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Centerfield Sep 17 2007 08:46 AM

Howie was rolling off a few of these numbers yesterday. These are batting averages with runners in scoring position and 2 outs: Beltran .189 Delgado .173 Wright .213 Alou .100 Reyes .205 LoDuca .182

metirish Sep 17 2007 08:57 AM

Well there's room for improvement at least,what's the league average anyway?

Edgy DC Sep 17 2007 09:36 AM

And that's Wright when he's red hot. He's walking tremendously though. Beltran and others aren't making them pay. It's fusterating to see Wright and Beltran both with good eyes and the Mets' patience not paying off. Then you see Alou with a freaking .100 and go "Ah." A twenty-game hitting streak and a .100 batting average with runners in scoring position and two outs. That's amazin'.

Centerfield Sep 17 2007 09:44 AM

It's almost incomprehensible that these numbers can be this low across the board. Usually I write off numbers like this is just coincidence, but this makes you wonder if something is going on here. Are they pressing?

Mendoza Line Sep 17 2007 10:11 AM

I also wonder what the league average is. Maybe it's harder to hit with two out and runners in scoring position because the batter will see more breaking balls, especially if first base is open. Maybe averages are lower because the likelihood is higher that the batter will be facing a fresh lefty (or righty) specialist in that situation. On the other hand, maybe we're just really bad with two outs and runners in scoring position.

Centerfield Sep 17 2007 10:25 AM

The league average is .248. The Mets, as a team, come in at .228, 25th out of 30 teams. The six guys I mention are considerably worse than that.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 17 2007 10:38 AM

Have the Mets had more at bats with RISP and 2 out than most other teams? They've been scoring enough runs to win a lot of games. Maybe they're getting more opportunities than most and, although they're not coming through at a good rate, the quantity has still been enough to win games for them.

seawolf17 Sep 17 2007 11:29 AM

Oh, wait. I thought this was just the opposite of Elster's thread.

Nymr83 Sep 17 2007 01:21 PM

batting averages? thats a relief. i thought this was going to be a thread about a girl i took home.

Zvon Sep 17 2007 04:04 PM

HA!^ This is distressing. Cant win games with those numbers.

metsmarathon Sep 17 2007 04:18 PM

the average nl team had 614 at bats with runners in scoring position, 2 outs. the mets had 615. the average nl team scored 227 runs in these situations. the mets scored 197 the average nl team had a batting average of 0.244 the mets averaged 0.222 the average nl team had an obp of 0.354 the mets on-based at 0.352 i had actually expected this to be far uglier than it appears to be...

Frayed Knot Sep 17 2007 05:13 PM

From where did you mine that info mm? * A! G!, A! G!, A! G!

metsmarathon Sep 17 2007 07:40 PM

espn > stats > NL team batting > runners in scoring pos, 2 outs pulldown philly's the best team in the nl in this regard.

Edgy DC Sep 17 2007 09:42 PM

Mets Tonight: 1-4 Reyes: 0-1 Castillo: 1-1 (soft single that didn't plate runner from second) Wright 0-1 Milledge: 0-1

HahnSolo Sep 18 2007 06:44 AM

^^^ Not a big deal, but Castillo also had a sac fly in the first. I guess it warrants mentioning.

metirish Sep 18 2007 07:01 AM

metsmarathon thanks for those numbers,can't get much clearer than that.

Edgy DC Sep 18 2007 07:12 AM

HahnSolo wrote: ^^^ Not a big deal, but Castillo also had a sac fly in the first. I guess it warrants mentioning. But a no-out sac fly. In fact, I'm pretty sure they're impossible with two out.

metsmarathon Sep 18 2007 07:26 AM

i guess a RISP 2 outs deep fly ball that the outfielder drops wouldn't be scored a sacrifice fly and an error, would it?

Frayed Knot Sep 18 2007 07:36 AM

metsmarathon wrote: i guess a RISP 2 outs deep fly ball that the outfielder drops wouldn't be scored a sacrifice fly and an error, would it? Error yes, Sac Fly no, RBI no, At Bat yes. The reason the SF exists is to acknowledge that there is some degree of intent when an outfield fly is hit w/a runner on 3rd and less than 2 out. Remove the intent incentive and you also remove the "credit" for hitting it there.

HahnSolo Sep 18 2007 08:37 AM

I guess I'm just amazed when a Met scores from 3rd at any time that I forgot the point of this thread. My contribution, like the name of this thread, is ugly.