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2007 Met Game Scores

Edgy DC Aug 10 2007 12:12 PM

i was thinking about Game Scores today, as I noticed one in a box score I read. And I wondered which Met starters have had the best and worst starts, as measured by this stat. For the unitiiated, Game Scores were inventd by Bill James to measure the most dominant starts by pitchers. This definition is stolen from another site. Start with 50 points. Add 1 point for each out recorded, (3 points per inning). Add 2 points for each inning completed after the 4th. Add 1 point for each strikeout. Subtract 2 points for each hit allowed. Subtract 4 points for each earned run allowed. Subtract 2 points for each unearned run allowed. Subtract 1 point for each walk. An advanced pitching statistic developed by Bill James used to measure how dominant a pitcher performed in each game he pitched. Often referred to as "Ryanicity" since Nolan Ryan and his multiple no-hitters were amongst the best Game Scores ever recorded until Kerry Wood threw his twenty strikeout game in 1998. The strikeouts in that game combined with the lack of hits (1) made it better than a perfect game as the statistics rewards dominance (strikes) and lack of hits while penalizing for walks. Who among 2007 Met pitchers with more than 10 starts, has the top average game score? __________________ Who among 2007 Met pitchers with more than 10 starts, has the lowest average game score? __________________ What are the top 10 game scores accomplished by Met pitchers this year? __________________ __________________ __________________ __________________ __________________ __________________ __________________ __________________ __________________ __________________ What are the lowest 10 game scores accomplished by Met pitchers this year? __________________ __________________ __________________ __________________ __________________ __________________ __________________ __________________ __________________ __________________ Best start by a guy called up to fill in? __________________ No, I don't expect you to know dates. I'll accept answers like "That cold night in April in San Francisco when Sosa walked the planet" or "Duque striking out 10 in Chicago at the end of July." Try and get me the pitcher, the opponent, and the approximate time of year, and we'll figure it out together.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 10 2007 12:28 PM

I'll guess that the best call-up score was by Brian Lawrence last week.

Edgy DC Aug 10 2007 12:29 PM

Nihil.

Edgy DC Aug 10 2007 12:45 PM

There have been three better.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 10 2007 12:46 PM

Vargas' first start?

Edgy DC Aug 10 2007 12:49 PM

Lawrence's start had a game score of 42. Vargas' first, on May 17, did indeed top that, with a 47. Two guys got called up and did better.

metsguyinmichigan Aug 10 2007 01:24 PM

I'm going to guess that Sosa's game against the Tigers was perhaps our best start of the year. Wasn't that a complete game shutout? Or did he go eight and let Wags close the door?

Willets Point Aug 10 2007 01:28 PM

Game scores are cool. I use them for awarding Schaefer points.

Edgy DC Aug 10 2007 01:30 PM

That's the spirit. MetsGuy doesn't want this to be the worst quiz of the year. Sosa threw eight shutout. walked two, whiffed five, good four the fourth best game score of the year. Who among Met pitchers with more than 10 starts, has the top average game score? __________________ Who among Met pitchers with more than 10 starts, has the lowest average game score? __________________ What are the top 10 game scores accomplished by Met pitchers this year? __________________ __________________ __________________ 4) Sosa, 77, 6/8, @ Det __________________ __________________ __________________ __________________ __________________ __________________ What are the lowest 10 game scores accomplished by Met pitchers this year? __________________ __________________ __________________ __________________ __________________ __________________ __________________ __________________ __________________ __________________ Best start by a guy called up to fill in? __________________

metsmarathon Aug 10 2007 01:31 PM

Willets Point wrote: Game scores are cool. I use them for awarding Schaefer points. hmm, i should find a way to add them into my methodology... i wonder if there's a good way to do something similar for relievers?

metsguyinmichigan Aug 10 2007 01:39 PM

Ah! El Duque vs the A's in June 1-0. I know he didn't complete the game, but I think he struck out a bunch of people.

Edgy DC Aug 10 2007 01:44 PM

A very good start --- seven innings, six hits, one walk, seven strikeouts --- but not quite one of the top ten. Game score was 71. Unfortuantely for that bold performance, the formula doesn't consider hos slim the margin you're working with is.

DocTee Aug 10 2007 01:52 PM

Top Average: John Maine Low Average: Mike Pelfrey Worst Game: Pelfrey vs. Washington

metirish Aug 10 2007 01:54 PM

I'm one of the uninitiated ,it's a fascinating formula . Oliver Perez against the Brewers in Milwaukee,pitched in to the ninth..start of May?

metsguyinmichigan Aug 10 2007 01:55 PM

Maine in late April vs the Nats -- three hits and 8 ks!

Benjamin Grimm Aug 10 2007 01:56 PM

Hernandez vs. the A's was tied for 10th best Schaefer score this year. (4.71 points.) Sosa vs. Detroit was third with 5.23 points. I can post the Schaefer Top Ten, but I don't want to spoil the quiz here. I'll just go this far: I'll throw the highest Schaefer score into the ring and see where it lands: Orlando Hernandez, April 3 vs. St. Louis, 1 ER in 7 innings. 5 hits, 2 walks, no strikeouts. 5.56 Schaefer points.

metsmarathon Aug 10 2007 01:56 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 10 2007 01:59 PM

the three highest rated starts, per my formula, are as follows: maine 24 july - 25.7 glavine 22 june - 24.7 ohernandez 17 july - 23.0 surely some of these must populate the list... and my top starter is, surprise, john maine, while my bottom starter would be sosa. ...edited to not ruin fun...

Benjamin Grimm Aug 10 2007 01:57 PM

metirish wrote: I'm one of the uninitiated ,it's a fascinating formula . Oliver Perez against the Brewers in Milwaukee,pitched in to the ninth..start of May? That was May 13. Tied for 10th in Schaefer points at 4.71. ="metsguyinmichigan"]Maine in late April vs the Nats -- three hits and 8 ks! April 29. Tied for second best Schaefer score with Sosa/Tigers at 5.23. (I hadn't noticed the tie earlier when I said that Sosa's game was third best.)

Benjamin Grimm Aug 10 2007 02:02 PM

metsmarathon wrote: the three highest rated starts, per my formula, are as follows: maine 24 july - 25.7 glavine 22 june - 24.7 ohernandez 17 july - 23.0 Maine, July 24, 4.86, 5th best Schaefer score Glavine, June 22, 4.92, 4th best. Hernandez, July 17, 4.72, 9th best.

Edgy DC Aug 10 2007 02:02 PM

Irish gets one of the top three. Michigan gets number five. Exie. Top average and low average guesses by DocTee are incorrect. Also, Pelfrey faced DC twice and had modest game scores fo 47 and 48. Who among Met pitchers with more than 10 starts, has the top average game score? __________________ Who among Met pitchers with more than 10 starts, has the lowest average game score? __________________ What are the top 10 game scores accomplished by Met pitchers this year? T1) Perez, 79, 5/13, vs. Mil (metirish) __________________ __________________ 4) Sosa, 77, 6/8, @ Det (metsguy) 5) Maine, 76, 4/29, @ Was (metsguy) __________________ __________________ __________________ __________________ __________________ What are the lowest 10 game scores accomplished by Met pitchers this year? __________________ __________________ __________________ __________________ __________________ __________________ __________________ __________________ __________________ __________________ Best start by a guy called up to fill in? __________________

Edgy DC Aug 10 2007 02:04 PM

The Thing wrote: Orlando Hernandez, April 3 vs. St. Louis, 1 ER in 7 innings. 5 hits, 2 walks, no strikeouts. 5.56 Schaefer points. Game score of 61. No strikeouts is no strikeouts.

metirish Aug 10 2007 02:06 PM

Who among Met pitchers with more than 10 starts, has the top average game score? John Maine

Edgy DC Aug 10 2007 02:10 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Aug 10 2007 02:33 PM

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Edgy DC Aug 10 2007 02:11 PM

metirish wrote: Who among Met pitchers with more than 10 starts, has the top average game score? John Maine That's three guys gueesing Maine. Three wrong guys.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 10 2007 02:12 PM

Would Maine be correct if I guessed it? If not, I'll try Hernandez.

metsguyinmichigan Aug 10 2007 02:13 PM

When we say lowest scores, does that mean the WORST games? I have to guess Glavine getting rocked in Detroit (with me in the upper deck) had to be one. Hack, the Maine game I witnessed in Chicago last weekend couldn't be much better -- 6 ER in three innings.

metirish Aug 10 2007 02:14 PM

Who among Met pitchers with more than 10 starts, has the top average game score? Perez

metsguyinmichigan Aug 10 2007 02:16 PM

I'm going to try one more: Sosa's game against the Cubs in May, 8-1 Mets. I'd forgotten that he had some kick-butt games early on.

metsmarathon Aug 10 2007 02:33 PM

some worst start candidates... pelfrey 25 april (11.3) glavine 10 june (13.3) glavine 16 june (13.3) sosa 19 june (10.8) vargas 3 july (18.7) ohernandez 4 july (12.9) sosa 21 july (10.1) maine 4 august (13.5)

Edgy DC Aug 10 2007 02:34 PM

Orange Pile o' Rocks with Ralph Kiner wrote: Would Maine be correct if I guessed it? You're getting warmer. ="Big Thing Plus the Pirate King"]If not, I'll try Hernandez. Yes. ="michigan"]When we say lowest scores, does that mean the WORST games? Or least dominating. There's a solid argument that these aren't necessarily the best. ="The Big Lake They Call Gitchy Goomy"]I have to guess Glavine getting rocked in Detroit (with me in the upper deck) had to be one. Jeez, you were there for Detroit Rock City. I'm so sorry. That was the second lowest game score of the season --- a hard-to-conceive 5. ="Doctor Detroit"]Hack, the Maine game I witnessed in Chicago last weekend couldn't be much better -- 6 ER in three innings. The Hack it couldn't. He got a 24., still good enough for a tie as the ninth worst game score. ="oirish"]Who among Met pitchers with more than 10 starts, has the top average game score? Perez Late and wrong. Who among Met pitchers with more than 10 starts, has the top average game score? Hernandez (Yancy) Who among Met pitchers with more than 10 starts, has the lowest average game score? Sosa (marathon) What are the top 10 game scores accomplished by Met pitchers this year? T1) Perez, 79, 5/13, vs. Mil (metirish) __________________ __________________ 4) Sosa, 77, 6/8, @ Det (metsguy) 5) Maine, 76, 4/29, @ Was (metsguy) 6) Hernandez, 75, 7/17, @NYY (marathon) __________________ __________________ __________________ __________________ What are the lowest 10 game scores accomplished by Met pitchers this year? __________________ 2) Glavine, 5, 6/10, @ Det __________________ __________________ __________________ __________________ __________________ __________________ T9) Maine, 24, 8/4, @ Chi (michigan) __________________ Best start by a guy called up to fill in? __________________

metirish Aug 10 2007 02:40 PM

Best start by a guy called up to fill in? Sosa

Edgy DC Aug 10 2007 02:47 PM

="metsguyinmichigan"]I'm going to try one more: Sosa's game against the Cubs in May, 8-1 Mets. I'd forgotten that he had some kick-butt games early on. And I'm sure the Cubs fans complained that they got beat by a nobody. Tied at number Eight As for marathon's upload of suck: pelfrey 25 april (11.3) Tied for sixth at 19 glavine 10 june (13.3) Already guess, ya bastid glavine 16 june (13.3) Good for an awful 15, number five on your list sosa 19 june (10.8) And how bad was June? This one is tied with that Pelfrey start. vargas 3 july (18.7) Worst game score of the year came during Independence Day weekend! A TWO ohernandez 4 july (12.9) Another disaster on Indy Day. Tied at ninth at 24. sosa 21 july (10.1) eighth worst at 21 maine 4 august (13.5) Another tied at 9th. Who among Met pitchers with more than 10 starts, has the top average game score? Hernandez (Yancy) Who among Met pitchers with more than 10 starts, has the lowest average game score? Sosa (marathon) What are the top 10 game scores accomplished by Met pitchers this year? T1) Perez, 79, 5/13, vs. Mil (metirish) __________________ __________________ 4) Sosa, 77, 6/8, @ Det (metsguy) 5) Maine, 76, 4/29, @ Was (metsguy) 6) Hernandez, 75, 7/17, @NYY (marathon) __________________ T8) Sosa, 73, 5/16, vs. Chi (michigan) __________________ __________________ What are the lowest 10 game scores accomplished by Met pitchers this year? 1) Vargas, 2, 7/3, @ Col ('thon) 2) Glavine, 5, 6/10, @ Det __________________ __________________ 5) Glavine, 15, 6/16, @ NYY (marathon) T6) Pelfrey, 19, 4/25, vs. Col (marathon) T6) Sosa, 19, 6/19, vs. Min (marathon) 8) Sosa, 22, 7/21, @ LA (marathon) T9) Maine, 24, 8/4, @ Chi (michigan) T9) Maine, 24, 8/4, @ Chi (marathon) Hernandez, 7/4 (marathon) Best start by a guy called up to fill in? __________________

Edgy DC Aug 10 2007 02:48 PM

="metirish"]Best start by a guy called up to fill in? Sosa Sosa. Who among Met pitchers with more than 10 starts, has the top average game score? Hernandez (Yancy) Who among Met pitchers with more than 10 starts, has the lowest average game score? Sosa (marathon) What are the top 10 game scores accomplished by Met pitchers this year? T1) Perez, 79, 5/13, vs. Mil (metirish) __________________ __________________ 4) Sosa, 77, 6/8, @ Det (metsguy) 5) Maine, 76, 4/29, @ Was (metsguy) 6) Hernandez, 75, 7/17, @NYY (marathon) __________________ T8) Sosa, 73, 5/16, vs. Chi (michigan) __________________ __________________ What are the lowest 10 game scores accomplished by Met pitchers this year? 1) Vargas, 2, 7/3, @ Col ('thon) 2) Glavine, 5, 6/10, @ Det __________________ __________________ 5) Glavine, 15, 6/16, @ NYY (marathon) T6) Pelfrey, 19, 4/25, vs. Col (marathon) T6) Sosa, 19, 6/19, vs. Min (marathon) 8) Sosa, 22, 7/21, @ LA (marathon) T9) Maine, 24, 8/4, @ Chi (michigan) T9) Maine, 24, 8/4, @ Chi (marathon) Hernandez, 7/4 (marathon) Best start by a guy called up to fill in? Sosa (irish)

Rockin' Doc Aug 10 2007 06:30 PM

Sosa has a worse average game score for the season than Pelfrey? Wow!! I would have never guessed that. Sosa was really bad his last few starts, but he had some really solid starts earlier in the year. Pelfrey has been mediocre at best and pretty bad most other times. Oh, now I how Pelfrey escaped the dubious distinction for worst average. Pelfrey has appeared in 10 games this season, but has only made 9 starts so he doesn't quite qualify for the distinction of worst game score average per start.

Gwreck Aug 10 2007 10:10 PM

Perez' great start vs. the Yanks at home. Friday, 5/17 I think. That's gotta be a top-10 game. Also he had a Saturday afternoon start against the Braves in April that was up there. What about Glavine, El Duque, Maine and Perez' first four starts of the year? Weren't all four of those games pitched really well?

Gwreck Aug 10 2007 10:18 PM

I suspect the two missing from the top 10 worst could be the singular starts made by Chan Ho Park and Dave Williams.

Gwreck Aug 10 2007 10:39 PM

PS the El Duque game in the top 10 list is correctly the 7/17 game, but it was at SD. The 6/17 game at NYY was terrible. Not bottom-10 terrible, but it sucked. Especially if one was there.