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Teixeira to Braves?

Frayed Knot Jul 25 2007 11:28 AM

From the Braves website: one Major League scout confirmed the Braves and Rangers are still discussing a trade that would be headlined with Teixeira and almost definitely include Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Atlanta's 22-year-old switch-hitting catcher who stands as one of the most attractive prospects on the trade market. Another National League scout said the Braves might be discussing also including a young pitching prospect (possibly Jo-Jo Reyes) and Elvis Andrus, the 18-year-old phenom shortstop who is currently experiencing the struggles of the maturation process with Class A Myrtle Beach. While Andrus has been promoted as one of the game's next great shortstops, the scout said, "[Braves general manager] John Schuerholz will deal a kid like that if the deal is right."

Johnny Dickshot Jul 25 2007 11:32 AM

If we could be certain of a subsequent re-signing, I wouldn't mind putting together a comparable offer.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 25 2007 11:39 AM

What might a comparable offer be? I'm not aware of the Mets having coveted young infielders and catchers, so we couldn't match position-by-position. (I don't know if Texas would be interested in Andrus and Saltalamacchia because they want to fill certain positions, or because they're looking for the best available young players.) If it's the latter, would Humber, Gomez, and F. Martinez be comparable? Or could Carp be substituted for one of the two young outfielders?

Nymr83 Jul 25 2007 11:55 AM

Aren't there still several years left on Delgado's contract? Where would Texiera play? or are you also assuming we'd be able to move Delgado without essentially paying him AND Texeira?

Benjamin Grimm Jul 25 2007 11:57 AM

I think there's one year left for Delgado, but I'm not sure of that.

Johnny Dickshot Jul 25 2007 12:04 PM

I'd turn over Delgado for Tiexera tomorrow if possible. Not as if CD's getting better.

OlerudOwned Jul 25 2007 12:13 PM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: I'd turn over Delgado for Tiexera tomorrow if possible. Not as if CD's getting better. I agree, but that's a pipe dream and a half right now. We'd have to cover Delgado's contract, put together a package that includes a high ceiling, ML-ready player like Saltalamacchia, and work out an extension with Teixeira.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 25 2007 12:19 PM

I doubt that "working out an extension" would be part of the deal. Fans always want that, but it's rarely part of the package. Most of the time the receiving team has to gamble that they'll either be able to resign the guy, or that he contributes enough during his short stay to make the trade worthwhile.

OlerudOwned Jul 25 2007 12:26 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: I doubt that "working out an extension" would be part of the deal. Fans always want that, but it's rarely part of the package. Most of the time the receiving team has to gamble that they'll either be able to resign the guy, or that he contributes enough during his short stay to make the trade worthwhile. Not as part of the deal, just something that I'd assume the Mets would do seeing as they've hypothetically traded away an upper-tier prospect and would have no other options at first.

Gwreck Jul 25 2007 12:45 PM

As per Cot's Contracts (http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/) Delgado is under contract for '08 with an option for '09 that vests depending on a "point system." He needs 30 points in 05-08 for the option to vest. 10 pts for League MVP, 9 for 2nd, 8 for 3rd, etc. 20 points for WS MVP, 10 for LCS MVP. Delgado currently has 5 of the 30 necessary points, from the 2005 MVP vote. If the option doesn't vest, there is still a $12 million mutual option or a $4 million buyout.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 25 2007 12:48 PM

If the contract specified 30 Schaefer points he'd already be vested. Maybe his agent will learn a lesson from this.

Centerfield Jul 25 2007 12:49 PM Re: Teixeira to Braves?

Frayed Knot wrote: Elvis Andrus, the 18-year-old phenom shortstop who is currently experiencing the struggles of the maturation process with Class A Myrtle Beach. It's like the Braves have cornered the market on mis-spelled Andrews.

Nymr83 Jul 25 2007 01:16 PM

="Yancy Street Gang"]If the contract specified 30 Schaefer points he'd already be vested. Maybe his agent will learn a lesson from this. how to register multiple names with the CPF and stuff our ballot boxes?

Frayed Knot Jul 27 2007 08:50 PM

If Brave LHP Jo-Jo Reyes is part of this deal (some sources say yes, others say no) then he might be making Texas change its mind; He's getting pounded by Arizona to the tune of 7-0 in the 4th.

OlerudOwned Jul 30 2007 09:56 AM

Supposedly, it's a done deal. I don't have any links of substance though, at least not yet.

OlerudOwned Jul 30 2007 10:10 AM

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7074846 And now I do. ]The Braves are on the verge of acquiring Rangers first baseman Mark Teixeira. The deal is done, pending a review of the medical records of the players involved, according to major-league sources. The Braves will receive Teixeira and left-handed reliever Ron Mahay. The Rangers will receive catcher Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Class A shortstop Elvis Andrus and two pitching prospects. One of the prospects is believed to be Class AA left-hander Matt Harrison. Time to sweat?

Willets Point Jul 30 2007 10:23 AM

OlerudOwned wrote: Time to sweat? Shit or get off the pot time for Omar.

Nymr83 Jul 30 2007 11:00 AM

this is very bad.

Rockin' Doc Jul 30 2007 11:09 AM

There goes Franco's playing time. Now Franco will soon be able to gripe about his lack of playing time in Atlanta.

Centerfield Jul 30 2007 11:13 AM

What nymr said. Very very bad.

metirish Jul 30 2007 11:13 AM

Scary ] Teixeira, a 27-year-old switch-hitting slugger, has won two Gold Gloves at first base. He is batting .297 this season with 13 home runs and 49 RBIs. Since breaking into the majors with Texas in 2003, Teixeira has had seasons of 26, 38, 43 and 33 home runs. Only Ralph Kiner, Albert Pujols and Eddie Mathews hit more than the 140 homers that Teixeira had in his first four major league seasons. He had at least 33 homers and 110 RBIs in each of the past three.

seawolf17 Jul 30 2007 11:50 AM

What, a third-place team picked up a big bopper? No worries.

metirish Jul 30 2007 11:59 AM

The Braves have not had a 1st baseman like this in years,have they?

Nymr83 Jul 30 2007 12:02 PM

metirish wrote: The Braves have not had a 1st baseman like this in years,have they? Galaragga wasn't there very long, they did have Fred McGriff in the mid-90's.

OlerudOwned Jul 30 2007 12:09 PM

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/07/garland-for-ren.html Old rumor, but still something to be considered. It would absolutely make my day. After taking two steps forward on offense with Teixeira, it'd be a big step back dealing Renteria for a powerfully mediocre starter.

metsmarathon Jul 30 2007 12:17 PM

i keep on forgetting that teixeira is signed for next year as well... i agree. bad, very bad. i'm more concerned about it for next year than this one, tho. the braves still need more pitching, and their 3 4 & 5 starters are chuck james, buddy carlyle and jo-jo reyes, with the "venerable" bob wickman coming in for the 9th inning, and apparently smoltzy might be coming down with a sore shoulder to boot. now, the mets do still need to make a move here, of course, but this is not the end of the world/season.

OlerudOwned Jul 30 2007 01:06 PM

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7074020 ]In addition to reaching a preliminary agreement for Rangers first baseman Mark Teixeira, the Braves are close to a deal for Royals closer Octavio Dotel, according to major-league sources. Braves are gutting their farm system for a playoff run, which amuses me because they still have 4 teams ahead of them in the wild card race and are 4.5 back in the division with 2 teams to pass.

Frayed Knot Jul 30 2007 02:01 PM

metirish wrote: The Braves have not had a 1st baseman like this in years,have they? They've really been going with a patch-work at 1st for years now. A mixture of part-timers, platoons, young rookies, and hanging-on vets; many of them not really 1st-basemen by trade: (Franco, Bonilla, Saltalamacchia, Helms) Teixeira def gives them a jolt - for both this year and next - although it's not like he's hitting THAT much better than the guy he was traded for. One interesting side-note about the 21 y/o Salatalamacchia I picked up from the last few days: his 37 year old wife is about to give birth to their 2nd child. She was previously his HS teacher who started a relationship with him when he was 18 .... or so they say.

metirish Jul 30 2007 02:19 PM

CINCINNATI -- Right-hander Kyle Lohse is headed to Philadelphia in a trade for a minor league pitcher. Lohse is 6-12 with a 4.58 ERA this season in 21 starts. In return, Cincinnati gets 23-year-old left-hander Matt Maloney from the Phillies' organization. Maloney, who has pitched this season at Double-A Reading, is 9-7 with a 3.94 ERA in 21 starts. He leads the Eastern League in innings pitched and is fourth in strikeouts. He is rated as the ninth-best prospect in the Phillies' organization.

Edgy DC Jul 30 2007 02:24 PM

The Mets battered that guy.

OlerudOwned Jul 30 2007 03:35 PM

http://www.kansascity.com/385/story/211348.html ]The Royals appeared to ready to trade veteran closer Octavio Dotel to the Atlanta Braves on Monday afternoon for right-handed starter Kyle Davies. Davies hasn't been good, but that still leaves Atlanta with a gaping hole in the rotation.

sharpie Jul 30 2007 03:47 PM

Wickman has been pretty bad for the Braves this season, especially lately (an ERA over 6.00 for the past month or so). Dotel would be an improvement if they elect to have him close rather than set up Wickman. Davies seemed to pitch better against the Mets than other teams so I'm glad to see him shipped off to KC.

Frayed Knot Jul 30 2007 05:27 PM

The Rangers' clubhouse man is petitioning the commisioner's office for a reversal of the trade for Saltalamacchia on the grounds that he doesn't have enough A's for the uniform. He is, however, reporting a sudden surplus of E's and I's and is willing to bargain. * Red Rain falling down on me, I'm Wayne Garrett!

Rockin' Doc Jul 31 2007 07:34 AM

Teixeira is a great pick up for the Braves. He is a huge upgrade over players the Braves have been penciling in at first base the past few years. He is the kind of player that could be a difference maker down the stretch in a close pennant race.

Johnny Dickshot Jul 31 2007 07:38 AM

He's better than our first baseman.

Rockin' Doc Jul 31 2007 07:48 AM

Without question, the Braves are now stronger at first base than the Mets.

OlerudOwned Jul 31 2007 08:15 AM

Question: Would the Braves have been better off trading their top 3 rated prospects for Teixeira, or keeping them and transitioning either McCann or Saltalamacchia to first base?

metirish Jul 31 2007 08:21 AM

Do the prospects that Shurholtz trades away ever become the big stars that many tout them to become?.

Frayed Knot Jul 31 2007 08:22 AM

]Question: Would the Braves have been better off trading their top 3 rated prospects for Teixeira, or keeping them and transitioning either McCann or Saltalamacchia to first base? The value of Salatalamacchia is that he's a catcher (some claim his 'D' will never be all that good back there, but that's up to debate I suppose). It's tough to make the case that his bat will EVER be as good as what Teixeira is already. Salty was already playing some 1st (although I wonder why not more often) but with catching blocked in Atlanta - they've already signed McCann to a long-term deal - he becomes more valuable as a trading chip than in keeping him. The SS Andrus is one of those prospects that scouts love for his athleticism and potential, but he's still real raw and young and a ways off even under good circumstances. I don't know anything aobut the two minor league pitchers Atlanta gave up. Remember also that they got a LHP they can use now in return.

Frayed Knot Jul 31 2007 08:30 AM

metirish wrote: Do the prospects that Shurholtz trades away ever become the big stars that many tout them to become?. Sometimes, but not as often as their trading partners predict. The strength of the Braves has been not only seeming to find an almost endless supply of young players, but also is usually making the right choices as to which ones to keep and which to deal for more immediate help. - They did give up on a young Jason Schmidt; and dealt Bret Boone too soon for players who were only somewhat useful. But a lot of their prized guys haven't panned out elsewhere: - when Billy Beane dealt away his two big pitchers a couple years back, he got a king's ransom for sending Mulder to StL (Haren and one of the best hitters in the minors) but the booty from Atlanta (6' 6" LHP Dan Meyer) seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth. The joke around has been that if Schurholz calls you offering pitching ... HANG UP!