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Edgy DC Jul 27 2005 11:28 AM

At catcher, they're fine. You sort in ballpark factors, and they probably pull ahead of Philadelphia. If Piazza stops chasing junk away and takes more walks, this slot remains a relative strength. This thread projects to be a belabored way of saying we're getting killed at first and second. RK TEAM G AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI SB CS SH SF HBP SO BB GidP BA OBP SLG OPS 1 Cincinnati 101 335 44 89 22 0 16 159 62 0 0 4 4 10 86 38 5 .266 .354 .475 .829 2 Chicago Cubs 100 354 37 92 21 1 14 157 54 0 1 3 4 4 40 24 8 .260 .311 .444 .754 3 San Francisco 99 348 47 89 32 0 10 151 48 1 2 3 4 5 68 27 8 .256 .315 .434 .749 4 Florida 97 356 38 104 19 1 4 137 40 4 3 3 7 5 27 34 10 .292 .356 .385 .741 5 Philadelphia 101 347 38 85 16 0 14 143 45 0 0 0 1 10 53 33 7 .245 .327 .412 .739 6 NY Mets 100 377 40 95 24 0 13 158 58 1 0 2 2 1 69 35 12 .252 .316 .419 .735 Piazza 76 284 29 75 19 0 11 127 43 0 0 0 0 1 47 25 5 .264 .326 .447 .773 Castro 53 85 11 20 5 0 2 31 15 1 0 2 2 0 20 10 6 .235 .309 .365 .674 DiFelice 6 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 1 .000 .000 .000 .000 7 Washington 100 354 31 96 20 1 7 139 43 1 0 3 4 5 52 24 7 .271 .323 .393 .716 8 Milwaukee 101 367 43 93 24 0 8 141 37 0 1 1 2 4 81 29 19 .253 .313 .384 .698 9 Colorado 99 343 41 80 15 0 12 131 46 2 0 1 2 4 74 36 13 .233 .312 .382 .694 10 San Diego 100 393 36 103 20 3 7 150 49 2 1 2 4 0 49 24 14 .262 .302 .382 .683 11 Pittsburgh 100 361 33 85 22 2 10 141 50 0 0 3 6 7 84 20 9 .235 .284 .391 .675 12 LA Dodgers 100 357 28 88 21 0 7 130 47 0 1 1 4 3 49 31 13 .246 .309 .364 .673 13 Atlanta 100 376 35 94 23 0 7 138 43 0 0 2 3 3 46 23 12 .250 .296 .367 .663 14 Arizona 102 335 29 79 14 0 6 111 29 0 1 3 2 3 88 37 7 .236 .316 .331 .647 15 St. Louis 99 350 35 83 14 1 6 117 45 0 2 9 2 3 26 14 12 .237 .271 .334 .605 16 Houston 101 336 29 76 12 0 3 97 36 3 2 6 1 5 48 26 16 .226 .291 .289 .579

Edgy DC Aug 07 2005 07:21 PM

Catcher RK TEAM G AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BA OBP SLG OPS 1 Cincinnati 111 367 48 100 25 0 19 182 71 .272 .367 .496 .863 2 Chicago Cubs 110 388 40 103 25 2 15 177 59 .265 .318 .456 .775 3 NY Mets 110 415 45 108 28 0 16 184 72 .260 .325 .443 .769 4 Florida 108 397 43 116 23 1 4 153 46 .292 .354 .385 .740 5 Philadelphia 111 382 40 93 18 0 16 159 50 .243 .323 .416 .739 6 Washington 110 385 33 106 21 1 8 153 47 .275 .334 .397 .732 7 Colorado 109 378 48 91 20 2 14 157 51 .241 .316 .415 .731 8 San Francisco 109 382 51 95 33 0 11 161 50 .249 .307 .421 .729 9 San Diego 110 429 40 116 20 4 9 171 55 .270 .315 .399 .713 10 Milwaukee 111 407 50 101 26 0 10 157 43 .248 .308 .386 .694 11 Atlanta 111 416 41 104 26 0 8 154 47 .250 .297 .370 .667 12 Pittsburgh 111 401 35 92 26 2 10 152 53 .229 .281 .379 .660 13 Arizona 112 368 34 86 16 0 8 126 36 .234 .316 .342 .658 14 LA Dodgers 110 391 30 94 21 0 7 136 47 .240 .308 .348 .656 15 St. Louis 110 386 40 91 15 1 6 126 47 .236 .272 .326 .598 16 Houston 111 366 31 81 13 0 3 103 40 .221 .285 .281 .566 First Base RK TEAM G AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BA OBP SLG OPS 1 Chicago Cubs 110 423 87 149 36 2 33 288 85 .352 .429 .681 1.110 2 St. Louis 110 427 95 148 28 1 31 271 91 .347 .433 .635 1.068 3 Arizona 112 448 61 141 31 3 29 265 75 .315 .360 .592 .952 4 LA Dodgers 110 405 59 115 27 1 26 222 82 .284 .362 .548 .910 5 Florida 108 415 63 121 29 1 20 212 73 .292 .380 .511 .891 6 Colorado 109 405 59 122 29 1 13 192 54 .301 .412 .474 .886 7 Washington 110 402 56 117 28 2 12 185 53 .291 .395 .460 .855 8 Milwaukee 111 417 61 117 26 0 19 200 65 .281 .363 .480 .842 9 Cincinnati 111 439 64 135 27 0 11 195 51 .308 .373 .444 .817 10 Atlanta 111 419 51 112 25 1 20 199 79 .267 .325 .475 .800 11 San Diego 110 431 55 121 18 3 16 193 68 .281 .339 .448 .787 12 Houston 111 420 61 108 19 1 18 183 68 .257 .346 .436 .781 13 Pittsburgh 111 423 52 111 25 1 13 177 68 .262 .331 .418 .750 14 Philadelphia 111 404 53 97 18 0 14 157 66 .240 .346 .389 .735 15 San Francisco 109 432 50 111 22 2 13 176 59 .257 .316 .407 .723 16 NY Mets 110 388 45 86 21 0 11 140 38 .222 .299 .361 .660 Second Base RK TEAM G AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BA OBP SLG OPS 1 LA Dodgers 110 418 69 130 27 0 21 220 75 .311 .377 .526 .903 2 Philadelphia 111 426 66 130 30 2 15 209 67 .305 .384 .491 .874 3 Atlanta 111 442 81 138 36 3 8 204 44 .312 .382 .462 .843 4 Houston 111 438 72 119 34 2 17 208 52 .272 .339 .475 .814 5 Florida 108 418 76 126 20 2 9 177 41 .301 .380 .423 .803 6 San Francisco 109 421 62 122 27 0 9 176 41 .290 .355 .418 .773 7 Milwaukee 111 432 65 112 20 4 15 185 51 .259 .342 .428 .770 8 Chicago Cubs 110 433 55 121 27 2 10 182 37 .279 .342 .420 .762 9 Cincinnati 111 445 71 121 20 3 11 180 49 .272 .349 .404 .754 10 Arizona 112 461 65 125 29 3 7 181 37 .271 .360 .393 .752 11 St. Louis 110 440 55 128 25 2 7 178 46 .291 .332 .405 .736 12 Colorado 109 448 61 130 25 2 6 177 44 290 .327 .395 .722 13 Washington 110 414 61 102 28 2 8 158 38 .246 .330 .382 .711 14 Pittsburgh 111 438 52 118 16 3 10 170 49 .269 .310 .388 .699 15 San Diego 110 445 59 117 14 1 6 151 47 .263 .333 .339 .673 16 NY Mets 110 418 52 108 22 1 5 147 35 .258 .302 .352 .654 Third Base RK TEAM G AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BA OBP SLG OPS 1 Houston 111 401 66 115 24 3 29 232 81 .287 .383 .579 .962 2 Chicago Cubs 110 434 70 133 29 0 28 246 83 .306 .358 .567 .925 3 Milwaukee 111 402 53 118 32 1 19 209 59 .294 .371 .520 .891 4 NY Mets 110 392 67 117 29 1 16 196 63 .298 .384 .500 .884 5 Arizona 112 429 62 114 30 1 22 212 73 .266 .358 .494 .852 6 Cincinnati 111 430 56 124 35 1 14 203 51 .288 .357 .472 .829 7 Atlanta 111 401 61 112 32 4 12 188 51 .279 .357 .469 .826 8 St. Louis 110 401 62 111 22 3 8 163 58 .277 .359 .406 .766 9 Colorado 109 410 51 115 24 1 9 168 58 .280 .349 .410 .759 10 Pittsburgh 111 432 59 119 24 2 11 180 55 .275 .333 .417 .749 11 San Francisco 109 423 49 119 21 1 11 175 65 .281 .330 .414 .743 12 Philadelphia 111 425 43 113 23 1 8 162 47 .266 .320 .381 .701 13 Washington 110 419 45 103 29 2 7 157 56 .246 .316 .375 .691 14 San Diego 110 416 42 106 18 3 6 148 30 .255 .329 .356 .685 15 LA Dodgers 110 411 52 100 19 3 7 146 40 .243 .325 .355 .681 16 Florida 108 406 43 95 32 0 8 151 53 .234 .284 .372 .656 Shortstop RK TEAM G AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BA OBP SLG OPS 1 Atlanta 111 457 73 130 19 10 10 199 43 .284 .346 .435 .782 2 Cincinnati 111 463 73 119 28 3 17 204 61 .257 .308 .441 .748 3 San Francisco 109 439 57 130 25 4 2 169 38 .296 .351 .385 .736 4 Colorado 109 441 65 118 30 3 8 178 45 .268 .322 .404 .726 5 Philadelphia 111 480 77 133 21 7 9 195 33 .277 .318 .406 .724 6 St. Louis 110 452 63 124 16 5 4 162 36 .274 .353 .358 .711 7 Florida 108 377 38 100 20 1 7 143 40 .265 .328 .379 .707 8 San Diego 110 416 46 101 24 2 11 162 55 .243 .295 .389 .684 9 NY Mets 110 487 71 136 18 11 3 185 47 .279 .302 .380 .682 10 LA Dodgers 110 471 53 135 19 2 2 164 35 .287 .330 .348 .678 11 Arizona 112 448 52 118 23 3 5 162 43 .263 .308 .362 .669 12 Houston 111 414 47 100 25 3 8 155 43 .242 .292 .374 .666 13 Milwaukee 111 391 49 88 29 1 7 140 39 .225 .307 .358 .665 14 Chicago Cubs 110 458 53 116 22 1 7 161 41 .253 .283 .352 .634 15 Pittsburgh 111 415 41 97 18 6 6 145 29 .234 .284 .349 .634 16 Washington 110 387 32 78 8 5 3 105 22 .202 .251 .271 .522 Left Field RK TEAM G AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BA OBP SLG OPS 1 Florida 108 431 81 152 32 2 24 260 79 .353 .412 .603 1.015 2 Cincinnati 111 394 83 107 30 2 28 225 79 .272 .392 .571 .963 3 Pittsburgh 111 406 70 124 36 5 19 227 55 .305 .403 .559 .962 4 Milwaukee 111 434 63 118 31 0 27 230 90 .272 .338 .530 .868 5 NY Mets 110 413 64 113 18 1 25 208 69 .274 .357 .504 .861 6 St. Louis 110 420 64 115 22 2 24 213 63 .274 .337 .507 .844 7 Philadelphia 111 417 54 114 18 1 21 197 78 .273 .367 .472 .839 8 San Diego 110 429 63 117 20 1 17 190 56 .273 .362 .443 .805 9 Arizona 112 438 64 118 27 0 15 190 60 .269 .359 .434 .793 10 San Francisco 109 414 58 121 18 1 11 174 62 .292 .351 .420 .772 11 Colorado 109 427 53 119 17 5 14 188 52 .279 .330 .440 .770 12 Chicago Cubs 110 406 35 105 28 3 9 166 46 .259 .314 .409 .723 13 Washington 110 406 41 104 27 4 9 166 51 .256 .312 .409 .721 14 Atlanta 111 420 61 103 16 1 13 160 60 .245 .318 .381 .699 15 Houston 111 421 44 105 23 5 5 153 36 .249 .310 .363 .673 16 LA Dodgers 110 415 47 95 20 3 7 142 37 .229 .280 .342 .622 Center Field RK TEAM G AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BA OBP SLG OPS 1 Atlanta 111 413 67 112 21 3 35 244 88 .271 .354 .591 .945 2 Cincinnati 111 425 75 121 28 1 27 232 80 .285 .358 .546 .904 3 LA Dodgers 110 409 72 117 18 3 22 207 58 .286 .364 .506 .871 4 St. Louis 110 399 68 107 26 1 21 198 72 .268 .372 .496 .869 5 Washington 110 421 60 112 32 6 9 183 53 .266 .371 .435 .806 6 Milwaukee 111 470 76 149 25 0 9 201 41 .317 .375 .428 .803 7 San Diego 110 435 62 117 18 7 16 197 65 .269 .346 .453 .798 8 Philadelphia 111 427 71 133 16 5 4 171 40 .311 .392 .400 .793 9 NY Mets 110 443 58 124 30 3 14 202 64 .280 .333 .456 .789 10 Arizona 112 412 52 100 15 5 16 173 51 .243 .340 .420 .760 11 Colorado 109 429 59 108 20 4 17 187 60 .252 .309 .436 .745 12 Houston 111 459 60 134 13 4 6 173 33 .292 .330 .377 .707 13 Pittsburgh 111 446 60 116 17 4 11 174 45 .260 .311 .390 .701 14 Chicago Cubs 110 454 55 112 16 3 14 176 35 .247 .292 .388 .680 15 Florida 108 458 69 119 11 9 2 154 29 .260 .314 .336 .650 16 San Francisco 109 432 49 104 23 2 4 143 36 .241 .299 .331 .630 Right Field RK TEAM G AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BA OBP SLG OPS 1 San Diego 110 390 71 115 35 5 10 190 60 .295 .423 .487 .910 2 Philadelphia 111 417 75 120 23 1 20 205 71 .288 .397 .492 .888 3 Florida 108 414 56 124 24 3 17 205 70 .300 .366 .495 .861 4 Washington 110 434 66 132 23 1 19 214 59 .304 .357 .493 .850 5 Milwaukee 111 416 67 115 31 1 17 199 60 .276 .359 .478 .838 6 NY Mets 110 411 67 107 27 2 20 198 55 .260 .348 .482 .830 7 Colorado 109 404 56 115 18 5 17 194 56 .285 .349 .480 .829 8 Arizona 112 431 62 119 27 3 18 206 58 .276 .349 .478 .827 9 Pittsburgh 111 426 63 117 33 2 10 184 50 .275 .377 .432 .809 10 St. Louis 110 421 71 114 25 2 16 191 62 .271 .350 .454 .803 11 San Francisco 109 414 62 109 21 1 18 186 56 .263 .335 .449 .784 12 LA Dodgers 110 397 62 98 25 0 16 171 51 .247 .347 .431 .778 13 Chicago Cubs 110 427 63 112 26 2 16 190 55 .262 .328 .445 .773 14 Houston 111 427 54 109 32 2 17 196 49 .255 .305 .459 .764 15 Cincinnati 111 427 59 107 29 2 15 185 65 .251 .317 .433 .750 16 Atlanta 111 411 57 104 24 5 14 180 53 .253 .310 .438 .748

metirish Aug 07 2005 07:55 PM

Excellent work, first and second base help is a glaring need when you look at your charts, very interesting to look at teams where they are by postition relative to where they are in the standings, good stuff, the Reds for instance fair well by postition but we all know they have no pitching.

Edgy DC Aug 07 2005 08:56 PM

I'll follow up with some pitching rankings.

smg58 Aug 07 2005 11:51 PM

It's tough to tell with Cincy how much of that is ballpark-related. I'm shocked that Milwaukee's rotation of guys at third is ahead of David Wright. Keep in mind that Mintkiewicz' OPS is significantly higher than the overall OPS at first. I'm still a lot more disappointed with center than I am with first, given the level of investment and expectation. Second is another story, because we did make a significant investment in Matsui. The Marlins are last at third base. Who saw that coming?

Edgy DC Aug 08 2005 12:26 AM

I suspected ballpark factors also, but according to baseball-reference.com, the Great American Ballpark, in it's first year, played even. In it's second year, bb-r.com gave it a batters' ballpark factor of 92, very much in favor of pitching. So, to believe bb-r.com, Cincy's batters have mashed and their pitchers have struggled because that's the type of talent they have.

Nymr83 Aug 08 2005 12:41 AM

is catcher a relative strength? well relative to other catchers maybe, but how about relative to other $10 million+ players? expectations/contracts play a huge part in how good a year you are having. if the mets werent paying piazza 15 mil they could conceivably be giving it to Delgado. and their 1B/C duo would be better than the current 1B/C duo. i'm not looking to start a piaza-bashing fest, just suggesting that since other catchers aren't payed like piazza is they shouldn't be compared to him like that. Its not like he's a defensive asset either...most teams have a slugger at 1B and a defensive wiz at C...we have the opposite...compare piazza to the other 1Bmen and mientkiewicz to the other catchers for a more reasonable view of what they are doing compared to what the mets needed out of them.

Edgy DC Aug 08 2005 07:44 AM

That would be the Met Rankings by Salary thread.

Edgy DC Aug 08 2005 09:16 AM

]I'm shocked that Milwaukee's rotation of guys at third is ahead of David Wright. I think Russ Branyan is an excellent guy to pick spots for. NAME G AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BB SO SB CS BA OBP SLG OPS Jeff Cirillo 44 137 18 41 14 0 3 64 13 13 17 3 2 .299 .364 .467 .831 Russ Branyan 44 130 17 39 9 0 9 75 25 28 46 1 0 .300 .424 .577 1.001 Bill Hall 36 102 15 31 6 0 7 58 18 8 22 6 0 .304 .345 .569 .914 Wes Helms 19 35 3 7 3 1 0 12 3 2 4 0 1 .200 .243 .343 .586 Trent Durrington 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 Brewers 112 404 53 118 32 1 19 209 59 51 89 10 3 .292 .370 .517 .888 Milwaukee also edges the Mets in defensive zone rating at third, .771 to .764, and holds a slight edge in stolen bases, 10-13 vs 12-17 for the Mets.

Rotblatt Aug 08 2005 11:35 AM

]compare piazza to the other 1Bmen and mientkiewicz to the other catchers for a more reasonable view of what they are doing compared to what the mets needed out of them. That would be interesting to do . . . And to get a rough idea, we could just add the 1B & C OPS, then divide it by 2 & compare to each NL team. I'm pretty busy today, but the Mets's 1B + C OPS is .715. ATL's at .734, PHI at .737, FLA at .816 & WAS at .794. Of course, Piazza & Mientkiewicz's OPS's are higher than the average at their positions--Doug's at .760 & Piazza's at .798--but I assume the same is true of the other teams as well . . . If Doug is able to continue swinging a hot bat (.804 OPS in June, .894 in July, 1.800 in August) for the rest of the season (doubtful, but possible), we're in okay shape there. If he has trouble, we should probably just throw Valent in there, but the organization is apparently down on Valent, since he's still in AAA and WIlliams is still up here. The bigger problem is second, since Willie's given every indication that he'll stick with Cairo instead of trying out Matsui or one of the rookies, and Cairo's not likely to do much better than he has.

metsmarathon Aug 08 2005 01:01 PM

well, if i do a simple transposition of our 1b OPS and C OPS into the other's category, we'd have the 11th best C OPS and 13th best 1b OPS. i'm not sure if we've learned anything from this statement tho...

Edgy DC Aug 08 2005 01:27 PM

Well, I think we're getting too philosophical here. The point was to get a snapshot of where the Mets are succeeding relative to the league and where they're failing. Here's a quick shot of the rankings. c 1b 2b 3b ss lf cf rf 3 16 16 4 9 5 9 6 I don't think most reasonable expectations were of Piazza getting overpaid at the end of his contract.