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Clemens start delayed ...

Frayed Knot Jun 02 2007 05:41 PM

... maybe as long as a few weeks. Seems he strained a groin (his own I think) during his last minor league tune-up and has decided it's sore and needs some rest. He was sked to start on Monday in Chicgo against the WSox but that's out the window and it looks like Kei Igawa will be back up instead. They've been "remaking his motion" down in Tampa and Torre pretty much admits that that process isn't complete yet but they're running out of other options. In the meantime, I wasn't going to start a 'Yanx-Sawx IV' thread because I was getting sick of them and I figured that anything other than a Yanx sweep at this point wasn't really news. But they're playing their typical back-and-forth, good-and-sloppy, long-and-longer, ridiculous games. Friday's Yanqui win was marked by about a million walks by Boston (Wakefield) plus the beginnings of a bean-ball war and some more bad blood mixed in. Today's tilt is heading for hour 5 (1/2 hour rain delay mixed in) and they've still got two innings to go. The lead has changed hands at least 5 times; Both Schilling & Mussina were gone early; Jeter has a HR & a 2B but also 3 errors; Meintkiewicz had a couple hits but then was knocked out when run into at first; Proctor, who was in the middle of things Friday, completely fell apart as did the Yanx defense; Abreu was scared off by another wall; etc, etc, The game is so ugly I want to look away but it's like the car crash you just have to check out.

Zvon Jun 02 2007 05:47 PM

Skanks are snakebit. The curse had been reversed! (ever since the BoSox won it all....)

iramets Jun 02 2007 06:03 PM

I've been lovin' it. Can you imagine if they pay the guy 20+ mil to go on the DL all year? Would that be delicious or what?

Nymr83 Jun 02 2007 06:06 PM

i hope he doesnt throw a pitch for them all year.

Iubitul Jun 02 2007 06:11 PM

Is it me, or has Godzilla shrunk to the size of Barney?

Frayed Knot Jun 02 2007 06:11 PM

="iramets"]I've been lovin' it. Can you imagine if they pay the guy 20+ mil to go on the DL all year? Would that be delicious or what? Nice thought but he actually signed a minor league contract which doesn't turn into a major league one until he he's offically put on the big league club. So the delay in fact saves the Yanx money as the pro-rated portion of the $25mil figure (or whatever it was) goes down the later he makes his debut and would theoretically go towards zero if he never does. What you want is for him to make his start and then go all DL on his ass for the remainder of the season. btw, Later updates are sounding like the delay might only be one turn through the rotation, putting his debut at late next week instead of early.

Rockin' Doc Jun 02 2007 06:12 PM

Houston fans might be feeling a little better about Assheads choice of teams about now.

SteveJRogers Jun 02 2007 06:15 PM Re: Clemens start delayed ...

Frayed Knot wrote: In the meantime, I wasn't going to start a 'Yanx-Sawx IV' thread because I was getting sick of them and I figured that anything other than a Yanx sweep at this point wasn't really news. . Heh, in an update on 1050 ESPN Radio the update guy said "and of course the Sox are ahead by 12 and a half in the division." Granted it was local but still it implies that the Yankees are a 2nd place team! The good news is that these teams won't play again untill the last week of August.

Willets Point Jun 02 2007 08:19 PM

I watched parts of the Sox-Yanks game last night at a friends house and was just annoyed by how...freaking...loooooooong...those damn AL games go.

Johnny Dickshot Jun 02 2007 08:40 PM

Frayed Knot wrote: Later updates are sounding like the delay might only be one turn through the rotation, putting his debut at late next week instead of early. Of all the dramatic things I've seen... Mr. Barn Door! Meintkiewicz took a kill shot from Lowell there -- my neck hurt watching it. Don;t like to see guys in pain but I don't mind knowing thousands of MFY fans are smarting right now. That team is a disgrace (as is Curt Schilling, but hey).

Edgy DC Jun 02 2007 08:44 PM

Curse of the Bambernie.

MFS62 Jun 03 2007 08:41 AM

Back to Clemens. The reports say he has a "Tired Groin". Are they sure they're not talking about A-Rod? LAter

Elster88 Jun 03 2007 10:52 AM

True, a tired groin is a good thing.

Rockin' Doc Jun 03 2007 01:06 PM

Not if your groin is tired from hosing Steinbrenner.

iramets Jun 03 2007 03:09 PM

Sherman says the Yankees shd just bail... WHERE CLEMENS IS CONCERNED . . . By JOEL SHERMAN June 3, 2007 -- BOSTON - The Yankees have a chance now to reconsider the whole Roger Clemens experiment. They have a chance to do with the Rocket what they never could once they united with Carl Pavano: Get out of a misguided deal. Clemens has a minor-league pact, which according to GM Brian Cashman means either the pitcher or the team can exit the contract at any time with no dollars exchanging hands. "It's not something I'm thinking about right now," Cashman said. He should. In the matter of a few hours yesterday afternoon, Cashman should have seen the worst side of both the "family plan" that was given to Clemens and doing business with an increasingly fragile 44-year-old pitcher. Clemens called Cashman from Houston during the third inning of yesterday's Yankees-Red Sox game to inform the GM he has a "fatigued" groin and should not pitch tomorrow against the White Sox. So essentially you had a gigantic investment scheduled to make his 2007 major league debut in roughly 48 hours working out not under the Yankees' auspices in Tampa, but on his own. You had Clemens self-diagnosing his injury. You had the Yankees unsure exactly when Clemens threw or how much or if he threw off a mound. You had a hit-or-miss communication system in place of cell calls and e-mails to get updates. Clemens is signed, and yet still feels like a free agent. Both Cashman and Joe Torre claimed not to be offended, but what else can they say? Out of desperation this once-proud organization has thrown away principle. Now maybe they are also about to throw away more money. Three innings after talking to Clemens, Cashman watched Mike Mussina surrender a hard-fought 5-3 lead by yielding consecutive homers to Mike Lowell and Jason Varitek to open the sixth. Varitek's homer came on an 87 mph fastball, which is as hard as Mussina can seemingly muster now. He is trying to disguise the fact by cutting his fastball more, but his age cannot be hidden. He is 38 and his consistency has gone the way of that fastball. This is a familiar problem. The Yankees have a lot of famous, expensive veterans fading fast such as Mussina, Jason Giambi, Johnny Damon, Bobby Abreu and maybe Mariano Rivera, too. Is there any reason to believe Clemens will not be the same? He already is hurt without throwing a major-league pitch this season. He owns a long history of upper-leg problems. He was born in the same year, 1962, as Robinson Cano's father, Jose, who played briefly for the Astros in 1989. He will turn 45 in August. The Yanks do not have to guarantee the pro-rated portion of the $28 million pledged to Clemens until they place him on the 40-man roster, which will be delayed now until, we guess, Dr. Clemens informs the Yanks he is healthy enough to start. This is not about saving George Steinbrenner's money. This is about potentially saving the Yanks from mistaking Clemens' famous career with what can be truly expected of him now. Scouts who have seen Clemens talk about less of a fastball, less precision and less ability to move well off a mound. The adrenaline of major-league competition should improve matters. But how much? Enough to believe that Clemens is part of a solution or simply part of this age-old problem? "That is why when we talk about expectations, I talk about 5-6 innings," Torre said. "How many years have we been saying about him [that he is likely to fade], and then he goes out and carries his part of the load." Maybe Clemens will do that again. Maybe he will be much better then the other options and help the Yanks rectify this discouraging year. But this year is discouraging, in part, because after an 11-6 loss to Boston, Mussina has a 6.25 ERA and has allowed batters to hit .318 against him. The Yankees cannot get away from their age and their inconsistency. But there still is time to get away from adding more. There is still time to get away from Clemens. joel.sherman@nypost.com

DocTee Jun 03 2007 04:16 PM

Looks like Clemes will face the Bucs instead of the Pale Hose....prolly wanted to go against a AAAA team rather than a recent championship club.

Edgy DC Jun 03 2007 04:36 PM

Ah, Clemes. He was the best butler I ever had.

Farmer Ted Jun 03 2007 05:16 PM

As Clemens is concerned, I'd guess it's not so much a tired groin as it is vaginitis.

OlerudOwned Jun 03 2007 07:43 PM

DocTee wrote: Looks like Clemes will face the Bucs instead of the Pale Hose....prolly wanted to go against a AAAA team rather than a recent championship club. Recent championship club with a blockhead manager and a team OBP that clocks in at .306. I'd say the Pirates have the more intimidating lineup right now (though it's like comparing kittens to...uh...smaller, more adorable kittens).

cooby Jun 03 2007 08:05 PM

I think it would be a hundred and one pounds of fun if the Pirates had their game of the year.

Edgy DC Jun 03 2007 08:14 PM

Cashman is in such a spot, I can't imagine how he sleeps at night. He can pull the plug on this now and not spend a dime? Either option he takes, he's bound by Yankee myths that he presuambly has to uphold. Clemens is activated and it flies into the face of the "Yankees do things right" tune. Clemens isn't and it looks bad for the stupid "do what it takes to win" line. Obviously, it'll be easier to spin their way through the "Yankees do things right" game. Clemens will jerk them around and they'll pretend everything's jake and their calling the shots. So they'll likely go through with this foolishness. But that's a lot of money to save face. And Cashman, who should have resigned years ago, is in no more stable a postion either way.