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IGT 9/20/2007 - Mets (Glavine) vs Marlins (Willis)

G-Fafif Sep 20 2007 03:51 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 20 2007 04:35 PM

Mets Lineup vs Willis: SS Jose Reyes RF Lastings Milledge 3B David Wright CF Carlos Beltran LF Moises Alou 1B Jeff Conine C Paul Lo Duca 2B Ruben Gotay P Tom Glavine [NOTE: Castillo, knee, late scratch.] Fish Lineup vs Glavine: SS Hanley Ramirez 2B Dan Uggla RF Jeremy Hermida 3B Miguel Cabrera LF Josh Willingham 1B Mike Jacobs CF Cody Ross C Matt Treanor P Dontrelle Willis

Benjamin Grimm Sep 20 2007 04:29 PM

Was sorta hoping (but not expecting) to see Delgado's name. Maybe tomorrow. Willis has been awful this year. Glavine's on a hot streak. Let's hope for an easy tension-free victory.

G-Fafif Sep 20 2007 04:31 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: Let's hope for an easy tension-free victory. Said the man whose name adorns the stadium we just left, "All of us might wish at times that we lived in a more tranquil world, but we don't. And if our times are difficult and perplexing, so are they challenging and filled with opportunity." Easy and tension-free would be fine. Victory is paramount. Willis got saved for this one. That's pretty annoying.

G-Fafif Sep 20 2007 04:36 PM

Castillo a late scratch, the knee. Delgado believes he's maybe a day away.

metirish Sep 20 2007 04:44 PM

Wasn't sure if we had a game tonight,LGM.

bmfc1 Sep 20 2007 05:06 PM

I said to myself that I'll try to tolerate the Marlins announcers instead of listening to Howie & Tom on the laptop... that didn't last through the intro as the Marlins announcer said "The Marlins entertain the evil empire."

Zvon Sep 20 2007 05:11 PM

Whats Willis trying to do? Wipe us out?

bmfc1 Sep 20 2007 05:15 PM

HOLY MOISES!

Zvon Sep 20 2007 05:18 PM

Alou makes em pay for hittin our boys! Clears the bases with a double. Goes to third on the throw (to the plate?). 2-0 Mets Ryan Howard has hit a 2 run dinger in the Phils 1st. 2-0 Phils

Zvon Sep 20 2007 05:39 PM

Jacobs is still on our side! Hits into a DP for us. I always liked that guy. The Nats have taken the lead on the Phils, 4-2, in the 2nd.

Zvon Sep 20 2007 05:49 PM

Reyes with another double. I saw that one yesterday that got stuck in the wall on BB2nite. Wacky stuff. Washington has taken a 6-2 lead in the 3rd. Mr.Wright doubles in Mr. Reyes.

Zvon Sep 20 2007 05:57 PM

I love Willis. I don't care if he can't pitch like he used to. Go get him Omar. We'll make him an outfielder. He reaches on a bunt single to lead off the fish's 3rd.

metsguyinmichigan Sep 20 2007 06:27 PM

Just getting here. Wright is hotter right now than Rachael Ray in a sauna! Whoa!

metsguyinmichigan Sep 20 2007 06:34 PM

Gotta love hearing the "Let's Go Mets" chant in Miami. Then again, it doesn't take too much to drown out the handful of Marlins fans.

metsguyinmichigan Sep 20 2007 06:38 PM

Paulie!!!!!!!

Johnny Dickshot Sep 20 2007 06:43 PM

Uh, not good.

metsguyinmichigan Sep 20 2007 06:45 PM

Dammit. Come get him, Willie.

metsguyinmichigan Sep 20 2007 06:46 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 20 2007 06:51 PM

(Double post, sorry about that)

Zvon Sep 20 2007 06:48 PM

Did Willie even visit the mound that inning?

Zvon Sep 20 2007 06:52 PM

Willis will challenge all our bats. Lets go get them back!

Benjamin Grimm Sep 20 2007 07:02 PM

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Wright is hotter right now than Rachael Ray in a sauna! Whoa! I'm gagging!

Benjamin Grimm Sep 20 2007 07:05 PM

No Schaefer for Glavine tonight. Meanwhile, in our nation's capitol, the Phillies trail the Nationals 6-2 after 6.

metsguyinmichigan Sep 20 2007 07:08 PM

Ramirez is a monster.

metsguyinmichigan Sep 20 2007 07:10 PM

Not Schoenweis!!!

bmfc1 Sep 20 2007 07:14 PM

ARGH! 6-5 Nats. 3 run homer for Werth.

Zvon Sep 20 2007 07:15 PM

bmfc1 wrote: ARGH! 6-5 Nats. A pinch hit 3 run homer by Werth. Dat Bastage!

Zvon Sep 20 2007 07:17 PM

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Not Schoenweis!!! I'll trust Schoenweis for one batter. Just one.

bmfc1 Sep 20 2007 07:18 PM

And now the Phillies have the tying run on 3d with one out.

bmfc1 Sep 20 2007 07:19 PM

6-6.

Nymr83 Sep 20 2007 07:24 PM

Milledge ejected and physically restrained by Rickey and Willie.

Kid Carsey Sep 20 2007 07:26 PM

Well, that solves what to with Green if Delgado comes back for the next five games or so. They're saying on tv he came out a second time and then a third?

Edgy DC Sep 20 2007 07:46 PM

I'll admit I thought I once knew what a legitimate check swing was and what an offer was and now I realize I just don't know, but it doesn't seem standardized at all.

Edgy DC Sep 20 2007 07:52 PM

Thanks for making us all look like idiots, Mr. Mook.

metsguyinmichigan Sep 20 2007 07:53 PM

Bleeping Heilman.

Edgy DC Sep 20 2007 07:56 PM

Gotay this game up, Mets.

Edgy DC Sep 20 2007 07:58 PM

You see?! You see what you get when you go up against the Orphans?!

Frayed Knot Sep 20 2007 07:59 PM

Don't bunt, just pull the freakin' ball. You might just get a hit by accident.

Zvon Sep 20 2007 07:59 PM

Huge Dookie double. HUGE I tells ya. Gomez runs for him. Man in scoring position, no out. Phil just took a 7-6 lead.

Edgy DC Sep 20 2007 07:59 PM

Ruben just bunted for a hit. My word.

bmfc1 Sep 20 2007 08:00 PM

Jimmy F'in Rollins.

Edgy DC Sep 20 2007 08:00 PM

Ruben!

Mendoza Line Sep 20 2007 08:01 PM

Nice work by Gotay not getting that bunt down!

Edgy DC Sep 20 2007 08:01 PM

Thought he was out.

Edgy DC Sep 20 2007 08:02 PM

Wow! Cargo Pants' toe got in there.

Zvon Sep 20 2007 08:02 PM

They tried to get Go-Go-Gomez at 3rd? Just lift a nice fly Green.

Frayed Knot Sep 20 2007 08:03 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Thought he was out. Nope. Not officially or actually. Greenie walks - sacks drunk for Jose!

Zvon Sep 20 2007 08:03 PM

Bases bulging with Mets. NO out. If they don't at least tie this game....

Edgy DC Sep 20 2007 08:05 PM

Frayed Knot wrote: ="Edgy DC"]Thought he was out. Nope. Not officially or actually. Yeah, thanks. I figured it out and spoke in the past tense.

Frayed Knot Sep 20 2007 08:06 PM

Gregg is going to bounce one of these pitches all the way to the backstop.

Zvon Sep 20 2007 08:08 PM

Awful time to strike out Jose. Awful. :(

Mendoza Line Sep 20 2007 08:09 PM

NASTY!!!

Nymr83 Sep 20 2007 08:10 PM

MARLON ANDERSON SAVES THE SEASON! (well maybe not but WOW!)

Johnny Dickshot Sep 20 2007 08:10 PM

He's the MANderson.

Edgy DC Sep 20 2007 08:10 PM

Greg is spitting into his glove.

Frayed Knot Sep 20 2007 08:10 PM

I hereby nominate Marlon Anderson for the position of GOD!

martin Sep 20 2007 08:10 PM

coolest cat on earth = M. Anderson

metsguyinmichigan Sep 20 2007 08:11 PM

PICK-UP OF THE YEAR!!!!!!! Anderson has come up HUGE a lot!

Edgy DC Sep 20 2007 08:11 PM

MANderson.

Zvon Sep 20 2007 08:11 PM

A PINCH HIT TRIPLE FOR ANDERSON!

Edgy DC Sep 20 2007 08:12 PM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: He's the MANderson. I's late, but I swear I came up with that individually.

bmfc1 Sep 20 2007 08:14 PM

No Wagner.

metsguyinmichigan Sep 20 2007 08:14 PM

Carlos!!!!!

Edgy DC Sep 20 2007 08:14 PM

bmfc1 wrote: No Wagner. Porque no?

Gwreck Sep 20 2007 08:15 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 20 2007 08:15 PM

Feliciano was warming up in the 'pen (and Wagner wasn't).

martin Sep 20 2007 08:15 PM

damn that manderson is cool. the way he is chillin at the plate, so smooth. always with his bat on his shoulder, just kicking it, not stressed. just hangin out. if you wanna pitch, hey man that is cool he is just chillin out, no big deal.

Zvon Sep 20 2007 08:15 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 20 2007 08:17 PM

="Edgy DC"] ="Johnny Dickshot"]He's the MANderson. I's late, but I swear I came up with that individually. I believe you Edgy. Zombie Beltran comes alive to drive in Manderson.

bmfc1 Sep 20 2007 08:15 PM

Edgy--I have mlb audio on the laptop and the DVR delayed for a few seconds... Wagner got up and sat down. They think it's his back. Feliciano and Sosa.

Frayed Knot Sep 20 2007 08:18 PM

He's Grrrrrrrrrrrr-Anderson

martin Sep 20 2007 08:20 PM

Valadius Sep 20 2007 08:24 PM

Sweet, we're winning!

Zvon Sep 20 2007 08:25 PM

Valadius wrote: Sweet, we're winning! For the moment.

Frayed Knot Sep 20 2007 08:26 PM

I suppose this would be a good time to ask those fans if the sight of Billy Wagner still makes them nervous.

metsguyinmichigan Sep 20 2007 08:27 PM

What's the point of expanding the rosters and having all these fresh arms if Willie is going to keep trotting these same guys out there night after night?

Valadius Sep 20 2007 08:28 PM

We haven't called up too many guys.

Johnny Dickshot Sep 20 2007 08:29 PM

ugh. Had time too.

Edgy DC Sep 20 2007 08:30 PM

MVPenis.

Frayed Knot Sep 20 2007 08:30 PM

metsguyinmichigan wrote: What's the point of expanding the rosters and having all these fresh arms if Willie is going to keep trotting these same guys out there night after night? Who do you want to see??? Collazo? Humber?

Zvon Sep 20 2007 08:31 PM

Ugh. How'd that go down? Bad error or tuff error?

Johnny Dickshot Sep 20 2007 08:32 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 20 2007 08:33 PM

Great stop, awful throw. Made the hard part look easy and the easy part look awful. Motherfucker. Bloop doubnle

Edgy DC Sep 20 2007 08:33 PM

Dove for the ball, came up clean, had enough time to double-pump, and threw it wide. A taller firstbaseman might've pulled it down. Niner stayed on the bag.

Mendoza Line Sep 20 2007 08:34 PM

Jeez. Can we bring Anderson in to pitch???

metsguyinmichigan Sep 20 2007 08:34 PM

They're killing me. Absolutely killing me.

Edgy DC Sep 20 2007 08:35 PM

Call it now. I say walk Treanor. I think I say that.

Johnny Dickshot Sep 20 2007 08:36 PM

I say strike him out.

Zvon Sep 20 2007 08:37 PM

Phils have won in Washington. Hey!^theres a song there.^

metsguyinmichigan Sep 20 2007 08:37 PM

Sickening. Sickening.

Zvon Sep 20 2007 08:37 PM

Unfuckinbelievable

Johnny Dickshot Sep 20 2007 08:39 PM

Wagner better be in a hospital.

Edgy DC Sep 20 2007 08:40 PM

New ballgame.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 20 2007 08:40 PM

If this game runs long, who pitches? Sele? Humber? Collazo? Williams? Is that all that's left?

metsguyinmichigan Sep 20 2007 08:40 PM

So who do you bring out in the 10th? Sele? Humber? Maybe Willie shouldn't have jerked Feliciano out so quickly.

Johnny Dickshot Sep 20 2007 08:41 PM

Let's not forget Sosa deserved a save there. Screwed by the error and victimized by a bloop.

metsguyinmichigan Sep 20 2007 08:42 PM

Just unacceptable. This is a freaking last-place team. And it's a good thing Beltran had fourth run.

Zvon Sep 20 2007 08:42 PM

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Maybe Willie shouldn't have jerked Feliciano out so quickly. I have to say that surprised me. Thought the inning was Feliciano's. But I guess only if he got em 1-2-3.

Frayed Knot Sep 20 2007 08:42 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 20 2007 08:44 PM

<<<<------- * And on a night with a shakey pen I become Armando Benitez Maybe Feliciano should get out the lefties he's brought in to face and he wouldn't find himself yanked so quickly.

Edgy DC Sep 20 2007 08:42 PM

Collazo, Humber, and Dave Williams out there.

holychicken Sep 20 2007 08:43 PM

I am pretty sure I broke my hand. Fucking-A

Benjamin Grimm Sep 20 2007 08:44 PM

Think Delgado is available as a PH?

metsguyinmichigan Sep 20 2007 08:45 PM

OK, Gomez, show you belong!

Zvon Sep 20 2007 08:47 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 20 2007 08:49 PM

Show you are as fast as they say--steal that base guy.

Edgy DC Sep 20 2007 08:48 PM

Delgado is lacing his spikes up.

metsguyinmichigan Sep 20 2007 08:50 PM

How can they bring Sosa back for the 10th?

Mendoza Line Sep 20 2007 08:51 PM

The alternatives aren't pretty, either.

Zvon Sep 20 2007 08:51 PM

I can't watch or read this half inning coming up. Im steppin off.

Edgy DC Sep 20 2007 08:52 PM

metsguyinmichigan wrote: How can they bring Sosa back for the 10th? It's easy. It's hard, but it's easy.

Willets Point Sep 20 2007 08:52 PM

Extra inning game on the road = bottle of antacid.

Johnny Dickshot Sep 20 2007 08:54 PM

Broke his bat, hit too slowly, and the winning run is on.

Johnny Dickshot Sep 20 2007 08:55 PM

Gotta whiff Ugly here. He's not bunting

Frayed Knot Sep 20 2007 08:57 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 20 2007 08:58 PM

metsguyinmichigan wrote: How can they bring Sosa back for the 10th? Are you ever going to suggest an alternate pitcher or just continually say; Not Him ... Not Him ... Not Him to each reliever brought in? Or maybe Willie should put out the signal for 'Guy who's on our dream roster' instead.

Mendoza Line Sep 20 2007 08:57 PM

crap.

metsguyinmichigan Sep 20 2007 08:58 PM

Absolutely shameful. Beyond shameful. I'm joining the people who want to puke.

Edgy DC Sep 20 2007 08:59 PM

Four hits for Uggls. Twenty for Miami.

Willets Point Sep 20 2007 09:00 PM

We'll get 'em tomorrow.

metsguyinmichigan Sep 20 2007 09:00 PM

Frayed Knot wrote: ="metsguyinmichigan"]How can they bring Sosa back for the 10th? Are you ever going to suggest an alternate pitcher or just continually say; Not Him ... Not Him ... Not Him to each reliever brought in? Or maybe Willie should put out the signal for 'Guy who's on our dream roster' instead. I didn't object to Feliciano. And I've asked about Humber and the others. Clearly Sosa didn't have it.

metsguyinmichigan Sep 20 2007 09:01 PM

Willets Point wrote: We'll get 'em tomorrow. I hope so, and I think so. But wow, this one hurts.

bmfc1 Sep 20 2007 09:01 PM

This was too much to ask of Sosa, pitching in clutch situtations in relief two nights in a row. He's not been bred as a reliever. The move in the 10th was whomever was out there, batter by batter. And if they ran out, then shame on Omar because he could have 5 more guys sitting out there. Yes, nobody else left is as good as Sosa but Sosa had a hard inning last night and another one tonight. Sele and Williams aren't that good, of course, but they're not tired and Sosa was.

Zvon Sep 20 2007 09:01 PM

...what's I miss? You don't really have to answer that.

Willets Point Sep 20 2007 09:03 PM

To borrow the philosophy of AA, you have to hit rock bottom before you can start crawling back up. I think the Mets hit rock bottom tonight.

Edgy DC Sep 20 2007 09:04 PM

bmfc1 wrote: This was too much to ask of Sosa, pitching in clutch situtations in relief two nights in a row. He's not been bred as a reliever. The move in the 10th was whomever was out there, batter by batter. And if they ran out, then shame on Omar because he could have 5 more guys sitting out there. Yes, nobody else left is as good as Sosa but Sosa had a hard inning last night and another one tonight. Sele and Williams aren't that good, of course, but they're not tired and Sosa was. That's fine, and I mostly agree, but it's largely the realm of theory. We're running out of pitching.

bmfc1 Sep 20 2007 09:05 PM

G'night folks. Will anybody sleep well tonight?

bmfc1 Sep 20 2007 09:06 PM

Edgy--"That's fine, and I mostly agree, but it's largely the realm of theory. We're running out of pitching." True and true.

Zvon Sep 20 2007 09:09 PM

holychicken Sep 20 2007 09:12 PM

="Zvon"]...what's I miss? You don't really have to answer that. LOL. Thanks, I got a kick out of that.

Edgy DC Sep 20 2007 09:20 PM

bmfc1 wrote: G'night folks. Will anybody sleep well tonight? As long as I sleep 10% better than Wright and Wagner, I guess I'm fine.

metirish Sep 20 2007 09:26 PM

Willie in the post-game said Wagner had shoulder and back stiffness. I'm shattered after watching that game.

holychicken Sep 20 2007 09:28 PM

metirish wrote: Willie in the post-game said Wagner had shoulder and back stiffness. I'm shattered after watching that game. Whoa whoa. . .you were actually ABLE to watch the post game? I couldn't get away from my TV fast enough.

metirish Sep 20 2007 09:30 PM

Gotta say that Willie looked and sounded shattered.

Johnny Dickshot Sep 20 2007 09:31 PM

metsguyinmichigan wrote: ="Frayed Knot"] metsguyinmichigan wrote: How can they bring Sosa back for the 10th? Are you ever going to suggest an alternate pitcher or just continually say; Not Him ... Not Him ... Not Him to each reliever brought in? Or maybe Willie should put out the signal for 'Guy who's on our dream roster' instead. I didn't object to Feliciano. And I've asked about Humber and the others. Clearly Sosa didn't have it. If Wright doesn't throw the fucking ball into the photobox he probably has a save.

Zvon Sep 20 2007 09:37 PM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: If Wright doesn't throw the fucking ball into the photobox he probably has a save. Yep, and Wright will be the first to echo this. The boys are getting battle hardened. Lets hope its not too late.

Zvon Sep 20 2007 09:50 PM

Mets pen has allowed 20 runs in the last 7 games.

Johnny Dickshot Sep 21 2007 07:02 AM

If we could replay that 9th inning but not take away the Wright error, we have to look at the Cody's weak-ass bloop and how it was played. I'm not sure how far Endy had to come to it, I imagine quite a bit, but regardless the ball landed right at his feet. I think ND must have made up his mind to short-hop it and try for a play at third base, rather than to leave his feet to try and make a catch and risk letting the tying run score there. But the proximity of his feet and the ball at the end of the play suggests to me Endy was capable of catching it on the fly. You? I think letting it fall was a defensible option --- however, his throw was late, and Wright in another display of poor concentration at a critical time, stood there trying to get the umpire to change his call while Cody, who stumbled between 1st and 2nd, pulls into 2nd safely. He was a dead duck there. So to sum up: 1) ND coulda caught it. 2) Once he didn't, it was on Wright to make a decision and he screwed up. 3) All people named Cody must die.

metirish Sep 21 2007 07:11 AM

So much stuff happened in the game last night ,not long after the Milledge tirade the game was again stopped because Heilman was hit with an object while on the mound getting ready to throw,after much pointing back and forth a "fan" wearing a Reyes shirt was escorted from the stadium,yeah I know things are rough right now but that was a shit thing to do,fucking asshole.

soupcan Sep 21 2007 07:14 AM

I was out last night and Blackberry-in' this game on the terrorist train home last night. What a debacle. I do not have a word to describe how disasterous this bullpen has become. The team cannot score enough runs, there is absolutely no margin for error. What happened? They were actually good at one point this season. I am this close to saying that this season is all but over because I just can't see how this team as presently constituted can survive the last 10 games let alone do anything in the playoffs. Big time bummer dudes.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 21 2007 07:17 AM

They have ten games left in which they can right this ship and storm into the playoffs. I have no faith that it will happen, but it might. So all we can do is stay tuned and hope for the best. Given the state of the bullpen (and the starting pitching!) even if they do stumble into the playoffs, they'll probably have an early exit.

metirish Sep 21 2007 07:18 AM

soupcan wrote: I am this close to saying that this season is all but over because I just can't see how this team as presently constituted can survive the last 10 games let alone do anything in the playoffs. Big time bummer dudes. I'm thinking the same thing,really even if we make it I can't see us getting past whoever we play in the first round,unless of course our starters go eight innings every night which isn't going to happen obviously. Fucking pissed as I have ever been.(course I think i said that during the season as well)

Edgy DC Sep 21 2007 07:20 AM

metirish wrote: So much stuff happened in the game last night ,not long after the Milledge tirade the game was again stopped because Heilman was hit with an object while on the mound getting ready to throw,after much pointing back and forth a "fan" wearing a Reyes shirt was escorted from the stadium,yeah I know things are rough right now but that was a shit thing to do,fucking asshole. Rough, nothing. We were down by one.

soupcan Sep 21 2007 07:25 AM

Down by one these days is as good as the game being over. Hell, up by 5 is no good anymore!

metirish Sep 21 2007 07:26 AM

Well I meant rough over all and my point was that this asshole shouldn't have thrown whatever he threw at Heilman.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 21 2007 07:35 AM

I really don't understand the quick hook that Feliciano got. You don't generally bring in a pitcher to face one hitter when you have a three-run lead and there's nobody on base. I figured Feliciano's task was to get three outs. He had a margin of error; that one hit he gave up didn't cause an immediate crisis. Is that Willie's version of panic? Calm demeanor, but panicky moves? Here are my Raw Sewage Goat of the Game points for Friday night: Glavine 3 Wright 2 Sosa 2 Randolph 3

Edgy DC Sep 21 2007 07:38 AM

soupcan wrote: Down by one these days is as good as the game being over. Hell, up by 5 is no good anymore! I'm going to disagree. If you're down by one agaisnt a last-place club with Heilman and, presumably, Wagner ready to go, and you take it upon yourself to assault players, you have lost perspective near to the point of institutionalization, and you need to be kept from ballparks. The game is humbling and intensesly frustrating, with fans 29 of 30 teams going home disappointed, with little or no say over how their teams perform. Mets fans had better learn to deal with that when they're young and stop embarrassing the rest of us by jackassing their way through life.

Johnny Dickshot Sep 21 2007 07:39 AM

Yeah, I thought the hook was way too quick especially considering we were Wag-less and up by 3. I suspect Willie doesn't much care for Feliciano. We know they tangled at least once last year, and this year there was a period during which he completely fell off the radar. Seems like, since then, he's been given very little rope. Is anyone brave enough to join me in assigning Endy Chavez a Raw Sewage blame point?

Edgy DC Sep 21 2007 07:48 AM

I think, being in the no-doubles defense that put that ball on the fringes of Endy's range to begin with, he was in containment mode. I'll give him half a blame point for that, a little more for letting the runner get to second on his throw, cancelling out the no-doubles advantage entirely. How about a little blame for going for the game winning double instead of looking to play it off the wall and stop the runner on first from scoring? Remember that Feliciano and Randoph clashed in early July last year when Pedro questoned Wille's usage of him and Willie hammered down on him in the media with, "I've been around winners my whole life. That's not what winners do." I'm coining a new nickname: Willie the Winner. Pure speculation department: I'm afraid he's losing or has lost the team over the last few weeks. Willie may make the game decisions, but Red Ass or somebody may be the de facto manager.

soupcan Sep 21 2007 07:52 AM

Edgy DC wrote: ="soupcan"]Down by one these days is as good as the game being over. Hell, up by 5 is no good anymore! I'm going to disagree. If you're down by one agaisnt a last-place club with Heilman and, presumably, Wagner ready to go, and you take it upon yourself to assault players, you have lost perspective near to the point of institutionalization, and you need to be kept from ballparks. The game is humbling and intensesly frustrating, with fans 29 of 30 teams going home disappointed, with little or no say over how their teams perform. Mets fans had better learn to deal with that when they're young and stop embarrassing the rest of us by jackassing their way through life. C'mon - I'm not advocating throwing things at players. Just disagreeing with your assessment that down by one these days for the Mets is not 'rough'.

Johnny Dickshot Sep 21 2007 07:55 AM

I'm down with that speculation. As I said the other day if Winner loses the players he's got nobody but Jerry Manuel and maybe Sandy Sr. on his side. By the way, anyone read Jeff Wilpon's comments? Thinks he's Steinbrenner or something. I'll go start a new thread

Edgy DC Sep 21 2007 08:06 AM

="soupcan"] ="Edgy DC"] ="soupcan"]Down by one these days is as good as the game being over. Hell, up by 5 is no good anymore! I'm going to disagree. If you're down by one agaisnt a last-place club with Heilman and, presumably, Wagner ready to go, and you take it upon yourself to assault players, you have lost perspective near to the point of institutionalization, and you need to be kept from ballparks. The game is humbling and intensesly frustrating, with fans 29 of 30 teams going home disappointed, with little or no say over how their teams perform. Mets fans had better learn to deal with that when they're young and stop embarrassing the rest of us by jackassing their way through life. C'mon - I'm not advocating throwing things at players. Just disagreeing with your assessment that down by one these days for the Mets is not 'rough'. Sure, but I'm still pissed at Met fans for losing they shit under fire. You got if tough? I seen the toughest around, say the prophet David Lee. Some Mets guy in a Springsteen shirt and an ugly second-hand Max Weinberg haircut was hanging out with Farmer Ted and me by the Mets' bullpen, looking for kids to kick. Made me feel real good about the DC handgun ban. Nothing uglier than a Met fan who can't chill da fuck out. They're not helping their team, and, far worse, they're embarassing me.