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Mets - Brewers; 08/01/07 IGT

Frayed Knot Aug 01 2007 05:21 PM

The lineups got mixed up in the aborted St. Lucie IGT thread Reyes ss Castillo 2b Wright 3b Delgado 1b Alou lf Anderson cf Castro c Green rf Perez p Hart rf Hardy ss Braun 3b Fielder 1b Hall cf Mench lf Estrada c Graffanino 2b Vargas p

Edgy DC Aug 01 2007 05:23 PM

Thought that was going to serve as the IGT and re-titled it. I'll un-re-title it.

Frayed Knot Aug 01 2007 05:24 PM

I didn't see the re-titling. Use either one, I don't care.

Edgy DC Aug 01 2007 05:30 PM

I think we're in action here. Something's wrong with that lineup. Marlon Anderson is our centerfielder?

Kid Carsey Aug 01 2007 05:41 PM

My duh, I guess a saw IGT 8/1 and that was it.

bmfc1 Aug 01 2007 06:02 PM

Holy crap! Steve Phillips is doing color for ESPN tonight. ARGH!!!

Edgy DC Aug 01 2007 06:20 PM

Oliver Perez is not getting a defensive 1 on his Strat-o-Matic card. His footwork on that play was awful.

Edgy DC Aug 01 2007 06:20 PM

Let me know when that one lands.

Kid Carsey Aug 01 2007 06:21 PM

Fielder with a quick three-run DING-DONG of a bomb to center in the first. Throwing error by Perez and then this ... not good.

seawolf17 Aug 01 2007 06:25 PM

Ugly. Worse, because Fielder's pretty much carried my fantasy team this year, but that was really unnecessary.

Edgy DC Aug 01 2007 06:31 PM

Moises Alou, 8-19 against this guy in his career.

Edgy DC Aug 01 2007 06:33 PM

Cool, three straight hits and its 3-1. I thought Alomar would get Delgado cooked on that one.

bmfc1 Aug 01 2007 06:35 PM

KA-KA-KA...

Nymr83 Aug 01 2007 06:35 PM

Castro! no need to hurry back loduca

Kid Carsey Aug 01 2007 06:35 PM

Castro says DING-DONG this.

Edgy DC Aug 01 2007 06:36 PM

I agree with Nymr.

Johnny Dickshot Aug 01 2007 06:37 PM

Not like Perez doesn't deserve his error (he did) but I've made that fuckup as a pitcher before, and it's often because you spin around ready to throw before the guy covering has gotten there. I don't know if Castillo was late arriving or what but OP had no target when he was pulling the trigger.

Kid Carsey Aug 01 2007 06:39 PM

I was taught to just throw to the bag.

Johnny Dickshot Aug 01 2007 06:41 PM

Yabbut, if it's thrown to the bag is Castillo gonna get there? He hestitated when he didn;t see him and it fucked up his footwork and arm action

Edgy DC Aug 01 2007 06:42 PM

If Johnny has made the same mistake, I say Ollie's off the hook. Not that Paulie shouldn't be ahaking in his shinguards for his job right now --- he should --- but that was a serious hanging slider that Ramon hit out.

Johnny Dickshot Aug 01 2007 06:44 PM

I didn't say he was off the hook, I asked where Castillo was.

Kid Carsey Aug 01 2007 06:45 PM

I'm moving to Milwaukee, the food is cheaper at the ballpark.

Edgy DC Aug 01 2007 06:46 PM

Yeah, I know. How great must it feel for a Met pitcher to have a screwup inning like that and watch his offense go back out and grab the lead back for him the next inning.

Edgy DC Aug 01 2007 06:48 PM

Now there's a play I've made.

Nymr83 Aug 01 2007 06:50 PM

what did green just do?

Kid Carsey Aug 01 2007 06:51 PM

I'm not really being critical of anyone, it's just if you turn and throw at a stationary target and not try and throw it to a moving guy who is early or late or not there at all you've done your job and it's the job of the fielder to be there. The result would be the same only your throw sails over the bag instead of wherever else.

Johnny Dickshot Aug 01 2007 06:51 PM

We're not equipped to win a slugfest.

Farmer Ted Aug 01 2007 06:52 PM

Skates Green. Jeesh.

bmfc1 Aug 01 2007 06:53 PM

Green won a Gold Glove?

Nymr83 Aug 01 2007 06:59 PM

bmfc1 wrote: Green won a Gold Glove? Palmiero won a GG and spent most of the year as a DH. Removing GGs from your thinking entirely is generally wise.

bmfc1 Aug 01 2007 07:01 PM

For those of you in NY, I thought you should know that whenever A. Rodriguez comes up, ESPN leaves the Mets game! Between that and Steve Phillips, I love ESPN!

bmfc1 Aug 01 2007 07:06 PM

Fairchild didn't make enough bad calls at home last night, so he has to make more tonight?

bmfc1 Aug 01 2007 07:07 PM

KA-KA-KA...

Johnny Dickshot Aug 01 2007 07:07 PM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: We're not equipped to win a slugfest. You suck, Dickshot. You suck!

Kid Carsey Aug 01 2007 07:08 PM

Marlon says DING-DONG this. I'm fading, I feel like it's 11.

Edgy DC Aug 01 2007 07:10 PM

I'm loving this Vargas guy. Leaves non-breaking breaking pitches up in the zone. By the way, todays Met RBIs are brought to you by Regulars - 0 Reserves - 7

metsmarathon Aug 01 2007 07:55 PM

dink.

Edgy DC Aug 01 2007 07:57 PM

Welcome to the second half, Greenie. I think we are equipped to win a slugfest, but just haven't been acting like it. Reyes and Castillo getting infield hits is a nice thing too.

metsguyinmichigan Aug 01 2007 08:06 PM

Kid Carsey wrote: I'm moving to Milwaukee, the food is cheaper at the ballpark. It's actually a really nice place to see a game. We went last year. The food IS reasonable, and the brats with the secret stadium sauce is as good as advertised. They built a miniature stadium on the spot of County Stadium for Little League games. Lots of tailgating. A good time. Met Selig there, too.

Willets Point Aug 01 2007 08:08 PM

I have $1 on the bratwurst.

Willets Point Aug 01 2007 08:10 PM

Damn. Lost to the chorizo.

metsguyinmichigan Aug 01 2007 08:16 PM

Damn, not Mota. We only have a three-run lead.

Edgy DC Aug 01 2007 08:24 PM

Got to applaud Manny Parra. I haven't seen a bailout like this in ages.

holychicken Aug 01 2007 08:41 PM

Starting pitcher struggles, Mets put up 8 runs and Mota throws two inning of perfect relief. I must be asleep already.

metsguyinmichigan Aug 01 2007 08:42 PM

And I extend my apologies to Mr. Mota. He has not sucked tonight.

Johnny Dickshot Aug 01 2007 08:43 PM

He didn;t suck last night either.

Edgy DC Aug 01 2007 08:43 PM

Two bunt singles for Reyes.

Edgy DC Aug 01 2007 08:48 PM

Fine defense, but my applause is all for Parra. Wow.

Edgy DC Aug 01 2007 08:54 PM

C'mon, Sand-Guy, no runners.

holychicken Aug 01 2007 08:58 PM

I can only watch the game on MLB game day. . . but it seems a lot of balls are going to green and turning into hits. I imagine him botching every one of them.

metsguyinmichigan Aug 01 2007 09:04 PM

Phew! Wags gets it done, but he sure does make it scary.

Edgy DC Aug 01 2007 09:04 PM

holychicken Aug 01 2007 09:11 PM

Get with the times, edgy. . . Say hello to the NEW fonze: "Very nice, very nice!"

Edgy DC Aug 01 2007 09:58 PM

We're in Milwaukee, where there's no substitute for the Fonz.

Gwreck Aug 01 2007 10:31 PM

I didn't even need to see this game (except for the Castro blast, which happened exactly was I was passing the TV in the MSG concourse while at the Police concert -- what timing!) to know that Willie should never be allowed to put Marlon Anderson in centerfield.

Edgy DC Aug 01 2007 11:08 PM

Marlon was everything I could have hoped for.

Gwreck Aug 01 2007 11:55 PM

After reviewing the game, I'd tend to agree. And the offensive contribution is great. Does that still make it a sound strategic decision? Marlon's now up to 50 career CF innings with the 9 he played tonight.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 02 2007 06:35 AM

Edgy DC wrote: Oliver Perez is not getting a defensive 1 on his Strat-o-Matic card. His footwork on that play was awful. Maybe that was it. As I was watching, something made me expect the throwing error. When Perez grabbed the ball I was thinking "inning-ending double play" but before the ball left his hand I was anticipating an error. I rewound my TiVo and watched the play again to see if I could identify what it was I picked up on, but nothing seemed apparent to me. The Brewers announcers said something about his arm angle.

Willets Point Aug 02 2007 06:45 AM

I think Farmer Ted meant for his post in the PotG thread to go here. I he copies it over I'll delete the post in the PotG thread.

Edgy DC Aug 02 2007 07:18 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 02 2007 08:24 AM

="Gwreck"]After reviewing the game, I'd tend to agree. And the offensive contribution is great. Does that still make it a sound strategic decision? Marlon's now up to 50 career CF innings with the 9 he played tonight. Not particularly based on that, no (Nitice my objection in the IGT at the start of the game), but Willie's got to work with what he's got to work with. He can play Milledge for three weeks straight, or acknowledging the shortcomings still in his game, give him a blow two or three times over that period. Marlon is clearly faking it in centerfield, but there's questions about Milledge out there also (which he answered in part the previous game. But check out Vargas in Splitsville: Vs. RH Batters .240 BA / .295 OBP / .415 SLG // .710 OPS Vs. LH Batters .315 BA / .383 OBP / .533 SLG // .916 OPS If there was ever a night to sneak Marlon out there, this would be one. Willie's pretty vindicated this morning, and it was something more than dumb luck.

Johnny Dickshot Aug 02 2007 08:19 AM

Yeah. I prolly woulda firebombed Randolph myself last night had I the time. But he done good. Hopefully Thrilledge makes the next decision even harder.

metirish Aug 02 2007 10:54 AM

Edgy DC wrote: Got to applaud Manny Parra. I haven't seen a bailout like this in ages. That was brilliant to watch,not quite Pedro 99 but a super effort.

Edgy DC Aug 02 2007 11:12 AM

Greatest bailout ever was this. The Yankees gassed their pen in a 14-inning game the night before, and Neil Allen is all they have available in the pen the next day. Rookie Al Leiter gives up a leadoff hit and comes up hurt, and Allen comes on in relief, and goes the distance. I think the rules at the time credited him with a complete game and a shutout, despite him not getting the start. Maybe not. The records now, though, give him the shutout, but not the complete game.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 02 2007 11:23 AM

A relief pitcher can get a shutout? A shutout doesn't have to be a complete game? Both of those are new to me. It's weird to think that Neil Allen relieved Al Leiter. It seems like an anachronism somehow, based on the years that each was with the Mets.

OlerudOwned Aug 03 2007 07:30 AM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: A relief pitcher can get a shutout? A shutout doesn't have to be a complete game? Both of those are new to me. It's weird to think that Neil Allen relieved Al Leiter. It seems like an anachronism somehow, based on the years that each was with the Mets. Leiter hadn't recorded an out, so I guess it is a complete game.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 03 2007 07:39 AM

Yeah, but to pitch a complete game you don't have to be the only one to get an out, you have to be the only pitcher. Let's say a starter gets pulled from the game in the bottom of the ninth with two outs. The tying run is on base. The relief pitcher comes in and (BOOM!) gives up a walkoff homer. Our starter was the only pitcher who recorded any outs, but I certainly wouldn't call that a complete game. He walked off the mound and somebody else came in. This reminds me of Babe Ruth pitching a perfect game in relief of Ernie Shore way back in the day. I think that was credited at the time as a no-hitter, but not as a shutout or complete game. But I'm not sure of that.

Edgy DC Aug 03 2007 07:49 AM

Well, the stats show that it was a shutout, but not a complete game, so it may make sense.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 03 2007 08:05 AM

Official rules say: ]10.18 Shutouts A shutout is a statistic credited to a pitcher who allows no runs in a game. No pitcher shall be credited with pitching a shutout unless he pitches the complete game, or unless he enters the game with none out before the opposing team has scored in the first inning, puts out the side without a run scoring and pitches the rest of the game without allowing a run. When two or more pitchers combine to pitch a shutout, the league statistician shall make a notation to that effect in the league's official pitching records.

Edgy DC Aug 03 2007 08:46 AM

Conflict management Yost's rebuke prompts irate defense By TOM HAUDRICOURT thaudricourt@journalsentinel.com Posted: Aug. 2, 2007 The altercation in the Milwaukee Brewers' dugout Thursday afternoon at Miller Park wasn't a dispute between manager Ned Yost and catcher Johnny Estrada, as it appeared when captured by a television camera. Johnny Estrada walks past Ned Yost in the eighth inning. They had exchanged heated words an inning earlier. What actually happened was that infielder Tony Graffanino, then Estrada, came to the defense of a teammate who they thought had been unfairly singled out by Yost for poor play. In an interview with the Journal Sentinel later in the day, Yost confirmed that Graffanino and Estrada were defending a teammate. Yost said it was unfortunate the incident was being interpreted by some as a problem between him and Estrada. "Nothing could be farther from the truth," Yost said. "For Johnny Estrada to be portrayed as the villain in this, as somebody who instigated it, is not even close. To be honest, Johnny stepped up to protect his teammates." The dugout incident occurred in the bottom of the seventh inning of the Brewers' 12-4 loss to the New York Mets. One of the cameras from the New York television broadcast showed Estrada and Yost yelling at each other while being separated by coaches Dale Sveum and Mike Maddux and players Ben Sheets, Dave Bush and Graffanino. What the cameras didn't show was the beginning of the argument, when Graffanino complained to Yost about what he considered unnecessarily harsh comments to one of the players. In the top of the inning, the Brewers surrendered three runs, all charged to reliever Carlos Villanueva, with shortstop J.J. Hardy muffing a grounder in the hole by Lastings Milledge that was ruled a hit and an error. Yost admitted that he castigated his players for not playing with enough intensity and focus but said he didn't mean to single out one player. It was interpreted that way by Graffanino, however, and Estrada then joined the fray to back both Graffanino and his other teammate. "That's what happened," Yost said. "I was upset with the way we were playing, not just in that game but over the last 10 days. I was frustrated; everybody was frustrated. It was my frustration boiling over to the team." Then, referring to Graffanino and Estrada, Yost added, "To their credit, they said something about it." The Brewers, who led the Chicago Cubs by 7½ games in the NL Central on June 30, stumbled through a 2-6 trip to Cincinnati and St. Louis last week, losing four times in the opponents' final at-bat. After returning home and claiming a stirring 13-inning victory over the Mets Tuesday night on Geoff Jenkins' walk-off home run, the Brewers absorbed an 8-5 defeat Wednesday. That setback erased the last of the Brewers' margin over the Cubs, dropping them a percentage point behind Chicago in the division race. Both teams lost Thursday, with the Cubs bowing to Philadelphia, 10-6. After the game, the players involved in the incident either declined comment or said they didn't see what happened. "Nothing really happened," said Graffanino, who joked that players were debating which gift to buy for upcoming baby showers and children's birthdays. "It's getting blown out of proportion. We're not playing like we're capable of playing. That's all it boils down to. If we play like this, what do we deserve? If we play like we're capable of playing, we'll see." Veteran outfielder Geoff Jenkins said frustrations sometimes lead to heated words and emotions reaching a boiling point. "Any time you lose games, it's frustrating," he said. "We'll stick together. We'll be fine." General manager Doug Melvin said he spoke with Yost about the confrontation after the game and saw no reason for disciplinary measures against any player. "There's some frustration within our ballclub," Melvin said. "A couple of players get upset, then the manager gets upset. We saw a little of that exploding today. It was nothing more than letting it out. "When we took over this ballclub five years ago, people told me we had players that didn't care. I don't think anybody can say that about this team, after today." Rather than being upset with Graffanino and Estrada, Yost said he actually admired them for coming to the defense of a teammate. And, realizing that Estrada had been criticized at times in Arizona last year for disagreements with manager Bob Melvin and certain teammates, Yost said it was unfair to single out his catcher in this circumstance. "Johnny is a competitor and a 'gamer' and plays to win," Yost said. "He doesn't care about anything else. He's out there to win. "That's why I respect Johnny as a player. He's not here to make friends. He's here to win ball games. That's what I really like about Johnny."

metirish Aug 03 2007 08:52 AM

Looks like all concerned handled that situation well.