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Rock 'n' Roll Did-You-Know?, Part II

Edgy DC
Sep 06 2007 09:35 AM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 06 2007 09:48 AM

Easy Listenin' Division. In tribute to the invocation of WAPP which killed WTFM, where soft rock lived before the oxymoronic term was born.

The Holy Trinity of easy listenin' male vocal duos in the seventies goes like this.

  • England Dan and John Ford Coley

  • Seals and Crofts

  • Loggins and Messina
1) "England Dan" was England Dan Seals, brother of Jim Seals of Seals and Crofts.

2) "England Dan wasn't English at all, but was so named because he was such a Beatlehead that his friends claimed to detect him talking on occasion like a Brit.

3) John Ford Coley's family name was actually named "Colley," but he took out an l so people wouldn't pronounce it like the dog.

4) The Ford was just bullshit. He added it because it scanned better.

5) Seals and Croft were previously members of the Champs, fathers of the frathouse classick "Tequila."

6) The guitarist in the Champs, who did that exploding surf chord after each sax wail --- one Glen Campbell.

7) (Jim) Seals and Croft are both practiioners of the Bahá'í faith, which was founded in 19th century Persia and claims 6,000,000 devotees. According to wikipedia, Bahá'í teachings hold that "religious history has unfolded through a series of God's messengers who brought teachings suited for the capacity of the people at their time, and whose fundamental purpose is the same." I'm OK with that.

8) Kenny Loggins is the cousin of Dave Loggins, member of the Nashville Songwriters Hall of Fame, and author/singer of the '70s country-easy listenin' crossover classick "Please Come to Boston." He wrote "Pieces of April" for Three Dog Night.

Again according to wikipedia, he composed the theme music "Augusta" that is used on broadcasts of the The Masters Golf Tournament.

9) Loggins did "Whenever I Call You Friend" with Stevie Nicks, and despite it's hugeness and hitness, Stevie's fans and Mac fans don't like to remember it's hers, as it sounds like Marilyn McCoo and Billy Davis Jr. or something. When she and Loggins are in the same town, she invites him on and does it live, and people think, "This is theirs?"

10) That was co-written with Melissa Manchester.

11) History may remember Jim Messina as strictly a spear carrier, but he was in Buffalo Springfield in the sixties, Poco in the early seventies, Loggins and Messina in the mid-late seventies, rejoined Poco as they had a suprising return to prominence as old fat guys in the late eighties and early nineties, and put out four solo albums along the way.

12) He had a number-two hit, "Born to Runner Up," as part of Garfunkel, Messina, Oates, and Lisa.

Johnny Dickshot
Sep 06 2007 09:41 AM

All of which is a complicated way of saying, as much as you'd love to hate it, "Summer Breeze" is a just darn nice song.

sharpie
Sep 06 2007 09:54 AM

I think Brewer & Shipley are at least the equal of England Dan & John Ford Coley for inclusion on this list.

Edgy DC
Sep 06 2007 09:55 AM

Take it to the judge.

Edgy DC
Sep 06 2007 11:31 AM
Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Sep 09 2007 10:41 AM

I've always felt that each sub-genre can be summed up and triangulated by a holy trinity.

Holy trinity of Hippy Metal? Steppenwolf, Blue Cheer, and Vanilla Fudge.

Holy trinity of Old School Boogie Down Bronx DJs? Afrika Bambaataa, Grand Master Flash, and Kool DJ Herc.

Holy trinity of Bubble Gum? The Strawberry Alarm Clock, the Lemon Pipers, the 1910 Fruit Gum Company.

None of them, alone, define the sub-genre, but the definition is found in the triangulated zone in the middle, can't be narrowed down to a denominator smaller than the imaginary area of the triangle.

Johnny Dickshot
Sep 06 2007 12:01 PM

Loverboy, Bachman Turner Overdrive and Chiliwack: The Holy Trinity of Western Canada Schlock n' Roll.

soupcan
Sep 06 2007 02:00 PM
Re: Rock 'n' Roll Did-You-Know?, Part II

="Edgy DC"]
11) History may remember Jim Messina as strictly a spear carrier, but he was in Buffalo Springfield in the sixties, Poco in the early seventies...


I read that as "he was in Buffalo Springfield in the sixties, Poo in the early seventies"

And I'm thinking 'Wow, what a stupid name for a band.'

TheOldMole
Sep 09 2007 08:53 AM

Warren Zevon got his start as musical director for the Everly Brothers.

RealityChuck
Sep 10 2007 10:20 AM

Edgy DC wrote:
Holy trinity of Bubble Gum? The Strawberry Alarm Clock, the Lemon Pipers, the 1910 Fruit Gum Company.


Ohio Express over Strawberry Alarm Clock, who weren't bubblegum and are better known for their name than their songs.

More Trinities:

British Invasion: Beatles, Rolling Stones, and the Who.

The New Bob Dylan Club: Bruce Springsteen, Loudon Wainwright III, John Prine (especially since no one remembers the 4th of the group: Eliot Murphy).

San Francisco Scene: The Grateful Dead, the Jefferson Airplane, and Quicksilver Messenger Service

The New Wave: Elvis Costello, Joe Jackson, the Boomtown Rats

One Hit Wonders: John Fred and his Playboy Band, Norman Greenbaum, the Vapors.

The Bosstown Sound: Orpheus, Ultimate Spinach, The Beacon Street Union ;)

Johnny Dickshot
Sep 10 2007 10:42 AM

* Holy Trinity of Angry Young Men: Elvis Costello, Joe Jackson and Graham Parker.

* "Harden My Heart," the first and biggest hit for Quarterflash, was originally performed by a predecessor group called Seafood Mama.

* The Pablo Cruise guys later wrote and performed lots of orignial songs for Baywatch.

sharpie
Sep 10 2007 10:43 AM

Big Brother & the Holding Company (or even Moby Grape) over Quicksilver for SF sound.

I agree with the Ohio Express although some might say that Tommy James & the Shondells (what is a Shondell?) are a bubblegum band and therefore would supersede all of those guys.


Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin and Jim Morrison for druggie deaths.

metirish
Sep 10 2007 10:45 AM

Kid Rock decked Tommy Lee at the VMA awards last night,not caught by the TV camera's live but on CCTV....also Brittney Spears was brutal......such a laugh.

RealityChuck
Sep 11 2007 10:31 AM

Holy Trinity of the Canterbury Scene: Soft Machine, Caravan, and Gong

Holy Trinity of Dutch Rock: Focus, ABBA, The Shocking Blue

Holy Trinity of American Popular Song Composers: George Gershwin, Cole Porter, Harry Warren

Holy Trinity of Dada Rock: Frank Zappa and the Mothers, Captain Beefheart, the Bonzo Dog Band.

Holy Trinity of Country Rock: Poco, The Eagles, The Flying Burrito Brothers

Holy Trinity of the Blues: B. B. King, Robert Johnson, John Lee Hooker.

Edgy DC
Sep 11 2007 10:35 AM

Good start, though I thought ABBA was Swedish.

It works better with sub-genres like dada and country rock than with a broad genre like the blues.

seawolf17
Sep 11 2007 11:13 AM

RealityChuck wrote:
One Hit Wonders: John Fred and his Playboy Band, Norman Greenbaum, the Vapors.

Huh? No such animal. No way you can cut one-hit wonders down to a trinity.

Holy Trinity of Hair Metal: Poison, Def Leppard, Bon Jovi.

Johnny Dickshot
Sep 11 2007 11:28 AM

I thought Def Leppard belonged to the Holy Trinity of Led Zeppelin Wannabe Ripoff Artists with Zebra and Whitesnake.

metirish
Sep 11 2007 11:37 AM

Kingdom Come have to be in any list of the Holy Trinity of Led Zeppelin .

seawolf17
Sep 11 2007 11:41 AM

Johnny Dickshot wrote:
I thought Def Leppard belonged to the Holy Trinity of Led Zeppelin Wannabe Ripoff Artists with Zebra and Whitesnake.

Def Leppard, wannabe Led Zeppelin? Wannabe David Bowie, maybe.

Johnny Dickshot
Sep 11 2007 11:47 AM

Yeah I know. I was just trying to segue.

At least the name is a bald ripoff.

Johnny Dickshot
Sep 11 2007 11:57 AM

Ouch.

Edgy DC
Sep 11 2007 12:04 PM

I agree about the Ohio Express. Good call. Though I disagree about Big Brother.

And, while I argue that it works best for sub-genres than broad genres like the blues, that was as good an unholy trinity as any.

More fun, though, with sub-genres:

The Holy Trinity of Nam-era San Fran Psychedelic Folk-Rock Scots-Descended Crossovers: Scott McKenzie, Barry McGuire, Spanky MacFarlane.

Willets Point
Sep 11 2007 12:24 PM

The Holy Trinity of Rock is E-A-B-E-A-B-A-E-A-B-E-A-A!

Edgy DC
Sep 11 2007 12:40 PM

We have the same 1000-pound synth as blondie from Dickshot's video.