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Let It Go Already (Split from Standings)

Centerfield Sep 04 2007 01:14 PM

It feels weird to root for the Braves. I know it doesn't make sense logically, but I think I'd like to see Philly take one of these games. I would hate to see Atlanta get started on a run. Can you believe they're still trying to do the tomahawk chop in Atlanta? That would be like the Mets trying to bring back "Who Let the Dogs Out".

Johnny Dickshot Sep 04 2007 01:17 PM

Wish the Mets would wake up and realize the black unis are just as dated as WLTDO.

sharpie Sep 04 2007 01:22 PM

I think it's time to retire that mock-Italian song they play after "Take Me Out to the Ball Game." Change it up, guys.

Edgy DC Sep 04 2007 01:27 PM

Yelling Day-O! back at the PA system is neither fun nor funny. Collective goofiness aside, it just makes no sense at all to me.

Gwreck Sep 04 2007 01:45 PM

I too wish the black uniforms would disappear forever. My personal least-favorite PA gimmick is the "ev'rybody clap yo' hands!" they seem to play at least 5 times a game.

HahnSolo Sep 04 2007 01:47 PM

sharpie wrote: I think it's time to retire that mock-Italian song they play after "Take Me Out to the Ball Game." Change it up, guys. I totally agree. Johnny Franco's been gone for years.

Valadius Sep 04 2007 01:51 PM

sharpie wrote: I think it's time to retire that mock-Italian song they play after "Take Me Out to the Ball Game." Change it up, guys. You are right on the money. Good lord, I HATE that song! There's no freaking point to it!!!

Edgy DC Sep 04 2007 01:51 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 04 2007 01:54 PM

Gwreck wrote: I too wish the black uniforms would disappear forever. My personal least-favorite PA gimmick is the "ev'rybody clap yo' hands!" they seem to play at least 5 times a game. Annoying, but there's a sense to it. Hand-clapping generates enthusiasm (at least in theory). "Day-o" is a song about fatigue.

metirish Sep 04 2007 01:53 PM

Gwreck wrote: I too wish the black uniforms would disappear forever. My personal least-favorite PA gimmick is the "ev'rybody clap yo' hands!" they seem to play at least 5 times a game. Why not dump the PA system and let the fans make the noise,use the PA system for announcements and such.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 04 2007 02:08 PM

I also despise the black jerseys (and the all-black cap) but I understand the desire to have a variety of uniforms to sell to the fans. So rather than advocate their elimination, I'd be willing to settle for their infrequent appearance, like for Sunday night games or midweek day games. They can use the all-white jersey (and the blue cap) on weekend day games at home, and pinstripes and blue caps for all other home games. The blue and black cap can be the official road cap, except when they're wearing the black jersey. Then they'd break out the awful all-black caps.

metirish Sep 04 2007 02:10 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 04 2007 02:33 PM

I own the all black cap and like it better than the black cap with blue bill but not as much as I like my all Mets blue Mets cap . My first thought yesterday when I tuned into the game was why are they wearing all black in that heat.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 04 2007 02:20 PM

I have three caps that I wear: An all-blue Mets cap, a blue/black Mets cap, and a classic blue Brooklyn Dodgers cap. I wore the Brooklyn cap in California. Whenever I'm in LA I feel like I ought to be representing the borough of my birth.

metsguyinmichigan Sep 04 2007 02:40 PM

The Tigers only recently started making better choices about what to play over the PA. For years, we'd cringe as the Tiger Stadium organist played "Mexican Hat Dance" for the fourth time in a game. But for the last two years they've played "Detroit Rock City" as the team takes the field and even mix in a Motown song or two during a game. I think sometimes people who make decisions think of things as traditions -- "We've played that bad Italian song for years. People expect it!" -- without thinking that people probably don't like it. And for the record -- I have all the assorted caps, but the solid blue is by far my favorite. The can't ditch the black jerseys fast enough for me. I'd rather see solid blue alts.

G-Fafif Sep 04 2007 03:14 PM

I see the black caps and unis and I see 1999 and 2000. Granted, it's not 1999 or 2000 anymore, but it's a pleasant reminder of my favorite era of Mets baseball. I also find myself unable to separate the last strains of Take Me Out to the Ball Game from the opening notes of Lazy Mary. Come 2009, I'd be willing to wipe the slate clean or at least get all our traditions in a row, but I'd like to see a little bit of everything in the mix for 2008. Bring back Who Let The Dogs Out for a week. Bring back that silly but effective DiamondVision bit where the Mets spaceship blows up all the other logos, including the MFY Death Star. Bring back the Mexican Hat Dance for a week. Bring back the recently MIA Peter Finch and of course the Curly Shuffle and Mettle the Mule (maybe not that last one), but Shea it up like crazy next year and then if we want to settle on a few basics for CF and build from there, I'd be on board.

bmfc1 Sep 04 2007 04:14 PM

The Mets have won 4 in a row wearing black so you know we'll see them today.

Willets Point Sep 04 2007 04:40 PM

I like "Lazy Mary," it's a nice tradition like "Thank God I'm a Country Boy" in Balmer.

martin Sep 04 2007 05:32 PM

1. lazy mary is fantastic 2. sweet caroline is an abomination. 3. i enjoy clapping my hands, and i like how immediately the crowd gets the rhythm when the "everybody clap your hands" announcement goes. 4. i am still looking forward to the inevitable orange hats. 5. i own a black hat, it looks awesome. black hats are better than black jerseys. 6. "day-o" is really bad. i dont understand the point of it.

Kid Carsey Sep 04 2007 05:48 PM

I like Lazy, I usually start clapping before TMOttBG is over. Sweet Caroline has no place anywhere, let alone Shea. I like the black road uni's. I like being in first place the most. I dislike stuff that has kinda been imported from Yankee games the last couple of years which I'm not going to waste keystrokes trying to list.

seawolf17 Sep 04 2007 06:07 PM

martin wrote: 1. lazy mary is fantastic 2. sweet caroline is an abomination. 3. i enjoy clapping my hands, and i like how immediately the crowd gets the rhythm when the "everybody clap your hands" announcement goes. 4. i am still looking forward to the inevitable orange hats. 5. i own a black hat, it looks awesome. black hats are better than black jerseys. 6. "day-o" is really bad. i dont understand the point of it. Yes, yes, yes, no, yes, and yes. I have a very weathered fitted blue hat and a similarly weathered fitted Connecticut Defenders hat that I wear almost exclusively, despite having a bin full of hats. I also do have the black hat, but I always choose the blue one. I am also a proud former owner of the short-lived white hat from the Masato Yoshii years; I also have (somewhere, although I have no idea where) an old blue hat with a very faded Sid Fernandez autograph under the bill that I got as a kid. ="Kid Carsey"]I like Lazy, I usually start clapping before TMOttBG is over. Sweet Caroline has no place anywhere, let alone Shea. I like the black road uni's. I like being in first place the most. I dislike stuff that has kinda been imported from Yankee games the last couple of years which I'm not going to waste keystrokes trying to list. Yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes. I'm a big fan of Lazy Mary; I enjoy its uniqueness to Shea. I'd bet they go another direction at the new place.

Johnny Dickshot Sep 04 2007 06:28 PM

]I see the black caps and unis and I see 1999 and 2000. Exactly, it's dated. Not sure that 1999-00 is old enough to be looked back upon with nostalgia yet. Lazy Mary -- like it. Tho also a relic of the Valentine-Franco-Piazza eye-talian Mets. I'm OK with a new one here if they choose it well. Caroline -- duh. Ev'rybody clap yo hands -- OK as irritating PA blasts go. Orange hats -- sure Blue/black caps -- Fugly All black caps -- better than black/blue but still stupid. All blue is a billion times better. I think I'm with Martin here.

seawolf17 Sep 04 2007 06:34 PM

Hey, the Reds just played that "everybody clap your hands" thing.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 04 2007 07:06 PM

I'm beginning to think I'm in the minority, but I like the blue/black a lot better than the all black. But they're both way behind all blue.

Nymr83 Sep 04 2007 07:18 PM

yeah i'd rather add some color to the black...but i'd rather they just didn't wear it at all.

Edgy DC Sep 04 2007 07:23 PM

OK, so if we're going to affect policy, the greatest consensus is 1) No Day-O 2) No "Sweet Caroline." (I like the song, but the tradition belongs elsewhere and is cheap at Shea.) 3) No Y. No M. No C. No A. Seems like Shea does better than most. Other selections for the Tigers: 1) "(Taking it to) Detroit" The Good Rats 2) "Panic in Detroit" Bowie 3) "Kick out the Jams" The Motor City Five 4) "Put Your Hands Up 4 Detroit" Fedde Le Grand 5) "Detroit City" Tom Jones

G-Fafif Sep 04 2007 07:56 PM

Edgy DC wrote: 2) No "Sweet Caroline." (I like the song, but the tradition belongs elsewhere and is cheap at Shea.) Minority report, Mr. Chairman... I think stealing "Sweet Caroline" was a justifiable crime last October given Neil Diamond's local roots and the "so good so good" was so good when sung by 56,000 strong. But I'd save it for whatever playoffs there are if there are (will not say "will be" 'cause...just won't) because that's when it was great. As the regular season has worn on, it feels not so much thieved but warmed over. Besides, the between-innings pause is long enough in postseason play to get the entire thing sung. Also, the Mets should be winning when it's played. For that matter, the Mets should be winning all the time. That would be a pretty awesome Shea/Citi tradition. Huzzah to the Brewers for maintaining at Miller Park as they had at County Stadium when I was last at a game in Milwaukee before last week "Roll Out the Barrel" to follow "Take Me Out to the Ball Game". There aren't nearly enough songs that include the word "tararrel" in them. Huzzah also for wearing the '82 unis every Friday night this year to commemorate their last pennant. Huzzah for fans who stick with a team that hasn't won a blessed thing in 25 years.

metsguyinmichigan Sep 04 2007 08:13 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Other selections for the Tigers: 1) "(Taking it to) Detroit" The Good Rats 2) "Panic in Detroit" Bowie 3) "Kick out the Jams" The Motor City Five 4) "Put Your Hands Up 4 Detroit" Fedde Le Grand 5) "Detroit City" Tom Jones Good Rats! Sweet! As for Bowie, they're pretty sensitive to the whole "Detroit is a bad place" thing so nothing with a panic is going to get played. :) You forgot Bob Seger, who seems to get played every other song out here no matter what the station's format is...."And that was the Da Game and Fitty Cent, followed by a 'Like a Rock.'"

Edgy DC Sep 04 2007 08:19 PM

Know what has a local connection? Any song the Beatles played at Shea, bub.

Gwreck Sep 04 2007 08:21 PM

The Tigers play "Dancing in the Street" after victories. I thought that was a fantastic choice.

G-Fafif Sep 04 2007 08:29 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Know what has a local connection? Any song the Beatles played at Shea, bub. Overlooked generally is "SC" is sponsored by XM as the XM Singalong. In 2006, several songs were tried in that slot, including "I Saw Her Standing There". No reaction for anything by anybody except for "Sweet Caroline." Can't have a singalong if nobody's singing along. Not a perfect fit, but for a singalong with local flavor, I'd give "Piano Man" a shot. And a beer.

Edgy DC Sep 04 2007 08:31 PM

Ew.

Gwreck Sep 04 2007 08:31 PM

I've always advocated using Springsteen's "Glory Days" for that singalong spot.

G-Fafif Sep 04 2007 08:33 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Ew. Interesting point.

Johnny Dickshot Sep 04 2007 08:51 PM

Gwreck wrote: I've always advocated using Springsteen's "Glory Days" for that singalong spot. ew

metirish Sep 04 2007 09:03 PM

I'm certain jeff Keppinger came to bat tonight to AC/DC's "TNT"....which is just funny.

G-Fafif Sep 04 2007 09:05 PM

People, certainly Mets fans, seem to be self-conscious by nature. Asking them to sing on command serves to make them recede further into their humility shell (chant and clap? sure; sing? uh, you start...). Everybody cringed at "Our Team, Our Time" last year so they gave us the "Meet the Mets" singalong and few really sing along. Nobody sung along to "The Curly Shuffle". They cheered it, but they didn't sing even the "hey mo/hey mo" part. Maybe the best you can hope for are a few "oh oh oh"s when they arise. I wonder if XM has sold one more subscription based on this particular sponsorship. (I could do without the announcement of "tonight's selection" as if it's ever anything but "Sweet Caroline".)

Willets Point Sep 04 2007 09:36 PM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: ="Gwreck"]I've always advocated using Springsteen's "Glory Days" for that singalong spot. ew Music snob.

Johnny Dickshot Sep 04 2007 10:08 PM

And proud of it. I'm tellin ya. I saw Bruce and his non E Streeters back in 91 or 92 and they did Glory Days as a finale, not Rosalita or something with real sack. The rubes and lowbrows loved it. I sat there thinking no way he's last long enough to rip off Tommy Tutone.

Edgy DC Sep 04 2007 10:37 PM

Spread out now Rosie, doctor come cut loose her mama's reins You know playin' blind man's bluff is a little baby's game You pick up Little Dynamite, I'm gonna pick up Little Gun And together we're gonna go out tonight, and make that highway run You don't have to call me 'lieutenant,' Rosie and I don't want to be your son The only lover I'm ever gonna need's your soft sweet little girl's tongue Rosie, you're the one! Dynamite's in the belfry, playin' with the bats Little Gun's downtown in front of Woolworth's, tryin' out his attitude on all the cats Papa's on the corner, waitin' for the bus Mama she's home in the window, waitin' up for us She'll be there in that chair when they wrestle her upstairs, 'cuz you know we ain't gonna come I ain't here for business, I'm only here for fun And Rosie you're the one! Rosalita, jump a little lighter! Señorita, come sit by my fire! I just want to be your love, ain't no lie! Rosalita you're my stone desire! Jack the Rabbit and Weak Knees Willie, you know they're gonna be there Ah, sloppy Sue and Big Bones Billie, they'll be comin' up for air We're gonna play some pool, skip some school, act real cool Stay out all night, it's gonna feel all right So Rosie come out tonight, baby come out tonight Windows are for cheaters, chimneys for the poor Closets are for hangers, winners use the door So use it Rosie, that's what it's there for! Rosalita, jump a little lighter! Señorita, come sit by my fire! I just want to be your love, ain't no lie! Rosalita you're my stone desire! Now I know your mama she don't like me 'cause I play in a rock and roll band And I know your daddy he don't dig me, but he never did understand Papa lowered the boom, he locked you in your room, I'm comin' to lend a hand I'm comin' to liberate you, confiscate you, I want to be your man Someday we'll look back on this and it will all seem funny But now you're sad, your mama's mad... And your papa says he knows that I don't have any money! And your papa says he knows that I don't have any money! Tell him this is last chance To get his daughter in a fine romance Because a record company, Rosie Just gave me a big advance My tires were slashed and I almost crashed but the Lord had mercy My machine she's a dud, I'm stuck in the mud somewhere in the swamps of Jersey Hold on tight, stay up all night, 'cause Rosie I'm comin' on strong By the time we meet the morning light, I will hold you in my arms I know a pretty little place in Southern California, down San Diego way There's a little cafe, where they play guitars all night and day You can hear them in the back room strummin' So hold tight baby, 'cause don't you know daddy's comin' SLOW! Rosalita, jump a little lighter! Señorita, come sit by my fire! I just want to be your love, ain't no lie! Rosalita you're my stone desire! Ya ya ya ya Hey! hey! hey hey! Hey! hey! hey hey! Hey! hey! hey hey! Hey! hey! hey hey!

Gwreck Sep 04 2007 11:00 PM

Even at the height of not just music by my own Springsteen snobbery, I can still understand and appreciate the value of "Glory Days." :) Where did you see him in '92? Those shows varied widely in quality, moreso perhaps than any of his other tours.

Elster88 Sep 05 2007 05:18 AM

On the other hand, they could just get rid of "the singalong" altogether and leave it to pre-school where it belongs.

HahnSolo Sep 05 2007 07:22 AM

Not to defend the Mets about Sweet Caroline, but isn't the playing of that song tied in with a sponsor? I thought that was the case the last two times I was at Shea.

seawolf17 Sep 05 2007 07:27 AM

Detroit should throw some Alice Cooper in there also. Maybe "Detroit City." I'll say this about "Piano Man"... when we saw Billy live at the Coliseum a few years back, and when Billy and the band cut out during the last chorus and let 12,000 people sing that song together, in tune and in unison, it's pretty frigging cool. It probably wouldn't work in a ballpark, though, as it's too slow.

Edgy DC Sep 05 2007 07:28 AM

The Giants wore that NY insignia in orange on black hats for decades, why can't the Mets? The blue insignia outlined by orange on a field of black is abominiable. The blue and black clash and the orange seems like a hasty solution to that problem, but ends up broadly overdrawing the logo and destroys the simplistic beauty of the thing. It's a domino effect of ugly. In fact, I think, at many levels, the imposition of black into the color scheme has started a cascade of ugly. The blue brims, Rick Peterson's jacket, the sleestack batting helmet.

Johnny Dickshot Sep 05 2007 08:08 AM

Gwreck wrote: Even at the height of not just music by my own Springsteen snobbery, I can still understand and appreciate the value of "Glory Days." :) Where did you see him in '92? Those shows varied widely in quality, moreso perhaps than any of his other tours. The Spectrum. IIRC, it was November or December of that year (91 or 92?) I didn't think it was a bad show, it just didn't compare much to say, the River Tour in 1981. What I remember most was the Glory days closer, with the band all skipping around a big circle on stage. It was, like, totally faggy.

soupcan Sep 05 2007 08:10 AM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: I'm beginning to think I'm in the minority, but I like the blue/black a lot better than the all black. I'm with Yancy on this. Hate, hate, hate the all-black cap. I tolerate the black & blue but would prefer it only on the road and worn with the road greys. ="Edgy DC"]The blue insignia outlined by orange on a field of black is abominiable. The blue and black clash and the orange seems like a hasty solution to that problem, but ends up broadly overdrawing the logo and destroys the simplistic beauty of the thing. It's a domino effect of ugly. Could not agree more with that statement. The kids like the black. I guess that black connotes 'badass' on some level and kids like to think that their team, and by extension they, are badass. I guess. I just hope its a fashion trend that fades out sooner rather than later. Things I hate at Shea - That goddamned Homerun Apple. The 'Jose, Jose, Jose chant when initiated by the sound system. When the fans start it, its great, but I hate being manipulated.

Edgy DC Sep 05 2007 08:27 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 05 2007 08:35 AM

soupcan wrote: I just hope its a fashion trend that fades out sooner rather than later. I think it has, but the Mets haven't been cc'd. soupcan wrote: The 'Jose, Jose, Jose chant when initiated by the sound system. When the fans start it, its great, but I hate being manipulated. Well, yeah. I bet Reyes hates it at this point and a good chemical-bahavioral scientist can tie the PA track to his fading performance. I don't know how anybody but a Grandpa Crankypants can hate the apple.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 05 2007 08:34 AM

Edgy, I think you put soupcan's words in my mouth. (And they taste like cream of chicken!)

Willets Point Sep 05 2007 08:35 AM

I think this is Freudian slip that shows the Edgy thinks Yancy is a Grandpa Crankypants.

Edgy DC Sep 05 2007 08:35 AM

Nah. Fix't.

soupcan Sep 05 2007 08:38 AM

Edgy DC wrote: I don't know how anybody but a Grandpa Crankypants can hate the apple. That's fine, I've been called worse. ="Yancy Street Gang"]Edgy, I think you put soupcan's words in my mouth. (And they taste like cream of chicken!) You're welcome.

Centerfield Sep 05 2007 09:58 AM

I've never had a problem with the black uniforms or hats, though it may well be time to put them aside. I doubt they'll be making the trip to Citifield. I like Lazy Mary. Like KC, I can't hear the end of TMOTTBG without automatically going into the opening of the song. The real abomination is the orange dot on the all blue caps. I've been waiting for years for them to eliminate it and go back to what it was. Last month I realized you can buy the all blue hats without the dot if you buy the faded ones. My son got his first all-blue hat. He will never wear the orange dot as long as I can help it. It looks ridiculous. Like a fucking beanie. I know I'm in the minority here, but I dislike the pinstripes. If I were king, they'd wear the snow-whites at home, grays on the road, with an occasional all-blue alternative road jersey. Blue hats all the time, no orange dot. Everybody clap yo' hands must die. Sweet Caroline belongs in Boston.

Edgy DC Sep 05 2007 10:03 AM

Now that's where I think peeps are being persnickety just for the sake of it. How is painting a dot (with the established secondary color worse than painting the whole damn cap (a trendy new third color) and reconceiving a classic logo of antiquity into a desperate distorion? How? To me, that's like saying, "I don't mind that they're demolishing the Empire State Building. The real problem is that they turned off the fountain in front of the Plaza four months a year." It's a dot, and bringing it to the table trivializes the real issues. It always comes back to the damn dot, and so the Ban the Black movement gets no traction.

Centerfield Sep 05 2007 10:32 AM

The orange dot modifies the original. The black provides an alternative. If you hate the black hats, you don't have to buy or wear them. If I hate the orange dot, I can't simply buy an all-blue hat (without the dot) because the Mets don't wear one anymore. In my view, they can make as many alternative uniforms as they want...just leave the original alone. For that reason, although I've never liked the pinstripes, I can understand keeping them around.

Edgy DC Sep 05 2007 10:37 AM

Alternative garb is the greater threat. 99% right beats 100% wrong every day.

Rockin' Doc Sep 05 2007 10:59 AM

CF - "The real abomination is the orange dot on the all blue caps." I absolutely hate the orange dot on the blue hats. The only dumber addition to hats was the weird arches over the ears on the BP hats this spring.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 05 2007 11:23 AM

I think the dot was there for two or three years before I even noticed it. I'm completely ambivalent about the orange dot.

Willets Point Sep 05 2007 11:28 AM

The real crime is switching from woolen uniforms to acrylic fibers. That's a crying shame I tells ya.

G-Fafif Sep 05 2007 11:54 AM

I've been pro-dot all these years, if one can define oneself in relation to the dot, but now that I think about it, it probably took its cue from the Dodger caps with the white button, which should have been an indication of Wilponian Dodger envy.

Edgy DC Sep 05 2007 12:18 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 05 2007 12:40 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: I think the dot was there for two or three years before I even noticed it. I'm completely ambivalent about the orange dot. Exactly, it's turning the complaint box into a contest to see who can get most exercised about the most innocuous stuff that gets all complaints shitcanned.

soupcan Sep 05 2007 12:32 PM

Got no problem with the dot - in fact I like it. I think it only adds to the classic. Dodgers, Cubs - they got dots. It doesn't look like a beanie. If you attached a propeller to it, then it would look like a beanie Now if you really want to talk about the dumbing down of the classics then lets talk about the black drop shadows underneath the script Mets on the home unis and underneath 'New York' on the road grays. That's just utter disrespect. And it looks bad.

Willets Point Sep 05 2007 12:33 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 06 2007 06:29 AM

I think they should put the apple on the uniform.

Frayed Knot Sep 05 2007 12:34 PM

There are orange dots on the caps?

G-Fafif Sep 05 2007 12:37 PM

soupcan wrote: Now if you really want to talk about the dumbing down of the classics then lets talk about the black drop shadows underneath the script Mets on the home unis and underneath 'New York' on the road grays. That's just utter disrespect. And it looks bad. Charlie Samuels is on record as loving the shadow that infiltrated the 49er uniforms in the '90s. That's where that came from. I don't care for it either. Pinstripes are a little too corrupted to be totally enjoyed. None of this, by the way, detracts from the Mets fan experience as a whole. They can wear buttons and bows and blast all the dopey songs they like when you get right down to it.

soupcan Sep 05 2007 01:32 PM

Willets Point wrote: I think they should put apple on the uniform. Why I oughta...

SteveJRogers Sep 05 2007 05:08 PM

="Frayed Knot"]There are orange dots on the caps? The button on top of the cap

Frayed Knot Sep 05 2007 07:39 PM

Don't know what I'd do without ya dude.