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If Joe Torre had an ounce of self-respect...

Benjamin Grimm Oct 10 2007 07:41 AM

...he'd say that he's not interested in returning to the Yankees. And you know what, it occurs to me that I posted this same sentiment a year or two ago, the last time the Yankees left him twisting in the wind. But I think it's even more true now. He's likely to get fired. He doesn't need the money. He should step aside before they fire him. The old, "You can't fire me! I quit!" maneuver. He must be addicted to the pinstripes or something.

soupcan Oct 10 2007 07:45 AM

There's something to be said for that, but even if I 'don't need the money', millions of guaranteed dollars and fame is a lot to walk away from. Would he get other offers? Sure but this is the Yankees and this is New York.

Frayed Knot Oct 10 2007 07:46 AM

Or he could take the viewpoint that quitting takes them off the hook. By not quitting he forces the brass to publicly announce that THEY are the reason he's not still Yanqui manager.

metirish Oct 10 2007 07:56 AM

But he's out of contract so he can't be fired , they just won't bring him back I suppose, or they'll make him a contract offer. I agree that he should tell them to stick it.

seawolf17 Oct 10 2007 08:05 AM

Crazy thing is, he's not going to be "fired." They're just not going to re-sign him. Same thing, different thing. I agree with Yancy; I'd think it'd be tempting to retire and move on, since he's already unattached for '08 anyway. He's probably a HOFer by now, and he might as well enjoy himself. But it's gotta be tempting to be so close to a WS title.

Edgy DC Oct 10 2007 08:08 AM

What drove me crazy is two of his most loyal aides-de-camp walked out publickly declaring their distaste for how the Yankees treat Torre, but he stuck around. Yeah, they were on the outs anyway, but they sure burned their bridges.

Frayed Knot Oct 10 2007 08:19 AM

Torre's made it pretty clear that he doesn't want to retire, that he'd like to manage more providing the right situation presents itself. If he were to proactively declare himself out of the NYY pool of candidates he'd be doing a favor (IMO) to those who - despite the continuing string of playoff appearances - seem bent on cutting him loose. "Hey he walked away from US ... WE don't have any blood on our hands"

Benjamin Grimm Oct 10 2007 08:45 AM

You know, I'd be okay with him as Willie's bench coach, but if he still wants to manage, what options might be available to him? St. Louis? Pittsburgh? Are there any other teams who will be manager shopping this winter? (Does Seattle have a manager for next year?)

metirish Oct 10 2007 09:02 AM

Yancy Street Gang wrote: You know, I'd be okay with him as Willie's bench coach, but if he still wants to manage, what options might be available to him? St. Louis? Pittsburgh? Are there any other teams who will be manager shopping this winter? (Does Seattle have a manager for next year?) Maybe the Dodgers.

Rockin' Doc Oct 10 2007 10:25 AM

Torre could wait for the Yankees to hire LaGenius Larussa, who is campaigning for the job, then take his spot as manager of the Cardinals.

Valadius Oct 10 2007 11:50 AM

Actually, Torre to the Cards makes a ton of sense.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 18 2007 02:20 PM

I guess he does have an ounce of self-respect. It just took him a while to dig it out.

Nymr83 Oct 18 2007 02:33 PM

good for Torre, a 1 year deal at less than he was making with an option that only vested if he made the world series is INSULTING. i hope he gets a better contract from the Cardinas or something

Benjamin Grimm Oct 18 2007 02:48 PM

You heard it here first: Willie Randolph's bench coach. (I'm not predicting that it will happen, just that it will be speculated.)

Valadius Oct 18 2007 02:48 PM

Good for Torre. I hope he told Steinbrenner to go sit in his own feces.

OlerudOwned Oct 18 2007 03:18 PM

Valadius wrote: Good for Torre. I hope he told Steinbrenner to go sit in his own feces. Who's to say he hasn't been?

Benjamin Grimm Oct 18 2007 03:36 PM

Maybe he's been drinking it.

Rockin' Doc Oct 18 2007 07:35 PM

I enjoyed hearing John Kruk and Carl Ravitch on ESPN ripping the Yankees for playing public relation games in offerring Torre an insulting contract. Kruk in particular, ripped the Steinbrenner's (dad and two sons) for being disengenuous in their dealings with Torre. To paraphrase and summarize Kruk: After 12 seasons, 12 playoff berths, 6 ALCS titles, and 4 World Series titles Torre deserved to receive a legitimate offer with at least 2 years gauranteed from the Yankees. The offer one year deal with incentives offered by the Yankees was little more than a public relations ploy. The Yankees offered the deal knowing that Torre would never accept it only so they could claim that they had tried to sign Torre, but he rejected their offer.

Zvon Oct 18 2007 08:03 PM

Nymr83 wrote: good for Torre, a 1 year deal at less than he was making with an option that only vested if he made the world series is INSULTING. i hope he gets a better contract from the Cardinas or something really. I figured the skanks would do something like offer him less. But the world series thing is just bullshit. Its almost spiteful. Yea, Cards would fit him like a glove.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 18 2007 08:05 PM

Rockin' Doc wrote: I enjoyed hearing John Kruk and Carl Ravitch on ESPN ripping the Yankees for playing public relation games in offerring Torre an insulting contract. Kruk in particular, ripped the Steinbrenner's (dad and two sons) for being disengenuous in their dealings with Torre. To paraphrase and summarize Kruk: After 12 seasons, 12 playoff berths, 6 ALCS titles, and 4 World Series titles Torre deserved to receive a legitimate offer with at least 2 years gauranteed from the Yankees. The offer one year deal with incentives offered by the Yankees was little more than a public relations ploy. The Yankees offered the deal knowing that Torre would never accept it only so they could claim that they had tried to sign Torre, but he rejected their offer. Nothing gets by John Kruk. Nothing.

Valadius Oct 18 2007 10:27 PM

Especially if it's a sandwich.

seawolf17 Oct 19 2007 07:34 AM

="Valadius"]Especially if it's a sandwich. Bah, I knew someone would get to that joke before me. Nice. And credit JD for leaving it up there on a tee for you.