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John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 11 2007 06:38 PM

Taveras is back leading off vs. Webb.

metirish Oct 11 2007 07:57 PM

Just tuned in( missus watching Shallow Hal), Kaz just stayed in tough on a double play.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 11 2007 08:22 PM

Kazzy owns the go-ahead RBI in this game.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 11 2007 08:41 PM

Kazzy komes thru again. They will score it an error but he scorched it. 5-1 ROxxxx

seawolf17 Oct 11 2007 08:42 PM

I like this Kaz Matsui kid. I wonder if the Rockies will trade him to us to fill our 2B hole.

Valadius Oct 11 2007 08:46 PM

Chip Caray sucks.

Valadius Oct 11 2007 08:54 PM

Chip Caray is an imbecile. Did he seriously forget that Tony Gwynn was in the World Series in '84? Tony Gwynn has developed a lisp. He now sounds like Daffy Duck.

Valadius Oct 11 2007 08:59 PM

Arizonans throwing crap all over the field.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 11 2007 09:05 PM

What a bunch of ignorant pussies D-baggs fans are.

vtmet Oct 11 2007 09:09 PM

I agree that Upton caused a technical doubeplay by using that shoulder block on Matsui...but why did the runner going from 2nd to 3rd get sent back to 2nd? That makes no sense...

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 11 2007 09:51 PM

Dbaggs lose it on an idiotic baserunning play. These fans deserve them.

Valadius Oct 11 2007 09:51 PM

What a way to end it! Miguel Montero overslides into 2nd on a double, flying past the bag, and is tagged out. Rockies win!

User 404 Oct 11 2007 10:03 PM

Go, Rocks!

Valadius Oct 11 2007 10:04 PM

Two observations about Brad Hawpe: He's shorter than I thought. He swallows his words. He sounds like Boomhauer from King of the Hill.

Zvon Oct 11 2007 10:18 PM

Its true that Upton sticking out his arm was going a little out of his way. He may have still been able to upset Kaz without doing such an obvious thing. And it is true that the rule says you cannot intentionally break up a double play. Thats what it says, I looked it up. I still think that call was bullshit. Breaking up a DP with your body (within reason) as your feet go into the bag, as they should, is a very exciting play in baseball. Baseball needs more excitement, not less.

Zvon Oct 11 2007 10:42 PM

I'm really surprised that I'm not seeing clips (on ESPN tonight) of the '73 playoffs when Sparky pulled the Reds off the field at Shea because of fans throwing stuff. I'm starting to think all footage of that series has been destroyed.

Frayed Knot Oct 12 2007 06:50 AM

vtmet wrote: I agree that Upton caused a technical doubeplay by using that shoulder block on Matsui...but why did the runner going from 2nd to 3rd get sent back to 2nd? That makes no sense... The short answer is because that's the rule. Why it's the rule is so to give the runner an incentive NOT to interfere.

holychicken Oct 12 2007 07:31 AM

Zvon wrote: Breaking up a DP with your body (within reason) as your feet go into the bag, as they should, is a very exciting play in baseball. That is the whole thing, when I initially saw the play I questioned the call. However, on the replay, it was clear that the elbow came AFTER his feet had already come into the bag and he was moving away from the bag. IMO, what he did was the equivalent of sliding into the bag and then jumping at the player with an elbow to break up the DP. Ump made the right call.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 12 2007 07:36 AM

This reminds me of that horrid Marlon Anderson play. What a nightmare.

bmfc1 Oct 12 2007 08:07 AM

If Marlon was guilty, so was Upton. If my biased memory serves correct, Marlon raised his arms while crossing the bag. It appeared that Upton raised his afterwards. Either way, the application of the rule seems to be that you can't raise your arms too high while sliding if a fielder is at or near the bag. It seems like you can slide a foot to either side of the bag but you can't raise your arm(s).

metirish Oct 12 2007 08:16 AM

Vanover was involved in that game in Philly, he was the one doing the explaining after the game.

A Boy Named Seo Oct 12 2007 08:30 AM

The ump explains what he saw in this [url=http://www.azcentral.com/sports/diamondbacks/articles/1011dbackside1012.html]AZ Republic article[/url]. Also noteworthy are Justin Upton's angelic responses to the slide and getting hit with a pitch by Francis, and Troy Tulowitski's fiery fire. I like that guy. Also watch the video to see a couple of D-bag fan responses to the bottle throwing.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 12 2007 08:42 AM

Absolutely Upton was guilty, as was Anderson.

Centerfield Oct 12 2007 11:01 AM

I can't believe that these are the two NLCS teams. The Mets, Braves, Dodgers and Padres should be ashamed.

Edgy DC Oct 12 2007 11:05 AM

The Cubs? Phils?

Centerfield Oct 12 2007 11:14 AM

I thought the Phils overachieved. The Cubs at least made the playoffs, but got beat in a short series. It happens. But to get beaten out over the course of 162 to these two clubs...I'm starting to work myself up again.

Zvon Oct 13 2007 09:39 PM

Watching the Sat night game, Injuns at Boston. This has been just one great game of baseball here.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 14 2007 06:46 PM

Game 3: On. Roxx nearly turned a triple play to get out of trouble in the 1st. Pouring rain in Denver.

Zvon Oct 14 2007 07:36 PM

Diamondbacks are snakebit.

Zvon Oct 14 2007 07:37 PM

lol--^and I hit send and they tie it with a kaboom.

Frayed Knot Oct 14 2007 07:42 PM

Holliday & Reynolds have traded HRs - 1-1 bottom 4. First 3 innings = 3 DPs turned by Colorado This Tulowitski guy can play a little. Moves like Vizquel but is 6'2" 200+ NL looks like they'll be sporting some pretty good short-stops for the next coupla years: the two guys here Tulowitski & Drew; plus Reyes, Ramirez, Rollins, Hardy in Milwaukee, and the Dodgers top prospect is a Taiwanese SS (Chin-Lung Hu) who got a September call-up. And only Rollins from that group is over 25.

Zvon Oct 14 2007 07:59 PM

Yea, that pivot by Tulowitski earlier looked amazing when he did it, in real time. On slo-mo replay it looked rather simple, also a compliment to him.

smg58 Oct 14 2007 08:42 PM

And Yorvit Torrealba becomes the latest unlikely hero for the Rockies.

metirish Oct 14 2007 09:47 PM

20 wins in the last 21 games, amazing and they go for the sweep tomorrow night.

Centerfield Oct 15 2007 11:57 AM

Exactly one month ago today, the Colorado Rockies were 76-72, 6.5 games behind the Diamondbacks. The New York Mets were 83-64. 4.5 games ahead of Philadelphia.

Valadius Oct 15 2007 12:03 PM

Oh please don't bring this up... my day was going pretty good.

Farmer Ted Oct 15 2007 12:05 PM

Paging Elias, when has a team ever won 20 of 21? We'll never see this again.

metirish Oct 15 2007 12:07 PM

Didn't Oakland under Art Howe do it?

Benjamin Grimm Oct 15 2007 12:16 PM

The Rockies hot streak is even more remarkable when you consider how well-timed it was. I hope they become the first team ever to have an 11-0 post season.

Valadius Oct 15 2007 12:20 PM

Art Howe's 2002 A's won 20 in a row.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 15 2007 12:21 PM

Wow! They REALLY battled!

G-Fafif Oct 15 2007 12:31 PM

How about a team that wins 26 consecutive games in September and finishes fourth? Your 1916 Giants... http://baseballguru.com/maxblue/analysismaxblue01.html

Rockin' Doc Oct 15 2007 01:07 PM

That strong finish probably gave management and the fans a sense of anticipation for the teams's chances in the 1917 season. Fortunately, Johnny Lunchbucket was not duped out of his hard earned cash this time as the Giants went on to win their 4th NL Pennant with 98 victories during the 1917 season.

G-Fafif Oct 15 2007 01:10 PM

After which, Johnny Lunchbucket went marching off to war.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 15 2007 01:11 PM

The Rockies still have a chance to "run the table" in the postseason, which has never been done in the WC Era and hasn't been done at all since the 1976 Big Red Machine.

G-Fafif Oct 15 2007 01:21 PM

The '95 Mariners' somewhat similar run, at least in spirit, just kind of ran out of gas in the ALCS. I keep waiting for that to happen to these refuse-to-losers, but it doesn't. It, like the Mile High altitude, is breathtaking.

Frayed Knot Oct 15 2007 01:53 PM

The thing about the Rox' run is that without a pinch-hit, 2-out, 2-strike hit by Tony Gwynn Jr. of all people for the Brewers against his papa's old team and Trevor Hoffman no less on the final Saturday of the season the Rox are ELIMINATED and the streak up to that point doesn't matter and they never get the chance to add on to it in post-season. Since having virtually ZERO margin for error with ~2 weeks to go every single thing has gone their way.

G-Fafif Oct 15 2007 10:08 PM

Every single thing, indeed. Rockies have just put six on the board in the fourth, the last four facilitated by a two-out error by Conor Jackson. Matsui drives in the third and then Holliday takes Owings over the wall. It's Colorado 6-1. Taking into account anything can happen in Coors Field, this is amazin', amazin', amazin'.

metirish Oct 16 2007 07:07 AM

Rockies win 6 - 4, congrats to them. I watched the first few innings but these past few NL games start too late for me.

Valadius Oct 16 2007 07:14 AM

Congrats to the Rockies and Todd Helton.

Frayed Knot Oct 16 2007 07:14 AM

It's been Rockies Around the Clock

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 16 2007 07:14 AM

Yup. I was out after 3 innings last night. But congrats to the new NL champeens. Now, a 9-day vacation, then... World Series in snow!

metirish Oct 16 2007 07:20 AM

So what do you do if you're the Rockies between now and the 24th , if the ALCS goes the distance then game 7 gets played on Sunday the 21st, the last thing the Rockies want is to be sitting around all that time.

Frayed Knot Oct 16 2007 07:31 AM

They're going to sit around until next Wednesday whether the AL series ends quickly or not.

metirish Oct 16 2007 07:47 AM

Um yeah that's true, seems like a long time though.

Edgy DC Oct 16 2007 09:31 AM

clint Hurdle has led the UMDB hit parade three or four days in a row, having knocked the dangling Joe Torre out of the top spot.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 16 2007 10:17 AM

He's off to a big start today, too. He's looking good to actually win the month. And it's rare that somebody not named David Wright does that.

Centerfield Oct 16 2007 03:54 PM

We need to set some protocol here so we can avoid awkward moments like this where men jump in joy with each other. From now on, pitcher jumps, catcher catches him. That's the way it's going to be. If you've got a fat pitcher and a catcher with a bad back, make sure they're not your battery when the last out is recorded.

metsmarathon Oct 16 2007 08:10 PM

tim mccarver: you'd think that giving up a leadoff walk would be the most dangerous thing a pitcher could do. one would think that more multirun innings have been started by a leadoff walk than home run. and we've researched this. and this year more multi-run innings were started with a leadoff home run than a leadoff walk. me: why is this so hard to figure out? with a leadoff home run, you only need one more run for a multi-run inning. with a leadoff walk, you still need two runs, and that one baserunner you do have is a candidate for a double play.

Frayed Knot Oct 16 2007 09:02 PM

]why is this so hard to figure out? It shouldn't be, except that "baseball people" (McCarver included) long held that HRs (whether leadoff or not) tended to stifle further scoring on account of they cleared the bases and therefore short-circuited rallies. 'Keeping the line moving' with BBs and basehits is much better for multi-run innings ... or so went the conventional thinking. I never bought it either.

Rockin' Doc Oct 17 2007 06:09 AM

Earl Weaver was an old school manager that definitely did not buy into McCarver's theory. "The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl Weaver I guess Weaver liked walks, as long as they were followed by bombs.

Edgy DC Oct 17 2007 07:16 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 17 2007 07:39 AM

He may not have (though it's not really McCarver's theory), but I don't think there's anything explicitly in conflict there. Leadoff homers and three run homers are different animals. Weaver had his own school. McCarver may come off as a dumkupf in the narrative, but he took the time and intellectual curiosity to pursue the question and report that the conventional theory didn't hold water. Even if it seems obvious to you now, it's hard to imaging Joe Morgan doing research and reporting that the numbers explode a good baseball man's position.

Frayed Knot Oct 17 2007 07:29 AM

Morgan, even if he were handed the results of the research, would have pronounced it a fallacy derived by those who never played the game.

Edgy DC Oct 17 2007 07:40 AM

Yeah, and please feel free to read "good baseball man" in quotes or italics or such. I'm not in love with McCarver, but he can't win.

Centerfield Oct 17 2007 08:40 AM

Frayed Knot wrote: Morgan, even if he were handed the results of the research, would have pronounced it a fallacy derived by those who never played the game. First he would refuse to read the research, and then claim he doesn't need to read it.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 17 2007 08:42 AM

He shouldn't be a broadcaster. He should be a politician.