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Willets Point Jun 06 2007 08:47 PM

What the hell is happening with the Mets?!?!?!

metirish Jun 06 2007 08:52 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 06 2007 08:56 PM

A shit offense right now,just not scoring enough runs.

Willets Point Jun 06 2007 08:53 PM

But the offense is supposed to be our strength. Again, I ask, what the hell is happening with this team?!?!

Johnny Dickshot Jun 06 2007 08:54 PM

The offense sucks.

Willets Point Jun 06 2007 08:59 PM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: The offense sucks. _________________ Billy Crystal sucks. Which one is sucking whom?

Rockin' Doc Jun 06 2007 09:05 PM

The return of the noffense. With all the injuries to the starters, the lineup simply lacks the depth that it had earlier in the year. When the offense was going well, the 6,7, 8, hitters were typically Alou, Green, and Valentin. That left Chavez and Easley to serve as pinch hitters. Now those same positions in the line up are often occupied by the likes of Gomez, Johnson, Newhan. Easley and Chavez are generally starting as well so the options for pinch hitters are vastly limited and far less imposing than earlier. The DL time for Alou should have been expected given his track record the past few seasons. But losing Green and Valentin were devastating to the depth of the line up.

DocTee Jun 06 2007 09:23 PM

Get used to it, since Alou's return has been pushed back (again): From nymets.com--- Alou delayed: After doctors drained fluid from the left leg of Moises Alou on Tuesday, the veteran outfielder said he expected to be ready to play in the Mets weekend series in Detroit. But Alou experienced pain in his strained left quadricep while testing it by doing some running exercises before the game. He then expressed doubts he will return as early as he had predicted. Alou was assigned to the disabled list May 17. "We've done everything that we think we should do to get it better," Alou said. "I ice it three or four times at home. I've even put my horse's ointment on it." So the guy who pees on his hands to keep them callous -free now uses equine ointment to regenerate his legs. Weird.

Valadius Jun 06 2007 09:33 PM

I knew Alou was a bad idea from the start. Did not want him.

Willets Point Jun 06 2007 09:33 PM

In other words this team is built too rely on old, fragile guys too keep the offense going. Good thing the rotation is nothing but hale, healthy young men so nothing like this could happent to the pitching. Oh wait....

Gwreck Jun 06 2007 09:36 PM

Yeah, we've got so much to worry about with the pitching. Oh, wait, not really.

Edgy DC Jun 06 2007 09:42 PM

This is easy. Our pitching has been excellent. Our replacements, young and old, have been, on the whole, very good.

TransMonk Jun 07 2007 11:31 AM

I'll be pretty upset if LoDuca isn't bumped up to the number 2 slot in the lineup immediately now that Endy's gone. I mean Reyes, Loduca, Beltran, Delgado and Wright were our 1-5 guys last year and they're all moderately healthy right now. Even if our 6-8 is some combination of Gomez, Gotay, Newhan, Valentin and Johnson it should be enough to score more runs than our pitching staff is allowing right now. And Green is back on Sunday. I think this team needs to play with a little more fire. Delgado should have scored from 3rd last night (or at least looked like he was running as hard as he could)...Gotay should have scored from 3rd last night. Little things like baserunning and situational hitting are certainly not killing the team but it's costing them some close games that they probably should be winning. I guess I'd like to see a little more urgency. The stats and standings say that this team is better than last year's...and if they were totally healthy it might be obvious, but last year's team seemed to click offensively a lot more than this year's. Losing 3 in a row is not a sign that it's time to panic, but ATL is still breathing down our necks and Philly is now right behind them and the schedule doesn't get any easier this month. I think it would be good for the team for them to feel a little regular season pressure for the first time in a year and a half. Willie's been talking about guys picking other guys up, so there's no time like now.

Willets Point Jun 07 2007 09:50 PM

Yes, it is definitely panic time.

Edgy DC Jun 08 2007 05:43 AM

LoDuca not bumped.

TransMonk Jun 08 2007 07:11 AM

I'm pretty upset.

sharpie Jun 08 2007 07:11 AM

To be fair, Johnson didn't kill us in the #2 hole last night.

Edgy DC Jun 08 2007 07:15 AM

Not particularly, but he wasn't the one I hoped to see up in the ninth with the winning run on second.

TransMonk Jun 08 2007 07:21 AM

True...but I'd rather have had LoDuca up with runners on in the bottom of the ninth. I understand that it's all a matter of chance at that point and that things earlier may have gone differently if LoDuca was batting #2. For me it's more a matter of principle...it seems like Willie's being stubborn about it. LoDuca may not be an ideal #2 hitter, but with the roster the way it is, he gives the team the most opportunities to score runs in that spot. He's not an ideal #6 hitter either.

Iubitul Jun 08 2007 07:30 AM

No time for panic - they will go 6-3 on this road trip

Edgy DC Jun 08 2007 07:38 AM

Ten Reasons Not to Panic: 1) Starting pitching has been money for a while. The last 14 games produced 13 quality starts and a 14th when the guy was relieved one out short. 6/7 Maine 7 innings and 2 earned runs 6/6 Hernandez 6 and 0 6/5 Glavine 7 and 2 6/3 Perez 7 and 3 6/2 Sosa 6.2 and 1 6/1 Maine 6 and 2 5/31 Hernandez 7 and 2 5/30 Glavine 7 and 3 5/29 Perez 7 and 3 5/27 Sosa 5.2 and 2 5/26 Maine 6 and 2 5/25 Hernandez 6 and 0 5/24 Glavine 6 and 2 5/23 Perez 7 and 0 2) We built up enough padding to survive a Phillie sweep. When we swept them near this time last year, it killed them. 3) Atlanta is hitting as bad as or worse than the Mets. 4) Nothing is automatc either way, but July's schedule is as milquetoastey as June's is beastly. Just got to get there. 6) Injuries are healing. Men are returning. 7) First place is still the best place to be, momentum be damned. 8) I remembered what eight was for. In addition to his generally fine work for the Mets, Jorge Sosa was 4-0, 1.13 in 32 innings with New Orleans. This is at least somewhat for real. 9) Pelfrey is also pitching well down there. 10) Wright probably maybe won't be in the homerun contest this year.

Centerfield Jun 08 2007 07:46 AM

It may not be panic time, but a loss like last night's is certainly pissed off to the point you're flinging unprovoked expletives throughout the morning time. Fucking Ben Johnson not being able to catch up to fatboy's 92 mph fastball in the 9th. Fucking Schoenweis. Fucking Wagner. Fucking Noffense.

TransMonk Jun 08 2007 07:51 AM

="Edgy DC"]Ten Reasons Not to Panic: 1) Starting pitching has been money for a while. The last 14 games produced 13 quality starts and a 14th when the guy was relieved one out short. 6/7 Maine 7 innings and 2 earned runs 6/6 Hernandez 6 and 0 6/5 Glavine 7 and 2 6/3 Perez 7 and 3 6/2 Sosa 6.2 and 1 6/1 Maine 6 and 2 5/31 Hernandez 7 and 2 5/30 Glavine 7 and 3 5/29 Perez 7 and 3 5/27 Sosa 5.2 and 2 5/26 Maine 6 and 2 5/25 Hernandez 6 and 0 5/24 Glavine 6 and 2 5/23 Perez 7 and 0 None of these are bare minimum quality starts either. They are very convincing starts. As upset as I am about the losing streak, the offense and the bullpen, I am equally impressed and excited about the starting pitching staff.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 08 2007 08:14 AM

Even in championship seasons, losing streaks happen. If the Mets turn it around relatively soon, this will just be a blip. If it's the start of one of those stretches where they lose about 18 of 21 or something hideous like that, then we could be doomed. (Some years it seemed like a stretch like that in August was a virtual certainty.) I'm not panicky yet. Only very mildly concerned. Still a long way to go. Let's see where we're at a month from now.

TheOldMole Jun 08 2007 08:38 AM

I'd like to see a healthy outfielder or two.

sharpie Jun 08 2007 08:42 AM

In the last week Reyes is getting on at .482 clip. Runs scored: 0.

Willets Point Jun 08 2007 09:19 AM

sharpie wrote: In the last week Reyes is getting on at .482 clip. Runs scored: 0. That's just not fair. On the other hand, how many times has he been caught stealing/picked off in that period. He seems to be having problems in that area lately, but that may just be anecdotal.

Johnny Dickshot Jun 08 2007 09:26 AM

His issue was a punchless Chavez and more recently, punchless Beltran, hitting behind him. Reyes himself seems to have avoided most of his opportunities for RBI recently.

Edgy DC Jun 08 2007 09:32 AM

Part of his OBP is him getting walked in ribbie situations. We need Captain Redass to make people pay.

Centerfield Jun 08 2007 10:53 AM

First we need Willie to put Captain RedAss into the lineup slot that would make people pay.

Edgy DC Jun 08 2007 11:00 AM

What I meant to imply.

Rockin' Doc Jun 08 2007 11:11 AM

"Remain calm. All is well!"

Willets Point Jun 08 2007 08:20 PM

I don't know what you people were all worried about. The Mets are just fine. Sosa kicked ass.

Edgy DC Jun 08 2007 08:38 PM

Edgy DC wrote: 1) Starting pitching has been money for a while. The last 14 games produced 13 quality starts and a 14th when the guy was relieved one out short. Yeah, I said that. Edgy DC wrote: 8) I remembered what eight was for. In addition to his generally fine work for the Mets, Jorge Sosa was 4-0, 1.13 in 32 innings with New Orleans. This is at least somewhat for real. Said that too.

Johnny Dickshot Jun 08 2007 08:41 PM

How is he doing it though? I can't help but feel like there's a room ahead with nothing but banana peels on the floor.

Frayed Knot Jun 08 2007 08:45 PM

Well, he's still young, has a good arm, and has had success in the bigs before (even if not lately) so it's not like he's totally out of the blue. In the meantime, just have him tip-toe past those banana peels until Pedro is ready.

Edgy DC Jun 08 2007 08:46 PM

Well, this isn't unprecedented, and 2005 wasn't that long ago. Maybe Sosa + Good Pitching Coach > Sosa + Roger McDowell.

SteveJRogers Jun 08 2007 09:05 PM

="Rockin' Doc"]"Remain calm. All is well!" Over? Did you say over?...

Johnny Dickshot Jun 08 2007 09:13 PM

Yeah but even in '05 I thought he was one of those guys who musta gotten lucky on BABiP since the K/IP was hardly remarkable except for the fact that it paired with 2-something ERA all year. His ratios weren't all that worse last year when he was killed. Now, I don't doubt I see what I see when I see him. It's just that, I gotta know... how?

Elster88 Jun 08 2007 09:22 PM

6/8 Sosa 8 innings and 0 earned runs 6/7 Maine 7 and 2 6/6 Hernandez 6 and 0 6/5 Glavine 7 and 2 6/3 Perez 7 and 3 6/2 Sosa 6.2 and 1 6/1 Maine 6 and 2 5/31 Hernandez 7 and 2 5/30 Glavine 7 and 3 5/29 Perez 7 and 3 5/27 Sosa 5.2 and 2 5/26 Maine 6 and 2 5/25 Hernandez 6 and 0 5/24 Glavine 6 and 2 5/23 Perez 7 and 0

Frayed Knot Jun 09 2007 08:13 AM

What Sosa did in his previous good year and is doing again now is keep the ball in the park. He served up 12 HRs over 134 IPs w/the Braves in '05, then they dumped him mid-way through '06 after he had given up 20 in just 87 IPs and he went on to give up another 10 in barely 30 IPs with the Cardinals. Maybe Rick's 1st commandment of [u:d429c1654e]Thou Shalt Keep the Ball Down[/u:d429c1654e] is paying off here. His K rates are about where they've always been (5-6 per 9 IPs) and his walk rates (3/9) are roughly the same as a year ago too (although better than in his early years). The hits/9 are way down and there may be an element of randomness to that that'll come back to bite him at some point - although the reduced HRs are certainly part of that.

cleonjones11 Jun 09 2007 05:46 PM

We need a full-time corner OF'er with power...Write off Alou and Shawnie and get someone

Willets Point Jun 14 2007 11:36 AM

I think we're past panic time and into rebuilding time. Seriously. Even if this team manages to go .500 or thereabouts and squeak in as a wild card I'd rather that Omar do something to build this team up as a consistent contender rather than the lighting in the bottle squad held together by duct tape we have now. I'd start by weeding out the older guys (Glavine, Hernandez, Easley, Franco, Valentin, Sele, LoDuca, Green and yes, maybe even Delgado). Maybe some of them can bring us prospects from AL contenders at the trade deadline. In their place bring up some of current top performers from AAA & AA and let them play out the season. They can't do any worse than the team is now.

Edgy DC Jun 14 2007 11:44 AM

That's cashing in the season, isn't it?

Willets Point Jun 14 2007 11:48 AM

Maybe, maybe not. It's taking a risk on building a contending team for several seasons with possible loss of contention this season (which may happen regardless).

metirish Jun 14 2007 11:48 AM

Willets,your taking the piss,right?,I think Omar has built a consistent contender,needs some tweaking now and then but it's OK.

Vic Sage Jun 14 2007 11:51 AM

]Willets,your taking the piss,right?, taking it where?

Edgy DC Jun 14 2007 12:18 PM

Willets Point wrote: They can't do any worse than the team is now. I think that's always dangerous thinking. New Orleans is a first place team and that's good, but comparing them to how the Mets are doing now in a snapshot isn't what we're trying to do, but rather figure out who will do better over the course of the season. And yes, beyond. The Mets are (still!) in first place, with a record every team in the National League besides San Diego covets. And they're a team with a foundation for long-term success. Two weeks of bad ball is two weeks of bad ball. Sooner or later, a team has to play the card they have instead of going back to the deck, and they're in a much better postiion to play them than most everybody els.e

Willets Point Jun 14 2007 12:42 PM

metirish wrote: Willets,your taking the piss,right?,I think Omar has built a consistent contender,needs some tweaking now and then but it's OK. "Pissed off" actually (which means "angry" in US lingo).

cleonjones11 Jun 14 2007 01:41 PM

To Carlos Beltran.. Please take the stick out of your ass and hustle You are a diva concerned mostly with your appearance and self-love..you will not accept advice from others And please..Remove the large MOLE from your cheek MOLY MOLY MOLY MOLY MOLY I'd actually like Sheffield to kick esse Carlos's moly butt

Edgy DC Jun 14 2007 02:17 PM

So, basically , as much as he's more concerned with his appearance than baseball, you're more concerned with his appearance than he is.

cleonjones11 Jun 14 2007 09:45 PM

Edgy..I think he's a clubhouse cancer and is grossly overrated...Do you think he gives his all most or all of the time..you may...I just dont..

Edgy DC Jun 14 2007 09:59 PM

I'll give my all most or all of the time. Will you?

Batty31 Jun 14 2007 10:23 PM

I've never warmed up to Beltran. He's always given me a Roberto Alomar type of vibe.

cleonjones11 Jun 14 2007 10:45 PM

Edgy DC wrote: I'll give my all most or all of the time. Will you? Sure..but a two person sample doesnt prove anything about Beltran..

HahnSolo Jun 15 2007 07:17 AM

Willets Point wrote: I think we're past panic time and into rebuilding time. Seriously. Even if this team manages to go .500 or thereabouts and squeak in as a wild card I'd rather that Omar do something to build this team up as a consistent contender rather than the lighting in the bottle squad held together by duct tape we have now. I'd start by weeding out the older guys (Glavine, Hernandez, Easley, Franco, Valentin, Sele, LoDuca, Green and yes, maybe even Delgado). Maybe some of them can bring us prospects from AL contenders at the trade deadline. In their place bring up some of current top performers from AAA & AA and let them play out the season. They can't do any worse than the team is now. Take it easy Willets. They're still in first place. I'm sure there was a Cardinal fan somewhere last year who was ready to blow up the roster mid-season. I'll point out that we already have one of our current top AAA players on the big league roster...his name is Ricky Ledee. I can't believe you really want what you say you want.

Edgy DC Jun 15 2007 08:37 AM

cleonjones11 wrote: Sure. That's all this forum needs.

Willets Point Aug 29 2007 08:49 PM

This team just plain sucks.

seawolf17 Aug 30 2007 06:32 AM

Will you people stop? We have the best record in the National League. Until there's a digit in the "GB" column next to "New York," everybody cool out.

Willets Point Aug 30 2007 07:35 AM

Well let me just say that being swept by the Phillies going into Atlanta does not fill me with cahn-fidence that the Mets will be in first place much longer.

metsmarathon Aug 30 2007 07:45 AM

everytime i start to panic, i put on my footie pajamas in blue and orange, and it all feels better.

soupcan Aug 30 2007 08:14 AM

My pj's are soft too. I'm not ready to jump out a window yet anyway. Last night that game would've been tied and we would have had a 50/50 chance to win it. Night before was the first time in something like a season and a half that they lost a game they were leading by 2 runs going into the 8th right? And if not for Castillo misplaying that throw and the swinging bunt off Rowand's bat we prolly woulda won that one. Aberration. Both teams have been in position to win the last two games, the Phightin' Phils just got the breaks. If the Metsies got the breaks and won the last two nobody would be panicking. They've played well enough to win. Sure the 'O' has gone dry but it'll be back. Look at the good stuff - Glavine & Perez pitched great, Delgado popped one and had a couple of hits, Wright's Wright, Marlon's a force off the bench, LoDuca's back, etc., etc. Lotsa reasons to stay positive. They'll pull it out today and everything will be as it should.

Johnny Dickshot Aug 30 2007 08:22 AM

]They've played well enough to win. That's the part I don't buy. Last night's game didn't come down to just a bad decision on the basepaths, it was a result of home runs on 0-2 couts, walking the pitcher, and getting picked off first base twice. On Tuesday, the swinging bunt was bad luck but the stolen base play was just sloppy shit. bad throw, bad receiving of that throw and bad backing up of the play. Not to mention a completely worthless effort from the offense. We didn't play well enough to win that game, not even close. Monday? Didn't even try. Looked a lot like a continuation of Sunday.

metirish Aug 30 2007 08:26 AM

Willie was rightly very critical of Perez walking Moyer,just can't be doing that,

soupcan Aug 30 2007 08:42 AM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: ]They've played well enough to win. That's the part I don't buy. Last night's game didn't come down to just a bad decision on the basepaths, it was a result of home runs on 0-2 couts, walking the pitcher, and getting picked off first base twice. On Tuesday, the swinging bunt was bad luck but the stolen base play was just sloppy shit. bad throw, bad receiving of that throw and bad backing up of the play. Not to mention a completely worthless effort from the offense. We didn't play well enough to win that game, not even close. Monday? Didn't even try. Looked a lot like a continuation of Sunday. I don't mean to excuse the losses. They've played well enough to win AND played well enough to lose. But so have the Phillies. The difference in the last two games were the Castiilo error/swinging bunt and last night's intereference call. Yes, they should have socked away both those games earlier so it wouldn't come down to those incidents. But the Phillies were walking the tightrope as well. They're not blowing us out of the park (save for Monday). My point I guess is that if they'd played the exact same way they did the last two games and Castillo doesn't make the error and Rowan's ball doesn't go fair, maybe they win 2-1. If Marlon doesn't get overzealous and they win by scores of 4-3, then no one here is pulling their hair out because they didn't win convincingly enough. On the flip side they are not losing convincingly.

Johnny Dickshot Aug 30 2007 09:00 AM

]They've played well enough to win AND played well enough to lose. I don't like those odds.

soupcan Aug 30 2007 09:06 AM

Hey man, I'd love for them to be thumping teams to death too but in the big picture they've been really good in close games this year. Sometimes the ball bounces the wrong way. How about this - Howard, Burrell, Rollins and Utley are having a good series, Reyes, Castillo, Alou and Delgado are not, and the Phillies have still had to scratch it out the last two nights.

Willets Point Aug 30 2007 11:29 AM

Fuck this team. It's a good thing I have plans for October already.

Elster88 Aug 30 2007 12:24 PM

Cool see ya next season.