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A Premium on the Closer
metirish Oct 23 2007 01:42 PM |
It is interesting that 52% of the Yankee bullpen budget went to Rivera, that's a high number, Wagner is probably similar I would think. Still though if Rivera had got injured then Joba could have closed for the minimum and perhaps they then decide not to sign Rivera for huge money and stay with Joba as the closer.
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smg58 Oct 23 2007 01:44 PM |
After seeing what happened to the Mets in September, I'm quite definitely sold on the concept of bullpen depth. But the Mets did spend money on the pen outside of Wagner; they just didn't spend the money particularly well.
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Edgy DC Oct 23 2007 01:51 PM |
Narrow data set of course.
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Benjamin Grimm Oct 23 2007 02:16 PM |
Evolution takes a long time, but it's not necessarily gradual. One theory is that it happens in bursts; a species will stay the same for thousands of generations and then, over a much shorter period of time, experience a dramatic change.
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Fman99 Oct 23 2007 02:23 PM |
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That'd be the Joel Piniero experiment. As a Sox closer he turned out to be a pretty good Cards #4 SP.
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metirish Oct 23 2007 02:26 PM |
Right, making 4 million from the Sox to close games.
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Frayed Knot Oct 23 2007 02:45 PM |
The Papelbon to the rotation experiment ended in Spring Training. Piniero was one of those cheap fall-back options that Edgy talks about that's easy to abandon if they don't work.
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Edgy DC Oct 23 2007 02:56 PM |
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I'll agree with you mostly, though they also had some foreign talent growing there, such as Alfonso Soriano and D'Angelo Jiminez, as well as non-first-rounders like Nick Johnson. Those don't quite add up to a base, but...
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Frayed Knot Oct 23 2007 04:59 PM |
Really only Johnson qualifies as an example of dealing away youth in favor of expensive outside help. Signing Giambi was one of those "George" moves which took place entirely outside the realm of the GM and so Johnson was pretty much expendable after that point. And even there the hit they should have taken on him has been lessened somewhat by the incredibly bad luck streak of injuries he's run into which actually started before the Yanx dealt him.
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Edgy DC Oct 23 2007 06:20 PM |
Well, dense Yanqui fans are (1) not in short supply when it comes to A-Rod, and (2) what we're talking about here. Plus Soriano is nonetheless a product of the farm system that was far cheaper than Rodriguez (certainly not much of an issue now), while coming off of a Rodriguezian season, if lacking in walks and defense.
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Nymr83 Oct 23 2007 09:24 PM |
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Eric Milton
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Frayed Knot Oct 24 2007 08:11 AM |
Yeah, I missed Milton during my little search.
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Edgy DC Oct 24 2007 08:47 AM |
Such a hijack!
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vtmet Oct 24 2007 02:11 PM |
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What I find most interesting...is that the Forbes article is stating that
You would think that the author of the article would at least get his facts straight...Fuentes is the SETUP MAN...Corpas is the Rockies CLOSER, not Fuentes (who last got a save in June)...
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Edgy DC Oct 24 2007 02:15 PM |
He's looking at the total stats and it appears that they've shared duties concurrently, not one guy doing it the first half of the seaosn and the other guy after.
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vtmet Oct 24 2007 03:20 PM |
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That is not correct however... Fuentes WAS the closer...and had 20 saves by June 21st...His last "save" was on June 21st vs the Yankees...he then had 4 consecutive "Blown saves" to close out June and then got hammered again in mopup duty in a 0-12 loss on July 1st...He then went on the disabled list after his July 3rd outing...when he returned on August 14th, he had lost his closer's role to Manny Corpas...funny thing is, Fuentes has had great stats as a setup man and somewhat lousy numbers as a closer [url]http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6735/splits;_ylt=At6T8hs6EGCNG.bqk7t1.HeFCLcF[/url] Corpas had ZERO saves prior to July 7th...he then proceeded to have 7 saves in July...4 saves in August...8 saves in September...and 5 saves with a win in the playoffs...He is the Closer...Fuentes used to be the closer... [url]http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7817/splits;_ylt=At6T8hs6EGCNG.bqk7t1.HeFCLcF[/url]
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