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IGT 8/5/07 - Mets at Cubs - Glavine Goes for Win #300 Redux

Gwreck Aug 05 2007 05:01 PM

New York Mets Reyes SS Castillo 2B Wright 3B Delgado 1B Alou LF Green RF LoDuca C Milledge CF Glavine P Chicago Cubs Alfonso Soriano LF Ryan Theriot SS Derrek Lee 1B Aramis Ramirez 3B Cliff Floyd LF Mark DeRosa 2B Angel Pagan CF Jason Kendall C Jason Marquis P

Frayed Knot Aug 05 2007 05:09 PM

"LoDuca - C" Willie's a Liar!!! Players dictating lineups to the manager!!! Cats and dogs living together!!! Apocolypse NOW!!!! Or not.

Edgy DC Aug 05 2007 05:57 PM

Blacked me the heck out.

metirish Aug 05 2007 06:05 PM

Joe Morgan - "Jon,one of the reasons the Cubs are so good is that they brought in new players over the off season,Soriano,Lilly...."..

metirish Aug 05 2007 06:09 PM

Willie sporting the Mets arm sling to go with his Mets watch.

Zvon Aug 05 2007 06:20 PM

ugh-Alou swings at junk.

metirish Aug 05 2007 06:21 PM

Men on first and third with two out for Alou,looked terrible getting struck out. Miller talking like Marquis and Glavine were great buddies in Atlanta,but didn't they have a fallen out,at least in the eyes of Marquis?

Edgy DC Aug 05 2007 06:22 PM

Gameday practically had a tin can icon standing in for that pitch. Feck it. I'm heading to a bar to watch me some ESPN history.

Rockin' Doc Aug 05 2007 06:22 PM

Both the Mets and Glavine need this win tonight. I would like to see some early scoring by the good guys.

metirish Aug 05 2007 06:27 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Gameday practically had a tin can icon standing in for that pitch. Feck it. I'm heading to a bar to watch me some ESPN history. Great idea,have fun.

Zvon Aug 05 2007 06:36 PM

Woohoo. Crazy stealing second with 2 out and pitcher up pays off as Glav drives in Millidge with a single up the middle. mets up, 1-0.

metsguyinmichigan Aug 05 2007 06:43 PM

Nice highlight of Glavine skulling Bonds. Just got back from Chicago. My Mets-in-person-winless streak continues, but it's always a thrill to see the boys in person.

Gwreck Aug 05 2007 06:52 PM

I was seriously considering keeping track of all the inaccurate and/or stupid things said by Miller and Morgan tonight. Most recently: "Soriano hit 40 homers playing in RFK stadium" (Actually, Jon, he played half his games there, and hit fewer than half his homers there).

metsguyinmichigan Aug 05 2007 07:00 PM

My 10-year-old just said (wishfully) "Oscar the Cat is in the Cubs' dugout!"

Zvon Aug 05 2007 07:04 PM

WHOA Soriano goes down! Rally never happens! BIG BIG BIG

metsguyinmichigan Aug 05 2007 07:05 PM

Yikes (if you're a Cubs fan)

Gwreck Aug 05 2007 07:05 PM

That's gonna be 6 weeks. At least.

metsguyinmichigan Aug 05 2007 07:06 PM

metsguyinmichigan wrote: My 10-year-old just said (wishfully) "Oscar the Cat is in the Cubs' dugout!" Wow! She was right!

Zvon Aug 05 2007 07:09 PM

Gwreck wrote: That's gonna be 6 weeks. At least. They r saying it could be just a cramp, and I can see that. But ive never had a cramp like that while in motion. Just after maybe. If hes down for any period of time this is huge. Esp fantasy baseball wise (hes on my bros team and we are in a seesaw battle this week.He has Soriano going tonight, I have 3rd basebman Ramirez)

Zvon Aug 05 2007 07:11 PM

I figured letting loDuke outta the gate tonight was good, and his bat would be fresh and productive. Not as of yet. 0-2, weak grounders both.

Rockin' Doc Aug 05 2007 07:11 PM

Bad break for Soiano and the Cubs. That looked like a pretty bad quad blowout. Upon edit: Glad to hear that it may have just been a cramp.

Zvon Aug 05 2007 07:13 PM

think they'll try the 2 out pitcher up steal again?

Zvon Aug 05 2007 07:17 PM

Rockin' Doc wrote: Upon edit: Glad to hear that it may have just been a cramp. well, this was just speculation from the booth,so.... But the way he continued to run and just lifted that leg made me think maybe they are rignt. Ever have the muscle turn over like a twisted pretzel in there. Ouch. Official word just in: Quad pull.

Gwreck Aug 05 2007 07:21 PM

Interestingly, Willie revealed during his in-game interview with Morgan and Miller that Lastings actually had the red light there when he stole with Glavine up.

Gwreck Aug 05 2007 07:23 PM

Morgan just said that Luis Castillo had been playing his whole career in the American League and therefore was unfamiliar with Wrigley. Right, Joe. Except the 7 years he played with Florida. You might recall the two world series champion teams he was on.

Zvon Aug 05 2007 07:26 PM

Gwreck wrote: Interestingly, Willie revealed during his in-game interview with Morgan and Miller that Lastings actually had the red light there when he stole with Glavine up. very interesting. And disturbing. Glad it worked out

Rockin' Doc Aug 05 2007 07:30 PM

Castillo grabs his second wind blown pop up of the evening. Joe Morgan promptly misinforms the viewing audience that Castillo had played his entire career in the American League, so he isn't familiar with the winds at Wrigley. Jon Miller, of course, just follows along on the same stream of unconsciousness by adding that Castillo spent most of his time playing in the Metrodome so he isn't accustomed to Wrigley. According to Morgan, the winds always bring high pop ups down the right field line back toward the field of play. Morons.

metsguyinmichigan Aug 05 2007 07:30 PM

Zvon wrote: ="Gwreck"]Interestingly, Willie revealed during his in-game interview with Morgan and Miller that Lastings actually had the red light there when he stole with Glavine up. very interesting. And disturbing. Glad it worked out hell, you KNOW Rickey Henderson is over there saying "Rickey thinks you can make it...GO!"

Frayed Knot Aug 05 2007 07:31 PM

Nice tag by little Luis ... caught Pagan napping there.

Frayed Knot Aug 05 2007 07:32 PM

and it winds up stealing a run !!

metsguyinmichigan Aug 05 2007 07:32 PM

Nice rip by Carlos!

Zvon Aug 05 2007 07:33 PM

metsguyinmichigan wrote: hell, you KNOW Rickey Henderson is over there saying "Rickey thinks you can make it...GO!" lol. That tag by Castillo ends up BIG as Delgado doubles him in. Nice slap by CarlosDee. Mets up 2-0

Zvon Aug 05 2007 07:38 PM

Green just clears DeRosa's glove with a drive to right :) Delgado scores. Things r lookin good. Another weak ground out by LoDuke. :( I expected him to be a big factor in this game and really wanted him in there tonight. No matter. Mets have a 3-0 lead.

Rockin' Doc Aug 05 2007 07:38 PM

Green rips a hard liner to deep right centerfield. DeRosa takes a bad angle on a ball that probably could have been caught and the Mets get Delgado home.

Frayed Knot Aug 05 2007 07:42 PM

We're getting a coupla breaks here: - I think Milledge was going to be out if Pagan handles that Glavine single - Soriano likely would have been safe at 3rd (although 'twas a nice throw by Milledge as it turned out) - and then the replacement chain that went into effect after the Soriano injury put an infielder in RF and got Green his double. ... but we're also taking advantage of them (which is never a given) and forcing the issue in a couple of cases with agressive baserunning (Milledge's steal, Castillo's tag) so yay for us.

Gwreck Aug 05 2007 07:46 PM

Nice double down the line to start the 6th for Milledge. 2 hits, and a walk. Nice.

Gwreck Aug 05 2007 07:47 PM

Zvon wrote: ="Gwreck"]Interestingly, Willie revealed during his in-game interview with Morgan and Miller that Lastings actually had the red light there when he stole with Glavine up. very interesting. And disturbing. Glad it worked out I do like that the runners are not afraid to be aggressive. Still perhaps not the best possible play.

Frayed Knot Aug 05 2007 07:50 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 05 2007 07:51 PM

Marquis de Sad tonight. It's now a battle of the lefty 47's. Let's let the Eyre out of this guy!

Rockin' Doc Aug 05 2007 07:51 PM

Marquis' night is done. The Mets lead 4-0 and looking for more.

metsguyinmichigan Aug 05 2007 07:54 PM

Second double steal in two days. Rickey is loving this!

Frayed Knot Aug 05 2007 07:54 PM

That's 4 times on base for Castillo tonight. He and Milledge = 5-for-5 w/2 walks.

Zvon Aug 05 2007 07:56 PM

Frayed Knot wrote: - I think Milledge was going to be out if Pagan handles that Glavine single Agreed.he was shallow and when he charged it he was in a great position to cut Lastings down. I jumped in my chair when he flubbed it :) ="Gwreck"] I do like that the runners are not afraid to be aggressive. Still perhaps not the best possible play. In a situation like that, for a relatively inexperienced rook to take that upon himself,in a spot like that, in a game like this, disturbs me. But since Glavine came thru I guess I shouldnt be making an issue of it. So I won't. Mets score again. :) BIG double steal. Delgado can break it open here.

Gwreck Aug 05 2007 08:00 PM

2 IBBs this inning. Lou relying heavily on the lefty-lefty advantagefor his pitcher.

Zvon Aug 05 2007 08:02 PM

aww, Delgado. At least the weak groundout plates a run. 5 run spread makes this a different kinda ball game now. bases blotto w/Mets. Come on Green! Ugh--grounds out. hey, Ill take what we got. Mets leading 5-0 w/th 4 innings to go.

Frayed Knot Aug 05 2007 08:03 PM

]In a situation like that, for a relatively inexperienced rook to take that upon himself,in a spot like that, in a game like this, disturbs me. The way Willie was talking about it he gave the red light but Milledge (or maybe Rickey) saw something and took advantage. The Cubs were probably so sure that he wasn't going either that they scarcely gave him a glance. I suspect that's one of those things where you're allowed to go if you pick up on something despite the red light, but there'd be hell to pay if/when you don't make it.

Rockin' Doc Aug 05 2007 08:04 PM

I thought Green's hard ground ball through the box was headed for centerfield for 2 more Mets runs. Theriot must have been shading him up the middle.

Frayed Knot Aug 05 2007 08:06 PM

Fontenot and Theriot: The Cajun Connection Two French names and both from Louisiana

metsguyinmichigan Aug 05 2007 08:09 PM

="Zvon"] Frayed Knot wrote: In a situation like that, for a relatively inexperienced rook to take that upon himself,in a spot like that, in a game like this, disturbs me. I was only half-kidding when I was talking about Rickey. I bet he has a big role in this new aggressiveness. Kid Carsey Aug 05 2007 08:14 PM Smoltz on the ESPNhorn ... gimme a break. They stop at nothing. Zvon Aug 05 2007 08:15 PM wow--I root for the Mets ahead of my fantasy team everytime, but that Ramirez RBI just gave me that catogory (was tied 32-32) and Soriano isnt in to answer back. Yay for me :). But the Cubs score and Glavine's up to 97 pitches. Does he stay in? They have some breathing room to play with here. WOW--Kerry Wood in to pitch for Cubs. metsguyinmichigan Aug 05 2007 08:18 PM Maybe they should move Lastings up in the order again. Rockin' Doc Aug 05 2007 08:18 PM Glavine strikes out Floyd with the seldom used curve to get out of the 6th. Mets lead 5-1 and Glavine's 300th victory will again be in the hands of the bullpen. Zvon Aug 05 2007 08:19 PM metsguyinmichigan wrote: I was only half-kidding when I was talking about Rickey. I bet he has a big role in this new aggressiveness. I wouldnt mind seeing that at all. And im a fan of aggressive baseball. But a red lights a red light.lol Lastings with his 3rd hit :). And Tommy stays in:) I bet if one more Cub reaches at anytime from here on out he gets the hook. And thats if they dont pull him anyway, and were just saving a pinch hitter there. Nice bunt moves Milledge over Gwreck Aug 05 2007 08:20 PM I would've pinch hit for Glavine (with Gotay? Anderson? We have good lefty options on the bench). This will bug me more, especially if -- as projected above -- he gets pulled if a single Cub reaches base next inning. Zvon Aug 05 2007 08:22 PM really nice to see Kerry Wood pitching. I say let Glav continue until he hits a bump of any kind, but I bet he's dun for the night. We'll see after this word from their sponsers. metsguyinmichigan Aug 05 2007 08:23 PM I bet Willie gives him every chance to take this one to the end. Rockin' Doc Aug 05 2007 08:24 PM I truthfully don't expect Glavine to even come out to start the 7th. I think just left him in to bunt because he such a proficient bunter. Kid Carsey Aug 05 2007 08:24 PM Z: >>>WOW--Kerry Wood in to pitch for Cubs<<< Oh come on, hardly WOW worthy. Zvon Aug 05 2007 08:25 PM Glavine stays :) And Wright already bails him out with a nice play but-----awww, Pagan doubles. Dang. Rockin' Doc Aug 05 2007 08:26 PM Shows how much I know. Glavine gets a quick out to open the 7th. Pagan follows with a 1 out double and Glavine's night is now done. Zvon Aug 05 2007 08:27 PM ="Kid Carsey"]Z: >>>WOW--Kerry Wood in to pitch for Cubs<<< Oh come on, hardly WOW worthy. Im easily WOWd. :) One bump and Tommys done. :( Now--if we dont hold this lead--4ghettaboutIT. Ill say the opposite of WOW. Gwreck Aug 05 2007 08:29 PM With the bottom of the order up, an extra day of rest before his next start, and a 4 run lead, I thought Willie gave him too quick of a hook. His pitch count was only 102 at that point, too. Frayed Knot Aug 05 2007 08:29 PM Well, that's one out past where he got last time ... he just leaves with a bigger lead in this one. C'mon Mota, I just sang your praises in another thread. Justify our newly found faith in you. metsguyinmichigan Aug 05 2007 08:29 PM Yikes, first-pitch yips again from Mota... Kid Carsey Aug 05 2007 08:32 PM They gotta make this thing stick, fans have no dog in this quest for 300 and neither do the the Mets really in this week of dumb landmarks. OE: in other words .. let's get it over with already. metsguyinmichigan Aug 05 2007 08:35 PM Horrible. Gwreck Aug 05 2007 08:37 PM Kid Carsey wrote: OE: in other words .. let's get it over with already. Agreed. The sticky stituation now makes not PHing for Glavine with 1 man on and 1 out even that more stupid. Rockin' Doc Aug 05 2007 08:37 PM The Mets bullpen seems determined to make this game exciting. Willie signals for Heilman to relieve Feliciano who had relieved Mota. I hope we don't burn the entire pen finishing out this game. Rockin' Doc Aug 05 2007 08:39 PM Heilman gets Theriot to harmlessly fly out to Milledge in centerfield. Mets lead now 5-3 through 7. DocTee Aug 05 2007 08:42 PM ZVON: ]Now--if we dont hold this lead--4ghettaboutIT. Ill say the opposite of WOW . MOM? What's she gotta do with it? Frayed Knot Aug 05 2007 08:42 PM Castillo & Milledge now 7-for-7 with two walks !! Gwreck Aug 05 2007 08:43 PM "When the season is over, I'm sure you'll see him stealing bases as well as Reyes does." Joe Morgan on Luis Castillo, top of the 8th. Morgan = imbecile. Zvon Aug 05 2007 08:44 PM Rockin' Doc wrote: I hope we don't burn the entire pen finishing out this game. Dont see how we can burn em out when two throw 3 pitches and one throws 7. But Heilman will probly get the 8th, and he better do the do. Tho Sosa is up...hmmm. Castillo with his 4th hit :). Lets get that insurance. I wanna be able to breath thru the 8th. Gwreck Aug 05 2007 08:44 PM Frayed Knot wrote: Castillo & Milledge now 7-for-7 with two walks !! 7-8. Castillo grounded out to second to end the 2nd inning. metsguyinmichigan Aug 05 2007 08:45 PM Wright and Castillo trying to make the game pen-proof. Gwreck Aug 05 2007 08:46 PM Wright napping on that double-steal attempt. Double off the wall for Delgado!!! Rockin' Doc Aug 05 2007 08:48 PM Zvon - "Dont see how we can burn em out when two throw 3 pitches and one throws 7." I was thinking only in tterms of this game. Delgado drives in Castro with a double off the ivy in RCF. 6-3 Mets and still no outs with runners at second and third. Zvon Aug 05 2007 08:49 PM ="DocTee"]ZVON: ]Now--if we dont hold this lead--4ghettaboutIT. Ill say the opposite of WOW . MOM? What's she gotta do with it? Ha. I was thinking in terms of reverse and that would make WOW still WOW. But none of those words will suffice if the Mets dont win this game. BIG HUGE GIANT double by Delgado and the Mets get one right back. If Wright followed up on Castillos steal we have had 2. Ill take one at a time tho. More please.... Rockin' Doc Aug 05 2007 08:49 PM Green has a chance to put the Cubs out of their misery with an extrabase hit. Frayed Knot Aug 05 2007 08:49 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Aug 05 2007 08:51 PM This is where you'd want a decent RH hitter to go up for Green vs a LHP and then stay in for defense. That's what Ben Johnson was hoped to become, or maybe Chip Ambres. Or even Milledge if Beltran was starting. * And I just became Rocky Swoboda!! Kid Carsey Aug 05 2007 08:49 PM Delgado's pullin' the ball off the crappy part of the bat and reaching the ivy is encouraging apmorris Aug 05 2007 08:50 PM hey guys Zvon Aug 05 2007 08:53 PM apmorris wrote: hey guys Hey AP. Pull up a chair. Or squeeze in between the Kid and FrayedKnot on the couch there. History is in the making :) Rockin' Doc Aug 05 2007 08:53 PM Green strikes out on a breaking ball well outside. LoDuca delivers a line drive single to left. metsguyinmichigan Aug 05 2007 08:54 PM Paulie justifies his carping about not playing. Zvon Aug 05 2007 08:55 PM real nice piece of hitting by Paul. All runs are big here. Lastings pops out and Marlon gets a chance to keep it goin. Rockin' Doc Aug 05 2007 08:55 PM Two outs as Milledge out on infiled fly rule. Bases juiced for Anderson. Frayed Knot Aug 05 2007 08:55 PM No Joe, we're not getting Wagner up yet, it's only the 8th inning. Dang! We were one more hit from blowing that thing open. apmorris Aug 05 2007 08:57 PM metsguyinmichigan wrote: Paulie justifies his carping about not playing. yep Gwreck Aug 05 2007 08:57 PM Frayed Knot wrote: No Joe, we're not getting Wagner up yet, it's only the 8th inning. Joe Morgan = dummkopf. Rockin' Doc Aug 05 2007 08:58 PM It looks like it will be Sosa coming in to pitch the 8th. Personally, I wouldn't mind a quick 1-2-3 inning. metsguyinmichigan Aug 05 2007 08:58 PM What the heck happened to Castillo? Gwreck Aug 05 2007 08:59 PM Luis Castillo is hurt. Helped down the stairs from the dugout by the trainer. Guess he strained something running home on Delgado's double? Or on the steal of 3rd? Gotay in. Gratuitous shot of Omar and his family with Jeff Wilpon. apmorris Aug 05 2007 09:00 PM Castillo abdominal strain? on that steal? Zvon Aug 05 2007 09:00 PM Gotay playing second. Luis helped into clubhouse. Wonder what happened to Castillo. Woohoo, Reyes slips and still throws out Lee! Nice play. Gwreck Aug 05 2007 09:07 PM Looks like McClelland will take over behind the plate as Marty Foster was injured on the foul off his mask. Zvon Aug 05 2007 09:08 PM Ump is knocked out of the game. I wanna say WoW but Ill refrain. That open mic on meeting with Cub trainer was awsum. He couldnt see for a little bit? WoW. Frayed Knot Aug 05 2007 09:08 PM I like how the ump wanted to stay in cuz it was only affecting his eyesight. metsguyinmichigan Aug 05 2007 09:08 PM Cool graphic about the 300-game winners. We're one day removed from the anniversary of Seaver's moment. Zvon Aug 05 2007 09:09 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 05 2007 09:10 PM Its amazing what anyone behind the plate goes through tho. If I was hit with a foul like that it would simply take my head off. And the ump will try to stay in. Who is this guy? I like him. Hes a gamer. Rockin' Doc Aug 05 2007 09:10 PM Home plate ump, Marty Foster, gets TKO'd by a foul tip to the face mask. Temporary break in the action while the crew chief suits up to go behind the plate for the final seven outs. Zvon Aug 05 2007 09:12 PM OK. One inning to go. *crosses fingers,toes,legs,eyes,testicles,internal organs,... metsguyinmichigan Aug 05 2007 09:14 PM Glavine's wife is getting more camera time than Glavine did. Rockin' Doc Aug 05 2007 09:14 PM Foster back behind the plate. Reyes opens the ninth with a triple. Zvon Aug 05 2007 09:14 PM mark the date! I have reached avatar status! Finally! Ill create a thread for my acceptance speech. Alls i can say right now is....drumroll plz.. WOW Frayed Knot Aug 05 2007 09:15 PM Memo to Dempster: We own your ass Gwreck Aug 05 2007 09:18 PM Joe Morgan prattling on about how Wagner will come in to preserve the 300th, etc etc. Maybe, but it's also because he hasn't pitched in a couple games, there's a day off tomorrow, etc...he'd probably be pitching anyway. Zvon Aug 05 2007 09:20 PM Reyes scores :). Very nice. Delgado has 4 ribbys and tagged that liner. Yea, definately bring in Wags. This isnt just any game here. Frayed Knot Aug 05 2007 09:21 PM Delgado hit the snot outta that Sac "Fly". There are some small signs lately that he's starting to come around. Not enough of them yet, but they're coming around a little more frequently. Rockin' Doc Aug 05 2007 09:21 PM Delgado absolutely smoked that line drive out to right field. Unfortunately it was right at Murton. Still it easily plates Reyes with the Mets 8th run of the night. 8-3 Mets lead with only 3 outs to go. Frayed Knot Aug 05 2007 09:21 PM Hey Jon Miller, any idea if Glavine's family is there tonight? Rockin' Doc Aug 05 2007 09:23 PM Angel Pagan flies out to Green for the first out. Zvon Aug 05 2007 09:29 PM !!! Frayed Knot Aug 05 2007 09:29 PM Good job boys. Keep on taking those 2-of-3s apmorris Aug 05 2007 09:29 PM metsmarathon Aug 05 2007 09:29 PM yay metsguyinmichigan Aug 05 2007 09:31 PM Nice shots of Paulie and the game ball, Glavine with his kids! Gwreck Aug 05 2007 09:33 PM 5th straight series we've either won or tied. I like. Zvon Aug 05 2007 09:34 PM Thank You ESPN for taking a break from the Barry Bonds show to display this game, and especially that last after game lil celebratory hug fest culminating with the Glavine family. very nice. TransMonk Aug 05 2007 09:41 PM Congrats to Tommy! Great game and pretty decent road trip, especially offensively. Bring on the Bravos. Edgy DC Aug 05 2007 10:04 PM Beers: $10. Onion Rings: $5. Dessert: $10. Seeing Tom Glavine win Number 300: About $25, plus a tip. Marty Foster gets the win and Tim McClelland the save. Rockin' Doc Aug 06 2007 05:36 AM Alfonso Soriano is expected to miss a minimum of two weeks and possibbly as much as a month due to the right quadriceps strain he suffered last night while attempting to go from first to third on a Ryan Theriot single. That's a tough break for the Cubs and a major blow to their offense. metirish Aug 06 2007 06:56 AM Congrats to Glavine. Not even Joe Morgan could ruin this night. Willets Point Aug 06 2007 08:56 AM Glavine stats. Willets Point Aug 06 2007 12:56 PM Anyone want to split the Wally Matthews section into a different thread? Edgy DC Aug 06 2007 01:00 PM Fire. Willets Point Aug 06 2007 01:21 PM Now people may pay more attention to the cool stats I posted in honor of Glavine's 300th win (which sadly I missed seeing). Edgy DC Aug 06 2007 01:25 PM Always nice to get a Kurt Manwaring reference. Mariano Duncan, man. Centerfield Aug 06 2007 01:54 PM Gwreck wrote: "When the season is over, I'm sure you'll see him stealing bases as well as Reyes does." Joe Morgan on Luis Castillo, top of the 8th. Morgan = imbecile. ="Frayed Knot"]No Joe, we're not getting Wagner up yet, it's only the 8th inning. Joe was in rare form, even for Joe, last night. Other highlights included his gaffe about Castillo being a career American Leaguer and his brilliant statement that being aggressive on the basepaths is always beneficial as long as you don't run into outs. Willets Point Aug 06 2007 02:13 PM Centerfield wrote: his brilliant statement that being aggressive on the basepaths is always beneficial as long as you don't run into outs. That's how he earned the title Master of the Obvious from me.