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Valadius
Oct 03 2007 05:51 PM

I've just met someone who knows Ken Young, the Tides owner, quite well. She says that Young told her that it was the Mets who wanted to end the relationship with the Tides, and that the Mets only came back at the last minute when they realized they would get stuck with New Orleans.

Kid Carsey
Oct 03 2007 06:02 PM

You're in college, you should be boinkin' her instead of gossiping.

Kid Carsey
Oct 03 2007 06:45 PM

The Tides were tired of being ignored
By RICH RADFORD, The Virginian-Pilot
© September 23, 2006


There are moments when baseball stops being about majestic home runs, greedy player agents, shoestring catches, ticket scalpers, blown saves and the seventh-inning stretch... and becomes about good will.

In two words, that's why the Norfolk Tides parted ways with the New York Mets.

Actually, a lack of good will would be more accurate.

As much as the Mets want to put their "spin" on the circumstances and make it appear they selected the New Orleans Zephyrs over a chance to remain in Norfolk, don't believe it.

The Baltimore Orioles offered a regional connection and a clean slate. There is no baggage with this deal and the Orioles did not use "intimidation," a word Tides president Ken Young used Friday in describing his dealings with the Mets in the past month.

With the Orioles, there isn't a history of phone calls to New York that went unreturned.

There isn't the bitter aftertaste of a rag-tag team made up primarily of has-been free agents who could muster nothing better than a 57-84 record.

There isn't a feeling of neglect on the part of the big-league team's front office, one that overwhelms a top-rung minor league club when the general manager of the major league team fails to make even one visit during an entire season.

Any good will the Mets and Tides enjoyed in the past had clearly evaporated.

The Mets beat the Tides to the punch Thursday night by abruptly announcing in the Shea Stadium press box during a game against the Florida Marlins that they had elected to move their Triple-A team from Norfolk to New Orleans.

But in reality, the Mets didn't "elect" to do anything. The Tides say they were going with the Orioles all along, so the Mets were destined for New Orleans, the only other available Triple-A team in the mix.

Bottom line: If Young hadn't been out of town on other business all week, the Tides and Orioles would have announced earlier this week that they planned to sign a two-year deal.

In announcing their affiliation with New Orleans, Mets officials seemed to be trying to save face.

"I assume that's the case," Young said. "When I heard the Mets were going to visit Scranton/Wilkes-Barre and see if they could make a deal, I told them point-blank that we were leaning heavily toward the Orioles. The point of my discussion was, 'Don't wait for me if Scranton offers you a deal.' "

A delegation of Mets officials visited Scranton/Wilkes-Barre on Wednesday. When they learned that the Red Barons were going to align with the New York Yankees, the Mets' concerns grew. That's when they asked All-Star third baseman David Wright, who was born in Norfolk, grew up in the area and played briefly with the Tides in 2004, to call Young and plead the Mets' case late Wednesday night.

Said Young: "I hope they didn't pull him out of the lineup to make that call."

Calls to the Mets were not returned on Friday. But here are some of the comments made in a Mets news release and to members of the New York media.

Said Jeff Wilpon, Mets chief operating officer: "We thank the fans of the Virginia Beach area for their support for the past 38 years."

The Tides played one year in Portsmouth and 37 in Norfolk. They never played in Virginia Beach.

Add Wilpon: "In some cases, being in a major airport like New Orleans, you've got a much easier time moving guys. In Norfolk, they usually had to go somewhere else before they could get where they had to go."

Wayne Shank, deputy executive director of the Norfolk Airport Authority, has news for Wilpon. Norfolk flies direct nonstop to 26 cities, including many with National League teams.

New York?

"Direct," Shank said.

Philadelphia? Atlanta? Miami? Cincinnati? St. Louis?

"Direct, direct, direct, direct, direct," Shank said. "And when I say direct, I mean nonstop direct."

Mets GM Omar Minaya said the franchise preferred New Orleans because "we also wanted to be in a warm-weather area."

Aside from the possibility of a chilly week in April, the weather in Hampton Roads is hardly arctic.

Said Mets director of minor league operations Adam Wogan: "The new home of our Triple-A farm club is the direct result of a pro-active outreach by the Zephyrs, led by their general manager Mike Schline."

If that's the case, then maybe Wogan should have allowed the Zephyrs the luxury of making the announcement.

seawolf17
Oct 03 2007 08:20 PM

What's funny is that management -- and fans -- in Rochester HATED HATED HATED the Orioles for doing basically the same things these guys are saying the Mets did.

Nymr83
Oct 03 2007 08:26 PM

maybe they all treat their AAA teams this way because they know they can? the only reason Brooklyn and SI get treated so good is because the MLB teams owner's sons own them.

Edgy DC
Oct 03 2007 09:40 PM

Kid Carsey wrote:
There isn't the bitter aftertaste of a rag-tag team made up primarily of has-been free agents who could muster nothing better than a 57-84 record.


New Orleans in 2007 as a Mets affilliate: 75-69.
Norfolk in 2007 as an Orioles affilliate: 69-74.

Nymr83
Oct 03 2007 09:46 PM

but the orioles lost with their prospects insteda of with Gerald Williams, Mike Difelice, etc so its all ok.

Johnny Dickshot
Oct 04 2007 07:04 AM

I like the old info better

metirish
Oct 04 2007 07:05 AM

Kid Carsey wrote:
You're in college, you should be boinkin' her instead of gossiping.



LOL.

Edgy DC
Oct 04 2007 07:12 AM

Well, I know (or guess) you're kidding, but the self-loathing contingent of Met fans need to realize the Mets aren't the only team to warehouse retreads at AAA, and such articles don't help.

Alberto Castillo caught 64 games for the Tides this year.