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ALDS IGT, Indians at Yankees, Game 4

Kid Carsey
Oct 08 2007 04:53 PM

G. Sizemore cf .308
A. Cabrera 2b .154
T. Hafner dh .231
V. Martinez 1b .333
J. Peralta ss .364
K. Lofton lf .545
F. Gutierrez rf .200
C. Blake 3b .083
K. Shoppach c .000

J. Damon lf .308
D. Jeter ss .083
B. Abreu rf .200
A. Rodriguez 3b .200
J. Posada c .100
H. Matsui dh .222
R. Cano 2b .273
M. Cabrera cf .167
D. Mientkiewicz 1b .000

Valadius
Oct 08 2007 05:40 PM

KABOOM!

Sizemore leads off the game with a homer!

Frayed Knot
Oct 08 2007 05:52 PM

Wang on just 3 days rest not looking like a great maneuver early on -- 2 runs on 3 hits in inning one

bmfc1
Oct 08 2007 05:59 PM

I'm surprised to find that the TBS Hot Corner, available from mlb.com, is a worthwhile supplement to the TV. If the Mets were playing, it would be unnecessary and distracting but not so with the MFYs playing. There are four screens, two are from cameras used in the telecast, one has the score and pitch anaimation, and the fourth has the online studio crew (one of which is a woman with long legs).

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 08 2007 06:03 PM

Way to turn them away, Paul.

That's a gut-punch right there.

Frayed Knot
Oct 08 2007 06:04 PM

Jeter & Abreu with consect 1-out singles ... but an ARod 'K' and a sliding catch by Lofton on a Posada bloop gets Paul Byrd out of the inning unscathed.

Valadius
Oct 08 2007 06:17 PM

Bases loaded, no outs for the Injuns.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 08 2007 06:17 PM

I like how the trainer and manger sold the whole "are you OK?" thing with Shoppach the entore time the MFYs argued and the umps met.

They were "working" on his hand when replays showed if anything, it hit his shoulder and definitely not his hand.

Wagner out after 1-plus. I guess the MFYs will put him on the DL too.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 08 2007 06:20 PM

I called Wang Wagner. Funny.

Valadius
Oct 08 2007 06:27 PM

Tribe 4, MFYs 0. I'm loving this.

Rockin' Doc
Oct 08 2007 06:51 PM

Byrd is living very dangerously. Two walks come back to haunt him as Jeter singles in a run. Bases loaded with 2 outs, Abreu up.

Rockin' Doc
Oct 08 2007 06:54 PM

Okay Indians, we need more runs. And Byrd, we need less excitement when you're on the mound.

Come on Indians!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 08 2007 06:55 PM

This is going to go on forever.

Rockin' Doc
Oct 08 2007 06:58 PM

JC Lunchbucket - "I called Wang Wagner. Funny."

Glavine would have been more appropriate.

metirish
Oct 08 2007 07:11 PM

Great analysis by Gwynn, Cleveland's two out hits all series has been uncanny, two nights in a row he has said that.

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 08 2007 07:31 PM

Here's a scenario for you:

Yankees lose today. Joe Torre gets fired tomorrow.

Would he (could he) be Willie Randolph's new bench coach?

And what would we think of that?

metirish
Oct 08 2007 07:34 PM

It would be a great PR move for sure, I'd rather see an NL guy come aboard.

Nymr83
Oct 08 2007 07:36 PM

A) he wouldn't do it and B) i wouldn't want him.

Kid Carsey
Oct 08 2007 07:39 PM

Willie's still manager next year?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 08 2007 07:57 PM

MFYs are getting absolutely jobbed. That was a cool play.

I'll take Joe as bench coach. Don't think Willie would. Great idea tho.

Kid Carsey
Oct 08 2007 07:59 PM

Bruce Froemming called that swinging strike a ball earlier, it all evens out.

Valadius
Oct 08 2007 08:05 PM

I am loving this game!

metirish
Oct 08 2007 08:09 PM

I fucking hate MFY fans, I dunno they just make me want to puke.

Kid Carsey
Oct 08 2007 08:18 PM

This could go on until midnight, I doubt I'll see the end, if the whole 7th.

metsguyinmichigan
Oct 08 2007 08:20 PM

Jeter intangibles = double play with game on the line.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 08 2007 08:21 PM

Jeets trying to end it early.

Gotta suck to be him. Arod making him look bad in the season AND postseason.

metirish
Oct 08 2007 08:21 PM

Huge double fucking play by the captain.......hell yeah baby.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 08 2007 08:52 PM

Arod just twisting that knife into Jeter's back.

Frayed Knot
Oct 08 2007 08:58 PM

Indians need a few more runs so they can Borowski-proof this game.

metsguyinmichigan
Oct 08 2007 09:07 PM

Hey! Freaking Rivera stole Billy Wagner's entrance song! Bastard!

Do Mike and the Mad Dog know about that?

:)

Zvon
Oct 08 2007 09:15 PM

See, thats why we don't need instant replay in baseball.

All calls, good or bad, even non calls, eventually even themselves out.
It's cosmic.

Baseball is a cosmic game.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 08 2007 09:20 PM

Huge inning there for Betancourt.

metirish
Oct 08 2007 09:21 PM

I'd like to see Wedge leave him in to pitch the ninth.

smg58
Oct 08 2007 09:22 PM

Wedge wouldn't take him out for Borowski, would he?

Would he?

smg58
Oct 08 2007 09:27 PM

Borowski: 1.43 WHIP, 5.07 ERA
Betancourt: 0.76 WHIP, 1.47 ERA

For the life of me, I can't imagine that Wedge couldn't have found a perfectly acceptable excuse to change closers before now.

metirish
Oct 08 2007 09:31 PM

Come on that was a pretty routine catch by Damon and Chip goes crazy on it....

Frayed Knot
Oct 08 2007 09:32 PM

And even if you're not going to "change" closers, you're simply opting to let Betancourt continue off what was a very quick & perfect inning.
THEN if he gets in trouble you can think about Borowski.

Borowski's numbers are somewhat skewed by a horrible early season - but part of that horror was a 6-run 9th by the Yanx back in April that culminated by a 3R walk-off by ARod ... who's hitting 3rd in this inning.

metsguyinmichigan
Oct 08 2007 09:32 PM

Here we go!

The Tribe gets this done, and we will see the end of Clemens AND Torre!

metsguyinmichigan
Oct 08 2007 09:33 PM

metirish wrote:
Come on that was a pretty routine catch by Damon and Chip goes crazy on it....


I was thinking the same thing.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 08 2007 09:33 PM

Of course it's Borowski. Of course.

Strap them safety belts

smg58
Oct 08 2007 09:34 PM

Come on Joe, prove me wrong.

Iubitul
Oct 08 2007 09:34 PM

I swear, Chip must be auditioning for YES...

And the great Jeter pops out to 2nd...

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 08 2007 09:34 PM

Gonna be a long offseason for you, Derek. Pack your bags, Fruitcake.

Frayed Knot
Oct 08 2007 09:34 PM

That Derek Jeter ... he always comes through
(repeat as neccesary)

metsguyinmichigan
Oct 08 2007 09:35 PM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Gonna be a long offseason for you, Derek. Pack your bags, Fruitcake.


Verducci tomorrow: "Even in pop-up and double-play, Jeter showed greatness..."

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 08 2007 09:36 PM

At least they're solo homers.

Gulp!

metsguyinmichigan
Oct 08 2007 09:37 PM

Do they play "The Natural" theme after every home run, or just when they are down on the ninth and about to lose a series?

Iubitul
Oct 08 2007 09:37 PM

Chip doing his best to jinx Borowski...

Iubitul
Oct 08 2007 09:38 PM

metsguyinmichigan wrote:
="John Cougar Lunchbucket"]Gonna be a long offseason for you, Derek. Pack your bags, Fruitcake.


Verducci tomorrow: "Even in pop-up and double-play, Jeter showed greatness..."


must. clean. monitor.

metsguyinmichigan
Oct 08 2007 09:39 PM

Iubitul: We lived in the Robert Treat Apartments. (Answering a post in another thread from long ago that I just saw now)

Iubitul
Oct 08 2007 09:39 PM

metsguyinmichigan wrote:
Iubitul: We lived in the Robert Treat Apartments. (Answering a post in another thread from long ago that I just saw now)


Cool - that's about a mile from where I live now (just on the other side of the Milford Green)

Frayed Knot
Oct 08 2007 09:40 PM

If you don't put dumbo-ears on base Joe then you can't face the tying run.

Remember that.

smg58
Oct 08 2007 09:41 PM

Exhale.

Iubitul
Oct 08 2007 09:41 PM

Now I can enjoy the rest of the post-season...

metsguyinmichigan
Oct 08 2007 09:42 PM

YES!!!

YES!!!

Clemens? GONE!

Torre? GONE!

GoofRod? GONE!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 08 2007 09:42 PM

Yay!

I Sterling-ed the final pitch. Low-key all the way.

Skip in the meantimne thinks this is about the Yankees.

metirish
Oct 08 2007 09:42 PM

Yes, I love it.

Iubitul
Oct 08 2007 09:42 PM

Shocked the Yankees? Weren't the Yankees the Wild Card?

metsguyinmichigan
Oct 08 2007 09:44 PM

Do Sager's jacket and shirt even come close to matching?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 08 2007 09:44 PM

Gonna be great CSs:

AL -- The two best clubs
NL -- The two best young clubs

Frayed Knot
Oct 08 2007 09:45 PM

Sets up some nice pitching matchups for the next round too since Boston is going to have almost a week off and Cleveland managed to save Sabathia and Carmona from having to go a 2nd time.

metirish
Oct 08 2007 09:47 PM

metsguyinmichigan wrote:
Do Sager's jacket and shirt even come close to matching?


They never do apparently .

Zvon
Oct 08 2007 09:48 PM

10 bucks Torre goes nowhere.

I think George was just trying to assure the Yanks still are the lead story, even when they lose.

Clemens is done though.
Stick a fork in him.

Zvon
Oct 08 2007 09:53 PM

Uh oh, Joe's gonna cry.

Gwreck
Oct 08 2007 10:00 PM

The whole "Torre's gonna be fired" angle is pretty stupid. His contract is up at the end of the season. It was rumored long before this season even started that he didn't want to come back for '08.

I'm just happy that Clemens ends his career (again) on a bad performance.

Valadius
Oct 08 2007 10:08 PM

They lose!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Rockin' Doc
Oct 08 2007 10:21 PM

All's well that ends well. I can go to bed happy after watching the Indians celebrate their ALDS victory in Yankee Stadium.

Rotblatt
Oct 09 2007 05:59 AM

I'm bitterly dissapointed . . .

that my tv didn't show me the obligatory "Derek Jeter sitting on the bench, looking like he's about to cry" shot. Did I just miss it, or did Jeter really run to the lockerroom that fast?

metirish
Oct 09 2007 07:01 AM

Even when criticizing Jeter they can't help but fall over themselves to blow him.


[url=http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071009/SPORTS/710090324]Must take blame[/url]

Edgy DC
Oct 09 2007 07:16 AM

That's just awful.

HahnSolo
Oct 09 2007 08:22 AM

I guess I still have Met hangover, but I don't have the same joy as on Elimination Days past.

Edgy DC
Oct 09 2007 08:44 AM

This sort of rant is usally the type of stuff you get from the tabloids. Good for the Times



Tv Sports
An Error-Plagued Game, but From the Broadcast Booth
By RICHARD SANDOMIR
Published: October 9, 2007


No announcer is perfect. A mistake now and then is expected. The best ones realize that they’ve made errors and often do their best to fix them quickly.

Then there is Chip Caray, TBS’s lead baseball announcer, who has been calling the Yankees-Indians division series and will work deeper into the postseason on the National League Championship Series. His play-by-play of the Yankees’ 8-4 win in Game 3 on Sunday night was packed with errors and silly strategy, enough to give me agita.

Caray’s skein of faux pas in Game 3, as well as during Game 2, befogged his announcing like the insects that swarmed Joba Chamberlain on Friday night.

He stated that Derek Jeter was playing in his 49th postseason game — “No. 1 of all time.” Truth: it was his 49th division series game, out of 122 postseason games.

He likened the “dynamic duo” of Chamberlain and Mariano Rivera to the Rivera-John Wetteland bullpen pairing in “those great early years of Joe Torre,” when they were dominating the World Series. Truth: Rivera and Wetteland were Yankee teammates for two seasons, and Torre managed them only in 1996.

He said the “Yankees led the world” in home runs this season with 201. He liked saying it so much he said it again. Truth: The Brewers led the majors with 231, followed by the Phillies with 213 and the Reds at 204. The Yankees and Marlins were tied at 201.

He extolled Alex Rodriguez’s “offensive heroics in the first two months of the season” for keeping the Yankees in the race. Truth: A-Rod had a sensational April, but he slumped in May to a .235 batting average with 5 home runs and 11 runs batted in.

He introduced Indians reliever Joe Borowski in Game 3 as having played for the Brewers and the Reds. Truth: He never played for Milwaukee, and while he once signed with the Reds, he never made it out of spring training. Caray also noted his hometown, Bayonne, N.J., but pronounced it as if it were part of the Louisiana bayou.

The error bug also hit the reporter Craig Sager, who reflected on the absence of Bob Sheppard, the Yankee Stadium public address announcer, and said that his first game in 1951 was between the Giants and the Yankees. Truth: The Red Sox were in town.

Caray does not distinguish a go-ahead run from a winning run. In Cleveland on Friday, he said the Indians had the winning run on second base in the bottom of the eighth, and he put the Yankees in the same position in the top of the ninth. Wrong. He also believes that a runner on second will automatically score on a single. Not always.

He also has an annoying air of certitude. With the bases loaded Sunday, and the Yankees leading, 5-3, thanks to Johnny Damon’s three-run homer, Caray said, “This is a spot where they have to score another run to win the game.” Does he also read palms?

That attitude led him on Sunday, after Rodriguez’s first hit of the series, to say, “And here come the Yankees!” A-Rod went back to the bench on Jorge Posada’s double play.

After Damon’s run-scoring single in the third, he said, “And here they come!”

No, they didn’t: Jeter promptly grounded into a double play.

I’m sure that Caray believed his own words when he said, about the Andy Pettitte-Fausto Carmona Game 2 matchup, that “you can’t get better postseason pitching than we’ve seen tonight.” But there had been better, like that perfect game at Yankee Stadium in 1956 when the 42-year-old Chip’s legendary grandfather, Harry, was only 42.

Had the frequently (and ridiculously) loud Caray stayed on mute throughout the series, the analysis of his partners, Tony Gwynn and, to a greater degree, Bob Brenly, would have been worth three or four hours of my time. But a stronger play-by-play voice, like TBS’s other division series announcers, Don Orsillo, Ted Robinson or Dick Stockton, would have made Brenly and Gwynn better. TBS knows how to fix what’s wrong. Yesterday it added SNY’s Ron Darling to its studio program, providing experience that neophytes like Frank Thomas and Cal Ripken lack.

Here are some questions to ponder through the rest of Caray’s work this postseason. Why isn’t he better prepared? If his producer, Jeff Gowen, is listening to what he is saying, why isn’t Caray improving? And why should I have to keep rushing to MLB.com to fact-check his facts?

Notes

Through Sunday’s games, TBS’s division series average viewership of 5.4 million is up impressively from 4.5 million last year on ESPN, ESPN2 and Fox. ...The NHL Network, with 50 live games and other programming, announced deals to be carried by Cablevision, Comcast, Cox, Time Warner, DirecTV and Dish. It will most likely be available largely on digital sports tiers.

E-mail: sportsbiz@nytimes.com

Gwreck
Oct 09 2007 08:55 AM

I didn't listen to game 3 with the sound on (was at dinner with a friend) but did for game 4. Caray is indeed as awful as indicated.

Aside from a smattering of factual errors, he also appeared to be taking lessons from the John Sterling school of broadcasting, including the absolutely putrid "Some Vitamin D from the Milk Man!" after Melky Cabrera make a good defensive play in the outfield.

Edgy DC
Oct 09 2007 09:07 AM

The thing is, I don't think he's stupid. I think he's got a cushy job and has just grown lazy in it.

bmfc1
Oct 09 2007 09:07 AM

"Some Vitamin D from the Milk Man!" ARGH! I wish you were kidding.

Neil Best, in [u:0a4abae4e3]Newsday[/u:0a4abae4e3], called Chip Carey a "mostly reliable pro." No, he is only a horrible announcer... and he's doing the NLCS, too!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 09 2007 09:15 AM

Carey is too loud, too anxious to make it dramatic.

That was a poorly played series by the yankees overall, wasn't it?

Wang, Clemens, Jeter and Posada all had lousy serieses. Joba and Vizcaino in their only appearances were bad.

Damon and Cano did a'ight. Though Cano looked awful slow on the DP pivot.

seawolf17
Oct 09 2007 09:16 AM

Calling it "the winning run" was driving me nuts too.

metirish
Oct 09 2007 09:36 AM

Not only didn't Carey get better he got worse IMO, a small thing that annoyed me yesterday was after Rodriguez homered in the 7th he said that the yankees tack on another run to make it 6 to 3, to me that makes it sound like the yankees added to their lead when of course they were down 6 to 2.

Centerfield
Oct 09 2007 10:20 AM

I get the feeling he listens to tapes of Joe Buck and wishes he were him.

One of Chip's most glaring errors was when he named Kei Igawa as one of the Yankees' young, home grown prospects.

The "Here come the Yankees!" bit annoyed me too. It's a single Chip. Calm the fuck down.

On Edit: He also creamed himself calling Johnny Damon's running catch in the 9th. It was a nice catch, but you would have thought he pulled an Endy listening to hit.

Centerfield
Oct 09 2007 10:27 AM

Oh and Tony Gwynn looks like he ate himself.

metirish
Oct 09 2007 10:33 AM

I wonder if Gywnn were deflated would his voice be so squeaky.

Valadius
Oct 09 2007 11:30 AM

Tony Gwynn looks like a blueberry when he wears a blue shirt.

Caray's "Here come the Yankees" made me want to punch him. You don't say that after one freaking hit. Three straight hits, maybe. But one hit?!?!? How biased can you get?

bmfc1
Oct 09 2007 02:20 PM

"Goodness, gracious", Suzyn Waldman cried during the post-game show!

http://binny13.googlepages.com/greatmomentinbroadcasting1.mp3

metirish
Oct 09 2007 02:31 PM

Oh no, I'm a bit speechless.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 09 2007 02:37 PM

My hair hurts.

metirish
Oct 09 2007 02:38 PM

Any tape of Ed Coleman crying after the Mets season ended?

Edgy DC
Oct 09 2007 02:40 PM

Linda Richman could not be reached for comment.

Valadius
Oct 09 2007 03:46 PM

That's absolutely priceless.

MFS62
Oct 09 2007 05:32 PM

="bmfc1"]"Goodness, gracious", Suzyn Waldman cried during the post-game show!

http://binny13.googlepages.com/greatmomentinbroadcasting1.mp3


I have just gained respect for (please stick with this) Michael Kay.
He just went off on Suzyn, saying there are important things in life you pray for and cry for. And he mentioned her by name when he said he felt her display of tears was not appropriate (my words).

Later

seawolf17
Oct 09 2007 07:08 PM

That's beyond pathetic.

Edgy DC
Oct 09 2007 08:35 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 10 2007 07:02 AM

Like Michael Kay isn't a model of perspective. He just pumps the team in the name of career advancement. She's genuinely emotionally involved.

All other things being equal, I'll take the fool over the careerist. Except that other things aren't equal, and I think she's not so bright.

Farmer Ted
Oct 10 2007 06:36 AM

"I'm a conduit between the players and the fans, and everyone was crying."

She's a conduit alright.

metirish
Oct 10 2007 06:53 AM

Edgy DC wrote:
Like Michael Kay isn't a model of perspective. He just pumps the team in the name of career advancement. She's genuinely emotionally involved.

All other things being equal, I'll take the fool over the careerist. Except that other things aren't equal, and I think she's not so bright.


Wallup.