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5 Biggest Impact Rookies
| TheOldMole Jul 18 2007 02:54 AM |
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Here's my list.
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| Edgy DC Jul 18 2007 05:49 AM |
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It seems like you're talking cultural impact as well as team impact.
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| metirish Jul 18 2007 07:26 AM |
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I'll go with ..
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| Nymr83 Jul 18 2007 07:49 AM |
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Pujols.
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| iramets Jul 18 2007 08:56 AM |
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Little biased towards the contemporary and the Metly, aren't we?
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| metirish Jul 18 2007 09:20 AM |
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And you're biasd towards your generation :),I'm not sure what the purpose of this is anyway,hard to be wrong with whoever you pick.
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| Edgy DC Jul 18 2007 09:51 AM |
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Holy shit! Ira saw Dizzy Dean's rookie year!?
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| iramets Jul 18 2007 11:26 AM |
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Surprised the hell out of me, too. The 1930s went by like a blur. I was so busy, what with working for the WPA, catching the first few Joe Louis fights, and protesting FDR packing the Supreme Court, I didn't follow baseball all that closely.
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| Benjamin Grimm Jul 18 2007 11:58 AM |
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That's what I was thinking too.
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| Johnny Dickshot Jul 18 2007 12:12 PM |
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Nomo has to be on the list -- ended a 30-year "cold war" between MLB and NPB and cracked open the global baseball world. He & Ichiro ought to be considered real pioneers.
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| metsguyinmichigan Jul 18 2007 01:56 PM Re: 5 Biggest Impact Rookies |
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I'll happily give him the ROY, but that's Tom Seaver's fourth Cy Young Fernando has hanging on his wall. I'd happily argue that Seaver was cheated out of at least two Cy Young Awards.
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| Benjamin Grimm Jul 18 2007 02:10 PM |
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Certainly he was in 1971.
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| Edgy DC Jul 18 2007 02:18 PM |
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I'll happily argue that the Fernandomania of the first half of 1981 was still clouding minds at the end of the second season. That's not only Seaver's Cy Young on his mantle (care for justice's sake, if not for Metly sake), it's also Tim Raines' Rookie of the Year.
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| G-Fafif Jul 18 2007 04:00 PM |
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Tim Raines had the rookie season I had hoped to see from Mookie Wilson.
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| Edgy DC Jul 18 2007 08:02 PM |
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Rodney McRae, now there's an impact rookie.
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| G-Fafif Jul 18 2007 09:24 PM |
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Rookie of the Year voting is not necessarily an indicator of things to come. Not that it's supposed to be anything but an indicator of who was the top rookie in a given year, but it's interesting to see who beat who when and how much you would have lost investing in futures if you based your bets purely on the voting.
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| DocTee Jul 18 2007 10:17 PM |
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Boy, how embarassing for me. My list was:
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| TheOldMole Jul 19 2007 10:16 AM |
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Re the question about what the purpose of this is -- I thought it would be fun. You know...talking baseball? |
| metirish Jul 19 2007 10:22 AM |
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| TheOldMole Jul 19 2007 07:44 PM |
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On ROY's to not the best player -- how about Gil McDougald over Mickey Mantle?
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| cleonjones11 Jul 19 2007 07:48 PM |
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Joe Charbonneau...Don Bosch...Sal Bando...Stan Bahnsen...Mike Vail
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| SteveJRogers Jul 19 2007 08:27 PM |
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Captain of the Swinging A's, very soild big league careers, why are you lumping him with these other One Hit Wonders (Or in Bosch's case a never was)? Ditto with The Bahnsen Burner whose career lasted into the early 80s as well. I mean a very pedestrian career, but comparing him and Bando to Charbonneau? Bosch?
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| DocTee Jul 19 2007 08:29 PM |
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But at least Charbonneau had a record made about him.
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| SteveJRogers Jul 19 2007 08:41 PM |
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To further illustrate: Jackie Robinson, Willie Mays, Frank Robinson, Luis Aparicio, Orlando Cepeda, Willie McCovey, Billy Williams, Tom Seaver, Rod Carew, Johnny Bench, Carlton Fisk, Eddie Murray, Cal Ripken. 13 out of 110 winners are currently (or in Ripken's case about to be) inshrineed into Cooperstown. Granted the rest does include guys who are on the outside looking in and could be through various means ala Pete Rose, Thurman Munson, Dick Allen, and Mark McGwire and of course guys who now have "If They Retired Today They Are Getting In" labels like Mike Piazza, and Derek Jeter and you can throw the recently retired Jeff Bagwell into that category. To say nothing on the fact that many of those ROYs actually did have or are currently having some fine big league careers, but the current 12 percent of winners being actual, real future HOFers is quite telling.
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| DocTee Jul 19 2007 09:47 PM |
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Steve et al:
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| Nymr83 Jul 19 2007 09:50 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jul 19 2007 10:29 PM |
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thats an interesting question... i'll get to work on that and edit this post when i have answers. -MVP- (since 1911 there have been winners, baseball reference lists no NL winner for 1923, 1924 and no AL winner for 1929, there was a tie in the NL in 1979 giving us 188 winners total) -CY YOUNG- (has existed since 1956, split into 2 awards in 1967, 1969 AL was a tie giving us 90 winners total) -ROY- (has existed since 1947, two awards since 1949, 2 ties gives us 118 total winners) edit- still working edit2- yeah i doubt this is getting done tonight or that anyone cares enough for me to finish it. suffice to say winning hte Rolaids relief award has meant nothing in making the HOF so far, winning the MVP has given you a better chance than winning the CY Young, and both those awards have higher chances than a mere ROY.
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| Frayed Knot Jul 19 2007 09:55 PM |
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Tough categories to compare since multiple winners of CY or MVP are, almost by definition, likely to be HoF material -- but you can only be ROY once.
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| DocTee Jul 19 2007 09:57 PM |
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True indeed-- perhaps single winners only?? and NYMR I didn't mean to throw more work at you or anyone--just thinking out loud. Would be curious, though.
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| Nymr83 Jul 19 2007 10:01 PM |
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its fine, i need shit to do during the game anyway, i'm working now and will edit the post above later, but it looks like alot to do so it might be tommorow i can tell you so far that the last ROYs inducted in the NL were Tom Seaver (1967 ROY) and Johnny Bench (1968). though Bagwell, Piazza, and perhaps Pujols will be too. in the AL it's 1982's Ripken, and i don't think anyone was a rookie more recently than that would be eligible yet anyway unless they had a brief career.
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