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User 362 Aug 27 2007 06:43 AM

Four Mets pitchers excelled in the minors yesterday, led by Kevin Mulvey of the Binghamton Mets. Mulvey pitched six innings of four-hit ball, holding the Trenton Yankees to the only two runs they scored in the game. He walked just one batter while striking out 10. Though he didn't gain the victory, the five Mets relievers that followed him held the Yankees scoreless until the 14th inning when a single, double, and error produced the Mets winning run. The other pitchers who performed well were Deolis Guerra, Dylan Owen, and Michael Olmsted. [url=http://metbaseball.blogspot.com/]Link[/url]

metirish Aug 27 2007 07:02 AM

What kind of stuff does Mulvey have,do you agree with one blogger I heard on SNY saying that he's a Brian Bannister type,a fourth or fifth type starter....maybe.

User 362 Aug 27 2007 07:13 AM

metirish wrote: What kind of stuff does Mulvey have,do you agree with one blogger I heard on SNY saying that he's a Brian Bannister type,a fourth or fifth type starter....maybe. Hi metirish. I judge a pitcher by his performance. If he performs well, his stuff must be decent. Here's what I wrote about Mulvey in a [url=http://www.flushinguniversity.com/moxie/columns/mets-past-present-future-3.shtml]recent column[/url]: ]He's one of the few Mets minor leaguers who can throw four pitches: a fastball, curve, slider, and changeup ... He leads the B-Mets in wins with 10 and, of the starters, has the lowest WHIP at 1.28. His ERA is the sixth best in the Eastern League and his WHIP is only .13 behind the league leader. Baseball America rated him as the Mets sixth best prospect. Bannister didn't pitch as well as Mulvey is during Bannister's first season in Double-A. I don't think it's a bad thing to be called a Bannister-type. I was sorry to see the Mets trade him, and he's been pitching well for the Royals, especially of late.

Edgy DC Aug 27 2007 07:21 AM

Bannister did well at Bingo. At 23, he went 3-3, 4.06 after a midseason callup. At 24, he went 9-4 2.56 in 18 starts. That's certainly better than Mulvey's 11-10, 3.34 in 25 starts. The good news is that Mulvey's two years younger.

User 362 Aug 27 2007 07:29 AM Bannister and Mulvey

Edgy DC wrote: Bannister did well at Bingo. At 23, he went 3-3, 4.06 after a midseason callup. At 24, he went 9-4 2.56 in 18 starts. That's certainly better than Mulvey's 11-10, 3.34 in 25 starts. The good news is that Mulvey's two years younger. Hi Edgy DC. I agree that Bannister did better in his second season at Binghamton than he did in his first; however, I think if Mulvey were to pitch again next season in Binghamton he'd do as well, if not better than Bannister. I don't expect that to happen. If Mulvey's doesn't make the Mets roster, which though a long-shot isn't impossible, I think he'll start next season in Triple-A. I definitely think he's a better pitcher than Jason Vargas.

seawolf17 Aug 27 2007 07:38 AM

I think Mulvey's definitely on the B-list of pitching prospects in the organization; he'll likely see major league action somewhere, it's just a matter of whether it will be as a Met or if he'll be dealt.

User 362 Aug 27 2007 07:46 AM Mulvey

seawolf17 wrote: I think Mulvey's definitely on the B-list of pitching prospects in the organization; he'll likely see major league action somewhere, it's just a matter of whether it will be as a Met or if he'll be dealt. I hope the Mets give Mulvey more of a chance to prove himself in the majors than they did Kazmir before they consider trading him.

Edgy DC Aug 27 2007 07:55 AM Re: Bannister and Mulvey Edited 3 time(s), most recently on Aug 27 2007 11:24 AM

metbaseball wrote: ="Edgy DC"]Bannister did well at Bingo. At 23, he went 3-3, 4.06 after a midseason callup. At 24, he went 9-4 2.56 in 18 starts. That's certainly better than Mulvey's 11-10, 3.34 in 25 starts. The good news is that Mulvey's two years younger. Hi Edgy DC. I agree that Bannister did better in his second season at Binghamton than he did in his first; however, I think if Mulvey were to pitch again next season in Binghamton he'd do as well, if not better than Bannister. I don't expect that to happen. If Mulvey's doesn't make the Mets roster, which though a long-shot isn't impossible, I think he'll start next season in Triple-A. I definitely think he's a better pitcher than Jason Vargas. Sure, but his first season wasn't a season at all, but rather a modest interlude of eight starts. The good news in sorting that out is that his 18 starts in 2005 combine with his eight from the end of 2004 to add up to something remarkably like a full minor-league season. Year W L ERA G GS CG SH GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO WP BK  H9 HR9 BB9 K9 WHIP 2004 3 3 4.06 8 8 0 0 0 0 44.1 45 23 20 2 17 28 4 0 9.14 0.41 3.45 5.68 1.40 2005 9 4 2.56 18 18 1 1 1 0 109.0 91 36 31 11 27 94 2 1  7.51 0.91 2.23 7.76 1.08 Total 12 7 3.00 26 26 1 1 1 0 153.1 136 59 51 13 44 122 6 1 7.99 0.76 2.59 7.17 1.18

metirish Aug 27 2007 07:56 AM Re: Mulvey

metbaseball wrote: ="seawolf17"]I think Mulvey's definitely on the B-list of pitching prospects in the organization; he'll likely see major league action somewhere, it's just a matter of whether it will be as a Met or if he'll be dealt. I hope the Mets give Mulvey more of a chance to prove himself in the majors than they did Kazmir before they consider trading him. Mulvey is not considered even close to the prospect Kazmir was,is he?....

User 362 Aug 27 2007 09:18 AM Comment about table

Edgy, It's strange that when I view your table when I'm not logged in all I see is the HTML code; however, when I log in the table displays correctly.

Edgy DC Aug 27 2007 09:24 AM

One of many fine reasons to log in.

Frayed Knot Aug 27 2007 11:17 AM

]Mulvey is not considered even close to the prospect Kazmir was,is he?.... No. Mulvey was the 61st overall pick as a supposedly more advanced college pitcher. That's a nice spot, but not where an overwhelming talent would normally get selected and I don't see him being anywhere near the upper tier of prospects when this sort of stuff is evaluated over this coming off-season. Kazmir was a less-polished but theoretically more high-ceilinged high-schooler taken 15th overall and maybe would have gone earlier than that except that some teams were scared away by the prospect of having to buy him out of the college scholarship (U Texas) he already had in his pocket. On account of that perceived potential - as well as his early success in the lower minors - Kazmir was almost immediately near the top of all those prospect lists. All that was, of course, the main source of frustration over the trade. First a top-10 talent falls to you in the middle of the 1st round ... then the early returns makes it look to be as good as you hoped ... and then you go and trade it and get only an iffy talent in return.

Edgy DC Aug 27 2007 11:23 AM

The greater point is to view trades --- as much as I dislike the whole practice --- not necessarily as an insult to the traded player and a disrespect to his abilities and future, but as a tactical decision weighing that against what they are acquiring. The Mets weren't wrong about Scott Kazmir. They were wrong about Scott Kazmir relative to Victor Zambrano. Kazmir alone shouldn't factor into any decision to keep or deal Mulvey.

smg58 Aug 27 2007 11:25 AM

I wasn't under the impression that Pelfrey or Humber has ever been as highly regarded a prospect as Kazmir was, much less Mulvey. Mulvey's doing just fine for a kid his age. Bannister's a difficult comparison, because he wasn't as touted a prospect and is currently exceeding his major leage expectations.

Edgy DC Aug 27 2007 11:54 AM

Met pitching phenoms through Pelfrey, as ranked by Baseball America. Year Pelfrey Humber Petit Kazmir Peterson Heilman Strange Roberts Dotel Yarnell Goetz Wilson Pulsipher Isringhausen Jones Young Vasquez Schourek Valera 2007 20 73 2006 36 2005 50 46 2004 12 88 2003 11 45 2002 78 2001 63 2000 78 84 1999 79 45 1998 29 60 96 1997 1996 2 1995 16 12 37 1994 21 1993 28 1992 55 92 1991 26 33 98 1990 56

Johnny Dickshot Aug 27 2007 12:12 PM

You could eat off that table.

metirish Aug 27 2007 12:50 PM

Wilson was that highly touted?,what happened that he went form 16 to 2...obviously others went to the majors but what else?

Johnny Dickshot Aug 27 2007 12:58 PM

Wilson was a No. 1 overall slam-dunky pick.

Edgy DC Aug 27 2007 01:02 PM

> Year Team Lg Age Org Level W L ERA G GS CG SH GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO WP BK H9 HR9 BB9 K9 WHIP 1995 Binghamton East 22 Nym AA 6 3 2.17 16 16 4 1 0 0 120.1 89 34 29 5 24 127 4 3 6.66 0.37 1.80 9.50 0.94 1995 Norfolk IL 22 Nym AAA 5 3 2.85 10 10 4 2 0 0 66.1 59 25 21 3 20 67 2 0 8.01 0.41 2.71 9.09 1.19

Frayed Knot Aug 27 2007 01:34 PM

"The Mets weren't wrong about Scott Kazmir." Well, there were at least some in the Wilpon circle of advisors who were. "They were wrong about Scott Kazmir relative to Victor Zambrano." Quite wrong "Kazmir alone shouldn't factor into any decision to keep or deal Mulvey." Of course

User 362 Aug 27 2007 01:50 PM Re: Mulvey

metirish wrote: ="metbaseball"] ="seawolf17"]I think Mulvey's definitely on the B-list of pitching prospects in the organization; he'll likely see major league action somewhere, it's just a matter of whether it will be as a Met or if he'll be dealt. I hope the Mets give Mulvey more of a chance to prove himself in the majors than they did Kazmir before they consider trading him. Mulvey is not considered even close to the prospect Kazmir was,is he?.... Of course not. The point I was trying to make was that I hope that the Mets don't trade Mulvey before giving him a chance to pitch for awhile in the majors.

Valadius Aug 27 2007 01:56 PM

I hope we continue to cultivate our young pitchers. I'd like to see some younger arms in the bullpen.

metirish Aug 27 2007 02:08 PM

Valadius wrote: I hope we continue to cultivate our young pitchers. I'd like to see some younger arms in the bullpen. Val they are not plants...all very nice to have young home grown guys in the pen but then we'd be complaining about them being to young and not experienced enough.

Valadius Aug 27 2007 03:33 PM

LOL... well it's better, in my opinion, to have young live arms than to have old tired ones. Especially considering the likes of Sele and Shitty-weis.

MFS62 Aug 27 2007 04:54 PM

Schoeneweis has poisoned more games than China. Later

smg58 Aug 28 2007 07:32 AM

The Mets would have a much stronger pen this year if they had opted to give their young arms a chance instead of dealing most of them and giving multi-year deals to guys who not only were perfectly capable of imploding, but whose best case scenario would still have made them replaceable.

Edgy DC Aug 28 2007 07:39 AM

MFS62 wrote: Schoeneweis has poisoned more games than China. Later Huh?

Edgy DC Aug 28 2007 07:52 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 28 2007 05:10 PM

Valadius wrote: LOL... well it's better, in my opinion, to have young live arms than to have old tired ones. Especially considering the likes of Sele and Shitty-weis. Please stop with the ridiculous nicknames. It's like sitting next to the most obnoxious guy at shea. Bannister for Burgos? Bad deal? Sure looks like it. But Burgos is almost three years younger than Bannister. Bell and Ring for Johnson and Adkins? Looks bad today, man. But John Adkins is less than a month older than Heath Bell. Ben Johnson is a year and a half younger than Royce Ring. So we got younger there also, if possibly a little older, arm-wise. Duaner Sanchez is two and a half years younger than Jae Weong Seo. And others, Kris Benson at 30 was traded for a 26-year-old Jorge Juliio and and a 24-year-old John Maine. You can argue about all these deals (and there are certainly deals (Juio-for-Hernandez, for instance) where the arms got older), but can we please, everybody, stop making this stuff up about how the Mets hate young players (particularly pitchers). We consider all our pitchers on the verge --- even if they've been around for years --- young, and somehow don't regard the youth the team brings in as being part of the equation.

User 362 Aug 28 2007 08:55 AM Jorge Julio

Edgy DC wrote: And others, Kris Benson at 30 was traded for a 26-year-old Jorge Juliio and and a 24-year-old John Maine. Jorge Julio, another reliever that Minaya traded for who didn't work out. When will he realize that power pitchers need more than a power pitch to be successful. Howard

Edgy DC Aug 28 2007 09:13 AM

So now the Mets aren't blinded to the nuance of evaluation by age and experience, but by velocity? Jorge Julio was flipped into Orlando Hernandez and has worked out just fine. I mean, do we have to compare what the O's have gotten out of Benson to what the Mets have gotten out of Julio, Hernandez, and Maine?

Johnny Dickshot Aug 28 2007 09:35 AM

Besides that is the fact that Julio wasn't bad at all beyond his first 4 appearances.

Willets Point Aug 28 2007 09:40 AM

Didn't he only appear 5 times? <kidding>

metirish Aug 28 2007 09:47 AM

Looking back Julio for Hernandez might be the best trade Omar ever made,be hard to top it again.

MFS62 Aug 28 2007 04:40 PM

Edgy DC wrote: ="MFS62"]Schoeneweis has poisoned more games than China. Later Huh? It was an allusion to all the childrens' games and toys made in China that have been recalled recently because they contained substances that are harmful to children. Its been big news. Later

Edgy DC Aug 28 2007 05:24 PM

I understand that it's been big news.