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IGT - Noon Broiler -- 8/4/05

Frayed Knot Aug 04 2005 12:03 PM

Ned Yost's current team: Brady Clark - CF Richie Weeks - 2B Lyle Voerbay - 1B Carlos Lee - LF Geoff Jenkins - RF Russ Branyan - 3B JJ Hardy - SS Chad Moeller - C Doug Davis (L) - P =orange]Eddie Yost's old team: Reyes - SS Cairo - 2B Cameron - RF Beltran - CF Wright - 3B Piazza - C Woodward - LF Offerman - 1B Benson - P

Frayed Knot Aug 04 2005 12:25 PM

Top 1: leadoff single, comeback liner, OF fly out K looking

seawolf17 Aug 04 2005 12:27 PM

It's gotta be frigging hot there. Jeez.

Edgy DC Aug 04 2005 12:35 PM

Eighty-five with a "feels like" rating of 90 in Flushing, according to weather.com. Probably closer to 100 at field level.

Frayed Knot Aug 04 2005 12:37 PM

Home 1st: JR = Flyout MC = BB MC = BB CB = K looking, double steal DW = come backer 0 - 0 end of 1st

Frayed Knot Aug 04 2005 12:45 PM

Jenkins = 1B to RF Branyan = Pop to SS Hardy = 6-6-3 GiDP

Frayed Knot Aug 04 2005 12:57 PM

Bottom 2: MP = K CW = 2B down LF line JO = Fly to CF KB = BB JR = Flyout to LF Scoreless through 2

Centerfield Aug 04 2005 01:10 PM

Overbay singles in 2. 3-0 bad guys.

Frayed Knot Aug 04 2005 01:17 PM

Top 3: Moeller = 1B Davis = K trying to bunt Clark = soft single to RF Weeks = RBI 1B, runners mover up on throw (2nd & 3rd) Overbay = 2-RBI 1B over SS Lee = FC - runner forced at 2nd Jenkins = 2B - 2nd & 3rd Branyan - IW Hardy = Pop out 3 - 0 Brews None of these hits sounded particularly hard ... but there sure were a lot of them.

Centerfield Aug 04 2005 01:19 PM

BOO BELTRAN BOO!!!!

MFS62 Aug 04 2005 01:20 PM

Since the game is down the tubes, time to refocus. Is Anna Benson wearing something skimpy? Later

Centerfield Aug 04 2005 01:23 PM

GO MIKE!!! BOO!!!!!

GYC Aug 04 2005 01:23 PM

P I A Z Z A = K I N G

seawolf17 Aug 04 2005 01:26 PM

Down the tubes nothing! Kabooms by Carlos and Mikey tie it up in the bottom of the third. Doug Davis is struggling.

MFS62 Aug 04 2005 01:28 PM

(Shhhh. I was trying the "reverse jinx") Later

Frayed Knot Aug 04 2005 01:29 PM

Home 3rd: MC = K MC = K CB = HR DW = BB MP = 2R-HR CW = 1B JO = GO 3 - 3 after 3

Rotblatt Aug 04 2005 01:34 PM

I take it that Mienktiewicz isn't in the lineup due to being banged up?

Edgy DC Aug 04 2005 01:36 PM

Why did Cammie get to whiff twice? What's Junior Ortiz doing in the linuep?

seawolf17 Aug 04 2005 01:37 PM

No, that's John Olerud.

Frayed Knot Aug 04 2005 01:39 PM

Top 4: Moeller = Foul out Davis = Flyout Clark = HBP Weeks = 1B (1st & 2nd - then 1st & 3rd on passed ball) Overbay = Line to SS Still 3 - 3

Centerfield Aug 04 2005 01:44 PM

Jose Reyes, Walking Machine.

Rotblatt Aug 04 2005 01:46 PM

Benson with a single, Reyes with a WALK. Cairo up. Cairo sucks. No way he should be batting second.

Rotblatt Aug 04 2005 01:47 PM

Shitfuck. Cairo flies out to center. I was hoping for some of that reverse mojo stuff . . . Let's get it goin', Cam!

seawolf17 Aug 04 2005 01:48 PM

Let's! Go! Car-Los! (clap clap clapclapclap)

Centerfield Aug 04 2005 01:50 PM

Howie and Gary are discussing how Beltran hits better in day games. Remember when Bobby Valentine blamed Todd Hundley's poor performance in day games on his tendency to stay up late? Maybe Beltran goes to bed too early. Big at bat for David Wright.

Edgy DC Aug 04 2005 01:53 PM

Hi, I'm Doug Davis, and I want no part of David Wright, thanks very much.

Rotblatt Aug 04 2005 01:54 PM

oooh, Wright walks in a run and the bases are full for Piazza! Exciting!

seawolf17 Aug 04 2005 01:55 PM

The entrance of Rick Helling into the game would be a perfect time to talk about the bat shard that got embedded in his arm a few weeks ago in the minor leagues.

Edgy DC Aug 04 2005 01:56 PM

Reyes, Beltran, and Wright on base for Piazza is the way things look in my fantasy.

seawolf17 Aug 04 2005 01:56 PM

MIKEY with a base hit to right and it's SIX to three Metsies!

Centerfield Aug 04 2005 01:56 PM

Piazza singles in 2. 6-3 good guys.

Elster88 Aug 04 2005 01:56 PM

Three cheers for starting the opposing team's pitcher in fantasy when he's pitching against your favorite team.

Edgy DC Aug 04 2005 01:57 PM

Keeee-yeaaah!

Elster88 Aug 04 2005 01:57 PM

Mike's not single, but he can still hit em. 6-3 Mets.

Rockin' Doc Aug 04 2005 01:57 PM

No one has answered the all important question regarding Anna's skimpy* outfit. How skimpy is it? *It's hot out and it's Anna, so I'm naturally assuming it's a pretty skimpy outfit.

Edgy DC Aug 04 2005 01:57 PM

I think a Rick Heiling is what Peterson did for Zambrano.

Frayed Knot Aug 04 2005 01:58 PM

Now you were all provided with an answer key at the top of the page so it's not my fault if you can't follow directions and, remember, these marks will count toward your final grade. Bottom 4: KB = 1B JR = BB !!!! MC = FO to LF MC = FO to RF CB = BB DW = (RBI) BB and we're getting a call to the pen Rick Helling now pitching MP = 2-RBI 1B (1st & 2nd) CW = Popup to SS End of 4: Mets 6 - Brewers 3

Rotblatt Aug 04 2005 02:02 PM

Mike Fucking Piazza!!! Hot damn! 2BI single--good stuff! When Helling came on, I was about to post Piazza's career line against him, but I got a little gun shy. Here it is: 3-5, 2 HR, BB, OPS of 2.467 Piazza's single brought that OPS down to 2.392.

Rotblatt Aug 04 2005 02:06 PM

So when do we bring in Heilman?

seawolf17 Aug 04 2005 02:09 PM

Hey, you know what? Benson's given up ten hits and five runs in four-plus innings. Let's just leave him out there and let him get lit up.

cooby Aug 04 2005 02:12 PM

I think Benson should go into the clubhouse and eat a couple of steaks and five or six milkshakes

MFS62 Aug 04 2005 02:13 PM

The is the old "the pitcher's due up next inning, we want him to go five for the win, etc." decision. Of course, that's the kind of decision that is usually made by bad teams. Later

Edgy DC Aug 04 2005 02:16 PM

Or perhaps, you know, the bullpen is still in aftershock and the less asked of them the better.

metirish Aug 04 2005 02:22 PM

6 - 6 , sucks

Centerfield Aug 04 2005 02:27 PM

Question...why is Cameron hitting 3rd?

Rotblatt Aug 04 2005 02:31 PM

Damni, Cairo . . .

Edgy DC Aug 04 2005 02:31 PM

'Cuz it's a shakeup!

metirish Aug 04 2005 02:33 PM

Willie is more of a "feel" guy, goes with his "gut", numbers?,who cares.

Edgy DC Aug 04 2005 02:39 PM

Cheap shots abounding today. The numbers, among other things, say that Mike Cameron has been consistently hitting balls hard as Hell since the trade deadline passed. They also suggest that Beltran could use some sort of change.

metirish Aug 04 2005 02:40 PM

Not cheap shots, having a bit of fun, jeez.

seawolf17 Aug 04 2005 02:42 PM

Carlos may not hit much, but he made a nice run-saving catch to get out of the top of the sixth.

Lundy Aug 04 2005 02:46 PM

KABOOM for Cammy!

seawolf17 Aug 04 2005 02:46 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 04 2005 02:46 PM

="Centerfield"]Question...why is Cameron hitting 3rd? Yeah, really... he sucks.

Rotblatt Aug 04 2005 02:46 PM

Man, it's tough out there today. I guess batter like the heat more than pitchers, huh? I have a feeling that there's going to be a whole lot more runs scored today . . .

Centerfield Aug 04 2005 02:48 PM

OH THAT'S WHY.

Edgy DC Aug 04 2005 02:50 PM

Add four bases to the numbers. Feelings are off the chart also.

seawolf17 Aug 04 2005 02:51 PM

Who is this guy and what has he done to the old, decrepit Mike Piazza?!?! 4 1 3 5 double, home run

Rotblatt Aug 04 2005 02:52 PM

Man, I fucking love it when Piazza gets hot.

Elster88 Aug 04 2005 02:52 PM

I don't like depending on the long ball for home runs, even if chicks dig it. Cooby, IP, Annie, silver, do chicks really dig the long ball?

Edgy DC Aug 04 2005 02:52 PM

Only thing standing between Mike Piazza and a cycle is his first triple in about 1,300 plate appearances.

seawolf17 Aug 04 2005 02:53 PM

Piazza's last 5-RBI day: [url=http://www.ultimatemets.com/gamedetail.php?gameno=6694]8/13/03[/url]

Rotblatt Aug 04 2005 02:53 PM

What are the odds that he'll hit for the cycle today? Keeping in mind that he has 6 career triples . . .

cooby Aug 04 2005 02:53 PM

Cooby, IP, Annie, silver, do chicks really dig the long ball? Sure, but mostly when Cliffy hits 'em!

Edgy DC Aug 04 2005 02:54 PM

I don't like depending on the long ball for home runs, even if chicks dig it. Only inside-the-parkers?

Elster88 Aug 04 2005 02:56 PM

Oops, lol. I don't like depending on the long ball for runs.

Edgy DC Aug 04 2005 02:58 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 04 2005 03:10 PM

Keeping in mind that he has 6 career triples . . . Much as I'd love to see it, I can't expect his legs are up to it today. If he hit a slow lazy fly to Jenkins, and Jenkins was shot just as he was about to make the catch, maybe. Stranger things have happened though.

Rotblatt Aug 04 2005 02:58 PM

Don't look now, but Piazza's OPS has crept back up to .800. And Woody stays hot with a single!

Rotblatt Aug 04 2005 03:01 PM

So if Offerman walks here, do we pinch hit for Heilman or leave him in there? Suicide squeeze is out with Piazza at 3B, and Padilla, Santiago & Koo should be available in the pen. And Graves too, but why would we do that? I think you've gotta leave him in there . . .

Edgy DC Aug 04 2005 03:11 PM

Guess not. Padilla in (should've been in yesterday) and gets in trouble with a single and an HbP. Two out. Overbay up.

Edgy DC Aug 04 2005 03:12 PM

Bam. Whiffy.

Centerfield Aug 04 2005 03:12 PM

Overbay out.

seawolf17 Aug 04 2005 03:15 PM

And the picture on FSNY is frozen on the pre-game "Brewers at Mets" shot with the team logos. We're still getting audio, at least...

G-Fafif Aug 04 2005 03:15 PM

Anybody else reminded of another very hot Thursday afternoon at Shea, just about twenty years ago? http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B08150NYN1985.htm Check out the unlikely pitching matchup.

metirish Aug 04 2005 03:25 PM

Mr. Koo in to face Jenkins, Lee on first no outs.

Rotblatt Aug 04 2005 03:26 PM

Did Padilla get tossed for hitting batters or was it just a pitching change?

metirish Aug 04 2005 03:29 PM

Geoff Jenkins singles on a fly ball to right fielder Mike Cameron. Carlos Lee to 2nd. Top 8TH B:0 S:0 O:0 Offensive Substitution: Pinch hitter Trent Durrington replaces Russell Branyan. Top 8TH B:0 S:0 O:0 Pitcher Change: Danny Graves replaces Dae-Sung Koo, batting 9th.

Centerfield Aug 04 2005 03:31 PM

What a stupid play by Woodward.

seawolf17 Aug 04 2005 03:32 PM

And despite the dumb play by Woody, Danny Graves holds on and gets out of it.

Rotblatt Aug 04 2005 03:33 PM

What happened? Yahoo!'s stopped updating.

metirish Aug 04 2005 03:35 PM

And the Brew crew inch closer, 8 - 7, Moeller at the plate, Graves deals and....pop out to Wright

metirish Aug 04 2005 03:40 PM

Bottom of the 8th, Santana pitching to Wright, David has two walks and a single and a groudout in the game, Woodie on deck, Piazza in the hole.

Elster88 Aug 04 2005 03:41 PM

Piazza down swinging. No cycle. Woody up.

Edgy DC Aug 04 2005 03:42 PM

Piazza whiffs with two on and the cycle dream looking dead. Everybody boo. Really, I imagine Castro is on his way in.

metirish Aug 04 2005 03:43 PM

Gameday is a bit wonkie today, Beltan singled to start the inning, Wright walked, Piazza SO swinging.

Edgy DC Aug 04 2005 03:44 PM

Woodie on deck, Piazza in the hole. And while we're liberally dealing the double entendre, can somebody please describe Woodward's boner?

Lundy Aug 04 2005 03:44 PM

Offerman gets a 2-out RBI single. 9-7 Mets.

Edgy DC Aug 04 2005 03:45 PM

Jesse Orosco doubles in the insurance run. Nice!

metirish Aug 04 2005 03:46 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 04 2005 03:52 PM

Which of the two Dire Straits songs did Woodie have playing for him, I've noticed he alternates depending on whether he's starting or pinch hitting, Sultans if he starts and Money for nothing if he is pinch hitting.

Vic Sage Aug 04 2005 03:50 PM

the Mets' pinch-hitting this year is just insane. At this point, i wish they'd just stop and save a few for next year.

Lundy Aug 04 2005 03:52 PM

Bill Hall doubles to start the ninth against Hernandez. Brady Clark singles, 9-8 Mets....

Elster88 Aug 04 2005 03:53 PM

Bottom 8TH B:0 S:0 O:2 Jose Offerman doubles (3) on a line drive to right fielder Geoff Jenkins. Carlos Beltran scores. David Wright to 3rd. I'm "watching" on GameDay, so I don't know for sure, but shouldn't David score with two outs on a double? The kid can run. At least get him cut down at the plate?

Centerfield Aug 04 2005 03:54 PM

Um. Ok. Doesn't seem like Bert has much today.

Lundy Aug 04 2005 03:54 PM

Ricky Weeks singles, first and third none out. Hernandez doesn't have it today.

MFS62 Aug 04 2005 03:54 PM

The guy' s older than I am (well, maybe not). He's pitching his thrid (or is it his tenth) game in a row. Can't we bring back Bell or somebody with a fresh bullpen arm? Later

metirish Aug 04 2005 03:55 PM

please no, not today

Lundy Aug 04 2005 03:56 PM

Carlos Lee gets a free pass. Bases loaded, one out, for Geoff Jenkins.

Rotblatt Aug 04 2005 03:56 PM

Of course he doesn't! He's 40 years old and has thrown about 60 pitches in the last day and a half. Willie's fucking retarded. He should've left Heilman in there for longer and Padilla in there for longer. Using Robo here was a poor, poor choice.

Vic Sage Aug 04 2005 03:57 PM

this is a bad time to point out that i have Jenkins on my fantasy team, right?

Rotblatt Aug 04 2005 03:58 PM

Any idea what his velocity is like?

Vic Sage Aug 04 2005 03:58 PM

]Willie's fucking retarded. indeed. this has been my view since the outset. welcome aboard.

MFS62 Aug 04 2005 03:58 PM

I can forgive wille for rookie managerial mistakes. But NOT if he repeats them without learning from them. Roberto showed earlier in the year that he can't be overworked. (Didn't Willie use him in five straight games earlier in the season?) Unforgiveable. Later

Lundy Aug 04 2005 03:59 PM

Jenkins singles, drives in a run, but Weeks is out at the plate. 9-9

Elster88 Aug 04 2005 03:59 PM

Well, Mazz is available.

metirish Aug 04 2005 04:00 PM

Whats the score, gameday seems to have gone belly up on me. thanks Lundy....shitfuck

G-Fafif Aug 04 2005 04:00 PM

May as well give Geoff Jenkins the 1971 Cy Young award, too.

Elster88 Aug 04 2005 04:01 PM

Gotta say Woody has been a heck of a player for the Mets. So did he gun the almost-go-ahead-run in the form of Weeks, or was it a third base coach brain fart?

Centerfield Aug 04 2005 04:02 PM

Well. This games sucks.

Lundy Aug 04 2005 04:02 PM

Infield hit for Damian Miller, Brewers take the lead 10-9.

Elster88 Aug 04 2005 04:02 PM

I really can't take this.

metirish Aug 04 2005 04:03 PM

WOW, I'm pissed, won't even watch the replay of this.

Lundy Aug 04 2005 04:03 PM

Beltran misplays ball in CF, it's now 12-9 Brewers. Yuck,

G-Fafif Aug 04 2005 04:04 PM

Roberto Hernandez got old awfully fast this week.

Edgy DC Aug 04 2005 04:06 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 04 2005 04:06 PM

I'm Troy McClure. You may remember me from such painful series as: Pittsburgh --- What the Hell Just Happened? and Rocky Mountain Hell! Has this series been nasty ten different ways or what?

Lundy Aug 04 2005 04:06 PM

Inning is finally over. 12-9, middle of the ninth.

Elster88 Aug 04 2005 04:07 PM

Lundy wrote: Beltran misplays ball in CF, it's now 12-9 Brewers. Yuck, What happened? Should he have caught it?

cooby Aug 04 2005 04:07 PM

100 degrees, 4 plus hours, 21 runs...

Centerfield Aug 04 2005 04:07 PM

These are two suckass games. Gotta wonder why it took Willie so long to get someone up in the pen when Roberto showed he had nothing today. Unforgiveable. Putting an overworked, exhausted 40 year old out there...pretty dumb. Putting him out there with no safety net...inexcusable.

metsmarathon Aug 04 2005 04:08 PM

yuck. hey, maybe we can tie this thing, so we can blow it one more time or two! wont that be fun!

seawolf17 Aug 04 2005 04:08 PM

Wow, that was ugly. I know the bullpen is spent, Willie, but you gotta know that you can't beat up Hernandez like that. Dammit. Losing two of three to the freaking Brewers.

G-Fafif Aug 04 2005 04:09 PM

Willie should've used Octavio Dotel instead of Kenny Rogers.

Rotblatt Aug 04 2005 04:12 PM

Well, when you're right, you're right, Vic . . . Argh!!! All season, he's misused a decent pen and made it look worse than it is . . .

Rotblatt Aug 04 2005 04:14 PM

Right thread: Just one more time: the losses today and yesterday are Willie's fault. And whoever decided that Graves deserved to be here more than Bell. I'm sorry, but there's NO WAY he should have pulled Heilman after 1 inning, then given the quick hook to Padilla. And if you're going to use Graves, you might as well use him for more than an inning when your only other choice is the 40 year old you've worked to death and a worn out Looper. Inexcusable. The worst part is that Robo's going to take the heat for it, when it was clear bullpen mismanagement by Willie--a problem that's plagued us all year. I mean, giving DeJean & Aybar as many high-leverage situations as he did when Heilman & Bell were doing well was fucking stupid, plain & simple. And letting Padilla languish in Norfolk was another bad decision. Signing Graves was fine, but it's time to end the experiment. I fucking hate games like this.

cooby Aug 04 2005 04:22 PM

Elster88 wrote: Well, Mazz is available. We can't overlook this. It's too funny

seawolf17 Aug 04 2005 04:22 PM

Dammit.

Centerfield Aug 04 2005 04:22 PM

Just when I thought it couldn't get much worse than last night. From Pittsburgh, to the Sunday Night MFY game, to last night's game...this season has just been full of punches to the stomach.

Rotblatt Aug 04 2005 04:30 PM

Fucking hell. Is it too late to bring back Bobby V? While I'm bashing Willie, he totally should've put Cliff in there to bat for Cairo. I mean, if you're Turnbow, who would you rather face? It's no contest--put the pressure on the kid and give Cliff a chance to be a hero.

Elster88 Aug 04 2005 04:34 PM

]you might as well use him for more than an inning when your only other choice is the 40 year old you've worked to death Not to mention it's about 1,000 degrees outside. 'Course, this reasoning may also be why he took everyone else out so quick. Too bad he didn't decide to take care of Bert that way too.

Edgy DC Aug 04 2005 04:35 PM

I think the thinking goes that you use your slugger when he can come up as at least the tying run.

Elster88 Aug 04 2005 04:35 PM

cooby wrote: ="Elster88"]Well, Mazz is available. We can't overlook this. It's too funny Too bad they didn't let Art manage out his contract. They could've fired him this year and we wouldn't have Willie. And I'm a guy who supports small ball.

Edgy DC Aug 04 2005 04:37 PM

Back in the day, an early exit that burns the pen --- like Zambrano's --- was partially ameliorated by the offending starter making himself available out of the pen the next day or two. Of course, it was also addressed by an emergency callup -- a choice Omar chose not to make.

Elster88 Aug 04 2005 04:40 PM

Fire up that Galaxy .500.

Rotblatt Aug 04 2005 04:41 PM

Just to say I told you so, I DID say that we should DFA Graves and bring up Bell after our win on Tuesday. Things might have turned out a bit different had we done that. On the same note, had we left Petey in there last night, maybe Robo & Loop are both available tonight . . . In my scenario, we would've had Bell ready to go in for Pedro last night if Pedro struggled, then we could still have turned to one of Robo or Loop for the ninth if Bell didn't look sharp or Willie didn't trust him. Then today, we'd have had Loop or Robo available in the ninth . . . Willie's a cruel, cruel man. Robo has GOT to be upset right now, and he's got nothing to be ashamed of. Willie set him up to fail.

Centerfield Aug 04 2005 04:41 PM

Too bad we didn't keep that "shoulda" game thread going. It'd be like a thousand pages by now.

Elster88 Aug 04 2005 04:43 PM

What exactly did Graves do wrong today? In your scenario, doesn't Bell pitch Graves' inning, leaving Bert for the ninth? Today the problem was Willie, not the roster.

Edgy DC Aug 04 2005 04:44 PM

Rotgut, I don't think you'll find any argument here that Willie used his pen as effectively as he might've.

Elster88 Aug 04 2005 04:45 PM

What happened on the ball to Beltran in the ninth for the double? Lundy said he misplayed it?

Rotblatt Aug 04 2005 05:25 PM

]What exactly did Graves do wrong today? In your scenario, doesn't Bell pitch Graves' inning, leaving Bert for the ninth? Today the problem was Willie, not the roster. The problem with Graves is that Willie didn't have any confidence to put him out there for another inning--and not without reason. Bell, on the other hand, Willie seemed to have more confidence in and was more willing to use him over multiple innings. And in MY rosiest scenario, Petey pitched a complete game last night, and today, Heilman relieved Benson in the fifth after he walked Jenkins, maybe allowing one of Benson's runs to score, leaving us winning 6-4. I'd have left him in for the sixth, and after we went up 8-4, I'd have PH for him, since I had SO many relievers fresh in the pen. Use Padilla in the 7th, then Bell in the 8th & 9th. If it got too close, I'd bringing in Robo or Loop to slam the door shut. And there you have it--Rotblatt puts us at 3 games over .500! I'm clearly being a bit facetious here, but Willie's use of our pen the last two days has been atrocious. Petey's not made of glass, and with our bullpen trashed from 11 innings the night before, you've got to give him every chance to rest the pen. If you DON'T do that, call up a fresh arm for the love of Christ or have a plan to use Zambrano (as Edgy suggested) or be willing to ride the guys you trust who DIDN'T throw 60 pitches over the last day and a half--namely Padilla & Heilman.

Valadius Aug 04 2005 07:43 PM

WHAT THE HELL??? How dumb ARE you Willie? How moronic could you possibly be? You knew it was going to catch up to Roberto Hernandez sooner or later. He's 40 freaking years old, and you send him out there for a FOURTH consecutive day in the August heat, which he has stated many times he hates to pitch in? After he shows the signs of crumbling in his two previous outings? WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?!?!?!?!

cleonjones11 Aug 04 2005 07:47 PM

Relying on a 40 year old in this weather? Does Beltran need roids or is he just a pussy? Bring back Bobby V. Keep Wright,Reyes,Pedro and dump the rest..This team sucks

Edgy DC Aug 04 2005 08:19 PM

Easy on the bold. Petey's not made of glass Nor, apparently, is Roberto Hernandez made of rubber. Though it's three straight days, not four, to be fair. Even in fairness, that's four innings over three days, and the rest is true enough. And Bert had been burned by overuse before.

Lundy Aug 04 2005 08:42 PM

Elster, I didn't see the Beltran play, but from the way Gary Cohen was describing it, Beltran might have misjudged the ball because it rolled all the way to the wall. The hit was scored a double, so it might not have been Beltran's fault. But Gary seemed to think Carlos could have made a better play on that one.

Frayed Knot Aug 04 2005 10:27 PM

It was a liner to CF which was going to be a single regardless of what Beltran did ... but he was charging straight in when it was actually slightly to his right ... which still shouldn't have a problem except that it had rained briefly in the 8th and so the when the ball hit grass it skidded past him low & untouched and rolled to the wall.

ScarletKnight41 Aug 06 2005 02:33 PM

Elster88 wrote: I don't like depending on the long ball for home runs, even if chicks dig it. Cooby, IP, Annie, silver, do chicks really dig the long ball? I'm more of a pitching fan, personally. But well placed homers are always appreciated. BTW, I was following this one on mets.com while on a ship that resembled the S.S. Poseidon at the time. Not a good combo....

cooby Aug 06 2005 10:36 PM

So, would you say you identify more now with Shelley Winters or Carol Lynley? (who was always one of my favorite actresses, btw)

ScarletKnight41 Aug 06 2005 11:18 PM

Carol. Since A) I'm alive, and B) I'm not THAT fat! BTW, at dinner that night, the crowd was asked to join along in singing, "Auld Lang Syne." Considering how the ship was rocking that day, the people at our table questioned the appropriateness of that choice of music.