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Elster88 Jul 15 2007 09:32 AM |
AMERICAN FILM INSTITUTE'S GREATEST MOVIES
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Benjamin Grimm Jul 15 2007 09:37 AM |
Some I'm not sure of, but by my count I've seen 60 of the 100.
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MFS62 Jul 15 2007 09:45 AM |
67. (Plus clips of many of the others)
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Edgy MD Jul 15 2007 09:49 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 15 2007 11:00 AM |
These lists seem to be about throwing bones to different constituencies.
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Benjamin Grimm Jul 15 2007 10:09 AM |
Don't these kinds of lists come out more often than they ought to?
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sharpie Jul 16 2007 08:39 AM |
95 with 2 more that I've seen at least some of but can't vouch for seeing in their entirety. Raiders of the Lost Ark, Swing Time and Sunrise the only three that I haven't seen. The Searchers and In the Heat of the Night I'm not positive I've seen all of.
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metirish Jul 16 2007 10:52 AM |
Glengarry Glen Ross is a superior movie to a dozen or more movies on the list.
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Vic Sage Jul 16 2007 12:17 PM Re: 100 |
Lets see which of my own idiosyncratic list of "Top 100 faves" (not intended to be the "100 best") made the AFI list (films on the AFI list are noted with "*"):
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Vic Sage Jul 16 2007 12:32 PM Re: 100 |
If you were going to make a list of "100 best", you'd have to consider foreign films too (which they don't seem to have done). But even if you were to just limit it to Hollywood (or at least English language) films, you probably shouldn't be considering any films made within the last 20 years, since not enough time has passed to determine the film's long term values. For instance, if you look back at some of the past AFI lists, you'll see a number of "flavor of the month" movies that no longer get serious consideration in this discussion. It devalues such an exercise if you include those types of films.
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seawolf17 Jul 16 2007 01:32 PM Re: 100 |
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"Baseketball." I've seen 20 of the top 100. (Obviously, my taste in movies tends to stray from the "classics.")
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Centerfield Jul 16 2007 02:04 PM |
I'm seeing a bit of a bias against comedies.
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Benjamin Grimm Jul 16 2007 02:20 PM |
Which comedies would you add? Looking through the list quickly, I spotted 12 comedies:
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Centerfield Jul 16 2007 02:34 PM |
Off the top of my head, Animal House, Airplane, Princess Bride. Maybe Caddyshack. I'd take any of these over a number of movies on that list.
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Willets Point Jul 16 2007 02:40 PM Re: 100 |
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Dude! Dude? Duuuuuuuuuude....
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Nymr83 Jul 16 2007 03:19 PM |
i'd complain that the top of the list has too much of an bias towards old movies, not that there are too many newer ones.
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Nymr83 Jul 16 2007 03:37 PM |
Glory, Terminator, and at least 1 Bond film (Goldfinger would probably be the one) likely belong on the list too.
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Rockin' Doc Jul 16 2007 03:59 PM |
I have seen 24 of the AFI Top 100 movies. I have seen 25 of the films on Vic's list.
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Vic Sage Jul 18 2007 12:49 PM |
i've seen 95 of the AFI 100.
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Frayed Knot Jul 18 2007 02:28 PM |
Around 75 to 80.
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Benjamin Grimm Jul 18 2007 02:36 PM |
Vic, which are the five you haven't seen?
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Elster88 Jul 18 2007 07:40 PM |
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I got this from Ebert's website. I think he said it's an annual thing.
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Frayed Knot Jul 18 2007 08:01 PM |
The original AFI Top-100 list was from around '98 or so.
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Elster88 Jul 18 2007 08:02 PM |
AFI 100: 'Kane' still number one
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Vic Sage Jul 19 2007 09:06 AM |
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1 - Intolerance - After BIRTH OF A NATION, i'd had enough Griffith, thanks. 2 - Sunrise - a silent classic by murnau, i'll probably get around to it at some point. 3 - Swing Time - for some reason, i've never seen this Astaire musical... probably the only Astaire musical i haven't seen. 4 - Nashville - supposed to be one of Altman's better ones, but from bits and pieces i've seen of it over the years, I have no interest. 5 - Last Picture Show - you'd think a naked young cybil shephard would hold some allure for me, wouldn't you? But no so far.
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sharpie Jul 19 2007 11:09 AM |
I realized later that I hadn't seen "Intolerance" (transposed it with "Birth of a Nation". which I have seen). Of the six I haven't seen, 3 of them are among the 5 that Vic hasn't seen. "Last Picture Show" is worth seeing, Vic.
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Vic Sage Jul 19 2007 12:35 PM |
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yes, no "Fargo". Actually, "Fargo" was one of the movies i was specifically thinking of in my earlier post, when i was discussing movies that were "flavors of the month" and were too new to judge critically, and so didn't belong on the list. Its no surprise to me at all that, upon later reflection, the judges reconsidered that one. As they may well do with "forrest gump", "shawshank redemption" and "titanic" amongst others, at some point down the road. Which is why i think any movies within that last 20 years should just be disqualified from consideration, until they've stood the test of time.
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Nymr83 Jul 19 2007 12:48 PM |
anyone who "reconsiders" Shawshank Redemption is an idiot.
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Vic Sage Jul 20 2007 08:49 AM |
anyone who rules out reconsideration of anything is an idiot.
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metirish Jul 20 2007 09:44 AM |
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Can you explain that further ,why would a judge/critic or whoever it is that helps compile such lists think that a movie they thought was "classic" in 1995 upon further review didn't think of it as classic say in 2007. What would be so different about the movie 10 or 20 years later that would make that person think differently about it. You mentioned Fargo,I watched it a few years ago and thought it was annoying,thought it was great when it first came out.
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Edgy MD Jul 20 2007 10:21 AM |
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I agree that making decisions reconsideration-proof is wrong. But that's also why I think the Baseball Hall of Fame did the right thing by expanding the Veteran's Committee to all the living members (making them a much tougher body to generate consensus among), rather than eliminating it and refusing to reconsider players passed on by the BBWAA.
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Vic Sage Jul 20 2007 10:57 AM |
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In his day, Salieri was one of the most successful and celebrated composers. Mozart was a brilliant piano player who wrote these very strange shows. I think if you asked the same critics of that period to make an assessment later, they might have had the distance to render more objective opinions about their relative qualities. First of all, some films are of their time, some are ahead of their times, expressing a vision that the society is not yet ready for. Critics and judges are people, not machines. They are swayed by various subjective forces at play in the culture at the time a movie comes out. Their assessments may have been appropriate in the context of a film's particular time period, but in another era, the movie may not hold up. I think "Fargo" is one of those movies. I think there are movies on the list now that may fall into that category as well. And i think there are movies that later come to seem precient, though perhaps unappreciated in their own time. If you had made this list in the mid 1980s, it is unlikely that BLADERUNNER would have appeared on it. But inasmuch as the first list came out 16 years after the movie's first release, it had enough time for people to see it on video/dvd and a reassessment emerged, recognizing not just its own greatness, but its influence on filmmaking thereafter. Thats why a moratorium should be imposed on films within the last 15-20 years when creating such lists. Perhaps FORREST GUMP or TOY STORY wouldn't push its way onto such a list in 10 years time, and perhaps MOULIN ROUGE would.
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Benjamin Grimm Jul 20 2007 11:16 AM |
I agree with that.
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Edgy MD Jul 20 2007 11:22 AM |
Citizen Kane and It's A Wonderful Life both opened to mixed reviews and weak box office. It took a lot of reconsideration to ensure their places on this list.
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Benjamin Grimm Jul 20 2007 11:30 AM |
The Gettysburg Address was considered a dud right after Lincoln delivered it.
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metirish Jul 20 2007 11:38 AM |
Thanks Vic for taking to time to answer ,I'm viewing movies in a different way of course,for entertainment and not looking at what impact a Bladerunner would have on the movie making industry and I suppose the likes of Pixar today.
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Nymr83 Jul 20 2007 11:58 AM |
i don't really care what impact a movie had on future movies, i care what impact it had on me, the viewer, when i saw it.
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Edgy MD Jul 20 2007 12:04 PM |
How about if had a different impact on your sister? And then you saw it three years later, and the impact on you was more profound in a different way?
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Edgy MD Jul 23 2007 05:01 PM |
It seems they have the typical problem of whether to think of serials as multiple films or one. Godfather Part II is an exception.
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Willets Point Jul 23 2007 05:57 PM |
I don't agree with the moratorium simply because the list itself is a product of its time in of itself and there will be new lists that reconsider things down the road. I like that a list from 2007 will include and exclude things that future generations will scratch their heads about.
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MFS62 Jul 23 2007 10:03 PM |
There are several silent movies on the list.
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Edgy MD Jul 23 2007 10:16 PM |
It's the American Film Institute.
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MFS62 Jul 24 2007 06:14 AM |
Oh,
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sharpie Jul 24 2007 08:43 AM |
How did British films like Lawrence of Arabia and Bridge On the River Kwai make it on there? Maybe they were American-financed.
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Edgy MD Jul 24 2007 09:25 AM |
Wikipedia says about Kwai: The film was an international co-production between companies in the UK and the USA. It is set in Burma, but was filmed mostly near Kitulgala, Ceylon (now Sri Lanka), with a few scenes shot in England.
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Vic Sage Jul 25 2007 09:00 AM |
I thought Murnau's SUNRISE was German, but it turns out it was a Fox studio production.
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