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Tell The Mets It's Never Too Late
G-Fafif Jul 21 2007 11:00 PM |
...to retire a deserving number, that is.
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DocTee Jul 21 2007 11:14 PM |
Now maybe they'll retire Kiner's, too.
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Gwreck Jul 21 2007 11:34 PM |
It's already retired in Pittsburgh.
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SteveJRogers Jul 22 2007 05:28 AM |
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[url=http://faithandfear.blogharbor.com/blog/_archives/2007/5/18/2959967.html]Greg is thinking 24 for Willie Mays,[/url] Something inneresting though from the Beaver County Times article
Hmmmm. More popular than any of the HOF members of the championship squads of 60, 71 and 79? Oh yeah I know "Donnie No Rings" is very popular here in NYC and gets the loudest ovations at Old Timers Day but thats generally in part because Mattingly has been retired for only 10 seasons and the majority of the other more popular MFY are either dead, their fanbases for whatever reason are not in the ballpark for OTD any more, and certain players since 1996 are yet to show up to Old Timers Day.
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DocTee Jul 22 2007 08:21 AM |
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I stand corrected. Was thinking of Marty Noble's crusade to have a more appropriate statue of RK at PNC, as is done for some of the other Pirate greats--seems all they have is a figure of his hands beneath a stairweel in LF.
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G-Fafif Jul 22 2007 06:43 PM |
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Keith mostly. Now that David Newhan has gone down bayou way, I'm hoping 17 can be shaken free from the clutches of mediocrity. Paul Waner, 55 years. What the heck were they waiting for? I saw Lloyd Waner take a swing at age 70 in an Old Timers game at Shea in 1976. Seventy was a lot more doddering back then (or I was 31 years younger).
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G-Fafif Jul 22 2007 06:47 PM |
Bite it, Pittsburgh. Ralph's ours.
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iramets Jul 22 2007 06:56 PM Re: Tell The Mets It's Never Too Late |
Here's a counter-argument: You don't retire numbers just cause it would be sweet to do so. You need players who
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Iubitul Jul 22 2007 07:24 PM |
I have to agree with all of ira's points, except for the very last one. I don't think Greg is just puffing up Keith for a retired number.
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Frayed Knot Jul 22 2007 07:44 PM |
I've been espousing the "counter" arguments for years across these and other airwaves.
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SteveJRogers Jul 22 2007 07:56 PM |
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Careful there BretSalaDocRa, Greg does have a soft spot for Keith and his Metness
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metsfanbook Jul 22 2007 09:08 PM |
Of the names mentioned, I'd only support retiring Piazza's 31. Mays was one of the greatest players of all time, but he came to the Mets long past his prime and he only really had symbolic value on the team. I think a player whose number is retired has to have a major influence on the team's history and fortunes. And the influence can't just be sentimental (as it was with Kranepool or Wilson). I'd support Hernandez only if Koosman, McGraw, Carter, and Strawberry were also retired. I think that those are the only Mets to have had a comparable impact. Obviously, where you draw the line is pretty arbitrary. But I'd draw the line either to include only Seaver and Piazza, or to include these two plus the other four I've mentioned.
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Edgy DC Jul 22 2007 09:12 PM |
The argument for retirement of Mays' number is the argument that the Mets are carrying forward the New York Giants' legacy (or, at least, his legacy with the New York Giants) more than the San Franciscos are.
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Johnny Dickshot Jul 22 2007 09:25 PM |
I think the Mets could end the whole limbo thing by retiring No. 24 for Joan Payson, but I don't think the current ownership cares about the former ownership, and I don't know if there's any Paysons or DeRoulets around anymore who give a shit.
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Frayed Knot Jul 22 2007 09:26 PM |
The other thing is, I like it when a new player carries on the tradition started by an earlier player
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Gwreck Jul 22 2007 09:27 PM |
The curious thing is that #17 has been handed out liberally but #8 is in semi-retirement now that Carter has reached the HOF.
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SteveJRogers Jul 22 2007 09:35 PM |
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Nettles wasn't, it was only retired for Maris and Winfield's 31 has not been retired. Howard at least was a "pioneer" for the Yanks and a longtime employee as a coach for the Yanks who died suddenly. Martin, Reggie and Maris were probably all done in a way to keep them "in the Yankee family" Hey JD, where is that column you wrote on the Yanks retiring Guidry's number? Its because of the bloating that Yankee fans have come to want Paul O'Neil's number to be retired as well.
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Frayed Knot Jul 22 2007 09:40 PM |
That's right, they were going to do Winfield but changed their minds after he "dis-honored" them
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Edgy DC Jul 22 2007 09:51 PM |
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I think part of that is his former teammates requesting the number to honor him.
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SteveJRogers Jul 22 2007 09:52 PM |
I think Rizzuto's number was also retired simply because Steinbrenner wanted to do what Cooperstown was not doing.
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Edgy DC Jul 22 2007 09:56 PM |
God?
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Johnny Dickshot Jul 22 2007 10:04 PM |
Don't interrupt him.
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Benjamin Grimm Jul 23 2007 07:16 AM |
Retired numbers is one of the few things the Mets have done right.
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DocTee Jul 23 2007 07:30 AM |
I'm with Yancy.
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Edgy DC Jul 23 2007 07:30 AM |
There's a Jon Franco factor in two of these decisions.
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soupcan Jul 23 2007 07:34 AM |
I like how the Red Sox do it.
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HahnSolo Jul 23 2007 08:44 AM |
I don't believe we should be retiring 17 or 8 (and certainly not 24), but having the #37 up on the wall, in my opinion, opens the door to discussion.
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Edgy DC Jul 23 2007 09:16 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 23 2007 09:33 AM |
The culture of the early Mets. He helped define the team and its relationship to the city. It's hard to appreciate now because the culture has evolved and incorporated many other things, and because we assume the team would have developed some relationship of one sort or another.
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Benjamin Grimm Jul 23 2007 09:24 AM |
Well said.
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SteveJRogers Jul 23 2007 05:31 PM |
For comparison sake, lets look at other retired unis
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Nymr83 Jul 23 2007 05:47 PM |
you forgot the skankees i think
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SteveJRogers Jul 23 2007 05:51 PM |
They are already discussed in this thread, as well as our 3.
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Frayed Knot Aug 04 2007 01:08 PM |
One more from the 'Overdoing it' file:
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Edgy DC Aug 04 2007 01:45 PM |
Are they still failing to sell like the 'Clones?
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SteveJRogers Aug 26 2007 03:31 PM |
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Heh, to be fair (and I'd have to check the records) it might just be honoring those who eventually made it to the bigs. The other two are Ching-Meng Wang and ex-Met Jason Anderson
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G-Fafif Aug 27 2007 12:46 AM |
I noticed Eddie Kunz pitching for the Cyclones the other night wearing No. 37 (though he's listed as 46 on their roster). I thought if it's retired by the big club it's retired by the little clubs.
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G-Fafif Aug 27 2007 12:48 AM |
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That Craig Biggio, he's the defiant one all right.
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Elster88 Aug 27 2007 04:18 AM |
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#15 is an intriguing possibility.
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