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| Edgy DC Sep 11 2007 01:48 PM |
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Billy Jucketts preparing to be the last performer ever at Shea.
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| Gwreck Sep 11 2007 02:00 PM |
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1. I'm slightly disappointed this wasn't titled the "Official Steve J. Rogers thread." (Just kidding Steve! Sort of.)
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| soupcan Sep 11 2007 02:02 PM |
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So I guess the plan is for Joel to suck so bad that Shea will swallow itself like a black hole?
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| Benjamin Grimm Sep 11 2007 02:08 PM |
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Shortly after I "cursed" Tom Glavine's no-hitter a few days ago, I was thinking again about how I'd almost rather not see the Mets break their little jinx. I can sense how anti-climatic that would be.
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| Gwreck Sep 11 2007 02:14 PM |
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Who pitches it? Oliver Perez or John Maine?
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| Edgy DC Sep 11 2007 02:16 PM |
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And then Shea can stand in graceful retirement, while Billy Joel is demolished.
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| Benjamin Grimm Sep 11 2007 02:17 PM |
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I'd be okay with either of them. Or Pedro or Pelfrey or Humber or Glavine. It would probably be nicer, though, if it was someone young enough to have another ten years of Mets pitching ahead of him.
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| HahnSolo Sep 11 2007 03:04 PM |
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Have any other sports stadiums "closed" with concerts? Can't think of any, but I might be wrong.
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| Gwreck Sep 11 2007 03:10 PM |
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I believe Veterans Stadium closed with a Bon Jovi concert.
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| SI Metman Sep 11 2007 03:53 PM |
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Nope, that was in July and billed as the Vet's final rock concert. Phillies still had 2 1/2 months of baseball after that.
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| Valadius Sep 11 2007 04:20 PM |
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Watch it be Kevin Mulvey.
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| SteveJRogers Sep 11 2007 04:24 PM |
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Astrodome is still in use, but one of its major non Astros/Oilers attractions, the Houston Livestock Show And Rodeo had a George Strait (a usual performer at it, and its new home, Reliant Stadium home of the Texans) concert be a final send off
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| G-Fafif Sep 11 2007 04:35 PM |
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When Billy Joel played YS, he said something to the effect of he thought it would be great to play Shea because the Beatles did, but when he remembered Grand Funk did, too, it didn't seem that great.
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| Edgy DC Sep 11 2007 05:06 PM |
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I'm against the Mets lending him their authority for an apparently status-driven appearance.
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| SteveJRogers Sep 11 2007 05:23 PM |
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While Joel has a ton of Yankee links (Played at YS, grew up a Yankee fan, lyrics such as "Rose knows he's such a credit to the game/but the Yankees steal the headlines every time", he is wearing Yankee gear in the Stranger album, ect) but it still does seem odd for the Joel hate amongst a fan base that one would imagine would see a lot of cross pollination. Well maybe its just the Long Island thing that would make people feel that way.
Grand Funk? Greg, You do realize they are universally named as one of the worst groups in the history of rock & roll. Yeah thats akin to the amount of "pundits" that put Sgt. Pepper as the greatest album of all time despite the Beatles themselves putting Rubber Soul & Revolver above it, but considering the amount of Grand Funk hate that doesn't sound like a real good reason to dislike an artist.
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| Johnny Dickshot Sep 11 2007 06:16 PM |
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whoosh.
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| Edgy DC Sep 11 2007 06:21 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 11 2007 06:22 PM |
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Once again, you don't give anyone but yourself credit for nuance. It's the apparent pursuit of a status driven appearance at a place I love that I hate.
What Long Island thing?
No, they're not.
No, it's not.
He's disengenuously badmouthing other artists who are easily kickable while they're down, while trying to link himself by association to the top band ever. Just like he's trying to link himself to 44 years of Shea. Borrowed authority for somebody who long ago spent all his own authority.
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| Kid Carsey Sep 11 2007 06:22 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 11 2007 06:24 PM |
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I think Steve's on the second half of a bottle of vodka this evening.
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| SteveJRogers Sep 11 2007 06:22 PM |
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New York State Of Mind is generally played at Shea, both after a loss and after whatever winning game ending song of the moment is played.
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| Edgy DC Sep 11 2007 06:22 PM |
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By whom?
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| G-Fafif Sep 11 2007 06:23 PM |
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Joel sang the anthem for Game 2 of the '86 WS and was playing the Garden when Game 6 of the NLCS was in progress, giving updates all the way. Brought Carter and Ojeda on stage between series. Gave an interview asking "why don't people believe you can like both NY teams?" "NY State of Mind" has been a goodnight Shea staple since 2001. I'm willing to give him a celebrity dispensation given the locality of his roots. Also, he attempted to balance the Mantle reference in "We Didn't Start the Fire" with "Brooklyn's got a winning team". In the final verse, I always substitute "Amazin' Mets" for "Bernie Goetz".
As for who's universally named what by critics...Steve, I don't care, not even a little.
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| SteveJRogers Sep 11 2007 06:24 PM |
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Well if NYSOM is played at Shea as opposed to New York, New York I'd say the Mets consider him to be their version of Sinatra.
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| Edgy DC Sep 11 2007 06:27 PM |
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Which Mets?
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| Edgy DC Sep 11 2007 06:31 PM |
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Billy Joel is a great piano balladeer.
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| SteveJRogers Sep 11 2007 06:32 PM |
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Well considering NYSOM closes out Shea after every freaking game, clearly someone running the boards at Shea, or someone above them wants that to be the Mets "New York, New York"
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| seawolf17 Sep 11 2007 06:32 PM |
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Besides, "Some Kind of Wonderful" is one of the best songs ever.
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| SteveJRogers Sep 11 2007 06:37 PM |
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Please, everyone big-leagues everyone in that industry, or any other entertainment industry, even sports. The lead guy from Oasis once was told by Bono that he (Bono) thought they (Oasis) would someday be bigger than the Beatles. The jerkwad responded that they already were bigger than the Beatles! If I was Bono at that moment, I'd would have decked him. Its not uncommon to keep trashing something or someone you always looked upon as crud. If he didn't like them in the 60s why would he change his tune 30-40 years later?
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| SteveJRogers Sep 11 2007 06:44 PM |
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Speaking of big-leaguing and the genre I mentioned up thread, there has been a hell of a lot of big-leaguing in that genre through the years.
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| Edgy DC Sep 11 2007 06:45 PM |
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No, it's not.
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| SteveJRogers Sep 11 2007 06:47 PM |
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Okay, maybe in the part you and Cha are in, but its apparantly that is the exception to the rule.
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| Edgy DC Sep 11 2007 06:48 PM |
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One, that doesn't equal, "he's OUR Sinatra." Two, that doesn't equal, "Mets consider him to be their version of Sinatra." Three, "someone running the boards at Shea," so what? If he's Sinatra, who is Gene Simmons? Caruso?
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| Edgy DC Sep 11 2007 06:49 PM |
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Give me a break. Being a dick is being a dick is being a dick.
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| SteveJRogers Sep 11 2007 06:52 PM |
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Yeah, and my perception, granted its from a fan perspective from reading and watching interviews and the like, but it seems there are more dicks in the entire industry (no matter what genre) than there are good people who will give people breaks, respect those who came before (even if you didn't care for it) and acknowledge whats coming after them.
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| Edgy DC Sep 11 2007 06:57 PM |
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Great. Enjoy the concert.
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| metsguyinmichigan Sep 11 2007 09:02 PM |
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Having lived in Flint, Mich. for nine years, I know far more about Grand Funk Railroad than I really should. Some of the band members still live in the area -- as did ? from ? and the Mysterians, but his trailer home burned down some time back.
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| Edgy DC Sep 11 2007 09:24 PM |
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Is shallow the word you're looking for?
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| Edgy DC Sep 11 2007 09:34 PM |
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My off-the-top-of-my-head list of 200 bands that are worse than Grand Funk begins with... 
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| bmfc1 Sep 12 2007 03:47 AM |
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Agreed. As is "Bad Time."
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| HahnSolo Sep 12 2007 06:56 AM |
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I was at the Billy Joel concert (referenced by Greg above) at the Garden the night the Mets won Game 6 in Houston. I, along with what seemed like about 500 others, stood outside the hotel across the street (the Pennsylvania, maybe?) and watched the final outs on the TV of the hotel bar before heading in.
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| Edgy DC Sep 12 2007 06:58 AM |
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Little known fact: "Bad Time" was written about cooby.
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| sharpie Sep 12 2007 07:05 AM |
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It was Ringo and George who liked Sgt. Pepper less because it was such a studio-created album and their involvement (other than Ringo singing "With a Little Help From My Friends" and George's "Within You Without You") was little more than showing up when told to and playing their part. The band was less of a coherent band from that point forward. Paul and John always had good things to say about it. You can make a good argument for it being the best Beatle album, along with the two you cited, Abbey Road and, some would say, The White Album. In any event, it is among the 5 best and any of those choices would be a respectable one.
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| Edgy DC Sep 12 2007 07:16 AM |
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That's more of a response than Steve's red herring of a tangent deserved.
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| seawolf17 Sep 12 2007 07:16 AM |
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Love him or hate him, Billy Joel might be as big a musical icon as Long Island has created. (Apologies to Lou Reed.) The guy has sold eleventy jillion albums, and if he plays fourteen Shea Stadium dates in November 2008, he's going to sell out every single one of them.
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| Kid Carsey Sep 12 2007 07:22 AM Edited 3 time(s), most recently on Sep 12 2007 07:24 AM |
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We're an American Band's drum and cow bell intro reminds me instantly
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| sharpie Sep 12 2007 07:23 AM |
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Yeah, I know. As to Seawolf's point: Of course he would sell out those shows ('cept who does want to go to an outside show in November?) My point was strictly Metcentric. I think Paul Simon, from Queens, might argue with the point that Billy Joel is a bigger musical icon.
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| seawolf17 Sep 12 2007 07:37 AM |
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I think Long Island, from Long Island, would argue that Queens doesn't count.
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| Edgy DC Sep 12 2007 07:42 AM |
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All true. Don't care.
Not unless the tickets are under $40. I think he'd be more likely to play two dates (with a third date reserved if ticket sales are quick) and charge $280 for everything on the field, $140 for lower level. $110 for mezz, and $88 for the upper deck. Maybe they'll be that affordable.
The stadium is largely about the Mets. I'd say mostly about the Mets. It's 71.4% about the Mets. Table 1: What Shea Stadium Is About
How is the stadium about selling 800,000 ticketes? I realize the booking of a concert largely is. But he's apparently making a point about cynically linking his legacy to history. And it's history I like, and I'd rather resist it.
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| soupcan Sep 12 2007 07:45 AM |
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I'm assuming you are referencing 'New York Groove'? Always thought that was an Ace Frehley solo project, am I wrong? And put me on record as saying I prefer that song at the end of Met victories to 'New York State of Of Mind'.
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| Edgy DC Sep 12 2007 07:48 AM |
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Queens is more Long Island than East Hampton. Long Island has exactly the same claim on the Mets that they have on Paul Simon and his bald head. Let's, as Long Islanders, stop stroking ourselves. Long Island has been flyover country to Billy Joel for 25 years. Probably for Paul Simon just as long.
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| Johnny Dickshot Sep 12 2007 07:50 AM |
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Table 1 doesn't know wtf it's talking about.
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| bmfc1 Sep 12 2007 08:05 AM |
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Off the top of my head, references to the MFYs in Billy Joel songs:
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| Edgy DC Sep 12 2007 08:05 AM |
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Of course it was Ace. Please forgive me and my madness.
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| bmfc1 Sep 12 2007 08:07 AM |
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Mr. Joel still has a house in The Hamptons. While that's not exactly Levittown, it still is on LI.
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| Edgy DC Sep 12 2007 08:09 AM |
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Point missed.
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| Benjamin Grimm Sep 12 2007 08:09 AM |
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He doesn't still have a place in Oyster Bay where he drives his car into trees?
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| Edgy DC Sep 12 2007 08:13 AM |
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Isn't it telling that he identified himself so nobly with the guy who toiled honorably only to lose credit to the more glamorous and self-centered, and that guy turned out to be a world-class phony? He's deeply invested in frontrunning Yankee culture.
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| Benjamin Grimm Sep 12 2007 08:16 AM |
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I think I'd rather see a musical quartet of Paul McCartney, Ringo Starr, Joe Namath, and Pope Benedict.
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| sharpie Sep 12 2007 08:20 AM |
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Sad thing is that Paul McCartney has been to several Yankee games lately, including one during the last Boston series. He was sitting with Lorne Michaels.
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| soupcan Sep 12 2007 08:24 AM |
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Can't find am image on-line but I believe also that on the back cover of 'The Stranger' one of the band members is wearing a Yankees jersey.
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| Edgy DC Sep 12 2007 08:24 AM |
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Sad and un-shocking.
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| Johnny Dickshot Sep 12 2007 08:27 AM |
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Meat Loaf is a complete Yankee whore.
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| soupcan Sep 12 2007 08:28 AM |
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Milli Vanilli.
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| sharpie Sep 12 2007 08:37 AM |
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Dickshot, on further investigation, you are correct about Meat Loaf. I seem to remember him being in the booth for a Mets game and so assumed he was with the good guys. He isn't. I don't like his music, either. Have more work to do on finding a Met-loving Yankee-hating rock star.
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| Edgy DC Sep 12 2007 08:39 AM |
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| Benjamin Grimm Sep 12 2007 08:41 AM |
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Yeah, if he was a Mets fan, it would have been Bob Murphy's voice on Paradise by the Dashboard Light. (How great would that have been, by the way?)
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| Edgy DC Sep 12 2007 08:46 AM |
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Only modestly great.
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| Willets Point Sep 12 2007 09:06 AM |
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I think Bob Murphy dodged a bullet.
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| Centerfield Sep 12 2007 09:50 AM |
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The Mets. 9th comeback against Rivera in Game 5 to send the Series back to Shea with the Mets leading 3-2.
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| SteveJRogers Sep 12 2007 09:51 AM |
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If that song was writen in the mid-80s I'm sure it would have been "but the Mets grab the headlines everytime." Rose's fate some 10-15 years later has nothing to do with it.
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| metsguyinmichigan Sep 12 2007 12:27 PM |
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When I think of Long Island bands, the discussion begins with The Trinity: Twisted Sister, Good Rats and Zebra. They were the reason I was glad the drinking age was 18 when I was in high school (and New York licenses then didn't have photos) so we could get in to Hammerheads to see the bands!
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| bmfc1 Sep 12 2007 12:35 PM |
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MGIM:
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| Johnny Dickshot Sep 12 2007 12:38 PM |
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As noted here yesterday, Randy Jackson of Zebra sang the national Anthem at Shea on Monday. It was at least the 2nd time he'd done that as we saw him perform it also in 2005.
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| Edgy DC Sep 12 2007 12:46 PM |
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Wrong. He was a phony. If he had never gotten banned, Rose still would have been a phony. It wasn't his fate --- but way to cleanse him of responsibliity. Mets-Yankees is beside the point. Cake: Pretending to align himself with a struggling everyman character. (Who is in fact a famous successful celebrity who gets plenty of headlines playing the role of the guy who doesn't get headlines.) Eating it, too: Relishing being a celebrity New Yorker entitled to championship teams, the access he gets to them, and the money to be made by association with their popularity. I have little doubt he'd substitute the Mets for the Yankees if served his purposes. That's my point, he's being more cynical and self-serving than he'd have you believe while he's playing soulful. On edit: Seriously, if you aligned yourself with a folk hero, named your kid after him or something, you wouldn't feel stupid to find out he's a crook, and had been a phony all along? Does Joel really still sing that song?
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| bmfc1 Sep 12 2007 01:02 PM |
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"Does Joel really still sing that song?"
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| Edgy DC Sep 12 2007 01:03 PM |
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I'm not complaining about the Yankee reference.
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| Mendoza Line Sep 12 2007 01:27 PM |
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I never thought I'd find myself in the role of defending Billy Joel, but he wasn't identifying himself with Rose or the Yankees.
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| Edgy DC Sep 12 2007 01:32 PM |
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No-huh-way. His admiration is for Rose toiling in his (non-existent) obscurity, and he's drawing a parallel to his own more modest futile struggle.
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| Willets Point Sep 12 2007 01:38 PM |
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Yo La Tengo at Shea would bring me, my wife, and child, so that's 3 tickets tight there!
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| Edgy DC Sep 12 2007 01:40 PM |
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Has your chiild seen daylight yet?
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| Willets Point Sep 12 2007 01:41 PM |
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6 more weeks, give or take.
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| sharpie Sep 12 2007 01:45 PM |
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I'd be there for Yo La Tengo as well.
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| metsguyinmichigan Sep 12 2007 01:47 PM |
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Kiss is a New York band, would actually sell some seats, has no Yankees references (well, they don't reference much of anything outside of a guaranteed rhyme of 'knees' and 'please' on every CD) and could even start the demolition as part of the show!
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| Benjamin Grimm Sep 12 2007 01:55 PM |
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I don't think Shea should be demolished. It should just ascend into heaven.
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| Edgy DC Sep 12 2007 01:55 PM |
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Specific references in KISS songs:
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| metsguyinmichigan Sep 12 2007 01:59 PM |
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Hmmm, or take a stairway to heaven....then I read that these guys are coming back....., By ROMINA SPINA Œ Associated Press Writer Œ LONDON (AP) — Led Zeppelin will perform a one-time comeback concert in memory of Ahmet Ertegun, a co-founder of Atlantic Records. The band will perform together for the first time in 19 years on Nov. 26, at London’s The O2 venue, on the banks of the River Thames. Promoters said the concert would pay tribute to Ertegun — the label boss who popularized Ray Charles, Aretha Franklin and Led Zeppelin — who died in December at age 83. “During the Zeppelin years, Ahmet Ertegun was a major foundation of solidarity and accord,” Led Zeppelin singer Robert Plant said in a statement. “For us he was Atlantic Records and remained a close friend and conspirator.” Ertegun, who co-founded the Atlantic Records label with Herb Abramson, signed Plant’s band in 1968 and later snapped up the Rolling Stones. Led Zeppelin’s remaining original members Plant, guitarist Jimmy Page and bassist John Paul Jones will headline the concert with late drummer John Bonham’s son, Jason, on drums, organizers said Wednesday. The quartet is expected to perform a full set lasting up to two hours.
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| Willets Point Sep 12 2007 02:02 PM |
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Interesting comment from someone who has stated he's an atheist. Perhaps Yancy just believes in the baseball gods? :)
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| Benjamin Grimm Sep 12 2007 02:05 PM |
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Atheist or not, I still have a Catholic background.
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| G-Fafif Sep 12 2007 02:27 PM |
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We may not indulge in solipsistic "he's not a true Met" debates, but we certainly quibble around the edges, don't we?
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| G-Fafif Sep 12 2007 02:30 PM |
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I didn't think [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afh-oxFsUeo]the O'Jays[/url] had ever disbanded.
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| sharpie Sep 12 2007 02:31 PM |
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Yo La Tengo do a pretty funny version of "The Night Chicago Died" (#2 on G-F's list) and, of course, they do "Meet the Mets." If Shea has to end on a Billy Joel concert, Yo La Tengo should be the opening act.
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| Johnny Dickshot Sep 12 2007 02:32 PM |
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And Swing Out Sister by seven!
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| Vic Sage Sep 12 2007 02:35 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 12 2007 02:36 PM |
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Dissin' the Meat? Byte me, you vegan.
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| Edgy DC Sep 12 2007 02:35 PM |
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I've carried this stupidity on for five pages, but I don't propose that he'll desecrate anything. Only that it's ugly and cynical for him to be coming out of retirement and campaigning for positions of honor in somebody else's story.
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| Kid Carsey Sep 12 2007 02:51 PM |
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mgim: >>>Zeppelin’s remaining original members Plant, guitarist Jimmy Page and bassist John Paul Jones will headline the concert with late drummer John Bonham’s son, Jason, on drums<<<
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| Edgy DC Sep 18 2007 05:56 AM |
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The Billy Joel pages in The Great American Sosngbook are the ones with the gilded edges. He is a peerless performer spanning every genre. A building cannot truly be said to have stood until he has performed his music within its walls.
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| cooby Oct 06 2007 09:10 AM |
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Lol, just saw this--see my reference in the Grand Funk thread
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| cooby Oct 06 2007 09:14 AM |
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Meant this
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