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Before and after Mota

metsguyinmichigan Oct 01 2007 11:50 AM

I don't know if everyone is on the Mets listserv, but Matt Davis posted this : "You can pin the turning point of the season to the day that Mota came back from suspension. Before: 33-17 (.660) After: 55-57 (.491) So, the true culprit is Minaya for giving the Mets bad karma and bringing the cheater back FWIW, 2006 and 2007: With Mota off roster: 108-65 (.624) With Mota on roster: 77-74 (.510)"

Edgy DC Oct 01 2007 11:52 AM

That's fun --- and probably not entirely baseless --- but I'd like something more tangible than karma. I've known a few teams to flourish with cheaters, known and unknown.

seawolf17 Oct 01 2007 12:01 PM

Yeah, but if we can just blame the whole thing on one guy, then we can shut the hell up about this "Trade Jose" crap. And since nobody likes Mota, and he sucks, why not him?

Valadius Oct 01 2007 12:04 PM

He'll be gone. Same with Shittyweis.

Edgy DC Oct 01 2007 12:07 PM

I hear you. But when the scapegoat is sent off into the wilderness, and then we find out the problem is (or problems are) actually still in house somewhere, then, oh, s'it! I'm curious what sort of characters get brought in to shore up this bullpen, or will they look more closely at the coming Zephs than they did at Ring and Bell and Lindstrom and Owens.

A Boy Named Seo Oct 01 2007 01:19 PM

Valadius wrote: He'll be gone. Same with Shittyweis. Sthittyweis was solid the last 2 months and one of our best relievers the last 2 weeks.

Edgy DC Oct 01 2007 01:23 PM

But way to pump up his trade vaule by renaming him.

seawolf17 Oct 01 2007 01:27 PM

What the heck are you going to do with Schoeneweis? Dude's under contract for two more years. Get used to him. I'm over him, and I'm looking forward to having him back.

Valadius Oct 01 2007 01:31 PM

I see us trading Schoeneweis to Pittsburgh, Cincy, Tampa Bay, Baltimore or the like for a prospect or two.

Edgy DC Oct 01 2007 01:33 PM

Those teams do not exist for the Mets to dump bad contracts on.

seawolf17 Oct 01 2007 01:33 PM

?!?! I see you as drunk at 3:30 in the afternoon on a Monday. Why would a second-division team like the Pirates or the Devil Rays want a highly-paid lefty specialist? If by "prospect" you mean "bloated veteran contract," maybe you're right.

metirish Oct 01 2007 01:40 PM

I see Omar trading Schoeneweis to either Florida,Pittsburgh,Philly,Atlanta, ,Yankees,Tampa,Toronto,Baltimore,Kansas,Angels,Boston,Cleveland,Arizona,Chicago,Los Angeles,Houston,Texas,Seattle,Oakland,St. Louis,Washington or Cincinnati for a prospect , or just cutting his ass.

Edgy DC Oct 01 2007 01:40 PM

Perhaps by "trading," he means "sending along with 80% of his salary," and by "prospect," he means "guy in the minors."

Valadius Oct 01 2007 01:42 PM

If I only had a beer. I'm fucking miserable.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 01 2007 01:52 PM

I do sympathize, Valadius. If the Mets had collapsed in 1986 I would have been devastated. (I was 23 at the time.) I do hope that you see another Mets World Championship in your lifetime. Hell, I hope we see another one in Jack LaLanne's lifetime. (He just turned 93 the other day.) I remember seeing those dejected white-haired Cubs fans back in 2003 after they blew the NLCS to the Marlins. I was so glad I had 1986; I'd never be an old man fretting that I'd never seen my team win a World Series. 1986 has given me a peace of mind that helps me deal with 1999 or 2007.

Zvon Oct 01 2007 02:44 PM

I thought it was Ricky who turned Reyes on to the spleef. But,....It could have been Mota. Maybe he brought a bag in with him. A hefty bag. Do they test for that in baseball? Its not exactly a performance enhancing drug.

Valadius Oct 01 2007 02:51 PM

Zvon wrote: I thought it was Ricky who turned Reyes on to the spleef. But,....It could have been Mota. Maybe he brought a bag in with him. A hefty bag. Do they test for that in baseball? Its not exactly a performance enhancing drug. Reminded me of this:

Zvon Oct 01 2007 03:12 PM

I get no sound from YouTube embeds on message boards. :( I want to hear that though. Ill go there and track it down.