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IGT 8/28 - Let's Phucking Win

Centerfield Aug 28 2007 04:35 PM

Us 1. Reyes 2. Castillo 3. Wright 4. Beltran 5. Alou 6. Delgado 7. LoDuca 8. Chavez 9. Glavine Them 1. Rollins 2. Utley 3. Burrell 4. Howard 5. Rowand 6. Werth 7. Helms 8. Coste 9. Eaton

Kid Carsey Aug 28 2007 04:40 PM

It will be interesting to see how the Chavez/Milledge thing plays out. Me likey a little bit of fire-under-the-ass to get people going.

Frayed Knot Aug 28 2007 05:18 PM

Joe West still as pleasent as ever I see.

Kid Carsey Aug 28 2007 05:33 PM

DEL-GAH-DOH!! expletiveexpletiveexpletive!! Who da man?????? U KNOW WAH AH MEAN??? (insert image here) YAY

Edgy DC Aug 28 2007 05:54 PM

Yay! We get tarred yesterday and it's a nine-page thread. Now we get an early lead and nuttin'. C'mon! Can you count, suckas?!

Kid Carsey Aug 28 2007 06:01 PM

Saving comment for my off-season essay on ONLINE IRONY.

Kid Carsey Aug 28 2007 06:04 PM

Lo Duca = Double Play to end the Mets fourth.

Edgy DC Aug 28 2007 06:19 PM

Werth, an actual popup.

Rockin' Doc Aug 28 2007 06:27 PM

2- 0, good guys at the end of 5. I wouldn't mind a small outburst of 3-4 runs in the Mets top of the 6th.

bmfc1 Aug 28 2007 06:29 PM

SOB Eaton.

Edgy DC Aug 28 2007 06:29 PM

What's with the warning?

Rockin' Doc Aug 28 2007 06:30 PM

Let's make him pay for plunking one of our guys.

Rockin' Doc Aug 28 2007 06:34 PM

Come on Carlos.

Edgy DC Aug 28 2007 06:37 PM

POUNDING Delgado inside.

Rockin' Doc Aug 28 2007 06:41 PM

According to Gameday's display, Delgado swung at balls 4, 5, & 6 before flying out on the only actual strike he saw from Eaton. Of course, his fly out was apparently 2 rows into the rightfield stands according to Gameday, so it's hard to say how accurate their pitch charting actually is.

Johnny Dickshot Aug 28 2007 06:43 PM

Psst: We didn't really miss LoDuca.

bmfc1 Aug 28 2007 06:46 PM

Rockin' Doc wrote: According to Gameday's display, Delgado swung at balls 4, 5, & 6 before flying out on the only actual strike he saw from Eaton. Of course, his fly out was apparently 2 rows into the rightfield stands according to Gameday, so it's hard to say how accurate their pitch charting actually is. True. A little patience and the Mets would have had bases loaded.

Edgy DC Aug 28 2007 06:49 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 28 2007 06:50 PM

Not that Joe West ("We close our eyes!") is guaranteed to call ball four. But taking a strike would be a good play. Phils rallying. We only need one more inning here, Tom.

Rockin' Doc Aug 28 2007 06:49 PM

Glavine's only a few hits away from surpassing both Delgado and LoDuca in hitting for the season. Actually, with today's hit, Glavine is 11 of 47 on the season. If he gets a hit in his next at bat he actually will pass Delgado's averge for the season. Luckily for Delgado, Willie will likely pinch hit for Glavine when his spot rolls around next inning.

Rockin' Doc Aug 28 2007 06:52 PM

We need an inning ending GIDP here. Come on Rowand, I know you have it in you.

Kid Carsey Aug 28 2007 06:54 PM

It's a bird, it's a plane, IT'S ENDY cutting in front of a fly about to drop in front of Carlos for the catch and gun to the cut-off near the mound!

Johnny Dickshot Aug 28 2007 06:55 PM

attaboy Glavvy

Kid Carsey Aug 28 2007 06:55 PM

I think Gary just said that Glavine explitived himself out of the sixth.

Elster88 Aug 28 2007 06:59 PM

Rockin' Doc wrote: According to Gameday's display, Delgado swung at balls 4, 5, & 6 before flying out on the only actual strike he saw from Eaton. Of course, his fly out was apparently 2 rows into the rightfield stands according to Gameday, so it's hard to say how accurate their pitch charting actually is. Caught standing at the base of the wall.

Edgy DC Aug 28 2007 07:00 PM

Glavine coming to the plate again. And hitting. Kid Carsey is ranked with my man, Jim Beauchamp. Good show.

Elster88 Aug 28 2007 07:00 PM

I forgot how fast Endy was until I saw that play KC mentioned.

Rockin' Doc Aug 28 2007 07:00 PM

KC - "It's a bird, it's a plane, IT'S ENDY cutting in front of a fly about to drop in front of Carlos for the catch and gun to the cut-off near the mound!" I didn't actually see the play, but from your description, I'm guessing there's no way Green (nor Milledge) makes that run saving play.

Elster88 Aug 28 2007 07:04 PM

I really like the Phanatic.

Rockin' Doc Aug 28 2007 07:06 PM

The Phanatic is pretty good, I think Mr. Met could kick his ass. One head butt and it's lights out for the Phanatic.

Elster88 Aug 28 2007 07:07 PM

The Phanatic fucks with the opposing team and fans a lot. Mr. Met doesn't really do that. He's got a different game. I agree he could beat the Phanatic's ass though.

bmfc1 Aug 28 2007 07:08 PM

Friggin' Benitez just gave up a game tying home run to Chipper in the 8th.

Kid Carsey Aug 28 2007 07:08 PM

Glavine = No runs through seven and brings the wood/wheels to boot.

Edgy DC Aug 28 2007 07:10 PM

The Mets do their jobs at all here, and the Braves are irrelevant. Glavine's (Glavvy's) got 102 pitches. Send him back out?

G-Fafif Aug 28 2007 07:13 PM

bmfc1 wrote: Friggin' Benitez just gave up a game tying home run to Chipper in the 8th. I tuned in when it was 3-1 and that batter was facing that pitcher. I shuddered, flipped away for probably 30 seconds and it was tied. With Byung-Hyung Kim warming up for the Fish in case Armando can't give up more runs. Is Fredi Gonzalez still on the Atlanta payroll?

Elster88 Aug 28 2007 07:13 PM

]Glavine's (Glavvy's) got 102 pitches. Send him back out? BuLlPeN SuXx. Why not? I hate Heilman and Wagner and Feliciano and Franco and Schoeneweis.

G-Fafif Aug 28 2007 07:19 PM

Edgy DC wrote: The Mets do their jobs at all here, and the Braves are irrelevant. Courageous outlook (I was going to say "brave" but reconsidered). Yet anybody within striking distance and with enough head-to-head games left is not to be utterly dismissed even if they are to be utterly disdained. I look at it this way: If we were the ones six back with six left to play againt the first-place team, I'd be taking us very seriously. I do prefer being the first-place team, however.

Elster88 Aug 28 2007 07:22 PM

G-Fafif wrote: ="Edgy DC"]The Mets do their jobs at all here, and the Braves are irrelevant. Courageous outlook (I was going to say "brave" but reconsidered). Not courageous, realistic.

Elster88 Aug 28 2007 07:22 PM

If this game was at Shea Delgado would be getting booed despite the bomb.

G-Fafif Aug 28 2007 07:23 PM

Elster88 wrote: ="G-Fafif"] ="Edgy DC"]The Mets do their jobs at all here, and the Braves are irrelevant. Courageous outlook (I was going to say "brave" but reconsidered). Not courageous, realistic. I missed our clinching.

Rockin' Doc Aug 28 2007 07:24 PM

Delgado should pay more attention to Glavine's at bats.

Elster88 Aug 28 2007 07:25 PM

G-Fafif wrote: ="Elster88"] G-Fafif wrote: ="Edgy DC"]The Mets do their jobs at all here, and the Braves are irrelevant. Courageous outlook (I was going to say "brave" but reconsidered). Not courageous, realistic. I missed our clinching. No, you're missing the point of his post.

Edgy DC Aug 28 2007 07:26 PM

The New York Cosmos once had a great striker/midfielder --- Argentine, I think --- named J.C. Romero.

Elster88 Aug 28 2007 07:27 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 28 2007 07:27 PM

Ugh. I'm not a bullpen hater but does the first guy up have to homer? Feliciano's first of the year to a righty, second overall.

Rockin' Doc Aug 28 2007 07:27 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 28 2007 07:28 PM

Glavine is done after a very good start. Here comes the bullpen. Grab an antacid, some dramamine, and buckle up tight because it could be a rough ride the rest of the way. Upon edit: As I was typing this post, Rollins homers for the Phillies.

Edgy DC Aug 28 2007 07:28 PM

Joe Smith clock starts ticking.

Elster88 Aug 28 2007 07:31 PM

I don't like this ballpark.

Edgy DC Aug 28 2007 07:31 PM

So much for the Willie-hates-Feliciano angle.

metsguyinmichigan Aug 28 2007 07:34 PM

The bullpen scares me! But on the bright side, I think Willie threw Schoenweis out there last night to save the rest of the pen for the rest of the series.

Kid Carsey Aug 28 2007 07:34 PM

Mr. Heilman ... this is YOUR night!

Elster88 Aug 28 2007 07:36 PM

Yeah that was a bad throw but can Castillo knock it down?

Johnny Dickshot Aug 28 2007 07:37 PM

Jesus H. Fuckerfaster.

bmfc1 Aug 28 2007 07:37 PM

You gotta be kidding.

metsguyinmichigan Aug 28 2007 07:38 PM

In-freaking-credible.

Edgy DC Aug 28 2007 07:38 PM

Where's Lenny Randle when you need him?

Elster88 Aug 28 2007 07:39 PM

Knock it down next time Castillo. Stay on the DL next time Paul. I know DeFelice ain't a major leaguer, but it was fun watching him pick guys off left and right.

metsguyinmichigan Aug 28 2007 07:39 PM

How many games has the bullpen blown for Glavine this year? Four?

Johnny Dickshot Aug 28 2007 07:40 PM

Heilman didn't blow this game. LoDuca and the offense has.

Elster88 Aug 28 2007 07:41 PM

Swinging bunt and a broken bat single against Heilman. HE SUXXXX.

Rockin' Doc Aug 28 2007 07:41 PM

It must suck to be in the Mets rotation right now knowing that you eventually have to place the game in the care of the bullpen. It seems as if none of them are pitching well with even the slightest consistency of late.

Elster88 Aug 28 2007 07:41 PM

metsguyinmichigan wrote: How many games has the bullpen blown for Glavine this year? Four? You're not serious I hope. Eh. I guess Feliciano did some blowing.

Edgy DC Aug 28 2007 07:44 PM

Rockin' Doc wrote: It must suck to be in the Mets rotation right now knowing that you eventually have to place the game in the care of the bullpen. It seems as if none of them are pitching well with even the slightest consistency of late. I'll concur that the offense owes the starters at least as much as the bullpen. Let's play some playoff ball NOW!!!!

Rockin' Doc Aug 28 2007 07:45 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 28 2007 07:46 PM

Heilman had some tough luck in that inning, but it just seems that the bullpen is struggling in mass recently. Feliciano certainly didn't get the job done tonight.

seawolf17 Aug 28 2007 07:45 PM

My wife is sitting here ripping Heilman up and down (she's never been a fan)... but that really wasn't his fault. I don't even know that I blame LoDuca entirely; would have been very different if Jose Reyes had actually backed up second base the way he's supposed to on stolen base attempts.

Elster88 Aug 28 2007 07:47 PM

seawolf17 wrote: My wife is sitting here ripping Heilman up and down (she's never been a fan)... Tell her to stay off the call-in shows.

metsguyinmichigan Aug 28 2007 07:48 PM

If we don't get it done here, I have ZERO faith that our pen will hold them in the ninth -- especially if we see Mota in there.

Kid Carsey Aug 28 2007 07:52 PM

Why watch if you think it's over?

Rockin' Doc Aug 28 2007 07:54 PM

Edgy - "I'll concur that the offense owes the starters at least as much as the bullpen." The offense is definitely not blameless. Six hits in 9 innings is pretty sad, particularly when the starting pitching has 2 of them. Oh shit, it's Mota in the ninth. I hope that advice he received from Pedro regarding his understriding pays dividends tonight.

Edgy DC Aug 28 2007 07:55 PM

Ya gotta not believe.

Rockin' Doc Aug 28 2007 07:56 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Aug 28 2007 08:00 PM

KC - "Why watch if you think it's over?" michigan's a glutton for punishment I guess. Upon edit: It's much like passing a crash scene, you don't want to look, but you just can't help yourself.

metsguyinmichigan Aug 28 2007 07:58 PM

Rockin' Doc wrote: KC - "Why watch if you think it's over?" michigan's a glutton for punishment I guess. Technically, I'm not watching since I can't get the games here. I follow along on Yahoo, and WFAN via the MLB radio package.

Rockin' Doc Aug 28 2007 08:02 PM

I know how you feel. I live precariously through the IGT's and MLB gamecasts most of the time. Other than nationally televised games, I can only see the Mets when they play the Cubs or Braves.

metsguyinmichigan Aug 28 2007 08:02 PM

My apologies to Mr. Mota. He got the job done.

seawolf17 Aug 28 2007 08:04 PM

How 'bout that Mota? One inning is enough, Willie.

Edgy DC Aug 28 2007 08:04 PM

He followed it, zero faith and all. Top of the order. Let's get five.

Rockin' Doc Aug 28 2007 08:07 PM

Pedro for pitching coach. He fixed Mota in under 10 minutes and he did it from Florida.

Frayed Knot Aug 28 2007 08:07 PM

This would be going much better if Reyes & Wright weren't taking the series off.

metsguyinmichigan Aug 28 2007 08:08 PM

Hitting one out of the infield would be cool.

Kid Carsey Aug 28 2007 08:09 PM

mgim:>>>Technically, I'm not watching<<< I think it's a fair question, I really meant why pay attention? You don't have to answer in the IGT, it's about the game, but when someone says they have ZERO kahnfidence in the outcome of something and they're somewhat new I don't think it's inappropriate to ask what's making them tick.

metsguyinmichigan Aug 28 2007 08:12 PM

Kid Carsey wrote: I think it's a fair question, I really meant why pay attention. You don't have to answer in the IGT, it's about the game, but when someone says they have ZERO kahnfidence in the outcome of something and they're somewhat new I don't think it's inappropriate to ask what's making them tick. It was a bit an exaggeration resulting from frustration. I watch because I'm a diehard and I want them to win. But I'm frustrated that our pen, so good last year, seems to be blowing games left and right. And Mota has been terrible. I'm thrilled he proved me wrong. I was ROOTING for him to prove me wrong.

Johnny Dickshot Aug 28 2007 08:14 PM

There's just a lot of careless hating going on the IGTs lately is all.

seawolf17 Aug 28 2007 08:14 PM

Mota.

Frayed Knot Aug 28 2007 08:14 PM

What's the record for shitty hit in one game? Whatever it is I think the Phils are closing in.

metsguyinmichigan Aug 28 2007 08:15 PM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: There's just a lot of careless hating going on the IGTs lately is all. My apologies. And the funny part -- I'm one of those super-glass-half-filled kind of guys. Just got a little frustrated. We need this one, and we let it get away.

metsguyinmichigan Aug 28 2007 08:17 PM

I was right the first time. Bleeping Mota.

seawolf17 Aug 28 2007 08:17 PM

Mota.

Kid Carsey Aug 28 2007 08:18 PM

I hope the 'team to beat' has gotten the Mets attention. They got mine.

Frayed Knot Aug 28 2007 08:19 PM

That's 3 straight games with only 2 runs scored in each - and not exactly against a murderer's row of starters.

Rockin' Doc Aug 28 2007 08:20 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 28 2007 08:21 PM

All losses may count the same in the standings, but this one seems particularly damaging (demoralizing) to me. Glavine gave the Mets a great start and the offense failed to produce and the bullpen again failed to hold a lead to secure a victory.

metirish Aug 28 2007 08:20 PM

Phillies are playing some good ball,Myers surprised me with all the off-speed stuff,looked good the fecker...

seawolf17 Aug 28 2007 08:24 PM

It's too bad Myers is a head case; he's going to blow up in a big spot down the road, and it's going to be ugly. I tried to warn Willie about leaving Mota in for another inning, but he forgot to log into the Pool between innings.

bmfc1 Aug 28 2007 08:25 PM

Willie never quits when he's ahead: you got a great inning out of Mota. Fantastic! Now get him out of there before he reverts to form. Instead, he leaves him in and the inevitable ensues. You knew it was gonna happen but the manager didn't. Of course, he'd say, if he was being honest, "who should I put in?" and that's a fair point but I'd take my chances with a fresh Sele than a second inning of Mota. Omar must love Mota because it looks like we're gonna see him in October... if the Mets get that far.

metirish Aug 28 2007 08:26 PM

When Romero got Delgado out and started fist pumping did anyone notice Carlos staring at him...I thought he was,not that it means anything...

bmfc1 Aug 28 2007 08:27 PM

Romero was a FA... too bad Mets management decided that he wasn't needed.

metirish Aug 28 2007 08:28 PM

bmfc1 wrote: Romero was a FA... too bad Mets management decided that he wasn't needed. Come now,you can't sign them all...

seawolf17 Aug 28 2007 08:29 PM

What do we need Romero for? It's not like there are any huge lefthanded hitters in our division that we need to get out in a big spot. Oh, wait.

Johnny Dickshot Aug 28 2007 08:35 PM

bmfc1 wrote: Romero was a FA... too bad Mets management decided that he wasn't needed. He was released by the Red Sox and blew two leads last week alone. Enough with the wound-licking already!

G-Fafif Aug 28 2007 08:57 PM

Kid Carsey wrote: Why watch if you think it's over? Habit, I'm guessing. Both the thinking and the watching.

Gwreck Aug 28 2007 09:28 PM

We needed some Kevin Seitzer-syle blowing this game. Offense = terrible. HIT, dammit!

Elster88 Aug 28 2007 09:38 PM

bmfc1 wrote: Willie never quits when he's ahead: you got a great inning out of Mota. Fantastic! Now get him out of there before he reverts to form. Instead, he leaves him in and the inevitable ensues. Just like Game 2 last year.

Nymr83 Aug 28 2007 10:48 PM

I disagree. If anything I prefer to send a guy who has a good inning back out there for another one, because who knows if the next guy will have his "stuff" or not that night? better to stick with the guy already pitching well (barring a reason like lefty/righty matchups or a clearly better pitcher like wagner replacing mota or something) edit- i disagree with the bmfc post that elster just quoted, didnt realize it wasnt immediately above.

Edgy DC Aug 29 2007 06:46 AM

I'm going to tentatively agree also. Unless you're going for matchups, stick with the guy who is performing as long as you can. For instance, Glavine was on, and whether Feliciano was as well was an unknown. Feliciano replaces Glavine and the shutout ends. If you want to hit Willie, hit him for not getting good matchups. Felciano got tagged by a righty, and Mota by a lefty. Nobody looked good on that throwdown that sent Victorino to third, but I sure wish Castillo looked to knock the throw down.

metirish Aug 29 2007 06:53 AM

That throw changed the game right there,not a good throw and Castillo seemed to be in two minds as to what to do,Phillies are playing with a lot of energy right now.

Johnny Dickshot Aug 29 2007 07:32 AM

I think it was obvious Castillo re-hurt his knee on the takeout slide earlier in the game (and he reacted poorly to that, refusing the help of Helms whose slide was completely legit). He was limping around the rest of the night and completely ineffective.