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metirish Sep 05 2007 01:21 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 05 2007 06:02 PM

The Astros are having a terrible season and are fighting to stay out of the basement of the NL Central,as of today 09/05 they are 62 - 77 the same record as the Reds and only a few games better than Pittsburgh. There 2008 seaon promises change for the franchise,Biggio is retiring,Bagwell is gone and they need a manager,right now Cecil Cooper is the interim manager.Tal Smith is the interim General Manager. Smith has a long and interesting history with the Astros. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tal_Smith Pitching Match Ups Wandy Rodriguez, LHP (8-12, 4.49)- Mike Pelfrey, RHP (1-7, 5.43) Rodriguez is brutal on the road this season, 2-9 with a 7.11 ERA ,still he recored his first career shutout against the Mets at home on July 6th. Pelfrey finally won a game this season which he credits in part to just going out and doing his thing,before he was to worried about throwing the perfect pitch. Saturday Woody Williams, RHP (8-13, 4.95) - Tom Glavine, LHP (12-6, 4.06) Williams pitched good against the Mets at home in July,took a no decision ,pitched 7 2/3 in a game the Astros lost 5 - 3 - oh this game went 17 innings. Last time out Glavine beat Smoltz for the first time ever and in four starts this season against him. Sunday Roy Oswalt, RHP (14-6, 3.35) - Pedro Martinez, RHP (1-0, 3.60) Oswalt was brilliant in August sporting a 4-0 record with a 1014 ERA in five starts. Pedro is back at home in front of the fans that adore him,could be a great match up. Last time these teams played was in Houston in a pretty good four game series,Mets won two. Houston had had some funky logos over the years. Team motto: The Return of the Good Guys All My Ex's Live In Texas . Ty Wigginton Dave Wallace Astro Annie Tal's Hill is named for Tal Smith. Trivia - Who are the original "Killer B's"? Fan Forums. http://astros.brokersys.com/forum/index.php/board,2.0.html http://www.crawfishboxes.com/ Extra Trivia. What six Astros players have hit for the cycle,one player did it twice.

Elster88 Sep 05 2007 03:44 PM

]All My Ex's Live In Texas . Ty Wigginton Dave Wallace Astro Annie lol Nice job Irish

Gwreck Sep 05 2007 11:15 PM

The original "Killer Bs" were Bagwell, Biggio....and Derek Bell. '97 Astros were their first playoff team since '86. Amazingly, on that '97 team, I count 15 players with Metly connections, including nearly half their pitching staff. I also had completely forgotten that Bobby Abreu came up with the Astros as a rookie. --- Current Mets iwth Ex-Astro connections: Billy Wagner Moises Alou Carlos Beltran

Benjamin Grimm Sep 06 2007 05:17 AM

My guess for "original killer bees" was Bonds and Bonilla in Pittsburgh.

metirish Sep 06 2007 06:40 AM

My information has one more Killer B to go along with Gwrecks three....

Edgy DC Sep 06 2007 07:08 AM

Bill Barnett, Bob Baumhower, Doug Betters, Glenn Blackwood, Lyle Blackwood, Kim Bokamper, and Bob Brudzinski.

metirish Sep 06 2007 07:12 AM

All B's but not Killer B's

Edgy DC Sep 06 2007 07:20 AM

Frayed Knot Sep 06 2007 07:27 AM

Gwreck wrote: I also had completely forgotten that Bobby Abreu came up with the Astros as a rookie. They lost him in the expansion draft to Tampa Bay, choosing to protect their other young Venezuelan instead, one Richard Hidalgo. Tampa then immediately dealt Abreu to Philly for the one and only Kevin Stocker. Most teams could compile an impressive list of ones they let get away too soon, but Houston's list always struck me as particularly painful: Abreu, Johan Santana (Rule 5), Freddie Garcia, Luis Gonzalez, Steve Finley, Kenny Lofton, and even going way back to Joe Morgan.

Edgy DC Sep 06 2007 07:30 AM

They kept nutty Joaquin Andujar bouncing between the bullpen and the rotatoin before he signed with St. Louis and fully realized his poitential. Jeff Bagwell is always their trump card, though.

metsguyinmichigan Sep 06 2007 08:34 AM

Frayed Knot wrote: ="Gwreck"]I also had completely forgotten that Bobby Abreu came up with the Astros as a rookie. They lost him in the expansion draft to Tampa Bay, choosing to protect their other young Venezuelan instead, one Richard Hidalgo. Tampa then immediately dealt Abreu to Philly for the one and only Kevin Stocker. Most teams could compile an impressive list of ones they let get away too soon, but Houston's list always struck me as particularly painful: Abreu, Johan Santana (Rule 5), Freddie Garcia, Luis Gonzalez, Steve Finley, Kenny Lofton, and even going way back to Joe Morgan. Don't forget Rusty! I think he even dates back to the Colt .45 days. Colt .45s = worst name ever for a baseball team.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 06 2007 08:37 AM

Yeah, it's weird to see a decimal point in the name of a sports team.

Vic Sage Sep 06 2007 09:34 AM

well, now the 'Stros are 99.44% of suck.

seawolf17 Sep 06 2007 09:44 AM

I believe the Killer B's you're missing are Jumpin' Jim Bronzell and B. Brian Blair.

Willets Point Sep 06 2007 09:45 AM

Holy Homoertocism Beeman!

Frayed Knot Sep 06 2007 10:48 AM

]Don't forget Rusty! I think he even dates back to the Colt .45 days Well sure, but at least with Rusty, as with Andujar, they at least got a couple of good years out of them before moving on. But that whole Lofton/Abreu/Finley/etc, crowd was dealt before they ever really had a chance to contribution to Houston baseball. That group is akin to our Ryan - Otis - Kazmir. * Holy prospects Batman, I'm Lee Mazzilli !!

metirish Sep 06 2007 10:53 AM

Apparently people are not taking my Killer Bees question seriously ,that's some funny stuff though.....Sean Berry is the fourth Killer Bee,currently the Astros hitting coach. Now back to my other trivia question. What six Astros players have hit for the cycle,one player did it twice.

Johnny Dickshot Sep 06 2007 11:13 AM

Cycle guesses: Biggio (twice) Jose Cruz Enos Cabell Jimmy Wynn Craig F. Reynolds Art F. Howe

Gwreck Sep 06 2007 11:18 AM

Gotta think Bagwell did it once. He usedta have some speed back in the day. Was 30-30 once or twice, I think.

metirish Sep 06 2007 11:20 AM

Biggio did hit for the cycle once..... Craig Biggio - April 8, 2002 - Houston at Colorado 1st inning: 0 outs, nobody on. Biggio singles to center and is later doubled up on a grounder Jeff Bagwell. 3rd inning: 1 out, nobody on. Biggio triples to left and scores on a single by Brad Ausmus. 4th inning: 1 out, Brian Hunter on second. Biggio homers to left, scoring Hunter. 6th inning: 2 outs, Brian Hunter on second. Biggio is walked intentionally and is stranded after advancing to second. 8th inning: 1 out, Morgan Ensberg on second, Brian Hunter on first. Biggio doubles to left, scoring Ensberg and Hunter. Biggio is stranded at third. For the day, Biggio went 4-for-4 with a walk and 4 RBI.

metirish Sep 06 2007 11:22 AM

Bagwell hit for the cycle. Jeff Bagwell - July 18, 2001 - St. Louis at Houston 1st inning: 1 out, Craig Biggio on second. On a 1-1 pitch, Bagwell drives in the team's first run with a single to center. Bagwell would later score on a three-run home run by Moises Alou. 2nd inning: 2 outs, 2 runs in, nobody on. Bagwell flies out to center on a 2-2 pitch, ending the inning. 5th inning: 0 outs, nobody on, Luther Hackman pitching. Bagwell leads off the inning by driving a 3-2 pitch to deep left center for a double. Lance Berkman immediately follows with a double of his own, scoring Bagwell for the team's 7th run. 5th inning: 2 outs, 5 runs in, runners on first and second. In his second at-bat of the inning, Bagwell caps an 8-run outburst by homering to left field on a 1-0 pitch, scoring Craig Biggio and Julio Lugo. 7th inning: 1 out, Craig Biggio on third. Bagwell completes the cycle by tripling to right center on a 2-0 pitch. Bagwell then scored on a single by Lance Berkman. 8th inning: 2 outs, Julio Lugo on first. Bagwell walks on a full count and is forced out on a grounder to second by Lance Berkman. For the night, Bagwell went 4-for-5 with 5 RBI.

metirish Sep 06 2007 11:25 AM

One player on the list became the first player to hit for the cycle in both leagues after being traded by Houston to an AL team.

DocTee Sep 06 2007 01:56 PM

Lance Berkman, cyclist. Carlos Beltran, cyclist. Jeff Kent, cyclist. Joe Morgan, cyclist.

metirish Sep 06 2007 02:01 PM

None of the above hit for the cycle in a Houston uniform,great guesses though.

DocTee Sep 06 2007 02:02 PM

Terry Puhl (this).

Edgy DC Sep 06 2007 02:06 PM

Dickie Thon.

metirish Sep 06 2007 02:08 PM

No to Phul and Thon.

Johnny Dickshot Sep 06 2007 02:10 PM

Derek Bell. Why not. Derek Bell and Richard Hidalgo. Derek Bell, Richard Hidalgo and Milt May. Yeah, that's right. Milt May.

metirish Sep 06 2007 02:20 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 06 2007 02:20 PM

No to Dickshot,we really don't know the Astros.

metirish Sep 06 2007 02:20 PM

No to Dickshot,we really don't know the Astros. Time to reflect. Craig Biggio - April 8, 2002 - Houston at Colorado Jeff Bagwell - July 18, 2001 - St. Louis at Houston I need four more players but only three more last names.....get it? One was the only rookie to do it for Houston.

seawolf17 Sep 06 2007 02:22 PM

Ah, they did it once last year. It was Jason Lane or someone like that.

metirish Sep 06 2007 02:23 PM

seawolf17 wrote: Ah, they did it once last year. It was Jason Lane or someone like that. No to Lane but can you name the someone like that?

Edgy DC Sep 06 2007 02:25 PM

Willy F. Taveras?

Farmer Ted Sep 06 2007 02:28 PM

Here I sit, My ass a'flexin, Giving birth, to another Texan "You tell that son of a bitch no Yankee is ever comin' to Houston. Not as long as you bastards are running things."

metirish Sep 06 2007 02:30 PM

No to Willy F and no to F Ted

Johnny Dickshot Sep 06 2007 02:38 PM

Cesar Cedeno Doug Rader Bill F. Doran Denny F. Walling Roger Metzger

metirish Sep 06 2007 02:41 PM

Cesar Cedeno did it two times. Cesar Cedeno - August 2, 1972 - Cincinnati at Houston .....................- August 9, 1976 - Houston at St. Louis No to the others.

sharpie Sep 06 2007 02:41 PM

Lee May Jose Cruz

sharpie Sep 06 2007 02:45 PM

Billy Hatcher.

metirish Sep 06 2007 04:31 PM

No,no and no. Three more players needed.

DocTee Sep 06 2007 04:44 PM

Adam Everett.

metirish Sep 06 2007 04:52 PM

No to Adam.

Rockin' Doc Sep 06 2007 05:34 PM

I'm going to go with the "Toy Cannon", Jimmy Wynn. I always liked that nickname when I was a kid.

sharpie Sep 06 2007 09:01 PM

Bob Aspromonte Dennis Menke Ray Knight

metirish Sep 07 2007 06:50 AM

No to Wynn,Aspromonte,Kinght and Menke.

DocTee Sep 07 2007 07:16 AM

Brad Ausmus

HahnSolo Sep 07 2007 07:47 AM

Didn't Bob Watson cycle in both the AL and NL?

metirish Sep 07 2007 07:52 AM

Yes Bob Watson was the first player to hit for the cycle in both leagues. Bob Watson - June 24, 1977 - San Francisco at Houston Watson hit for the cycle as a Boston player in 1979. Craig Biggio - April 8, 2002 - Houston at Colorado Jeff Bagwell - July 18, 2001 - St. Louis at Houston Cesar Cedeno - August 2, 1972 - Cincinnati at Houston .....................- August 9, 1976 - Houston at St. Louis Two more players.....

sharpie Sep 07 2007 08:01 AM

Andujar Cedeno (guessing only 'cause he was an Astro and has the same last name as Cesar).

Johnny Dickshot Sep 07 2007 08:05 AM

Lee May Lee Maye Jerry Mumphrey Gerald Young

metirish Sep 07 2007 08:07 AM

Yes Sharpie.... Andujar Cedeno - August 25, 1992 - St. Louis at Houston Luke Scott was the other and more recent player. Luke Scott - July 28, 2006 - Arizona at Houston Some fun facts. * Cesar Cedeno is the only Astro to hit for the cycle more than once * After his trade to Boston, Bob Watson became the first player in major-league history to hit for the cycle in each league * Dan Larson is the only Astro pitcher to start two games in which an Astro hit for the cycle * Andujar Cedeno is the first Astro to hit for the cycle in a losing cause, and the first Astro to require extra innings * Three of the team's cycles have come against the St. Louis Cardinals * The most difficult hit, the triple, has been the first hit in three of the team's cycles * Luke Scott's 2006 cycle was done in perfect reverse order, the first in Astros history. He was also the first Astro rookie to hit for the cycle. Honorable Mention goes to Kevin Bass. In the 7th inning of a June, 1987 game in San Francisco, right fielder Kevin Bass needed only a single to become just the third player in Astros history to hit for the cycle. With the Astros leading, 6-2, the game seemed well in hand. So when Bass lined an easy single to left field, he seemingly joined an exclusive group. But Bass was not thinking about individual accomplishments, but rather making sure his team won the game. Instead of stopping at first, he hustled to second and barely beat the throw in to pick up a double. He lost the distinction of hitting for the cycle, but won a place in the hearts of countless Astros fans. For that, he deserves consideration on this page. Bass batted #5 in the lineup behind Glenn Davis. Jim Deshaies started for the Astros against Kelly Downs. A summary of Bass's game: Thanks for playing.

Centerfield Sep 07 2007 08:18 AM

Kevin Bass holds a special place in my heart too.

Frayed Knot Sep 07 2007 10:46 AM

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TransMonk Sep 07 2007 10:53 AM

Their KTEs are way dirtier than ours.

metirish Sep 07 2007 10:56 AM

That person is trying way too hard to be funny.

soupcan Sep 07 2007 11:15 AM

I liked this line though - Sunday is “Take Her Out to the Ballgame” Day, when they'll give away 25,000 man-purses that Mike Piazza left behind.

sharpie Sep 07 2007 11:22 AM

I don't think we've ever had a KTE where we took note of the promotional giveaways of a team the Mets were visiting.

Edgy DC Sep 07 2007 11:27 AM

I bet we have.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 07 2007 11:44 AM

The hate they have for Beltran seems excessive. I mean, Mets fans have had plenty of scorn for Mike Hampton, but I don't think it was because of him taking the dollars, but because of that shot at New York area schools. Beltran didn't do anything like that, did he?

Frayed Knot Sep 07 2007 01:28 PM

Their view on Beltran is that he mis-led the Astros during negotiations. Personally I think it's really just an excuse to hate on a player who left - which is the same thing Met fans used Hampton's "good schools" line to do. The fact that Carlos left Houston for big, bad New York is just added reason to pile on. Needless to say, the folks on that board (and that guy in particular it seems) don't like New York in general or the Mets in particular very much and aren't shy about saying so. I personally find it amusing and would be disappointed if that vitriol were missing.

seawolf17 Sep 07 2007 01:34 PM

Yeah, that guy's a jackass. ="soupcan"]I liked this line though - Sunday is “Take Her Out to the Ballgame” Day, when they'll give away 25,000 man-purses that Mike Piazza left behind. I'll second that. I was about to post that also. Funny. And in defense of them hating the Mets, as pathetic as some of our history is, theirs is worse, and we ripped 'em up when it mattered, and we're the same age.

G-Fafif Sep 07 2007 04:38 PM

Future HOFer Craig Biggio will be playing his last games in front of his more or less hometown crowd. I'll be curious to see a) if he foregoes the veteran prerogative of sitting out the Sunday game to face Pedro one final time in what shapes up as a marquee pitching matchup; b) whether his goodbye appearance motivates any kind of spontaneous ovation or if the Mets prepare some kind of 3,000-hit tribute video to a longtime opponent and local boy; c) if I will be at all moved to clap Sunday given his MFY fan boyhood in Suffolk and the sense that though he's technically proven himself one of the greats, he doesn't have that Bigger Than The Game quality on the Mays/Aaron level, but then again, who does? I'll probably give him the respectful applause I generally try to remember to give the other team's accomplished star who hasn't embarrassed baseball or too greatly annoyed me upon his first at-bat. I'm sure he'll be relieved.