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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 14 2007 07:25 AM

I have bad patella tendonitis in my right knee and my left ankle is wonky and unpredictable but I will run a 5K race for the first time in ~15 years this afternoon. I used to be fast but today only hope to break the 30:00 mark.

A Boy Named Seo
Oct 14 2007 08:22 AM

I ran late to work today. Good luck, JD. Kick some ass.

metsmarathon
Oct 14 2007 12:42 PM

i've dropped out of the nyc marathon, due to injuries hampering my ability to run at my desired pace - 4 hours / 9 min/mile.

i could go slower, but its just not worth it to me right now to run it just to run it. i've already done that. i wanna run the damned thing for time, and i'm pissed off that i fecked up my training to lead me to injury - and not even a good one at that - so i'm gonna refocus my efforts on kicking its ass next year.

in screwing up my marathon training, i also ran my fastest 5k since college, (under 21 minutes) so at least i kinda scored a victory there.

i've had the patellar tendonitis since the summer leading to my last year of college, so, 1999. that's some 6 marathons, 6 half marathons and my best cross country season ago.

you need one of these (available at dicks sporting goods):


i've been wearing one of 'em ever since, and they really help while running. i also suggest stretching your quads both before and after activity, and getting to a gym and getting on the leg extension machine. i do them single-leggedly, with as light a weight as possible, 3 sets of 15 reps each, typically. if i don't do them , my knees bark frequently. if i do, they are happy(er). and take it easy running downhill - that'll hurt 'em too.

i'd recommend the 3M nexcare version of the strap, as its my fave, but it looks like they either stopped making them, or target, the only place i found them, stopped carrying them. the above looks to be similar.

i also have one of these (available at cvs):

but the nexcare is more comfortable - this has a plastic buckle thing that can be annoying.

oh yeah. motrin. antiinflammatories are my friend.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 14 2007 06:33 PM

Thanks for the knee help. My stride has been deadly since my achilles broke.

I know its supposed to be you against the clock and all but it was pretty humiliating to be passed by as many people as I was (and I barely passed anyone). I finished in 25:56 which I guess is OK for a 20-lb. overweight 41-year-old with little training but also humiliating to try and outkick a 13-year-old girl at the tape. They were yelling "Trip!" at me.

metsmarathon
Oct 14 2007 07:02 PM

the less prepared for a race i feel, the happier i am to start at the back and just keep on passing people.

Edgy DC
Oct 14 2007 07:21 PM

Sheesh, Cougar, I hope you weren't wearing any Mets gear.

Just kidding. Good job.

soupcan
Oct 15 2007 10:52 AM

That's so weird.

Last week I did my annual death bike ride (3 days 240 miles) and my right knee has been killing me with a sensation that I've never before experienced. I theorized patella tendonitis because it feels like what I imagine tendonitis would feel like if I I had it on a tendon stretching over my knee cap.

So I see this running thread and open it up thinking I'll ask one of you guys if you've ever had it and -voila- the first sentence I see is "I have bad patella tendonitis in my right knee". Weird.

I'm taking marathon's advice and getting one of those thing-a-majigs.

Nice job on the 5K Lunchbucket. I use to run fast in a previous life also.

Rockin' Doc
Oct 15 2007 11:12 AM

Soupcan - "Nice job on the 5K Lunchbucket. I use to run fast in a previous life also."

I use to run in a previous life.

metsmarathon
Dec 04 2007 09:31 PM

[ping]

can't find the other running thread from earlier this year...

how's all the patellar tendonitises, anyways?

Edgy DC
Dec 05 2007 07:15 AM

I'm wearing my running pants as an extra layer of underwear today. I feel so... active.

My friend Brian is on me to get back out on the road. He's both the dorkiest friend I have and the best runner I've ever been friends with (a mind-blowing 2:57:55 at Marine Corps this year). I think I need to cut out Diamond Mind.

Farmer Ted
Dec 05 2007 07:36 AM

The Mrs. was diagnosed with Runner's Knee a few weeks back while training for the Las Vegas Half marathon this past weekend. Her participation was in doubt due to the injury but she gutted it out for the finisher's medal. One Elvis ran the full marathon in under 3 hours. Viva Las Vegas.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 05 2007 08:28 AM

No 13-year-old girl with an Ipod can beat me at the line!



My tendonitis subsided with rest, but reappared as pain in the right hip when I started going again. I think I need orthodics. I also need to lose weight. Ironical that I need to run to lose weight but running at my weight is causing my knees, ankles and hips to give out, which is causing me not to run.

I'm thinking of maybe lopping off one of my legs.

metsmarathon
Dec 05 2007 08:31 AM

she looks pissed...

nice finish. one of my favorite pics was from a run to home plate wherein i was just finishing ahead of an even younger-looking girl.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 05 2007 08:43 AM

Here's a funny sequence. On the far left is crazy Polish guy who would pass everyone in this frame, going AAAAARRRRRRGH!!! as he ran and getting a big hand from all the spectators.

Racewalking Mom, in the foreground, would in a second get all pissed at Crewcut Teen just behind her for trying to cut in line at the chutes, but he didn't know what he was doing. I let him cut me as I was looking for a place to puke.



Look out, here comes Krazy Kowalksi!

Edgy DC
Dec 05 2007 08:48 AM

Thumbs up, Kowalski!

themetfairy
Dec 05 2007 09:12 AM

I've only done four runs so far this year, which is ridiculously little for me, but school really did take over my life this year.

On Saturday, though, the little guy and I are going to my new alma mater in order to run The Big Chill 5K. There's no entry fee - you just need to bring an unwrapped toy.

Last year we ran this one together - the little guy enjoyed seeing my school, even though I was only attending it virtually.

themetfairy
Dec 08 2007 10:43 AM

The little guy and I did, indeed, run The Big Chill 5K at Freakin' Rutgers. We were both dragging because the family had a late night in the City last night, but we had a good time. We finished in 38:50 (the little guy actually came in about 20 seconds ahead of me), but in real time you can probably lop a minute off of that because we started out at the back of the pack.

Hey, I'll never set any land speed records. But it was fun showing my son the College Avenue campus :)

themetfairy
Jan 01 2008 12:26 PM

I started off the new year by doing the Hamilton Hangover 5-mile run. I finished in a tortoise-paced 63:15, but I'm happy to have finished in that good a time. I have a 10K coming up in a few weeks, and this gives me confidence that I'll be able to finish that one in something less than 90 minutes....

metsmarathon
Jan 02 2008 05:01 PM

i've yet to run i the new year. but its early yet, and i'm planning on hitting the treadmill tomorrow after work. i could've run today at lunch, but decided to play some basketball instead.

good luck on the 10k!

themetfairy
Jan 02 2008 05:04 PM

Thanks mm :)

metsmarathon
Jan 16 2008 09:17 PM

as has been mentioned elsewhere, teh wifey and i ran the walt disney world marathon, half marathon, and family fun run 5k this past weekend, for a grand total of 42.4 miles over three days.

the 5k came first, on friday morning. they're trying out new locations/courses for the fun run. last year, it was run in disney's mgm (now hollywood) studios. that course sucked - the corral was too small, the start too wide, the course too narrow, and little/no effort was made to encourage runners to self-seed. it was a mess, and one of the most frustrating races i'd ever run. the course was also fairly uninteresting.

this year, the course ran through the animal kingdom, along some of the same roads as the marathon uses. the corral was spacious, occupying a large swath of parking lot, with none of the prior year's crowding. the start was appropriately narrow given the width of the course, and runners were encouraged to self seed, minimizing the number of walkers/slow runners in the front of the pack. while the course wasn't exactly thrilling and what not, it didn't suck.

we ran it slow, preferring to take our sweet time and get our legs moving.

i think our time was about 34 minutes or so.

the next day, we woke up at 3:00am to catch a bus at 4:00am to take us from our hotel to the start area for the half marathon. race start was at 6:00am. it was warm at 6:00 - we didnt need anything more than our singlets and shorts to keep warm. we ran consistently about a 12:00 mile, give or take a few seconds, varying mostly for bathroom breaks and such. we ran from epcot to the magic kingdom, through cinderella's castle, and back down to epcot for the finish. with three miles to go, at about 8:00, the sun was shining brightly, and warming us up far more than we would want. luckily, we only had 3 miles to go! we finished in 2:39:39.

wash, rinse, and repeat for the next day. again, wake at 3, bus at 4, start at 6. it was a little cooler that morning. we wore a long sleeve technical t-shirt to the start and took them off just after the opening fireworks, handing them off to the in-laws at mile 4. the start goes through a small bite of epcot, then goes up to the magic kingdom, again through cinderella's castle, then over to the animal kingdom. after the animal kingdom begins the worst part of the race - a boring stretch along sunbaked, straight I-4 with a few overpasses from miles about 17 to 22. then, the course enters the new disney hollywood studios to begin the exciting push to the finish line. here, the course is lined with spectators, paying park customers and disney employees alike, and support continues along the path from the studios through the boardwalk, yacht cub, and beach club hotel area, around the world showcase and through epcot to the finish.

we ran consistently at about a 12:30 pace for most of the race, dialing it back a wee bit for the highway stretch, until we entered epcot, wherein we sortof hit the wall, but still maintained about a 14:30 pace for the last two miles.

our time for the marathon was 5:45:41.

15 minutes faster than last year.

overall a good race. i'll have to put up some pics of the medals at some point soon - the marathon medal was special to commemorate its 15th anniversary, and the goofy medal was new, trading a silhouette of goofy's hat for a relief image of his face, solving the problem of people asking "what the hell is that?"

i'll also be updating my avatar soon with my logo for this year.

this is probably our last time running goofy. it's fun, but its a hell of a time commitment. we're still planning on running nyc this year, and i'm planning on qualifying for next year's nyc as well.

and there's a chance that my wifey's dad will decide to run the disney marathon next year, and if so she'll join him (he, and her mom, have run the half for the past five - or is it six - years). so we're not done yet by a long shot!

themetfairy
Jan 16 2008 09:26 PM

Very cool marathon - thanks for the recap. I'm in awe of you guys - 10K kills me, and a marathon is 20 miles beyond that!

I'm looking forward to seeing those medals :)

Farmer Ted
Jan 17 2008 08:19 AM

You're a running madman. Glad the course didn't suck. Goofy will miss you. Try Salt Lake City. Liked it a lot and got a PR there.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jan 17 2008 08:35 AM

Nice job. I'm slowly overcoming/lessening my many injuries by stretching more rigourously (whoda thunk it?!?) and acccordingly my speed and stamina have improved. Did 6 miles the other day no sweat.

What are you running jocks using these days to prevent nipplechafe?

Vic Sage
Jan 17 2008 08:44 AM

you know, i would have been perfectly happy to go through my entire life without ever having to read the word "nipplechafe".

soupcan
Jan 17 2008 08:46 AM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
What are you running jocks using these days to prevent nipplechafe?


Bandaids was my old remedy.

Some folks just slather Vaseline on them.

Farmer Ted
Jan 17 2008 10:22 AM

Medical tape. Take off in the shower with soap!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jan 17 2008 10:39 AM

Vic Sage wrote:
you know, i would have been perfectly happy to go through my entire life without ever having to read the word "nipplechafe".


Wait'll I ask about "nutchafe"

Rockin' Doc
Jan 17 2008 11:06 AM

Lunchbucket - 'Wait'll I ask about "nutchafe"'

I must say that you people are not making running sound very fun or even healthy for that matter.

metsmarathon
Jan 17 2008 11:12 AM

typically its not a problem for me, however this year, during the marathon, my singlet managed to consistently shift to one side so that a seam had moved over my left nipple. no repositioning of my shirt would correct it. after about 13 miles i think i stopped at a medical tent for a slathering of vaseline, which i then reapplied later at about mile 22 i think.

i think this was like the second or third time ever for me. they do sell nip guards in running stores, and they look like good solutions. otherwise, i would suggest nexcare's waterproof hexagonal bandaids in the smallest size. they're just big enough to cover the desired area, and also, somewhat importantly, do not give the appearance of having large bandaids covering your nipple(s). i'd go that route if you cannot find the nip guards.

body glide is another good product available in running stores, and perhaps in large sporting goods retailers, that minimizes chafing in other areas, and may be useful here. its basically like vaseline, but in a anti-perspirant-looking stick format for easy application with less mess.

i'd say figure out which of your clothes lead to the most chafing, and wear them less, and avoid what features they share which may lead to the chafing. (now would be a good time to toss out a happy recommendation for running shorts with boxer-briefs built in, as opposed to just briefs, as a tremendous anti-chafing aid!)

Farmer Ted
Jan 17 2008 11:42 AM

Body Glide is great for the long runs. Arm pit area and groin especially. I lather up my toes with it to to prevent blisters.


Down side is it can dis-color some fabrics.

Methead
Jan 17 2008 12:04 PM

As a New Year's resolution of sorts, I promised myself to get the ol' lungs and heart in better shape. Not that I'm in terrible shape, but I used to mountain bike all through college, and I ran track in high school, and let's just say it's been a while since then.

We've had a treadmill in our basement for over a year and never used it, so I jumped on. Began by going a mile at about a 12-minute pace, and after a couple weeks of running every other day, I'm going about 1.75 miles at something like an 11-minute pace.

Fastest mile I ever ran was 5:57, but I was probably 15 or 16 years old. I don't think I'll ever go that fast again, but if I can go a few miles at around 10 minutes per, I'll be happy. At least it will be something to build on.

Vic Sage
Jan 17 2008 12:30 PM

i'd like to build something on my treadmill, too. A wet bar would be nice.

themetfairy
Jan 17 2008 01:57 PM

I only use my treadmill when the weather outside is absolutely dreadful or if it's icy out. It's my running tool of last resort.

For the most part I'm an indoor kind of person, but for running I totally prefer being outside.

Methead
Jan 17 2008 02:54 PM

I agree with both of you.

For now the treadmill makes it easy to measure pace, distance, and thus, improvement.

Plus I can watch TV while I run.

Kong76
Jan 17 2008 02:56 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 17 2008 02:56 PM

I've never feel comfortable on a treadmill, I applaud the wet bar concept.

As for nipplechafe, my sports bra seems to do the trick without lotions or
creams. Bandaids or tape ... ouch!

themetfairy
Jan 17 2008 02:56 PM

How you gonna ever find your place
Running in an artificial pace


;)

themetfairy
Jan 20 2008 05:29 PM

This weekend D-Dad and I went to Bermuda so I could run the 10K there. It was a rough course - much hillier than any course I've ever done before (including four miles in Cincinnati in 2003). I wound up walking up the hills in order to complete the course - that sucked, but I still had a good time. The scenery was gorgeous, and when I entered the stadium at the end of the run, my name was announced, and that was very cool. Plus I got this medal, which is the same medal the marathoners and half marathoners received in today's races -



Note to metsmarathon - they have a Bermuda Triangle Challenge that you might like - 1 mile Friday night, 10K Saturday and either the marathon or half marathon on Sunday. Yes, it's hilly, but you're never going to find more beautiful scenery anywhere.

metsmarathon
Jan 20 2008 08:45 PM

oh so tempting! the hills aren't a problem - its all i run on at home. the timing might be...

there's a good chance the in laws are going to do the wdw half marathon, and an off chance my father in law will actually try to tackle the marathon, so we'd be down there for that (and some amount of running that will likely not include goofy), so going back down a week or two later to bermuda might be a tough task.

also, i'm not sure we could trick them into doing anything in bermuda due to their much stated aversion towards hilliness. (though it'd be nice to try...)

bermuda is definitely someplace i want to go back to, and that race weekend is definitely something i want to do.

and good job! it looks like you enjoyed yourself at the finish! i love every time they do the name-calling-out thing!

themetfairy
Jan 20 2008 08:49 PM

Thanks mm. Yes, I definitely enjoyed the finish. I was bummed out over not running the entire way, but was proud of myself for sticking with it and finishing.

If not next year, than think about Bermuda in the future. The Bermuda Triangle Challenge sounds right up your alley

themetfairy
Mar 11 2008 04:53 PM

Hey marathon - you never did post that photo of the Goofy medal.

Meanwhile, I went to the New York Road Runner site and didn't see the Run to Home Plate listed. I guess we don't get one final chance to run on Shea's hallowed ground :(

Farmer Ted
Mar 11 2008 05:16 PM

Anyone sign up for the NYC Marathon lottery?

metsmarathon
Mar 11 2008 08:48 PM

jeez... my bad. lemme see what i can do...

metsmarathon
Mar 11 2008 09:05 PM
















howzat?

metsmarathon
Mar 11 2008 09:09 PM

i was looking for the run to home plate a while ago, and couldn't find anything about it. i know last year, they had modified the course a bit to account for the construction, but i, too, was hoping we'd have the opportunity to run there one last time... needless to say, i'm very much disappointed! not only did i really want to run the race, now i've gotta find another qualifier that i wanna do (for guaranteed entry into the '09 marathon)

i have one of those for this year's marathon as well, as i ran the 9 qualifiers last year to avoid the lottery. i've never done the lottery to get into nyc the two prior times i've run it.

themetfairy
Mar 11 2008 09:20 PM

I'm not seeing any images :(

metsmarathon
Mar 11 2008 10:01 PM

sigh... thats what i was afraid of... must work on some other solution...

themetfairy
Mar 12 2008 05:16 AM

Try uploading the pix to Image Shack, which will give you an easy URL to post.

metsmarathon
Mar 12 2008 06:31 AM

yeah... that'd be pretty easy. i think the problem is that our smugmug account isn't public, so linking to pictures in it is fairly useless.

but it was a decent attempt for just before bedtime.

i'll try imageshack tonight, i think.

themetfairy
Mar 12 2008 06:35 AM

Cool - I'm looking forward to seeing them :)

themetfairy
Mar 15 2008 09:27 AM

Ran a 5K in Bordentown today. 37:23 - not the worst time that I've logged lately (and a good minute faster than when I ran the same race two years ago).

So marathon - where are those pix?

AG/DC
Mar 25 2008 02:54 PM

In theaters Friday.

themetfairy
Mar 25 2008 03:10 PM

Based on the trailer, I already hate this film.

themetfairy
Mar 29 2008 10:04 AM

The little guy and I ran a very cold 5K at Hightstown High School this morning. I finished in 38:29, although I lost about 20 seconds due to a shoelace emergency on the kid's part. In typical fashion, he had a good kick at the end (something I can never manage) and finished a solid minute before I did.

Even though it was cold, it was a gorgeous day, and we had a chance to run in an area that I don't particularly know all that well. So it was a good time. But I'm glad to be indoors again

He marathon - where are those Goofy pix?

The Second Spitter
Apr 19 2008 04:44 AM

I want to say a word of thanks to metsmarathon for sharing the info regarding the McDavid strap. I know it wasn't directed at me, but I bought one, and it's really helped to resurrect my running regime.

themetfairy
Jun 08 2008 08:15 AM

It is damn hot out there today! I slogged through my first truly hot and humid run of the year.

Hey marathon - I'm still waiting to see pix of those medals!

bmfc1
Jun 08 2008 08:31 AM

I started running about 6 weeks ago. I'm following this plan:

http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/2/2_3/181.shtml

At first, I had trouble running for 90 seconds but yesterday, I ran for 25 minutes w/o stopping. I was very proud of myself. I had a mental barrier about running that long but a guy a work said that if I can run for 10 minutes, then walk for 2, then run again for 10, then I can run for 22 minutes w/o walking. I cranked up Bruce and tried not to look at my stop watch and I did it.

At the beginning, following the plan was a chore. Today, I said "I wish it was a run day!"

themetfairy
Jun 08 2008 09:39 AM

Very good job! I started out walking/running/walking/etc. about 9 years ago. It takes time to build up the stamina, but it feels great when you do it :)

Elster88
Jun 08 2008 09:53 AM

bmfc1 wrote:
I started running about 6 weeks ago. I'm following this plan:

http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/2/2_3/181.shtml


Hey that looks good I'm going to try that. My problem is I can't stand running outside, which is the exact opposite of what most people say. But I need a treadmill equipped with a television to go along with my Shuffle.

So my question is, what is jogging speed? For someone out of shape but still young and handsome?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jun 08 2008 10:14 AM

The wussiest jog speed on the treadmill at my gym is 4.5 mph, but that's really slow.

I have found my stamina is much better running outdoors but I am faster on the treadmill. I use the tread once a week for 30 minutes, and try for 1-hr. runs twice a week outside.

Some weeks, like this one, I miss all three.

PS:I find 15 minutes on the stationary bike before running extremely helpful.

themetfairy
Jun 08 2008 10:47 AM

Elster88 wrote:


So my question is, what is jogging speed? For someone out of shape but still young and handsome?


Whatever speed is comfortable for you. Start slowly and build your way up.

Good luck!

Frayed Knot
Jun 08 2008 11:02 AM

Over the winter I was not running 3 miles a day and eventually worked myself up to not running 5 per.
Later this year I'm hoping to not run a marathon.

Rockin' Doc
Jun 08 2008 12:11 PM

At this point in my life I try not to run unless something is chasing me.

Gwreck
Jun 08 2008 01:03 PM

bmfc1 wrote:
I started running about 6 weeks ago. I'm following this plan:

http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/2/2_3/181.shtml

At first, I had trouble running for 90 seconds but yesterday, I ran for 25 minutes w/o stopping. I was very proud of myself. I had a mental barrier about running that long but a guy a work said that if I can run for 10 minutes, then walk for 2, then run again for 10, then I can run for 22 minutes w/o walking. I cranked up Bruce and tried not to look at my stop watch and I did it.

At the beginning, following the plan was a chore. Today, I said "I wish it was a run day!"


Congrats. I also did Couch-to-5K (this winter). Running the 25 minutes without stopping was the big barrier for me, I think.

The mental barrier thing is a good point. Not looking at the stopwatch/treadmill clock was key for me as well.

themetfairy
Jun 08 2008 03:30 PM

Gwreck wrote:

The mental barrier thing is a good point. Not looking at the stopwatch/treadmill clock was key for me as well.


Agreed. On the treadmill it's all about the numbers. Outside it's just about the distance.

Kong76
Jun 08 2008 03:49 PM

RD: >>>At this point in my life I try not to run unless something is chasing me<<<

And even then I would hop on my bike anyways as I could be run down by most
anything at this point.

metsmarathon
Jun 08 2008 09:47 PM

themetfairy wrote:
Elster88 wrote:


So my question is, what is jogging speed? For someone out of shape but still young and handsome?


Whatever speed is comfortable for you. Start slowly and build your way up.

Good luck!


there's no such thing as jogging speed. only running speed.

the mere mention of speed, the notion that there is a goal - a time vs distance target - is the moment that jogging is irrevocably removed from the equation, leaving only running.

runners ask 'how fast am i going?' 'how far have i run, or do i have left to run?' 'can i run faster?' 'can i improve?' 'am i doing my best?' 'am i pushing myself?'

joggers only ask 'am i done yet?'

don't be a jogger. be a runner. its way more fun. runners can be slow, or they can be fast, or they can even take walk breaks. so don't just jog. run!

Farmer Ted
Jun 09 2008 08:07 AM

Didn't get in the NYC marathon through the lottery again this year. Elitists.

metsmarathon
Jun 10 2008 05:05 PM

that's why i run the qualifiers!

also, i just snuck into the hamptons marathon the day before it closed up. its about 5 weeks prior to nyc. so, whee!

marathon training for it officially started yeasterday, with a rest/cross train day.

today, i ran 3 miles "easy", tho that included noon-time sun, heat, and a big ol' 150-200' in 1/4 mile hill. i'd be running 4 miles now to make up for my missed 7-miler that i wanted to run sunday, but there's some angry clouds out there...

themetfairy
Jul 08 2008 08:38 AM

Hey marathon - have you ever run Teterboro? I'm thinking about doing it this year.

I'm not sure whether it'll be cool or monotonous. But I love the idea of the pace plane.

metsmarathon
Jul 08 2008 08:30 PM

i ran it once. it was cool to have a pace plane, but iirc, it was just towed, which makes sense, due to the alternative of running into heavy propwash and plane exhaust.

however, its a runway, so its dead flat, dead straight, and dead sunny. we ran it in what felt like a heat wave, tho i honestly have no idea what the actual weather that day was. on the tarmac, it was freakin hot. also, the winner that day won it in 14:47, so its a freakin fast course.

it was cool to have done, and to have been able to add to the list of odd places i've run a race (and you're ahead of me with that giants stadium thing, but i've got anaheim stadium on you, so we're even :p ). but we were more than happy to only do it once.

the inlaws did go back twice since that first try, though.

themetfairy
Jul 08 2008 08:47 PM

Thanks for the rundown. I'll check the weather forecast before making the trip.

themetfairy
Jul 13 2008 08:49 AM

Did a 5K this morning at Forrestal Village (off of Route 1, near Princeton). It was my first race in over 3 months, which is a long time for me to go without a race. Finished in 39:44 - my time at the two mile point was fine, but the third mile was an uphill battle, literally. Still, it was a gorgeous morning, the race had a great goodie bag (I got full-size bottles of Lancome perfume and lotion!), and they had pizza afterwards. Not a bad way to spend a Sunday morning :)

bmfc1
Jul 13 2008 07:22 PM

Congrats themetfairy!

themetfairy
Jul 13 2008 08:06 PM

Thanks :)

metsmarathon
Jul 13 2008 09:36 PM

nice!

i had to run 12 miles today. i figured i should get up early and run before it gets too hot. woke up at 6:30, got some coffee and a bagel, chowed it down... and then got settled in front of an addicting physics-based web game. so instead i started running at 11.

it was freaking hot out! jeez!

themetfairy
Jul 19 2008 09:26 AM

marathon - you were right about Teterboro. It was HOT out there on the runway. For a while we had a little haze, but that burned off right before race time.

I finished in 40:51 - nothing to write home about, but I'm glad to have done it once and to have finished, running the whole way.

The pace plane was amusing.

A Boy Named Seo
Jul 19 2008 09:28 PM

I ran 4 times this week, tomorrow's gonna be 5. 2.4-ish miles on lunch break at work and about 3 miles the last two days. I didn't hate it like I used to and was happy to have nice music-listening time. I think I like new places everyday, so it'll be tough to keep me entertained over the long haul, I imagine. We'll see.

themetfairy
Jul 19 2008 09:38 PM

Best of luck with that!

A Boy Named Seo
Jul 19 2008 10:07 PM

Thanks. I think I wanna keep it up. I surf lots and the doc last physical said I was doing good, but needed to mix it up, so I'm trying.

I quit meat about a month ago (surprisingly happy with it so far!) and am trying lots of stuff to buy back time from my wasted (in more ways than one) twenties.

Feeling pretty OK lately.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 17 2008 08:15 AM
Edited 4 time(s), most recently on Sep 17 2008 08:21 AM

Anyone seen this website? I entered my regular night-game route here.

It allows you to keep track of routes and times and provides precise distance which was mainly what I was interested in finding out.

mapmywalk.com

[url]http://www.mapmywalk.com/route/us/ny/new%20york/304894275562

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 17 2008 08:16 AM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 17 2008 08:18 AM

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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 17 2008 08:17 AM

Sorry this great new website I was telling you about crashes my safari.

Works good with Firefox looks like

themetfairy
Sep 17 2008 11:27 AM

I love the concept, but it's taking a while to load.

metsmarathon
Sep 17 2008 04:16 PM

i've been meaning to post the url to that site for a while... well, the www.mapmyrun.com version of it at least.

i've been using it since october last year to track my running and other sporting activities, and occasionally my weight and rest heart rate.

the current mapping tool is a little frustrating at times and can be buggy, i've noticed, but overall, the site is very useful.

so far, i've mapped like 75 different routes (most private, cos they start at my house, or involve running about an army base) of all manner of distances, and try to add in any races that don't already have routes in.

i wish it were easier to set up intervals, or out-and-backs, i guess. but i'd recommend it for anyone looking for this kind of thing.

metsmarathon
Sep 17 2008 04:27 PM

this here is a particularly useful application of the site...

the hamptons marathon, which i'll be running on the 27th!

themetfairy
Sep 17 2008 04:36 PM

Very cool - best of luck!

Frayed Knot
Sep 17 2008 05:31 PM

metsmarathon wrote:
the hamptons marathon, which i'll be running on the 27th!


Be sure to take advantage of the sparkling water stops along the way.


The south fork can be a lot hillier than one would expect to find on otherwise mostly very flat Long Island.
I couldn't get a map on that link to work, but the northern shore of the south fork (around Sag Harbor) and the very eastern end (east of the village of Montauk) in particular have some very steep hills.
Anything on or near Dune Road on the ocean (south) side of the fork should be flatter than flat.

metsmarathon
Sep 17 2008 06:08 PM

the course is basically between east hampton and napeague harbor, bounded on the south by montauk hwy (27) and by springs fireplace rd (CR 41) and, well, water on the north. mostly flat, with about two real hills and some rollercoasters intermingled.

Frayed Knot
Sep 17 2008 06:18 PM

I've done several bike tours out there and it's a good area for that sort of stuff -- especially since it's past Labor Day and the number of celeb monster SUVs should be at a minimum. The auto tonnage to road-mile ratio there can be a bitch on August weekends.

themetfairy
Sep 27 2008 10:06 AM

I started Weight Watchers this week, and today was my first 5K since starting the diet. For the first time in my life I have an appreciation for why long distance runners are so concerned about carbs prior to a big race. I didn't eat before the race, and I had very little bread yesterday. I started out fine, but a little before the 2-mile mark I started feeling it - I was extremely tired, and wasn't sure I'd have it in me to finish the race.

I did finish, with a time of 39:09. That's actually slightly faster than other races I've done this year. But it felt labored - I've rarely been so relieved to cross a finish line. But I did run the entire way, so that felt like a moral victory.

And they had Rita's Water Ices after the race, which helped restore me to a better state of being. Nothing in this world is as restorative as a mango water ice from Rita's (3.5 Weight Watchers exchanges for the kiddie size, and well worth it!).

bmfc1
Oct 03 2008 07:18 PM

Good luck w/WW, TMF.

metsmarathon
Oct 03 2008 08:45 PM

i owe a report from teh hamptons marathon... and pictures from that, and january's goofy race.

i suck in this regard.

but take note: hamptons was freakin' wet, and i ran it in 4:05:ish, just off my goal going into this marathon season, but better than i prolly could've expected given the paces of my training runs.

oh, and i also ran over 100 miles last month, which is prolly the first time i've ever done that. i've also run over 700 miles since last year (started counting in october), and i really want to check the exact figure there, to see how i do next calendar year. i'm thinking that my goal should be to run 1,000 miles in a year. that sounds rather daunting...

new york is next (11/2), wherein i hope to crack that 4-hour barrier. or cry trying...

themetfairy
Oct 03 2008 09:05 PM

bmfc1 wrote:
Good luck w/WW, TMF.


Thanks bmfc1

And best of luck marathon!

Fman99
Oct 04 2008 06:51 AM

I hope that someday I can get the psoriatic arthritis in my ankles under control enough to run outdoors. Right now the impact of running is too much for me so I stick to non-impact indoor stuff like ellipticals and stairmasters, or walking on treadmills at high inclines.

themetfairy
Oct 05 2008 08:38 AM

This morning MK and I ran Race for the Cure at Six Flags Great Adventure. this is the second year they've held the race at Great Adventure. It's always a moving event, although I'm getting kind of old for what getting there entails these days. We left the house at 6:30 this morning in order to drive down to Jackson and park before things got nutty.

I finished in 40:37, which isn't as bad as it sounds because there was a huge bottleneck to get to the starting line. MK finished ahead of me - he had struggled a bit during the run, but he always puts on a good kick at the end (I'm more the slow and steady tortoise).

But it's a great cause with great giveaways - we're still sorting through the loot we brought home (including a bag that will be a nice carrying case for my laptop, and a portable battery-powered fan. Not to mention the full size Loreal products....).

However, a power nap is definitely going to be on the day's agenda.

Elster88
Oct 05 2008 08:25 PM

My shins hurt. It's hard starting over.

A Boy Named Seo
Oct 08 2008 07:23 PM

Just signed up for my first 5K since I ran one with my old man in New Mexico back when I was around 7.

This one's for a fund raiser for my volunteer group and it's gonna be run on Zuma beach in Malibu, which should be real purty and all.

If any of you peeps have a soft spot for homeless kids, feel free to chip in a buck or two. Positive encouragement for my broken-down ass will also be gladly and gratefully accepted in lieu of donations.

Elster, how're them shins?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 08 2008 07:41 PM

Good luck, Seo.

Just realized recently that the 5K I did a year ago, the one that re-launched this thread and brought me back from running retirement, is scheduled this weekend -- but I'll be away. Secretly, improving my time in this race had been a small motivator in every run since then, now I'm gonna miss it!

A Boy Named Seo
Oct 08 2008 07:44 PM

I just re-read those posts about you and thumbs-up Kowalski and 13-year old iPod girl right before posting that. Great stuff. Pictures are dead, or just me?

themetfairy
Oct 08 2008 08:10 PM

Best of luck Seo.

Here's my advice - run your own race and don't worry about pacing yourself based on other people.

Have fun with it, and enjoy that pretty scenery :)

themetfairy
Oct 08 2008 08:17 PM

A Boy Named Seo wrote:
Just signed up for my first 5K since I ran one with my old man in New Mexico back when I was around 7.

This one's for a fund raiser for my volunteer group and it's gonna be run on Zuma beach in Malibu, which should be real purty and all.

If any of you peeps have a soft spot for homeless kids, feel free to chip in a buck or two. Positive encouragement for my broken-down ass will also be gladly and gratefully accepted in lieu of donations.

Elster, how're them shins?


Seo - I couldn't find your donation page. Do you want to either post it here or shoot it to me in an e-mail?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 08 2008 08:23 PM

A Boy Named Seo wrote:
I just re-read those posts about you and thumbs-up Kowalski and 13-year old iPod girl right before posting that. Great stuff. Pictures are dead, or just me?


They must have moved them so as to re-arrange the website for this year's race.

A Boy Named Seo
Oct 08 2008 11:50 PM

themetfairy wrote:
A Boy Named Seo wrote:
Just signed up for my first 5K since I ran one with my old man in New Mexico back when I was around 7.

This one's for a fund raiser for my volunteer group and it's gonna be run on Zuma beach in Malibu, which should be real purty and all.

If any of you peeps have a soft spot for homeless kids, feel free to chip in a buck or two. Positive encouragement for my broken-down ass will also be gladly and gratefully accepted in lieu of donations.

Elster, how're them shins?


Seo - I couldn't find your donation page. Do you want to either post it here or shoot it to me in an e-mail?


Oops... It's on this page where it says "Sponser Me Now" in purple, to the right of the cartoon school bus. Looks like you need to click it from there instead of the url I gave.

themetfairy
Oct 09 2008 07:30 AM

Thanks Seo.

Have a great time and best of luck with the event!

A Boy Named Seo
Oct 09 2008 08:46 AM

You kick ass. Thank you.

themetfairy
Oct 09 2008 09:19 AM

No, thank YOU! You're always on top of the CPF charity drive and other great causes. You rock!

metsmarathon
Oct 16 2008 12:20 PM

we had a "5k" at work today. throughout the year we have either two or three, and sometimes four, be they to celebrate armed forces day, employee appreciation day, multicultural day, or the combined federal campain (charity drive) kickoff. today's was the cfc kickoff.

now, i'd like to think that there are some smart people here at the arsenal, and i'm sure there are, and that there are some smart runners involved in teh conduct of this race, or at least in setting up the race course, which is the same for all.

but i don't think there are, really. several years ago, when i ran my first one of these, they had a race course that kinda wended its way around some buildings, and maybe was about a 5k. i only remember that course being used once. the next race that year, they i think tried to use the same course, but forgot that it should've doubled back around a building or three, and it ended up being about a 2.5k.

finally, they got it kinda right, with a course that goes out along an old road or two, fairly straight runs of course, and then comes back along an old rail bed, finishing up in front of the headquarters building. that course was claimed to be a 5k, but it always felt a little fastish. so i measured it once, mostly just hoping to figure out where the mile splits were - and found it to be only 3 miles; 0.1 miles shy of a 5k.

well, sometime over the summer, the arsenal decided to let verizon install a few temporary cell towers around the place, and wouldn'tcha knowit, one of 'em is smack dab in the middle of the old course. i had wondered if the race organizers would notice, and was not surprised when, three weeks ago, an announcement for today's race came out with no mention of a new course (no mention of an old course either...)

today, in the final reminder for the race, they included some wording like "this year we are introducing our brand new scenic course" so i figured they finally looked, and saw, hey, there's a big ol' tower in teh freakin' way.

get to the race registration area - its a low key affair - sign up, and look at the map. ok, so that's how they're gonna do it... go out along the golf course, take that road, back along the rail bed, more golf course, and go behind that building and finish back here.... sounds good. but would it kill them to post the mile markers on the big ol map? i can't be the only person who likes to know where the mile markers are!

well, they do their introductory remarks, and mention that there are indeed markers for the miles along the course, further adding to my disappointment over their omission from the map.

then the race starts. i take it a little easy for the first 100m, but then by a quarter mile, i start moving up, getting situated for the pack of runners i'll hang with for teh day. there's a handful of people all the way at the front of the pack, and they can have their 18-minute 5k. this here is where the race is.

as we turn into the golf course, at what i figure is prolly a half mile, i'm just making sure to pass the first female, and move up in my mini-pack. get to the mile in 6:45, and it feels about like they put it in the right place. also, hey, i'm moving pretty fast here. there's maybe five runners ahead of me in my pack, and five behind me. then the girl, and another guy make their move. i let them, as i fend off another would be passer.

come about a mile and a half, there's a water stop, and its annoyingly far to the outside of a wide turn. a sip and a splash later, i'm refreshed, and set my sights on that girl. every time the road dips slightly, or rises slightly, i take it as a chance to switch gears. i reel her in, along with the guy, and just after the 2 mile, with a 6:59 mile, i pass that asian guy who'd looked like he was ready to fade a mile ago.

there's one guy ahead of me that's sortof within range, but with a mile to go, i'm more than happy to not lose ground to him. i'd built up about the same lead on my trailers, so i felt fairly safe. we're done with the golf course, and i can hear/feel that somewhere behind me, there's a runner making a push, but he's not yet close. i had started to slow just a bit, but pushed just a bit to slam that door closed before it gets too far open. 7 minutes into this mile, i start thinking, ok, where's the mile mark? unsure of the course, and not quite ready to whip out that last sprinting gear, i just make sure i've got my good push going. i make another turn, glancing at my watch, thinking, ok, i should be under 22 for this 5k, and am bamboozled by a fairly long stretch ahead of me. maybe 300 yards, and then, over there, that's the turn to the finish... jeez...

and that guy behind me feels closer...

i can feel him gaining... and while i think i had that sprint still in reserve, at the same time, i still wanted to hang back - this technically being jsut part of tapering for the nyc marathon, and pulling hammy at a work 5k would just kinda suck...

with 30 yards or so to the finish, one of tehm 18-minute guys is making his way back along the course, and yells out 10th place runner to me.

up to that point, i was okay enough with letting the guy catch me. but not any more. i lengthened my stride a bit, cut into the corner to spring through it, and cruised on into the finish in 22:27. my friend joe finished a second and a half behind me. he came from freaking nowhere.

my last "1.1 mile" was 8:45 which couldn't've been right. no way i run 6:45, 7:00, and then, pushing the same effort level and pace, with no flock of runners passing me, an 8! the miles felt about right, but there's no way in hell the last 1.1 was really 1.1!

so i came back to my desk, played around with mapmyrun.com, and discovered the 5k course to be, in fact, 3.25 miles long. the first and second miles were properly marked, and the third mile was where i thought it should be... but the finish... no.

i mean, how damned hard is it to measure a race course? you get one of those little wheels, and you walk it out! or you jump onto some website, and a few clicks later, and there you have it! all done!

applying my pace to a 5k distance, i ran a 21:25 or thereabouts, approximately a 6:56 pace, which is getting close to (fairly unimpressive) post-collegiate PR territory. the guy, joe, i beat today had just beat me last year, by catching me and passing me just before the finish. i was nursing a quad injury then, and didnt want to risk the extra gear or three. today, i didnt need it.

on saturday, i run a very hilly 5k at a catholic school near me, then the seaside heights half marathon, and in two weeks, i take another stab at 4 hours.

themetfairy
Oct 16 2008 12:33 PM

Thanks marathon for the excellent descriptions and accounts of the race.

I agree with you wholeheartedly - how hard is it to mark 3.1 friggin miles? I hate it when race organizers who are willing to take your money aren't willing to measure a freakin' course.

WTG on your great run, and best of luck in the NYC Marathon!

metsmarathon
Oct 16 2008 12:38 PM

technically, i got paid to run this one, as it was during work hours... :)

themetfairy
Oct 16 2008 12:39 PM

metsmarathon wrote:
technically, i got paid to run this one, as it was during work hours... :)


Well, that helps. Some is forgiven ;)

metsmarathon
Oct 19 2008 01:05 PM

well, yesterday, i ran the first annual Sussex County Catholic Schools 5K Spirit Run at pope john xxiii hogh school in sparta nj. the course was a very challenging, very hilly route through the very roads that i run all the time - the course came to about a half mile from my house.

the most alarming feature of the course is the elevation change. from a low point of just under 800 ft elevation at about a half mile into the race, it goes up to over 1000 ft within the next mile. of course, its steeper than it sounds, at times.

some other quirks were the start on a track, with a tight turn off the track, down a steep, narrow path, to another tight turn towards the regular roads that we run on. this was very tricky in the beginning of the race, surrounded by dozens of rugrat speedbumps, and somewhat a pain in the butt heading into the finish up that same steep path onto the track. there was also a little paved path through the woods that had a sharp entry turn with a pothole right at the inside of the turn. i almost stepped right in it...

but like i said, it was challenging as hell. and sussex county in the fall is very scenic. i enjoyed the heck out of it.

my buddy from work, who i beat by a second on thursday, ran it as well. he was hanging off my shoulder for the first mile, but i lost him on the steepest parts of the hill - as was my strategy. i ended up beating him by 10 seconds, but lost a sprint to the finish to some high school-looking kid with no number. cost my 20th place... but i finished in 22:03.

i came in 2nd in my age group 30-34, missing 1st by 13 second. i was 13 seconds off the starting line, and had to fight my way through numerous rugrats and otherwse inexperienced (and therefore lacking in race-etiquette) runners. but oh well. i shouldn't be racing too hard anyways, as this is supposed to be my taper period for nyc. i'm techncally supposed to be taking it easy.

my buddy took first in his age group. whereas 9 males aged 30-34 ran the race, only 3 aged 25-29 ran it. his age group was therefore much easier. 2nd in his age group came in at about 27 min...

mrs marathon ran a 29:ish race, good for 3rd in her age group. very nice!

so we all got cool medals.

...

then today we ran the seaside heights half marathon. the logo on the free t-shirt reads "SSHTS 13.1" which leads to frequent double-takes...

its a flat as hell course, which starts on the boardwalk in seaside heights, goes down through seaside park along hte boardwalk, than onto the road into island beach state park for the turnaround. there's about 2 miles of boardwalk each way. it was windy today, to say the least. i mean, some gusts it felt like it was just gonna stop me dead in my tracks. i don't know how fast it was, but 30 mph sounds reasonable, and perhaps conservative. the wind was at our backs for the first half, heading south, and it was somewhat helpful at that.

i wore a longsleeve shirt over a sleeveless shirt, and running pants over my shorts because it was so windy, but after a mile, i took my shirt off, and started regretting the pants. i also had gloves, but i took them off almost immediately. i was a little warm, while the wind was at my back. got to the turnaround at about 54 minutes or so. and then i started the loong slog back through the wind. immediately, my long shirt was back on, as were the gloves, and i was glad i didnt do anything foolish like take off the pants. i tried to push through the wind as much as possible, and all of my running on big hills was a big help. when a strong gust hit, i pushed harder so that when it let up i would get an extra boost of speed (this is also my strategy for when hills get steeper). most of the way back, i was constantly passing people. i finished in 1:51:03 or thereabouts, so i only lost about 3 or 4 minutes to the wind on the return trip. i think i finished at about 120th place overall; no clue how i did within my age group.

whew.

i think i should prolly take this next week a little easier. you know. for tapering.

themetfairy
Oct 19 2008 01:33 PM

Wow! You had me at the hilly 5K. I am TOTALLY impressed!

Got any pix of the cool medals?

bmfc1
Oct 19 2008 01:55 PM

Nicely done metsmarathon! I'm impressed and inspired.

metsmarathon
Oct 19 2008 02:48 PM

well, the age group medals are really pretty basic. they're not nearly as awesome as the yet-unseen goofy medals :p

also, i was a bit disappointed that the sshts half marathon netted me no finisher medal. i mean, why would i run the darned thing if not to get another medal that i've gotta figure out how to one day display!

themetfairy
Nov 02 2008 10:21 AM

I ran a 5K this morning.

I figured I'd say it now, while it still sounded like something.

Once marathon regales us with impressive tales of the NYC Marathon, my little 5K will be (properly) relegated to the corner.

But here's something that the guys will appreciate. This race took place at a local high school, to benefit the sports programs and the marching band. So the entire school community was helping out - with registration, acting as race marshals, etc. It was a very well organized run. But the kicker is that the high school cheerleading squad lined the path to the finish line. So I finished up with lots of cheering, pom-poms, etc. It was a fun way to finish up :)

A Boy Named Seo
Nov 02 2008 12:35 PM

Congratulations, fairy. My 5K's next week and they better have some cheerleaders or those homeless kids can raise their own money next year.

themetfairy
Nov 02 2008 01:31 PM

Thanks Seo.

Best of luck with yours - I hope you have a great time :)

bmfc1
Nov 02 2008 01:43 PM

Congrats TMF. Good luck next week Seo.

I will run my first 5K next week, on my 50th birthday. I set this race as a goal several months ago. Somehow, I'm up to 5+ miles so I should be OK in the 5K but I've never participated in a race before.

Running has been a great gift to myself. Thank you both for your comments and good wishes.

A Boy Named Seo
Nov 02 2008 02:02 PM

You and I will own the 5K circuit next week. Great luck to you.

themetfairy
Nov 02 2008 02:05 PM

WTG bmfc1! If you're already doing 5 miles, then 5K will be a breeze :)

Here is my one bit of advice - run at your own pace, rather than trying to keep up with other runners. Trust me - that's easier said than done. But you need to run your own race or by the time you get to the third mile you'll be out of gas.

Also, practice drinking water while you're running. It's something you have to learn. The first time I tried to do it I got water up my nose!

That said, you're doing great. I hope you have a lot of fun with your first race (that's what it's all about!).

themetfairy
Nov 02 2008 02:05 PM

A Boy Named Seo wrote:
You and I will own the 5K circuit next week. Great luck to you.


Um, weather permitting, I have one next Sunday....

A Boy Named Seo
Nov 02 2008 02:16 PM

You and you and I are gonna totally own that shit next weekend.

Weather permitting.

Great luck to you, too, TMF.

themetfairy
Nov 02 2008 02:32 PM

Thanks :)

bmfc1
Nov 02 2008 04:11 PM

Thank you for the advice and good wishes. I've never drank while running... should I be?

A Boy Named Seo
Nov 02 2008 04:15 PM

I personally prefer bourbon, but I cramp up around mile 2 and fall over before mile 3.

No, I run between 3-4 miles and don't have any water or anything til I get back. I don't think I'll drink anything during my 5K this weekend. How do you normally do?

themetfairy
Nov 02 2008 05:56 PM

I usually take some sips of water at the water stations during the runs. More so during the hot weather than the cold.

It all comes down to personal preferences, of course. If you don't feel like grabbing a quick sip of water on the run, that's fine. But if you're thirsty, go for it. And you're allowed to throw the cup down after you're done, which I find to be a guilty pleasure ;)

metsmarathon
Nov 02 2008 10:03 PM

i'm sleepy. i ran new york in 4:12:01, missing my goal by 12 minutes and two seconds. oh well. all of the grumble-tempering from the hamptons marathon applies.

more tomorrow. if i decide to wake up...

also. ow. and good job, too!

A Boy Named Seo
Nov 02 2008 10:29 PM

I'm pretty disappointed in you that you missed your goal, but feel obligated to congratulate you just the same.

Seriously, that's awesome feat, man. Feet, too. Congrats.

themetfairy
Nov 03 2008 05:00 AM

Goal or no goal, that is fuckin' impressive. WTG marathon!

bmfc1
Nov 03 2008 11:56 AM

Nice going MM! You're an inspiration!

bmfc1
Nov 03 2008 11:58 AM

Question for the floor: as I've mentioned, I'm running in my first race this Saturday. I've only run once w/o my iPod and got too focused on my running "style" which just slowed me down. I read the race's application and it says "no headsets." First of all--why? Second--is this common?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 03 2008 12:00 PM

metsmarathon wrote:
i'm sleepy. i ran new york in 4:12:01, missing my goal by 12 minutes and two seconds. oh well. all of the grumble-tempering from the hamptons marathon applies.

more tomorrow. if i decide to wake up...

also. ow. and good job, too!


Nice job. I was out there on Manhattan Ave. cheering you guys and picturing myself out there some day.

I should also add that I was drinking mimosas and eating bagels and donuts and shit.

themetfairy
Nov 03 2008 01:01 PM

bmfc1 wrote:
Question for the floor: as I've mentioned, I'm running in my first race this Saturday. I've only run once w/o my iPod and got too focused on my running "style" which just slowed me down. I read the race's application and it says "no headsets." First of all--why? Second--is this common?


I personally prefer runningwithout a headset. Running is my quiet time.

That said, I don't recall seeing any "no headsets" rules in a 5K. I've heard of it in longer races, but not 5Ks.

Perhaps the race organizers are concerned that runners using headsets won't be able to hear traffic or other runners.

In any event, you'll be fine. Concentrate on the scenery and on the other runners, and don't stress over things like style. There are no style points - it only matters that you're doing it!

Centerfield
Nov 03 2008 01:16 PM

metsmarathon wrote:
i'm sleepy. i ran new york in 4:12:01, missing my goal by 12 minutes and two seconds. oh well. all of the grumble-tempering from the hamptons marathon applies.

more tomorrow. if i decide to wake up...

also. ow. and good job, too!


You guys are superhuman. I always wondered how anyone was able to run this distance. Seeing it firsthand, I realized you don't so much run, as you do just glide across the ground. My son and I were watching you guys runners as you raced by Columbus Circle...just before the Mile 26 marker. Where the band was playing. Congrats to you all.

themetfairy
Nov 03 2008 01:18 PM

I've done 10K a couple of times, and that kills me. I cannot imagine going 20 friggin' miles beyond that!

bmfc1
Nov 03 2008 01:53 PM

TMF: great advice... many thanks.

themetfairy
Nov 03 2008 02:03 PM

You're very welcome :)

metsmarathon
Nov 04 2008 07:25 AM

yeah, as far as style goes, i could give a ton of pointers, but the most basic thing is, relax. if you run relaxed, you'll prolly run with decent enough form.

if the race is on streets that may still be partly open to traffic, then i can totally understand the race prohibiting headphones. i think more races are starting to do it, though i haven't paid attention or anything. i only wear headphones on the treadmill, and they always piss me off cos the damned earbuds never stay in. i should prolly try other solutions, perhaps, but i like the sound on the ones i've currently got, and don't much care for headphoney headphones - the kind that cover the ear.

if my race report from 2005 is still out there on the interweb, just read that, and pretend it's 20% faster.

i basically ran the exact same race as i did back then, but instead of running 5:20, i ran 4:12... i went way too fast through brooklyn, as one of my 5k splits was 25:35 or so. just before i got to the pulaski bridge, and the halfway point, i noticed a twinge in my left hamstring that had me momentarily concerned, as that was way too early for that sort of thing. happily, it never bothered me again. my half marathon time was 1:54:43, about midway up said pulaski bridge. i was going a bit too fast for that first half, as i was about to find out. two miles later, i'm at the foot of the queensboro bridge, my nemesis. this is the one big climb in the race, although somehow all of brooklyn feels like its ever so oslightly inclined. i decide to continue my same level of effort going up the bridge, knowing full well that this decision held the fate of my marathon. i figured that if i dialed it back, i'd perhaps lose too much time, and also set my body back into a slower pace that i might not be able to bounce out of. i had also figured that with the hamptons marathon under my belt, i'd have a bit more endurance in me.

turns out i was wrong, but i don't think it was the uphill that did it. coming back down the bridge, i could just feel with every step that my quads were getting shredded. each and every impact was trouble. the downhill, i should've taken easy.

i turned onto first avenue, and yet again, i had little left. from 25k to 30k, miles 15.5 to 18.6, i ran at a 9:43 pace, and that was about all i had. i just couldn't get any better turnover going. i reached 20 miles, and the bridge into the bronx at about 3 hours. to make 4 hours for the marathon, my per-mile pace had to start with a 9, and i knew at that point, it was not going to happen.

... time for a commercial break. off to a meeting.

themetfairy
Nov 04 2008 08:20 AM

I can't even dream of running what you consider slow. And you cut over an hour off of your previous NYC Marathon to boot - wow!

Fabulous job marathon!

metsmarathon
Nov 04 2008 09:32 AM

sigh... that meeting took a little too long. i'll try finishing the story on thursday. i've gotta go on travel for a few days.

sitting on an airplane is not going to be fun...

bmfc1
Nov 04 2008 12:33 PM

Thanks MM--you and TMF provide terrific guidance and counsel. Have a safe flight.

A Boy Named Seo
Nov 07 2008 03:35 PM

BM- is your race tomorrow or Sunday? Good luck and happy birthday.

I ran each of the last 3 days and am taking tomorrow off before mine on Sunday. How do most of you peeps like to do it?

Fairy, good luck to you on Sunday, too.

themetfairy
Nov 07 2008 04:10 PM

Thanks Seo.

Taking a day off before a big race is a good idea. You'll be rarin' to go on Sunday.

Good luck guys, and have a great time :)

bmfc1
Nov 07 2008 07:30 PM

A Boy Named Seo wrote:
BM- is your race tomorrow or Sunday? Good luck and happy birthday.


Tomorrow. I'm psyched! Thanks.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 07 2008 07:51 PM

gluck.

I've been increasing time/distance but still taking 2 or 3 days off between runs. I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to run everyday, are you?

A Boy Named Seo
Nov 07 2008 09:29 PM

I don't know. I kinda just go if I fell OK and skip it if I don't. I think I've run, like, 7 or 8 days in a row once or twice, but mostly around 3 or 4 days a week. I don't run far, though. 2.4 miles minimum and 4 and 1/2 is my farthest so far.

I just got me a crappy Timex watch today so I can figure how slow I am and what to expect. I felt like I was faster before I got the stupid thing.

bmfc1
Nov 08 2008 10:41 AM
Edited 3 time(s), most recently on Nov 08 2008 09:01 PM

I completed my first race today, a 5K. It was great fun. I did what I was told not to do--go too fast at the start. I checked my time and saw that I was going ahead of my usual pace, such as it is, for the first half-mile, so when I had some room, I slowed down to my usual pace. However, I felt so good today that I ran my fastest mile ever in my 3rd mile. The ban on headphones was a suggestion and not a rule, so I had my running soundtrack ("Supernatural Superserious"--R.E.M.; "The Pretender"--Foo Fighters; "Long Road To Ruin"--Foo Fighters; "Sequestered In Memphis"--The Hold Steady; "I'll Be Good To You"--The Brothers Johnson; "Chelsea Dagger"--from the Amstel Light commercial; and, of course, "Rocky"... I didn't run long enough for Bruce, "Badlands"; "The Promised Land"; "No Surrender"; "Prove It All Night" or "How Far We've Come"--Matchbox Twenty).

I finished in 30 minutes. I thought that I was a lot faster than that. Perhaps it was because I was way in the back when we started and got caught in the pack. Or maybe I was just slow. I don't care. I've never raced before and wasn't cognizant of beating anybody else.

The important thing was that I accomplished my goal which was to train to run a 5K and to complete that 5K by my birthday. It feels very good to have met this goal. 50 isn't an end, it's only the beginning.

A Boy Named Seo
Nov 08 2008 12:56 PM

Wow, kick ass. Congratulations and happy birthday.

Good feeling, I bet, to have 5 songs on deck that you didn't get to listen to because you were too damn fast.

themetfairy
Nov 08 2008 01:14 PM

WTG! That's a great performance for your running debut.

And now you can eat your birthday cake guilt-free - you've earned those carbs :)

Congrats!

themetfairy
Nov 09 2008 09:47 AM

Ran my race this morning in 38:00 even. Slow as molasses, but nonetheless that was my second fastest time of the year (the fastest being back in March). Not horrible considering that there were stretches with wet leaves where I was trying to be careful, and one particularly nasty hill where I walked about 20-30 yards. The nice part was the middle mile, which was along Princeton's tow path - the foliage was gorgeous, and it was just a lovely route.

The race was run by the Center for Jewish Living at Princeton U (to benefit the Red Magen David, which is Israel's equivalent of the Red Cross), and they advertised that there would be brunch following the race. They were not kidding about brunch - they had an omelet station, blintzes, French toast, etc. I stuck with fresh fruit and some lox and tomatoes (skipped the bagel) so as not to sabotage my Weight Watchers progress. But it was an impressive spread!

On the subject of Weight Watchers, this is the first time I've felt really good about a 5K since I started the diet. I feel like my body is finally adjusting to running on less fuel, which is a good thing. It's two hours later, and I'm on a great runner's high (the latte D-Dad made me when I got home didn't hurt ).

bmfc1
Nov 09 2008 11:06 AM

Congrats TMF. The description of the brunch made me laugh. Did they have Grandmas there to give out the food: "You look tired dear, have a nice bagel."

themetfairy
Nov 09 2008 11:16 AM

No grandmas. This was run by a young but earnest female Rabbi and a bunch of very earnest student volunteers. Lots of enthusiastic check-in volunteers, race marshals on the course cheering the runners on and people helping out at the brunch.

It was really a very sweet event, and nicely planned out.

My only complaint is that they messed up the race results slightly. I came in at 38:00, but they had me listed at 40:15. They had someone else listed at 38:00, so I think they mixed up the order of finish somehow. But that's a small potatoes item - for the most part, this was a well conducted event.

themetfairy
Nov 09 2008 02:57 PM

Seo - where are you? How was the race?

A Boy Named Seo
Nov 09 2008 04:13 PM

Just got home now. I checked the surf report for Malibu this morning and it was reporting 30-40 MPH winds and it was totally accurate. The run was right on the sidewalk/bike path next to the sand, so the wind was blowing full-on. They were filming something in the parking lot this morning in the spot where the picture below was taken. Those Star Wagon trailers were everywhere. Saw no stars, though.



The first leg of the run was directly into the wind. It was slow-going, but ended up being a good thing, 'cause it kept me from going nuts out of the gate, which I felt like I might do. Still got sand in my ears now. The return leg with that wind at my back felt like gliding. It was super easy and there were clearly no future Olympians in my intimate group (maybe 15-20 peeps), 'cause I finished first at 26:30.

The whole thing was a great success. We raised over $3,500 bucks for the kids and I was happy to just be involved, but even happier to completely obliterate the competition with a steely detachment that even freaked me out. You could almost call my competitive streak "mean". Not really. But I wasn't gonna let anyone pass me, either.

We had no omlette bar at the finish, but we did go to the Sunset Bar for drinks on the beach. It was awesome.

Congrats to both of you'se guys. Personal goals and times were being smashed left and right this weekend. All the peeps in this thread have been really helpful and inspiring.

Keep it up, yo.

themetfairy
Nov 09 2008 04:27 PM

WTG Seo! And what a gorgeous place to run - wow!

Congrats on your victory, on completing your first 5K, and on doing such a good thing for the kids. You're an inspiration!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 09 2008 05:38 PM

Guys congrats on your runs this weekend. Really impressive!

themetfairy
Nov 10 2008 10:58 AM

themetfairy wrote:


My only complaint is that they messed up the race results slightly. I came in at 38:00, but they had me listed at 40:15. They had someone else listed at 38:00, so I think they mixed up the order of finish somehow. But that's a small potatoes item - for the most part, this was a well conducted event.


They caught the error when they posted the scores online.

So I have absolutely no complaints about this race :)

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 15 2008 04:36 PM

I got a little crazy this afternoon and ran from Brooklyn, to Manhattan, to Queens, back to Brooklyn. 10 miles in 1:35 even. Had it not been for a strong wind at by back for 60 blocks in a row, I dunno.

[url]http://www.mapmyrun.com/run/united-states/ny/new-york/798420574077

A Boy Named Seo
Nov 15 2008 05:55 PM

Shit, man. Excellent job. Looks like a fun run. Is it hard to run on the sidwalks/streets in Manhattan?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 15 2008 06:19 PM

A Boy Named Seo wrote:
Shit, man. Excellent job. Looks like a fun run. Is it hard to run on the sidwalks/streets in Manhattan?


Kinda. I didn't really think too much about that beforehand but I wasn't sure how far I'd get anyway. I had my Metrocard and could have quit at 14th street or 42nd and taken the subway home but the wind really made almost all of Manhattan easy.

Anyway, 1st avenue wasn't too bad since there's not a whole lot of stuff to the right. I only had to turn it on to beat a light twice and where I missed one, I just kinda crossed to the opposite side of the street, then back again to keep going.

Kong76
Nov 15 2008 06:30 PM

You'll be doing the marathon by next Oct.

themetfairy
Nov 15 2008 07:11 PM

I got a little crazy this afternoon and ran from Brooklyn, to Manhattan, to Queens, back to Brooklyn. 10 miles in 1:35 even. Had it not been for a strong wind at by back for 60 blocks in a row, I dunno.

[url]http://www.mapmyrun.com/run/united-states/ny/new-york/798420574077


Very cool - a nice route and a great time!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 27 2008 09:11 AM

Hey I just ran a 5-miler in Prospect Park this morning. Didn't sign up till last night waiting on the weather, my left ankle and my right knee (all acceptable).

Started off kinda slow then ran really hot near the end: 8:50 at 1 mile, 25:30 at 3 miles and 41:06 at the finish line.

themetfairy
Nov 27 2008 09:28 AM

Nice work Lunchbucket!

Now you've earned your Thanksgiving carbs :)

metsmarathon
Nov 27 2008 10:01 AM

nice work. good job picking up the pace at the end!

ran the second annual krogh's turkey trot 5k this morning. i put in a nice 21:40ish time, while the wifey came in at about 27:40ish. there were about 1500 runners in there, which is freakin' phenomenal for a second year race. last year there were over 700, as documented by this, um, pretty cool video. it claims to be the best turnout for a first year race ever. in nj.

which is pretty good, really.

mostly flat course, alongside beautiful, scenic lake mohawk. a bit cold, but not too windy.

bmfc1
Nov 27 2008 10:34 AM

Nice going JLB, metsmarathon and mrs.metsmarathon. A 5K in 21 minutes... wow.

themetfairy
Nov 27 2008 11:11 AM

nice work. good job picking up the pace at the end!

ran the second annual krogh's turkey trot 5k this morning. i put in a nice 21:40ish time, while the wifey came in at about 27:40ish. there were about 1500 runners in there, which is freakin' phenomenal for a second year race. last year there were over 700, as documented by this, um, pretty cool video. it claims to be the best turnout for a first year race ever. in nj.

which is pretty good, really.

mostly flat course, alongside beautiful, scenic lake mohawk. a bit cold, but not too windy.


More than pretty good - very impressive!

bmfc1
Nov 27 2008 11:27 AM

Thanks for the link to mapmyrun.com. I didn't know about that site. I like that it syncs with my Nike+iPod.

bmfc1
Jan 02 2009 04:50 PM

http://www.slate.com/id/2206025?nav=wp

Has anybody read the book discussed in this article?

metsmarathon
Jan 02 2009 08:35 PM

nope. but then, i don't think i've read any books on running...

themetfairy
Jan 02 2009 08:36 PM

I haven't read it either.

metsmarathon
Jan 05 2009 11:08 AM

so i decided that this year, i would resolve to run 1,000 miles. i had a pair of 100 mile months last year, and that wasn't so bad, and this just feels like the next "logical" step.

from oct07-oct08, i ran 780 miles
from nov07-nov08, i ran 826 miles
from dec07-dec08, i ran 858 miles
and from jan08-jan09, i ran 823 miles.

so its not entirely crazy. i just need to average 83 miles per month, or 19 miles per week.

of course, after i mentioned this to my wife, she confided that her goal was to 'run to walt disney world', a distance of 1123 miles, depending on the roads taken. so her sights are aimed a bit higher than mine. (93 miles per month, or 22 miles per week)

i think, though, that i'll be usurping her goal, and race her there. she's going to have a bit of a head start on me, though. she's running the walt disney world marathon with her parents (it's their first), and i'm only running the half (slacker). by the time this weekend is over, she'll have a good 20 miles or so more than me, but that's clearly not insurmountable.

i assume nobody else has such an absurd running goal for 2009, but feel free to share in any less absurd goals for the new year!

themetfairy
Jan 05 2009 11:20 AM

I'm in awe of you and mrs. marathon - best of luck with your quest!

My running is far more modest. Although I've been running almost every day for the last couple of months. In the past my knee would balk if I ran more than three times a week, but I have been doing quad exercises which, over time, have strengthened the knee. So I hope to run 5-7 days per week in the new year.

Which still puts me very far behind the marathons. You guys rock!

metsmarathon
Jan 05 2009 11:25 AM

i typically only run 3-4 days a week when i'm training for a marathon. i generally need at least one, preferably two or more rest days.

it also builds in opportunities to play other sports, too, as i've found that i cannot run well on the same days i've already played basketball, and i've learned, too, that i absolutely [u:2hjiv9wx]must not run[/u:2hjiv9wx] immediately after playing basketball or volleyball.

themetfairy
Jan 16 2009 06:05 AM

I have been officially put to shame by the sight of an older man in my neighborhood running outside (it's currently 10 degrees out according to my thermometer). I've been a wimp and have used the treadmill all week.

Kong76
Jan 16 2009 06:32 AM

It might make one feel like an ironman (woman) to go out and run in single
digit temps but sweating and heavy breathing in this weather can be good
for you.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jan 16 2009 08:42 AM

I fully intend to get out there, but the weather & my laziness are conspiring against me, and the treadmill isn't any fun comparatively.

I even went and bought a pair of running gloves the other day (to go with my running hat, which I love), just haven't used 'em yet.

metsmarathon
Jan 16 2009 12:35 PM

i've gotta go running this weekend. i've taken too much time off as it is. see, four weeks ago, i strained my calf, and had to shut 'er down for three weeks. i started running monday last week. ran half a mile on the treadmill, walked to the water fountain, got back on, ran another half mile, walked to the water fountain, and finished it off with a daunting entire mile! then i had a volleyball game on tuesday, wherein i did my best not to jump. meant to run on wednesday, but couldn't get around to it during lunch. thursday, flew down to walt disney world. on friday, ran in the walt disney world marathon weekend family fun run 5k, and repeated my run a mile and walk a bit deal to the tune of about a 37 min 5k through the animal kingdon. on saturday, i ran the walt disney world half marathon. put in a time of 2:10, which is both my third fastest half marathon time, and my slowest half marathon this year, of three. well, ok, of the past 12 months.

up to this point, all of my running had been with my calf firmly wrapped in a knockoff ace bandage. i also have had to modify my form to take off some of the stress from my calf. see, typically, i strike on my forefoot, just behind the ball of my foot. that puts an exceptional amount of additional stress on the calf as it stretches and must rebound with every footfall. this, however, overcomes my exceptionally flat feet and gives me a reasonably effecient stride. well, with a strained calf, i reverted to the more traditional heel-striking that most people do. i am much less efficient this way, but it served dual purposes. not only did it take the extra stretching away from my calf, it also kept me from trying to go too fast. so overall it was a good idea. it also served to remind me how much better my own boiomechanics are for me.

the next day, and the real reason we had gone down, was the walt disney world marathon, which i was not participating in. see, after last year's race, the wife and i had decided that we'd run it more than enough times (2 full marathons, 2 half marathons, and 3 marathon-and-a-half's) and were not going to run it again. however, her dad decided that he wanted to run a full marathon, having run half marathons for the prior 7 years. he also expressed a desire to run a marathon with his daughter (my wife). the disney marathon is an excellent course for a beginner, so we suggested that he run it this year, using the entirety of 2008 to train for it. her mom decided that she, too, having run half marathons for the prior 7 years, would also step up to the challenge. so when they all signed up for it, i was originally thinking of running with them, but bringing a camera and taking tons of pictures. but then i decided that would be a pain in the ass, and nobody around them would really appreciate me constantly running ahead, snapping pictures, running ahead, etc. so i decided i would be their official spectator along the course. and since we were going to be down there anyways, i might as well run the half. my wife would run with her dad, and her mom, despite being a slower runner typically, would do her best to keep up with them.

so anyways, its marathon morning, and we're all on our way out to the staging area. and its about 50 degrees. pretty cool, but its also 4:00 am. this is not a good sign. the weather report had it going up to 70, with no clouds, and it felt like it was going to get a good head start on that. the day before got up to 75 or so, but was about 40 at the start of the race. it was still nice and comfy when i finished. for the marathon, it was going to be a bit toasty. good weather for spectating, though!

so they get to the starting line, the race starts off at 6:00am. i'm standing just past the start, which is also the 4-mile mark. they manage to notice me as they run by, despite their being 4 lanes of highway and a median away. by the time they come by for the 4 mile mark, the sun is already starting to come up. but they're on their planned 13-minute pace. i say hi, offer some of the supplies (gu, pretzels, powerade, smarties, and lara bars, at a minimum) i've got with me, and they go off on their way.

i hop on a monorail, and meet them again at the 9 mile mark, where i again offer goodies and encouragement. its starting to warm up a bit. after they pass, i trek 10 minutes to just before the 13 mile mark and wait for them to show up. and its starting to warm up.

i had been wearing a technical long sleeve shirt over a technical t-shirt to this point, and cargo pants. once i set up shop, i doff the long sleeve t-shirt, and wait, all the while cheering people on. by the time they get to me, still close to their 13-minute pace, but the heat is starting to get ot them. again, i send them off with some pretzels, goodies, and encouragement. at this time, my mother in law decided that its in her best interest to hang back just a bit.

my plan originally had been to enjoy a nice breakfast at one of the nearby resort hotels, and catch them at the finish. but it looked like tehy might need some extra encouragement and/or supplies before they got there. it being their first marathon, and the heat the way it was, i was worried they might crash hard into the wall. so i decided to meet them in the former disney mgm studios at mile 23, and run in to the finish with them if needed.

also at this time, i get a text from my wife saying that she lost her dad at a bathroom stop. he apparently took off before she got out. she waited around for a while afterwards, but to no avail.

so if i saw him before she did, i would run in with him for as much of the marathon course as i could legally follow.

she found him a few miles later, and ran a little too hard in the chase.

so took the monorail back to epcot, walked through the park in time to see the 4 hour pace team come by to the finish, and walked around disneys boardwalk area to our hotel - the swan. i stopped in the hotel, changed into shorts and another t-shirt, lightened my bag full of goodies, and headed to mgm. i found a good spot in mgm, with excellent acoustics, and clapped for and cheered on the runners as they passed by. i even had a few runners remember me from prior locations, which made me feel pretty good. so my wife and her dad get to me after a while, and they're looking pretty good. they'v slowed to about a 14-minute pace, but were doing well with a 5k to go. the wife took some pretzels for her dad, and some powerade, and i waited around for her mom who was not far behind them. she came by in about 10 minutes, and totally didnt notice me.

so i ran after her, asked if she wanted any company for the run back, and she declined. she was doing pretty well and looked very comfortable in her running. after she passed, i decided to try and bet them to the finish. its a 5k for them, but because of the way the course is laid out, i could cut out about 3/4 of a mile. i run about as fast as i could with a bum calf, cargo shorts, a nikon D60 in one hand and the other hand holding a powerade while stabilizing my backpack.

just after i enter epcot via the back entrance, i see my wife and her dad. i had managed to catch up to them! they had to run a little farther than i did, and their mile #25 was a big 'ol struggle at 20 minutes. tehy had just started their tour around the world showcase, and i had plenty of time now to get to the finish. i was initially concerned with beating her mom to the finish. but now i knew i could chill a bit.

i got to the finish with plenty of time to find a decent enough spot (though had i looked just a teensy bit harder, i'd've been able to get right alongside the course with a good view of the finish line as well. oh well!)

my wife and her dad finished in about 6:15. his goal was to run it in 6 hours, but given the heat and the cloudless skies, i'd say he could've beaten it easily with more favorable conditions. her mom came in a mere 7 minutes later, at 6:23.

now, if you've ever heard of the term age grading, and its been mentioned in this thread before, her mom's age graded result was 43.7%, which beat her dad's 42.9% result, and totally blew away my wife's 37%!

in fact, i only beat her 43.7% by 7 minutes in my race!

her parents are both pretty happy with their race, and will probably do another, i think. they ran it smartly, and didn't try to push themselves too hard, resulting in a major crash (like i am wont to do).

unfortunately, i'm a little bit of a rookie at taking pictures with my fancy camera of moving objects, and didnt end up with too many good action shots. early in the race, i managed to always be playing with camera settings by the time they showed up. after the hotel stop, i switched to a more zoomy lens, and got better shots, but the one that i thought was the best ended up just out of focus, and diappointingly so. i'll have to throw some of tehm up in this thread (or cross over into cheese!) once i get 'em off my camera and converted.

metsmarathon
Jan 16 2009 12:47 PM



if you're in the market for running gloves, for, like, the winter, get these!

they're nice and toasty, and i wear 'em all the time when the weather is below freezing. for me they're too toasty for 40 degree weather, but they might be good for you. they also do a nice job of resiting wind penetration unlike my other running gloves. they have a handy key pocket in the palm and, most importantly, the outside of the thumb and forefinger is lined with fleece. which is really, really good for when your nose decides to join you in your running.

themetfairy
Jan 16 2009 12:48 PM

Wow!

First of all, great running mm, even with an injury!

And congrats to Mrs. mm and her folks - I am in awe of anyone who can run a marathon.

It sounds like a good time was had by all. I can't wait to see the pix :)

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jan 17 2009 06:40 PM

Ten miles in the running gloves today. Very cold but not much wind = OK conditions.

metsmarathon
Jan 17 2009 07:32 PM

my wife yelled at me when i tried to run today. boo.

A Boy Named Seo
Jan 23 2009 11:50 AM

I got sick real bad and drank a lot of beer and stuff in December. Went running 3 miles the other day and it was like the Pall Mall Invitational. Hacking and coughing the whole way. Maybe need a couple more days and more of that codeine cough syrup, for sure.

Johnny, when you running a half? Or are you building up for a whole marathon?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jan 23 2009 12:30 PM

I'm just seeing how it goes. Brooklyn half-marathon is in May, I think. I figure I could hack that at the rate I'm going as long as my knee holds up (knock on wood) and I don't get any lazier than I already am.

A Boy Named Seo
Jan 23 2009 12:35 PM

You've done 10 mi. a few times now, no? Can't speak for your knee, but you don't look lazy from where my lazy ass sits.

themetfairy
Jan 23 2009 12:45 PM

Feel better Seo.

And best of luck with the training Lunchbucket!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jan 29 2009 01:31 PM

Not to be a complete geek but what's everyone wearing on theoir feet these days?

I am rapidly approaching the end of the line for the Asics 2120s I got -- which IMO have been extremely durable and comfortable but never too cushy. I feel like they were probably good for a fatass like me.

So while I'm very likely to go buy the latest model in the line to replace 'em, which I'll probnably do in the next 30 to 60 days, just curious as to what the rest of yas are rockin.

themetfairy
Jan 29 2009 01:42 PM

I'm a New Balance girl. I have a wide foot, and New Balance is cut well for me.

Last year New Balance discontinued the line of runners that I had been wearing for years, which was traumatic for me. But once I accepted the fact that I'd have to pay for the more expensive New Balance 768 runners, I fell in love with them at first step -



D-Dad enjoys Asics, however.

metsmarathon
Jan 29 2009 02:41 PM

i've primarily run in these, the asics gel series, since i started running about ten years ago.



i think my first pair was a gel-126, or something, and then they started calling 'em the gel-1000s. with every update, they would add 10 to the title, and they're up to 1140 now.

every now and again, i would stray - briefly i tried saucony, which felt fine, but were narrow. i also felt they broke down a little quicker than the asics, though that may've been the model i was wearing, mostly. i had an unsuccessful foray into brooks recently. brooks don't make my feet happy. the toe-off on themodel i tried put too much strain on my calf.

i also tried the one-step-up asics gt-series, but they have too much arch, and too much stability, and mess up my form. i've also tried the top 'o' the line gel kayano's, and while i like them, they don't do much different for me than the gel's. also they have slightly too much arch, and can aggravate my plantar fasacia, i've found.

happily, the shoes that seem to work the best for me are pretty low-end, and are therefore relatively inexpensive. which is good, 'cos i can go through two or three pairs of shoes in a year.

themetfairy
Feb 14 2009 09:41 AM

I just got back from Princeton, where I ran my fastest 5K since the time I started library school!

This is the same route that I ran back in November. The killer hill was still there, but this time I was able to run it rather than having to walk for parts of it. I'm about 15 pounds lighter now than I was back then, and it makes a difference.

I finished the run in 35:09. Almost a full three minutes faster than my run in November.

I'm never going to set any land speed records. But I'm very pleased that I'm gaining some speed while losing the extra baggage.

bmfc1
Feb 14 2009 11:38 AM



I'm all about Ecco footwear. (This is 6040.)

metsmarathon
Feb 14 2009 04:08 PM

the wife and i just ran the breast cancer half marathon in jacksonville, florida.

virtually.

our course was a bit colder and hillier than the official marathon course, but it counts just the same!

all we have to do is map out a course on mapmyrun.com that adds up to the half marathon distance of 13.1 miles, then track our run using the nike+ sensor thingy and an ipod, and when we're done, upload the results (which i've gotta figure out how to do now), and we get the same medal and race shirt as everybody who ran the real race. naturally, we had to pay the same registration fee, but we save on hotel and airfare.

we kinda just decided on a lark to run it. we certainly didnt do any specific training for it. but it was kinda fun and easy.

the nike+ thingies are pretty handy too, even tho i don't typically (ever) run outdoors with my ipod.

my one complaint... there was a lot less race support out on the course than i'm used to!

Farmer Ted
Feb 14 2009 04:46 PM

Mizuno Wave Alchemy 7. I'm going back for another pair when this set kicks it.

bmfc1
Feb 14 2009 07:19 PM

I'm with metsmarathon: my older son gave me a Nike+iPod and I love it.

metsmarathon
Feb 14 2009 08:03 PM

i like it, and its darned useful, but i'm not sure how much i'll actually use it. i think i'm more likely to use it on the treadmill just so i dont have to remember my time and distance, but for the majority of my running, which is outdoors, i do not like running with headphones. i really only wear 'em in the gym to keep from going crazy with boredom, but outdoors i never have that problem no matter the distance.

maybe i'll look into that nike+ sport band thing that takes the ipod out of the loop and replaces your wristwatch. that could be fairly handy.

Vince Coleman Firecracker
Feb 15 2009 06:06 AM

metsmarathon wrote:
i think my first pair was a gel-126, or something, and then they started calling 'em the gel-1000s. with every update, they would add 10 to the title, and they're up to 1140 now.


The 126's are my favorite running sneakers of all time. I bought eight pairs of them, including four right before my running store moved on to the 1000's (which I hated).

themetfairy
Mar 01 2009 06:49 PM

My just-out-of-the-box New Balance 769 runners, with a Metly hue to them -

themetfairy
Mar 07 2009 09:49 AM

This is the kind of day that makes all of the cold weather slogging worthwhile. It is GORGEOUS out there - get out and run everybody!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Mar 07 2009 11:20 AM

on my way with new kicks and a new strap-on






















...radio

metsmarathon
Mar 21 2009 04:37 PM

yay, fartleks!

i basically did 5 driveway intervals. every five driveways, i pushed the pace, then for five driveways, i eased up. next time out i need to do more like 7 driveways, to get longer intervals in there. five driveways was a bit too short, and all of the long stretches with few driveways came during the easy intervals (not that i was complaining too much).

fartleks are a fun way to mix in speedier running. iirc, it means 'speed play' in swedish. you alternate intervals of faster and slower running, for random durations or distances. i need to do them more often, faster, and farther. my typical interval today was about 200m.

covered 5 miles in just under 40 minutes. in two months, and in a race, i'm hoping for 5 minutes fewer.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Mar 21 2009 06:11 PM

I ran almost 12 miles this afternoon, down over the Brooklyn Bridge, back home over the Willieburg. Got home to find a blood blister the size of Venus on my right arch.

PS-- I dunno about them fartleks. I know from getting bored on the treadmill how much I hate interfering with my pace.

themetfairy
Apr 04 2009 10:42 AM

I ran what is possibly a personal best today.

I say possibly, because in October 2000 I ran a race in approximately 33:30. I can't say for sure, because I lost the data somewhere along the way. But that was the only full 5K I had ever run faster than 34:00 (I had one race at 32:00 and change, but that was a mismeasured one).

Today I completed a 5K in 33:46. Still slow by anyone's standards, but fast for me. For a while my range was between 34:00 and 36:00, but in recent years it was more like 38:00. So to get it down below 34:00 is an accomplishment for me, and I'm happy about that.

metsmarathon
Apr 04 2009 11:41 AM

try looking for the race on athlinks.com.

i cant wait for this week to be over so i can start running again - i've taken the past two off after re-tweaking my calf while walking...

themetfairy
Apr 04 2009 11:55 AM

Good idea marathon. I checked it out, but couldn't find info going back to 2000 for this race.

Feel better - I hope you're back on the roads soon!

metsmarathon
Apr 04 2009 01:46 PM

the calf feels fine. i'm just trying to be smart (there's a first time for everything) and not run on it just yet.

A Boy Named Seo
Apr 04 2009 02:08 PM

Hey, well done, Fairy. Congrats.

themetfairy
Apr 04 2009 03:38 PM

marathon - that's a wise stragegy.

Seo - thanks :)

Farmer Ted
Apr 07 2009 05:55 PM

Got the NYC marathon email today. Wasn't expecting a guaranteed entrance. Then again, I think I was denied each of the past gazillion years it seems. I'm not in 5K shape, let alone marathon shape. I think I'll enter and see where I am, physically and mentally, on Oct. 1. Maybe I'll defer to next year. I never had any intention to run NYC all-out, rather somewhat lesiurely (4 hours or so) so I could take in the sights and sounds. Time to get the training charts out again. Once a runner...

themetfairy
Apr 07 2009 07:50 PM

Very cool Ted - good luck!

metsmarathon
Apr 08 2009 07:26 AM

i got mine too.

well, more correctly, yesterday, i got the first one that wasn't directed immediately to my junk mail folder. those two i got in february!

now, i lust for sunday, when i think i might test out the leg once again...

A Boy Named Seo
Apr 10 2009 02:40 PM

I know this got covered somewhere, but for those who like music when you run, which headphones do you hate the least again?

I had the kind that curled around your ear very similar to this (though not this brand) and didn't like them. The kinda hurt where the plastic part hangs over the ears.



I went to earbuds next and hated them because they always fell out (think marathon had the same prob.)

Got these Nike ones below, and they were snug (almost uncomfortably so), but better than the other two. They sounded just OK, but didn't move around on my head. They got hosed in my bag and I went back to the earbuds today and hate them more than ever. What do you guys use again?

themetfairy
Apr 10 2009 03:24 PM

I don't.

I worry too much about being able to hear traffic, bikers, etc. So I go without music while I run.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Apr 10 2009 06:39 PM

I realized that all the headphones I bought to exercise in got sweaty and gross and abused so I just go with the $10 pair I found on the rack at Virgin, with the plastic ear-hook. Not the most comfortable thing ever but they stay in there.

metsmarathon
Apr 10 2009 10:05 PM

nothing says 'i wont mind if you call me a jogger' like running with music.

unless you're on a treadmill. then, its different. the music keeps you sane.

so, from my experiences on treadmills, i've found these phillips heaphones to be superb.

http://www.consumer.philips.com/consume ... SHE5910-27

for the most part, tehy seem to stay in, or at least, they do a better job of most other headphones i've tried.

and, most importantly, they have an open design that they use for a so-called surround sound thing, which tends to make hte music sound fuller, and improves the bass. the side effect is that the open design prevents them from blocking out outside sound. there's no ear-popping isolation booth effect when you wear these. the only reason you shouldn't hear cars or dogs near you is if you're blowing out your eardrums with overly loud music.

they come in white and black, and have a set of replaceable ear gaskets so you can get the right fit, and they cost about $20 i think. they should be readily available just about anywhere. the website indicates that you could even find them in a walgreens.

also they come in a handy carrying case that lets you wind them up and stow them for safe keeping. even if you don't like the earphones, teh case almost is worth it, and would prolly work just as well with most other headphones you'd be likely to get.

i would suggest, too, that running the cable on the inside of your shirt may also help reduce the cord bounce that tends to rip earphones out of ears. also awkwardly looping the cord over each ear helps too. anything to take up the slack in the cord.

i have two pair (cos i thought i lost the first set, and found it after buying the replacement. then i lost the second set, so maybe i only have one pair) and i've had em for years now.

but really, you shouldn't run on streets with earphones. the elitists will just look down on you.

also its bad practice for races. and bad etiquette in races. i hate having to worry about snagging other people's earphone cords, or them not realizing that someone is coming up behind them because they're zoned out bopping along to their favorite n*sync ditty until either they've totally blocked my path or freaked out at my sudden appearance. runners with earphones clog races. or, y'know, them siging along...

please learn to run without music. it makes the world a better place.

A Boy Named Seo
Apr 11 2009 08:34 PM

Wish I'd read this thread this morning before I went out and bought these Nike ones...



...and then took them back to the store later in the afternoon. Not sure if this is the style JCL has, but I had to push these things back in my ears every 5 steps or so and was ready to whip 'em across the parking lot when I got back to my car. FWIW, a friend of mine has the same pair and absolutley loves them, but that guy also really like the Marshall Tucker band and oversized Havana-style Tommy Bahama hats, so, you know.

Thanks for the in-depth post, mm. Not so worried about purist runners snickering at me or anything, but I normally run on the paths on the beach and the like (leisurely peeps like me just looking to get a little exercise). Lately my fav spot is a wildlife preserve at Bolsa Chica State Beach. Just dirt paths and and squirrels and birds. Not too many people around to look out for.

Funnily enough, I way prefer to run w/ music, but the couple times I've had to go without, I actually ran better and with a more consistent pace. The music I love kinda fecks me up, I guess.

BTW- I got another pair of the all-white Nike's above. They're officially the "Headphones I Hate the Least"™ .

A Boy Named Seo
Apr 12 2009 06:29 PM

Bought this thing while I was getting headphones, too. The 4GB SanDisk Sansa Clip. Thing's tiny and has a display, which I dig. I'm a technical guy and it was a bitch to install, but it's working now and I'm looking forward to trying it out w/ my new semi-comfortable headphones next week.

Farmer Ted
Apr 20 2009 04:39 PM

Anyone looking for a running pal for NYC? I set a goal to run it, but having someone to do it with may help me follow-through with the plan. Probably going for 4:00 - 4:10. Even a friend of a friend will do.

metsmarathon
Apr 20 2009 05:01 PM

i wish i could say yes, but i've got my sights (and hopes and dreams) set on running it in 3:30, and i'm still a good several months away from admitting the folly of the situation.

if you'd be willing to accept an online training partner and/or corralmate, i could certainly handle that.

is this your first NYC'thon? i seem to recall you've run marathons before, no?

themetfairy
Apr 20 2009 06:52 PM

Best of luck to both of you - I'm in awe of anyone who can run a marathon in any time.

Farmer Ted
Apr 21 2009 09:28 AM

Nah, not looking for an on-line training partner. Just someone to bellyup to the line and run the race with. This will be my 4th marathon, God willing.

A Boy Named Seo
Apr 24 2009 04:29 PM

Ain't no marathon, but I'm taking my first swipe at 10 miles this weekend. I've not gone more than 6 before, so I'm gonna take it real easy.

metsmarathon
Apr 24 2009 05:15 PM

nice! good luck.

i've got me a pair of 5k's this weekend. the main street 5k in sparta on saturday, and the lincoln tunnel challenge on sunday.

i'll be hoping to find the fine line between pushing and taking it easy since they both finish uphill and my calf isn't quite ready for race pace just yet.

A Boy Named Seo
Apr 24 2009 06:04 PM

Thanks, man. And good luck to you, too. Just re-read this thread and all of us are like, awesome.

themetfairy
Apr 25 2009 06:00 AM

Good luck guys - I hope you have wonderful races :)

metsmarathon
Apr 25 2009 09:12 AM

eh, i was lazy this morning, and decided not to run the first 5k. $30 dollars for a race i'm not crazy about and wasn't planning on running hard seemed a bit much.

to make up for it, i'll prolly run 6 today instead.

themetfairy
Apr 25 2009 09:34 AM

I can relate. I almost never pre-register for 5Ks, just in case I'm not in the mood or the weather isn't great.

It's a gorgeous day, and you're still recovering, so a more relaxed run later sounds good.

metsmarathon
Apr 25 2009 01:23 PM

running 6 miles at noon was a mistake... when did it get so damned hot out?!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Apr 26 2009 07:32 AM

I was scared of the heat yesterday and forecast for today so I tried doing 11 miles last night but only made 9 and walked 2 miles home with an enormous blister.

I've been trying to overcome some achilles tendonitis, general fatigue from being too busy with my dad's health and work & stuff and and a stubborn mucous-producing cold that's lasted for weeks. My recent runs have all sucked bhmc.

metsmarathon
Apr 26 2009 10:49 AM

ran the lincoln tunnel challenge in 21:45 or so. thankfully, it was all underground!

according to my results on athlinks.com, that's a (post collegiate) PR in the 5k, but i think i've got one just a smidge faster in a race they dont have. i'll hafta check.

i guess the calf is pretty good then...

themetfairy
Apr 26 2009 05:58 PM

WTG Marathon! That's great :)

metsmarathon
Apr 26 2009 08:06 PM

PR'd by 2 seconds over a tiny 5k back in 2001.

A Boy Named Seo
Apr 26 2009 10:31 PM

Congrats, mm. I think "PR" might be the first time I've seen you use capitalization. Can't say it's not worthy of some caps either.

Hang in there, JLC. I can't speak for all the heavy stuff you've got going on, but I had a similar, lingering cough for parts of Dec. and Jan. that really took me deep.

I went out on Sat and was going to try for 10 mi, but my knees were all, "F-U!". I got just over 5 in at the slowest pace ever. I was going to try again tomorrow after surfing, but looks like I am meeting awesome (Australian!) Coachella girl instead, so my knees get an extra day off.

I gotta tell the story of that chick (here, not on FB!) some time very soon.

It's so gay.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Apr 27 2009 09:15 PM

ok, now.

Tell. The. Story.

metsmarathon
Apr 27 2009 09:26 PM

i think i capitalize OPS every now and again...

A Boy Named Seo
Apr 27 2009 10:55 PM

Surfing sucked so I ran about 7 or 7.5 today. Gotta map it on the site to be sure. 10 can wait.

Here's the long, gay story of how I met the chick. She's so awesome. If she plays her cards right, my next batch of whiny, country songs will be about Yahoo Serious and Olivia Newton-John instead of Memphis and the Mississippi River and whatever else.

So I go to the beach to have a surf a couple weeks ago, but got there a bit late and the wind was high and the tide wasn't cooperating and conditions were just bad. I keep a small travel guitar in my car (that's gay, but that's not the gay part), and so I decide to just hang out for a couple hours and play, and that's what I do.

After a bit of a time, this cutie pie of a girl pedals up to me on a big red beach cruiser and stops, and then asks me (in the most alluring Australian accent) if I know how to get to Seal Beach from where we were (Huntington Beach). I do, and I tell her (go that way), and we chat for a bit and I learn that she's a 21 (almost 22!) year old nursing student from Sydney out for the summer to visit her cousin in Oceanside, and she's here to go to Coachella and see California and America and have, you know, an adventure abroad.

So she says she wants to get a cup of tea in Seal Beach and I tell her the spot to go, a little place called Bogart's on the pier. She says if I want to join her later, that I should, and I say that'd be cool. When I ask her how I can get a hold of her, she's says she's got no mobile phone in America and blah blah blah, and she takes my number instead, and I'm thinking, "I've heard that one before, sister".

We say our farewells and I bid my cutie pie Aussie adieu, telling her to stop by and say 'hi' on her way back if I'm still here, and she says she will.

C'est la vie, Sheila.

About 45 minutes later, I pack up and start to drive home to Long Beach and decide, what the hell, let me see if she's at that coffee joint and I drive past and look for the big, red bike and it's not there, so I head home.

15 or so minutes later, I get a call from a number on my cell that I don't recognize and hit the 'ignore' button because that's what I do.

A voicemail's left, and when I listen it's none other than the Adorable Australian, calling from a freaking pay phone, no less (I didn't even know there were still pay phones!), and asking me if I'd like to join her for that coffee. She doesn't say where she is and acknowledges that there's no way I can get a hold of her, so just says in the sexiest, most tortuous way, "It was lovely meeting you," and wishes me a wonderful day.

Feck that.

I call the pay phone back and no answer.

What now, what now...

I swing my car around and head back to Seal Beach to look for this red bike that's gonna lead me to this awesome chick.

It's not a big town. It can't be that hard.

I drive up and down the main drag in Seal Beach twice, but no sign of her anywhere. Wait, there's the red bike! In front of Woody's Diner!

I park the car and head to the door and as I do, a family walks out and 'dad' takes handle of the impostor bike.

God damn it!

I walk to the corner and peep at Bogart's.

No red bike.

No red bike anywhere.

Now feeling like I've been thrust in the middle of the shittiest Nora Ephron move ever ("She was so amazing, but I have no way to contact her! My only hope is to find the big, red bike! Vomit, vomit, vomit!"), I head back to the car pissed that I don't pick up my cell phone ever, but knowing full-well that I probably won't the next time either. (For the record, I woulda walked out of that stupid-ass movie which, woulda no doubt starred Meg Ryan).

I sent a text to a friend who knew I was looking for her, and I said, "I struck out, man."

I walk past the red bike-less coffee shop on the way to my car and glance inside, and whattaya know.

A big smile and a wave from the Alluring Aussie (red bike locked up safely in the parking lot at the end of the pier with 10,000 other stupid bicycles).

She asks if I got her message (and she hopes I didn't think she was a maniac for calling so soon) and I tell her that her resourcefulness in calling me from a pay phone would not go unrewarded.

Turns out I was the first person she met in California and we had coffee for a couple of really cool hours. Met her at Coachella a week after that (making out with her while Band of Horses crooned "No One's Gonna Love You More Than I Do" is almost as gay as the Ephron-penned "Hunt for the Red Beach Cruiser"). I called off work this week and we're going to Big Sur and San Francisco for some hi-jinx before she goes to Brazil in a couple weeks. She's coming back after that for a couple more weeks still, and then poof, her visa's gonna expire. Oh, man.

Fun, fun, fun.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Apr 28 2009 04:51 AM

Dam. I came as soon as she said "Seal Beach."

A Boy Named Seo
Apr 28 2009 11:58 AM

Jeez, tell me about it. Smart, sexy girl, this one. Not sure why's she's hanging out with an old hobo like me, but it makes me think I'd be James Fucking Dean in Australia. Time to move.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Apr 28 2009 12:03 PM

Yes. Now how about some pics of our little Sydney Sweetypie.

A Boy Named Seo
Apr 28 2009 12:20 PM

Yah, when I get back. There was only one or two from Coachella and she's got 'em. I took only one pic, and it was of Blitzen Trapper. I'll take my cam this week.

Crikey!

Farmer Ted
Apr 28 2009 05:51 PM

As my friends in Indio call it, COOCHIE FEST, for obvious reasons.

themetfairy
May 01 2009 01:20 PM

I have a question - how many days per week do you guys run?

I know it seems like an odd question, since I've been running for 10 years now. But up until last fall I consistently ran three days per week - my knee couldn't handle more than that. However, I had been building up my quads in order to give my knees more support, I started losing weight, and I was looking to up my cardio. So I started running virtually every day in November, and I haven't missed a day since mid-January.

But now I'm at my goal weight, and I know it's supposed to be good to build in rest into one's routine, so I'm reluctantly ready to cut back on my running.

Which leads me to the question - if I'm not training for a race, but am basically running for cardio and for weight control, how many days per week should I run?

Thanks.

metsmarathon
May 01 2009 08:50 PM

i might've run every day briefly during cross country season for a few years in college, but i think even then we had days off.

last year i ran three or four days a week, with off days interspersed to allow me to also play some other sports.

this year, my training plan has me running five days a week usually, with off days on monday and friday, i think.

generally i need the off days to help recover from the long runs, or hard mid-week workouts, or just to have some flexibility in case life, weather, or other sports get in the way.

but if i felt like i could keep up with running each and every single day, i would love to be able to do that.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 01 2009 08:58 PM

Very erratic for me. Ideally I'd do 3 weekday runs and one long weekend run a week but it never works out that way.

I've done as few as 38 miles a month and as many as 81 over the last 6 months.

themetfairy
May 01 2009 09:18 PM

I've been running 20-25 miles a week, give or take.

I've never been blessed with speed, but I've been improving recently.

bmfc1
May 03 2009 12:55 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 03 2009 01:33 PM

I ran a 5K this morning, my second official race and first since November. We weren't timed so it wasn't much of a race but my timer had had me doing an average of 9.03/mi which was a total of 3 minutes faster than the other race.

I had a "rabbit" with my as I ran with my friend Fred. He is competitive so I set a goal to stay with him and I did. The rain and two big hills didn't help but I was very happy with my run. It shows that when I run solo, I have been running slower than I am capable of as I don't have someone to pace me.

Winning the raffle prize of a $25 Dick's Sporting Goods gift card was a nice bonus.

themetfairy
May 03 2009 01:19 PM

WTG bmfc1! That's excellent :)

metsmarathon
May 03 2009 05:30 PM

well, i unexpectedly set a PR in the long branch half marathon today with a 1:43:25 or thereabouts - approximately 12 seconds faster than last year.

thing is, i wasn't really trying for a PR today, and really wasnt expecting it.

i put in a really tough 8 mile tempo run on thursday, with a big ol' hill fairly early. this was on the heels of a particularly difficult sit up routine on wednesday. my legs were killing me in the hip area. they were still very sore this morning, and i really expected to crash and burn pretty early in the race as a result.

in the morning, i slathered my hips and calf with some j.r. watkins apothecary linement, and went off to the race.

i figured id try to start out aiming for a 40 min 5-mile split, and at about halfway through the first mile, i questioned whether i would be able to even do that, let alone the next 8 miles. i was feeling pretty sluggish after the first mile, but ran it in 8:30ish, and decided to push the pace a bit to see what i could do. basically i just decided to try to keep passing people.

i got to the 5 mile mark with a solid 8:00 pace. i started feeling a little burn in my hips, but managed to convince myself that it was the watkins, and not fatigue. i also convinced myself to just keep going to the 8, and we'll see what happens from there.

8 miles comes in just under 8:00 pace. and then comes the one actual hill in all of long branch. so i can't slow down - not on the hill! at the top, i stop briefly, to retie my shoe - it didnt really help - and continued on. there were at this point a bunch of runners that i've been passing and/or leapfroggins for a while, and i didn't really want to let any of them be ahead of me, so i decided to keep hanging on. just after the 9 mile mark, i noticed that i started losing focus a bit. catching myself in it, i made a point of passing the runner in front of me and getting back into my groove.

i got to the 10 mile marker at 1:20:ish. looking at the clock, i started to do the math... 5k... 24 minutes... i realized to my surprise that my PR was actually within reach! i started pushing through the next mile. i thought i had been running really hard for a while, and looked at my watch, expecting to be 6 minutes into the 10th mile. i was only 3 minutes in! luckily, there was a water stop right ahead, so i got some water, dooused some more over my head, and got back on my horse.

the 10th mile passed in 7:55, iirc. the 11th in 7:40. i ran the 12th mile in 7:20, and crossed the finish line some 45 seconds later. a check of my watch said 1:44:37. i was close. i either made it or just missed.

it took me about a minute and 12 seconds to cross the start line from my place in the corral, so my net time was 1:43:25. or at least that's what i expect to see when the times are finally posted.

not bad for not really trying.

and now that the race is over, i can happily claim that my legs were more sore before i ran than they are now. cool.

the rain kinda sucked though...

themetfairy
May 03 2009 05:34 PM

WTG marathon - I'm in awe!

I'm also feeling especially wimpy. There was a local 5K this morning that I planned on running, but I decided against it due to the rain. You guys put me to shame.

bmfc1
May 03 2009 08:30 PM

My little run seems like a hop, skip and a jump after reading of metsmarathon's day. Congrats on the PR. Seriously, reading stories like this is inspirational (especially when a Johan endorsed product helps out).

And thanks TMF for your good wishes. You are far from a wimp.

Frayed Knot
May 03 2009 08:43 PM

If you (meaning anyone) want to increase your speed the idea is to alternate longer, slower paced runs with shorter, faster ones or with something like interval training (alternating sprints with walks).
And rest/recovery days - or at least days with short, easy runs - should always be thrown in on a regular basis.

themetfairy
May 03 2009 08:48 PM

Thanks FK.

metsmarathon
May 04 2009 08:17 AM

yup - what he said.

speed training can seem daunting, and "not for you" but really all it is is training to run faster. there are a lot of ways to incorporate them into your training.

the easiest way is to take a typical run and, for the last third of the total distance, push harder and increase your pace to the finish. this is handy for improving your race times as it helps convince you that you have more in your tank than you previously might've thought.

another good run is the tempo run. i'll quote hal higdon here:

Tempo Runs: This is a continuous run with an easy beginning, a buildup in the middle to near 10-K race pace, then ease back and cruise to the finish. A typical tempo run would begin with 5-10 minutes easy running, continue with 10-15 faster running, and finish with 5-10 minutes cooling down. You can't figure out your pace on a watch doing this workout; you need to listen to your body. Tempo runs are very useful for developing anaerobic threshold, essential for fast 5-K racing.


you could also try sprinkling in some fartleks every now and again...

and, rather importantly, follow up a hard day with an easy day.

interspersing these speedy runs with longer easier runs will give you faster times in the 5k.

really, i've found that the trick to running faster is first convincing your mind that your body is capable of doing it. if you don't believe that you can run faster, you won't. then you just need to build the confidence that not only can you run faster, but that you can run even faster farther.

...

if you feel like you just can't get yourself going any faster (and are okay with the possibility of looking like a wierdo to your neighbors or innocent bystanders) i'd suggest adding stride-outs to your training regiment. basically, find a nice straight flat stretch of road, perhaps 40-60m long (up to about 100m). gradually accelerate to race pace or beyond, but focus on maintaining an efficient form. you want ideally to go as fast as you can without losing good form. after each stride-out, jog slowly back to the start. you don't want to be out of breath before each stride, and if you find yourself losing form before the end of the stride, either slow down, take more rest, or shorten the distance.

if you do them, you shouldn't do them after a long run or a hard run - you don't want to be fatigued when you run them! and ease into them, and easily accelerate during them. the risk, of course, with speed training is if you're not ready for it, or if you do too much too soon, you can pull a muscle. but done right, they are very helpful.

then you can advance to interval repeats (like multiples of 200, 400, 800, or even 1600 meters), or hill repeats (my favorites!).

themetfairy
May 04 2009 08:38 AM

Thanks marathon :)

A Boy Named Seo
May 07 2009 01:05 PM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Yes. Now how about some pics of our little Sydney Sweetypie.




She's stoked to see a Met game even though she doesn't know what the hell the Mets are or what they do.

Keeper.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 07 2009 01:55 PM

Love.
Exciting and new.

Farmer Ted
May 07 2009 03:26 PM

She looks like a third base coach giving you a sign...SWING AWAY! HOME PLATE IS YOUR DESTINATION.

themetfairy
May 09 2009 11:35 AM

Ran a 5K this morning in 34:08. Yes, it's slower than the 33:46 I put in a couple of weeks ago. But in my defense, the "paved" portion of the course had tons of potholes and tree roots, and the first half of the Tow Path portion might well have been a trail run. So under the circumstances, I'm very happy with my second best race time in several years.

I'll try to improve upon this next weekend, on a hopefully smoother course.

Farmer Ted
May 11 2009 10:10 AM

Uh oh. IT band around the right knee is a bit achy. Shut it down for a few days, add some ice, implement ID Band contraption for a few days. I'll be running with duct tape around 1/2 of my body in a few weeks anyway.

themetfairy
May 11 2009 11:02 AM

Farmer Ted wrote:
Uh oh. IT band around the right knee is a bit achy. Shut it down for a few days, add some ice, implement ID Band contraption for a few days. I'll be running with duct tape around 1/2 of my body in a few weeks anyway.


Eek!

Feel better!

A Boy Named Seo
May 13 2009 02:45 PM

I started keeping track of my routes and such in mid-February, and bolstered by a 50+ mile April, I just passed the century mark for the year this weekend. After today, I'm at 111 miles so far.

themetfairy
May 13 2009 02:53 PM

Great idea - I should do that next year.

Nice job Seo!

metsmarathon
May 13 2009 06:00 PM

i think i've got about 100 routes mapped out using mapmyrun.com. and i've just been living at this house for not even three years yet. a fair amount of them are races, sure, but most are umy own unique running routes. i map and chart every run.

it makes it easier to know when to buy new shoes, and to keep track of how far i've run, and also makes it easier for me to figure out what to run on a given day. if i need to run 4 miles, i have a route or two to remind myself of, and i can add onto it if i want to even. i'm also starting to add some running routes from work, as ive taken to running during lunch at times, so there's a whole new way to increase my total!

now, if i could remember all my routes from my old apartment, my mom's house, my wife's parents' house, and college... why... i'd have a lot of running routes!

also, today, i finally crested 300 miles. i had hoped to complete that goal early last month, but i'm still relatively close to being on track for 1123 miles this year, what with dedicated marathon training still a month or so away. and with that milestone, i retire my old pair of asics gel 1140's,and replace them with a brand spankin' new, slightly differently colored pair of asics gel 1140s.

300 miles is my limit. at around 250, i can feel them really starting to wear out. beyond 300, the cushioning is totally shot, and they're only good for walking around in. and by the time the next pair reaches 300 miles, that walking around pair looks pretty beat up, and is ready for yardwork duty, or recycling. which i should eventually do with my leftover ten pairs of shoes cluttering up the garage...

if everything goes according to plan, i should need new shoes in just under three months from now...

themetfairy
May 13 2009 06:41 PM

There's shoe recycling at this race on Sunday, plus beer and wine tasting after the run.

metsmarathon
May 13 2009 09:32 PM

actually, there's a running store near work that i need to go to they have shoe recycling there. they don't sell the shoes i wear, but they do have the recycling. apparently, my shoes aren't fancy enough for a real running store.

i do need to stop buying them at dicks, tho, cos the shoe people there are, well, dicks.

Frayed Knot
May 14 2009 06:59 PM

Speaking of tracking running routes/mileage ...
Dad was a runner -- and a bit of an obsessive -- not to mention a pack rat.
So he kept these runners diaries from back prior to the personal computer age. They were small handbooks sold as a spin-off to Jim Fixx's best-seller 'The Complete Runners Book'. Always thought it odd that the [u:2pbi99d7]Complete[/u:2pbi99d7] runners book later had a sequel ... bit of a scam if you ask me.

Anyway, the upshot of it all is that the packrat/obsessive saved them all! At least 15 years of them going back to [u:2pbi99d7]1981[/u:2pbi99d7] from what I've found so far. In them were listed daily mileage, cumulative mileage, daily times, routes, weather, body weights, how he felt, etc.

But it is interesting reading 1982's, the year he ran the NYC marathon.
- He logged 1,140 miles in the calendar year prior to the Oct 24th race.
- Ran the race in 4:23:05 (just shy of age 53)
- claims he felt "comfortable" through about mile 19 before he "started coming apart"
- and that his knee was "shot" later than night

Looking ahead it looks like it was more than a month before the knee stopped barking.
Finished the year at 1,331 miles

metsmarathon
May 15 2009 11:55 AM

that's an awesome find! i always want to try to track things like how i felt and how the run went and all that, but never ever can get around to it. i'm typically thrilled with route/mileage/time and a one-word adjectival like 'sucked' or 'hard'

themetfairy
May 16 2009 09:53 AM

metsmarathon wrote:
really, i've found that the trick to running faster is first convincing your mind that your body is capable of doing it. if you don't believe that you can run faster, you won't. then you just need to build the confidence that not only can you run faster, but that you can run even faster farther.


Thank you marathon for this excellent bit of advice. I thought about it a lot this morning.

I was disappointed that I didn't set a Personal Record last weekend, and was aiming to set one today. I not only did that - I shattered my old one!

The course wasn't scenic - it was two laps around a corporate office park. But it was a reasonably flat and smooth course. I felt like I was struggling a little during the first mile, but I kept marathon's advice in my head and kept reminding myself that I could do this.

At the one mile mark the kid with the stopwatch said, "ten minutes." He didn't mention seconds, so I figured that he didn't quite know how these things work, and that I was somewhere in the ten minute range. But at two miles I came in just under twenty minutes, so I realized this was for real.

I knew I was on pace for a personal record, even if I slowed down a bit, but I feared that I'd slow down too much if I took it easy at all. So I kept pushing myself, and I even beat out another runner to the finish line.

I finished in 31:02, with a 9:59 pace.

I don't know whether I'll ever match this. The conditions were pretty perfect - warm but not hot, overcast, and with a very flat, well paved course. But even if I never run this fast again, I'm incredibly proud of myself for doing so well in this race.

Tomorrow, weather permitting, I'm planning on running a 5K at a nearby vineyard. I may still give it a try, even if the weather isn't great. But I'm planning on not pushing myself as much tomorrow - that race is more about the scenery and beer and wine tasting than about speed. But no matter what happens tomorrow, I'm very happy about today :)

themetfairy
May 17 2009 10:26 AM

I ran my second 5K in two days today. Finished in 32:43 - prior to yesterday, that would have been a personal record.

I'm pleased with the time. My legs were tired going into today, and the field was more crowded (with a lot of dogs to boot, since it was a fundraiser for dog charities). Plus they didn't have race marshals giving the splits along the way. So all things considered, I'm happy with my time.

After the race the food included free Rita's Water Ice, and there was a wine tasting because the race was held in a vineyard. So if I was disappointed by my time, it was drowned out by the sugar and the alcohol ;)

A good running weekend overall :)

metsmarathon
May 18 2009 01:28 PM

that's friggin' awesome! good job!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 18 2009 01:46 PM

My 9-year-old neice ran in a 5K this weekend as a part of a program called "Girls on the Run" and finished in 29: something, which apparently is very good for a 9-year-old girl.

I have been resting a very sore achilles tendon and fighting off a suinus infection/sore throat thingy and haven;t gone out in more than a week. I was working all winter towrad the Brooklyn half-marathon May 30 but now I'm not gonna be able to do it.

I suck!

themetfairy
May 18 2009 02:03 PM

Thanks marathon :)

WTG to Niece Lunchbucket! And feel better soon JCL!

Farmer Ted
May 18 2009 03:23 PM

I've been battling some IT band stiffness and some calf tightness of late. Got this thing a few days ago and my junk is no longer feeling junky. Wow, this gimmick has been fantastic.

http://www.shapeupshop.com/fitness/reco ... _stick.htm

The Second Spitter
May 26 2009 03:31 AM

I ran in a half-marathon two weeks ago. My time was 1:57 plus some change. I realize it's not super quick but for somebody who had a pin in their ankle for the better part of the year, I was ecstatic to do it under 2 hours.

Incidentally, next year is the 2,500 year anniversary of the genesis of the Marathon (ie Pheidippides running from battlefield in Marathon to Athens, exclaiming "We won" before collapsing and dying ) .

I've made it my goal to run in that race. It's on November 7, 2010, in case anybody else is interested.

themetfairy
May 26 2009 06:38 AM

Congrats on the half marathon. I'd be impressed even without the pin in your ankle - that's tremendous!

Best of luck on the marathon training.

The Second Spitter
May 26 2009 06:56 AM

Thanks, my running began to improve out of sight when;

(1) I began taking Leucine supplements.
(2) I switched from Asics GT 2110 to Nike Equalon 3.

I suspect it has more to do with former.

metsmarathon
May 26 2009 09:53 AM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 26 2009 01:00 PM

over the weekend i ran in the spring lake 5 (mile run). there were some 8000 runners participating this year, in what i believe is the largest field in any new jersey race.

i was the 354th runner to cross the finish line, with a clock time of 36:04 and a net time of 35:25, or a 7:05 pace. what this basically means is that i'm now about as fast as i was in college before i got fast.

for the first two and a half years of cross country, i struggled to run a 35:minute 5 miler. pace on the even miles always killed me. i would start out with a strong first mile, suck wind for the next, pick it up a bit for the third, falter the fourth, and finally pick myself up to try for a strong finish. my times would hover between mid 35 minutes and 37 minutes, but never cross that mythic threshold.

midway through my final season, something clicked and for a few weeks, i was melting away time, a minute at a time, and ran a 30:32 in my final cross country race. i was actually disappointed with that time because i ran a poor race that day, repeating my old tricks of having good and bad miles.

then that spring, i pulled my hamstring, and a year later i started running marathons with the wife. so i had put the speediness in the rearview mirror.

and so, with this race, i've pretty much gotten back to about where i once was, ten years ago. and without hte speedwork.

i've had this particular race circled on my calendar for a while. i've run it at least five times since '99, and its one of the few races i run that's the same distance as in college. my previous best in this race was 40:01.

i was a little worried about how i was going to fare because i had spent the latter half of last week flying out to arizona, standing around in the desert for a day, and then flying back the night before the race, plus we barely made it to the starting line in time.

i was actually worried if i would be able to break 40 minutes when the race started.

but i kept pushing, and actually ran a very consistent, even pace. every mile came in at between 7:00 and 7:10, and while i didnt feel like i could do my usual hard sprint in at the finish, i still felt fairly strong afterwards.

i'm very happy. this certainly reinforces my hopes of running new york in under three and a half hours, provided i can keep up the training, and avoid, as always, injury.

according to this handy calculator, i'm right on pace!

themetfairy
May 26 2009 12:51 PM

WTG marathon!

Rockin' Doc
May 26 2009 01:06 PM

Farmer Ted wrote:
I've been battling some IT band stiffness and some calf tightness of late. Got this thing a few days ago and my junk is no longer feeling junky. Wow, this gimmick has been fantastic.

http://www.shapeupshop.com/fitness/reco ... _stick.htm


Quick, someone send one of those sticks to Jose Reyes.

The Second Spitter
May 27 2009 04:25 AM

metsmarathon wrote:

i was the 354th runner to cross the finish line, with a clock time of 36:04 and a net time of 35:25, or a 7:05 pace. what this basically means is that i'm now about as fast as i was in college before i got fast.


You're a freak. Seriously, I'd have to give up weight training to even approach those times. Would it be rude to ask what your body weight is?

metsmarathon wrote:
i've had this particular race circled on my calendar for a while. i've run it at least five times since '99, and its one of the few races i run that's the same distance as in college. my previous best in this race was 40:01.


Is this a 10km? If not, what is your PB for the 10k?

metsmarathon
May 27 2009 07:46 AM

Triple Dee wrote:

i was the 354th runner to cross the finish line, with a clock time of 36:04 and a net time of 35:25, or a 7:05 pace. what this basically means is that i'm now about as fast as i was in college before i got fast.


You're a freak. Seriously, I'd have to give up weight training to even approach those times. Would it be rude to ask what your body weight is?


a lady never tells. as a man, i can happily say six-foot-one, about 196 +/-3 lbs, tho i'm hoping but not trying hard enough to get below 190. i find weight training to be helpful and important. i try to hit the gym 2-3 times a week for a nice thorough upper body workout, tho as important races come up i usually cut back. when a marathon approaches, i'll cut back on the weight and up the reps a bunch.

Triple Dee wrote:
i've had this particular race circled on my calendar for a while. i've run it at least five times since '99, and its one of the few races i run that's the same distance as in college. my previous best in this race was 40:01.


Is this a 10km? If not, what is your PB for the 10k?


5 mile. i don't think i've run too many 10ks. looking over my results on athlinks.com, i think i've run only one 10k by myself (i've run six with the wife). my time in that race, the 2008 Joe Kleinerman 10k, was 48:55, making it my PR.

The Second Spitter
May 27 2009 08:19 AM

metsmarathon wrote:

a lady never tells. as a man, i can happily say six-foot-one, about 196 +/-3 lbs, tho i'm hoping but not trying hard enough to get below 190.

Shit, we're almost identically proportioned. Now I feel real bad.

metsmarathon wrote:

i find weight training to be helpful and important. i try to hit the gym 2-3 times a week for a nice thorough upper body workout, tho as important races come up i usually cut back. when a marathon approaches, i'll cut back on the weight and up the reps a bunch.


How do you think weight training helps?

I'm doing weights 5 times a week at the moment (and that's all upper body). That leaves me time for only about 30km of running a week.

Just out of curiosity, how much do you usually lift? I'm benching 105 kgs for about 3-4 reps and military pressing 60kg. (It's x2.2 for lbs)

metsmarathon
May 27 2009 10:53 AM

its been a while since i got down on an actual bench and maxed out... i do my weight training on the cybex machines at the gym - its easier to get in on them and rotate through a workout. the benches are almost always used, and it sucks when you're trying to get in a workout, and none of hte weights or benches you want to use are free. the cybex machines i can get in and get out at my desired pace. the tradeoff is that i'm not engaging as much of the little stabilizing muscles.

i typically do 3 sets of 8 reps on each of: military press, lat pull down, chest press, seated row, eagly fly, arm extension, arm curl, and lateral raises.

military press, i'll do about 95 lbs. bench press is 130.

i don't do high weight/low reps because i'm not trying to build mass or power, per se. i do the 3x8's to build lean muscle and not lose flexibility or endurance in the process. after i lift, i can run if i want to, and my form doesn't suffer. also, increased mass isn't terribly beneficial for endurance running so i try for leanness.

but upper body strength is important for two reasons. one it balances the lower body. upper body strength actually does help propel you up hills, i think, because as you're driving your right leg down, you're opposite arm is doing the same. i think i used to know a better physiological explanation or reasoning there... the other reason is that if your upper body is stronger, tehn it will not fatigue during a longer run, and you'll be better able to maintain good form for longer distances.

so overall it helps you maintain a consistent even form throughout the distance and terrain. plus strength training is generally good for the body and stuff, and gives you another furnace to burn off them pesky calories.

also, in addition to running marathons, i also like to play basketball, as a center/power forward. the strength training is really helpful there. i'm cutting back on the basketball this year just to focus on the running and reduce the chances of injury and the extra pounding on my knees, but i like pushing people around down in the paint and don't wanna be totally useless when i return in november/december.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 27 2009 11:00 AM

Strong arms also a huge help in sprinting.

metsmarathon
Jun 02 2009 11:38 AM

well, this weekend, i ran what is one of my more favorite, and more challenging races of the year - the annual Sparta Day Run Around Lake Mohawk. its an 8-mile loop around scenic Lake Mohawk, right in my new home town, and this was the third time i've run it.

the course starts out flat for the first quarter mile. then, the next quarter mile sends you up a big hill overlooking the lake about 100', and then in the next quarter mile, you dip 40' only to come back up another 30', and finally you drop back to the lake shore elevation. the next three miles are mostly flat, with some rollercoaster action mixed in for fun, as you run past the island on which brad and jen were once rumored to have vacationed (they really didn't), many beautiful lakefront houses, the lake mohawk golf course, etc. then you go back up the hill at the far end of the lake, another 100' up in about a half mile, followed by a 50' dip and rise, and then the final 3 miles are again mostly flat with some roller coasters, finishing up by the delightful krogh's restaurant & brew pub (who are kind enough to sponsor my softball team).

last year, this race kicked my ass, and i struggled to finish in 1:02:34. i was hoping to run it in under an hour this year, but got off on the wrong foot by staying up until 3am on thursday night working on some projects around the house. i was fine on friday, but saturday morning, about a mile into the race, i felt like i had absolutely nothing in the tank. i passed the first mile mark in about 7:45. i didn't notice a 2-mile mark, and there was no 3-mile mark that i could tell. although i run around the lake a lot (like, every time i run more than 10 miles) and normally have a good feel for relative distances between any given landmark around it. but i had totally lost track of where i was when i came up on teh 4-mile mark - i thought i was about three miles in, and going terribly slowly. turns out, i wasn't. i hit 4 miles in about 31 minutes, which perked me up a lot. i had been running with a pack of jelly belly energy beans (or whatever they're called - i'll find a link later - they're pretty good) and cracked them open going up this hill. from here on, every time i ran uphill, i would down a bean. they helped a ton.

anyways, i spent the next three miles basically doing battle with one other runner, jockeying position a few times. but i put him in my rearview mirror for good with a mile left. then i came upon a pair of runners, one of whom was acting as the trainer for the other. i saw an opportunity to pass them up at the finish, and took it. with a quarter mile left, i had been creeping up behind them, and put myself into a lower gear, and blew by them both. this was a mistake. i was not blowing by them nearly fast enough, and i was too tired to keep it going for the full quarter. with 200m to go, the one guy's buddy starts pushing him, telling him to drop the hammer and catch me. and he did. i should've waited to the 200m mark to make my move instead of the other way around.

but oh well.

i finished with a time of 1:01:26, which i'm very happy with. around 3 miles in, i had been wondering if i was even going to be able to finish the damned race without crashing, or walking, and i ran the second half faster than the first half.

i finished up may having run 115 miles, and having set PRs in four races - the half marathon, the 5 mile road race, the 3.25 mile not-really-a-5k, and the 8-mile. altogether, not a bad month.

i feel like i'm fairly well on track for meeting my marathon goal, provided i can stay healthy, follow my program, and perhaps most importantly, eat and sleep well enough. i am still 107 miles behind my goal pace of running 1123 miles by the end of the year, but the formal start of my marathon training, beginning at the tail end of june, should take care of that nicely.

as far as i can tell, the 115 miles in a month is the most i've ever run in a month. at least since college. i have no clue what kind of mileage totals i put in during cross country, but only once in my collegiate "career" had i run more than 6 miles... i wish i had kept track back then!

the plan for june involves speedwork every wednesday, which i'm really looking forward to, if only because i'm sure i'll get some strange looks out of a few coworkers when i sprint past hte building, then jog back the other direction, and repeat that for like 12 times for my 200m repeats.

themetfairy
Jun 02 2009 01:58 PM

Very cool mm - kudos!

The Second Spitter
Jun 02 2009 11:22 PM

Reading MM's posts is always great inspiration. Well done, man.


i finished with a time of 1:01:26, which i'm very happy with.


If I ran 12miles in this time, I'd have made up a T-shirt commemorating this fact.


i finished up may having run 115 miles, and having set PRs in four races


"You're a machine"

metsmarathon
Jun 03 2009 07:43 AM

Triple Dee wrote:
Reading MM's posts is always great inspiration. Well done, man.


i finished with a time of 1:01:26, which i'm very happy with.


If I ran 12miles in this time, I'd have made up a T-shirt commemorating this fact.


so would i! it was only 8 miles... but thank s anyways!

to think.. in high school, when we ran the mile for gym class as part of that presidential fitness challenge (or whatever), i could never run the whole thing.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jun 03 2009 08:04 AM

I'm gonna see a podiatrist for my wonky achilles today. I feel like Cliff Floyd, it's not enough to stop me, just screw up everything.

Chad Ochoseis
Jun 03 2009 08:32 AM

I ran this morning, for the first time since incurring a slight muscle tear in my calf about five weeks ago. It was only 2 1/2 slow miles, but it felt great.

Irish's comment to my FB post bears repeating here:

-> Mendoza Line is officially declaring his calf muscle "all better"

Irish's comment: Even Mets fans are getting injured...what next?

themetfairy
Jun 03 2009 10:16 AM

Glad to hear that you're running again Mendoza :)

metsmarathon
Jun 03 2009 01:39 PM

i totally recommend j.r. watkins apothecary linement (its what johan uses) for recovering calf muscles. i still slather it on for races tho i've been running on my finally healthy calf for almost 2 months.

calves are tricky. good luck, and remember to mix in the rest!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jun 03 2009 08:36 PM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
I'm gonna see a podiatrist for my wonky achilles today. I feel like Cliff Floyd, it's not enough to stop me, just screw up everything.


Shut down for 6 weeks, given drugs, encouraged to develop some flexibility.

Where's that Yoga thread gone...

A Boy Named Seo
Jun 04 2009 08:34 AM

6 weeks. Ouch.

Get better soon, homes.

metsmarathon
Jun 04 2009 08:39 AM

flexibility is a good thing. i've taken to following a strict post-run regiment of quality stretches for my lower body. i hold each stretch a good 30 seconds, and many of em i repeat the stretch for added fun. its actually made quite an improvement in my flexibility, as i can now touch my toes, whereas in high school i had trouble getting my fingers past the tops of my striped tube socks.

what kind of drugs? also, any thoughts of going to a physical therapist? (that's where i got the idea for the 30 sec stretch, also how i get over my plantar fasciitis)

themetfairy
Jun 04 2009 09:10 AM

Yoga is excellent for flexibility.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jun 04 2009 09:34 AM

metsmarathon wrote:
flexibility is a good thing. i've taken to following a strict post-run regiment of quality stretches for my lower body. i hold each stretch a good 30 seconds, and many of em i repeat the stretch for added fun. its actually made quite an improvement in my flexibility, as i can now touch my toes, whereas in high school i had trouble getting my fingers past the tops of my striped tube socks.

what kind of drugs? also, any thoughts of going to a physical therapist? (that's where i got the idea for the 30 sec stretch, also how i get over my plantar fasciitis)


I forget the name of the drug, but a heavy duty anti-inflammatory to get rid of the irritation, which is fraying fibers in the tendon. My flexibility has never been very good, although the stretching I do has always included calves & achilles since having been hobbled by shin splints (and having my other achilles snap).

But as they say, the shin bone connected to the knee bone connected to the hammy bone connected to the hip bone, etc etc, and in totality my flexibility really sucks. He recommends "down dog" and other yoga-like stretches that will get the muscles working and stretching at the same time. No PT at this time, hopefully this just goes away and I can manage it, as I've been through PT with the other achilles and find it tedious.

My buddy runs a bikram studio and has been after me to do it for years and I know he's right since he's in great shape and I'm a trainwreck. I may do that but its $$ I don't have, so I may just go do it at the Y.

themetfairy
Jun 04 2009 09:40 AM

If you don't have a lot of time or don't want to spend the $$$, there are a lot of good yoga (and other workouts) on Exercise TV. You can get them on the computer, and workouts are also available on On Demand.

I swear by Exercise TV. I've been alternating 10-minute abs workouts since March (one each morning), and the improvement has been noticeable.

This 20-minute Zen in your Den workout is a nice intro to yoga (and a good, gentle practice if you're just in the mood for a quick stretch).

Frayed Knot
Jun 04 2009 09:41 AM

I'm like the least bendable person I know ... and that was true back when I was 17 y/o and weighed 140 pounds.
I think I'd immediately flunk out of any yoga course I took.

'OK, now take your right foot and put it here'
"Ummm, mine doesn't go there"

themetfairy
Jun 04 2009 09:47 AM

Frayed Knot wrote:
I'm like the least bendable person I know ... and that was true back when I was 17 y/o and weighed 140 pounds.
I think I'd immediately flunk out of any yoga course I took.

'OK, now take your right foot and put it here'
"Ummm, mine doesn't go there"


I'm the klutz of all time.

If I can do yoga, anyone can do it.

A Boy Named Seo
Jun 04 2009 09:48 AM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
metsmarathon wrote:
flexibility is a good thing. i've taken to following a strict post-run regiment of quality stretches for my lower body. i hold each stretch a good 30 seconds, and many of em i repeat the stretch for added fun. its actually made quite an improvement in my flexibility, as i can now touch my toes, whereas in high school i had trouble getting my fingers past the tops of my striped tube socks.

what kind of drugs? also, any thoughts of going to a physical therapist? (that's where i got the idea for the 30 sec stretch, also how i get over my plantar fasciitis)


I forget the name of the drug, but a heavy duty anti-inflammatory to get rid of the irritation, which is fraying fibers in the tendon. My flexibility has never been very good, although the stretching I do has always included calves & achilles since having been hobbled by shin splints (and having my other achilles snap).

But as they say, the shin bone connected to the knee bone connected to the hammy bone connected to the hip bone, etc etc, and in totality my flexibility really sucks. He recommends "down dog" and other yoga-like stretches that will get the muscles working and stretching at the same time. No PT at this time, hopefully this just goes away and I can manage it, as I've been through PT with the other achilles and find it tedious.

My buddy runs a bikram studio and has been after me to do it for years and I know he's right since he's in great shape and I'm a trainwreck. I may do that but its $$ I don't have, so I may just go do it at the Y.


What's a good way to stretch your achilles?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jun 04 2009 10:00 AM

Stand a few feet from a wall, one leg back and try to push over the wall, keeping the weight on your front foot and your rear foot flat on the floor. That stretches the calf.

While doing that stretch, slowly bend the knee on the back leg, that will stretch the achilles.

Hold those stretches for a while --up to 2 minutes. Then switch legs.

A Boy Named Seo
Jun 04 2009 10:06 AM

Thanks, G.

metsmarathon
Jun 04 2009 10:42 AM

and if you're looking to stretch out the arch of your foot, i take that same type of stretch, only on the rear foot, get up on my toes, and keeping the front foot just off the ground move it in towards the wall. varying the position of my front foot and how much lean, i get a great stretch of my foot that i do both before and after a run.

but this'll put a fair amount of stress on the achilles/calf, too, and mightn't be good to do if you've got an injured one of those.

my feet are (very) flat, and tend to do a lot of screaming if they're not well stretched before a run; also if my shoes are too tight. doing this, i get no problems out of them.

themetfairy
Jun 04 2009 09:03 PM

I'm running a 10K on Sunday. It's my first 10K since the one in Bermuda (see p. 2 of this thread). I'm curious to see how I'll do. On the one hand, my 5K times have improved tremendously over the past several months. On the other hand, I haven't run longer than 3.75 miles since I started Weight Watchers, so I'm a little nervous about my endurance over that distance (like the way I ran out of steam in the race described on p. 5 of this thread). But I'll never know how I'd do until I try it, so try it I shall.

A Boy Named Seo
Jun 04 2009 10:54 PM

Good for you. Kick some ass, fairy.

PS- thanks, thon and dickshot, both. I've been hurting lots in my feet and ankles and arches and all over and I'm a little worried. Think my cheap-ass needs to pony up for some new kicks, too. Mine are years and years old and starting to fall apart.

themetfairy
Jun 05 2009 05:18 AM

Get the new shoes Seo - you need them!

And thanks for the encouragement :)

The Second Spitter
Jun 05 2009 08:28 AM

Seo -- I highly recommend Nike Equalon 3.

Do any of you guys and girls use Garmin Forerunner or any other GPS based system? Or alternatively, have you marked out any interesting runs on Mapmyrun.com?

I'm looking to do some interesting runs while I'm in the US (that is, other than doing laps around Jackie O reservoir). One run that I've uploaded to my Garmin which I look forward to doing is Rocky's run. (Maybe I'll follow it up by doing some voluntary work at the local meatpacking plant :).

Metfairy -- don't worry about lasting the distance -- that fact you're lighter will work to your advantage particularly in the last 1/3, because your muscles will not be working as hard. However, if you have still have qualms, carry some carbo gel with you -- even if you don't use it, it will act as a "comfort blanket".

themetfairy
Jun 05 2009 08:50 AM

That's a thought 3D - thanks for the suggestion.

metsmarathon
Jun 06 2009 05:00 PM

the carbohydrate gel pack is a very good idea. however, i'd be hesitant if its your first time trying one - they're really an acquired taste. the first ones we ever tried, powergel, by the makers of powerbar, had the consistency of toothpaste, but none of the minty, tooth-cleansing goodness. they were rough getting down. i also recently had a lava gel (or something - we picked it up in hawaii). it had the consistency of used toothpaste. yeah, not good.

we've found a sweet spot in Gu, which has a decent consistency and a few flavors we like - namely the tri-berry, and also their blueberry pomegranate rocktane (slightly different formulation than the regular gu's). the inlaws seem to like the espresso love, tho the idea of that just makes me queasy...

that said, in lieu of energy gels, i'd heartily recommend heading out to your local target store (or running shop, but its late, and target'll prolly be open) and picking up these jelly belly sport beans:



they're what i had with me on my 8-miler last week, and they're good - they're freakin' jelly beans after all! also, you can kindof meter them out to yourself as you go. take maybe three or four at a time, saving the rest for the next mile, or the next rough patch. if they're hard to find, target also carries sharkies, which are basically the same idea, but are little gummy sharks. mrs.mm recommends the kids' ones, which are coated in sugar and tend not to stick to your teeth as much, and are therefore easier to chew.

also, what tends to work for me when i'm running longer distances, it to trick myself into forgetting what distance i'm actually running. f'rinstance, for the first half of the race, i would recommend just telling yourself that you're only running a 5k. get to that halfway mark without thinking about what comes next. take it a bit easy for the first half, too, but don't allow the real reason to enter into your mind.

then, once you get to the halfway, all you've got is a 5k left, and you've done a ton of those. and i'm sure you've ran in some where you felt more tired than you will at the start of this "5k". once you start that last 5k, it doens't matter how far you've run at that point, because you know you can run however far it is to the finish. you've done it so many times already. if you hit a rough patch, remember that you've only got so far left in the race, not how far you've run to that point. and you'll be fine.

running is a mental sport. and we're all insane.

metsmarathon
Jun 06 2009 05:08 PM

A Boy Named Seo wrote:
I've been hurting lots in my feet and ankles and arches and all over and I'm a little worried. Think my cheap-ass needs to pony up for some new kicks, too. Mine are years and years old and starting to fall apart.


yeah, i get new shoes every 300 miles... if i'm lucky, i'll be about 50 miles or so from retiring my 4th pair by the time new years' rolls around. heck, there's a slight chance i'll be retiring that 4th pair before my kid is born in december!

i can actually feel a difference when they get past 250 miles. and if i get forced into running in my shoes once they've been retired, i hate it, and it hurts me. especially if i've been walking around in them for months.

luckily, the shoes i wear aren't too fancy - $70-$80 asics gel 11x0s readily available at dick's sporting goods.

if there's a road runner sports near you, stop in and get a shoe dog consultant to fit you for a pair of shoes. they're really pretty good. or stop into your local favorite running store for a fitting. its much better than just randomly taking somebody's recommendation off the web, because your running form and feet will probably be different.

god, i hope your feet are different from mine...

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jun 06 2009 05:30 PM

S

I'm looking to do some interesting runs while I'm in the US (that is, other than doing laps around Jackie O reservoir). One run that I've uploaded to my Garmin which I look forward to doing is Rocky's run. (Maybe I'll follow it up by doing some voluntary work at the local meatpacking plant :).

.


I've mapped a ton of routes back and forth over the East River bridges (Willieberg, Manhattan, Brooklyn and Queensboro) which you can mix and match. Depending on where you start, you can do a 2 or 3-boro run ranging from 7 to 12 miles with plenty of waterfront beauty and sketchiness.

themetfairy
Jun 06 2009 07:14 PM

metsmarathon wrote:

running is a mental sport. and we're all insane.


True dat!

And thanks for the suggestions - I appreciate them!

metsmarathon
Jun 06 2009 08:34 PM

i've probably got nothing on mapmyrun that you can use. almost all my runs either start at my house, my parents and inlaws' houses, and are therefore not terribly public. i've got a few from my building at work, but i don't think i've made tehm public either - don't really think i'd want people thinking they could get into an army base looking for a running route.

other than that, when i'm at a hotel on travel, i do try to make those routes public, but they're typically uninteresting.

and if i run a race that's not yet mapped, i do map them, and make them public.

...if you're looking for a good place to run, might i suggest liberty state park - my old home course for cross country and a nice place to run. i'd try to map out our actual course, but it was needlessly convoluted with awkward, sometimes imaginary waypoints (10' past the third light post on the right - that sort of thing). really, you can put together a nice run just about anywheres within it. a quick search of mapmyrun.com gave me a bunch of good ideas (state: NJ, keyword: liberty), with this one being a great place to start.

http://www.mapmyrun.com/run/united-stat ... /384752513

much of that i've run personally either in a cross country race or two, or as part of the liberty half marathon (well, whatever it's called). mostly flat, good paths most of the time, and some longish grass back in the day. nice and up close to the statue of liberty and ellis island (so you can do some touristy things after the run) and great views of the city.

Chad Ochoseis
Jun 07 2009 09:20 AM

metsmarathon wrote:
...if you're looking for a good place to run, might i suggest liberty state park.


I second that. In addition to everything marathon said, it has better views of the Statue of Liberty than you can get from anywhere on the NY side.

If you're staying in NYC, it could be a bit of a hassle to get there - it involves a 5 minute train ride from the World Trade Center site to downtown Jersey City followed by a ten minute light rail trip through Jersey City.

PM me when you get to the US if you want some slow (probably 9:30 mile/6:00 km) company for the run; I live close by.

themetfairy
Jun 07 2009 10:20 AM

I ran the 10K this morning.

My previous 10K Personal Record was 1:15:02 in 2004. I'm running better now these days, so I set my sights on finishing in 70 minutes or better.

I settled into a comfortable pace and felt good throughout the run. I even felt good late in the race, even though other people had trouble (my running friend had trouble breathing today and wound up walk/running the end, and a guy who looked like a serious runner collapsed just before the 5 mile mark and was taken away in an ambulance!). I stayed with my comfortable pace, which worked out for me.

There weren't any timekeepers at the mile marks, although I did ask race marshals for the time every now and then and had an approximate handle on my time. In the end, I finished in 1:06:33. More importantly, I felt good afterwards - certainly no worse than I feel after 5K runs. And I beat people I knew for the first time in my life - my friend, a local race director, and someone I know from the gym all finished after me!

I'm a bit spent, but am generally feeling good about how I did this morning :)

metsmarathon
Jun 07 2009 10:26 AM

awesome work! congratulations!

themetfairy
Jun 07 2009 10:39 AM

Thanks mm - for the encouragement and the good advice :)

The Second Spitter
Jun 07 2009 11:30 AM

Thanks for the all the suggestions guys, I'll defintely check them out.

metfairy -- I am very happy to hear about your great result. Don't be too disappointed if your next 10k doesn't go as well. I found that after put in a great run, my next one is usually lousy, mainly because I go too hard in the beginning.

MM wrote:

running is a mental sport. and we're all insane.


This would make a great sig.

themetfairy
Jun 07 2009 11:33 AM

We'll see. I tend to stick to 5Ks for the most part, so it may be a while before I attempt this distance again.

And thanks :)

metsmarathon
Jun 07 2009 01:11 PM

Triple Dee wrote:


MM wrote:

running is a mental sport. and we're all insane.


This would make a great sig.


it was on the back of our practice shirts for a few years in college. i prolly should toss it into my sig...

themetfairy
Jun 07 2009 04:13 PM

BTW, I received a lesson about the digestive issues that long distance runners often have to deal with after races. Not fun, but I'm feeling much better now (Imodium A-D is a great thing).

metsmarathon
Jun 07 2009 07:23 PM

themetfairy wrote:
BTW, I received a lesson about the digestive issues that long distance runners often have to deal with after races. Not fun, but I'm feeling much better now (Imodium A-D is a great thing).


the real lessons are learned during the long runs! um... no pun intended...

themetfairy
Jun 08 2009 06:19 AM

Well, I do feel like I've been through a rite of passage of sorts.

And I probably didn't eat correctly in the days leading up to the 10K, or after the race for that matter. I know how to eat in order to lose weight; I don't know how to eat to run successfully. And now that my weight is down to where I want it to be, it's time for me to shift focus.

How should one eat in the two or three days leading up to a long race? How should one eat in the immediate aftermath? What are the foods that are helpful to race preparation, and what foods should be avoided?

Thanks.

The Second Spitter
Jun 08 2009 09:13 AM

Very slow burning carbs. Also you want carbs/sugar that don't release large quantities of insulin. Sweet potato (orange coloured) is my favourite pre-race food.

Pure fructose also works, but if you're drinking it as juice make sure it doesn't contain other sugars. You can regulate your insulin level with a cup of green tea pre-race, but drinking too much will have a negative effect.

The Second Spitter
Jun 08 2009 09:31 AM

MM wrote:
i can actually feel a difference when they get past 250 miles. and if i get forced into running in my shoes once they've been retired, i hate it, and it hurts me. especially if i've been walking around in them for months.


The test I was told to use is to bend the sole backwards using one finger and if it bends more than 45 degrees, it's time to get a new pair. I'm sure you'll agree, it's a great feeling when retire a pair of running shoes.

If you're staying in NYC, it could be a bit of a hassle to get there - it involves a 5 minute train ride from the World Trade Center site to downtown Jersey City followed by a ten minute light rail trip through Jersey City.

PM me when you get to the US if you want some slow (probably 9:30 mile/6:00 km) company for the run; I live close by.


I'll take you up on that offer (provided, of course, it was directed to me).

Since I have an aversion to public transport, how much is a cab ride from Central Park to Liberty Park going at these days?

themetfairy
Jun 08 2009 11:29 AM

Triple Dee wrote:
Very slow burning carbs. Also you want carbs/sugar that don't release large quantities of insulin. Sweet potato (orange coloured) is my favourite pre-race food.

Pure fructose also works, but if you're drinking it as juice make sure it doesn't contain other sugars. You can regulate your insulin level with a cup of green tea pre-race, but drinking too much will have a negative effect.


I like sweet potatoes.

What other examples of slow burning carbs can you give me?

Thanks.

metsmarathon
Jun 08 2009 11:42 AM

i'm not terribly scientific in my pre-race meals. typically, before a marathon, i'll have a bagel, often with poppy or sesame seeds, and cream cheese, and a cup of coffee, preferably a large cup 'cos its friggin early! i'll probably also have a powerbar or clif bar, or the like, and some gatorade. then just before the start, i'll down a gu, and take one every 5 miles.

leading up to the race, i typically go with high protein, low bulk foods, like tasty salmon with rice on the side. i avoid shellfish the days before, and eggs the morning of a long run. generally, since i'm in training mode for the 18 weeks prior to a big race, my meals leading up to the race are similar to what i've been eating all throughout hte training, so i'm not running on any new or different fuel, and generally know how my body handles it.

if i felt like being more scientific, i'd actually log what i eat and when and how that affects the outcomes of my training runs, but that's way too much work for me. at this point, i just go with what feels right. and during cross country, i developed the bagel with cream cheese habit, and added in the coffee bit post collegiate. and when i started running really well, i also had started getting a nice salmon ceasar salad the nights before, and that seemed like a good idea to stick with.

i've never been big on pasta the night before a race. two nights before, yes, but night of, nope. that's when i stock up on protein. i can't recall if i read that somewhere as being a good idea, but its what i do.

themetfairy
Jun 08 2009 12:07 PM

Thanks mm.

Pasta - good a couple of days before.
Salmon - good
Rice - good
Bagels - good

I had eaten more carbs than usual before the race. I'm thinking that maybe the Boca Burgers in my salad on Saturday may not have sat well, though. I'm also wondering whether it was a mistake to eat yogurt after the race.

Energy-wise I felt fine on Sunday. I'm just hoping to avoid after-race digestion issues in the future.

metsmarathon
Jun 08 2009 12:34 PM

post race i typically go for an omelet, often a western with lots of cheese, and bacon on the side. also more coffee.

i think i've seen/had yogurts in the post-race bonanzae following some of my larger races, so i don't necessarily think they'd be terrible.

other things i've seen include blueberry muffins, pound cakes, oranges and bananas and apples a plenty, and good old fashioned soda pop. sometimes, there's nothing better after a long hard run than a nice can of coca cola. or pepsi, for that matter.

themetfairy
Jun 08 2009 02:53 PM

OK - I'll try again with yogurt.

None of this has ever been an issue after a 5K. Or a 10K before yesterday.

I guess I'm looking to make sure I didn't do anything wrong in my pre or post-race activities that led to the bad digestive reaction.

OTOH, considering that my friend had breathing trouble in the second half of the race and that someone actually collapsed, perhaps my digestive woes were simply the result of running a long race hard on a warm, humid day.

DocTee
Jun 08 2009 05:10 PM

So I've started running (again). During the school year, I lead a pretty sedentary life, but want to be more active. Here's my chance.

Two weeks ago I began with a leisurely 10 minute mile. My hope was to build endurance, then work on speed. I figured if I could add a minute or so each day, then I'd be fine. As of today, I'm at 28 minutes over a 2.8 mile distance. No land-speed records to be sure, but even at my best a few years back, I was doing 5K in 28:12 so I am not too far off that blistering pace (stop snikckering).

Once I get to 5K distance (this week), I'll work on speeding up. I have no idea if this is a good strategy, but it got me off the couch so at least it's doing something. I'd like to get to the half-marathon by Labor Day (I thought the SF marahon was then, but it's about six weeks earlier and I have no shot at being ready by then). Once the fall term starts, I'm joining the campus running team to prevent any back-sliding.

themetfairy
Jun 08 2009 05:11 PM

Nice work Doc!

And no snickering from me - you still have me beat by several minutes.

Chad Ochoseis
Jun 08 2009 06:43 PM

Triple Dee wrote:

If you're staying in NYC, it could be a bit of a hassle to get there - it involves a 5 minute train ride from the World Trade Center site to downtown Jersey City followed by a ten minute light rail trip through Jersey City.

PM me when you get to the US if you want some slow (probably 9:30 mile/6:00 km) company for the run; I live close by.


I'll take you up on that offer (provided, of course, it was directed to me).


Yep, directed at you. Of course, anyone who already lives in the US and wants some running company in Jersey City can send over a PM, also.


Triple Dee wrote:
Since I have an aversion to public transport, how much is a cab ride from Central Park to Liberty Park going at these days?


Not cheap. I've paid for a private car service from Manhattan to Jersey City exactly once in my life, and it was something around $55, plus $10 tip and tunnel toll of $8. A regular yellow cab probably wouldn't be any less.

If you're visiting NYC, you may want to start liking public transportation. Daytime traffic in Manhattan is rather ugly, and the subways are quicker than cabs much of the time.

The Second Spitter
Jun 16 2009 07:17 AM

Thanks for the info. I'll definitely take you up on the offer. I'll PM you when I get Stateside.

Farmer Ted
Jun 16 2009 01:53 PM

A month after getting my Mizuno Wave 8s, I have now developed five small blisters. I have never, ever blistered on my feet. Off to Fleet Feet I went over the weekend. Three days into my Asics Kayano 15s and I'm loving my feet again. Paid an arm and a leg and one of my wife's arms, too, for these buggers but they're snuggy and soft.

Also an early father's day gift from Mrs. Ted, Once A Runner has been reprinted.

http://www.amazon.com/Once-Runner-John- ... 0915297019

Awesome book.

metsmarathon
Jun 16 2009 03:57 PM

i liked the kayano's i had back a while. a little more arch than i need/want, plus all that technology in the rearfoot that's useless to me, but very nice and comfy. also cool looking, which is often important.

themetfairy
Jun 16 2009 04:45 PM

Shoes that fit well make all the difference in the world - enjoy yours (as well as the book - let us know what you think after you read it)!

Farmer Ted
Jun 17 2009 09:15 AM

Once a Runner is a must. Must I say.

themetfairy
Jun 17 2009 10:14 AM

Farmer Ted wrote:
Once a Runner is a must. Must I say.


Tell us why.

metsmarathon
Jun 19 2009 07:10 AM

so i've finally admitted to myself that i've been running with a strained quad for the past month and a half.... its been bothering me when i start running, and when i've finished, but i could run through it. the only downside is that it would feel fatigued early relative to the rest of me. i've been able to do some good speed work despite it, and obviously my pace for the races i've run this past month and a half hasn't been hampered.

but as i near the official start of my marathon training, i've allowed myself to consider that indeed i may be injured right now, and its definitely not going to work itself out and get better without causing a decrease in my mileage. and of course, i've determined that running slower causes it more hurt.

so i've taken the past week and a half off, and will take next week off as well.

i want to enter into my training plan as healthy and fit as possible, as i'm going to be kicking my ass with this plan. i figure without taking time off, i'll probably break down around september and have to shut it down completely. what sucks is... what's been killing me in past new york marathons has been running up, and then down, the queensboro bridge. and my quads are what do all that work. so i need them to be healthy for the race, and also so that i can increase the amount of hills i encounter in my training. which makes this a very frustrating circumstance. hopefully two weeks is enough to heal the muscle from what feels very much like a persistent bruise.

in the mean time, antiinflammatories and ice packs and jr watkins apothecary liniment will become my best friends and constant companions as i allow my leg to heal.

and then, come july, i start running again.

goddamn, i am a fragile, delicate flower aren't i?

themetfairy
Jun 19 2009 07:45 AM

Not fragile - just prudent. It sounds like a good plan.

BTW, where do you find the JR Watkins liniment? I've looked for it, but haven't seen it locally.

m.e.t.b.o.t.
Jun 19 2009 08:30 AM

m.e.t.b.o.t. has been working on an impression of avi.

metsmarathon
Jun 19 2009 08:32 AM

silly little robot with his non sequitur comments!



walgreens is i think the only place i've seen it. specifically, walgreens in berkeley township. haven't seen it in any CVS's, and haven't checked any rite aid's, and i don't know of any other walgreens. but i know its there.

be forewarned. once you open that bottle, keep it vertical. it does not seal well enough to tip over and not leak out.

Chad Ochoseis
Jun 19 2009 08:33 AM

I'm getting a great picture of m.e.t.b.o.t. out for a quick jog.

Hope the leg heals, marathon. If the CPF injury rate keeps up like this, we're going to have to call in subs from a Buffalo Bisons board.

themetfairy
Jun 23 2009 01:27 PM

I'm running a 5K tonight. I'm not expecting much from myself - I usually don't run as well at night as I do in the morning, if memory serves this course has a lot of uphill running, and I have a slightly sore right glute. But I'll give it a shot and see how it goes - perhaps I'll surprise myself.

themetfairy
Jun 23 2009 08:11 PM

The 5K went well. It was warm and humid, but not horribly hot. I finished the first mile in 9:49, which was great, but the route had a lot of uphill running, and I couldn't keep up that pace. Still, I finished the race in 32:19, which was my second best 5K ever.

The glute didn't bother me during the race, although it tightened up a little bit on the drive home. But overall I'm feeling good about the run.

metsmarathon
Jun 23 2009 08:39 PM

huh... most people think of tight glutes as a benefit of running...

themetfairy
Jun 23 2009 08:41 PM

Maybe it's a hammy then. But there's something back there that's tight in a not good way. Not debilitating - just annoying.

Fman99
Jun 23 2009 09:15 PM

I envy those of you who are able to run for fitness. I would love to be able to do it but between a plantar's wart on my right foot and arthritis pain in my ankles, knees and hip, I just can't do it.

At this point I'd be happy to be able to do 30 minutes on an elliptical. Hopefully I can work some of these issues out this summer and be back in the gym in a few weeks. The plantar's wart is what's slowing me down most right now... I am really gimping around these days.

themetfairy
Jun 23 2009 09:18 PM

Feel better Fman - that has to be frustrating!

metsmarathon
Jun 24 2009 01:14 PM

themetfairy wrote:
Maybe it's a hammy then. But there's something back there that's tight in a not good way. Not debilitating - just annoying.


i was just trying for a funny that failed. if its the back of the thigh, its a hammy. if its a butt muscle, its a glute.

themetfairy
Jun 24 2009 01:22 PM

No worries.

Whatever it is, it's not as tight today as it was post-race. I think I can avoid a trip to the DL (unlike most of the Mets....).

Rockin' Doc
Jun 24 2009 08:29 PM

metfairy -"Maybe it's a hammy then. But there's something back there that's tight in a not good way. Not debilitating - just annoying."

Whatever you do, don't seek a diagnosis and treatment from the Mets medical staff. They're not at their best when dealing with hamstrings and other leg injuries.

themetfairy
Jun 24 2009 08:37 PM

I'm staying away from that crew, believe me. I'd fear they'd amputate first, ask questions later....

DocTee
Jun 26 2009 09:31 PM

Five weeks after my first run (1 mile), I'm up to 4 and feel like I can go for ten tomorrow. Want to do a half-marathon in early October.

themetfairy
Jun 27 2009 06:15 AM

Very cool Doc - best of luck to you!

Farmer Ted
Jun 29 2009 10:09 AM

Took a side jaunt from a business trip and attended the US Track & Field championships in Eugene, OR this past weekend. I can't say enough about Hayward Field and the incredible showing by the athletes. I finally witnessed a sub 10-second 100 meter dash.

I had the opportunity to run on Pre's Trail. It's a fantastic trail with soft dirt and wood chips that takes you through Alton Baker Park with a semi-wilderness feel. I could have run on that thing all day. There was absolutely no pretense on the course, with world-class runners sharing the trail with a nobody like me and happily giving a morning greeting.

Got my picture taken with Kara Goucher. Sweet.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jun 29 2009 10:11 AM

Was that hot pole vaulting chick there?

Farmer Ted
Jun 29 2009 10:25 AM

Top three women pole vaulters, Jenn Stuczynski, Chelsea Johnson, and Stacy Dragila. All with a certain amount of yumminess.

themetfairy
Jun 29 2009 11:55 AM

Very nice Ted :)

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jun 29 2009 11:55 AM

Farmer Ted wrote:
Top three women pole vaulters, Jenn Stuczynski, Chelsea Johnson, and Stacy Dragila. All with a certain amount of yumminess.


I am thinking, lecherously, of Allison Stokke.

Look her up!

Frayed Knot
Jun 29 2009 12:22 PM

Farmer Ted wrote:
Took a side jaunt from a business trip and attended the US Track & Field championships in Eugene, OR this past weekend. I can't say enough about Hayward Field and the incredible showing by the athletes. I finally witnessed a sub 10-second 100 meter dash.

I had the opportunity to run on Pre's Trail. It's a fantastic trail with soft dirt and wood chips that takes you through Alton Baker Park with a semi-wilderness feel. I could have run on that thing all day. There was absolutely no pretense on the course, with world-class runners sharing the trail with a nobody like me and happily giving a morning greeting..


Coolio.

Hayward Field and Bill Bowerman's program out at U-Oregon was the mecca of distance running back when the east coast track establishment treated anything more than a mile or two as disposable events only done by those weirdo west-coast hippies.

'Without Limits' is, IMO, the better of the two biopics done on Prefontaine. A number of scenes are filmed at Hayward and on those trails with Donald Sutherland as coach Bowerman and Billy Crudup as 'Pre'

Farmer Ted
Jun 29 2009 12:44 PM

The resemblance of Crudup to Pre is creepy.

Two HS kids were sitting next to me. They were playing HOT or NOT HOT. I quietly played along as they looked up the names in the program and guessed if they were HOT. They would then look around and find the female athlete. It was funny that 25 years separated us but I found myself agreeing with the HOT picks. Lauren Fleshman, middle distance, and Grace Upshaw, long jump, were also atop the HOT list.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jun 29 2009 12:48 PM

Grace Upshaw. Now there's a broad to jump.

themetfairy
Jun 29 2009 01:04 PM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Grace Upshaw. Now there's a broad to jump.



It looks like you're going to get sand in uncomfortable places if you try....

Frayed Knot
Jun 29 2009 02:12 PM

Farmer Ted wrote:
The resemblance of Crudup to Pre is creepy.


And he resisted saying; "I AM A GOLDEN GOD" throughout the whole movie ... even though it sounds like something the real Pre would have said.




It looks like you're going to get sand in uncomfortable places if you try....


Worth it.

Swan Swan H
Jun 29 2009 03:10 PM

It looks like you're going to get sand in uncomfortable places if you try....


What... like the back of a Volkswagen?

bmfc1
Jun 29 2009 04:27 PM

Question for my running friends... I've been getting dehydrated during my runs and I run out of gas. I've tried to drink more before I start but I find that if I have a sip or two of water during a run, I do better. Other than hoping someone is standing by the side of a road to hand me a dixie cup with water and holding a water bottle, do you have any ideas on how to hydrate during a run?

themetfairy
Jun 29 2009 04:39 PM

Unless I'm running an organized race with water stations, I usually wear a fanny pack with a slot for a water bottle, and bring along a sports bottle to sip while running.

metsmarathon
Jun 29 2009 07:41 PM

are you wearing cotton shirts/shorts?

if you are, well, shame on you, and step into the 21st century with its fancy technical fibers! looser, lighter, wicking clothes are always a good thing.

i have a waist pack that carries a single water bottle vertically, made by nike. i've had it a few years.

a quick perusal of assorted sites shows me that most waist packs carry the bottle on an angle, which is supposed to be better as it makes it easier to grab, and yeilds less sloshing. but mine fits well, which is important, so i've no need to find a new one yet.

if im going for a long run, (8-10 miles and up), i'll usually bring it along, and plan to have a few sips every two miles. if its really hot, or im running really far, there are several water fountains around my lake that i can stop at during a long run to refill it if needed.

i highly recommend a waist pack if you're getting dehydrated during your runs. i'll warn you though - finding the right one can be like finding the right pair of earphones for running - you never can tell just what works for you until you really get to use it. so don't go too nuts on the cost of the first one.

http://www.runningwarehouse.com/catpage-hydration.html

here's a link with a number of products. if i were to randomly choose which one i would be most likely to buy off hte internet, i'd prolly go with the nathan trek hydration pack, as it looks like it might be the most comfortable based on one single picture. but the best thing is to find a running store near you and if you have trouble figuring out what would work best for you, ask the staff what they use/recommend. try one on, jump around (or get on a treadmill if they have one in the store), and see if you can get it to not bounce around and still be comfortable without digging into your skin. (i generally run with my shirt over it)

but please... don't call it a fanny pack!

themetfairy
Jun 29 2009 07:46 PM

metsmarathon wrote:


but please... don't call it a fanny pack!


Sorry....

metsmarathon
Jun 29 2009 07:49 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 29 2009 07:50 PM

on a semi-related note, today marks day one of my official training for new york city '09. so far, i'm 100% right on track.

monday is always a rest day (or at least cross training). and having run zero miles today, i have followed it to a t.

for those curious, or interested in following along at home, here's my training plan, courtesy of hal higdon's intermediate II training schedule:

Marathon 09

metsmarathon
Jun 29 2009 07:49 PM

themetfairy wrote:


but please... don't call it a fanny pack!


Sorry....


:)

bmfc1
Jun 30 2009 05:20 AM

Thank you metsmarathon and TMF.

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Farmer Ted
Jun 30 2009 04:17 PM

Fleshman and Goucher featured.

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themetfairy
Jul 04 2009 08:00 AM

I celebrated Independence Day by running the Revolutionary Run 5K (as opposed to the 10K and 1 mile runs also held there this morning) in 31:48 - my second fastest 5K ever. This on the ground where George Washington amassed and addressed his troops before crossing the Delaware. A beautiful and historic way to celebrate the holiday.

DocTee
Jul 04 2009 09:14 AM

Excellent! Far better to run on this symbolic day, than the one when GW actually crossed the ice-choked Delaware, since you'd probably not be bale to feel your appendages if you ran in late December.

themetfairy
Jul 04 2009 09:29 AM

LOL Doc - true :)

Actually, every year on Christmas Day they re-enact General Washington addressing his troops on the shore of the Delaware. Then they cross to the NJ side in boats, weather permitting. It's a very cool event to witness.

But this was far superior weather for a run.

themetfairy
Jul 09 2009 07:46 PM

D-Dad and I ran a 5K this evening. I generally don't do my best at night, but D-Dad set a good pace and I'm competitive enough to want to keep up. In the end I finished in 31:04, missing my Personal Best by two seconds! D-Dad tired a little in the third mile, but finished right behind me.

This is how we looked before the race (I wouldn't have wanted to see what I looked like afterward) -

Farmer Ted
Jul 10 2009 02:09 PM

Smart of you to draft off him.

The Second Spitter
Jul 14 2009 01:08 AM

I ran 12km in Central Park this morning in 1:03 something -- not sure what my 10km split was (will check when I connect my watch to my computer) but could well be a PB, which incidentally was set at the Bois de Boulogne two years and two days to the day.

This is remarkable considering I've been engaging is some, erm, dubious health practices lately and I put on a fair bit of weight while I was in Greece.* Maybe I was just inspired by the scenery, seeing the Mets win two in a row, or the girl I was trying to keep up with.

*People usually eat dinner at 11pm in Greece and they have the greatest ice cream I ever eaten anywhere in the world.

themetfairy
Jul 14 2009 07:01 AM

WTG 3D!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 14 2009 07:08 AM

Triple Dee wrote:
Maybe I was just inspired by the scenery, seeing the Mets win two in a row, or the girl I was trying to keep up with.


Aren't the first and third the same?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 17 2009 08:38 PM

Came off the DL tonight after exactly seven weeks on the sidelines with Achilles tendonitis.

A little sore still but not you-better-stop-now soreness. Did 4 miles, faster than I thought I would, but a driving thunderstorm might have contributed too.

If I ice and stretch a lot I hope I can get regular again, because I must have gained 5 pounds of blubber since operation shutdown began.

metsmarathon
Jul 17 2009 10:06 PM

Glad to hear you're off the DL! Remember to take it easy for the next few weeks to avoid reinjury! The avoiding reinjury thing is the part of recovery that I always have the hardest time with

Also... 7 weeks off and you only put on 5 pounds? Shit, I do that with only two weeks of downtime!

themetfairy
Jul 18 2009 08:15 AM

Welcome back Lunchie :)

cooby
Jul 18 2009 04:00 PM

Metfairy, I am sure you have mentioned this in this long and wonderful thread (which makes me jealous so that is why I don't read it) but since you have lost weight have your times improved?

themetfairy
Jul 18 2009 05:28 PM

Yes - substantially. I've taken 7-8 minutes off of my 5K time in the past year.

Tomorrow I'm running a 5K that I ran a year ago, which will give me a better idea of just how much faster I am now.

themetfairy
Jul 19 2009 10:25 AM

themetfairy wrote:
Yes - substantially. I've taken 7-8 minutes off of my 5K time in the past year.

Tomorrow I'm running a 5K that I ran a year ago, which will give me a better idea of just how much faster I am now.


I have my answer. I am A LOT faster than I was before I lost the weight.

Today I ran a 5K. I ran the same course a year ago. Granted, today the weather conditions were better; I remember last year's run taking place on a hot day. Still, I finished the course last year in 39:34 - no great shakes.

Today I started out fast, wanting to take advantage of the course's downhill slope in the first mile (and knowing I'd be struggling uphill with that same slope on the return). I just kept remembering marathon's advise about reminding myself that I could run fast, and I kept on plugging. At the first mile I knew I was doing well, and I was still going strong at the end of the second mile. I forgot to wear my racing watch, so I wasn't sure how much the incline at the end slowed me down. But I finished the race in 30:29 - nine minutes faster than last year, and a new Personal Best!

I figured that I earned the (small) slice of pizza and Rita's Water Ice that I ate at the post-race spread :)

cooby
Jul 19 2009 04:21 PM

WOW!

themetfairy
Jul 19 2009 04:59 PM

Thanks cooby :)

metsmarathon
Jul 19 2009 08:54 PM

wow, nice work!

themetfairy
Jul 19 2009 09:04 PM

Thanks mm :)

metsguyinmichigan
Jul 19 2009 10:29 PM

Way to go!

themetfairy
Jul 20 2009 06:10 AM

Thanks michigan.

I'm not even feeling the effects too badly this morning. I'm a little stiff, but basically fine :)

bmfc1
Jul 24 2009 08:52 AM

To MM and TMF: thanks for the advice on hydration. I ended up buying a Nathan's Quickdraw Plus:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000KB ... oh_product

As recommended, I went to a real live store and tried out different models. I didn't like having something on my hip so I got one that I can grip. I like it a lot and barely notice it on my runs.

themetfairy
Jul 24 2009 09:56 AM

Very nice - enjoy it :)

metsmarathon
Jul 26 2009 10:00 PM

yeah, so downing 2 nice greasy cheeseburgers two hours before a 13 mile run isnt such a good idea, or so i've learned....

i got 4 miles in pretty well, was feeling good. and then it was as if my body said "woah... wait a minute... you want me to do what now? oh hell no!"

never quite hit the wall so early in a run. still finished the darned thing, but it took me about 15 minutes longer than i wanted...

the real problem was that we were out late last night, so we got up late, and instead of running at noon, i figured i'd run in the afternoon. so i go out shopping 'cos i wanted to make burgers and we were all out of 'em. i come back to the house, toss hte burgers on teh grill... and run out of gas. so i've gotta bring 'em inside. and i figure lets toss 'em on the broiler in the over cos that'll be much less messy than in a pan. on the grill, the grease and juices are much more free to leave the burgers. not so on the broiler. and of course, it takes longer to make them...

and of course, after downing the burgers, some thunderstorms roll thru, so i figure i should check the weather to see if there are more coming.... looked like there might've been a 2-hour window or so, so i decided to rush out to get my run in... prolly could've used about 15 more minutes to digest, hydrate, etc. but in general, it was a bad idea all around. next time i need to get in a long run after eating some burgers, i need at least three hours.

or, y'know, maybe i should skip the burgers and plan my running better.

the thunder held off, but it was darned humid. i was soaked the whole run. only after i came back home did a few raindrops come down. those would've been nice... oh well. after hardly running for most of june, july's been a high mileage month. if i stick to my proscribed runs, i think i should top 130 miles, a new high.

themetfairy
Jul 27 2009 06:27 AM

I can never run on a full stomach, so I'm impressed you ran as well as you did.

metsmarathon
Aug 08 2009 01:02 PM

sometimes i frustrate me...

so i've been piling on the mileage on my shoes and decided it was about time to buy some new ones - i'm supposed to run a total of 17 miles this weekend, and i wanted to have the new shoes for those harder/longer runs, and also hold onto the old shoes for about 25 more miles till they hit 300.

so on friday i go out, and buy a new pair of the shoes i've been running in. that night, we decide to go to visit the inlaws for the weekend. naturally, i leave the new shoes at home. also the old ones. grr. my options are to either run in my current walking around shoes, which have 300 miles of running and about half a year of walking around on them, and would therefore offer all the cushioning of running with wet cardboard strapped to my feet, or go out and buy another new pair of the same shoes. after briefly considering option A, i went with B. so i went out and got another pair.

it was a good move. i just ran my 7-mile race-pace run, and am reasonably happy with my time. did 7:47 miles, which is faster than i need for a 3:30 marathon, tho i'm trying to train for even faster. also, at the pace i'm tacking mileage onto my shoes, i'll need the second pair in about 2 months or so...

but the real reason for the backstory is this. i prefer to send my running dollars into the coffers of my local running stores- i find them to be a valuable resource, not just for me but for the running communit in general. the problem is, they don't carry the shoes i like. i have a wierd foot-biomechanics combination, so the fancy shoes dont really work for me. my preferred shoes are too basic, and most running stores don't carry them. so instead i go to the big ugly sports authorities and dicks' sporting goods of the world. the customer service there sucks, and the most they know about shoes there is the the cool people buy nikes and adidas, and the number on the box should match the number the customer just asked for. thats about it...

so my question for the cpf running community is... where do y'all buy your running shoes? also, i know we've talked about brands and such, but are we a community of over-pronators? under-pronators? flatfoots? heelstrikers or forefoot?

me, i'm a crazy mix of flatfooted forefoot-striker, which is why i have such a hard time finding the right shoe. typically, the shoes that have flat arches have a lot of stability, or motion control, which acts against the pronation, or inward rotation of the foot. since i strike at the forefoot, there's really not a lot of inward rotation going on, and the stability, if present, forces me to put extra pressure on the outside of my foot, which leads to shin problems, etc. for me. ideally, i should probably be in a cushioned shoe, but those are typically built with higher arches, and are therefore deathly painful for me. so far, the simple basic asics gel-1000 series offers just the right combination of archlessness and minimal support. (its actually a great intro to running shoe, as it can help you determine whether you do need more cushioning or more support)

so howsabout you?

i suppose, too, i could just buy shoes online, but that wouldn't really've alleviated my issues this weekend...

themetfairy
Aug 08 2009 03:17 PM

I have a wide foot, so I need to buy New Balance shoes. There's a Dick's Sporting Goods in my township, where I used to buy my shoes, but lately I've been going to the local New Balance store.

I once bought a pair online during a sale, but for the most part I like trying the shoes on first before purchasing them to make sure the fit is as it should be.

A Boy Named Seo
Aug 08 2009 06:17 PM

I read about pronation, but never bothered to check mine. I bought these couple-seasons old New Balance shoes at one of those giant shoe discount places before they all went under and have been wearing them for, shit, like 5 years now. Only been running seriously on 'em for the last year and half or so, but I'm about due.

Sorry no valid input from here.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Aug 08 2009 06:50 PM

I go to Jackrabbit on 14th street, they give you 10% off everything once you spend $100 with them which you probably do on your first trip, and they service the living shit out of you, make you feel good with whatever you buy.

I get a stability shoe though even though my left foot from time to time gets fucked up and strikes all weird, outside first, but I know that's because of an injury and not my natural stride. Knock on wood -- that problem went away once I got achilles tendonitis instead. I think in fact it sorta led to it but that's another story.

Achilles pain is still hanging around some, but I'm managing it ... Got in 2 7-milers this week fpr the first time since coming back and losing my stamina halfway through and walking home punching myself in the face, though I'm pacing about a minute per mile slower than I did before all this flared up this spring.

Farmer Ted
Aug 10 2009 02:42 PM

Mrs. Ted went to Jackrabbit and they did a good job although the kid was probably no more than 16 years old. He seemed up to snuff, tho.

Popped a gastrox last week. Not pretty. Out for a morning run and KABOOM. The second time I burst this bitch.

Finally walking OK but it may be a few weeks before I can hit the roads again. NYC marathon maybe deferred. Fuck me.

A Boy Named Seo
Aug 10 2009 04:41 PM

Farmer Ted wrote:

Popped a gastrox last week. Not pretty. Out for a morning run and KABOOM. The second time I burst this bitch.


Jeez, I thought you were talking about diarrhea. Glad it's only an injury. Hope you're feelin better soon.

themetfairy
Aug 10 2009 07:41 PM

Feel better Ted!

A Boy Named Seo
Aug 11 2009 09:09 AM

Depending on if the surf's any good today or not, I may take my first stab at 10 mi. Wish me luck.

metsmarathon
Aug 11 2009 02:07 PM

that sucks. i, too, had to refresh my memory on which one is the gastrox. turns out its the same one i always worry about for me.

good luck on the recovery. them calves is a bitch to build mileage back up upon!

Farmer Ted
Aug 11 2009 02:26 PM

Took the leg out for a rehab test drive today. No problems for an easy 1/2 mile. Oddly, the OTHER calf was tender, probably from the compensation. One. Day. At. A. Time.

A Boy Named Seo
Aug 11 2009 04:22 PM

Glad to hear you're on the mend, Ted. If I have a gastrox, it hurts right now, too. I busted out 10 miles today and stuff is now sore. Only stopped twice to pee & once to say hi to a dude I see all the time on the beach (that fella lost 80 pounds!).

I froze my ass surfing for an hour this morning & I think I would skip that next time I try a long (for me) run. But shit, man, I'm 34 years old & today I ran 10 miles for the first time. Alright, me. Gonna pass out on the beach now. Bye, all.

themetfairy
Aug 11 2009 04:50 PM

Ted - I'm glad that you're on the mend.

Seo - that is AWESOME!!!!

themetfairy
Aug 13 2009 04:48 PM

Weather permitting, I plan on doing the Emerald Nuts Midnight Run this New Year's Eve.

I reserve my right to wimp out if the weather is going to be icy or unbearably cold.

metsmarathon
Aug 13 2009 06:12 PM

ooh, i did that once! it was frrrreeezing that year. i think it was new years eve 2001 / new years 2002. so cold. so very cold.

the sparkling cider was actually a sparkling cider slushie, which is kinda cool, actually...

it was fun and all, and definitely worth doing at least once, but the biggest downside we found was the return trip. the city seemed a little extra barren at the time, and we didnt see any taxis that were in operation that night. they were prolly all around times square. we eventually made our way to the subway and took the path back to hoboken.

i don't know if driving in would be an improvement or an unimprovement, as i've never tried driving into or out of the city early on new years' morn'.

the year we did it, our special souvinir was a cool black fleece hat with the race logo.

again, very much worth doing at least once. your own logistical experiences may determine whether you attempt to do it again.

themetfairy
Aug 13 2009 06:29 PM

Thanks for the tips mm.

One logistic possibility is to stay over at a friend's apartment that night. If that doesn't work out, D-Dad and I would take the subway to Penn Station and take NJ Transit home with all the drunks.

If it's truly so very cold, I may wimp out. But I'm registered, which gives me incentive to go for it.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Aug 13 2009 06:50 PM

Almost did that one last year. I kinda like running in the cold, it keeps you going. Get a good running skullcap and gloves, and it's cake!

A Boy Named Seo
Aug 16 2009 06:10 PM

I bumped it up to 13 miles today. Pretty much it hurt the whole way. Just terrible. But I finished. Yay.

themetfairy
Aug 16 2009 07:37 PM

That's awesome Seo - WTG!

A Boy Named Seo
Aug 17 2009 01:16 AM

Thanks. I don't feel great right now, though. Including drug binges, sexual regrets, and watching "The Notebook", running 13 miles at this moment feels like one of the stupidest things I've ever done.

themetfairy
Aug 17 2009 06:11 AM

Stupid or not, as someone who has never run more than 10K, I'm impressed.

metsmarathon
Aug 24 2009 03:08 PM

crap, i missed that last week. good job seo - you've basically just run half a marathon!

myself, last night i learned two very interesting things... one, that i am not good at estimating the onset of darkness in late august in north jersey, and two, that it gets fucking dark in north jersey!

well, okay, i already knew that last one.

being busy and out of the house sunday morning, and needing to run 17 miles, i decided to run late in the day. i had figured, without checking or anything, that it's been getting dark around, say, 8:30 or so, so backing off of that i figured a start time of 6:00 pm would give me good enough light to finish my run until i got reasonably close to my house. at the last minute, i started to reconsider, and pushed up my start time to about 5:45. no sooner had i made that decision than i realized... hey, why don't i check when sundown is?

7:45.

hmm... that's not good. that means it'd be dark by 5:15 at the latest...

i briefly considered bringing along some sort of light source with me, but decided against it, as time spent searching for my blinking light meant less time running in actual lightness.

and so, off i went into the gathering gloom. but first, i left instructions to the wifey that if it gets dark, come get me - i'll be coming from down by the lake from the direction of the golf course.

so i'm running around the lake, and as i get to about 5 miles or so, i start to realize.. hey... that big ol ridge that's up there is kindof between the sun and me... and i've gotta come back this way after lapping hte lake... that'll prolly make things darker sooner. this may suck...

i keep running around the lake, and as i'm going, i'm also pondering my options - do i turn around, modify my route, or plug on? i plugged on, cos anything else would likely've resulting in my dear wifey driving all around town wondering what the hell ever happened to her foolish husband!?

i get to halfway, and the sun is just beginning to lick the top of hte ridge, wondering can i make it 12 miles, and past the more woodsy, wildernessy, bear-habitaty section of my run before it gets really dark? i figure if i get past there, then it opens up a little, get more populated, less scary, and slightly more open road, too.

i think i reached that 12 mile mark just at the official sundown time. i'd been doing pretty well in my run, too, and the threat of darkness and the terror that accompanies it were pressing me onward.

darkness starts creeping in, and is enhanced by the woods beside me, then i reach the golf course, get some more open sky, and more houses too, and suddenly it doesnt seem quite so dark. i start thinking... well... this isn't so bad... maybe if the wifey does come get me, i can keep running, only instead of heading home, i can have her meet at the ice cream shop for a slight 1/2 mile decrease in total distance. sure, there are narrow, hilly roads with overgrown greenery alongside the roadways, but i'm resillient, daring, and generally observant of oncoming traffic - i can do it!

as i passed my 5 mile mark the second time, meaning i was at about 13.5 miles in, i noticed somehting ominous. clouds of gnats. every twenty-thirty feet it seemed was another cloud of gnats. it being dark out, and me with little source of illumination, these gnat clouds were also invisible until they were a foot away. the first several proved merely to be icky. i waved at them, and they merely bounced off of me. then a cloud snuck up on me. never saw it coming. i flew right into it, my mouth was foolishly open, and i felt something tickle hte back of my throat.

i coughed. i spat. i spat again. i tried really hard, and successfully, not to hurl. i spat again. i swished my mouth out with what water i had on me. it didn't help. the gag reflex had been triggered, my focus was now shot. i stopped and walked.

there was a beach up ahead, with a water fountain. i drank from it. i refilled my water bottle. i kept going. but i wasn't running yet. my focus was so shot. i gargled some of hte water. spat it out. the tickle that had been struck in my throat was quieting down. i was no longer convinced that i must've inhaled a gnat. or at least i was trying to foster the suspicion that i hadn't. i walked to my next mile mark, about a quarter mile, before i could muster sufficient focus to continue on.

friggin gnats.

i passed through many more gnat clouds in hte next half mile. i was now breathing through my nose, which isn't great for running, for me, but it sure cut down on my liklihood of inhaling any gnats. many times, the clouds were just at leg level, and i felt countless of their number bouce off my bare legs, at least, i hoped they were bouncing off me instead of getting stuck to me...

then i saw the headlights. oh, those headlights! i was at about 14 and a half miles. i thought briefly of the run to the ice cream shop, but reconsidered it. it was fucking pitch black out now, and the gnats had weakened my reserve. 'pick me up at the bridge' i told her. i had been feeling good about the run despite the gnats, and wanted at least to finish my mile - to get 15 in. the bridge also offered a safe enough place to pull the car over, and provided the added benefit of not requiring me to climb the really big hill between me and home. it also lay between me and the ice cream shop, but isn't as big in that direction...

happily, there was a spare shirt in the car that i had left there earlier, which i donned in place of my sweat-drenched singlet.

and we got ice cream.

mmm... ice cream...

a large cookie 'n' cream shake later, and i was home, and tired. and still no less likely to willingly run in the dark in sparta. it's just way too fucking dark!

themetfairy
Aug 24 2009 03:26 PM

Eek!

Great descriptions and accounts of the run, though.

Glad you're ok. Ice cream makes everything better :)

metsmarathon
Aug 26 2009 12:47 PM

running. its kinda like heroin.

http://www.livescience.com/health/09082 ... ction.html

Researchers at Tufts University may have confirmed this addiction by showing that an intense running regimen in rats can release brain chemicals that mimic the same sense of euphoria as opiate use.

themetfairy
Aug 26 2009 01:50 PM

I can stop any time I want to (she says, as her fingers tremble uncontrollably....).

A Boy Named Seo
Aug 26 2009 02:34 PM

metsmarathon wrote:
running. its kinda like heroin.

http://www.livescience.com/health/09082 ... ction.html

Researchers at Tufts University may have confirmed this addiction by showing that an intense running regimen in rats can release brain chemicals that mimic the same sense of euphoria as opiate use.


Cool. Had lunch with a good friend of mine yesterday who's a recovering heroin addict and avid runner, and he's now a drug and alcohol counselor. He pushes exercise (and meditation) to his peeps so they still get some sensation, but without the junk, and was talking specifically to me yesterday about some of those similarities. I forwarded this article to him.

metsmarathon
Aug 29 2009 01:16 PM

ick...

i'm not sure if its overtraining, allergies, or just plain bad air, but i had a terrible time breathing during today's run!

i think perhaps the mist displaces the available oxygen, or something... or maybe there's like, mold kicking up from the excess moisture... i dunno...

my breathing was just ragged, and i couldn't pull in a good lungs-full of air. i mean, i ran four hours ago, and i still feel a little short of breath. not cool.

we'll see how tomorrow morning goes, i guess. i'm also about to take a zyrtec to see if that helps. i'm hoping, mostly, that its not a sign of overtraining, or that i'm somehow injured, as either of those would spell bad news. the overtraining is certainly a posiblity as, presuming i run my full 12 miles tomorrow, i'll have run a whopping 175 miles this month! last september, i was thrilled to have crested 100 miles for the first time. this coming september, my training plan has me almost doubling that, with about 190 miles!! so yeah, overtraining is a possibility. i'm just really hoping thats not it...

themetfairy
Aug 29 2009 03:37 PM

I'm sure it's not. The air sucks, and I've been really sinusy lately.

Feel better!

metsmarathon
Aug 30 2009 05:58 PM

well, today was a much better run... not a spectacular run, but a much better run nonetheless.

ran just under 12 miles today to bring me to 175 for the month. and i think that's 700 for the year, but i'll have to double check on monday - the official tally sheet is at work.

last september, i had to run extra one day just to top 100 miles for the first time. i finished with 101 miles.

then last november, i topped 105. that felt like a lot.

december and january were eaten by a pulled calf.

this past may, finally recovered from teh calf, i topped 115. then i had to shut down much of june cos i think i overdid it.

july saw 132 miles. and now 175 for august.

whew!

if all goes according to plan, i'll run 190 miles in september. and i'll probably be tempted at some point to try and get the extra 10 in to make an even 200, but i'll do my best to resist that urge for now.

and then, mercifully, i start to pare back the mileage in october in the hopes that it'll all have been a good training strategy for new york!

but for now, off to get some ice cream. my, uh, pregnant wife wants some. yeah.... i'll blame it on her...

A Boy Named Seo
Aug 31 2009 09:22 AM

Dude, that's insane. You're insane. Congrats.

themetfairy
Aug 31 2009 01:43 PM

Great job mm!

metsmarathon
Sep 02 2009 03:26 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

so i've figured out what part of my problem must be...

i need a new waist pack. the one i have, well, i've lost its water bottle about three times already, and am currenty using a hard plastic water bottle that seems to fit well enough. but the pack no longer wants to stay at its set fit - the straps loosen while i run. this becomes distracting as a looser pack is a bouncier pack, and a bouncier pack starts whacking the top of my ass in an uncomplimentary and distracting way with the containing water bottle, and the bouncing and the ass whacking, and the constant adjusting of the straps is totally torpedoing my concentration and focus while i'm doing my long runs.

and sure, i guess its easy enough to go out and find a new waist pack, but i've had this thing since my first marathon, and up 'till this season, i've had no complaints about it, whereas mrs.mm has gone through about five waist packs trying to find the right one for her.

so now i face an uncertain future without a constant companion and stalwart ally! sure, when i'm in a race, i really only use it to hold my gu's, and maybe a pack or two of sport beans since hydration is always provided on course, and i have a simple waist pack that can hold those that i bought at the last nyc marathon expo, and if i'm running at home, there's actually a bunch of water fountains turned on along my typical running routes that i can readily stop by during the summer, so i guess its not going to be a major impact until those water fountains get shut off for the colder weather.

ok, so maybe it won't be so bad. besides, if the weather gets cooler, my hydration needs should diminish some. i just feel like i'm going to have a hard time finding something that feels as right. well, as right as the old one used to. it sure ain't right now!

i also had a great run today at lunch. my medium-length, race pace runs on saturdays have been frustrating me, cos i haven't been running them at the pace i want to. so i decided to run today's medium length easy day kinda close to race pace, to see what happens on flatter ground and without an annoying waist pack. so i ran 9.1 miles in an hour and eleven minutes, good for a 7:54 per mile pace. and most importantly, it felt pretty good, and not like i was pushing myself too hard. so it bodes well for the future. yay.

this weekend, i have another 9 mile race pace day on saturday, followed by 19 miles on sunday. this is one of my three big-mileage weeks, coming in at 45. next week, i do 50. and then i plan on asking myself what the hell i was thinking!

themetfairy
Sep 02 2009 04:20 PM
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I'm exhausted just reading about your schedule!

WTG, and best of luck on the continued training. I hope in your travels you discover the water bottle holder of your dreams.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 10 2009 03:01 PM
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I'm done, again.

My tendonosis never really went away, it just kinda subsided in intensity and I got an OK to go again. But even if it was manageable it was a pain ... in the ass. I'd have a good day only to see it flare up again usually 24 to 48 hours after running, and then I'd have to take it easy, and then start the process all over again. It was managing me more than I was mastering it so its on to fat-ass city and self-loathing for another month or two, then maybe, I dunno. I had a tennis elbow once for a whole year, these things just heal slowly on me.

Anyway, I last ran a few weeks ago, and will pass the year anniversary of tracking runs on Map my Run. I did realize that run put me over 500 miles for the 12-month period. See you fuckers in December or something!

A Boy Named Seo
Sep 10 2009 03:22 PM
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Shit, man. Sorry to hear. Congrats on the 500-mile plateau anyway.

You gonna join a gym then or something? You could get a cheapie exercise bike on craigs list for $50 bucks and keep your cardio up anyway. Good luck, man. Heal fast.

themetfairy
Sep 10 2009 05:13 PM
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Lunchie - I had rotator cuff tendinitis last summer. My doctor put me on a regimen of either A) three ibuprofen pills three times a day or B) two naproxen sodium pills three times a day, and had me keep up with that for 2-3 weeks. It helped, and after a while the shoulder did get better.

About a month and a half ago I had the same problem with my elbow and went on the same meds program - it cleared up very quickly.

Perhaps it's worth a shot?

In any event, feel better. And WTG on the 500 miles!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 10 2009 06:21 PM
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Oh, I'm all about the IBU. And the podiatrist had me on a heavier duty antiinflammatory before that. That got some of the irritation down, but didn't really heal anything. It'll take time more than anything else.

I belong to the Y and oughta get crackalackin there, but I'm a little frustrated at this slow healing shit.

themetfairy
Sep 10 2009 07:03 PM
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Yeah, slow healing heels are frustrating. Hopefully it'll speed up for you!

metsmarathon
Sep 10 2009 09:07 PM
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a thought just popped into my head... have you ever tried a strassburg sock? they're good for plantar fasciiitis, in that they keep the plantar fascia flexed while it heals. i figure they'd also be good in keeping the achilles flexed while it heals as well. i think generally, as each of my own tendons give me shit, they heal better when they're in flexion.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 11 2009 07:42 AM
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Thanks, mm. May check that out -- my foot is usually worthless in the morning.

Edgy DC
Sep 11 2009 07:50 AM
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My heels murder me on my first walk down the steps in the morning.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 11 2009 08:47 AM
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Yup. It's not my heel but a stiff, weak achlles that doesn't allow me to push off.

So it's drag-stop, drag-stomp, drag-stomp. Wifey loves that!

Edgy DC
Sep 11 2009 08:56 AM
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Yeah, it's my achilles too. Funny, because I wake up and feel what I feel and I'm certain I'm not going to get through my workout later in the day. Even after a relatively thorough stretch, my legs feel like concrete, but five minutes into the workout, my legs feel much stronger, though still a little shaky.

I was doing 20 minutes (or a minimum 110 floors) on the climber and a two-mile run, plus light lifting, but I've had to scale it back to the run or the climb, but not both, until my knee gets a little less balky. I'm going to try to the ibuprofin cure.

metsmarathon
Sep 11 2009 02:44 PM
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y'know, i don't think i've ever used a stair climber...

themetfairy
Sep 11 2009 03:26 PM
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I tried one out at the gym yesterday.

If I get to participate in the Empire State Building Run-Up this February, that's how I plan on training for it.

metsguyinmichigan
Sep 11 2009 04:23 PM
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I'm running in a small 5K on Saturday, a fund-raiser for a local group that helps economically challenged families.

I went to pick up my registration, t-shirt and number, and was one of first people there. They were going to hand me No. 9 -- I've never seen numbers that low in a race before -- and saw that 10 was under it, which means they were giving them out in number order.

So I asked if it would be OK if I could have No. 41 instead. And they gave a funny look, but obliged.

So I'm running with the glory of Tom Seaver. I'll have to wear an unstructured Mets cap, maybe even my Seaver t-shirt instead of the official race shirt, which has long sleeves.

themetfairy
Sep 11 2009 04:52 PM
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Very cool michigan! Make sure that someone takes your picture running in the retired number :)

themetfairy
Sep 11 2009 04:57 PM
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I'm considering this half marathon at the end of the month - [url]http://www.newporthalfmarathon.com/

It's probably insane, since I've never done that distance before. But if I plan on taking it slowly and don't care whether it takes me three hours, I think I could finish it on a flat course.

Weather permitting, of course. But I'm inclined to give it a shot.

metsguyinmichigan
Sep 11 2009 05:17 PM
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A half marathon! That's 13 miles, right? Good for you!

themetfairy
Sep 11 2009 06:32 PM
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Well, we'll see whether I actually do it. But I'd like to complete one at some point. I'm aspiring towards it.

Chad Ochoseis
Sep 11 2009 08:35 PM
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Mets Guy in Michigan wrote:
They were going to hand me No. 9 -- I've never seen numbers that low in a race before -- and saw that 10 was under it, which means they were giving them out in number order.

So I asked if it would be OK if I could have No. 41 instead. And they gave a funny look, but obliged.


You got something against Omir Santos?

Frayed Knot
Sep 11 2009 08:45 PM
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Edgy DC wrote:
My heels murder me on my first walk down the steps in the morning.


Maybe you oughta try wearing flats.

metsmarathon
Sep 11 2009 09:25 PM
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oh, michigan... you never wear the shirt of the race you're in... that's just not how its done...

but the rest of the tale is cool. good luck! if the race is small enough, and they give out awards for it, maybe you'll place in your age group!

metsmarathon
Sep 11 2009 09:53 PM
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you're not giving yourself too much time to get ready for it, but with the right approach, you should be fine for the half. i'd think about running an 8 and a 10 miler in these coming weekends to build a little bit of mileage. but if you take it easy, so to speak, you'll be fine. you should have plenty of base to get through it.

we did the liberty half six years ago. the course was slightly different. i don't recall exactly how, but the start and finish were not in the same place as it is now, and some of the course through the park is different as well. i had thought we went past the science center, and not up all the way past the holland tunnel, but i'm really not sure.

it is a nice, flat course though, with awesome views of the city. its also a good section of jersey city you'll be running through - my brother lives right near the course, and a buddy at work is right there as well. i do miss running in LSP - it was our home course in college. ah, memories! our cross country team used to help out along hte course, too. not sure if they still do...

i've been wanting to run that one again myself... but not this year, sadly.... alot going on that weekend, plus a 10 and 20 miler i need to do, too, and i don't feel like running a half marathon and then figuring out how to get 7 more miles in without disrupting a race in progress!

hmm, there sure are a lot of races i'm tempted to do lately that i prolly shouldnt...

metsguyinmichigan
Sep 11 2009 10:49 PM
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metsmarathon wrote:
oh, michigan... you never wear the shirt of the race you're in... that's just not how its done...

but the rest of the tale is cool. good luck! if the race is small enough, and they give out awards for it, maybe you'll place in your age group!



Oh, shoot! NOW you tell me!

themetfairy
Sep 12 2009 05:14 AM
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Thanks marathon. I know it's not much time, but I figure that I'll take it very slowly. And thanks for confirming that it's a flat course - I can take any course slowly but surely so long as there aren't a lot of killer inclines :)

metsguyinmichigan
Sep 12 2009 10:01 AM
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Woo-hoo!!! Set a personal best time of 26.58 -- which I know is turtle-esque for real runners, but my previous best was 29:30, so I'm pretty happy with it.

Came in third in my age bracket! And the guy who was second was right in front of me. We passed each other on and off during the race.

Last half-mile was up hill, and fairly steep. Sucked out what I had left in the tank.

Naturally, I credit all this to being able to wear no. 41!

And Marathon, I followed your instruction and didn't wear the shirt, opting for a polyester shirt -- and an unstructured Mets hat, too!

themetfairy
Sep 12 2009 10:11 AM
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WTG Michigan - that is superlative!!!!

Edgy DC
Sep 12 2009 11:20 AM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
Edgy DC wrote:
My heels murder me on my first walk down the steps in the morning.


Maybe you oughta try wearing flats.


Yeah, well, you find a pair that fits me and goes with my new Minkoff purse and then we'll talk.

Frayed Knot
Sep 12 2009 02:39 PM
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Edgy DC wrote:
Edgy DC wrote:
My heels murder me on my first walk down the steps in the morning.


Maybe you oughta try wearing flats.


Yeah, well, you find a pair that fits me and goes with my new Minkoff purse and then we'll talk.


You? ... I'm the one clomping around in size twelves. Can you imagine how much trouble I have finding a pair of pumps that fits much less matches anything I own?

A Boy Named Seo
Sep 13 2009 01:13 AM
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themetfairy wrote:
Thanks marathon. I know it's not much time, but I figure that I'll take it very slowly. And thanks for confirming that it's a flat course - I can take any course slowly but surely so long as there aren't a lot of killer inclines :)


Good luck, you can do it. Do agree that it's probably good to build up some, if you haven't already. I got up between 4-6 miles per, and then went to 7 and then 8, jumped to 10 once, and then did 13. It didn't feel so crazy that way. Either way, best of luck. You'll knock it out.

And great job, MGIM. Shaving two and a half minutes off your previous best pace ain't nothin' to sneeze at.

themetfairy
Sep 13 2009 05:43 AM
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Thanks Seo. Weather permitting, I'll give it my best shot :)

themetfairy
Sep 13 2009 10:12 AM
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This morning I was the first runner to cross the finish line in the event in which I participated!

The catch is that my friend enticed me onto her team for the Heart Walk by promising that some people run the event.

I'm not sure if I was the only one running. But if there were others, they were slower than me.

So it's not like I beat anyone who was actually competing against me. But I did come in first

metsguyinmichigan
Sep 13 2009 02:35 PM
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Hey, just because the others were unaware is was a race is no reason not to claim victory!!!! Good for you!

themetfairy
Sep 16 2009 09:09 AM
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I can't run much this weekend - Rosh Hashana Saturday and Mets game on Sunday. So I decided to put in 10 miles on the treadmill this morning.

The first five were fine. Then I started slowly lowering the speed so that I could make it through the distance. It was fugly, but I finished in just over two hours (I don't know the exact time because my fucking treadmill resets after 99 minutes so I had to break up the run). I think I'm going to have to make it a point to start really slow when I run in the race in order to feel better during the second half of the course.

Not pretty, but I feel pretty confident that if I take it slowly, I can do the half marathon on the 27th.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 16 2009 09:19 AM
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metsmarathon wrote:
a thought just popped into my head... have you ever tried a strassburg sock? they're good for plantar fasciiitis, in that they keep the plantar fascia flexed while it heals. i figure they'd also be good in keeping the achilles flexed while it heals as well. i think generally, as each of my own tendons give me shit, they heal better when they're in flexion.


Dropped 44 dollars (!) on this device yesterday and wore it for the first time last night. At one point while sleeping I absentmindedly RRRRRIPPPed the velcro off, pissing off Mrs. Lunch. Will try not to let it bother me tonight.

metsmarathon
Sep 16 2009 09:45 AM
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they do take some getting used to...

i'm actually thinking of dusting mine off a bit, as i can feel the creeping onset of plantar fasciitis... should be able to fend it off and/or run through it for the most part. but still, its just one more thing to worry about!

there's a 5k this weekend in my town. its like two miles from my house, and i have to run 6 miles that day anyways, so i'm planning on running to it as a warmup, running the 5k, and then running the two miles back home as a cooldown. last year, i took 2nd in my age group. i'm skeptical that i'll be able to match that time - i'm way deeper into the distance running rabbit hole this year!

metsmarathon
Sep 19 2009 02:49 PM
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well, i was right, but also wrong. i took only third in my age group, sliding from 21st overall to 26th.

i also shaved over a minute off my time from last year, running one of my better 5ks. (to place second in my age group, i'd've had to take 4th overall in the race. i also would have had to run it in fewer than 18 minutes!) had i run this well last year, i would've placed 12th overall, and first in my age group. so, pretty good, i think. i also had like no top gear in this race. i could drop to lower gear to power up the hills, and spent most of the race in second gear, here i was working a little too hard to go as fast as i was going. i could not for the life of me open up my stride and use that tehn to increase my turnover. im gonna blame all the distance running. that and my hammies are really really tight and sore lately.

i ran the first mile in 6:54, the second in 7:08, and finished with 7:48 for the last 1.1, or thereabouts.

i think this is my favorite 5k course that i run. its a fucking killer. plus, its practically my home course, as i'm always on those roads, and can warm-up there and cool down back.

[url]http://www.mapmyrun.com/run/united-states/nj/-sparta/448290106046

some of the hilliness is masked in the mapmyrun elevation chart, but click on it anyways for some fun!

today makes me feel better about not doing the 5th ave mile next week. im not going to be able to run a sub-6 mile right now. i'll make that next year's goal. why not!

Frayed Knot
Sep 19 2009 03:32 PM
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My father used to enter a local triathlon, one of those where you could enter as an individual or a team. He and two buddies entered as a team: one swimmer, one biker, one runner.
He came back saying that they won their age group which was 'Men over age 180' (ie., three 60+ year olds).
Of course he was a bit slow to mention that they were the only entrant in their age group, but, hey, a trophy is a trophy.

themetfairy
Sep 19 2009 05:20 PM
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WTG marathon!

And LOL FK

soupcan
Sep 21 2009 10:17 AM
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I started running again about 2 months ago after not doing so regularly for years. Was biking instead, but decided to maybe try to do one of these triathlon thingies next spring.

So, all is well so far. Up to 3 miles at about an 8:00 mile pace. A couple of balky knees here and there but for the most part, I'm moving ahead.

Do any of you use the Nike/iPod Sport Kit that you stick in your shoe? I'm curious about it, but apparently its not compatible with my iPod Classic and I'd either have to get a Nano, Touch or iPhone to use the Sport Kit.

Worth it? And if so, can I use the same iTunes with a Classic and a Nano?

themetfairy
Sep 21 2009 10:33 AM
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Best of luck soup!

But I don't know about running with an iPod. I like to be able to hear traffic, etc. So for me running is my quiet/Zen time.

themetfairy
Sep 22 2009 08:52 PM
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OK - the half marathon is Sunday. I ran 10 miles last week, which was good; it taught me to take things easy out of the chute to make sure that I have enough energy to complete the course without totally dying in the process.

Meanwhile, how should I structure the next few days? I'm not going to run on Saturday, but other than that what should I be doing exercise/food-wise in the next few days?

metsmarathon
Sep 22 2009 10:53 PM
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i'd say three miles tomorrow (that being wednesday. its still tuesday where i am today) at your usual midweek pace and two miles on thursday or friday, nice and easy. basically just to keep loose.

hydrate well the next few days. maybe cut back on the hardcore partying the day or two before the race. your best bet is to eat safely on friday and definitely on saturday. don't eat anything that leaves you with an upset stomach the next day! i typically would go for some fish on friday and a pasta on saturday, or vice versa. day of a marathon, i go coffee and cream-cheesed bagel well before the run, and drink plenty of gatorade before the start. often i'll have a powerbar, too, but for a half, i'd likely skip that.

the most important thing for a big race is to not do anything new. don't eat anything you haven't eaten before - you don't want it to disagree with you! and don't wear anything you haven't worn before - you don't want things rubbing in new and unexpected places! the more you can approach the run the same way you approached your long run(s) the better. its what i always screw up with new york - i get so hyped up that i start out too fast, and don't do anything like what i did in my training runs. so reel yourself in if you feel yourself getting carried away by the moment - you'll have a happier finish and put on a better show for the crowd!

and no matter what, of course, have fun - you're running a half marathon!

metsmarathon
Sep 22 2009 11:14 PM
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soupcan wrote:
I started running again about 2 months ago after not doing so regularly for years. Was biking instead, but decided to maybe try to do one of these triathlon thingies next spring.

So, all is well so far. Up to 3 miles at about an 8:00 mile pace. A couple of balky knees here and there but for the most part, I'm moving ahead.

Do any of you use the Nike/iPod Sport Kit that you stick in your shoe? I'm curious about it, but apparently its not compatible with my iPod Classic and I'd either have to get a Nano, Touch or iPhone to use the Sport Kit.

Worth it? And if so, can I use the same iTunes with a Classic and a Nano?


i've got two minis, of differing generations, on the same itunes, but thats mostly because i just havent gotten rid of the old one yet... but itunes knows the difference between the two. i just set up different playlists for each.

the nike+ thing is kinda cool, and can be useful, but i don't really use mine cos i don't like running with music when i'm out in the real world, and if im running on a treadmill and listening to music, i really don't need the nike+ to tell my distance, pace, etc. i don't use it on compatible nikes; i have a little pouch for it that velcroes onto my shoelaces. you're supposed to calibrate it for your stride, etc, but mine was more than accurate enough for me right out of the box.

its most accurate if you're running at a consistent pace. i found on one out and back run that it thought my downhill miles were longer, and my uphill miles were shorter, than they were in real life. what i mean is that when the nike+ had told me that i ran a mile while running downhill, i had really run about 1.1ish miles. on the way back up that same hill, that same 1.1 miles was reported as 1.2 miles, or some such. the flat mile in the middle was recorded correctly. i belive it has to do with stride length.

if you can tolarate that inaccuracy (normal people should, bt i have a hangup about knowing precisely where my mile markers are). also, since i map out my runs beforehand on mapmyrun.com, and use that to log the routes and store my workouts, there's no functionality that the nike+ doesnt give me that i cant get from my watch and my mile markers. again, if you're not crazy like me, the nike+ is perfectly fine, and very useful if you don't want to have to remember whether the fourth house past the entrance to the golf course, or the tenth, was your five mile marker. also handy for knowing if your last mile was about an 8 minute pace, as opposed to whether you're last mile was a good 7:50, or a pathetic 8:10.

i'm tempted by the nike sports band watch thingy that does all the interfacing with the nike+ without needing the ipod. it looks a little ungainly, and i don't think it has all the regular sports watch functionality of my timex ironman, but its another option if you don't like running with music/headphones and think that you'd look ridiculous just running whith an ipod strapped to your arm acting solely as a data recorder...

i do hope that helped...

themetfairy
Sep 23 2009 05:37 AM
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metsmarathon wrote:
i'd say three miles tomorrow (that being wednesday. its still tuesday where i am today) at your usual midweek pace and two miles on thursday or friday, nice and easy. basically just to keep loose.

hydrate well the next few days. maybe cut back on the hardcore partying the day or two before the race. your best bet is to eat safely on friday and definitely on saturday. don't eat anything that leaves you with an upset stomach the next day! i typically would go for some fish on friday and a pasta on saturday, or vice versa. day of a marathon, i go coffee and cream-cheesed bagel well before the run, and drink plenty of gatorade before the start. often i'll have a powerbar, too, but for a half, i'd likely skip that.

the most important thing for a big race is to not do anything new. don't eat anything you haven't eaten before - you don't want it to disagree with you! and don't wear anything you haven't worn before - you don't want things rubbing in new and unexpected places! the more you can approach the run the same way you approached your long run(s) the better. its what i always screw up with new york - i get so hyped up that i start out too fast, and don't do anything like what i did in my training runs. so reel yourself in if you feel yourself getting carried away by the moment - you'll have a happier finish and put on a better show for the crowd!

and no matter what, of course, have fun - you're running a half marathon!


Thanks marathon - I'll heed your excellent advice.

I'm actually planning on doing 3.75 miles this morning, which is usually my long run of the week. I'll run shorter routes tomorrow and Friday, and do some non-running cardio on Saturday.

I did well having sushi before my Personal Best 5K in July, so I'll likely go with that Saturday night. I like the rice and protein combo.

And thanks - I'm a little nervous, but mostly excited. I like the idea of being able to say that I've done a half marathon :)

soupcan
Sep 23 2009 07:33 AM
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metsmarathon wrote:
i do hope that helped...


Very much so - I really appreciate the info. I'll probably forego it, but again thanks.

metsmarathon
Sep 23 2009 07:39 AM
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yeah, i only got the thing so i could run the breast cancer marathon in jacksonville without ever leaving my home town. (map your route with mapmyrun.com, log your run with the nike+ or a garmin, send them the info, wait a few months, think they've forgotten about you, and finally get your medal and race t-shirt in the mail)

i don't think i've used it much if at all since then... if hte nike sportband were a better running watch, i'd consider getting it and using the nike+ thingy, but i dunno about it...

soupcan
Sep 23 2009 07:46 AM
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I've got a Garmin for my bike and its clearly the most awesome device ever created.

The Second Spitter
Sep 23 2009 08:15 AM
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Did you get the 305 or 405 model? Get the cadence add-on if you find it cheap (like on eBay); it's definitely well worth it, if you're half-serious about cycling.

soupcan
Sep 23 2009 08:24 AM
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The 705 in Syracuse orange...

A Boy Named Seo
Sep 23 2009 02:46 PM
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Good luck, fairy. And welcome to the fold, soup.

I finally bought new kicks a couple few days ago. Went to a local place the iPhone "Runners World" app sent me to, and they showed me a couple things, but told me to come back with my shoes. I did the next day and they checked out my shoes (like, thoroughly), and picked a half dozen or so different models he thought would be compatible based on the way I wore and broke in my old shoe.

After he brought the different ones out, he had me try them on and then told me to go run down the street if I wanted to, to see how they felt. So I did. Like 5 times I left the store and ran down the street to the corner and back before I settled on the Nike Air Pegasus 26.

Pillows on my feet.

I will go back to that store for every last stupid running thing I ever buy again.

themetfairy
Sep 23 2009 02:51 PM
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Thanks :)

D-Dad said that there's a special smile I have whenever I try on a new pair of runners that fits really well.

Enjoy the new shoes Seo :)

The Second Spitter
Sep 24 2009 09:47 AM
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soupcan wrote:
The 705 in Syracuse orange...


I got the 305 model. It's a basically a watch with a large display, which you can strap onto your bike (as well as your wrist). It's the greatest thing since the cure for polio.

themetfairy
Sep 25 2009 09:43 AM
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I am going against marathon's advice and doing something different on Sunday. For the half marathon, I'm going to bring along my iPod. I'm normally too concerned about traffic, etc. to want to run with music, but I was concerned that my biggest enemy on Sunday would be boredom, since it's probably going to take me something like three hours to complete this course. So I'll have my music with me, to keep me pumped for the half marathon.

metsmarathon
Sep 25 2009 10:50 AM
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boo, ye violator of race rules!

:)

there should be enough going on along the course to keep you engaged, but i totally understand the concern.

oe: i assume you've run with those headphones before, right? nothing's worse than having headphones or earbuds constantly popping out of your ears!

metsmarathon
Sep 26 2009 07:53 PM
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good luck tomorrow! i'll be showing solidarity by running 20 miles also in the rain.

themetfairy
Sep 26 2009 07:58 PM
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Thanks marathon, and best of luck to you as well!

I haven't run with the earbuds, but I've walked with them. If they don't work out, I'll just throw the whole thing into my pocket. I'm willing to play it all by ear, so to speak.

I also picked up sports jellybeans today, in case I need an energy boost during the run.

Lots of experimenting going on. I'm aiming for my signature line - just to be able to say that I have finished

themetfairy
Sep 27 2009 11:33 AM
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I'm back from Jersey City.

It was a lovely route, save for the rain and clouds. I'm sure on a clear day the views of the Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island would have been incredible, but even under the conditions they were pretty damn impressive.

I kept telling myself to keep it slow. Even so, I settled into a quicker pace than I though I would, and felt good throughout the run. The iPod was a good decision - it kept me bopping along, despite the mega-puddles long route.

In the end, I finished the half marathon in 2:30:40. I would have been happy with anything under three hours, so I'm thrilled with the results.

I don't have any plans to run a full marathon, and am not really psyched about doing more half marathons (although one of my friends is trying to cajole me into doing one at Rutgers in April, and I might find myself convinced to do that one). But I am thrilled to have run one once, and to have exceeded my expectations while doing so.

Kong76
Sep 27 2009 11:38 AM
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Nice job! My back and hip hurts just thinking about
running that far.

themetfairy
Sep 27 2009 11:55 AM
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Thanks Kase :)

I'm feeling pretty good, despite the fact that my legs stiffened up on the ride home.

BTW, while I was running, D-Dad popped over to the local Modell's and picked me up a replica Sanchez jersey as a post-race gift :)

metsmarathon
Sep 27 2009 12:38 PM
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yeah, we practically had to swim through a huge puddle betweeen LSP and the rest of jersey city the year we did it. seems like you had about the same weather that we did back in '03.

congratulations on the great time! marathons (and half marathons) are like lay's potato chips. you can't run just one. you'll get talked into doing another one, or talk yourslef into it, and then you'll be hooked for good.

its, uh, what happened to me...

themetfairy
Sep 27 2009 01:22 PM
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Thanks marathon :)

Whether I run another one or not, I'm just thrilled that I ran one and finished it in a reasonable time :)

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 27 2009 09:11 PM
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Way to go.

themetfairy
Sep 28 2009 07:13 AM
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Thanks :)

themetfairy
Sep 29 2009 07:48 AM
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BTW, are half marathons a new phenomenon? I don't recall hearing much about them until very recently, and suddenly there seem to be a lot of them.

Unless it's just that I'm now attuned to them because it's suddenly an attainable distance.

The Second Spitter
Sep 29 2009 08:17 AM
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themetfairy wrote:
BTW, are half marathons a new phenomenon? I don't recall hearing much about them until very recently, and suddenly there seem to be a lot of them.

Unless it's just that I'm now attuned to them because it's suddenly an attainable distance.


Not really new, they've been around since the 70s (if not earlier);but in recent years they have become more fashionable;

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/24/fashi ... tness.html

I am amazed to read how much your running has evolved, mf - I seem to recall you saying something like you'd be sticking to 5k's not that long ago. Well done.

themetfairy
Sep 29 2009 08:46 AM
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Thanks 3D, for the article and the encouragement :)

It was an interesting progression over the last year. I ran more in order to lose weight, and as I lost weight I started running faster.

A year ago I had difficulty finishing a 5K just after I started Weight Watchers. If you told me that day that I would run a half marathon exactly one year later, I would have laughed in your face.

__________

marathon - how did your 20 miles go?

metsmarathon
Sep 29 2009 03:01 PM
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i rocked my 20 miles in 3 hours, 2 minutes. two weeks ago, i had run it in 3:15.

i basically ran the first 17 miles very consistently, knocking each one of htem off in about 8:30 or thereabouts. some were a bit faster, but none were too much slower. after mile 17, the big giant hill home happens. essentially, within about 1.5 miles, i go from about an elevation of 730' to 1025', and its a pretty continuous slog. well, that's not true - there are about two 1/4 mile stretches there that are flat, so the whole thing is even steeper than it sounds. there's one 200m stretch that mapmyrun.com reports as a 9% grade, another stretch immediately following that shows up as a 6% grade, and 600m of 5% grade. once i reach to summit, there's a mile of rollercoastering, and i'm home. a great way to finish a distance run... i slowed up a bit over the final three miles.

but i ran the whole thing with an average pace of exactly 9 minutes. considering the hills and that this capped my second 50 mile week, i'm really really happy with the time.

i've been trying out a new thing with my long runs, too. i've decided that i'm going to try to run the long runs without bringing too much liquid with me. there are a handful of water fountains along the way that i can stop at if need be, and i leave a gatorade bottle along the course, midway up the aforementioned big hill. i drop it off before mile 2, come back for mile 10, and pick it up to bring home after mile 18. (yeah, my 20 mile loop has me climb halfway up that big hill at the midpoint, then back down the other side for another loop of the lake.) basically, i was tired of having to worry about wearing a waist pack with a water bottle - the bouncing of which i figured was messing with my concentration, and sapping my focus on long runs. i also figured i was too tied to the water bottle and stopping to use it too frequently. so lately i've just been running with a smaller, lighter, less obtrusive waist pack with three gu gel packs (one every six miles). and it seems to work. i mean, its no longer the middle of summer, so i don't need to worry as much about dehydration, and i'm better simulating race conditions, where i'm planning on running past as many water stops as i can, only slowing to grab water for dousing.

it seems to be working. i'm carying less with me, obviously, so i feel lighter, and run more easily. and i don't have to worry about constantly readjusting any straps on a waist pack, so i can just zone out if i want to, and keep plugging along. also, by not stopping as much, i'm preparing myself for how i actually end up running new york - in the past, despite training to include walk breaks every mile (corresponding with the water stops), i always end up running straight thru most of brooklyn anyways. and that always screws me up in the end. so now, i'm prepared for it.

i've also started correlating parts of my hills route with less hilly, somewhat analogous sections of the marathon course. i'm hoping that gives me a mental edge come the big day.

this weekend i've got a great test of how my training is coming along. i'll be running hte army ten-miler in DC. obviously, if i don't run it in less than 80 minutes, my chances of running the marathon at an 8 minute pace are shot. i'm hoping i can go sufficiently below 75 minutes. i'll be limited, of course, by the fact that i'm hardly feeling fresh right now. but we'll see how it goes...

themetfairy
Sep 29 2009 03:06 PM
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I'm in awe mm - that's marvelous!

Best of luck in DC, and in the Marathon.

metsmarathon
Sep 30 2009 03:31 PM
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man i go through sneakers quickly...

i bought my current pair in early august, when the previous pair still had about 30 miles or so left on them. today, i logged their 300th mile, so its time for new sneakers. and boy could i tell! today, it felt like the soles were made of old cardboard - i felt every surface feature of the road, with no cushioning.

today, i also ran my 195th mile this month. its just over a month till new york, and i'm really looking forward to my three-week taper....

themetfairy
Sep 30 2009 03:33 PM
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I know I said it before, and recently. But I am in awe of you mm.

Farmer Ted
Oct 01 2009 03:31 PM
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Torn calf muscle almost as good as new. Unfortunately, no gas in the tank. Deferred my NYC Marathon entry today. I'll be there next year, fo sho.

themetfairy
Oct 01 2009 03:41 PM
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Sorry to hear that Ted :(

I hope to run with you next year....

Meanwhile, I just registered for my second half marathon. This one will take place at Freakin' Rutgers - https://www.cgiracing.com/unite/RegisterNow.aspx

metsmarathon
Oct 01 2009 08:46 PM
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sorry to hear you won't be there, but its good that your calf is healing. do try and do a better job of that than jose has been doing!

i'm fairly certain i will not be trying to get into next year's NYC, but we'll see. i'm thinking of using next year to freshen up for a run at boston, depending, of course, on how well i do this year...

also, i need to let the wifey be able to run some long runs, too. so while she's doing that, i'll be saddled with the kid :p perhaps literally, now that i think about it...

and i knew we'd sucker you into joining us in our perpetual folly, metfairy! mwuhahahaha!!!

metsmarathon
Oct 04 2009 07:35 PM
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that went well. going in i had been saying that i wanted to run the army ten-miler in 75 or fewer minutes. i'm happy to report that, but for a quick stop at a bush a quarter of a mile in, i have met that goal.

my net time in the race was about 75 minutes and 15 seconds, or about a 7:31 pace for the whole thing. which basically means that i ran my second and third fastest 5-miler back to back, or the rather other way around. my second half was, i think, a wee bit faster than the first.

the course was nice and mostly flat, save one small hill at just after 2 miles, and the last two miles had sneaky hills in the form of a few ramps crossing back over the potomac and heading back to the pentagon. for most of the race, i wasn't really paying too much attention to the scenery, but there were good views of the capitol, the mall, and some of the presidential monuments to be had.

i'm pretty happy with the race overall. my legs felt pretty heavy, as i had expected. but i wasn't gassed at the finish. so, fresh, i'm feeling pretty confident that i'd be able to carry on a slightly slower pace for two and a half times as long. well, that's my hope, anyways.

this week coming up only holds 48 miles of running for me, and then i can, mercifully, begin my taper.

themetfairy
Oct 04 2009 07:40 PM
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WTG marathon - very impressive!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 04 2009 07:47 PM
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Sizzlin.

A Boy Named Seo
Oct 05 2009 07:02 PM
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Did 13 and change today again. The first 10mi were pretty ok, but the last 3 were killer. Still about 10 min faster than the last time I did the same route, which means I was goddamn Ssloooow last time. My charity 5k is comin up in 2 weeks, so 3 mi feels like nuttin after the longer runs.

Ps if any of youse have a buck or two you'd like to kick the direction of some wonderful homeless kids, feel free to login and sponsor your pal Jake.

I am the defending champ, and if you click the link you can see a picture of yours truly (my ass anyway) streaking home towards my salacious rendezvous with lady victory last year.

http://www.firstgiving.com/sow

thanks.

themetfairy
Oct 05 2009 07:09 PM
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Yup - after a half marathon, 5K suddenly seems like chump change ;)

Best of luck Seo - I'm sure you'll do great!

DocTee
Oct 05 2009 08:53 PM
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Ever hear of these? http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 19E4P0.DTL


When you see them coming at you on the sidewalk, 10 toes flexing, it looks as if the runner forgot to put shoes on - or the wind surfer is chasing after a board. Or someone stepped in wet paint and is trying to run it off.


The one thing this primitive footwear won't be mistaken for is what it is - the trend in running shoes. Called FiveFingers, these thin, rubber foot gloves are made by Vibram, the Italian company best known for the hard rubber soles on hiking boots. They cost $75 to $85 a pair, less than the standard running shoe, and that's not counting the savings on socks.

"I'm wearing a pair right now," says ultra runner Gillian Robinson, when she answers the telephone at her store ZombieRunner on California Avenue in Palo Alto. ZombieRunner first stocked FiveFingers several months ago and sold out its stock of 50 pairs in two days, "which is a record for any kind of product," says Robinson, 43. The second shipment of 50 had a waiting list, and when it arrived last month, people were lined up, shoes and socks in hand.

The shoes sold out in four days. There is now a third waiting list with 80 names on it.

"At this point, I've seen a thousand naked feet from fitting these shoes," Robinson says. "We're just trying to keep up with demand."

The demand is being created by a popular theory that all these complicated and cushioned running shoes, accessorized with orthotics and insoles, do more harm than good to your stride, and they don't protect your feet or knees. The most natural running gait is barefoot, the theory goes, and the closest you can get to that without wearing through the soles of your feet is with FiveFingers.

"Moving back to our evolutionary form is supposed to be good for us, fewer injuries," says Evan Kodoni, 20, a former distance runner at Piedmont High School who is now a junior at UCLA, where he wears the FiveFingers to run, to drive, to walk in water, to restaurants, and to class, withstanding the comparison to gorilla feet.

"It's very protective, but you have that feeling of going barefoot," he says. "The idea is that instead of the shoe doing the work for your foot, the foot does the work."

Kodoni learned this about a year ago when he first tried FiveFingers. His heels took a pounding and his calves were sore the next day. He was doing what most of us do when running or power walking - leaning back and hitting the pavement heel first, a mild form of truckin' like the Grateful Dead's do-dah man. Try truckin' in FiveFingers and you'll be up on the balls of your feet soon enough, adherents believe.

"You're using muscles and parts of your feet that you don't normally use when you have shoes on," says Evan's dad, Kei Kodoni, a co-owner of Transports, a running and swimming store in Berkeley and Oakland. "You're using your own running form to cushion the shock."

One of the gurus of this theory is Christopher McDougall, who wrote a book called "Born to Run" about a tribe of barefoot runners in Mexico. In September, McDougall gave a clinic at ZombieRunner, two sessions of 30 people each.

"Everybody either had FiveFingers on or they bought them that day," says Robinson, who has scheduled another barefoot clinic Oct. 17 ( www.zombierunner.com.) "They get these things on and stand up and their feet tend to straighten out right away."

Robinson has seen FiveFingers being worn for yoga and martial arts and as shopping shoes at the farmers' market. Brian Learn, 33, of Piedmont wears them for weight-lifting and CrossFit training. His advice is to start out by wearing them around the house, advice he wishes he'd followed.

"It's a slow transition. There is a big change in the muscle use," says Learn, who trains at LaLanne Fitness. "I was sore for two weeks but (since then) I haven't put on a pair of sneakers in four months."



Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... z0T7X7jyO8

metsmarathon
Oct 05 2009 09:28 PM
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nice work seo! its fun the kind of perspective running a longer distance affords you.

...

i've been looking at those vibrams for a while now. i actually bought a pair of the nike free shoes a few years ago, but never really got into wearing them because they were so godawfully ugly. i also was somewhat injured at the time and had to focus more on building distance than modifying my form or other somesuch. i did wear them a bit, and they seemed a little uncomfortable the way they shaped hte outsole. the execution was very much different from teh vibrams, but the idea was about the same - mimic barefoot running as much as possible.

as far as form goes, and all that, i think i'm fairly close to their stated ideal as it is. i basically use my shoes for the forefoot cushioning. i like hte laces loose enough that i never have to untie the shoes, which means tehy're really not doing too much in the way of shaping my foot or guiding or anything like that. plus if i tied them any tighter, my feet would scream bloody murder, and i'd never make it a mile, but thats somewhat a different story. i only tie them tight enough that my foot doesnt totally swim on footstrike.

my footstrike is all forefoot - if i'm even close to right, my heel never touches the ground unless i'm actively trying to reduce stress on my calf (as in i can feel a cramp or pull coming but want to keep going anyways - its not a normal occurrence by any stretch).

if my plan holds true and i don't have to worry about marathon training for most or all of next year, i'll probably give them a try early, and see what happens. i'm a little leery of the lack of cushioning and what that could do to my tender knees and their tendinitisy tendons, but if they really are all tehy're cracked up to be, they should help, right? and if they don't, well, i'll probably be able to tell relatively quickly without doing too much damage. i wonder how they compare to traditional runners in terms of breakdown... can they last 300 miles on a 200lb-er? can they last longer?

metsmarathon
Oct 13 2009 08:43 AM
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yesterday was a good day. a very good day. well, from a running sense - its not like i cured cancer, or taught a child to love to read, or converted a misguided yankee fan.

on saturday, i had a terrible run. simply awful. worse still, it had me concerned about whether or not i'd actually be able to run new york. i had a busy morning, a big lunch, and too much gatorade. as i started my run, i could feel the gatorade sloshing around. not good for what was supposed to be a race-pace 10-mile day. i figured i'd take it easy for the first mile, give my stomach a chance to catch up on its digesting and what not.

no such luck. i ended up feeling awful the whole run, with a consistent reflux-y feeling in my throat. naturally, my focus was all off. so the race pace thing was shot to hell. but i figured i could at least get in the mileage, and also do some scouting to see if the portajohns that are conveniently spaced around my lake during the summer were still in place - important research for my 20 miler planned for the next day!

well, i get to the first beach, and there's nothing there. cleaned up. no portajohn. oh well. its not being there, of course, made me realize just how much coffee, water, and gatorade i'd had to that point. awesome. i hoped there'd be one at the next beach... two miles later... also empty. damn. i run by. i'm still a bit pukey from having drank too much water, and i also have to pee. what fun. have i mentioned that my head just isn't in this run? oh, and there's that hill coming up. great.

i get to the top of the hill, and realizing just how defocused i am, i walk a bit. and hey.... my calf is a little tight. let me stretch it out, rub it a bit. see if it gets happier.

it didn't. at that point, i was at six miles in. the next four miles consisted of me cursing and nursing my calf, which now had me worried a bit. it was really sore. like if i were to run naturally on it, i felt like i could pull it kindof sore. and, of course, i still have some more hills to go. i think the only good that came of my last 4 miles was finding the remains of a crew putting in a gas line about two miles from home. there was a portajohn there. it made me happy. one less thing on my mind, i tried to at least coast a bit to finish my run. nope. my head was gone. more importantly, i couldn't keep my calf happy. so i finished hte run with a mix of running and walking.

that night i iced. a lot. i dind't like going up stairs or anything, and the calf was really sore.

happily, i had monday off, so i could move my 20-miler back a day. the calf didn't feel much better on sunday, either. if it stays tight, there's no way i can run on it. at least not at the pace i want to.

but come monday, it felt pretty good. i decided to go for the 20 miles. i wasn't really sure if it would make it, and half expected it to give out after about five miles. happily, that would not be the case. it actually gave me no trouble through the entire run. i wasn't consciously nursing it, or adjusting my stride to take some of the strain off of it - i needed to test it, afterall!

the run went pretty well overall. i decided about halfway through that i would try to stretch it to 21 miles if i felt strong. i think after about 17 miles, i was starting to feel really gassed. i started running at 3pm, and only had coffee, a pair of buttered bagels, and a granola bar to that point in the day. but my legs were fine, and strong enough. the big hill at 18 miles was a tough slog, but at the top, i decided to go for it and add on that extra mile. it's a flat mile. i finished the run feeling pretty exhausted, but strong, if that makes sense. normally at the end of a long run the muscles in my legs will start misfiring, a little at first to get my attention, then enough to totally throw off my stride. in the marathon, this usually leads to them turning to jello at about mile 22. or in new york, mile 16, sigh... but not at the end of the 21 miles.

i ran it in 3:20, for about a 9:18 pace. two weeks ago, i ran basically the same 20 miles in a 9:00 pace. normally, retrograde progress like that would make me upset, but i'm really just happy that my calf made it through unscathed. the run overall was terribly unfocused, as my head was more in the clouds than usual. i was too busy thinking ahead to the joy of tapering, i think, as well as ruminating about what my next marathonly challenge may be, pending the outcome of new york, instead of locking my eyes on some imaginary point on the horizon ahead of me. but i'll take it.

if my calf acted up, i'd be deeply concerned about the marathon. total rest is the last thing i need right now (i'm fairly certain). i need to get looser, and lighter of foot and leg. and i feel like i'm in good shape to do that, much moreso than i felt on saturday. so while yesterday's run wasn't great, it was awesome.

(watch me go out and blow out my calf today...)

themetfairy
Oct 13 2009 09:15 AM
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Very cool marathon. And best of luck in New York!

A Boy Named Seo
Oct 13 2009 11:03 AM
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Great job, man. Hope your wonky calf holds up.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 13 2009 11:24 AM
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Great job. We'll let you know ahead of time our exact location along the route this year so you won't miss us.

A Boy Named Seo
Oct 18 2009 09:03 PM
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Shaved a full 2 minutes off my time from last year's race and finished at 24:32 this year. There was 50-some odd people and a couple jackrabbits blew me away immediately, so my improved time got me a 6th place finish instead of my accustomed, rightful 1st place. I will from now on stick to races with the number of participants totaling less than 10, with preferably nothing but young children or very old people.

Thank you, thank you to those of you here that donated to the organization and sponsored me in the race.

themetfairy
Oct 19 2009 05:22 AM
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WTG Seo! That's excellent :)

metsmarathon
Oct 31 2009 02:58 PM
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well, its already on my facebook page, but for those who would like to see it here, below is your guide to seeing me in the new york city marathon!

basically, go online and look at the [course map] and figure out what mile you'll be nearest.

snice i'm palnning on running 8 minute miles, and will start at 9:40, its all just multiplication and addition from there on. but to help, i've made a handy chart (that may or may not show up here):



so, for instance, if you wanted to see me at, say, mile 13, you would start looking at about 11:17AM, which assumes i'm blistering along at a 7:30 pace, and you might consider that i've already run past after about 11:35AM, unless i'm struggling with an 8:30 pace or slower and will inevitably be grumpy.

themetfairy
Oct 31 2009 03:18 PM
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Best of luck man - make us proud!

bmfc1
Oct 31 2009 06:13 PM
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Good luck MM!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 01 2009 07:24 AM
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well, its already on my facebook page, but for those who would like to see it here, below is your guide to seeing me in the new york city marathon!

basically, go online and look at the [course map] and figure out what mile you'll be nearest.

snice i'm palnning on running 8 minute miles, and will start at 9:40, its all just multiplication and addition from there on. but to help, i've made a handy chart (that may or may not show up here):



so, for instance, if you wanted to see me at, say, mile 13, you would start looking at about 11:17AM, which assumes i'm blistering along at a 7:30 pace, and you might consider that i've already run past after about 11:35AM, unless i'm struggling with an 8:30 pace or slower and will inevitably be grumpy.

This chart is awesome and helpful. We'll be toasting you at mile 12!

themetfairy
Nov 01 2009 10:09 AM
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Not as impressive as what marathon is doing, but I ran a 5K today. I finished in 30:31, which is only two seconds slower than my personal best!

I figured I'd type that now while marathon is still running. Because once he posts his descriptions and accounts of the marathon, I'll be too embarrassed to post about my little run....

metsmarathon
Nov 01 2009 08:07 PM
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so, yeah, i totally screwed up, and thought you were at mile 13. naturally, i did not see y'all there. i think i was on the left side of the road at 12, too, but might've wandered into the middle of the road. i suck.

the important figure for today is that i ran a 3:53, or thereabouts. i pr'd by at least 12 minutes, and beat my fastest nyc marathon by almost 20 minutes. i also determined that, yes, indeed, i have been burnt out the past 3-4 weeks. my legs were tired before the start. more details tomorrow.

and phooey - near-pr 5ks are awesome, too! good job metfairy!

themetfairy
Nov 01 2009 08:17 PM
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LOL - thanks marathon. But your PR today totally trumps my little run. WTG!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 01 2009 10:07 PM
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metsmarathon wrote:
so, yeah, i totally screwed up, and thought you were at mile 13. naturally, i did not see y'all there. i think i was on the left side of the road at 12, too, but might've wandered into the middle of the road. i suck.

the important figure for today is that i ran a 3:53, or thereabouts. i pr'd by at least 12 minutes, and beat my fastest nyc marathon by almost 20 minutes. i also determined that, yes, indeed, i have been burnt out the past 3-4 weeks. my legs were tired before the start. more details tomorrow.

and phooey - near-pr 5ks are awesome, too! good job metfairy!


Oh well. We were afraid we missed you behind the neon signs & British flags held by our (British) friends, in the event you saw those. We were also blasting AC/DC out of the window most of the morning in case you recall that.

Good job. I also set a PR for bacon eaten.

metsmarathon
Nov 02 2009 05:13 AM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
so, yeah, i totally screwed up, and thought you were at mile 13. naturally, i did not see y'all there. i think i was on the left side of the road at 12, too, but might've wandered into the middle of the road. i suck.

the important figure for today is that i ran a 3:53, or thereabouts. i pr'd by at least 12 minutes, and beat my fastest nyc marathon by almost 20 minutes. i also determined that, yes, indeed, i have been burnt out the past 3-4 weeks. my legs were tired before the start. more details tomorrow.

and phooey - near-pr 5ks are awesome, too! good job metfairy!


Oh well. We were afraid we missed you behind the neon signs & British flags held by our (British) friends, in the event you saw those. We were also blasting AC/DC out of the window most of the morning in case you recall that.

Good job. I also set a PR for bacon eaten.


the AC/DC i do remember. next time i run new york, i'll do a better job.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 02 2009 07:15 AM
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Our crowd:


Here come the chix. Paula was a favorite of my crowd but like Jose Reyes she had problem with a hamstring behind her knee and won;t run again till next year.


Guys. The USA guy on the left was the winner. I predict everyone wears those sleeves next year.


Everyone:


From the AC/DC Control Room, only the walkers left:

metsmarathon
Nov 02 2009 12:37 PM
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it'd be pretty cool if i was in that "everyone" picture...

Centerfield
Nov 02 2009 12:54 PM
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Congrats marathon.

That really is something else.

8 minute miles is faster than I drive.

metsmarathon
Nov 06 2009 12:34 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux



So, this is the story of my NYC marathon. to familiarize y'all with my convention here, the blue line is a 7:30 pace, which is the fastest i could have expected to run any significant part of the race. the red line is an 8:30 pace, which i had set as an upper limit for what i'd be happy with at the beginning of my training. my goal was to run it at an 8:00 pace.

the dotted blue line is what i had planned on running the race in. basically, cruising through the first 6 miles, pushing for the next six until i got to the pulaski bridge. then, taking it easy up that and again up the dastardly queensboro, and cruising again up first avenue, into and out of the bronx, and finally slowing down once i started coming back up that sneaky hill on 5th avenue and through central park.

a month ago, i thought i'd be able to maintain that plan, especially after running the army ten miler in 75 minutes without really pushing too hard. i had figured that with a good taper, and fresh legs, i could easily reel off the first ten miles in 78 minutes or so, and still be really fresh. problem is, my legs never got fresh. i think i had too many little bumps along the way early in teh year, that when i piled on the mileage in the training, the foundation was a bit weak. i figured that was the risk of my plan - either run an awesome race, or get really burnt out. oh well!

so anyways, the yellow line is my actual per-mile pace, except for a few spots where i forgot to hit the button on my watch. and the orange line represents my cumulative pace.

so what you see is that i never really could go as fast as i wanted to. those 8:15s early in brooklyn weren't as easy as i needed them to be, which signaled how the rest of the run would go. but i accepted them, and wanting to stick with my overall strategy, didn't push it - i wanted to conserve my energy for later. in the past i always burnt myself out in the first 6 miles, and i was not going to do that again! mile 7 comes around, and i decide to see if i could indeed push it. i accelerated to a 7:30 pace, which felt pretty good, but i couldn't maintain it. not with the hill and crowds at 8. i had one more push at 10, but that was it. my legs were already getting tired.

at that point, knowing the two bridges were waiting for me, i pulled back a bit, and tried to conserve energy. i obliviously ran past the lunchbuckets while enjoying the AC/DC - they shook me all night long - and started looking for them a mile too late. disappointedly, i ascended the pulaski bridge, and approached my nemesis. this year, the queensboro was not my undoing. i took a nice easy sub-9:00 mile up it, walked for a bit, and came down, remembering that the down-leg was what had punished my quads in the past.

turning onto 1st avenue, seeing the crowd, i had hoped for more of a boost, but again, my legs were fading. they weren't shutting down like they did last year at this point, but they were just getting more and more tired.

the bronx was a long slog, as always. and while its always nice to leave, it just means you're that much closer to the last big sneaky hill.

now, the two previous times i'd run new york (not counting the time i ran with mrs.mm), my return to great island of manhattan was a time of great pain and suffering. ordinarily, my muscles would be misfiring up a storm - my calves would be twitching with nearly every step, or the muscles on the inside of my quad, or my hamstring, and it would be evident in my now-faltering stride. as a muscle would misfire, i'd jerk the leg, getting it down on the ground, and shuffle the next stride, then test it out again on the third. eventually, i'd be walking by the marcus garvey memorial park between 124th and 120th. but not this year. i was slowing, sure, but i was still running. shuffling a bit, but definitely running.

then i got to the north end of the park, and i think my least favorite part of the race. the spectators are starting to thicken, but the course starts going up. you don't notice it at first, and might not notice it at all if you weren't running a marathon, but its a hill. a sneaky, long, painful hill. and i hate it. here, i walked. i was forced to. see, at mile 22, i started getting the first of many cramps. oddly, it was my forearm, from carrying a little disposable camera through the race. but coming up the hill, just after passing the 23rd mile marker, my legs finally had had just about enough. still no misfiring, just plain old fashioned cramping. i think i could've dealt with it, except the little muscle on the front of my right shin started giving me crap, too. that was the signal to start walking up this hill.

i didn't walk all of it, but i certainly walked enough of it. the 12-minute mile is proof of that fact. but the crowd is always super-supportive at this point. they know you're hurting, and they want to see you keep going. reaching the top of this hill, and making the turn into the park, is a glorious accomplishment. now, finally, it feels like the finish is... just... over... there...

granted, there's couple of ugly hills in the park, too. my mom and father-in-law, who had been following me around all day, seeing me at 8 miles but missing me at 17 (they thought for sure i had gone through already - they left just before i got there!) were waiting at mile 24 for some final encouragement. i paused and handed off my waist pack which had dutifully carried my gu's and a few candies. asked by my mom, "how do you feel?" i enthusiastically responded "terrible!" and, flashing a smile, continued on with my struggle. at the next hill, i had to stop for about 30 seconds to massage a burgeoning cramp in my left leg.

i ran the last mile and a half from there. i couldn't wait to exit the park and return to the raucous crowd along central park south. i covered the last 1.2 miles in 12 minutes, bouncing back nicely from the hills, and the last incline up to the finish didn't faze me one bit! as i approached the finish line, i heard an announcer say that, while some scrub-wearing runners were starting to finish, they still hadn't seen anthony edwards, and i yelled "goooose!" apparently, so did everyone along the race course...

i crossed the line, somewhat triumphantly, got my medal, my mylar space blanket, and my food bag, then made my way to the baggage trucks and the park exit.

...

of course, the day very nearly didn't go well at all!

you see, at the staging area in fort wadsworth on staten island, there are several "athlete villages" set up. there's an orange village, a green village, and a blue village. the start of the race is split up into these three groups that each take a unique path over the bridge and for the first 8 miles through brooklyn. and the race uses a wave start, where the fasted third of the runners start in the first wave, the middle third is in the second wave, which goes off 20 minutes later, and the final third after yet another 20 minutes. i was in teh first wave.

so i get to the athletes village. and in the village there are several announcements being made over loudspeakers, in english, french, german, spanish, and, i think, japanese. the announcement i hear most often is that the baggage trucks close up proptly at 9:30. i also hear an announcement, maybe at 8:45, that the corrals for the first wave were opening. what i don't think i ever heard were what time the corrals for the first wave would be closing. so at 9:05, i'd just dropped off my bag and had begin making my way to the orange corral.

and then i hear, "it is now 9:05. the corrals for the first wave have closed. if you are not in the corral, you will have to wait for the next wave." and i start running. and so do many other runners who also had never heard any such announcement regarding the closing time for the corrals! finally, i get to the orange corral, and there are several runners trying to cajole the race volunteers into allowing them through the gates.

other runners are vaulting a temporary 6' chain link fence.

i'm weighing my options.

one runner tries to push his way through the gate. a volunteer pulls him aside, and yells to another volunteer "get his number - he's disqualified!"

they see a guy climb the fence "you, you're disqualified! give me your number!"

i consider the alternatives. can i sneak in somehow? should i wait? is tehre another, friendlier gate?

if i miss this start, my mom and father-in-law will have wasted their time coming into the city and running around all over the place and will never see me. they'll assume they lost me in teh crowd, and will leave the 8 mile well before i ever get there. they'll do the same for the 17 mile. and not knowing anything of my fate, will probably not see me at 24 miles either. and i would have no way of communicating with them - telling them what happened and how to adjust their plans. and i'd be running with a slower crowd, too, which would probably screw up my race plan.

ten feet back from the gate, there's a line of porta potties along the fence. and there's both a a gap between the porta-potties and the fence, and between two portapotties. one guy goes over unnoticed. then another. i make up my mind - i'm joining them. i climb up atop the fence. i'm nearly 200 lbs. the fence has little support. it sways back what feels like 2 feet, but might only've been one. i steady myself, and swing my leg over, preparing to slide down along the back of the porta-potty. another runner takes to teh fence, and i kick out my left leg for balance, feeling a twinge in my quad.

i dismount the fence, safely on the inside of the corral, but curse myself that, "damnit, did i just pull my fucking quad?" i was worried that it would bite me later in the race. thankfully, it would not. my left quad was about the only muscle in my legs that didn't give me crap during the race... inside the corral, i asked another fence-jumper if he ever heard them announce a closing time for the corral. he had not.

at this point, with me safely mixed amongst the crowd, teh race volunteers had become wise to our spot, and clamped it down. they'd softened, though, and were offering transgressors the option of staying and being DQ'd, or leaving hte corral unpunished to wait for the next wave (or to try again to sneak in).

needless to say, i'm annoyed it went down that way. i swear i never once heard an announcement of 9:05, but heard countless 9:30's. i really didn't need to climb the fence and risk injury or disqualification, i guess, but i felt a principled right to that corral, and an obligation to my fans. some of whom i missed anyway.

...

in the end, i'm happy with how i ran. i stuck to my race strategy, as far as overall approach to the course if not meeting my pace goals. given that i spent the first four months of the year actively recovering from a pair of calf pulls, and most of june resting soreness deep in my right quad, and then piled on almost 600 miles of running in teh next four months, i can accept that my legs were probably burnt out a month ago, and just couldn't bounce back in time for a fresh marathon. i made it through a grueling training plan, and am already looking forward to making my next leap forward in time.

i beat my previous PR for new york by 20 minutes, and ran my fastest marathon by 12 minutes. not bad for my legs being tired at the start!

i'm already sketching out a two-year plan for my next marathoning goal. we'll see how that one goes. lets just say, i need to get a lot faster still!

metsmarathon
Nov 06 2009 07:59 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

holy crap, that's a lot of text!

themetfairy
Nov 06 2009 08:16 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Excellent descriptions and accounts of the race. WTG marathon!

A Boy Named Seo
Nov 13 2009 10:17 PM
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Not sure if this has been covered before, but I started having some blister problems, and got these socks on my bro's recommendation and they're just wonderful. $10 bucks a pair at REI, but the best $10 bucks I've ever spent.

http://www.wrightsock.com/running.html

A Boy Named Seo
Nov 13 2009 10:19 PM
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2 other things:

FIrstly, mm - I think I already told you on FB, but you sir, are goddamn incredible.

And two - JCL, how's yer wonky wheel? Any chance you can get back out there soon?

metsmarathon
Nov 14 2009 09:00 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

ooh, i hate thin running socks.

not because i need the cushioning, but because i actually need the friction between my socks and shoes. without the friction, my toes slam forward on each step, and i get extra shock transferred up my legs into my knees. but i'm just a weird flat-footed forefoot-striking runner.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 14 2009 01:20 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

A Boy Named Seo wrote:
2 other things:

FIrstly, mm - I think I already told you on FB, but you sir, are goddamn incredible.

And two - JCL, how's yer wonky wheel? Any chance you can get back out there soon?


Still on the DL and getting fatter every day. Wearing the Strassburg sock at night has definitely improved my a.m. mobility, which I think led to the strain in the first place, but a small spot of tenderness is still making a home in the achilles right at the ankle.

I had a tendon problem in my elbow once that hung around for a year but that eventually went away, and this sort of feels like that, a persisent, slow healer. Back on the road in... January?

Fman99
Nov 14 2009 01:29 PM
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My intention is to run a 5k race in 2010.

My arthritis has improved, thanks to some new medication and my plantar warts are mostly gone. To the point that by springtime I will be ready to start running outside. I even mapped out some typical jaunts I could take in my neighborhood that are all between .5 and 1.5 miles (drove them and marked the distance out with my trip odometer) so that I could know what kind of distances I am handling.

For the winter I will stay with the gym. Just too cold and cruddy to want to run in the snow in Syracuse all winter.

themetfairy
Nov 14 2009 03:00 PM
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Best of luck getting off the DL to JCL and Fman!

metsmarathon
Nov 14 2009 03:08 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

the DL sucks! heal quickly, and heal well.

soupcan
Nov 15 2009 04:56 PM
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Anybody have a problem with numbness in your feet?

It seems if I'm either on the elliptical machine or running - after 10-15 minutes, the balls of my feet and toes get numb. If I'm riding my bike it takes longer but the same thing happens. I can continue on with it for a good while but if I'm on the bike for hours it begins to actually get painful.

Anybody?

themetfairy
Nov 15 2009 05:56 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Not me.

How well do your running shoes fit?

metsmarathon
Nov 15 2009 06:29 PM
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every now and again, my index and middle toes on one foot will start to go numb during a run. not sure if i ever was able to correlate it to a shoe/sock combination, but its definitely happened to me before.

actually, i think last year, it started to happen to me after i switched from one pair of shoes to a newer pair of the same shoes. swapping the insoles fixed it, and i don't think its happened consistently since then, but in that case, my socks were actually managing to bunch under those two toes, effectively restricting circulation. the numbness had happened before sporadically, and has happened since, also sporadically, but with those shoes and those insoles, it was a consistent thing. after switching the insoles for a while - walking in the new ones, and running in the old ones - for a week or two, i swapped em back, and all was better. the problem never resurfaced.

soupcan
Nov 15 2009 07:29 PM
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My shoes seem to fit fine and I'm thinking its an insole problem as well.

It happened first on the bike and my cycling shoes have always been very comfortable. Then it started happening on the elliptical no matter which shoes I was wearing, and it happens when I run.

Should I see a foot doctor you think or maybe just the old guy at the local running store?

metsmarathon
Nov 15 2009 08:40 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

the old guy at the running store is not a bad place to start...

Fman99
Nov 16 2009 08:14 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

While it is a small step, I am proud to say that instead of my usual elliptical/crosstrainer/walking on incline routine at the gym I was able to jog on a treadmill at a moderate (for me) pace of 4.3 MPH, for 30 minutes, and I'm no worse for wear. Today, anyway.

I have been going regularly to the gym, to burn calories, for the last two years or so, but mostly have not been able to jog or run due to the impact on my joints. It occurred to me today to slow it down a bit and try again.

My goal is to gradually get up to higher speeds and run a 30 minute 5k race in 2010. Encouraged by today's results, my other goal now is also to run TEN 5k races in 2010.

Going to go to the local runners' place on Wednesday and invest in a better pair of running shoes, that I get fitted for, as well as some reflective outside running attire of some kind.

themetfairy
Nov 16 2009 08:34 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

WTG Fman - that's great!

Best of luck with your early New Year's resolution :)

themetfairy
Nov 17 2009 05:59 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux



So, this is the story of my NYC marathon. to familiarize y'all with my convention here, the blue line is a 7:30 pace, which is the fastest i could have expected to run any significant part of the race. the red line is an 8:30 pace, which i had set as an upper limit for what i'd be happy with at the beginning of my training. my goal was to run it at an 8:00 pace.

the dotted blue line is what i had planned on running the race in. basically, cruising through the first 6 miles, pushing for the next six until i got to the pulaski bridge. then, taking it easy up that and again up the dastardly queensboro, and cruising again up first avenue, into and out of the bronx, and finally slowing down once i started coming back up that sneaky hill on 5th avenue and through central park.

a month ago, i thought i'd be able to maintain that plan, especially after running the army ten miler in 75 minutes without really pushing too hard. i had figured that with a good taper, and fresh legs, i could easily reel off the first ten miles in 78 minutes or so, and still be really fresh. problem is, my legs never got fresh. i think i had too many little bumps along the way early in teh year, that when i piled on the mileage in the training, the foundation was a bit weak. i figured that was the risk of my plan - either run an awesome race, or get really burnt out. oh well!

so anyways, the yellow line is my actual per-mile pace, except for a few spots where i forgot to hit the button on my watch. and the orange line represents my cumulative pace.

so what you see is that i never really could go as fast as i wanted to. those 8:15s early in brooklyn weren't as easy as i needed them to be, which signaled how the rest of the run would go. but i accepted them, and wanting to stick with my overall strategy, didn't push it - i wanted to conserve my energy for later. in the past i always burnt myself out in the first 6 miles, and i was not going to do that again! mile 7 comes around, and i decide to see if i could indeed push it. i accelerated to a 7:30 pace, which felt pretty good, but i couldn't maintain it. not with the hill and crowds at 8. i had one more push at 10, but that was it. my legs were already getting tired.

at that point, knowing the two bridges were waiting for me, i pulled back a bit, and tried to conserve energy. i obliviously ran past the lunchbuckets while enjoying the AC/DC - they shook me all night long - and started looking for them a mile too late. disappointedly, i ascended the pulaski bridge, and approached my nemesis. this year, the queensboro was not my undoing. i took a nice easy sub-9:00 mile up it, walked for a bit, and came down, remembering that the down-leg was what had punished my quads in the past.

turning onto 1st avenue, seeing the crowd, i had hoped for more of a boost, but again, my legs were fading. they weren't shutting down like they did last year at this point, but they were just getting more and more tired.

the bronx was a long slog, as always. and while its always nice to leave, it just means you're that much closer to the last big sneaky hill.

now, the two previous times i'd run new york (not counting the time i ran with mrs.mm), my return to great island of manhattan was a time of great pain and suffering. ordinarily, my muscles would be misfiring up a storm - my calves would be twitching with nearly every step, or the muscles on the inside of my quad, or my hamstring, and it would be evident in my now-faltering stride. as a muscle would misfire, i'd jerk the leg, getting it down on the ground, and shuffle the next stride, then test it out again on the third. eventually, i'd be walking by the marcus garvey memorial park between 124th and 120th. but not this year. i was slowing, sure, but i was still running. shuffling a bit, but definitely running.

then i got to the north end of the park, and i think my least favorite part of the race. the spectators are starting to thicken, but the course starts going up. you don't notice it at first, and might not notice it at all if you weren't running a marathon, but its a hill. a sneaky, long, painful hill. and i hate it. here, i walked. i was forced to. see, at mile 22, i started getting the first of many cramps. oddly, it was my forearm, from carrying a little disposable camera through the race. but coming up the hill, just after passing the 23rd mile marker, my legs finally had had just about enough. still no misfiring, just plain old fashioned cramping. i think i could've dealt with it, except the little muscle on the front of my right shin started giving me crap, too. that was the signal to start walking up this hill.

i didn't walk all of it, but i certainly walked enough of it. the 12-minute mile is proof of that fact. but the crowd is always super-supportive at this point. they know you're hurting, and they want to see you keep going. reaching the top of this hill, and making the turn into the park, is a glorious accomplishment. now, finally, it feels like the finish is... just... over... there...

granted, there's couple of ugly hills in the park, too. my mom and father-in-law, who had been following me around all day, seeing me at 8 miles but missing me at 17 (they thought for sure i had gone through already - they left just before i got there!) were waiting at mile 24 for some final encouragement. i paused and handed off my waist pack which had dutifully carried my gu's and a few candies. asked by my mom, "how do you feel?" i enthusiastically responded "terrible!" and, flashing a smile, continued on with my struggle. at the next hill, i had to stop for about 30 seconds to massage a burgeoning cramp in my left leg.

i ran the last mile and a half from there. i couldn't wait to exit the park and return to the raucous crowd along central park south. i covered the last 1.2 miles in 12 minutes, bouncing back nicely from the hills, and the last incline up to the finish didn't faze me one bit! as i approached the finish line, i heard an announcer say that, while some scrub-wearing runners were starting to finish, they still hadn't seen anthony edwards, and i yelled "goooose!" apparently, so did everyone along the race course...

i crossed the line, somewhat triumphantly, got my medal, my mylar space blanket, and my food bag, then made my way to the baggage trucks and the park exit.

...

of course, the day very nearly didn't go well at all!

you see, at the staging area in fort wadsworth on staten island, there are several "athlete villages" set up. there's an orange village, a green village, and a blue village. the start of the race is split up into these three groups that each take a unique path over the bridge and for the first 8 miles through brooklyn. and the race uses a wave start, where the fasted third of the runners start in the first wave, the middle third is in the second wave, which goes off 20 minutes later, and the final third after yet another 20 minutes. i was in teh first wave.

so i get to the athletes village. and in the village there are several announcements being made over loudspeakers, in english, french, german, spanish, and, i think, japanese. the announcement i hear most often is that the baggage trucks close up proptly at 9:30. i also hear an announcement, maybe at 8:45, that the corrals for the first wave were opening. what i don't think i ever heard were what time the corrals for the first wave would be closing. so at 9:05, i'd just dropped off my bag and had begin making my way to the orange corral.

and then i hear, "it is now 9:05. the corrals for the first wave have closed. if you are not in the corral, you will have to wait for the next wave." and i start running. and so do many other runners who also had never heard any such announcement regarding the closing time for the corrals! finally, i get to the orange corral, and there are several runners trying to cajole the race volunteers into allowing them through the gates.

other runners are vaulting a temporary 6' chain link fence.

i'm weighing my options.

one runner tries to push his way through the gate. a volunteer pulls him aside, and yells to another volunteer "get his number - he's disqualified!"

they see a guy climb the fence "you, you're disqualified! give me your number!"

i consider the alternatives. can i sneak in somehow? should i wait? is tehre another, friendlier gate?

if i miss this start, my mom and father-in-law will have wasted their time coming into the city and running around all over the place and will never see me. they'll assume they lost me in teh crowd, and will leave the 8 mile well before i ever get there. they'll do the same for the 17 mile. and not knowing anything of my fate, will probably not see me at 24 miles either. and i would have no way of communicating with them - telling them what happened and how to adjust their plans. and i'd be running with a slower crowd, too, which would probably screw up my race plan.

ten feet back from the gate, there's a line of porta potties along the fence. and there's both a a gap between the porta-potties and the fence, and between two portapotties. one guy goes over unnoticed. then another. i make up my mind - i'm joining them. i climb up atop the fence. i'm nearly 200 lbs. the fence has little support. it sways back what feels like 2 feet, but might only've been one. i steady myself, and swing my leg over, preparing to slide down along the back of the porta-potty. another runner takes to teh fence, and i kick out my left leg for balance, feeling a twinge in my quad.

i dismount the fence, safely on the inside of the corral, but curse myself that, "damnit, did i just pull my fucking quad?" i was worried that it would bite me later in the race. thankfully, it would not. my left quad was about the only muscle in my legs that didn't give me crap during the race... inside the corral, i asked another fence-jumper if he ever heard them announce a closing time for the corral. he had not.

at this point, with me safely mixed amongst the crowd, teh race volunteers had become wise to our spot, and clamped it down. they'd softened, though, and were offering transgressors the option of staying and being DQ'd, or leaving hte corral unpunished to wait for the next wave (or to try again to sneak in).

needless to say, i'm annoyed it went down that way. i swear i never once heard an announcement of 9:05, but heard countless 9:30's. i really didn't need to climb the fence and risk injury or disqualification, i guess, but i felt a principled right to that corral, and an obligation to my fans. some of whom i missed anyway.

...

in the end, i'm happy with how i ran. i stuck to my race strategy, as far as overall approach to the course if not meeting my pace goals. given that i spent the first four months of the year actively recovering from a pair of calf pulls, and most of june resting soreness deep in my right quad, and then piled on almost 600 miles of running in teh next four months, i can accept that my legs were probably burnt out a month ago, and just couldn't bounce back in time for a fresh marathon. i made it through a grueling training plan, and am already looking forward to making my next leap forward in time.

i beat my previous PR for new york by 20 minutes, and ran my fastest marathon by 12 minutes. not bad for my legs being tired at the start!

i'm already sketching out a two-year plan for my next marathoning goal. we'll see how that one goes. lets just say, i need to get a lot faster still!



I just cut and pasted this into a Google Document. I plan on carefully studying it before next year's Marathon.

Fman99
Nov 17 2009 07:11 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Fman99 wrote:
While it is a small step, I am proud to say that instead of my usual elliptical/crosstrainer/walking on incline routine at the gym I was able to jog on a treadmill at a moderate (for me) pace of 4.3 MPH, for 30 minutes, and I'm no worse for wear. Today, anyway.

I have been going regularly to the gym, to burn calories, for the last two years or so, but mostly have not been able to jog or run due to the impact on my joints. It occurred to me today to slow it down a bit and try again.

My goal is to gradually get up to higher speeds and run a 30 minute 5k race in 2010. Encouraged by today's results, my other goal now is also to run TEN 5k races in 2010.

Going to go to the local runners' place on Wednesday and invest in a better pair of running shoes, that I get fitted for, as well as some reflective outside running attire of some kind.


A little sore in the quads and calves this morning but nothing prohibitive. Plan on doing the same routine today at the gym after work, 30 minutes at 4.3 MPH. Maybe bump up to 4.4 on Thursday.

The way I figure it, if I can get up to 6.2 MPH for 30 minutes then that would set me up for a 30 minute 5k pace, give/take. If I set my first 5k date for April, that gives me 5 months to work my way up in speed.

metsmarathon
Nov 17 2009 07:15 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

themetfairy wrote:
I just cut and pasted this into a Google Document. I plan on carefully studying it before next year's Marathon.


hopefully studying the part about climbing the fence will prove to be rather unnecessary!

metsmarathon
Nov 17 2009 07:30 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Fman99 wrote:
Fman99 wrote:
While it is a small step, I am proud to say that instead of my usual elliptical/crosstrainer/walking on incline routine at the gym I was able to jog on a treadmill at a moderate (for me) pace of 4.3 MPH, for 30 minutes, and I'm no worse for wear. Today, anyway.

I have been going regularly to the gym, to burn calories, for the last two years or so, but mostly have not been able to jog or run due to the impact on my joints. It occurred to me today to slow it down a bit and try again.

My goal is to gradually get up to higher speeds and run a 30 minute 5k race in 2010. Encouraged by today's results, my other goal now is also to run TEN 5k races in 2010.

Going to go to the local runners' place on Wednesday and invest in a better pair of running shoes, that I get fitted for, as well as some reflective outside running attire of some kind.


A little sore in the quads and calves this morning but nothing prohibitive. Plan on doing the same routine today at the gym after work, 30 minutes at 4.3 MPH. Maybe bump up to 4.4 on Thursday.

The way I figure it, if I can get up to 6.2 MPH for 30 minutes then that would set me up for a 30 minute 5k pace, give/take. If I set my first 5k date for April, that gives me 5 months to work my way up in speed.


what is this "MPH" of which you speak? (pet peeve of mine that treadmills don't speak min/mile as often as they should)

that's a great start, btw, and an even better goal.

if you find that running at the constant pace gets a bit boring or stale, i suggest mixing it up a bit as a way of pushing yourself. start out going at 4.3 MPH, and after a mile, push it to 4.4 for the next half mile, then drop back to 4.3.

themetfairy
Nov 17 2009 08:18 AM
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metsmarathon wrote:
themetfairy wrote:
I just cut and pasted this into a Google Document. I plan on carefully studying it before next year's Marathon.


hopefully studying the part about climbing the fence will prove to be rather unnecessary!


Those of us in the third wave don't have to worry about such things ;)

themetfairy
Nov 17 2009 08:19 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

metsmarathon wrote:
Fman99 wrote:
Fman99 wrote:
While it is a small step, I am proud to say that instead of my usual elliptical/crosstrainer/walking on incline routine at the gym I was able to jog on a treadmill at a moderate (for me) pace of 4.3 MPH, for 30 minutes, and I'm no worse for wear. Today, anyway.

I have been going regularly to the gym, to burn calories, for the last two years or so, but mostly have not been able to jog or run due to the impact on my joints. It occurred to me today to slow it down a bit and try again.

My goal is to gradually get up to higher speeds and run a 30 minute 5k race in 2010. Encouraged by today's results, my other goal now is also to run TEN 5k races in 2010.

Going to go to the local runners' place on Wednesday and invest in a better pair of running shoes, that I get fitted for, as well as some reflective outside running attire of some kind.


A little sore in the quads and calves this morning but nothing prohibitive. Plan on doing the same routine today at the gym after work, 30 minutes at 4.3 MPH. Maybe bump up to 4.4 on Thursday.

The way I figure it, if I can get up to 6.2 MPH for 30 minutes then that would set me up for a 30 minute 5k pace, give/take. If I set my first 5k date for April, that gives me 5 months to work my way up in speed.


what is this "MPH" of which you speak? (pet peeve of mine that treadmills don't speak min/mile as often as they should)

that's a great start, btw, and an even better goal.

if you find that running at the constant pace gets a bit boring or stale, i suggest mixing it up a bit as a way of pushing yourself. start out going at 4.3 MPH, and after a mile, push it to 4.4 for the next half mile, then drop back to 4.3.


When I'm on the treadmill, I bump it up when there's a good song on, and then scale it back afterwards.

Fman99
Nov 17 2009 10:47 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

metsmarathon wrote:
While it is a small step, I am proud to say that instead of my usual elliptical/crosstrainer/walking on incline routine at the gym I was able to jog on a treadmill at a moderate (for me) pace of 4.3 MPH, for 30 minutes, and I'm no worse for wear. Today, anyway.

I have been going regularly to the gym, to burn calories, for the last two years or so, but mostly have not been able to jog or run due to the impact on my joints. It occurred to me today to slow it down a bit and try again.

My goal is to gradually get up to higher speeds and run a 30 minute 5k race in 2010. Encouraged by today's results, my other goal now is also to run TEN 5k races in 2010.

Going to go to the local runners' place on Wednesday and invest in a better pair of running shoes, that I get fitted for, as well as some reflective outside running attire of some kind.


A little sore in the quads and calves this morning but nothing prohibitive. Plan on doing the same routine today at the gym after work, 30 minutes at 4.3 MPH. Maybe bump up to 4.4 on Thursday.

The way I figure it, if I can get up to 6.2 MPH for 30 minutes then that would set me up for a 30 minute 5k pace, give/take. If I set my first 5k date for April, that gives me 5 months to work my way up in speed.


what is this "MPH" of which you speak? (pet peeve of mine that treadmills don't speak min/mile as often as they should)

that's a great start, btw, and an even better goal.

if you find that running at the constant pace gets a bit boring or stale, i suggest mixing it up a bit as a way of pushing yourself. start out going at 4.3 MPH, and after a mile, push it to 4.4 for the next half mile, then drop back to 4.3.


Good advice, thanks MM. I considered that yesterday but didn't want to push myself too far on my first day trying to jog for 30 minutes non-stop.

The treadmills at my gym do display the minutes per mile pace (I was about 13:45 per mile, give/take) for a total of 2.15 miles over 30 minutes. Or, to put it another way, about 43 minutes for a 5k maintaining that same pace.

soupcan
Nov 17 2009 11:14 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

That's called 'walking'.

Or you're 72 years old.

metsmarathon
Nov 17 2009 11:30 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

as long as neither foot is in contact with the ground between steps, its not walking.

Fman99
Nov 17 2009 11:33 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

soupcan wrote:
That's called 'walking'.

Or you're 72 years old.


Or you're 36 and have arthritis in your ankles, knees and hip.

Don't be so quick to judge. It's insulting to people trying to overcome legitimate health issues.

soupcan
Nov 17 2009 11:35 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

My apologies - I was just kidding with you. Had no idea about your knees

Fman99
Nov 17 2009 11:41 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

soupcan wrote:
My apologies - I was just kidding with you. Had no idea about your knees


Apology accepted. There's no "sarcasm font" on these forums, thought it would be helpful sometimes if there was.

themetfairy
Nov 17 2009 12:24 PM
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FWIW, I started out very slow, and remained slow for many years. I've only recently cracked the 10 minutes per mile mark in 5K races.

If it were about speed, I would have quit ten years ago. It's about exercise, achievement, and how I feel about myself.

You're doing what you need to do Fman - more power to you!

metsmarathon
Nov 17 2009 02:46 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

themetfairy wrote:
It's about exercise, achievement, and how I feel about myself.


and that's what makes it running! (not jogging. never jogging.)

themetfairy
Nov 17 2009 02:56 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

When I started out I jogged. Now I run :)

I was actually noticing the last couple of days that my stride is a lot different now from what it used to be. It's actually a stride ;)

Fman99
Nov 17 2009 07:51 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Thirty more minutes today, same pace. Feeling pretty good, definitely some soreness in my quads but nothing that feels unnatural or painful.

Pretty happy.

themetfairy
Nov 17 2009 08:01 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Very good Fman - keep up the good work!

A Boy Named Seo
Nov 17 2009 09:50 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Hey, hey Fman. Congrats to you. All the more impressive that you're doing it around the time of year most peeps slow down. Keep it up, man.

metsmarathon
Nov 17 2009 10:47 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

A Boy Named Seo wrote:
All the more impressive that you're doing it around the time of year most peeps slow down.


ooh, ouch! i feel like that's aimed at me...

Fman99
Nov 18 2009 06:31 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

A Boy Named Seo wrote:
Hey, hey Fman. Congrats to you. All the more impressive that you're doing it around the time of year most peeps slow down. Keep it up, man.


Thanks buddy. By the time outdoor running weather returns to my neighborhood (in, say, five months or so) I should be in better shape for it.

themetfairy
Nov 18 2009 06:35 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

I love running outside, but you'll see how it works for you. D-Dad feels that the treadmill is easier on his knees.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 18 2009 07:37 AM
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Yeah, I'm an outside running guy too and enjoy it in the cold. Inside running even in Syracuse blows.

What you need is a good running scull cap and gloves, then an assortment of fruity leotards and shit. Ask at your shoe store or go on the net and they'll hook you up.

A Boy Named Seo
Nov 18 2009 09:38 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

metsmarathon wrote:
A Boy Named Seo wrote:
All the more impressive that you're doing it around the time of year most peeps slow down.


ooh, ouch! i feel like that's aimed at me...


I didn't want to come right out and say it, but yes, that was totally aimed at you. How long's it been since your last marathon anyway, metsmarathon? Sheesh.

metsmarathon
Nov 18 2009 08:42 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Yeah, I'm an outside running guy too and enjoy it in the cold. Inside running even in Syracuse blows.

What you need is a good running scull cap and gloves, then an assortment of fruity leotards and shit. Ask at your shoe store or go on the net and they'll hook you up.


go for the loose tights. tehy look way less fruity, and keep you just about every bit as warm.

like these:



also, i have a naturally toasty head. (that's what she said... um, i think...) so wearing a hat in winter is typically out for me. i go with an ear wrap / headband thing. and half the time i take that off or flip it up to cool back down.

like this:



i think we discussed gloves a year back. nike makes a good pair.

Fman99
Nov 19 2009 06:41 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Went yesterday and invested in a nice pair of running shoes. I liked the place where I went, too -- they actually get you on a treadmill and take video of your feet, make sure that they fit properly and that they help my stride.

I am already eager to go after work today and try them out. As I gradually increase my pace, I'm trying to come up with a way to get more workouts in -- though my two hours of daily commuting, plus my two year old child that wakes up around 2 AM or so nightly, makes it tough to find the extra time to get another run in.

How many days a week do you guys run? And how many times per day, just once?

themetfairy
Nov 19 2009 07:01 AM
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When I was starting out, and up until about a year ago, I ran three times a week. If I ran more than that, my knee would ache.

These days I run virtually every day (and when I don't run, I substitute some other kind of cardio). I know that's a little much. But my doctor doesn't feel that I'm running distances that are so long that daily running would hurt me, and I feel I need the cardio to keep my weight under control.

I never run more than once a day. I don't think that's good for my knees. I will often walk in the afternoon after running in the morning, but I won't run twice in one day.

BTW, I've taken on a new challenge. During my short (2-mile) treadmill runs, I've decided to bump up the incline every quarter mile. That should help me prepare for my 10K in Bermuda in January and the Marathon next year.

metsmarathon
Nov 19 2009 07:54 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

every now and again, i'll run twice in one day, but its somewhat rare. it usually only happens if i've gotta run some longish distance, but also want to run a 5k that day - i'll run the race, come home, and head out to tack on extra distance.

what i am doing, though, is running on days when i have volleyball or basketball (or in the summer, softball) after work. full court basketball, by the way, is a very difficult sport to transition to after spending a half a year training for a marathon, especially, i think, when you're a low post player.

the training plan(s) i have been using lately - [url]http://www.halhigdon.com - have me running 5 days a week, with rest days on monday and either friday or saturday. runners world has a marathon training plan that i used last year that has you run 4 days a week, and they also have written up a marathon plan that has you run only three days a week, called F.I.R.S.T. - i forget what that stands for... - its intriguing, and should leave you well rested, but i think its not necessarily a good idea to use if you don't already have a good base of mileage under your belt.

the above paragraph doesn't directly address the question, but supports the notion that you don't have to run every day if you don't want to. i'd love to run every day, but having pre-planned rest days is nice, cos i can use them as wildcards to shuffle around in the week in case i don't really feel like (or just can't plain get out to) going out for a run on any given day.

...

tmf - you're doing bermuda again this year? cool. we've got that tacked to the calendar as mrs.mm's tentative return to marathoning in 2011. the course for that is basically just a lot of roller-coasters, right (short, sometimes intense inclines and declines, somewhat resembling the fun parts of a wooden rollercoaster after the first big drop, and typically without any of the upside-down loops seen on modern steel coasters), and not so much long protracted grades? at least that's my memory of some of the roads and terrain that it runs along from a vaaction a couple of years back...

soupcan
Nov 19 2009 08:11 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

3-4 miles, 2-3 times a week. Elliptical for 45 minutes on the other days.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 19 2009 08:29 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

I always shot for 5 days a week, and always did 2-4, about an hour each time out.

This is the hat I wear in cold weather, by saucony. I forget what kind of gloves I have but they have obnoxious reflective designs and they keep me warm.

themetfairy
Nov 19 2009 09:46 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

mm - yes, I'm doing the 10K in Bermuda again; I want to get it right (i.e., not to have to walk the hills) this time! And I am tentatively planning on going back in 2012 for the half marathon.

The 10K course is different from the marathon/half marathon course (the marathon course is just the half marathon done twice). I can tell you from experience that the 10K course is extraordinarily hilly. I've heard that the marathon course is less hilly, since it's primarily the outside of the island rather than the middle, but less hilly than the 10K can still be pretty damn hilly! I'll give you a better review after this year's race, but the roller coaster analogy is probably a good one.

The courses are mapped out here - http://www.bermudaraceweekend.com/index ... &Itemid=58

metsmarathon
Nov 19 2009 03:33 PM
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a cursory look at the course using the topographical information available through mapmyrun.com tells me that there's really two big hills on the 10k course - at about 2 miles there's a hill taking you up about 100' in 3/4 of a mile, and then again, there's a big nasty hill after 5 miles, taking you up some 50-60' in a quarter mile, with a bit of a ramp up prior to and after it. the last one shows up as a quarter mile of 4% grade, which can hurt.

in new york, the biggest hill is the verrazano bridge, but you don't really notice it. just know that its there, and remember to take it easy, and you really won't notice it. the queensboro bridge is kindof similar to that 2 mile hill in bermuda, maybe just a touch steeper and longer - it looks like it takes you up about 125' in 3/4 of a mile. everything else is sneakier, like 5th avenue, which rises 75' in 3/4 of a mile. well, until you get into central park, which has some short, but somewhat steep hills, though really nothing like what you have at 5 miles in bermuda. i'm glad the bermuda marathon doesn't go up that thing!

themetfairy
Nov 19 2009 03:46 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 19 2009 05:09 PM

So am I correct in reading that the biggest hill I have to deal with in Bermuda is a 4% grade? And that's bigger than what I'll be dealing with in the Marathon?

If that's the case, if I train at a 5% grade on my treadmill I should be in good shape, right?

While we're talking grades, what's the grade during the Lincoln Tunnel 5K?

themetfairy
Nov 19 2009 04:17 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

BTW, it was at that hill at the two-mile mark that I realized I wasn't going to be able to run the whole 10K route and that I'd have to walk the hills. My legs were fine, but I didn't have the lungs for it. It was the most disappointing moment in all of my running life.

This time I'm going to be ready for it, dammit!

metsmarathon
Nov 19 2009 05:31 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

it might get a little bit steeper in the middle, but yeah, as far as a quarter-mile increment goes, it looks like its a 4% grade.

...okay, actually, i'm pulling out some other tools, and using google earth, it looks like that 5-mile hill starts off with a 6.5% grade for the first tenth of a mile. then it appears to have an 8% grade for the next tenth of a mile, and then it flattens out a bit. that's brutal, if its accurate. i hit a few similar stretches in my normal running, but they always sap me.

unfortunately, i'm still a bit unsure of the accuracy of those bermuda grades - i don't necessarily trust google earth on steep inclines especially along cliffs and the like, and i've noted some inconsistencies between mapmyrun and actual surveyed topographical maps. and the topo information on mapmyrun looks pretty jumpy for bermuda to begin with - like they don't have a good terrain model in their system. i'll hunt around and look to see if there's any good quality topo maps for bermuda to get a better estimate of what's there.

regardless, from what i can see, bermuda 10k is way worse than what you'll see in new york. i'm confident in the elevations for new york. the worst prolonged grade you'll encounter is the middle of the queensboro, which has about a 3.5% grade for about a quarter mile, and is a little shallower the quarter mile before and after. there's an eighth-mile in central park with about a 4.5% grade, and another one with closer to 5%. the rest is all sneaky little 2% grades and the like. take a look at the [course map] and [elevation profile] and you'll see.

themetfairy
Nov 19 2009 08:48 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Thanks for the analysis mm. I feel like less of a failure for wimping out on the Bermuda hills in 2008.

This morning I was running at an 11:32 minute mile pace (5.2 mph) and kept bumping up the incline, finishing my final quarter mile at an incline of 5.0. I figure that if I can consistently increase my endurance at that speed and incline, I should be ok for the big races. I can always cut down on my speed if I'm struggling on a hill in a race, but I'll have more incline experience now than I did during the 2008 10K. Maybe I'll try bumping up the incline a little more, but I'm feeling less worried about my ability to handle these courses than I had been.

themetfairy
Nov 19 2009 09:04 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 19 2009 09:06 PM

Just to clarify, were you saying that the Lincoln Tunnel Challenge is the 4% grade?

I remember that seeming totally brutal when I did it, but I wasn't nearly in the shape I am now. And even though it was rough, I was able to handle it.

metsmarathon
Nov 19 2009 09:04 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

so, for new year's, i decided that this year i would run 1,000 miles. mrs.mm, thought that it would be way more fun to run to walt disney world - which is just over a thousand miles from our house. 1,098 miles, to be exact, using roads that google maps thinks are open to pedestrians. today, i ran my 1,098th mile of the year, and am essentially at the entrance to the magic kingdom. i'm thinking i'll make my way to epcot to the start of the marathon course, run a victory lap, and then see if i can't make it to port st. lucie before the year is up. that'd work out to another 150 miles, which might just be pushing it a bit... but why the heck not, right?

themetfairy
Nov 19 2009 09:07 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

metsmarathon wrote:
so, for new year's, i decided that this year i would run 1,000 miles. mrs.mm, thought that it would be way more fun to run to walt disney world - which is just over a thousand miles from our house. 1,098 miles, to be exact, using roads that google maps thinks are open to pedestrians. today, i ran my 1,098th mile of the year, and am essentially at the entrance to the magic kingdom. i'm thinking i'll make my way to epcot to the start of the marathon course, run a victory lap, and then see if i can't make it to port st. lucie before the year is up. that'd work out to another 150 miles, which might just be pushing it a bit... but why the heck not, right?


Very impressive!

metsmarathon
Nov 19 2009 09:13 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

i have no idea... best evidence online i can find is that the lincoln tunnel goes down to a maximum depth of 97 feet, but i dont know which tube that is. if it does the full 97 feet in a half mile (i assume the middle half mile of that thing is pretty much flat), then its grade would be... about 3.7%

if it does that in 2/3 of a mile, then its a 3% grade. maybe its more of a 3% grade. its not as steep as the queensboro by a long shot.

themetfairy
Nov 20 2009 05:12 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Good to know. Again, thanks.

I've spent ten years studiously avoiding incline running. This year I'm going to attack it :)

themetfairy
Nov 20 2009 07:13 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

I decided to do more incline work today. I ran 5K on the treadmill at an 11:32 pace (5.2 mph), starting with the base incline of 1.5 and bumping up .5 every quarter mile. At two miles I was up to 5.5 - I got through that, bumped down to 5.0 at 2.25 miles, then down to 4.0 at 2.75 miles and 3.0 to the end.

That means I ran .75 miles at 5.0 or above, and 1.5 continuous miles at 4.0 or above.

I'll try to improve on this between now and Bermuda. But even if I don't, I should be in decent shape. I can slow down if need be, but I'm gaining endurance at doing inclines. My lungs feel great, and that's what killed me when I ran the Bermuda 10K last time.

Fman99
Nov 20 2009 07:54 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

I decided to do more incline work today. I ran 5K on the treadmill at an 11:32 pace (5.2 mph), starting with the base incline of 1.5 and bumping up .5 every quarter mile. At two miles I was up to 5.5 - I got through that, bumped down to 5.0 at 2.25 miles, then down to 4.0 at 2.75 miles and 3.0 to the end.

That means I ran .75 miles at 5.0 or above, and 1.5 continuous miles at 4.0 or above.

I'll try to improve on this between now and Bermuda. But even if I don't, I should be in decent shape. I can slow down if need be, but I'm gaining endurance at doing inclines. My lungs feel great, and that's what killed me when I ran the Bermuda 10K last time.


Going to start running 4x per week, on Monday/Tuesday/Thursday/Friday schedule. Don't know how or when on a Saturday or Sunday I might be able to squeak in a 5th run.

I feel rejuvenated -- having just been using ellipticals, crosstrainers and such for the last few years, cardio has been a necessary chore for me, done mainly to prevent a gradual weight gain that I face when not doing it. But the running, even on the treadmill, is more enjoyable and I feel a drive to keep going and doing it.

Going to keep track on a spreadsheet, also, of my distance/pace/etc. for my own reference.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 20 2009 07:57 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

If you ever venture outdoors use mapmyrun.com

Too many bells and whistles but very useful!

Frayed Knot
Nov 20 2009 08:04 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

metsmarathon wrote:
so, for new year's, i decided that this year i would run 1,000 miles. mrs.mm, thought that it would be way more fun to run to walt disney world - which is just over a thousand miles from our house. 1,098 miles, to be exact, using roads that google maps thinks are open to pedestrians. today, i ran my 1,098th mile of the year, and am essentially at the entrance to the magic kingdom. i'm thinking i'll make my way to epcot to the start of the marathon course, run a victory lap, and then see if i can't make it to port st. lucie before the year is up. that'd work out to another 150 miles, which might just be pushing it a bit... but why the heck not, right?



My doctor told me to start running so I did 5 miles a day for two weeks. I called him up and said, "Doc, I feel great but I'm 70 miles from home?"
[ba-dum-ching]

metirish
Nov 20 2009 08:05 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Frayed Knot wrote:
metsmarathon wrote:
so, for new year's, i decided that this year i would run 1,000 miles. mrs.mm, thought that it would be way more fun to run to walt disney world - which is just over a thousand miles from our house. 1,098 miles, to be exact, using roads that google maps thinks are open to pedestrians. today, i ran my 1,098th mile of the year, and am essentially at the entrance to the magic kingdom. i'm thinking i'll make my way to epcot to the start of the marathon course, run a victory lap, and then see if i can't make it to port st. lucie before the year is up. that'd work out to another 150 miles, which might just be pushing it a bit... but why the heck not, right?



My doctor told me to start running so I did 5 miles a day for two weeks. I called him up and said, "Doc, I feel great but I'm 70 miles from home?"
[ba-dum-ching]



LOL...

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 20 2009 08:06 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

I ran three miles today... Finally, I just said, "Lady, keep your purse."

clang!

Thank you.

Edgy DC
Nov 20 2009 08:14 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Yeah, I knew it was time to start running. My kids found our wedding album and asked me who Mom's first husband was.

Yeow!

metsmarathon
Nov 20 2009 08:48 AM
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i love running hills. i always kill it going up hills in 5ks, and they were the best part of my repertoire in cross country in college. i'm still really bummed a) that the NCAA regional championships were so flat and b) that i allowed that to get in my head leading to a race-long lack of focus.

i'm still learning how best to approach them in endurance races though, as charging up hills is a great way to ruin a perfectly good marathon.

themetfairy
Nov 20 2009 08:53 AM
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I'm not going to charge. I'm going to train at a good pace, and take them at a slow pace during the races.

Then again, I'm not worried about how long it takes me to finish these races. All I want to do is run all the way in Bermuda, and hopefully run all the way during the Marathon. Slow running counts in my book - I just want the finishers' medals ;)

themetfairy
Nov 20 2009 09:03 AM
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I just registered with mapmyrun.com. I'll check out its features over the next few days/weeks.

themetfairy
Nov 20 2009 09:22 AM
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Cool - Mapmyrun showed that my route I considered to be 3.75 miles long is actually 3.82 - Reasonably close. And an off the road route I estimated to be between 2.75 and 3 miles is 2.95 miles.

I'm pleased that my estimates are pretty close :)

metsmarathon
Nov 20 2009 12:06 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

i'm a little obsessive compulsive with mapmyrun (me, obsessive about anything? never!). i'm now mapped over 170 routes, and while there might be some duplicates in there, i don't think there's more than ten of 'em.

Fman99
Nov 20 2009 08:16 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

4.4 MPH, 0.5 incline, 30 minutes. Most of the muscle soreness in my legs from the beginning of the week is gone.

Need to get some running socks to go with the new running shoes. I can feel what feels like the start of blisters on each of my big toes, I think my normal November long tube socks are bunching up in my shoes.

Aside from that, feeling good. Ran nearly 9 miles on the treadmill this week.

themetfairy
Nov 20 2009 09:09 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Very good job Fman!

Fman99
Nov 22 2009 09:14 PM
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Thanks friend.

Today, for the first time in many years, I went out of my way to get to the gym on a weekend, specifically to get another day of running in (4.5 MPH and a 1% incline for the last 15 min.). At this rate I'll be in the 5's by the time 2010 starts.

What a great feeling, to WANT to go and exercise. It feels good on many different levels.

themetfairy
Nov 22 2009 09:25 PM
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Excellent Fman! It's always good when the exercise becomes something you want to do rather than something you're suffering through

We have to plan a 2010 CPF 5K event!

soupcan
Nov 23 2009 07:41 AM
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themetfairy wrote:
We have to plan a 2010 CPF 5K event!


You plan that and I'm in.

themetfairy
Nov 23 2009 07:13 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

marathon - if I run an elevation of 108 feet in .17 miles, what would the gradient be?

Frayed Knot
Nov 23 2009 07:40 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

5,280 feet to the mile
-- so 108/(0.17*5280) or 108/897.6 = 0.12032, or just over a 12% grade

Basically it would be like running to 1st base from home only to find it 10 feet off the ground

themetfairy
Nov 23 2009 07:48 PM
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Thanks FK.

I'm not 100% sure about the figures. But there's a killer hill that I had to walk during a 5K in Princeton last year. It may not be 12%, but I'm sure it's over 8%.

Rockin' Doc
Nov 23 2009 08:26 PM
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soupcan wrote:
themetfairy wrote:
We have to plan a 2010 CPF 5K event!


You plan that and I'm in.


I'd consider it, but only if there's beer waiting at the finish line.

metsmarathon
Nov 23 2009 08:32 PM
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where's the hill? i could take a look (or someone else could beat me to it...)...

is there even a 100' hill in the princeton area? i'm ignorant of central jersey

themetfairy
Nov 23 2009 08:51 PM
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There aren't many hills in Central NJ. But this one is a killer.

It's on Faculty Road. If you start on Washington Road and take it northeast towards the Jadwin Gym, you'll find it. Thanks mm.

metsmarathon
Nov 23 2009 08:57 PM
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one of the bigger hills i've run consistently is by my mom's house - it rises from an elevation of about 1110' to about 1230' in a quarter mile.

that's 120/(5280*0.25) = 9% grade overall

at its steepest, it covers 80' in about a tenth of a mile

that's 80/528 = 15%

if i was running a 5k that put that hill in front of me without a warning and a waiver, i'd slap the race director!

themetfairy
Nov 23 2009 09:07 PM
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What really killed about that hill on Faculty Road was that it was in the third mile on both of the 5K routes I've run there.

I had to walk it last November, but I was able to run it in February. I'm curious to know whether it's comparable to that hill at Mile 5 in the Bermuda 10K.

mm - are those gradients for Princeton, or for that hill near your mother's house?

metsmarathon
Nov 23 2009 09:58 PM
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according to the topographical map, it looks like it (faculty rd) goes from about 50' elevation to 100' elevation in 0.1 miles

so about a 9.5% incline. that's rough! that can totally kill a perfectly good 5k if you're not ready for it. even if you are...sheesh!

runners, if you've got a good hill near you, i encourage you to embrace it, and run up it every chance you get. i love me some hill repeats, especially the brutal, brief ones. my house is actually near the top of a brief, steep hill on my road, so i basically end each run with a 40' climb over a tenth of a mile, which i typically sprint up. last years ago i made it a point to run repeats of it a few times. i think i did about five repeats of it maybe two or three times. this year, i did not get to do it. it and its ilk factor heavily in my plans for the next two years.

metsmarathon
Nov 23 2009 10:00 PM
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themetfairy wrote:
What really killed about that hill on Faculty Road was that it was in the third mile on both of the 5K routes I've run there.


that's just mean!

i'd guess its fairly similar to that hill in bermuda, but again, i'm a little unsure of bermuda's exact topography. especially when viewed through the lens of mapmyrun or google maps.

Fman99
Nov 24 2009 06:25 AM
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soupcan wrote:
themetfairy wrote:
We have to plan a 2010 CPF 5K event!


You plan that and I'm in.


Neat idea. Travel to NYC area is a bit tougher for me but I would definitely consider it.

themetfairy
Nov 24 2009 06:49 AM
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mm - Thank you for the research and calculations. I appreciate that.

The last time I had a 5K on Faculty Road was last Valentine's Day. I ran up the hill, aided by a friend who had already finished the race, but he came back down and prodded me to not give up and to run the hill. I appreciate that, because it gives me confidence in my ability to handle the Bermuda hills.

BTW, that race ended at the Jadwin Gym parking lot, so the 9.5 incline was right before the end.

I agree with you about embracing hills. Up until now I've actively avoided them, but my lungs feel a lot stronger now that I've started incline running on my treadmill. So far I haven't exceeded a 5.5 gradient, but my feeling is that if I can handle that at an 11:32 pace for a quarter of a mile, I should be able to handle steeper inclines at lower speeds. And if I made it up the Faculty Road hill when I was still 15-20 pounds heavier than I am now, then I should be able to handle the hills in Bermuda and the New York Marathon.

Fman - I'll consult with you if I ever see an interesting 5K in NYC, and if it works with your schedule we'll see if it works for everyone else.

metsmarathon
Nov 24 2009 07:40 AM
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too bad there doesn't appear to be a return of the nyrr run to home plate. that'd seem like a natural fit...

Frayed Knot
Nov 24 2009 08:01 AM
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according to the topographical map, it looks like it (faculty rd) goes from about 50' elevation to 100' elevation in 0.1 miles

so about a 9.5% incline. that's rough! that can totally kill a perfectly good 5k if you're not ready for it. even if you are...sheesh!

runners, if you've got a good hill near you, i encourage you to embrace it, and run up it every chance you get. i love me some hill repeats, especially the brutal, brief ones. my house is actually near the top of a brief, steep hill on my road, so i basically end each run with a 40' climb over a tenth of a mile, which i typically sprint up. last years ago i made it a point to run repeats of it a few times. i think i did about five repeats of it maybe two or three times. this year, i did not get to do it. it and its ilk factor heavily in my plans for the next two years.


It's probably not an exact equivalent for running, but I learned a technique for biking which works well enough for those shorter & steeper type hills.
Basically you get a decent head of steam going - not a full-out sprint but a good comfortable pace - and then shift UP a gear or two as you hit the bottom of the hill while, at the same time, you get out of the seat and just start stomping on the pedals. This initially sounds counter-intuitive as most folks would tend to slow-down and down-shift in anticipation of a hill. But the idea behind starting the hills with the biking equivalent of a sprint (standing up and pounding) is not only that it gets you up the first part of the hill quicker but, as you begin to slow down and struggle, your first down-shift only drops you back to your pre-hill gear and still leaves you with lower gears you can shift to after that if/when needed. Meanwhile, by the time you get to that point, you're a lot closer to the end of the climb and with a lot more momentum than you would be had you gone low to start out with and then have nowhere to go except to the slower-than-slow speed and lower-than-low gears after that.

Bottom line is: you may be expending a large amount of energy to blast up the incline but you'll be doing it for a much shorter time as compared to the go-slow yet endless trek which becomes a longer, slower drain on your reserves. Ending runs/bikes with a hill (as mm's example above) is a good way to practice this as you then don't have to worry how much you're left with at the end - but you can also do them within a run as well, using the (hopefully) post-hill flat or down-hill section as a recovery stage. Doing interval training (as discussed here in the past): either alternating longer-run days with shorter faster ones, or incorporating sprints within a scheduled longer run, is good practice for those as it'll build up your anabolic threshold for those times when you'll need it.


Having said all that, that method won't work every time as some hills are going to be too long and too steep to simply charge up. I found a hill up in the Oyster Bay region of LI's north shore which - as far as I could estimate from an on-line topographic map - averaged about a 14% incline over a few hundred yards with the lower section of the hill being even steeper than that. My method for getting up that hill was simple: go until my thighs were about to burst; sit down on the log half-way up (same spot every time); remount and tackle the remainder of the hill five minutes later. Tried that thing at least a half-dozen different times, never once came close to doing it in one shot.

themetfairy
Nov 24 2009 08:26 AM
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metsmarathon wrote:
too bad there doesn't appear to be a return of the nyrr run to home plate. that'd seem like a natural fit...


That would be ideal.

If anyone ever notices the resurrection of that race, we have to do it!

metsmarathon
Nov 24 2009 08:46 AM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
Ending runs/bikes with a hill (as mm's example above) is a good way to practice this as you then don't have to worry how much you're left with at the end - but you can also do them within a run as well, using the (hopefully) post-hill flat or down-hill section as a recovery stage.


the one downside to my end-run hill is that my driveway is still on the incline. its just after the steep part, but once i reach it, i mentally declare myself "done" and just never get into that recovery stage. the best way to do hills is to try to accelerate over the top and get back into your flat-ground pace as you're cresting it.

that was always my problem in cross country - i'd blast up the hill, and when i got to the top, i'd have a hard time transitioning. the people i'd passed often would then pass me. but for a time, the hills were the only thing i was good at, so i didn't mind too much, and didnt want much to change my strategy.

so if you really want good practice charging up hills, don't forget that all-important transition! if gets you from legs-a-pumping mode back into your normal cruising mode. practicing it makes it easier. your body will naturally implore you to stop and catch your breath as you reach your summits, but in practicing the transition you'll teach your body that it can typically recover what it needs to by continuing along - because you're switching to some different muscle groups, and your hill-climbers can get their rest.

charging up hills is also great practice for finish-line dashes.

themetfairy
Nov 24 2009 09:12 AM
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I'm training with different goals in mind. I want to get through the Bermuda 10K and the Marathon without having to walk them. After the Marathon, I may never run anything longer than 10K again (caveat - I may make an exception for the 2012 half marathon in Bermuda). And I have never been fast, so the time on the clock doesn't matter to me.

You guys are looking to kick ass; I'll be satisfied just to survive

themetfairy
Nov 24 2009 09:44 AM
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I need you guys to reassure me that the fact that my left knee has been slightly sore for a couple of weeks won't stop me from running the Marathon in 348 days.

Farmer Ted
Nov 24 2009 10:07 AM
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Blew out my calf months ago and had to bail on the NYC marathon. Too many weird injuries over the past few years so I dug deep into various programs to look for a routine that could keep me injury free.

I've been on the running rebound for over six weeks. Haven't stretched once. True story. Throw on my gear and head out the door sans stretching. Toss in some strides and plyometrics in the first mile, a few more strides here and there plus some weights and band training twice per week. I'm feeling great and up to over 20 miles per week. Hopefully over 30 in January.

The theory is that static stretching (stretch and hold) doesn't work as well for runners according to some biomechanics experts. It's better to stretch "on the go" and let the muscles stretch naturally.

soupcan
Nov 24 2009 10:21 AM
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I've found that if I don't do the 'static stretching' for at least 5 minutes before and after I run I'm stiff and sore for days.

If I stretch I'm fine.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 24 2009 10:32 AM
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themetfairy wrote:
I need you guys to reassure me that the fact that my left knee has been slightly sore for a couple of weeks won't stop me from running the Marathon in 348 days.


Take a day off from running and ride a stationary bike instead and see if it doesn't get better is how I treat knee stiffness. Knees like motion, sometimes they get gummed up.

Farmer Ted
Nov 24 2009 10:37 AM
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My physical therapist told me the best way to improve knee pain is to strengthen your hips, preferably with some band stretches.

themetfairy
Nov 24 2009 10:45 AM
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I don't have a stationary bike in the house. I'll try to make myself do some at the gym the next chance I get - thanks for the suggestion.

Ted - I'm glad to hear that you're up and running again (figuratively and literally). We'll have to hang out before the Marathon :) And thanks for the suggestions - in the past my doctor told me to help out my knee by strengthening my quads, but maybe the time has come to work on something in addition to that.

metsmarathon
Nov 26 2009 09:16 AM
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when i first developed patellar tendonitis, i used to rock the bike during cross country practice as part of my recovery routine, and also as a way to build speed instead of losing it. i miss that cybex bike. the proform and lifefitness bikes at the gym at work have never matched up to it in terms of not-causing-numbness.

i would always follow that up with some time on the leg extension machine, doing one weight plate (10 lbs) one leg at a time, about three sets of 15 reps each, always very slow. the idea with that was to strengthen the quads without stressing the knee. it sure seemed to work, and it gave me great definition in my quads!

...

in semi-unrelated news, i just rocked a PR in the third annual krogh's turkey trot. my clock time was 21:24, and i'm pretty sure my chip time will come in about ten seconds faster. regardless, its 15-20 seconds or so faster than my prior PR, 21:38, set at the lincoln tunnel challenge in may. i'm pleasantly surprised with it, as i overdid it with some delicious mexican food last night, and was still feeling full this morning (i know, who stuffs their face the night before thanksgiving?!). didn't sleep well, either, but that's a general constant before my races - i never sleep well before a race. if i ever did, i'm sure i wouldn't know what to do with myself! each mile was consistent in terms of pace - each about 6:50 or so, but i was tiring towards the end. there was a little bit of a gap behind me, which was nice, because it meant nobody was going to be chasing me into the chute - i'm fairly sure i wouldn't've been able to mount a good dash at the end. as much as i like having that last sprint left in the tank, if its not tehre, it generally means i've just run about as fast as i can. it was a nice flat course, with a few brief inclines, and only one of them is kinda steep. i'm actually glad we were just talking about running hills because it reminded me to focus on the transition over the crest, which allowed me to catch the girl in front of me with the 2009 NCAA DI regionals XC t-shirt on.

i gotta check the results online later, but i don't think too many kids or tweenagers beat me either. there are a lot of good runners in this town, as this race has reminded me each of the past three years. i'm nowhere near top ten in my 30-39 age group, but might've taken top five in 30-34...

themetfairy
Nov 26 2009 09:29 AM
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Thanks for the advice mm, and WTG on your Turkey Trot PR!

A Boy Named Seo
Nov 26 2009 03:11 PM
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Just blew out of work for a slowish, solo turkey trot. Perfect day to run. Like 75 degrees in LA, sunny and cloudless, no cars on the street to dodge, no business people to run around as they go to the strip malls for lunch, just perfect. Like a nuclear holocaust without all the bad shit that comes with one of those.

100% the same as soupy on the stretching thing. Have to, for 10 or 15 minutes, or I'm real hurty for several days after. Great for you, Ted, if it's workin'. Continued good health and that.

I say to Fairy, listen to your body. If it hurts, just rest it til it hurts way less, or not at all. It normally takes me the first mile to feel OK, and one day I was doing 10, I was the second mile in and I wasn't right, but I was stubborn and finished anyway, and my achilles hurt for 3 months. Totally not worth it. Just take it easy.

themetfairy
Nov 26 2009 03:28 PM
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Thanks Seo.

Actually, I'm not feeling any pain while I'm running, thank goodness! I sometimes get slight achiness when I'm resting.

I've gone on the Naproxen Sodium 2X a day regimen, and it seems to be helping.

LOL re: "like a nuclear holocaust without all the bad shit"

Fman99
Nov 27 2009 06:50 AM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 27 2009 07:11 AM

Farmer Ted wrote:
Blew out my calf months ago and had to bail on the NYC marathon. Too many weird injuries over the past few years so I dug deep into various programs to look for a routine that could keep me injury free.

I've been on the running rebound for over six weeks. Haven't stretched once. True story. Throw on my gear and head out the door sans stretching. Toss in some strides and plyometrics in the first mile, a few more strides here and there plus some weights and band training twice per week. I'm feeling great and up to over 20 miles per week. Hopefully over 30 in January.

The theory is that static stretching (stretch and hold) doesn't work as well for runners according to some biomechanics experts. It's better to stretch "on the go" and let the muscles stretch naturally.


This is my M.O. too. Get on the treadmill and go. I seem no worse for wear.

Got to the gym the last 2 mornings just to get my run in. Up to 31 minutes, 1% incline, 4.7 MPH which puts me on a 39:30 5k pace. I'm going to try and stretch out both my speed and duration, get into that 5.3 mph/35 minute range so I can get to the point where each workout is a 5k worth of running. Today was about 2.43 miles, so I'm getting closer to it.

Feels great I must say.

themetfairy
Nov 27 2009 07:03 AM
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I will stretch before a race, because I push harder during races than during my normal runs. I tend not to stretch before running on a regular basis, though.

Fman99
Nov 30 2009 03:52 PM
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Just got back from the gym, last workout of the month.

November's tally: I put 25.2 miles on the treadmill since I started running on November 16th. At this pace I will be able to run 50 miles in December.

themetfairy
Nov 30 2009 04:27 PM
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Great work Fman!!!

metsmarathon
Nov 30 2009 08:54 PM
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nice!

themetfairy
Dec 02 2009 09:28 AM
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marathon - have you ever run the NJ Marathon in Long Branch?

metsmarathon
Dec 02 2009 10:06 AM
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no, but i have done the long branch half marathon about three times, i think. (the nj marathon is two loops of the half course) i might do it again this year, begrudgingly - its not my favorite course as its kindof boring and unspectacular, i think, and given the choice between doing that again and doing a different half marathon a first time, i'd choose the latter. but its a flat course, has a lot of turns so there's no terribly long straight mind-numbing stretch, should be fast, and has only one hill, at 8 miles. a long sleeve technical t-shirt is given out, and the medal is nice.

as a half marathon, i guess its fine, really. i wouldn't skip it just because i'm bored with it. but having already done it, i'm not inclined to choose it as my eventual "marathon in new jersey" - for that i've got my eye on eventually running the ocean drive marathon, which starts at cape may, and runs north along the atlantic, on ocean drive. it seems like it might be more interesting. its in late march. the earliest i'd run it is in 2011, and if not then i might try to run it in 2012 for BQ. its a pretty small race, typically with 400 finishers. [url]http://www.odmarathon.org/index.cfm

themetfairy
Dec 02 2009 10:29 AM
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I can live with boring; I like the idea of flat for a first marathon. Thanks for the feedback.

If you're looking for a NJ half marathon this spring, check out this one at Freakin' Rutgers - http://www.cgiracing.com/unite.aspx

Farmer Ted
Dec 02 2009 10:41 AM
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I did a spring marathon tune-up before a fall marathon once. Not good. The spring marathon beat me up and set me back in my training a bit. I wasn't as fresh as I thought I'd be.

I ran the Chicago Marathon with the thought "yipee, a flat course and a fast course". As it turned out, the flat course was my demise. My body could have used some uphills and downhills to take the strain off the body parts that were getting pounded mile after mile.

What I'm doing this next year is running a relatively flat 1/2 marathon in the spring and a bunch of 5-10Ks in the summer to keep up the racing momentum and mindset.

themetfairy
Dec 02 2009 10:54 AM
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Thanks Ted - I appreciate the feedback.

In the meantime, though, I just registered for the marathon in Long Branch. Hopefully I won't beat myself up the way that you described; since I'm a slow runner and take these things gently, I think I'll be ok.

I started worrying about New York - what if I struggle, what if I have to walk the hills, etc. And I figured that if I run the NJ marathon and run the entire route at my normal snail's pace, I won't feel so much pressure to be perfect in New York.

metsmarathon
Dec 02 2009 10:20 PM
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i wouldn't necessarily agree that running a spring marathon before a fall marathon is a bad idea. i think a lot depends on how you're planning on running each of those races, and your plans for the time in between.

if your goal is to blow out a PR in a fall marathon, then trying for a PR in the spring might hurt your goals. maybe. in that case, you might be better off spending your spring whittling down a 5k time or 10k time, building up a speed base instead of a distance base.

but running a spring marathon as a feeler to see where you are, or to gain confidence in your ability to cover the distance, or to build up your mileage base should not set you back at all.

last year i ran the hamptons marathon in late september, and followed that up with new york 5 weeks later. i bonked hard in that race, but that was more due to poor race execution than being beat up from the prior marathon. and i only lost 7 minutes going from the flatter course to the much more challenging nyc. mrs.mm ran the hamptons race as a pure training run in the place of her scheduled 20-miler, and than ran new york far better than she even expected to, running it 45 minutes faster than hamptons. she then ran the disney marathon with her dad 2 months later. no ill effects there, though in that race she wasn't running for time, per se.

i think if you do a good job training for nj, follow a training program, build up your mileage slowly and appropriately, and run the race as a feeler, you'll have more than enough time to recover and start back in with an 18-week training plan for new york. i mean, even if you have trouble with nj, or find yourself injured during the buildup for it, you can use that as a learning experience to refine your plan for new york.

as i've mentioned upstream a bit - i've set my sights on running a fall marathon in 2011 to try for a boston qualifying time. i'm also planning on running a marathon in january 2011, and might even consider running another one in late march 2012. the only reason i wouldn't run the march race is if i felt like i needed to focus more on building up my speed in a 5k or 10k setting (or, y'know, just didnt really have time for it - kid and all that). with good post-race recoveries, and a reduction in injury-inducing basketball, i've no worries about wearing myself down before the fall race.

personally, i do agree about having some hills to change the muscle groups and such, but i feel like that concern is mitigated to an extent by the slower pace. you can also gain some of that muscle group changey thing by walking through water stops. its just plain easier anyways - i'll even do it in 5k's.

themetfairy
Dec 03 2009 05:31 AM
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Thank you mm for the reassurance. As always, I'm in awe of you and mrs. m.

Yes - I won't be running either marathon for speed; I just want to make it to the finish lines. Any time I finish will be a PR, which is fine with me.

NJ has a time limit of 6.5 hours, so I won't be able to totally slack; I figure that my finish time there will give me confidence that I'll be able to finish New York before they take away the finish line and leave Central Park to the muggers for the night ;)

themetfairy
Dec 06 2009 10:53 AM
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This morning I went up to Freakin' Rutgers for a preview run for the half marathon in April. It wasn't the full course, but I ran 10 miles. Normally I wouldn't care if I lagged back from the crowd, but since there wasn't any course support I figured I needed to push the pace to stay with my group. Because of that, I completed the 10 miles in 1:43, which is a good 7-12 minutes faster than I anticipated running the course. What's more important is that, save for some lung burn from the cold, I'm feeling really good in the aftermath. I'm also feeling more confident about my ability to run a marathon in May - if I train well and take things at a comfortable pace, I should be able to handle the distance.

This was a confidence builder :)

themetfairy
Dec 06 2009 01:47 PM
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I wasn't sure whether to post this here or in the dieting thread. But ultimately, I think that it's more of a running topic.

I know that it's important to properly nourish one's body before running a long distance. But are there any guidelines on how to nourish/carb up while being true to one's diet? So far I've been managing to balance things, but if anyone comes across any articles that are specific to running while dieting I'd appreciate it if you'd post links. Thanks :)

themetfairy
Dec 07 2009 09:26 PM
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In what is quite possibly a total fit of insanity, I just added a race to my schedule. I had already signed up for the 10K in Bermuda next month, and I had planned to go back in 2012 for the half marathon. But I am feeling so good today after my 10-miler yesterday that I decided to run the half marathon this year. I'll run the 10K on Saturday, and the half marathon on Sunday.

I'm not expecting to set any land speed records, and I'll have to take the hills easy. But this way I won't feel compelled to return to Bermuda specifically for any future race weekends.

metsmarathon
Dec 07 2009 09:42 PM
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well, there's still the bermuda triangle...

themetfairy
Dec 08 2009 06:21 AM
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I considered it. But the mile isn't my strong suit, and to sign up for the Triangle now would have cost me twice as much as just signing up for the half marathon separately.

If I can do the 10K Saturday and the half marathon on Sunday, I don't need no stinkin' Triangle ;)

themetfairy
Dec 08 2009 06:53 AM
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metsmarathon wrote:
a cursory look at the course using the topographical information available through mapmyrun.com tells me that there's really two big hills on the 10k course - at about 2 miles there's a hill taking you up about 100' in 3/4 of a mile, and then again, there's a big nasty hill after 5 miles, taking you up some 50-60' in a quarter mile, with a bit of a ramp up prior to and after it. the last one shows up as a quarter mile of 4% grade, which can hurt.

in new york, the biggest hill is the verrazano bridge, but you don't really notice it. just know that its there, and remember to take it easy, and you really won't notice it. the queensboro bridge is kindof similar to that 2 mile hill in bermuda, maybe just a touch steeper and longer - it looks like it takes you up about 125' in 3/4 of a mile. everything else is sneakier, like 5th avenue, which rises 75' in 3/4 of a mile. well, until you get into central park, which has some short, but somewhat steep hills, though really nothing like what you have at 5 miles in bermuda. i'm glad the bermuda marathon doesn't go up that thing!


marathon - that gradient at the 5 mile mark in the 10K is also on the half marathon route, isn't it?

What can you tell me about the marathon/half marathon route? Now that I've signed up for the half, I'd appreciate your recognizance (with the full understanding that the topographical maps of Bermuda are suspect). Thanks.

metsmarathon
Dec 08 2009 08:32 AM
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nope - you run right on past it, so give it good ol' shake of a fist and mutterance of an epithet as you do!

looks like there's one noteworthy hill where just before mile 3, you start to slowly ascend from 50' getting up to 150' just before mile 4. there could be a steepish bit towards the end, but i'm not sure.

there's a potential for a smaller hill at about 1 mile in, and another one just after mile 11, but those might not be much at all.

everything else looks like roller coasters.

since the majority of the route is along south road and north shore road, you've basically just hovering above the coast. the overall elevation shoulnd't be changing too much there, but i'd imagine you'll encounter some exceedingly brief yet sharp inclines due to the rugged cliffside terrain. its only as you venture inland that you'll hit "hills," and again, it looks like the 4-mile hill is the only noteworthy one among them.

themetfairy
Dec 08 2009 08:36 AM
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metsmarathon wrote:
nope - you run right on past it, so give it good ol' shake of a fist and mutterance of an epithet as you do!



LOL - I'm sure I will. I mutter at Faculty Road every time we drive past it

Thanks for the recognizance - I truly appreciate it. It looks like the worst inclines are at the beginning of the run, which is nice. I can handle that.

themetfairy
Dec 09 2009 08:38 AM
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marathon - what do you think of GPS watches?

Someone who ran the 10-miler with me on Sunday had it, and really liked it. I'm torn. The rational part of me says that I really don't need it, especially since my game plan is to retire from long runs (i.e., longer than 10K) after the NYC Marathon. Between MapMyRun and organized runs, I really don't NEED a watch that also tracks mileage.

But the geek in me just thinks the concept of a GPS watch is so cool!

Talk me out of this, will you? Thanks :)

metsmarathon
Dec 09 2009 09:23 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

if the majority of your running is in a city, then you shouldn't probably bother with a GPS watch (buildings effectively block GPS signals to the point where you'll see some significantly reduced accuracy which would artificially increase the distance the watch thinks you've run).

i think if the majority of your running is on streets and/or routes that you're familiar with then you probably don't need a GPS watch.

personally, i think they're cool as hell, but i'm always mapping out my routes before i run - i'd rather know how far i'm running than how far i've just run - and i make a point of memorizing my mile markers and gauging mid-mile if need be.

if you find yourself venturing out into new territory and unable to keep track of your mile markers, then a GPS watch might be a decent investment. if you really want to tech out your running, i'd start with a good heart rate monitor (which i got for mrs.mm two years ago, and have been considering it for myself), and look at how much more it would run you to get one with a GPS, if you really wanted one. the heart rate is way more potentially useful, imo. but i don't use either, and probably wouldn't end up using the heart rate monitor if i ever got one... or not.. i think...

...

hey, i was meaning to ask - are you using any sort of marathon training plan to build up your mileage, or are you playing it by ear?

themetfairy
Dec 09 2009 09:28 AM
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Thanks mm - I appreciate the feedback.

I'm not sure yet about a training plan. My gym is offering a training plan for the Rutgers half marathon in April, and I know Team McGraw offers training plans for the NYC Marathon. I haven't decided yet about following a plan closely. I may just go out one day and try to run 20 miles - if I can do that and feel decent about it, then I may just stick to my normal running and wing it.

I am planning on building up my mileage, though, before the two marathons. I made a start this morning - normally my long route of the week is 3.75 miles, but today I ran 5.

How many miles a week should I be aiming for if I'm planning on running slow marathons? If I finish in 6 hours, I'll be ecstatic.

metsmarathon
Dec 09 2009 01:25 PM
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i would absolutely recommend following a training plan, both to make sure that you're building up enough of a mileage base to push off bonking, and also to make sure that you're not slapping on the mileage too quickly so as to invite injury.

i forget what plan we used for our first marathon (it might've been a jeff galloway plan from a book we cannot find anywhere in our house, or it might not've been), but it and any other subsequent plan have all shared a few similarities.

most obviously, the long run, and the gradual progression of mileage. since the njm is on a sunday, i'd recommend doing your long runs on a sunday also. the other cheif similarity is the inclusion of drop-back weeks. you might think that steadily increasing the distance on your long run is the way to go, but generally, once you get into the higher mileages, these plans give you a rest week, where your long run is anywhere from a few miles shorter to half as long, to give your body and mind a chance to recuperate.

typically, the midweek runs will consist of three or four days of running, various distances, and there's almost always a rest day and/or a cross training day. i heartily advocate the monday rest day.

since i'm having difficulty finding our original marathon training plan, i'd recommend this one - hal higdon novice 1. it builds mileage nicely, up to a weekly max of 40 miles. the novice 2 is a little more advanced with a bigger initial long run, and mixes in "pace" days, where you're running at your goal marathon pace, which is assumed to be faster than your easy run pace and long run pace by, say, 45-90 minutes per mile. it only gets you up to 35 miles in a week, but is more intense.

my only quibble with the higdon novice plan is that i prefer to run 20 miles at least twice before the big race. if you did follow the higdon plan, i would think about getting to week 15, and repeating weeks 13-15. that way you'd have two 18 milers, and two 20 milers. the second 20 miler is always so much easier than the first, and as such is good for the mind and spirit, as well as the body.

of course, if you were to do that, making it a 21 week plan, your first week starts two days ago, on monday! if you ran 3 miles yesterday, and 3 miles today, you're right on track - keep up the good work! :p

the 18 week plan would start on the 28th, btw. and i'll keep on looking for that plan we used for our first. not that we followed it all that well - about halfway through, we pretty much stopped running during the week, and only basically ran our long runs. i would not recommend that approach, personally. we did okay, all things considered, but man, did i bonk hard at 18 miles!

themetfairy
Dec 09 2009 01:46 PM
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Thanks marathon :)

Yes - every plan I've seen has had the long run of 20 or 26 miles (depending on the plan) about three weeks before the marathon, and then scaling back a bit before the big race.

I don't think I'll be getting my head into the NJ Marathon until after Bermuda is over. And with Bermuda the preparation is a bit different. I'm not worried about the distance as much as I'm worried about incline training, which I've been doing on the treadmill. But ultimately I'm pretty confident about being able to do the hilly 10K on the Saturday and the less hilly but still hilly half marathon on the Sunday.

Once that is over, I can focus more on building distance for the marathon, which is three and a half months later.

That said, up until now my long run of the week has been 3.75 miles, but today I bumped that up to 5 miles. I'll build the mileage gradually, for sure.

I have been running virtually every day, but once I start marathon training I'll incorporate a rest day or two into the weekly schedule.

I'm aware of the fact that I didn't think this through thoroughly enough before signing up for these races. But I'm pretty sure that if I take things slowly I should be able to complete them all.

Bonking is as much a result of nutrition as of training, right? I'm going to make sure I consume calories during my long runs. I was given the guideline of 100 calories an hour, and to make sure I include electrolytes. BTW, I bought a case of Jelly Belly Sports Beans (which I call my magic beans) to get through the training and marathons :)

I keep telling myself to take things slow and steady and to run my own race. I think that I'll be ok if I stick to that.

themetfairy
Dec 09 2009 01:57 PM
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What do you think of this plan?

http://www.runnersworld.com/article/0,7 ... -0,00.html

(How do I embed a link into words here?)

metsmarathon
Dec 09 2009 03:06 PM
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left bracket url=webpageaddress right bracket blah blah blah left bracket /url right bracket

and then if you want someone to actually find it other than by accident, you can bold it and underline it. otherwise its just plain black text whose color you cannot change.

the runners world plan looks good. i'd swap the saturday and sunday runs though, so the long runs are the same day as the race. but it also depends on your own personal schedule, and which day you'll be better able to devote a few hours to every week. and, of course, if you have to swap em around a bit as it goes, that's fine too.

i keep forgetting that you'll be doing bermuda as well. that'll definitely help too.

as the long runs get longer, you'll want to bring along some calories with you. i take a gu every 6th mile (used to be every 5th mile, then i got faster and didn't need em as often.) they recommend every 45 minutes or so, but every 5th mile should be good regardless of pace, imo. i take one before a long run as well. i'm a fan of gu, but give powergel or clif shots a try too if you don't like the gu. personally, the gu pomegranate blueberry rocktane is good good stuff, and the tri-berry and orange are both pretty good too. other flavors can be nasty. we tried powergel once, and felt it had the consistency of warm, sorta-fruity, mintless toothpaste. not good. i forget if i've tried clif shots...

the sport beans are good too.

themetfairy
Dec 09 2009 03:49 PM
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Thanks mm.

I like the sports beans - they taste like Gatorade :)

Yeah - I'll definitely get my head into the longer runs after Bermuda. But the fact that I ran ten miles on Sunday with no ill effects reassures me that I should be able to handle this crazy plan

metsmarathon
Dec 10 2009 11:21 AM
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I can't recall if I've asked this before... Does anybody have a good treadmill that they'd be happy to recommend to somebody in the market for a good treadmill?

I'd like to get one for us this christmas, mostly to help mrs.mm get back into the swing of running despite the winter weather, but I'm sure I'd like to use it too

So, any recommendations?

Oh, and in case you're wondering, my blackberry auto-capitalizes. Its still me.

themetfairy
Dec 10 2009 11:58 AM
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I have a Pacer Circuit treadmill that's about five years old or so. It's decent, but not superlative (but, then again, it's not state of the art). What's good about it is that it's reasonably durable (both D-Dad and I run on it regularly, and it's held up well) and that it folds up. What's bad is that it automatically shuts off after 99 minutes, and I'm not entirely sure that it's accurately calibrated. Also, D-Dad feels it doesn't respond well enough when he wants to change up the inclines mid-run. But for a quick 5K run while babymarathon is napping, it's probably good enough.

themetfairy
Dec 11 2009 09:02 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

BTW, once a week I'm doing a 2-mile treadmill run. I start with an incline of 2 and go up .5 every quarter mile, sometimes increasing even more in the final quarter mile.

I'm going to be ready for those hills in Bermuda, dammit!

themetfairy
Dec 11 2009 09:03 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Oh, this is my treadmill.

themetfairy
Dec 12 2009 02:14 PM
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I bought the Garmin Forerunner 405 GPS watch. It's not the state of the art model, so it was on sale, plus it fits well on my wrist.

I'm justifying the purchase because I was concerned about how I was going to figure out when I had run 18 or 20 miles when I'm preparing for marathons. Now I'll know.

metsmarathon
Dec 12 2009 08:56 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

let us know how it works out. maybe i can be convinced to trick the wifey into getting me one eventually :p

themetfairy
Dec 12 2009 09:12 PM
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There's a newer, more state of the art Garmin on the market. But the only thing I want from this is to measure my distance during long runs.

When I ran the 10-miler at Rutgers last Sunday, the woman who was running with me had one of these watches. It was an unsupported run, so it was nice to have some indication of how far along the route we were.

There's a lot more functionality to it than that, but honestly I'm probably just going to focus on the distance function.

If you want to buy this one used after next year's NYC Marathon, I might be able to be convinced to sell this one to you cheap....

themetfairy
Dec 12 2009 09:14 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

This is the watch.

The price was even lower - now that there's a new model on the market, there are bargains to be had on this one.

themetfairy
Dec 14 2009 08:02 AM
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I just went out with the GPS watch for the first time, and it corresponds closely to mapmyrun.com. I think it's going to be a great tool for my marathon training - when I'm on training runs I won't have to worry about sticking to known paths.

Fman99
Dec 14 2009 09:11 PM
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After one month of consistent treadmill running (and 48 total miles), I am up to nearly a 5k per workout pace. Today was 36 minutes at 5.1 mph, total distance 3.06 miles.

Continue to feel good. I'll get a twinge here or there for a minute or two during the run but they pass.

themetfairy
Dec 15 2009 05:42 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

WTG Fman - that's fabulous!

We definitely have to get you down here for a run some time in 2010!

themetfairy
Dec 15 2009 01:16 PM
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As you already know, my 2010 New Year's Resolution is to run the New York City Marathon. I'm very excited about this venture - it's beyond what I ever previously imagined for myself, and I'm looking forward to the challenge. When I lived in Boston, long before I was a runner, I would watch the Marathon on television because I wanted to see those images of home; to go from wistfully watching on television to actually running the Marathon is a dream that I am thrilled about making a reality.

As you also may or may not know, getting into the Marathon is not easy. But I have discovered one sure fire way to make sure that I'm running it this year - I have teamed up with The Tug McGraw Foundation and will be running as part of Team McGraw. I need to raise $3,000 in order to run with Team McGraw, so I'm looking to all of you to help me out while helping out an excellent cause. The Tug McGraw Foundation was established in 2003 to enhance the quality of life of children and adults with brain tumors and in 2009 expanded programs to include Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, (PTSD), and Trauma Brain Injury, (TBI). They collaborate and partner with other organizations in order to accelerate new treatments and cures to improve quality of life in areas of physical, social, emotional, cognitive, and spiritual impact of those debilitating conditions. By helping me to run the Marathon, you will also be helping this excellent foundation.

Click Here to make a donation to my
Team McGraw Fundraising Page.

No donation is too small (although no donation is too large either ).

Thank you for your support, both in terms of donations as well as the good wishes I've received from my friends as I've taken on this gargantuan task :)

themetfairy
Dec 18 2009 04:28 PM
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The fundraising is going well enough that I think that, in addition to the Marathon, I should be able to raise enough money to also run the NYC Half Marathon in March with Team McGraw.

That will give me half marathons in January (Bermuda), March (NYC) and April (Rutgers) in preparation for the NJ Marathon in May.

Fman99
Dec 23 2009 10:37 AM
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At this point I am running 5k worth of treadmill time every workout. Steady at 5.3 MPH for 36 minutes, 1% incline. It's a good sweat and I'm getting it done 4-5 times/week. Next step is to boost the speed and reduce the time.

I have been getting a little bit of lower back stiffness from the faster speeds, probably should incorporate some stretching into my pre-running routine.

themetfairy
Dec 23 2009 10:49 AM
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Stretching is always good. Also building your core strength/abs is important. Now that my abs are in shape, I can really feel them kick in when I run.

Check out ExerciseTV.tv on the web or ExerciseTV on On Demand. They have a ton of abs exercises. It's the most productive 10 minutes a day you'll ever spend!

And WTG on the running! I tend to make 5.2 my base speed. I'll bump up the speed when there's a good song on, or I'll bump up the incline every quarter mile if I'm working on that (I try to do a 2-mile incline run at least once a week). It sounds like you're building up your speed and endurance gradually, which is the proper way to do it. Keep up the great work!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 28 2009 06:36 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Did 22 minutes of s-l-o-w running on the treadmill the other day. First run since Aug. 28. Foot did not fall off.

themetfairy
Dec 28 2009 06:39 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Welcome back Lunchie!

Fman99
Dec 28 2009 06:59 AM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Did 22 minutes of s-l-o-w running on the treadmill the other day. First run since Aug. 28. Foot did not fall off.


Sweet, back in the saddle.

Ashie62
Dec 28 2009 10:50 AM
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I might be old school in that I don't use any watches, or stoopid. I know what miles I'm clipping at.

I like to go to Rutgers and start at the RAC, down to River Road...left on to Rt 18 then a right up through Douglass and Cook college and back.. Takes 2 hours at 7:15 per mile

I drink a gallon of Orange Juice when done and an extended cool down stretch.

themetfairy
Dec 28 2009 11:28 AM
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LOL Ashie - I was just going to post that I ran ten miles this morning, and that I loved using my GPS watch. I don't know my terrain as well as you do, and it was nice being able to just wing the course while keeping track of the distance.

Are you going to be doing the half marathon at Rutgers in April? It sounds like it's your regular run anyway, for the most part.

metsmarathon
Dec 28 2009 03:30 PM
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halfway through my 7-miler yesterday, i started thinking, "wow, for the first time in a long time, i don't think i could run a half marathon at the drop of a hat..."

not sure if it was the cold wintry air, or the lack of sleep talking. my two 3 milers last week were pretty rough, too. by the end of the run, i was feeling a little better about things, but make no mistake, i feel like i'm shot right now. darned kid!

themetfairy
Dec 28 2009 06:41 PM
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Having a newborn will kill ya, for sure.

It gets worse between the ages of 6 weeks (when they start staying up for huge stretches at a time) and 3 months (when, if you're desperate, you can let them cry it out while trying to get them on a decent day/night schedule). D-Dad and I were the walking zombies when our oldest was at that point.

The saving grace was that our middle guy only woke up once during the night for a feeding, and was sleeping through the night by the time he was 6 weeks old.

Fman99
Dec 28 2009 07:22 PM
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Just throwing this out there for your absorption. Fgirl has not slept through the night for two straight weeks since we moved into our house 17 months ago. Most weeks, 5-6 nights per week she cries herself awake at least once and needs someone to lay with her to help her settle.

This is after she slept through the night for 8 months straight, age 3-11 months.

She's two and a half years old.

Food for thought.

Edgy DC
Dec 28 2009 07:28 PM
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I don't know childrearing from landtillin', but this looks cool:

http://www.gotobaby.com/product/unique- ... ight-light

themetfairy
Dec 28 2009 08:05 PM
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Fman99 wrote:
Just throwing this out there for your absorption. Fgirl has not slept through the night for two straight weeks since we moved into our house 17 months ago. Most weeks, 5-6 nights per week she cries herself awake at least once and needs someone to lay with her to help her settle.

This is after she slept through the night for 8 months straight, age 3-11 months.

She's two and a half years old.

Food for thought.


As fugly as it is, you may need to let her cry it out.

I know, it suxx. But in the long run, it may be best for all of you.

Whatever you decide to try, best of luck!

Fman99
Dec 28 2009 09:14 PM
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themetfairy wrote:
Just throwing this out there for your absorption. Fgirl has not slept through the night for two straight weeks since we moved into our house 17 months ago. Most weeks, 5-6 nights per week she cries herself awake at least once and needs someone to lay with her to help her settle.

This is after she slept through the night for 8 months straight, age 3-11 months.

She's two and a half years old.

Food for thought.


As fugly as it is, you may need to let her cry it out.

I know, it suxx. But in the long run, it may be best for all of you.

Whatever you decide to try, best of luck!


We have tried that. The last time we did that, she cried herself into a coughing state and then proceeded to cough until she threw up on herself, her bed and pillow and her hair and needed to have her hair washed in the sink at 4:30 in the morning.

So, you see our dilemma.

themetfairy
Dec 29 2009 02:54 AM
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That's fuglier than I was expecting Fman.

What about a sticker calendar? For every time she sleeps through the night she'd earn a sticker, and if she gets a certain number of stickers then she'll get a reward.

Fman99
Dec 29 2009 06:27 AM
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themetfairy wrote:
That's fuglier than I was expecting Fman.

What about a sticker calendar? For every time she sleeps through the night she'd earn a sticker, and if she gets a certain number of stickers then she'll get a reward.


Yeah, that sounds nicer than my idea of moving myself to Yemen and letting Fwife raise her until she's 6 and sleeping like a human.

Edgy DC
Dec 29 2009 06:54 AM
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wikipedia wrote:
Yemenite Jews once formed a sizable Jewish minority in Yemen with a distinct culture. They also occupied key industries including silversmiths, and their influence on Yemeni culture is still discussed within the souks. However, most of them emigrated to Israel in the mid 20th century, following the Jewish exodus from Arab lands and Operation Magic Carpet. In the early 20th century, they had numbered about 50,000; they currently number only a few hundred individuals and reside largely in Sana'a. The original Jews' village is now left abandoned and is popularly known as "Bait-baws".

themetfairy
Dec 29 2009 07:37 AM
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Edgy DC wrote:
wikipedia wrote:
Yemenite Jews once formed a sizable Jewish minority in Yemen with a distinct culture. They also occupied key industries including silversmiths, and their influence on Yemeni culture is still discussed within the souks. However, most of them emigrated to Israel in the mid 20th century, following the Jewish exodus from Arab lands and Operation Magic Carpet. In the early 20th century, they had numbered about 50,000; they currently number only a few hundred individuals and reside largely in Sana'a. The original Jews' village is now left abandoned and is popularly known as "Bait-baws".


Edgy has morphed into Cliff Clavin....

Rockin' Doc
Dec 30 2009 08:43 PM
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I joined a fitness center near my house this summer. I have been lifting weights roughly 3 times a week since that time. For six months, I have stuck to weight training while avoiding the cardio machines like they were contaminated with H1N1. I generally spend 35-40 minutes going through 19 different stations on the various weight machines. When I joined the gym, my plan was to tone up and hopefully lose some weight. So far I have toned up and I am definitely stronger, but I have unfortunately gained six pounds during the six months.

So inspired by all the runners here (or possibly in a moment of weakness) I decided it was time to try the treadmill after I finished my weight training this evening. I started out running @ 7 mph because I felt good, but I quickly felt the folly of my overly optimistic pace. I pretty quickly backed off and had to walk before I collapsed. I settled into a type of interval training where I alternated 2 minutes of running at 7 mph followed by 3 minutes of walking at 4.9 mph. I started with a 1 degree slope and increased it by 0.5 degree each time I started the next 2 minute run. I ended up doing 2.86 miles in 30 minutes, which isn't very fast, but not too bad for a first try. Unfortunately, I was absolutely spent and exhausted when I finished. I shuffled out to my car and made the short drive to my house and promptly collapsed in my favorite chair. It took a half hour for me to get my energy back.

I keep telling myself that I need to make the treadmill a part of my regular workout routine if I'm going to lose some weight as I initially planned. However, I already find myself resisting the thought of taking on the treadmill again. I have a tendency to not pace myself very well so I am afraid I will either hurt myself or get discouraged and quit. Do any of the experienced runners here have any advice on how to pace myself so I don't burn out or hurt myself?

themetfairy
Dec 30 2009 09:20 PM
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The walk/run strategy is great for a beginner.

IMO, you were running very fast for a beginner this evening. I never run at 7 mph (then again, I have very, very short legs). My advice would be to start a little more slowly and gradually build up your speed and distance. In the beginning, I'd advise running about three times a week, to build yourself up without overdoing it. It's good to mix it up between treadmill runs and outdoor runs - when I'm on the treadmill it's all about the numbers, while outside running has a way different feel to it. Also mix up your outdoor routes, so you're not bored by always seeing the same scenery.

You probably gained weight while losing inches by weight training, which is a good thing. But if you're interested in losing weight, there's no substitute for cardio. Welcome to the running club RD!

metsmarathon
Dec 30 2009 11:09 PM
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damn... i just typed something up good, and absentmindedly closed the window...

moral of the story is - 7mph is fast for a rookie! you definitely might want to consider dialing it back, to avoid both injury and discouragement. (though i do like the spunk!)

one idea you might want to try is, instead of starting at 7 mph, try starting at 6 mph, and ever 5 minutes, increasing the pace by 0.1 mph until you need a walk break after the running bit. incorporate hte walk breaks, and hold the running pace steady (or keep on upping hte ante if you like). that should give you more longer bouts of continuous running, and also gives you something to gauge your progress with - how long you can hold off the walking. once you find yourself running the whole 30 minutes without walking, you can then start increasing the speed you start off at, and increasing the amount of time you spend at a given pace, until you're running the whole 30 minute at a faster pace.

another thing you could do is take a look at the couch to 5k plan on cool running. it gets you to be able to run a 5k after completing a 9 week training plan that gradually builds the amount of time / distance you're running in each workout. you should be able to skip the first two weeks of the plan if you're in better than "couch" shape, but you'll want to be running at an easier pace. cool running uses the word "jogging" which i hate. i'd suggest something feels comfortable - not a lot of pushing forward, but not too much pulling back either. 6 mph again might be a good starting point. bottom line is, it's better to start out too slow than to start out too fast. if the workouts are too easy at 6 mph, increase the pace. i guess i'd say that the pace you want to do the workouts at is "just fast enough that you won't still be too sore for the next workout two days later."

the goal is, right now, to increase the duration of your running, and hopefully establish good running habits. not to set any land speed records

as an aside, that couch to 5k plan is what mrs.mm will be using once she's allowed to start running again. she's planning on taking it easy as she gets back on the horse. i expect along the way that we'll be accelerating the plan as she gets into it, but couch to 5k will still be providing the framework.

oe: also, awesome start, and keep it up! i'll trick you into running a marathon next :D

metsmarathon
Dec 31 2009 04:14 PM
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well, the final tally is in, and despite a lackluster accumulation of mileage in december (only 52 miles!), i've logged a total of 1,187 miles in 2009. not too bad, if i do say so myself. that basically takes me from my door, to port st. lucie, with 5 miles to spare! i'd like to set 1500 miles as a target for next year, but we'll see - i have a feeling minimm might chew into some of my running time!

this past year, i set pr's in just about every distance: 5k, 5M, 8M, 10M, half marathon, and full marathon. the only key distance i missed was the 10k, but i didn't really run any of them this year, so i feel like i've got an excuse!

the real running goal for 2010 is to [stay healthy for once and] get even faster, and also to help the wife get back into marathon shape, en route to her own pr in her 10th marathon. i'm really looking forward to pushing a running stroller up and down the hills of sussex county while following her around during her long runs!

i hope all you runners had a good year as well, and wish you a happier, healthier, and stronger 2010!

Fman99
Dec 31 2009 07:54 PM
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I ran 48 miles in December.. missed that 50 mile mark by a single workout. That's OK, I feel good and I've already started a list of prospective 5k races in the area for 2010.

Rockin Doc -- if you're more interested in weight loss you might also want to try the ellipticals and crosstrainers. They will allow you to get a good sweat going without the impact of running on a treadmill. I have used them for many years with success.

themetfairy
Jan 01 2010 02:13 AM
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marathon - you awe me!

And Fman - nice month!

I haven't gotten into the habit of tracking my monthly miles. I think I would find it a distraction, although I do think it's cool to look back upon how many miles you've run over a length of time.

Meanwhile, I started off the New Year by running the Emerald Nuts Midnight Run in Central Park. My finishing time was 51:21. But considering that it took me a full eight minutes to get to the start and that there was a lot of slush and iciness on the course, I'm pleased with my performance.

themetfairy
Jan 01 2010 12:37 PM
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As a last minute decision, I ran the Hamilton Hangover 5-mile race this afternoon. Finished in 55:45, which I'm pleased with. 9 miles so far in 2010!



And I started a spreadsheet to keep track of my mileage. I won't get as far as marathon, but I'll see how far I go this year :)

metsmarathon
Jan 01 2010 02:07 PM
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so far, you're in the lead! i might go for a run tomorrow, but i've been holding off as i'm trying to recover from a cold.

themetfairy
Jan 01 2010 09:52 PM
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Sorry you're not feeling well.

I'll cherish my lead as long as it lasts. Like when Tom Seaver led the league in triples ;)

themetfairy
Jan 02 2010 12:54 PM
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themetfairy wrote:
I need you guys to reassure me that the fact that my left knee has been slightly sore for a couple of weeks won't stop me from running the Marathon in 348 days.


FWIW, my knee is feeling 98% healthy today. Considering the amount of running I did over New Year's, I find this incredibly reassuring.

And I did buy an exercise bike the other day for my rest days/cross-training days. Having it in the house, set up in front of the basement TV, makes it more likely that I'll actually use the thing.

themetfairy
Jan 02 2010 12:58 PM
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metsmarathon wrote:
themetfairy wrote:
What really killed about that hill on Faculty Road was that it was in the third mile on both of the 5K routes I've run there.


that's just mean!

i'd guess its fairly similar to that hill in bermuda, but again, i'm a little unsure of bermuda's exact topography. especially when viewed through the lens of mapmyrun or google maps.


FWIW, the race that was held at this location has moved to a different part of Princeton. I guess I wasn't the only person who was unhappy with that hill at the end.

themetfairy
Jan 07 2010 06:00 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

I got into the NYC Half Marathon through its lottery :)

I was planning on running the race with the Tug McGraw Foundation anyway, but this way my fundraising obligation only goes up by $300 (instead of $1,000).

metsmarathon
Jan 07 2010 08:42 AM
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aw crap - i had meant to apply for that...

congrats though. i think i did it the first year, when it was run in august. let me tell you, that sucked! so hard did that suck! march is a much better time for it.

themetfairy
Jan 07 2010 09:01 AM
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Thanks mm. Sorry that we won't be running it together, though :(

A Boy Named Seo
Jan 07 2010 10:11 AM
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So you're doing the half or the full?

themetfairy
Jan 07 2010 10:19 AM
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A Boy Named Seo wrote:
So you're doing the half or the full?


Both. Half in March, Full in November (T-minus 304 days, or 10 months from today ).

A Boy Named Seo
Jan 07 2010 10:21 AM
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Jeepers. You're a mad woman.

Go get 'em.

themetfairy
Jan 07 2010 11:13 AM
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For the next ten months I'm a woman possessed. After that, I'll go back to my mild-mannered 5K runs.

And thanks :)

metsmarathon
Jan 07 2010 11:42 AM
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themetfairy wrote:
For the next ten months I'm a woman possessed. After that, I'll go back to my mild-mannered 5K runs.


yeah... that's what i thought nine years ago... :p

themetfairy
Jan 07 2010 12:20 PM
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metsmarathon wrote:
For the next ten months I'm a woman possessed. After that, I'll go back to my mild-mannered 5K runs.


yeah... that's what i thought nine years ago... :p


Yes, but nine years ago you were something like 25 years younger than my current age (eek!).

themetfairy
Jan 08 2010 10:43 AM
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I just got my rejection letter for the Empire State Building Run Up.

I knew that getting in was a longshot. But it would have been cool.

I'll try again next year....

themetfairy
Jan 08 2010 09:18 PM
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Bermuda is a week away. And I'm getting nervous. Really nervous.

The distances don't concern me - I've run 10Ks and a half marathon in the past, and I can handle the distances. But the hills are intimidating me. Granted, when I ran the 10K two years ago I was only running three times a week, I had never run more than 10K before, and I was 40 pounds heavier. Plus I've been doing incline training on my treadmill. So intellectually I know that I should be able to handle the hills this time around.

But until I actually conquer them, I'm going to be nervous....

themetfairy
Jan 09 2010 08:22 AM
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OK - I'm feeling a little less panicked this morning. I just did a 5K treadmill run, and every quarter mile I upped the incline to 6.0 for one tenth of a mile (for the final tenth of a mile I upped it to 7.5). I think I'm ready for the hills of Bermuda.

Once I conquer this, no hill I'm going to face the rest of the year is going to scare me!

metsmarathon
Jan 12 2010 11:59 AM
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sigh. i was totally going to go for a run at lunchtime today - i brought my gym bag into the office, packed with my running gear... except for one key item. i mean, i remembered to bring sneakers, socks, watch, sunglasses, a long sleeve t-shirt, and shortsleeve shirt for under it.... and i brought shorts, too.

it's 25 degrees out, and feels like 19.

i'm not running in that without long pants.

i could've wandered up to the gym and run there at lunch, but i'm really not in the mood for treadmill running right now.

and so, inactivity will win out on the day! yay!

themetfairy
Jan 12 2010 12:08 PM
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Hey - tomorrow will be a nicer day for a run anyway!

themetfairy
Jan 14 2010 06:01 AM
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10K - T-minus 49 Hours
Half Marathon - T-Minus 71 Hours
My Stomach - Full of butterflies....

themetfairy
Jan 14 2010 08:53 AM
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I just did an easy 2-mile run. I never thought I'd consider a 2-miler to ever be easy, but it really felt relaxed. I won't run tomorrow, in preparation for the races this weekend.

So far I have logged 40.5 miles in January. I have no frame of reference for this - is that a good number?

metsmarathon
Jan 14 2010 09:24 AM
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themetfairy wrote:
I just did an easy 2-mile run. I never thought I'd consider a 2-miler to ever be easy, but it really felt relaxed. I won't run tomorrow, in preparation for the races this weekend.

So far I have logged 40.5 miles in January. I have no frame of reference for this - is that a good number?


um, i'm a shade under 25 miles for the month...

looks like you might have a good shot at a 100 mile month. those are always cool.

themetfairy
Jan 14 2010 09:47 AM
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metsmarathon wrote:
themetfairy wrote:
I just did an easy 2-mile run. I never thought I'd consider a 2-miler to ever be easy, but it really felt relaxed. I won't run tomorrow, in preparation for the races this weekend.

So far I have logged 40.5 miles in January. I have no frame of reference for this - is that a good number?


um, i'm a shade under 25 miles for the month...

looks like you might have a good shot at a 100 mile month. those are always cool.


Well, after this weekend I'll be close to 60. But next week is going to be a recovery week for me.

And I am taking your advice about making sure I get in at least one 20-mile run in my marathon training. I just traded Facebook messages from a woman in my running group who wants to train for the Broad Street Run. That's the same day as my first marathon; I'm thinking that I can meet her in my local park and run 10 training miles with her, and then head back home in my direction once she's done with her miles (perhaps meeting D-Dad for the last few miles....).

themetfairy
Jan 14 2010 04:46 PM
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marathon - I'm in need of last minute advice!

1) Do I have to worry much about salt or too much hydration for a half marathon?

2) I'll be taking a 2-hour flight home approximately five hours after I finish the half marathon. Should I be worried about that?

metsmarathon
Jan 14 2010 07:48 PM
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nah. as long as you're not taking two or three or more cups of water at each mile, you shouldn't be too concerned about drinking too much of it. and you should be fine with salt if you mix in a gatorade or two either before or during. i doubt you'd need a salt tab or anything like that, especially with the weather being kindof perfect, iirc.

i wouldn't be too worried about the flight. just make sure to stay somewhat mobile after the race, perhaps stretching lightly, and your legs shouldn't cramp up in the air. at least not too badly.

good luck!

themetfairy
Jan 14 2010 07:57 PM
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Thanks marathon. I appreciate the assurances and advice.

The weather should be fine - low to mid 60's, with a 30% chance of showers. The hotel is about a five minute walk from the race, so I'll necessarily be walking around a bit after the race. And thankfully it's a short flight.

I'll try to be cognizant of the ups and downs of the marathon course, so that mrs. m will know what to expect next year :)

themetfairy
Jan 15 2010 04:19 AM
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Eek - here goes nothing!

I'll report back after the weekend :)

themetfairy
Jan 16 2010 05:08 AM
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Hi from Bermuda. I have a little time before I have to leave for the 10K, so I thought I'd post.

We arrived yesterday. On our cab ride to the hotel we took the North Shore Road. I'm going to have some hills to climb there - today for the 10K and tomorrow for the half marathon. Then we made the turn and saw the hill towards the soccer stadium, which is daunting.

While we were walking downtown later in the afternoon, I saw a similar hill between Front Street and Reid Street. I decided to run it, just to see how I did, and it felt fine. Granted, that was just one hill, but I recall that one killing me in the past just when I walked it. I'm glad I ran it, because it saved me from having nightmares about facing the 10K hills today.

But face them so I must, so I'm outta here and off to the stadium in a few minutes.

themetfairy
Jan 16 2010 09:10 AM
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I finished the 10K in 1:09:48. No land speed record, but I ran the entire time. The hills were rough, but they didn't kill me this year. I'm exhausted, but thrilled :)

After this, the half marathon tomorrow will seem like a walk in the park.

cooby
Jan 16 2010 09:24 AM
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Good for you! See, you have improved, and that is what you have wanted all along :)

Now relax and enjoy that weather!

(Btw, it's in the 40s here, so it's not beating us by that much, oh hahaha)

cooby
Jan 16 2010 09:26 AM
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And to think I am planning on walking up to the Post Office sometime this weekend, maybe

themetfairy
Jan 16 2010 09:43 AM
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LOL - thanks cooby :)

metsmarathon
Jan 16 2010 10:29 AM
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well, i'm inspired to go out and run maybe 10 miles today, with a big ol hill in there!

congrats on beating that 10k! tomorrow you conquer the half marathon, and make all of bermuda your bitch.

themetfairy
Jan 16 2010 11:04 AM
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LOL - thanks marathon :)

BTW, your analysis of the course proved very helpful. I studied what you had written earlier in this thread, and made sure I kept some gas in the tank for those final hills. I saw people walking those hills, and remembered what it was like being one of them. Thank you so much for your help!

New York should be easy in comparison to this, right?

metsmarathon
Jan 16 2010 11:15 AM
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well, the hills aren't as steep!

themetfairy
Jan 16 2010 11:26 AM
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Thank G-d!

themetfairy
Jan 17 2010 08:05 AM
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I finished the half marathon in just over two and a half hours. It was rigorous, but not as bad as yesterday's course. As with yesterday's race, marathon's recognizance was spot on.

I need to get ready to leave the hotel and head home - more details either tonight or tomorrow :)

metsmarathon
Jan 17 2010 09:12 AM
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congrats!

themetfairy
Jan 17 2010 11:56 AM
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Thanks :)

My official finishing time was 2:31:10. Only a half minute slower then Newport Liberty, which is pretty impressive considering how much hillier this course is.

You were spot on about the hills, but be forewarned that you're correct about the roller coaster nature of the course. The bigger problem on the North Shore Road was traffic, though - cars, mopeds, skaters, and even buses!

Also, Mrs. M shouldn't have her heart set on getting small race shirts; they didn't have any!

But overall, I'm very happy to have gotten the monkey off of my back. I'm sore, but have a great sense of accomplishment :)

cooby
Jan 17 2010 05:04 PM
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Wonderful! How's the ol' legs feeling?

themetfairy
Jan 17 2010 06:34 PM
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The legs aren't bad. A little tight, but nothing that's holding me back.

Fman99
Jan 17 2010 07:47 PM
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themetfairy wrote:
Thanks :)

My official finishing time was 2:31:10. Only a half minute slower then Newport Liberty, which is pretty impressive considering how much hillier this course is.

You were spot on about the hills, but be forewarned that you're correct about the roller coaster nature of the course. The bigger problem on the North Shore Road was traffic, though - cars, mopeds, skaters, and even buses!

Also, Mrs. M shouldn't have her heart set on getting small race shirts; they didn't have any!

But overall, I'm very happy to have gotten the monkey off of my back. I'm sore, but have a great sense of accomplishment :)


You're my hero, so great.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jan 17 2010 08:05 PM
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Congrats.

themetfairy
Jan 17 2010 08:36 PM
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Fman99 wrote:
Thanks :)

My official finishing time was 2:31:10. Only a half minute slower then Newport Liberty, which is pretty impressive considering how much hillier this course is.

You were spot on about the hills, but be forewarned that you're correct about the roller coaster nature of the course. The bigger problem on the North Shore Road was traffic, though - cars, mopeds, skaters, and even buses!

Also, Mrs. M shouldn't have her heart set on getting small race shirts; they didn't have any!

But overall, I'm very happy to have gotten the monkey off of my back. I'm sore, but have a great sense of accomplishment :)


You're my hero, so great.


Awww - thanks Fman!

(And thanks Lunchie)

Fman99
Jan 18 2010 01:25 PM
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These sick kids are cramping my running schedule... didn't run Friday or today as I am home caring for my wee ones. I did get to the gym Saturday afternoon at least.

Still running a 5k on average 3 times per week, I'd like to run 4 or 5 times per week but life keeps getting in the way. As long as I am regularly running I feel good about it. My current pace is at about 5.7 MPH/33 minutes to complete the distance.

themetfairy
Jan 18 2010 02:08 PM
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Fman99 wrote:
These sick kids are cramping my running schedule... didn't run Friday or today as I am home caring for my wee ones. I did get to the gym Saturday afternoon at least.

Still running a 5k on average 3 times per week, I'd like to run 4 or 5 times per week but life keeps getting in the way. As long as I am regularly running I feel good about it. My current pace is at about 5.7 MPH/33 minutes to complete the distance.


It sounds like you're doing great Fman - it took me a long time to get to the point where you are now (and even now I generally don't run that quickly). WTG!

I'm still looking for a good CPF run on the NYRR.org site, but so far haven't found anything of interest.

themetfairy
Jan 19 2010 02:34 PM
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Running the Bermuda International Half Marathon -

themetfairy
Jan 23 2010 09:52 AM
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OK - I'm done with Bermuda. No other race will have the kind of hills that I dealt with there (both the steepness and the large number of them). No other half marathon that I have on the schedule (NYC Half in March, Rutgers in April, and maybe the Philadelphia Distance Run in September) will scare me, because those courses are significantly flatter than Bermuda. I'm cahnfident that I'll do well (for me - I'll never be fast) on these courses.

My problem right now is getting my head around the concept of running my first marathon on May 2nd. The NJ Marathon is a flat course, so intellectually I know I should be ok (if I did the Bermuda Half Marathon, in dog miles that has to be the equivalent of a flat 18-mile run), but psychologically the concept of 26 miles is starting to scare me.

I know there are long runs in my future - I have them mapped out on my calendar. I also know that there is benefit in working up to them slowly and in not peaking too early.

I guess what I'm looking for is reassurance that I can actually run a marathon. If I ran Bermuda, hills and all, in 2:31:10, I should be able to run a flat marathon in May, right?

metsmarathon
Jan 23 2010 11:09 AM
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absolutely (as long as you do your long runs :D )!

the nice thing about the NJM, is that you can mentally break it down into two half marathons. so for the first half, you really don't need to think about the second half. and then in the second half, after you finish wrapping you mind around the whole "i have to do that again?!" just mentally block out the fact that you just finished a half a freakin' marathon, and just worry about running that half. (new york also has a natural halfway point in exiting brooklyn, so the same strategy can apply there too)

and its even easier if you've done your long runs. because then, up until you hit 20 miles, its nothing new. and then, once you hit 20 miles in, whats another 10k, right, when you can run 20 friggin' miles already?

the hard part, really, is getting through february, and its typical disheartening, discouraging, and disrupting weather. make it a point to stick to your schedule as best you can through february, and the march and april runs will come so much easier that you'll really feel like you're peaking in time for the marathon!

and most importantly, you CAN do this. the opposite of that thought cannot enter your head. its kindof like a closer's mentality - failure can never be an option.

btw, that's a great photo - you look really strong! are you charging up a hill there?

themetfairy
Jan 23 2010 11:22 AM
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Thanks mm - I appreciate the advice as well as the encouragement :)

And thanks about the picture. No, not charging uphill there. That was somewhere around the 8 or 9 mile mark. I didn't start breaking down until about the 10 mile mark, but at that point what was another 5k? ;)

themetfairy
Jan 26 2010 03:07 PM
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So I'm starting to wrap my mind around a long run schedule. With the NJ Marathon about 13 weeks away (May 2nd), I'm going to run 10 miles tomorrow (I think I'm going to wind up making Wednesdays my long run days most weeks). I don't know if I'll do a long run every week, but I'll strive to do one every week to week and a half. I know I need to do 20 miles about three weeks before the marathon, and then taper back after that. I figure I'm in good shape, having run a half marathon recently and having two more halfs coming up between now and the big day.

If I get in a 16 mile run, an 18 mile run and two 20 mile runs between now and early April, is it ok to make the other long runs more in the 10-12 mile range?

metsmarathon
Jan 26 2010 07:31 PM
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yup. there's a good chance the 16-miler'll be the toughest among your long runs.

honestly, its a sound approach. leading up to our first (and second, i think) marathons, we did long runs of 14/16/18/20/20, which is essentially what you're going to be doing, minus a whopping 0.8 miles :p! and breaking up the progression with a half marathon-type distance, or even a 10 miler, is a good idea, too, to keep you fresh and kindof-sortof sane throughout.

i'm currently trying to figure out what my spring race schedule will hold. i'm considering doing any, all, or none of the rutgers half, long branch half, and the superhero half (mid may, morristown nj, organized by those fine chaps who orchestreated that ufo hoax, and benefiting the christopher reeve foundation), as well as three or four other races (5ks and 5 milers) that i'd be looking for PRs in...

themetfairy
Jan 26 2010 07:51 PM
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PLEASE do Rutgers and/or Long Branch! I'd love to hang out with you before one or both of the races.

Rutgers is going to be a blast - they're really going to make it into a big festival!

Fman99
Jan 26 2010 08:41 PM
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Training update:

I've gone from my first run, in November, of 4.3 MPH/30 min/2.15 miles to my run today, 5.85 MPH/32 min/3.1 miles, and I've made some observations as I get faster in my runs.

(Once I got to doing 3.1 to 3.2 miles per run, at about 5.3 MPH and 36 minutes, I started dropping down the time while simultaneously increasing the speed. Gets me out of the gym and home faster.)

First, is that running a mile at 0% incline at 5.9 MPH is substantially easier than running a mile at a 1% incline at 5.8 MPH. That incline makes it tough!

Second, is that as I go faster, what I get out of my upper body really makes a difference. At slower speeds my legs were doing all the work and the rest of my body is just kind of along for the ride. Going faster I have to think more about my chest, shoulders, arms and torso and how I can keep myself moving at that rate.

I feel great. Specifically, my ankles and knees and hip, which hurt not a bit even after zooming around (for me) on the treadmill at continuously higher speeds.

The target time and speed remains 30 minutes at 6.2 MPH. Should be there in another 3-4 weeks.

themetfairy
Jan 26 2010 08:49 PM
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WTG Fman! Great job!

themetfairy
Jan 27 2010 10:49 AM
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I went out this morning with the goal of running 20 miles.

I knew that was a tall order - I had never run more than a half marathon before. But I gave it a try.

I was good up until about 15 miles, and then started tiring. I hit the wall at about 17 miles - I just couldn't go any further. The problem was that I was a decent distance from home, so I had to get back on my own power. I wound up alternating walking and jogging home.

If I had my GPS watch, I would have run differently and have stayed closer to home. But since the watch died in Bermuda, I sent it in for a replacement (which, of course, UPS delivered right after I got home).

Normally I'd be disappointed about falling short of my goal, but instead I'm pleased with stretching my long run about 4 miles longer than my previous long run. I also liked seeing that I could get into running/walking late in a run if I had to - that gives me some confidence about my ability to finish my marathons, even if I run into trouble.

My shoulder blade started hurting during the run - it eventually loosened up, but it was annoying. My left foot also hurt a bit late in the run - I may reconsider buying more cushioned runners before the NJ Marathon.

Also, I have now run 96.85 miles this month. So for perhaps the only time of my life, I'm going to have a 100 mile month :)

Aside from the fact that I'm tired, sweaty and in pain, I'm feeling pretty good about what I accomplished this morning.

Swan Swan H
Jan 27 2010 11:13 AM
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I’ve never been a runner, and certainly haven’t been in good enough shape to do so for many years, but I’ve dropped 76 pounds since May and I thought that in addition to going to the gym a bit of running would be a good way to keep myself motivated.

A few weeks ago I started the Couch to 5K plan that Marathon mentioned a few pages back. I decided that since I was starting from total couchiness that I’d double the amount of time I spent on each of the steps, turning a nine week plan into eighteen weeks. This puts me on pace to run my first 5K in May, and I have already registered to do so.

I have a pretty basic treadmill at the house, and I’ve been doing the work on the treadmill so far. Once the weather warms up a bit I plan to take it outside. Anyway, I’m on the second phase and I haven’t yet collapsed on the floor clutching my chest, so I suppose that if I keep at it I’ll be able to get through 5K by the time it comes around.

A Boy Named Seo
Jan 27 2010 11:22 AM
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WOW, fantastic stuff, Swan. Keep up the great work.

And Fman and Fairy and everyone else. I've been crap and run just a few times this month, but reading all this stuff makes me want to get off my lazy arse again.

themetfairy
Jan 27 2010 12:07 PM
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A Boy Named Seo wrote:
WOW, fantastic stuff, Swan. Keep up the great work.

And Fman and Fairy and everyone else. I've been crap and run just a few times this month, but reading all this stuff makes me want to get off my lazy arse again.


You'll never run again now that you've joined the fancy schmancy gym ;)

(j/k - you'll do great).

Good luck Swan on your first 5K.

themetfairy
Jan 27 2010 12:20 PM
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One good thing is that my body is bouncing back. When I got home today, I figured I'd be useless for the rest of the day, but for the most part I'm pretty much back to normal already.

metsmarathon
Jan 27 2010 12:39 PM
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Aside from the fact that I'm tired, sweaty and in pain, I'm feeling pretty good about what I accomplished this morning.


other than that, mrs. lincoln, how did you enjoy the play? :p

wow, jumping up to 20 miles from 13.1! yikes - that's gutsy - but it does highlight what i mean about the new miles... i'm not sure if i'm more impressed that you tried for 20, or that you got in 17! good job!

what's nice is, in addition to the 17 miles of actual running, your body should have gotten a fair amount of benefit from covering those last three miles with the walking/jogging. also, i think its a good thing to know what the wall feels like, and to know that once you hit it, you're still capable of covering ground, albeit in a more diminished, fitful capacity!

the next time you go out for a long run, you should find that those first 15-17 miles will be easier than today. but please, at least do a 16 miler before your next 20! er, well, you already did one... so, uh, i guess, at least do an 18 miler! seriously, consider only doing a 16 miler for your next long run, and incrementally build up to the 20 - you'll get the most benefit from the training that way, and have the greatest chance of success, imo.

but day-yum, going from "do i really gotta run 20 miles" to "eh, lets see if i can run 20 miles today" in, like, a flash! i hardly know what to say, other than "welcome to the club of crazy runners!"

Swan Swan H
Jan 27 2010 12:41 PM
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Thanks. I don't think I'll ever get up to where you guys are, but I enjoy reading about your achievements and really do get inspiration from them.

metsmarathon
Jan 27 2010 12:54 PM
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awesome work, swannie! you should find that running outdoors in the real world is so much nicer and freer than spending time on a treadmill. i'm honestly not sure if i would ever have gotten into running if i had started on one, so its really great that you're able to keep it up. that's just excellent dedication you should be proud of. ditto to you, fman!

i've noticed that when i run on a treadmill, 0% incline feels weird to me, so i always set it to 0.5%. i don't know why it is... i think maybe 0% feels like i'm actually running downhill (maybe the treadmills at the gym aren't flat?) whereas the incline keeps me from feeling like i'm at any minute about to go hurtling off the front end of a rubber band... or i could be doing it to put less stress, be it real or imagined, on my knee. i forget now if i originally had a good reason, but its what i do.

themetfairy
Jan 27 2010 01:01 PM
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Aside from the fact that I'm tired, sweaty and in pain, I'm feeling pretty good about what I accomplished this morning.


other than that, mrs. lincoln, how did you enjoy the play? :p

wow, jumping up to 20 miles from 13.1! yikes - that's gutsy - but it does highlight what i mean about the new miles... i'm not sure if i'm more impressed that you tried for 20, or that you got in 17! good job!

what's nice is, in addition to the 17 miles of actual running, your body should have gotten a fair amount of benefit from covering those last three miles with the walking/jogging. also, i think its a good thing to know what the wall feels like, and to know that once you hit it, you're still capable of covering ground, albeit in a more diminished, fitful capacity!

the next time you go out for a long run, you should find that those first 15-17 miles will be easier than today. but please, at least do a 16 miler before your next 20! er, well, you already did one... so, uh, i guess, at least do an 18 miler! seriously, consider only doing a 16 miler for your next long run, and incrementally build up to the 20 - you'll get the most benefit from the training that way, and have the greatest chance of success, imo.

but day-yum, going from "do i really gotta run 20 miles" to "eh, lets see if i can run 20 miles today" in, like, a flash! i hardly know what to say, other than "welcome to the club of crazy runners!"


Thanks mm.

The thought process, if you can call it that, was, "I'm tired of being daunted by the concept of running 20 miles, so let me just get it the hell out of the way." Up until the 16 mile mark or so, I really thought that I would. It was good for me to see that this wasn't going to be as easy as I thought it would; it makes me appreciate the need to do these long runs, even if I'm not going to like them....

The distance home from the point I gave up was something like a mile and a half or a mile and three quarters - I took the direct route rather than the running path I had planned on. But I agree - it was reassuring to know I had something left in the tank even after I needed to stop.

I'll probably go back down to something like 10 miles next week, and try 16 or 18 in another couple of weeks or so. The good news is that I'm ahead of schedule due to my half marathons, so I can afford to take some time off before trying another long run.

I'm wondering whether my food intake was a factor in hitting the wall. I did have a half bagel with cheese this morning, and ate mini bagels and sports jellybeans during the run. However, I didn't eat a lot of carbs yesterday, plus I had a glass of wine with dinner and a drink in the evening. I'll probably have to plan out my food a little more wisely before future long runs (at least for the ones that exceed 10 miles).

And thanks for approving of the intent rather than berating me for exceeding the training plan so drastically :)

metsmarathon
Jan 27 2010 01:19 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

bad metfairy! bad! (its actually a very commendable and understandable thought process)

the alcohol may've led to you being more dehydrated during the run, but prior to at least 7 of my marathons, i've typically had two glasses of wine the night before with dinner. i think as long as you don't get sloshed the night before, and drink plenty of fluids, the negative effects are probably minimal. but hey, you were trying to get some additional carbs, right? right?

i usually have two buttered bagels the morning of a long run along with my coffee. but then, i'll usually have two buttered bagels every weekend morning, which necessitates going for along run, so its something of a chicken-and-egg situation there. mmm, french toast bagels... so addicting... so good... so... hungry now...

remember, over the course of a 20 mile run, you'll be burning up to 2000 calories, or more. so you do have to plan to eat accordingly.

themetfairy
Jan 27 2010 01:56 PM
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I think that planning is the key word ;)

I did take along a couple of mini bagels today along with my sports jellybeans, plus a water bottle. I'm sure I wasn't dehydrated.

I only allow myself a bagel with melted havarti on days that I have long runs. It's my special treat :)

The concept of burning up 2,000 calories clicks more with my Weight Watchers mindset than it does with the running mindset - Cool!

themetfairy
Jan 27 2010 02:58 PM
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marathon - I'm toying with the idea of buying a backpack to store my drinks and calories for long runs.

What are your thoughts about this? Good idea or too cumbersome?

I have used a waistpack, but I find that it's not convenient enough plus it doesn't hold enough stuff. And when the weather gets better, I wouldn't be able to stow any excess layers in it. Which is why I'm thinking that a backpack may suit my needs better.

themetfairy
Jan 28 2010 09:48 AM
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BTW, part of my thinking yesterday was that a 20 mile run would get me to almost 100 miles for the month of January.

I didn't get there yesterday, but with 3.2 miles this morning I got to 100.05 miles for the month so far :)

I may never hit this milestone again - the back to back races New Year's and in Bermuda definitely upped my mileage. But I'm excited to have reached the milestone at least once in my life :)

metsmarathon
Jan 28 2010 10:12 AM
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i'd probably advise against a backpack, as its a lot of heft to carry around, and the jostling around of its contents would be really distracting to me. of course, if you mean a camelback, that might actually be a good idea, though i don't know how much storage capacity they have other than the water reservoir...

personally, i'm thrilled that in the summer, i don't need to carry anything with me, aside from maybe a few gu's in a pocket, or a superlight waist pack, thanks to the water fountains that ring my lake.

i also don't end up stripping off any layers as i run, except maybe my gloves, as i find it better to start out knowing you'll warm up along the way than to overheat and then have to lug around an extra shirt. granted, i've also had occasions where i wish i had that one extra layer when a cold winter wind starts blowing across said lake...

i'd be surprised if you don't hit 100 miles again. its only 25 miles per week, and you'll readily exceed that with the long runs. march should top 100 miles easy, as i expect that you'll have 16, 18, and 20 mile long runs then, and with the 31st a wednseday, you get 5 long runs that month. and september also has 5 wednesdays right when you'll be piling on the mileage! you might even sneak up close to 100 miles in feb and april.

me, i'm at 63 miles for the month. i'll hit 80 miles before its up, and might make a run at 90...

Fman99
Jan 28 2010 10:18 AM
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Between my own illnesses and my childrens' in January, and a work trip, I am going to be lucky to hit 35 miles this month. I have kept on point best as I could and have been to the gym at least two times every week this month.

But after running 48 miles in December it's a bit disappointing. Ah well.

February is already looking promising - also because I'll be able to run outside when in Cali (for work) and Florida (on vacation).

themetfairy
Jan 28 2010 10:33 AM
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mm - thanks for the advice. I'll definitely look at the running backpacks in stores before making a decision. Maybe I'll find a waistpack that has enough room for my needs.

Plus I'm going to start experimenting with the GU gels. My coach from Team McGraw thinks I bonked yesterday because I wasn't consuming enough calories during the long run, and this is a good time to give those things a try.

Meanwhile, running over 60 miles with a new baby in the house is remarkable - WTG!

Fman - you put me to shame by getting to the point that you've reached so quickly. Keep up the great work!

A Boy Named Seo
Jan 28 2010 11:49 AM
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Thumbs up on the GU gels. Tried to run 13 one time with a bottle of water and got annoyed by it and chucked the thing out at like mile 2. Next time I did it, I had 2 gel packs and used just 1 and I was cool. Don't think I could tolerate a backpack or even a Camelpack, I bet, but those things are cool.

Ran 5 on a treadmill last night for the first time in my life and got blisters. Weird. Think I just need to get used to the thing a little. Felt like I had vertigo when I got off.

themetfairy
Jan 28 2010 12:40 PM
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I got a blister during the Bermuda Half Marathon, which was a first for me.

If you haven't been running much lately and you ran more last night than you ever have before, it makes sense that you'd feel lightheaded afterwards.

Thanks for the GU rec. I will pick up some different ones over the weekend and try them out.

I'm extra mad that Propel Water doesn't come in a sports bottle anymore - I used to love running with them. Now I'm going to have to buy sports water and put it in separate bottles before my long runs. Which obviously isn't the biggest inconvenience in the world, but since I generally run in the precaffeinated state it just seems like extra work....

Fman99
Jan 28 2010 08:19 PM
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themetfairy wrote:
mm - thanks for the advice. I'll definitely look at the running backpacks in stores before making a decision. Maybe I'll find a waistpack that has enough room for my needs.

Plus I'm going to start experimenting with the GU gels. My coach from Team McGraw thinks I bonked yesterday because I wasn't consuming enough calories during the long run, and this is a good time to give those things a try.

Meanwhile, running over 60 miles with a new baby in the house is remarkable - WTG!

Fman - you put me to shame by getting to the point that you've reached so quickly. Keep up the great work!


Thanks MF. Gosh, you're such a supportive person :)

themetfairy
Jan 28 2010 08:20 PM
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LOL - Thanks Fman :)

themetfairy
Jan 29 2010 09:20 AM
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I just bought a dozen different gel packs.

Even better, I made a spreadsheet for myself, so I can remember which ones I like and which ones I don't.

themetfairy
Jan 30 2010 08:09 AM
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Today I tried my first gel pack. I may never go back.

It was a Cliff Shot. Strawberry. Decent taste and consistency. I made sure to have water with it.

I consumed (Ate? Drank? What does one say?) it about ten minutes before hitting the treadmill (it's 15 degrees outside - I wasn't going to run 5 miles in that!). I planned on running a slow 5 miles, but I felt good throughout the run and upped the speed when a good video came on VH1 (don't judge me - when you're on the treadmill, you'll take any distraction you can get!). I finished the five miles in 55:33, which is a good three minutes faster than I expected, and I felt good throughout the run.

I was concerned because this was my first long run since my attempt at 20 miles on Wednesday. My shoulder blade killed me Wednesday, so I made sure to shrug and loosen it a lot today. That seems to have worked - I felt good during the run and am no worse for wear now. Also, the ball of my left foot was killing me late in the run on Wednesday; it was a little sore when I started today, but felt better as I went along.

At just over three months away from the NJ Marathon (and T-Minus 281 days until NYC) I'm feeling better about my ability to run 26.2 miles than I felt the other day.

metsmarathon
Jan 30 2010 11:58 AM
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i always go with something noncommittal, like "took" or "had," but sometimes mix it up with "sucked it down"

and good call on the running indoors! i skipped yesterday's run, and decided to only do 5 miles today. i won't hit 90 miles this month, but will live to see 80 if i can run 8 tomorrow.

brr...

themetfairy
Jan 30 2010 12:43 PM
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We just got FiOS. The new television options in the basement suddenly make the treadmill a lot more palatable (Comcast had been gradually taking channels off of the basic feed).

Distractions aside, I've grown to enjoy mixing in the treadmill runs with the outdoor runs. The outdoor runs are more pleasant, but I get to push myself more on the treadmill (both in terms of mixing up the speed and also increasing the incline some days).

BTW, I know that the inclines in the NY Marathon are nothing like Bermuda's. But since the Central Park hills are late in the Marathon, I'm planning on keeping one run a week a 2-miler where I increase the incline every quarter mile. Before Bermuda I was picking up the incline even beyond that so that I'd be at 7 or 7.5 by the end. For the Marathon, is 5.5 or 6 a sufficient training incline?

themetfairy
Jan 31 2010 08:37 AM
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The final number is in - for the month of January I ran 108.15 miles :)

I did ok with the GU gel pack this morning. I think the Cliff Shot digested better, but the GU was ok. The gingerbread has a bit of an aftertaste, but that didn't bother me all that much.

FiOS gives me more VH1 channels, so now I'll always be able to find music for my running. This is a major benefit!

Tomorrow is another month. And a short one. And one where I won't be running back to back races. Plus I'll be going to spring training for a weekend. So I'm not expecting any impressive mileage this month. But three months away from the NJ Marathon, I'll keep plugging along. And trying out my new gel packs....

themetfairy
Feb 02 2010 09:17 AM
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marathon - do Gel Packs contain electrolytes?

If so, can one get away with drinking water on a long run so long as one is regularly sucking down the GUs? Or are sports drinks still necessary during long runs?

Thanks.

BTW, I found a good backpack while shopping in the basement. One of the kids old backpacks is very, very light. It'll hold a couple of water bottles (the longer I run, the lighter the pack will get) and gel packs, and I can put my keys and cell phone in the outside pocket (presumably they'll stay far enough away from my sweaty body so that the phone won't get wet. Maybe I'll put the phone in a Ziplock bag just to play it safe, though....)).

Fman99
Feb 02 2010 09:07 PM
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Ran my first sub-10 minute mile today on the treadmill. I am about a week away from my original November goal of running a 30 minute 5k at 6.2 MPH.

Feels good, too.

metsmarathon
Feb 02 2010 09:55 PM
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themetfairy wrote:
marathon - do Gel Packs contain electrolytes?

If so, can one get away with drinking water on a long run so long as one is regularly sucking down the GUs? Or are sports drinks still necessary during long runs?

yup, and yup. thats basically what i do in long training runs nowadays, plus maybe a gatorade if i can stash one someplace handy.

good luck with the backpack. a few times i decided to run to my gym from my office while carrying a small backpack with a bottle of gatorade, my ipod, a change of shirt, and a notebook containing my workout log. it was actually the santana drawstring bag thingy from earlier last season, so it really couldn't get any lighter. i had to run with one arm holding the strings taut so that it would jostle as little as possible, and even then, it was annoying just being there. plus holding it that way sucked. its a 5k round trip, which is, like, nothing at this point, but i stopped bothering with that deal.

my new backpack is way heavier, and padded, too, but its also nicer. i'm not going to run with it though.

i do have to figure out how i'm eventually going to get up to the gym with my workout log, though... i mean, i used to drive, but since i started running there, that just seems too easy. plus its a great hill workout, with its 200' climb.

oh yeah... the 5.5 or 6 incline workout should be more than fine for new york. but if you can keep up the brutal bermuda hill workout, that might be even better :)

not to be overlooked, nice work there fman. pretty soon, we're going to have ourselves a running team on our hands here.

themetfairy
Feb 03 2010 05:19 AM
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WTG Fman - that' s excellent!

marathon - thanks. It's good to hear that I can stick with water, because I really hate those other drinks.

I'll see how the backpack works out. But not today. This is a treadmill kind of morning....

I'll keep up the incline training between now and the NYC Marathon. Maybe I'll keep it to 5.5 for the next several months, and then build the incline up a little higher a month or so before the Marathon. After the Marathon is over, I promised myself that I'll be done with hills forever

As always, thanks for all of the advice!

Fman99
Feb 03 2010 06:36 AM
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Thanks guys.

themetfairy
Feb 03 2010 09:48 AM
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I initially planned to do 10 miles on the treadmill this morning, but then decided to push it to 12 if I felt good. I felt good.

12 on the treadmill really isn't bad, now that we have FiOS - I had my supplies lined up, had my tv, and just kept running. The only hassle is that the treadmill shuts off after 99 minutes, so I had to stop and re-start after 8 miles. A slight hassle, but not horrible - I used the break to suck down a gel pack.

I used one GU before the run and two during, plus I finished off the last three Jelly Belly Sports Beans I had in a pack. I felt strong throughout - I was getting a little bored in the last half hour, but still felt physically strong. I'm liking the gel packs with caffeine - when I used up my current supply, I'm only going to buy the caffeinated ones. The GUs went down ok, but they all taste kind of artificial to me - I think that when I'm done with my supply, I'll stick with other brands unless I'm going to participate in a race where that's the brand they give out (at which point I'll just train on GU for the week leading up to the race).

All in all, it was a successful run :)

metsmarathon
Feb 03 2010 10:39 AM
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have you tried the gu rocktane?

the most i ever did on a treadmill was 9 miles. that was well beyond my limit. any more than 6 and i start really going bonkers, distracted, and blazingly unfocused. i do not like running unfocused.

themetfairy
Feb 03 2010 10:43 AM
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Having FiOS keeps me amused and distracted on the treadmill. I know I go on about Comcast a lot, but it really did suck....

I haven't tried the Roctane yet, but I have two packets (one with caffeine, one without). Tomorrow I'm trying Accel Gel, Friday is a rest day, and I'll try Roctane on Saturday. Sunday I'll try Power Bar Gel Shot, and that will be the final brand that I need to try for the first time.

So far the Hammer Shot Banana is my favorite. Among the GU gels that I've tried, the Just Plain is the most pleasant.

themetfairy
Feb 03 2010 02:41 PM
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BTW, I experimented with running with a backpack this morning. The water bottle didn't bounce around, but I figured out really quickly that the shoulder straps were going to chafe my arms. So I ditched it quickly (an advantage of the treadmill is that I could just toss it off and put it away later). It was a worthy experiment.

But since I'm going to be taking gels along instead of bagels, I'm not going to need that much storage room. Thus, a waist pack should suffice. I'm just going to need to circle around to my house during long runs, though, so I can pick up a fresh water bottle halfway through.

themetfairy
Feb 03 2010 03:20 PM
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marathon - does your face ever hurt after a long run from the salt that you've sweated out? If so, how do you prevent it/handle it?

themetfairy
Feb 06 2010 09:28 AM
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metsmarathon wrote:
have you tried the gu rocktane?


I tried the Rocktane Pineapple this morning. Didn't love it. Thought it tasted really artificial, with a bitter aftertaste. It didn't give me any more of a jolt than a regular GU gel. I ran 5 miles on the treadmill, but last week's 5 mile run with the Cliff Shot Strawberry (which, admittedly, has caffeine) felt much better (and the Cliff Shot tasted better). I have a Roctane Blueberry/Pomegranate to eventually try, which is 2x caffeine; I'll see whether I do better with that one, but so far I'm not loving GU as opposed to some of the other brands.

Tomorrow I'll try PowerBar Gel. According to the NYRR site, they give this one out at the NYC Marathon - is that right?

metsmarathon
Feb 06 2010 09:48 AM
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yeah, i tried the pineapple rocktane once. yuck.

i actually don't think i ever tried the clif shots. i like clif bars, its just theat once i found that i liked (some of) teh gu's, i stuck with them.

they do give out powerbar gel; i forget what flavor. i always passed it by a) because i always carry my own b) because i don't thin the flavors ever appealed to me and c) because of my first experinece with power gel.

granted, i never went through as rigorous (and impressive, btw) taste trial as you.

themetfairy
Feb 06 2010 10:54 AM
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metsmarathon wrote:
yeah, i tried the pineapple rocktane once. yuck.

i actually don't think i ever tried the clif shots. i like clif bars, its just theat once i found that i liked (some of) teh gu's, i stuck with them.

they do give out powerbar gel; i forget what flavor. i always passed it by a) because i always carry my own b) because i don't thin the flavors ever appealed to me and c) because of my first experinece with power gel.

granted, i never went through as rigorous (and impressive, btw) taste trial as you.


Tell me about your PowerBar Gel experience. All I know about it so far is that the package seems squishier than the other brands. This is the last brand I have to try for the first time; after that it's just a question of trying the different flavors and confirming that I'm only going to buy caffeinated gels in the future (when I bought my stash last week I didn't even know that some were caffeinated and some weren't).

As for GU, I know the NJ Marathon gives out the chocolate and the vanilla ones. I haven't tried those two yet, but I have them on hand. So far the Just Plain GU has been my favorite - it was a pleasant enough taste, but not overwhelming and I don't think it had much of an aftertaste.

So far my favorite is the Hammer Gel Banana. It tastes just like baby food banana (which you will get used to soon enough ).

In an ideal world, I'll train for a race based on what they give out on the course (carrying my own just in case, of course). But if I really dislike a certain brand, I won't use it just because I can get a couple of freebies during a race.

I just figured a spreadsheet was a good way to keep track of which gels work for me and which ones don't. And thanks - your descriptions and accounts of races and courses always awe me (I kept your description of last year's Marathon as a Google Document so I can study it in the fall), so it's nice to be able to do something that meets your standards

cooby
Feb 06 2010 11:34 AM
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I find that a little chart on the fridge door works best for me- I'm pretty low tech :)

themetfairy
Feb 06 2010 12:21 PM
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Yes, but my spreadsheet has a lot of info on it. I'm tracking how I felt about each one, whether I like the flavor, how I digest them, and how I run with them. I don't think I could write slowly enough to keep all of that on the fridge ;)

cooby
Feb 06 2010 02:07 PM
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lol, just bustin your chops, girl

themetfairy
Feb 06 2010 02:19 PM
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No problemo coobs ;)

themetfairy
Feb 07 2010 08:10 AM
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I ran a strong 5K on the treadmill this morning. The PowerShot Gel digested fine, although the taste was incredibly artificial. But I've completed phase one of my experiment - I've established that I can use any of the gels out there without digestive issues. Now it's a question of deciding between caffeine and no caffeine, and establishing which flavors I like best. I still have a good stash to get through before making that determination.

marathon - how often do you consume gels? If you're just running 5K, do you take them? When you do take them, how many do you take and how often?

Also, if I don't feel like eating breakfast before a run, is a gel pack a substitute for that? Or should I eat regular food instead?

Thanks.

metsmarathon
Feb 07 2010 08:51 AM
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i typically don't bother with them unless i'm running more than 10 miles (for instance, i'm about to brave the cold and put in a 10-miler. no gel for me!). well, maybe if i'm trying for a 10 mile race-pace run i will, but anything less and i typically go unassisted. especially if i'm not actively building for a marathon. i don't know if i have them prior to, say, a 5 miler that i'm shooting for a pr in, but prolly not...

for a long run, i take one about 5-15 minutes before i head out, and then take one every 6th mile (approximately 45 minutes). i try to do the same thing in the marathon, but take them at, say, miles 6,12 & 18, and then again at 22, with one in reserve in case i need it for the last mile.

and no, a gel pack is not a substitute for breakfast. eat regular food instead. if you skip breakfast before a run, you'll be in worse shape than if you ran without a gel pack.

themetfairy
Feb 07 2010 09:07 AM
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Thanks marathon. As always, I appreciate the advice.

I have a whole lot of changes I need to make in the next 39 weeks (actually, the next 12 weeks, which how much time I have before the NJ Marathon).

Fman99
Feb 07 2010 09:44 AM
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For my treadmill 5k runs I have a bottle of water. I like to snack on some beef jerky after I exercise -- the Jack Link's Teriyaki beef jerky comes in single serve packets only have 50 calories and they do kill those hunger pangs enough to get me back home and cooking dinner.

themetfairy
Feb 07 2010 10:31 AM
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You definitely need water for any run, no matter what the length.

I'll pass on the beef jerky, though. I can see how that works for you, especially in terms of sodium replacement. But it's just not my thing.

metsmarathon
Feb 07 2010 10:54 AM
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jack links teriyaki is the only jerky i like, and i can suck that stuff down!

only ran 6 today for a number of factors, the greatest being that i thought the person who was coming to our house this afternoon drove past me after 2.5 miles. i was wrong, but it looked like a dead ringer.

i also dressed a little too warm for today (i know, its 25º out...)
i think the compression t-shirt under the two long sleeve shirts did it. way too hot in my core... plus, despite feeling like crap, and running up about 300' of incline, i ran it at an 8:05 clip, so i think i was running faster than i was planning to (i think i forgot my watch at home, so i was running blind) or wanting to, really - especially at the start.

if i'm running in a 5k, and there's fewer than one water stop at every mile, i get a little annoyed.

themetfairy
Feb 09 2010 02:52 PM
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I'm going to aim for 20 miles on the treadmill tomorrow.

I may not make it. But I'll give it my best shot.

If nothing else, I won't have a long walk home if I come up short. And if I need any kind of supply replenishment, I'll be able to get the boys to help me out since they'll have a snow day.

The DVR is fired up, and I'm ready to give it a try.

Fman99
Feb 09 2010 03:54 PM
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Hoo boy.

Up at 4:30 AM EST, catch 6:15 flight to Cleveland, connecting flight at 8:50 to LAX. Arrive at LAX at 11 AM local time, 2 PM my time, and suck down an In-and-Out Burger fries combo (first ever visit to that chain, good eating). My body is totally not used to that kind of fat intake though and it kicks my ass.

Check into my hotel, try to nap but get interrupted by a call on my cell (which I stupidly left on). Can't sleep, too full, 3 hours of jet lag, I figure the best thing to do is run.

I can't run outside -- it's mid 50's and raining. Or I should say, I don't want to run outside in the rain.

I did get my 5k in, hotel treadmill, 6.2 MPH, 30 1/2 minutes, but mon dieu. I am whupped. And it's not even 3 PM here yet?

themetfairy
Feb 09 2010 03:58 PM
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You've already had a full day and it's only just begun!

metsmarathon
Feb 09 2010 08:50 PM
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themetfairy wrote:
I'm going to aim for 20 miles on the treadmill tomorrow.


yeesh... you're a better man than i. well, you know what i mean...

themetfairy
Feb 09 2010 09:08 PM
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LOL - Thanks.

It's a goal. We'll see how it goes. But I got 12 treadmill miles in last week, and felt pretty strong doing it. I'll just have to keep telling myself that it beats shoveling ;)

themetfairy
Feb 10 2010 12:04 PM
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I completed 20 treadmill miles.

It was fugly. And it did involve some walking (I'm going to guesstimate 3 miles walked, so I'll record 17 miles on my running log for the day). But dammit, I completed 20 miles, and I didn't feel totally like death afterward.

I'm beginning to feel like I won't make a total fool of myself when I run the NJ Marathon in May :)

themetfairy
Feb 11 2010 11:28 AM
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metsmarathon wrote:

and no, a gel pack is not a substitute for breakfast. eat regular food instead. if you skip breakfast before a run, you'll be in worse shape than if you ran without a gel pack.


For a long run I agree with you. But for the shorter runs I'm finding that I feel better with a gel pack rather than food in my stomach. I just feel better with an emptier stomach.

When I started out yesterday, the food in my stomach was a distraction. Before my 5K this morning I just took a gel pack, and I felt much better.

Rockin' Doc
Feb 14 2010 05:47 PM
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I've been slowly increasing my speed on the treadmill chasing the goal of getting 3 miles in 30 minutes. Yesterday, I made my goal by doing 3.05 miles on a 2.5 degree grade in 30 minutes. Yesterday was the first time that I have run without first lifting weights for 35-40 minutes prior to hittiing the treadmill.* Hitting the treadmill fresh seems to have helped my stamina and definitely helped me to reach the 3 mile mark. My next goal is to complete 3.1 miles (5K) in the 30 minutes. After that, I don't know what I'll shoot for next. I'll figure that out once I get there.


*I fell and dislocated the middle knuckle on my right hand 2 weeks ago while in Myrtle Beach on a golf outing. I had a friend reset my finger and continued to golf the rest of the weekend. Since I could bend the finger and had good gripping strength, I returned home and went on with my life. After a week though, The finger was still tender to touch and mobility was still somewhat limited so I decided to get it checked by the orthopedist that has rebuilt me in the past. Unfortunately, Xrays showed that the knuckle is still partially dislocated, the Flexor Digitorum Superficialis tendon is torn loose from the bone, and there is a partial fracture of the middle phalynx bone. So I'm wearing a rather uncomfortable metal brace for the next 3 weeks and my weight training is on hold until it comes off.

themetfairy
Feb 14 2010 06:23 PM
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Good work RD! That's excellent progress :)

And I hope your knuckle heals speedily and fully!

Swan Swan H
Feb 15 2010 09:20 AM
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I started phase 4 of the Couch-to-5K plan this morning. The gym we signed up for has finally opened the branch around the corner from our house, so it's easy to just walk over there and get on a treadmill, and the treadmills there have individual video and iPod connections. Anyway, the fourth phase consists of:

Brisk five-minute warmup walk, then:

* Jog 1/4 mile (or 3 minutes)
* Walk 1/8 mile (or 90 seconds)
* Jog 1/2 mile (or 5 minutes)
* Walk 1/4 mile (or 2-1/2 minutes)
* Jog 1/4 mile (or 3 minutes)
* Walk 1/8 mile (or 90 seconds)
* Jog 1/2 mile (or 5 minutes)

I had no idea that studying would be involved. Anyway, since there was no way I'd remember this I made an iPod playlist of songs timed to the steps in this phase, and used that to cue the changes of pace. This definitely worked, and I think I'll do this before each time I go. Today's list, including a three-minute cooldown:

Fall Down As The Rain - Joe Crookston
Sabotage - Beastie Boys
Golden Slumbers - The Beatles
Right Hand Man - Joan Osborne
Excursion Around the Bay - Great Big Sea
The Golden State - John Doe
Chanty - Son Volt
Smells Like Teen Spirit - Nirvana
Windfall - Son Volt

I did the walking at 4.1 and the jogging at 6.2, but the last jog I dialed down to 5.9, as I was a bit gassed. I'll try to get it up higher before I finish this phase.

themetfairy
Feb 15 2010 09:34 AM
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Nice progress!

Meanwhile, this would be a nice CPF run in a future year if it becomes an annual event.

Fman99
Feb 15 2010 06:44 PM
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I also do the playlist thing, I put together playlists of 6-7 songs that are exactly 31 minutes long, and then I know when the music stops that the run is done.

Today, in Florida on vacation, I got to run outside for the first time since I started up this routine in November. And probably the first time I ran outside since I was in high school.

It was great. The treadmill does NOT compare. I had my tunes and a cool breeze and I would take that every time.

My ankle is a bit sore -- the ground doesn't have quite the give of a treadmill, and it tightened up 2-3 minutes in and didn't loosen up. Nothing a couple of naproxen won't help. I am very happy with the results and hope to get at least 2 and maybe 3 more runs in before we leave Saturday morning.

themetfairy
Feb 15 2010 06:48 PM
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Running outside is a great feeling. But D-Dad would agree with you that the treadmill is easier on the joints.

Easier or not, I envy you for being able to run outside; I may not be able to do that until I get to Florida next week...

themetfairy
Feb 15 2010 07:20 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

marathon (or anyone else) - I'm in need of a running mantra to get through the next 11 weeks (which includes two half marathons plus my first full marathon). What kind of inspirational phrases do you hold onto during the tough times in a long run?

metsmarathon
Feb 15 2010 08:14 PM
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usually i end up cursing myself for having told people what my ultimate goal was for a given race. that'll typically shame me into getting my act (somewhat more) together...

seriously, though, i've got my running schedule posted fairly prominently at work, and ive got a running tracker that the guys i work with are aware of (this year, i'm running either to key west, 1453 mi, or manitoba, 1460 mi) and not that they would think poorly of me, or are counting on me to cover the distance, or run a race in any given time, but i don't want to let them down all the same by failing to meet my stated goal, since they are, in effect, cheering me on. i want to keep them thinking that i'm freakin' awesome! :p

as far as mantras go... i don't really think i have any... i'm not sure what i tell myself when i need to go out for a run and don't want to, other than 'waaah - quit whining and get out there!' or something to that effect.

in a long run, though, i do start repeating things as needed. typically, as my focus begins to wane, i'll yell at myself (with my inner voice) 'let's go!' often accompanied by reminders such as 'eyes up!' 'stay loose' and 'shoulders down.' sometimes, i'll even bust out 'attack that hill' or 'you gotta want it' though those are more in-jokes from cross country. i've also found that i remind myself that 'this is nothing' and 'you've done this before,' and knowing that you've only got so many miles left helps - well, once you've reached the halfway point at least.

the biggest trick, of course, is to stay positive, and to know that even after a bad run, you can and will bounce back.

themetfairy
Feb 15 2010 08:19 PM
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You certainly are "freakin' awesome!"

And thank for the tips :)

themetfairy
Feb 17 2010 11:15 AM
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10 strong miles on the treadmill this morning, and I felt good doing it and afterward.

I'm also almost done with my gel pack experiment. When all is said and done, I actually think I'm going to stick with the GU gels. Hammer packs go down better, but ultimately I have fewer digestive issues with GU. Plus I like getting a caffeine boost, and GU has way more caffeinated options. Still, it's been an interesting process going through the different gels to see how they work and how I feel taking them.

themetfairy
Feb 17 2010 07:03 PM
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marathon - here's a new question.

With my long runs, I find that my face is very sore in the aftermath (especially the area around my eyes). I think it's from all of the salt I sweat out over the course of a couple of hours.

Does this happen to other people? What do they do to prevent/treat it?

metsmarathon
Feb 17 2010 07:40 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

i'm not sure if that happens to me, though, if it did, i wouldn't notice because i've usually poured (more than) a bit of water over my head during the run...

Fman99
Feb 17 2010 08:09 PM
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Not sure if it's from not having run on pavement before, or because I did something specific to it, but my right ankle has not bounced back at all. I doubt I will be feeling well enough to run outside even once more before my vacation ends. Which kind of blows.

I'm also due for an arthritis shot on Tuesday, I suspect that will help me mend as well.

All the more to look forward to outdoor running once it gets nice enough (April) where I live.

themetfairy
Feb 17 2010 08:10 PM
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I try not to pour water over my head during treadmill runs....

(Although the same thing happened last month when I tried for 20 miles and made it to 17 on an outdoors run....)

Fman - that really does suck. I hope the shot gets you up and running again, literally and figuratively.

metsmarathon
Feb 17 2010 08:21 PM
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now that i think about it, it might happen to me, but i've typically attributed it to wind/sun burn. could be the salt causing your skin to dry out, yielding a similar result....

a possible solution might be to have a damp towel available at the treadmill to wipe away the salt every now and again, and see if that helps any.

Rockin' Doc
Feb 17 2010 08:29 PM
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I hit the treadmill this evening for the first time since Saturday. I attained my goal of completing a 5k in 30 minutes. I hit the 3.1 mile mark in 29 minutes 47 seconds. I went from couch to 5k in 7 weeks by generally running 2 or 3 times a week, so I feel pretty good with that.

Until my hand heals and I can get back into the weight room, I'll concentrate on improving my running. I guess I'll eventually up the time to 35 minutes and shoot for 3.5 miles.

themetfairy
Feb 17 2010 08:31 PM
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now that i think about it, it might happen to me, but i've typically attributed it to wind/sun burn. could be the salt causing your skin to dry out, yielding a similar result....

a possible solution might be to have a damp towel available at the treadmill to wipe away the salt every now and again, and see if that helps any.


I keep a dry towel around, but that didn't do the job today.

And yes, it feels like a burn. But I was in my basement this morning; the sun didn't touch me.

I'll try to be more mindful about using lotion or Vaseline before my long runs and see whether that helps.

themetfairy
Feb 17 2010 08:32 PM
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Rockin' Doc wrote:
I hit the treadmill this evening for the first time since Saturday. I attained my goal of completing a 5k in 30 minutes. I hit the 3.1 mile mark in 29 minutes 47 seconds. I went from couch to 5k in 7 weeks by generally running 2 or 3 times a week, so I feel pretty good with that.

Until my hand heals and I can get back into the weight room, I'll concentrate on improving my running. I guess I'll eventually up the time to 35 minutes and shoot for 3.5 miles.


WTG RD!

metsmarathon
Feb 17 2010 09:26 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

nice!

we're gonna have ourselves a running team before long if we're not careful...

themetfairy
Feb 18 2010 05:44 AM
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Now if only the NYRR would re-institute the Run to Home Plate....

themetfairy
Feb 19 2010 11:55 AM
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Speaking of the NYRR, I'm frustrated with the fact that, at T-minus 30 days, they STILL haven't posted the race's course or start time. Not to mention information about bib pick-up, etc.

Is this typical for them?

metsmarathon
Feb 19 2010 09:48 PM
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not at all. the best i can think is that with the race starting in teh spring, and running through times square, perhaps they're having trouble getting all the permits squared away.

i can't remember if we went through times square when i did it a few years back...
ok, fine. it did. so says mrsmm. but its certainly possible that the change of date could be screwing things up. or lower manhattan stuff....

themetfairy
Feb 20 2010 07:16 AM
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OK - thanks.

BTW, I'm getting really close to committing to the Rock 'N' Roll Philadelphia Half Marathon in Philly in September 19. If I do it, it'll be with Team McGraw; since a lot of Tug McGraw Foundation people are based down there, they should have a big contingent for that one. The logistics of Philly aren't as good for me as those of New York, but I'm really leaning towards doing that as my one fall half marathon (as opposed to the three I'm doing in anticipation of the NJ Marathon - Bermuda, NYC and Rutgers).

themetfairy
Feb 20 2010 08:52 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

The PowerBar Shot Tangerine flavored gel pack has got to be the most vile thing I have tasted in a decade.

metsmarathon
Feb 20 2010 12:13 PM
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i almost completely forgot that i had wanted to do the nyrr run for haiti 4 mile race today. luckily, my plan was to do it virtually, and so remembering at around noon wasn't really all that big a deal. i mean, i had planned today to be an off day, but what the heck, why not run 4 miles for a good cause? and anyone running 4 miles between yesterday and wednesday can sign up. i'm pretty sure there's no t-shirt in it for the virtual runner, which would be cool, but what the heck, its for a good cause.

[url]http://www.mapmyrun.com/virtual_event/ny_haiti/index

How can I participate Virtually?

1. Simply Run or Walk the 4 miles anywhere you choose from Feb 19 to Feb 24, 2010. Read the Step-By-Step Guide
2. Submit race distance and time at the Virtual Run / Walk for Haiti website. Results can be entered manually or via supported timing devices like Garmin, Nike+, Polar, and more.
3. Compare your results with other virtual participants and see how you would have finished among the live participants.

metsmarathon
Feb 20 2010 03:14 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

4 miles, 29:38, 317 feet of elevation change, both up and down. a new pr. alas, the race is only virtual...

themetfairy
Feb 20 2010 03:17 PM
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You run 4 miles faster than I run 5K. I hat you.....

(Seriously - WTG man!)

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Feb 20 2010 06:14 PM
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Hey I happened to run 4 miles today too. Only it took me almost 37 minutes.

I have secretly been doing the F-Man, Rockindoc thing since late December, only I didn't wanna talk about it because I think I'm still one false move from exploding my achilles tendon. I have been OK at moderate speeds on the treadmill but still don't feel like I can really exert myself like I used to. This achilles thing stopped me last spring and again last summer. It is still an issue but a smaller one... I need to stretch an awful lot and hope it improves more.

I got started up again mainly because I'd become alarmed at how fat I'd become. I've lost a few pounds since the end of December, but my running until today hadn't exceeded 30 minutes on the treadmill or a 9-minute mile pace. Today the weather was nice enough to get out for once, and I had the benefit of a strong tailwind for much of the route.

themetfairy
Feb 20 2010 06:31 PM
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Welcome back to the fold Lunchie!

Fman99
Feb 20 2010 07:32 PM
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I am in nowhere near running shape. My ankle is banging the same tonight that it was on Tuesday morning. Which sucks.

themetfairy
Feb 20 2010 08:15 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

That does suck. Rest it up so you can rejoin the CPF running team soon! (And if rest isn't enough, see a doctor about it.)

metsmarathon
Feb 21 2010 01:41 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

today was a beautiful day for a run. a little chilly, but sunny and bright.

themetfairy
Feb 21 2010 01:59 PM
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metsmarathon wrote:
today was a beautiful day for a run. a little chilly, but sunny and bright.


Yes - I ran outdoors for the first time in weeks. It felt glorious :)

themetfairy
Feb 22 2010 09:30 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

marathon - how many miles a month does one need in order to be ready to complete a marathon (more or less, of course)?

metsmarathon
Feb 22 2010 10:30 AM
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i dunno... i've never really thought about it... if i were to guess, completely out of the blue, i'd suggest that a theoretical minimum might be 70 miles, and a practical minimum would be around 80. but running 4 miles a day, 20 times, won't do it, obviously.

i don't know how much we ran building up to our first marathons. it wasn't nearly as much as we had planned. especially the second year, where we basically did the long runs, and virtually nothing midweek. (i would not recommend that strategy)

the first year i ran new york, i had pulled my calf over the summer, so i took a month or two off. i started running maybe 3 months before the race, and had to rapidly build up to get one 20 miler in before an abbreviated taper. i don't know if i topped 80 miles that month. then the next year, i trained more, i think. or maybe not. i was broken a lot that year.... but after new york, i developed plantar fasciitis, too most of the next two months off, and ran the goofy's race and a half challenge. and then the next year, i was going to run new york, dropped out due to injury, and ran a max of maybe 85-95 miles in the month leading up to goofy.

in 2008, i topped 100 miles in the buildup to hamptons, running on a three-day a week plan.

and last year i almost logged a 200 mile month.

i think if you're between 100 and 120, you're probably in a good range, but i'm saying that still off the top of my head. i think more along the lines of the long-run progression, and filling in enough midweek runs to build up a base and maintain speed. let the long runs be your guide, and the monthly mileage merely something to take note of.

themetfairy
Feb 22 2010 11:04 AM
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OK.

I clocked 108.15 in January and am up to 83.36 so far this month (with a long run scheduled for Wednesday - somewhere between 10 and 14 miles). I may lose some time in the coming week and a half - a quick trip to Florida and jury duty may interfere with the mileage. But I figure if I'm going to have a slight interruption, T-minus 9 weeks isn't the worst time for that (and I'm sure I'll get some running in during that time - I just may not get long runs in at that point).

I've been running 5 days a week - making myself take a rest day and a cross training day is torture, but I'm doing it. When I'm done with the NY Marathon, I'm going back to my wimpy schedule of daily short runs.

Having done 20 miles already has given me a lot of peace of mind - I know that I'll get through my marathons now, even if they takes a while and involve some walking. I'm getting used to the concept that it's ok to walk through the water stations, which is something I've never done before.

Half marathons in 4 weeks and 8 weeks will help keep me on schedule (I'm going to treat the Rutgers half as a training run for Long Branch, since it's two weeks before the marathon).

10 weeks until Long Branch - EEK!

As always, thanks marathon. I truly appreciate your guidance and support.

metsmarathon
Feb 22 2010 11:49 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

any time.

also, i walk through water stations in 21:00 5ks.

themetfairy
Feb 22 2010 12:54 PM
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Impressive!

I've always been slow. But so long as I get my finisher's medals, I don't care what the clock says :)

Fman99
Feb 22 2010 06:41 PM
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Was able to do 30 minutes on the elliptical today. It's not a run but I got a good sweat going. And I can close my eyes while I exercise, which isn't really safe on a treadmill anyway.

Hopefully after I get my arthritis shot tomorrow night, and another week of non-impact exercise, I can get running again next Monday. At least that's the plan.

themetfairy
Feb 22 2010 06:50 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

It sounds like a good plan.

Feel better Fman!

Rockin' Doc
Feb 22 2010 07:02 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

I did 3.68 miles in 35 minutes on the treadmill this evening. I hit the 5K mark in 29:01. This was the first time going beyond 30 minutes and my legs were pretty tired in those final 5 minutes so my pace definitely slowed at the end.

I have decided that my running goal is to do 5 miles in 50 minutes (or hopefully less) before my 50th birthday this summer. A rather modest goal, but a big step considering the couch potatoe I had become and was at the end of 2009.

themetfairy
Feb 22 2010 07:07 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

WTG RD!

This is my marathon year - perhaps next year will be yours

themetfairy
Feb 24 2010 09:14 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

marathon - how much rest do you need for a tight hamstring?

metsmarathon
Feb 24 2010 09:35 AM
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a lot of it would seem to depend on whether your name is jose reyes...

the best answer i can tell you is, it depends. when/how did it start bothering you? how long did you keep running on it, and did it get any worse, or stay about the same? do you have any history with muscle tightness/pulls, either in general or specific to the hamstring?

its entirely possible it could be fine tomorrow, and that you just did something to piss it off a bit today. running without stretching, or running while fatigued might do it. if its just a little tight, take a day off, stretch it out, take a hot bath, massage your leg or get somebody else to do it, relax the darned thing! you might consider heading out to a sporting good store and picking up a thigh wrap if you're concerned about it - i have one that i run with when my quad and/or hammy starts to bark at me, and it seems to work well enough. only problem is that it slides down most of the time, so i constantly have to adjust it. or you could go out to a running store and get some compression shorts (if you don't already have em) - basically the same thing, but slightly less compression is available. on the bright side, those won't require as much adjusting usually.

take it easy the next few days as far as distance/effort, and try to stretch it out a little after you run. that should help. its also possible that just running on the treadmill made it easier for the tightness to get inside your head, causing you to notice and/or focus on it, and instead of successfully running through it and working it out on your own, it got itself all in the way. i always drive myself crazy with injuries both real and imagined when i run on the treadmill. outdoors, i'm more likely to see what happens.

this shouldn't set you back too much if its just temporary tightness.

themetfairy
Feb 24 2010 09:49 AM
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This is the glute/hamstring area that's been on and off barking for a few months. I hurt it during a weird abs class a few months ago (she had us holding these oversized balls between our legs - I'm never taking that stupid class again!), and it hasn't been 100% since.

What's ironic is that just the other day I told D-Dad that I thought it was actually doing much better.

Now that I think about it, I did some leg strengthening exercises over the past two days that may have strained the area. I'll stay away from that stuff until the NJ Marathon is over.


This morning I actually felt good for the first couple of miles, but then it started barking. I slowed down a bit, which was good. After seven miles I needed to take a bathroom break (I'm still working out the food thing. I don't think that it works for me to eat before I run....), and when I went back to the treadmill it was really tight. I ran slowly for about another mile, did some walking for a little while, and ultimately decided that I was better off quitting while I was behind rather than risking real injury.

It's not debilitating, but I feel it. Hopefully it'll pass in a couple of days.

Thanks for the feedback, as always!

themetfairy
Feb 25 2010 08:48 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

The glute is feeling a bit better this morning, but not 100% I put in some time on the exercise bike, which went well.

Hopefully by next week I'll be running again. T-minus 74 days until my first marathon....

themetfairy
Feb 28 2010 06:26 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Today in sunny but chilly Florida - 3.1
Month of February - 97.29
Year to date - 205.44

If I hadn't pulled up lame on Wednesday, I would have had consecutive 100 mile months.

The glute is still a little tight, but it doesn't hurt. And the running hasn't made it any worse. Nonetheless, I'll cross train tomorrow and I'll skip the incline running for a week or two, just to give it a little bit of a break.

Three weeks from today is the NYC Half Marathon - I'm looking forward to that race :)

metsmarathon
Feb 28 2010 07:56 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

i stalled at 76 for the month. i woulda hit 100 if not for a whole heck of a lot of snow this week, and a burning desire to avoid treadmills...

Fman99
Feb 28 2010 07:45 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

After not exercising for a week, and then just hitting the elliptical for another week, I eased back into my running with at 15 minute 5.4 MPH run on the treadmill on Friday. No issues so today I turned up the dial a bit.

Thirty minutes, 6.3 MPH and 6.4 for the last 1/4 of the run. Finished the 5k in 29:25, a personal best, and I feel great tonight.

Happy that I was able to pace my return to exercise without long term effects. Just 29.6 miles for February (not counting the 8 miles that the elliptical/crosstrainers were saying I ran) but I hope to up that for March.

themetfairy
Feb 28 2010 07:59 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Welcome back Fman!

Fman99
Mar 01 2010 06:24 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Thanks MF. The funny thing is I hadn't gone faster than 6.2 before I banged my ankle up, but it had been a couple of weeks and I forgot where I left off.

A day later and no ill effects. A bit of a tight lower back but that's from the epic snow shoveling of Thursday/Friday I suspect. Back at it today... and thinking I may reset my goal to something higher -- like 27 minutes at 7 MPH, which would be a 5k time of about 26:38. Seems reachable to me (at least as I type this from my desk chair it does).

themetfairy
Mar 01 2010 06:36 AM
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It sounds like a good goal, but remember that you need to reach it slowly. If you aim for too much too soon, you'll be out of commission again.

You'll get there, but gradually is the better strategy.

As for your back, there's no substitute for core workouts. Like I've said many times, I use a variety of Exercise TV's workouts, and most of them are about 10 minutes long. I got into the routine out of vanity (and yes, my abs do look great), but I've noticed that my back is much, much stronger now (and my running form has improved tremendously).

themetfairy
Mar 03 2010 11:00 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

So I did well running outside Saturday, Sunday and Monday, but misstepped on the treadmill last night and tweaked the damn glute again!

marathon - what is the best strategy for me to get the muscle healthy while simultaneously training for the NYC Half Marathon (3 weeks from now), the Rutgers Half Marathon (7 weeks) and the NJ Marathon (9 weeks). If I had to prioritize them, the NYC Half is my top priority (my first Team McGraw race), then the NJ Marathon, then Freakin' Rutgers.

Thanks.

metsguyinmichigan
Mar 03 2010 11:24 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

I was running 9 miles at 6.7 mph on the treadmill each night until straining my knee in October, and finally getting it diagnosed in December. I'm wearing a brace now, but have been cautious since November, going only an hour at 6 mph.

This week I finally got a little bolder and ramped to back up to 8 miles at 6.7, taking about 72 minutes. Feels good! No problems with the knee. I'd like to get it back up to 9 miles by the end of the month.

themetfairy
Mar 03 2010 11:31 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Glad to hear it michigan. Keep up the great work!

metsmarathon
Mar 03 2010 02:13 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

themetfairy wrote:
So I did well running outside Saturday, Sunday and Monday, but misstepped on the treadmill last night and tweaked the damn glute again!

marathon - what is the best strategy for me to get the muscle healthy while simultaneously training for the NYC Half Marathon (3 weeks from now), the Rutgers Half Marathon (7 weeks) and the NJ Marathon (9 weeks). If I had to prioritize them, the NYC Half is my top priority (my first Team McGraw race), then the NJ Marathon, then Freakin' Rutgers.

Thanks.


well, first, i'd say stop tripping on the treadmill... :p

probably best to pull back the reins a little for the next three weeks. you might be able to keep up the distance on the long runs, but incorporate more rest days during the week. if you have an exercise bike handy, that'd be good to hop on.

if you keep up the level of general activity, you should be fine for nyc half. especially with that wacky 20 mile treadmill run under your belt!

themetfairy
Mar 03 2010 02:57 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Try to stop tripping - good idea!

I do have an exercise bike - it's not as much fun as running, but I did use it this morning. I guess I'll try to do that instead of 5K runs for a few days.

The long runs are scaring me a little, but I'll give it a try (especially if it ever gets nice enough to run outside again). The 20-miler definitely keeps me from totally panicking - I should be able to get through a marathon if I incorporate walking.

I've lost a little speed due to this muscle thing, and it's not like I had a lot of speed to begin with. But I'll take things easy leading up to the NYC Half Marathon, and take it from there.

Oh, and I've been taking ibuprofen and putting J.R. Watkins liniment on the leg. Because, you know, that's what Johan uses....

Thanks for the advice and encouragement!

Fman99
Mar 03 2010 07:40 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Day 1: 4.3 MPH, 30 minutes, 2.15 miles, 5k pace 43:21

Today: 6.4 MPH, 30 minutes, 3.2 miles, 5k pace 29:08

themetfairy
Mar 03 2010 08:10 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Nice work Fman!

metsmarathon
Mar 04 2010 02:24 PM
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man, do i love speedwork! i've been looking forward to kicking off speedwork for a year...

i had five 400m repeats to run today, preceded by a mile warm-up, with 400m of jogging in between each, and a mile of cool-down afterwards.

my legs felt heavy, with no real drive, my turnover was slow, and my stride felt overly long. but i knocked the first one off in 85 seconds, the second in 91 seconds. i rallied for the third and fourth in 85 and 84 seconds each, and was really sucking wind. but i pushed an 82 second quarter for the final one; i felt like i was working harder than that... i'm kindof impressed that i ran them that fast, especially given how i felt. i think its a great start. i've got 8 weeks of these, alternating 400s one week, and 200s the next, leading to a pair of 5ks at the end of april that i've set my sights on. my goal is to approach, or even crack, 20 minutes in one or both of them, and this speedwork is a critical part of the plan.

oh, a 90-second quarter mile equates to a 6-minute mile. i'd love to get these down to 75 seconds...

themetfairy
Mar 04 2010 02:25 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

As always, you awe me!

WTG marathon!

metsmarathon
Mar 04 2010 02:43 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

seriously. 20 miles on a treadmill. i can never touch that.

themetfairy
Mar 04 2010 03:11 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

It was that or shoveling that day....

And thanks :)

Farmer Ted
Mar 04 2010 05:43 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

I did 20 miles once on an indoor track (each lap just under 200 meters). The entire journey was clockwise (which is backwards on a track).

That doesn't touch the treadmill. No way.

themetfairy
Mar 04 2010 05:44 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Thanks Ted, but I'll disagree.

I had my tv, with lots of channels to flip between. That kept me distracted. I think 20 miles on a track would be rougher.

metsmarathon
Mar 04 2010 07:50 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

i've found that more than two laps on a track and i start losing count...

themetfairy
Mar 04 2010 08:04 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

metsmarathon wrote:
i've found that more than two laps on a track and i start losing count...


Agreed. At least the treadmill keeps track for me.

I went to the gym today and put in an hour on the elliptical. Not nearly as satisfying as running. I hope to be able to get outside and run again in the next day or two. I'll take it slowly and settle for the fact that the hamstring/glute is going to make my usual snail's pace even slower, but that if I'm patient I'll at least get through my races.

themetfairy
Mar 06 2010 09:33 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

I ran 10 miles today. The glute was tight but it didn't hurt.

My plan is to taper and get my legs strong and rested for the NYC Half in two weeks. After that, I re-evaluate.

I'll likely do the Rutgers Half in April no matter what - I can handle a half marathon. But I'm thinking about dropping out of the NJ Marathon if my leg doesn't start feeling substantially better. In part because I'm concerned about being able to finish it in the 6.5 hour time limit; the injury has taken away some of my slow to begin with speed. Plus I don't want to do anything that will interfere with getting ready for the NY Marathon in November. Also, if it's going to be torture, what's the point?

Anyway, that's my current thinking. The NY Half Marathon is in two weeks, and I'll figure things out after that.

themetfairy
Mar 09 2010 09:26 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

I went to a sports medicine specialist. And since he's in no way affiliated with the Mets, I trust him.

The long and short is that he doesn't think my strained glute will keep me from the half marathon. I'll do some p/t, and he'll evaluate me in two weeks. At that time, we'll see whether it's realistic for me to train for the NJ Marathon or whether I should skip that one to focus more on the NYC Marathon in November.

In any event, I feel like I'm in good hands, and I'm excited about the NYC Half Marathon on the 21st :)

themetfairy
Mar 09 2010 01:06 PM
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I just ran 5K in 36:20. No land speed record, but close to my normal pace. More importantly, for the first time in weeks I really felt great out there :)

I'm now feeling much more confident about the NYC Half!

Fman99
Mar 09 2010 03:13 PM
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Great weather out there. First run of the year, outside, in New York state. And unless mapmyrun.com is lying to me, I ran a 5k in my neighborhood in 26:38. This includes some fairly hilly terrain* and a headwind, at times.

Knee is a bit tight but nothing out of the ordinary. I'll know in the morning if the pavement pounding is really detrimental to my health.

*caveat - I've been running on treadmills for four months at slight to no inclines.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Mar 09 2010 08:06 PM
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Yah, nice day to run. I did 6 miles outside today (new highs for time & distance in the post Achilles Era) but not speed.

metsmarathon
Mar 09 2010 08:18 PM
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i had a decent day of speedwork, too. ran 8 200m repeats, averaging about 40 sec per, with the last two coming in at 37. i can go faster, but i have to reteach my legs to do it. and since i've gotta do that, i'm kindof holding back a little to prevent a blowout. plus, the chilly weather keeps from going all-out a bit, too. my legs did not feel tired afterwards, but i was out of breath, gassed.

my form felt very loose and unfocused, too. if i can get that better, i should melt more time off and also get better work in.

themetfairy
Mar 09 2010 08:41 PM
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Show off.....

Seriously - WTG!

And nice job Lunchie.

metsmarathon
Mar 09 2010 10:05 PM
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yup! :p

seriously, i'm just loving the speedwork right now. the only thing i'd love more would be hill repeats, but their time will come... i've been itching to get into some good quality speed work for, like ten years now - basically since college - but was never really healthy enough or fit enough with enough base for it to be a smart/worthwhile endeavor since i've never really done a good job of running over the winter, and by the time i would be healthy and fit, it would be time to start packing on the mileage for marathons.

i had tried to get some repeats going last year, but only got one set of 200s in in june before i had to shut down for a week 'cos my quad was giving me trouble. prior to that, i hadn't done them since college, and the last time i sprinted in college, i pulled out my hamstring. which makes me forever leery of entering into a sprint workout.

but for now, i feel good enough to enter into a period of regular speed work, and it seems to not be disagreeing with me. my legs were really sore after the 400s, but today felt like nothing, lungs aside.

the speed work is basically the cornerstone of my grand scheme. i've been able to get back a lot of my speed without it, and with it, i'm hoping for real dividends. the short term goal is to approach, or bust through, 20:00 in the 5k a the end of april, and that's just the first step... after today, though, i realize that i need to put a little more prep into these repeats, like doing some quick plyometric drills immediately beforehand to loosen me up, and maybe reinforce proper form...

tangentially... man do i love speed work. running sprint repeats. great stuff! every runner should do it! i mean, i wouldn't recommend starting into it when you're knee-deep in marathon training, or coming off an injury, but its just plain good stuff. warm up a bit, find yourself an eighth-mile flat stretch, run it fast, jog back, run it again fast, and keep doing a bunch of em till you hit 8 or 10 or 12, or whatever, and then jog a bit to cool down. it teaches good form, and how to maintain good form even when you start to tire. it gets you up more onto your midfoot or forefoot, builds turnover, and helps get your arms and legs all moving in the same plane. faster. better. efficienter. sure, it might look crazy to your neighbors, but the ones who get it will know. you're crazy like a fox. and if you do 'em up a slight (or not so slight) hill, that's hill work, and you're a genius! oh, i can't wait for hill work!

themetfairy
Mar 10 2010 05:53 AM
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I admire you, but I don't see ever having the patience or tenacity to do that kind of work.

I've basically accepted the fact that I'll never be fast, and I'm willing to concentrate on other aspects of running. I like it best when I'm in something of a Zen state of mind and not worrying about the numbers.

But WTG man - that is incredibly impressive!

Fman99
Mar 10 2010 06:51 AM
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Fman99 wrote:
Great weather out there. First run of the year, outside, in New York state. And unless mapmyrun.com is lying to me, I ran a 5k in my neighborhood in 26:38. This includes some fairly hilly terrain* and a headwind, at times.

Knee is a bit tight but nothing out of the ordinary. I'll know in the morning if the pavement pounding is really detrimental to my health.


I actually drove the route this morning as I left for work -- to verify that I had in fact run for 5k. It was, according to my odometer anyway. Feeling real pleased with myself at that 26:38 finish time.

No pain in the knees or ankles, either. My lower back is a bit tight but nothing that would keep me from running. Going to be another nice one out there today, too, but I have an oil change and a chiropractic appointment so I'll have no time to run.

themetfairy
Mar 10 2010 07:46 AM
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Nice work Fman. mapmyrun.com is also good for veryifying routes. And I'm envious of your speed - I was never blessed with that.

I ran another 5K this morning. The glute is a little tighter than yesterday, but still way stronger than it has been for weeks (and my lungs feel so great getting outside again!). Tomorrow I start my p/t - between that and the taper period before the NYC Half, I think I'll skip running for the day.

Swan Swan H
Mar 10 2010 11:50 AM
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I've been keeping on with the Couch-to-5K plan, and this morning I began what I guess is phase 5B:

5 minute warm-up walk
8 minute run
5 minute walk
8 minute run

This is a step up from the last phase, which was maximum 5 minute runs. I really had no trouble getting to 8 minutes, for which I was pleasantly surprised. The next step is the ka-rusher, according to the couple of discussion boards I've visited - 5 minute warm-up, then a 20 minute run.

I am alternating 3-4 running days per week with twice-weekly personal training sessions, and it's been working out fine. I'm feeling pretty confident that I'll be able to get through that first 5K in May.

themetfairy
Mar 12 2010 06:23 AM
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For anyone interested in hanging out around the West Side Highway and kicking Gatorade cups around, here's the course map for the NYC Half Marathon (warning - pdf file).

metsmarathon
Mar 12 2010 01:47 PM
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yeah, they must've had to change the course, leading to the delay - i guess they couldn't get into battery park... that's where the finish was our year. we also started around 85th street, not 96th, and there was not that little turnaround thingy on the WSHwy

Chad Ochoseis
Mar 12 2010 03:11 PM
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Are your rabid fans really allowed to hang out along the West Side Highway, or are we restricted to those tiny "cheering zones"?

themetfairy
Mar 12 2010 03:20 PM
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Chad - I assume my rabid fans can hang out anywhere they would like along the course.

Would you like to be part of my posse?

Chad Ochoseis
Mar 12 2010 03:24 PM
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It would be an honor. And I'm taking the WTC PATH to get to the luncheroo, so the last leg of the race is on my way in.

metsmarathon
Mar 12 2010 03:27 PM
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the cheering zones are where they stash official cheerers, be they volunteer or professional.

you should be able to stand anywhere along the course and cheer on the participants, though some places would be easier than others.

as a spectator with a 3-m/o, i'm leery of being too close to the official entertainment, which'll likely be a semi-pro garage band or the like, though might also be a school marching band, or choir, but will find myself somewhere between 44th and 34th street, depending on the ambient noise and crowd levels.

themetfairy
Mar 12 2010 04:07 PM
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Excellent - I'll look for you guys!

I'll be wearing this -

themetfairy
Mar 12 2010 04:34 PM
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Here's a description of the Half Marathon entertainment.

MFS62
Mar 14 2010 02:52 PM
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Just saw this today:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn/20100314/hl ... ryproblems

Later

themetfairy
Mar 14 2010 03:07 PM
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That's a pretty small sample size.

metsmarathon
Mar 14 2010 06:38 PM
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unless they can show me what the arterial stiffness of these runners was prior to their embarking on a lifetime of marathoning, i'm not interested in the claim.

i mean, really, what it tells me is not that marathon running makes male arteries stiffer (um, cue fman?), but that male (greek) marathon runners have stiffer arteries. is there a correlation, or causation?

is the population of marathoners that they sampled the elites of the field? or is the the back-o-the-packers? a mix of the two?

if it were true that running marathons would lead to this stress, would it not show up in other endurance athletes? also, isn't it the nature of endurance running that you're not running at a max heart rate, but a sustained elevated heart rate? what is the arterial stiffness of those athletes who regularly engage in more strenuous exercise such as would push the max heart rate more frequently? and what role does nutrition play in the game?

Fman99
Mar 15 2010 03:41 PM
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Ran on the treadmill yesterday at a good clip, and today I'm feeling it. Tightness in my groin (usually I am a big fan of that sort of thing) has kept me from running today and I didn't want to push it, as tomorrow I am traveling for work and will be on my feet all day.

I hope to get a run in either later tomorrow evening or Wednesday on the road if I'm feeling better.

themetfairy
Mar 15 2010 03:44 PM
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Concentrate on stretching tonight and see how you feel tomorrow. It doesn't sound serious, but OTOH you don't want to mess around with that kind of thing. Cross-train tomorrow if you're not feeling 100%.

Feel better!

metsmarathon
Mar 16 2010 01:40 PM
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wow, what a beautiful day for running - especially for speed work!

the plan for today called for six 400m repeats. i was a little concerned about them because i haven't been getting much sleep lately, despite not working this week. (took the week off to spend some time home before mrs.mm has to go back to work, and hopefully to get some stuff done around here as well)

but the repeats went off mostly without a hitch. i had a good mile and a half warmup, and kicked off the workout with an 80-second quarter mile, about 5 seconds faster than last time. i fired off all six within a second of that time, save the last one, which i started too fast, and was surprised to have finished in 82 seconds. i must've started that one really fast, cos i was slogging the middle.

finished it up with a nice half mile cooldown, and my day is done.

happily, tomorrow is an easy day.

themetfairy
Mar 16 2010 01:42 PM
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WTG Marathon - that's great.

I had to sit today out. Damn taper week....

themetfairy
Mar 17 2010 08:12 AM
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The good news is that I'm feeling well for the NYC Half Marathon, and I'm sure I'll be fine for the Rutgers Half Marathon next month.

The bad news is that, in talking over the glute situation and how I've been training recently with my Team McGraw coach, he doesn't feel that it would be wise for me to run the NJ Marathon. I could do it, but I'd risk doing something that would hinder my ability to properly train for the NY Marathon.

I don't have to defer the NJ Marathon until March 30, so I won't do anything just yet. But I trust my coach's judgment, so that's what I'll probably do.

New York in November will be for all the marbles....

themetfairy
Mar 18 2010 01:06 PM
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I will be runner 9936 on Sunday. If you want to track my progress in the race, click here.

Chad Ochoseis
Mar 19 2010 01:42 PM
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Fairy's time on Sunday: 2:29:17. You heard it here first.

themetfairy
Mar 19 2010 01:51 PM
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Chad - I'm just curious. How did you arrive at that?

BTW, I won't get my official time until after the race, when the chip times are posted. On New Year's Eve it took me several minutes to get to the start, and I'm sure it'll be the same story on Sunday. But I'll have my GPS watch with me; so long as it doesn't die on my halfway through the race (like its predecessor did in Bermuda), I'll have a reasonable time guesstimate of my actual time right after the race.

metsmarathon
Mar 19 2010 01:56 PM
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Chad Ochoseis wrote:
Fairy's time on Sunday: 2:29:17. You heard it here first.


i'll take the under.

Chad Ochoseis
Mar 19 2010 02:03 PM
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I think somewhere you said that you do 12 minute miles. I've got a lot of faith in you, and I know that in the few races I've entered, I've always run a lot faster than I'd run in training. So I took a guess at a pace of 11:27, which just by chance works out to be almost exactly 2:30:00 for the race. If you're anywhere near 2:30 at the last leg, I figure you'll really turn it on, so you'll beat 2:30 by a healthy margin. Like, say, 43 seconds.

Oh, hell, I don't know. I'm just bored pulling numbers out of my head for work today, so I figured I'd start pulling more interesting numbers out of my head.

Also, David Wright will hit .315 this year, with 24 home runs and 106 RBI.

themetfairy
Mar 19 2010 02:25 PM
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No need to apologize - it's an interesting number.

My first half was Jersey City, in 2:30:41. I did Bermuda, hills and all, in 2:31:10. If my glute wasn't bothering me, I think I'd run this race a little faster, but it has slowed me down a bit in my training.

I'd be very happy to finish this race in your projected time, and to feel good afterward. We'll see how it goes :)

Swan Swan H
Mar 20 2010 06:42 PM
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I'm up to the stage in the Couch-to-5K plan where you jump from two 8-minute runs with a 5-minute walk in between to 20 straight minutes of running. I cranked up my iPod and set my mind to it, and I managed to get through it. Despite the gorgeous weather I thought I could regulate it a bit better at the gym, so I did it on the treadmill at a 5.8 pace.

The plan scales back a bit to 8-5-8 with walks in between, then 10-10, then 25 straight, etc., and by next weekend I want to be out on the street, with the wind in my face and the dog poop in the treads of my running shoes.

BTW, here are the tunes that got me through the 20 minutes:

The Breakup Song - Greg Kihn Band
Plowed - Sponge
Joy of Life/Trout In The Bath - The Corrs
Animaniacs Theme - Animaniacs Cast
Rockin' The Suburbs - Ben Folds
Helmethead - Great Big Sea

themetfairy
Mar 21 2010 03:25 PM
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Finished the NYC Half Marthon in 2:41:57. Not stellar, but with the bad glute and a necessary bathroom break I'll take it.

It was a gorgeous morning for the race - I did a lap and a quarter around Central Park, ran down through Times Square, and then down the West Side Highway. I'm exhausted, but very happy to have completed the race.

Is this the best race medal in the world or what?

Swan Swan H
Mar 21 2010 03:39 PM
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Awesome job, and a great 'token' to remember it by.

metirish
Mar 21 2010 03:48 PM
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Well done , really .

themetfairy
Mar 21 2010 04:30 PM
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Thanks guys :)

I totally love the medal. It goes with jewelry that I have that's made from old NYC Subway tokens :)

Fman99
Mar 21 2010 08:14 PM
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Banged out a 5k this morning in about 32 minutes... a bit off my best time but that's OK, I had not run since Wednesday.

Downloaded the MapMyRun iPhone app, which really is great. It uses the GPS to keep track of exactly how far I've run and how long it's taken. Now I don't have to plot out the run in advance, I can just zig zag around my neighborhood until I get to 3.11 miles.

themetfairy
Mar 21 2010 08:16 PM
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Nice job Fman!

I do the same thing with my GPS watch. It's nice being able to keep track of your mileage while not being tied to a pre-planned course.

metsmarathon
Mar 21 2010 09:54 PM
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that's a much cooler medal than the 2007 version...



and congrats! if not for a stuffy little nose, we'd've been there to celebrate with you!

themetfairy
Mar 22 2010 05:33 AM
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Thanks marathon.

We'll have to celebrate another time!

themetfairy
Mar 23 2010 06:21 AM
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Now that I've had a couple of days to regenerate my brain cells, I think I can describe the Half Marathon day. I can't do as good a job of describing the course as metsmarathon, but hopefully I can give you some kind of idea of what the race was like.

After the Team McGraw group met up, we took cabs uptown so we could enter Central Park at 102nd St. on the East Side, prior to the crack of dawn. After taking some team pictures (courtesy of dgwphotography), we separated and went to our designated starting places based on our bib numbers.

The sun eventually came up, the temperature was a very comfortable 53 degrees, and shortly after the designated 7:30 starting time the race was on.

The course went south to the bottom of Central Park, over to the West Side, north to the top of the park, and then back south. Central Park is no Bermuda, but it has its share of hills (the most sustained one on the West Side as you approach the top of the park). I did well enough in the park, but I probably went out too fast - I think I left a lot of myself in the park.

Just after hitting the 8 mile mark, we exited the park at 7th Avenue, and ran south through Times Square. I made it a point to savor the moments there, because it was truly cool!

At 42nd St. we headed west. At the West Side Highway we went north for two blocks and then turned around and headed south on the West Side Highway for the remainder of the race - something like the last three miles. Topographically, this was the easiest part of the race because it was flat. Plus everyone was all spread out at this point. But I was kind of spent by the time I got this far - I didn't stop to walk, but I wasn't exactly burning up the miles as I trudged to the finish.

But to the finish I trudged. I happily collected my cool finisher's medal and my mylar blanket. At one point I was given a bag with food items, which I eventually misplaced. I exited the runners area and met up with D-Dad, my Team McGraw teammates, dgw and G-Fafif. It was nice seeing some friendly faces after the long run :)

I always wanted one of those mylar blankets. I took it home and folded it up. I decided to save it until November. I know that before the Marathon people often use things like garbage bags in order to shield themselves from rain or to be able to sit in a dry place while waiting for the race to begin. I figure the mylar blanket is way cooler than that, and it gives me a chance to put it to very good use before I have to discard it (only to get another one when I finish in Central Park ).

The course amenities were the best I have ever seen. There were plenty of fluid stations, especially in the second half of the race - the first tables had Gatorade, and the latter tables had water. Twice on the course (once in the park and once on the West Side Highway) there were volunteers offering Vaseline on a stick in case any of the runners had chafing issues. On 42nd Street they had gel packs (I passed on those - PowerBar Gels are not my favorite). I didn't particularly look for them on the second half of the course, but in the park I know that there were porta potties aplenty. In the second half of the race there were occasional bands and DJs - the music didn't really get me going for the most part, but anything that broke up the monotony was appreciated by that point.

The race was timed by D-Tags that were worn on the runners' shoes. D-Dad didn't get my time updates on his Blackberry, but other friends of mine told me that they were able to track my progress at the designated time check points (I don't remember them exactly, but there were three of them on the course).

I can't say that I'd do this again, simply because I plan on retiring from long runs after the Marathon in November (T-Minus 229 days). But if I were to do another half marathon in future years, it would be this one. Especially if you could guarantee that I'd get this kind of weather again :)

themetfairy
Mar 24 2010 10:48 AM
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I have clearance from my sports doctor to run the Rutgers Half Marathon next month, so long as I don't try to push it too much. My strategy will be to take it easy and integrate walking into my routine. I figure this will be practice for strategies that will help me survive 26.2 miles in November.

metsmarathon
Mar 24 2010 01:23 PM
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good race description!

nyrr does do a good job with race amenities, especially with the longer races. i like the dtags for timing, as they're certainly more secure than the 'champion chips' that they used to use, but i liked that i could keep the chip from my first ny marathon, and its a neat souvenir. the dtag, not so much. but it doesn't seem nearly as likely to fall of my shoe, so its a tradeoff i'm willing to accept i suppose.

the race updates were sent out at 10k, 15k, 20k and finish, i believe.

i think i've got mylar blankets stashed away from each of the races i got one at. i'm not sure if we were planning on ever doing anything with them, but we kept them. they're probably nasty right now, hiding in a box in our guest room.

good to hear about the rutgers half. assume you're still a no-go for nj?

eight years ago, i thought i was just gonna do the one marathon....

themetfairy
Mar 24 2010 01:55 PM
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Thanks marathon. Yes, 10, 15 and 20K sound right.

Yes, I'm still a no go for the NJ Marathon. I don't think the leg will be up to it, and I've officially deferred until next year. After doing NYC I doubt that I'll actually do it, but I'm preserving my rights just in case I decide I want to run it.

Over the weekend, the Tug McGraw Foundation intern told me that they are seriously considering doing Philly's Broad Street Run as a Team McGraw event next year. Ya Gotta Believe I'll be on top of that if they do; after the NYC Marathon, that's the only race longer than 10K that I plan on eventually running.

Fman99
Mar 26 2010 11:48 AM
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Registered for my first ever 5k which will be on May 22nd to benefit Celiac Disease research. Looking forward to it.

themetfairy
Mar 26 2010 12:19 PM
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Best of luck Fman!

Here's my big advice - don't go out too fast, and try not to pace yourself based on how other people are doing. Run your own race, and have fun :)

metsmarathon
Mar 26 2010 02:00 PM
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start towards the back of the pack. not with the walkers, but with the slower runners. you won't be tempted to go out too fast, but you'll also get the opportunity to pass people the whole time.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Mar 26 2010 02:05 PM
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metsmarathon wrote:
start towards the back of the pack. not with the walkers, but with the slower runners. you won't be tempted to go out too fast, but you'll also get the opportunity to pass people the whole time.


very good advice! Nothing more humiliating than being at the front to start!

metsmarathon
Mar 27 2010 09:09 PM
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unless its a ridiculously huge race where i have to worry then about getting stuck behind masses of people, i prefer to be just lightly behind my intended pace group. i'm much better at picking people off as i go, or trying at least to chase them down, than i am at holding off what i feel are faster runners behind me. since my strength is sprinting, i can usually catch my quarry if we're close with 100-200m to go. though, as i'm running faster times, the advantage begins to diminish...

...

today, i decided to try to run a really hard, race pace 10k. because a friend of mine from college recently posted a 10k time of hers, and it got me thinking that i really haven't run many 10k's. so instead of running my planned 5k time trial, i ran a 10k instead. only as i was running, i decided to skip the last half mile to have a little more cushion to get to church. so i only ran 5.8 miles.

the route that i run is not easy. basically, i take my 5k lap, and run two of 'em. it starts out flat for a half mile, then climbs 200 feet in the next 3/4 mile. then back down 200 feet in 3/4 mile. another half mile of flat, and a 100 foot climb in the last half mile with a flat finish. and that's just the 5k. today on the second loop, though, i cut out the last 100/half hill, trading it in for a 30/100yd hill. saved about a half mile and 4 or so minutes - i was running late, pardon the pun. my time for this excruciating thing, was 41:51, which translates to a 7:12 pace. given the terrain, i'm thrilled. hell, even without the terrain being an issue, i'm thrilled. i could've taken 7 minutes to run the last half mile, and i still would've beaten my 10k pr. (it probably would've taken 4...)

i think my 5k training is coming along nicely. i'm looking forward to my target race at the end of april. so long as i stay healthy, i should easily notch a 5k pr. i don't think i can quite get down to 19 minutes, but about 20 is a real possibility. here's hoping!

today's run also got me a 100 mile month for the first time this year. if not for a week off due to a snowstorm, i would have already had one in february, but the rest was nice too. but i'm up to 250 already. 1200+ more to go for the year...

themetfairy
Mar 27 2010 09:14 PM
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Impressive doesn't begin to describe you mm. WTG!

metsmarathon
Mar 29 2010 11:40 AM
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nothing like a crappy day to take my mind off of what should've been a crappy run. i really pushed it this weekend with not one, but two hard 10ks. then i decided to only sleep like 5 hours last night.

today's little box on my training calendar says 3 miles easy. with no sleep, and heavy, tired legs, that's never a good thing. but lo and behold, its 50 degrees and rainy, with lots and lots of puddles all around. and suddenly, its a beautiful day for a run! the typically flat terrain is given life anew, with challenges and obstacles cropping up in the most unexpected places. hopping onto a sidewalk to avoid a puddle and an oncoming car. instead of cutting across a swath of green grass, i have to swing wide and cut a hard turn. at the midpoint of my run, a long straight path turns into a minor lake, overflowing. quickstepping through it minimizes the amount of water in my shoes, but does not entirely eliminate the sogging. all the while, the wet spitting rain in my face keeps me from getting too wrapped up in my head.

i chose to run 4 miles, and cruised easily to finish in 31 minutes. with cheerful sunshine, i probably would've run 9's today...

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Mar 29 2010 09:12 PM
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I did 7 miles in the rain tonight, felt great out there.

themetfairy
Mar 30 2010 06:45 AM
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Nice job Lunchie!

Fman99
Mar 30 2010 06:49 AM
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I'm afraid to run on a treadmill this week. I'm not getting enough sleep, I am worried that I will literally fall down and hurt myself.

I did 30 minutes on the cross trainer type elliptical yesterday instead. Less chance of me falling on my face and I can even close my eyes while I exercise.

Weather is supposed to (finally) take a turn for the better this weekend... we'll be traveling to Maryland for Passover with family but I do hope to get at least one outdoor run in around my uncle's neighborhood.

metsmarathon
Mar 30 2010 06:58 AM
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while i usually do like running in the rain, and especially loved racing in teh rain in college, i hate when it rains on my speedwork days. i'm supposed to do 400m repeats today, but to do them, i've actually got one relatively sharp turn at about the halfway point, and with the expected slippery footing, i'm reasonably certain i'd get myself hurt.

if i had a track, i might be able to do them. since i'm on surface streets, i'll shift the workout to a sunnier day.

Edgy DC
Mar 30 2010 08:00 AM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
I did 7 miles in the rain tonight, felt great out there.

I did 1.1 miles on the treadmill and felt like sheeyot.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Mar 30 2010 08:15 AM
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Well, if it's any consolation I really only felt great for the first 4 miles, when I had a tailwind. I made it home barely alive, and with a fatty blister on my arch.

Edgy DC
Mar 30 2010 08:19 AM
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I'm just getting started again after a few months off. And I'm not mounting the treadmill until after I climb 110 stories on the stair thingie.

But the worst part for me and my ADD is how torturously dull it all is. All youse who wished me a happy biffday a month ago, I'm a perfect candidate for an ipod.

metsmarathon
Mar 30 2010 08:25 AM
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for me to get on a treadmill, i need an ipod, earphones (but not noise cancelling or sound isolating ones), and a television tuned, hopefully, to something other than judge judy.

if i don't have all three of those key components, i can make it no more than two miles. and the last mile is a struggle.

Edgy DC
Mar 30 2010 08:35 AM
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Well, your struggle is a comfort to me.

metsmarathon
Mar 30 2010 08:37 AM
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oh yeah, and if i'm in the front row of treadmills at the gym, and hte wall is, like, 3 feet in front of me, the length of time i can sanely spend on the treadmill is cut at least in half.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Mar 30 2010 08:40 AM
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F the treadmill and go outside. And F the iPod and get a radio, and listen to Met games while you run and when Met games aren't on, listen to your local classic rock station while making notes for future desert island mix tape candidates.

themetfairy
Mar 30 2010 09:27 AM
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I've been avoiding the treadmill lately because of the sore glute/hammy. Today is a cross-training day for me anyway, and I'll be off to yoga in a little while. But I'm sure I'll be back on the treadmill eventually, especially when I want to work in some incline training before the NYC Marathon.

There's rain and there's rain. I like running in light rain on a warm day. Running in monsoons is never fun, though.

I only use my iPod for long runs - anything past five miles. Other than that, I like the silence. It's my Zen time.

On the treadmill, though, I need the TV. Preferably music videos. Now that I have FiOS, the ability to switch between different video channels has been a big help. The videos are a distraction, but don't require a lot of concentration (and the beat helps keep me going). I'll also watch The Daily Show and The Colbert Report on the treadmill, because they entertain me.

metsmarathon
Mar 30 2010 09:39 AM
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yeah... having said yesterday that i like running in the rain, today i'm looking at heavily amending that statement. 40 degrees, windy, and rainy does not make for a fun running day. unless its a race. then it can be fun. i'm hoping to tap into that mentality in about a half hour. i had a hard five mile run scheduled later in the week, but i'll be doing that workout today.

A Boy Named Seo
Mar 30 2010 10:14 AM
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Edgy and Dickshot both back in the fold. Well alright, welcome back, dudes. Def the same as Edgy anytime I'm on the treadmill. I try not to look at the TVs and it becomes a futile exercise in finding something else to hold my attention, and I always fail unless there's a hot chickie on a bike in front of me or something. Back outside as often as I can, but I've mostly been sitting on the beach guzzling tall-boys instead of running. Hoo-haw, summertime!

Fman99
Mar 30 2010 10:22 AM
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A Boy Named Seo wrote:
Edgy and Dickshot both back in the fold. Well alright, welcome back, dudes. Def the same as Edgy anytime I'm on the treadmill. I try not to look at the TVs and it becomes a futile exercise in finding something else to hold my attention, and I always fail unless there's a hot chickie on a bike in front of me or something. Back outside as often as I can, but I've mostly been sitting on the beach guzzling tall-boys instead of running. Hoo-haw, summertime!


The TVs suck. I listen to my iPhone for music.

I do try to position myself behind a round, moving hiney of some kind. It's better than watching Fox News or frackin Maury.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Mar 30 2010 10:30 AM
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Well, I'm back but also back in my erratic fashion. Was doing the gym treadmill 4-5 nites a week in Jan and Feb, but when I finally got outside, my distances increased and my frequency decreased.

The good news (knocking loudly on wood) is that the soreness in the achilles has almost completely subsided, though that whole foot remains wonky and unpredictable. I've come around to realize that the achilles got sore as a result of running with a stiff ankle and tight muscles. Sorta like how badly inflated tires lead to alignment problems or something.

The treadmills at my gym are in front of the rest of the machines. So I watch butt while riding the stationary bike, it's my favorite show.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Mar 30 2010 11:43 AM
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By the way, is anyone as exasperated with MapMyRun.com as me? Jeezus, it threw talking popup ads at me for 5 minutes last night while I was trying (unsuccessfully) to find runs I'd mapped. I recently found Daily Mile, which looks like a Facebook ripoff for girls, but also at least a little user friendly. I just gave it a test ride and looks OK.

Anyone on this? Can we be, um, "gym buddies?"

[url]http://www.dailymile.com/

Swan Swan H
Mar 30 2010 11:46 AM
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I will watch the TV on the treadmill at the gym if I am just warming up before a training session, but for any longer I use my iPod. I hope to actually get outside and run for the first time this weekend, provided my neighborhood hasn't slid into the ocean by then.

metsmarathon
Mar 30 2010 11:55 AM
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i don't think i get popups from mapmyrun.com... or at least i don't notice them. i do get the interstitial "wait 20 seconds or click here" ads, but they're mostly harmless, i guess. at this point, i'm too invested in mapmyrun to switch to anything else. i've got well over a hundred runs logged in there. and while i get annoyed that the mile-markers (but not total distance) are kindof fluid on saved routes, can't understand why you can't sort through your created routes, and find their run search tool to be almost completely useless, i'm probably going to stay there for a while.

...

so, yeah, i only ran 4 miles today. i was gonna run 5, but that would've added another full mile with the wind right in my face, and i was starting to get cold.

ran it in 27:28, or a 6:54 pace. that's only 4 seconds per mile off my 5k pr, and 10 seconds per mile faster than my 5 mile pr. i'll take it...

themetfairy
Mar 31 2010 07:16 AM
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I ran 69.12 miles in March, despite the balky glute/hamstring. Under the circumstances, it's not too shabby.

274.56 miles for the year so far.

themetfairy
Mar 31 2010 07:41 PM
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Before the last game of the season, I could run the Diva's Half Marathon.

Then again, I could show some common sense and take it easy five weeks before the Marathon.

It's a tough call....

metsmarathon
Mar 31 2010 09:07 PM
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actually, 5 weeks before the marathon, a half marathon would nestle rather snugly between a pair of 20's...

there's a good chance i'll be a cheerleader for that, too...

themetfairy
Mar 31 2010 09:24 PM
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It's really tempting.

I'm waiting to hear what my Team McGraw coach says about it.

Fman99
Apr 01 2010 06:44 AM
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40.9 miles for March, 108.28 for 2010 thus far. Feeling pretty good about that, I think my goal is to keep up this pace and get 400 miles in for 2010.

metsmarathon
Apr 01 2010 07:21 AM
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nice work!

setting the mileage goal for the year has really helped motivate me on days when i don't really feel like running. i know i can't take too many days off or i'll fall short, and suffer the punishing embarrassment that would surely follow.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Apr 01 2010 07:49 AM
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I did 33.3 in March, and almost half of that this week. Vacation and post-vacation laziness was a factor. Also rain & self-doubt.

119.6 year to date.

metsmarathon
Apr 02 2010 02:11 PM
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grumble grumble.

today's workout sucked.

the plan was to run quarter repeats. seven of them. ideally in 80 second time or better.

my warmup run consists of a mile and a half, basically all downhill. i run it comfortably, but i'm sweating like a pig already.

i run the first one. 80 seconds. but it was a struggle. i felt like i should have on the 6th or 7th, not the first. i turn around, jog back to my start line. start the next one. by half way, i'm sputtering. running on fumes. pull up to my finish in 87 seconds. ugh! i gather my reserves, and head back. determined to continue on and make a good show of it. i take a few steps. can't quite get my head. i tell my legs to run faster but they don't listen. by halfway, even the fumes have dissipated. disgustedly, i pack it in and stop short of my finish line, stopping my watch at 90 seconds. i feel like shit. i had a bagel and coffee for breakfast, and while i didnt really have lunch, i did have a powerbar (which, granted, expired in august...). maybe it was the two beers last night, or the chinese leftovers last night... or probably its the powerbar...

determined to salvage the workout, i decide, let me at least run up the hill on my street. its about 60-100 yards, or so, and has a good 20' rise. i do ten of them. running hard for 15 seconds is doable. its the next 60 that was killing me. also, probably the powerbar.

on my cooldown mile, i stopped for some $0.25 pink lemonade offered by some local girls down the road.

Rockin' Doc
Apr 02 2010 02:49 PM
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I ran a personal best of 27:28 for the 5K yesterday evening after work. I ended up doing 3.87 miles in 35 minutes on a 1.5 degree slope. It was my first time wearing true running shoes. I had been running in a pair of leather Pumas that I generally wear with jeans or shorts. I have often had tightness in my calves after running and I have recently started developing blisters in my instep now that my distance is increasing.

On Monday evening I went shopping for running shoes after doing some research on the internet. I unfortunately have no arch and like most flat footed people I over pronate when I walk, run, or simply stand. Runners World recommended 5-6 shoes for flat footed runners, so that is what I concentrated on when I went shopping. I bought a pair of Asics GT-2150 and they seemed to ease some of the strain on my calves. I still had mild blisters recurring the last mile or so, but they weren't as bad as they had been previously. The Asics are definitely lighter and a little cooler on the feet.

I think I'm in good shape to make my goal of 5 miles in 50 minutes or less by my birthday in July.

themetfairy
Apr 02 2010 05:01 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

marathon - I'd kill for your suckitude.

RD - WTG!

metsmarathon
Apr 02 2010 06:36 PM
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Rockin' Doc wrote:
I had been running in a pair of leather Pumas ...


gah!

although, it is better than the shoes i started running in - a pair of nike air basketball shoes, only the right one had a flat. at the time i was a flat-footed heel-striker. i was losing so much energy with every step.

then i got my first pair of asics. i run in the gel series, which really oughtta be carried in more running stores (but that's a rant i've already ranted and ranted and ranted), while mrs.mm rocks the gt-series.

if you're running a 5k in 27:28 now, i'd hazard to say that you're a lock for a 45-minute 5-miler in july, pending, of course, the weather and the course. keep up the good work!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Apr 02 2010 06:59 PM
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Hey Doc, I'm in the Asics too, 2140s. (I'll be in the 2150s sometime later this year I figure). Treat your calf pain, the tendons are next in line and you don't wanna mess with them. S-T-R-E-T-C-H those bastards.

metsmarathon
Apr 02 2010 07:12 PM
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what kind of socks are you wearing, anyways?

Rockin' Doc
Apr 02 2010 08:15 PM
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I have been wearing basic white cotton ankle socks. The same thing I wear when golfing. I went out and bought a 3 pack of cotton ankle socks that have padded soles. I'm open to suggestions to keep the blisters away.

Today I went and resumed my lifting after a 5 week layoff (due to my broken right pinkie finger). Even with reducing my weight for all 17 stations, the lifting was a frustrating experience. It's amazing how much harder the workout was today. Hopefully, I will be back where I was by the end of the month. I hope to lift and run tomorrow.

metsmarathon
Apr 02 2010 08:49 PM
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good heavens! cotton socks!

i can't really remember the last time i ran in cotton socks... seriously. it must be almost ten years. maybe i wore 'em once or twice in the interim as a last resort...

as far as suggestions, the easiest thing would be to go to a running store; any of the socks they sell should be 'technical', and will therefore wick moisture away and help prevent blisters. if you don't have one near you, look for words like 'wicking' and 'moisture management' and 'dri-fit' on the socks they have at your local sportsmart. you can even find technical socks in target stores, c9 by champion offers a few last i checked.

as far as running socks go, you typically get what you pay for, and they seem to last a while. i would recommend, however, before you go out and buy up a whole lot of 'em, trying out a couple of varying thicknesses. i typically like my socks to be thicker, at the very least in the sole. mrs.mm prefers her socks be wafer-thin. get a few and try em out before making a huge investment.

you can also get an idea of what all is out there in the world of running socks by checking out roadrunnersports, and excellent online purveyor of running gear. they also have a bunch of brick-and-mortar stores around. personally, i like to support the independent running stores whenever possible*, but road runner sports is eminently preferable to, say, dick's sporting goods or sports authority. the dedicated running stores are tremendous resources, especially for new runners. they're staffed by real, knowledgeable runners and can help you find the right shoes for your feet and the way you run. some of em even have treadmills where they watch you run and use that to help inform the shoe buying decisions.

you'll never run in cotton again! (oh, and if you replace the word socks, above, with either 't-shirts' or 'shorts' the first three paragraphs remain completely accurate. ok, you might need to change 'blisters' to 'chafing'.)


*rant rant rant grr...

themetfairy
Apr 02 2010 09:34 PM
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I went to the Road Runner Sports store near here, and I cannot say enough about the analysis and care that I received there. While I agree with the sentiment of supporting independent stores, I don't think that many indies can match Road Runner's expertise.

Chad Ochoseis
Apr 08 2010 09:09 AM
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Greetings from Punta Cana, where I did my first ever barefoot run. 5.4 miles on the beach, and it´s a lot easier on the knees than running on asphalt with shoes. And coconut trees provide a much nicer backdrop than storage tanks and oil refineries, which is usually what I see on my runs in Jersey.

themetfairy
Apr 08 2010 12:17 PM
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Very cool - enjoy :)

metsmarathon
Apr 08 2010 12:33 PM
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i'm 40 miles from needing new shoes. i think this weekend i'm going to go to my closest running store and ask them, since they (and the remainder of their running store ilk) do not carry the asics gel-1150s that i wear, if they can order them for me instead of allowing me to take my business either to road runner sports online, or, heaven-forbid, dick's sporting goods.

road runner sports' actual store locations, being running stores, also do not carry my shoes. they're nice, basic shoes that's i'd recommend to anybody who is just getting into running and therefore doesn't have any idea what their biomechanics actually are or would be given more practice, they last long and look nice, and are consistently rated best value by runners world. yet no running store carries them. none! ever!

moving up in the asics line gets me either more arch or more stability, neither of which i want and both of which will hurt me. i've tried other brands, but haven't found anything i liked nearly as much. the asics just feel natural and have such a nice toe-off, whereas other brands i've tried always feel like the shoe is trying to take over.

and i'm bummed, too, because there was, for a brief shining moment, a running/cycling store about 3 miles from my house, but i never had an opportunity to support them as i first noticed tehm after i had just gotten a new pair of shoes, and by the time i hit 300 miles on the pair, the store had already closed up shop. now the nearest dedicated running store is 20-25 miles away! and road runner sports is a good 50 miles off.

Fman99
Apr 08 2010 08:10 PM
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Ran outside at my workplace for the first time today -- warm, breezy, and no major hills such as those in my own neighborhood.

Knocked out a 5k in 28:38 and feeling good tonight. Weather's supposed to turn tomorrow, I suppose I'll be back on the treadmill.

Ashie62
Apr 08 2010 08:14 PM
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Fman99 wrote:
Ran outside at my workplace for the first time today -- warm, breezy, and no major hills such as those in my own neighborhood.

Knocked out a 5k in 28:38 and feeling good tonight. Weather's supposed to turn tomorrow, I suppose I'll be back on the treadmill.


Running in bad weather can be quite abit of fun

themetfairy
Apr 08 2010 08:17 PM
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Nice work Fman!

And I agree with Ashie - a little rain isn't going to melt you. Give it a try.

metsmarathon
Apr 08 2010 08:42 PM
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only two types of weather reliably keep me indoors. thunder, and slushy roads. everything else, i run.

Fman99
Apr 09 2010 06:13 AM
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I'll pass, it's only going to be about 48 degrees out and I am already fighting a cold/allergies thing.

themetfairy
Apr 09 2010 06:15 AM
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48 sounds good to me, but so long as you run it doesn't matter to me whether you do it inside or outside.

Feel better!

Ashie62
Apr 09 2010 06:19 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Feel better Fman...I live for 48 and damp up a hill lol

metsmarathon
Apr 09 2010 08:40 PM
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i usually try to run when i have a cold. i like to think its like having a fever that you're in control of. i only have anecdotal unscientific evidence to support my claim, but i swear, 2 times out of 3, i put an end to the cold in a hurry.

the downside is, if it doesn't work, i've probably pissed off the germs something fierce, and they come after me hard in my tired, weakened state...

themetfairy
Apr 10 2010 07:29 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Feel better!

Swan Swan H
Apr 10 2010 08:18 AM
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MM, I took your advice about the socks and got some WrightSock running socks. I haven't gotten any blisters up to now, but my feet definitely were feeling it in my Gold Toe cotton socks. I did the first 25-minute run in the Couch-to-5K plan this morning and the new socks really do make a difference.

themetfairy
Apr 10 2010 09:15 AM
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I just had my best run since the leg injury. 5.15 miles in 59:06. And I hit the 5 mile mark in 57:28. This is my normal pace, and I felt really good out there :)

I'm ready for my half marathon at Rutgers next Sunday!

metsmarathon
Apr 10 2010 09:52 AM
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death to cotton!

Fman99
Apr 10 2010 08:41 PM
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Great running weather today... banged out 3.5 miles in 30:45 and felt great afterwards.

themetfairy
Apr 10 2010 08:43 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Very nice Fman!

Swan Swan H
Apr 11 2010 10:06 AM
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metsmarathon wrote:
death to cotton!


You are a regular boll weevil.

themetfairy
Apr 12 2010 07:14 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Before the last game of the season, I could run the Diva's Half Marathon.

Then again, I could show some common sense and take it easy five weeks before the Marathon.

It's a tough call....


I decided to go for it :)

metsmarathon
Apr 12 2010 07:41 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

sweet! i'm gonna have a lot of cheering to do. mrs.mm and her mom are also running it.

themetfairy
Apr 12 2010 08:26 AM
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Excellent! I figured mrs. m was running, which was one of the influential factors. A Team McGraw friend of mine will also be running it.

From the race, we'll head to Citi Field for the last game of the season. I can wear my boa and tiara into the game ;)

themetfairy
Apr 14 2010 01:34 PM
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This is what I'll be wearing on Sunday, if anyone is looking to cheer me on at Rutgers.

Ashie62
Apr 14 2010 03:58 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

I'll be at the football practice, I'll try and throw skittles at you*

themetfairy
Apr 14 2010 04:24 PM
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I don't promise to catch them. But I'll try :)

Rockin' Doc
Apr 14 2010 06:36 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

The new socks (though still cotton) and Asics are helping. I did 3.90 miles in 35 minutes this evening. I hit the 5K mark in a personal best of 27:24 and my feet feel fine.

Now I need to get better running clothes. Cotton tee shirts and cotton gym shorts are just too hot. This running stuff is starting to get expensive.

metsmarathon
Apr 14 2010 06:52 PM
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bah! a good running shirt and shorts will last you a good long time. years. many years. i've got some pushing a decade. the shorts not as much, but thats mostly because i used to run in slightly shorter shorts. then they started coming out with baggier running shorts about 5-7 years ago, so i've had some turnover there. but still, my oldest shorts are still going strong.

you can go nuts and buy $70+ tops and such, but i rarely spend more than $30 unless its a race souvenir or if i feel like i need one of the expensive thingies for some reason.

Kong76
Apr 14 2010 07:12 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

** moved to Red Light Forum **

themetfairy
Apr 14 2010 07:17 PM
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Rockin' Doc wrote:
The new socks (though still cotton) and Asics are helping. I did 3.90 miles in 35 minutes this evening. I hit the 5K mark in a personal best of 27:24 and my feet feel fine.


Nice going RD!

metsmarathon
Apr 15 2010 01:14 PM
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i wonder how much faster i could run if i got more than, say, 5-6 hours of sleep at night...

themetfairy
Apr 16 2010 12:20 PM
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I'm ready to run at Freakin' Rutgers on Sunday -

metsmarathon
Apr 17 2010 09:17 PM
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good luck tomorrow. get some rest!

themetfairy
Apr 17 2010 09:22 PM
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Thanks marathon :)

themetfairy
Apr 18 2010 11:01 AM
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I am feeling really great right now! I finished the Rutgers Half Marathon in 2:30:59. 18 seconds shy of my personal best, and 11 minutes faster than the NYC Half! More importantly, my leg is feeling great (not 100%, but let's say 93%).

Here I am with my Faith and Fear in Flushing wristband and finishers medal -



And here's a closeup of the medal and wristband -



No more half marathons until September - now I just have to work on dropping the weight I gained while rehabbing the leg and carbing up for the race :)

metsmarathon
Apr 18 2010 01:59 PM
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nice work! how was the course, anyways? i was a little concerned looking at it that it might be a little twisty and sharply turning in the early stages. also, how was the race execution, being a first year event and all?

themetfairy
Apr 18 2010 04:10 PM
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The course had its share of hills. Not Bermuda-esque, but enough to be a factor. It wasn't a straight line, but the turns weren't too bad (there were two turn-arounds, though).

As for the execution, I had two issues -

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The first was that I didn't find mile markers in the middle of the course (miles 7, 8 and 9 IIRC); either they were there and I missed them, or they weren't there. But if they were there, they weren't obvious enough; and

The bigger objection was that the mile markers didn't have timers. I had my GPS watch, so I had a good idea of how I was doing, but in general it bothers me when a race doesn't provide timers at each mile.
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Overall, it was a good race. We parked on the College Avenue campus, which is where the race ended, and there were a lot of shuttle buses to the start at the Busch campus. D-Dad was not able to easily get from the Busch campus to the College Avenue campus, although he eventually was able to get there. There were bands on the course (I did find the Rap DJ at the 11 mile-ish mark was playing inappropriate music. It's one thing for me to swear among adults, but music that constantly spouts the F word is inappropriate for this kind of setting, IMO), the chip time was only one second off from my GPS watch, and the post-race water, pretzels, bagels, etc. were nice. The route was pleasant, and all in all it was a pretty well-run event.

Edgy DC
Apr 19 2010 07:21 AM
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I'm tracking my best buddy Brian today, running in Boston and looking to get back in the low 2:50s.

themetfairy
Apr 19 2010 09:09 AM
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Edgy DC wrote:
I'm tracking my best buddy Brian today, running in Boston and looking to get back in the low 2:50s.


Best of luck to him. He couldn't have asked for more perfect weather!

Edgy DC
Apr 19 2010 09:49 AM
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They have a backwind?

themetfairy
Apr 19 2010 09:59 AM
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I'm just thinking of the sunshine and cool temperatures. I don't know about the wind conditions.

Edgy DC
Apr 19 2010 10:36 AM
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Tailwind or no, he's hit 35K (almost 22 Miles) at 2:25:06.

He's on a pace for 2:55:06 (what a mortal would consider to be gorgeous), but that's dropping. Looks like he's hit the wall.

themetfairy
Apr 19 2010 10:37 AM
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I'd kill for that kind of a time....

Edgy DC
Apr 19 2010 11:02 AM
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2:56:15.

Sweet.

themetfairy
Apr 19 2010 11:09 AM
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Congrats to Brian!

Edgy DC
Apr 19 2010 11:51 AM
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Robert Cheruiyot of Kenya wins it at 2:05:52, chopping a mean 1:22 off the course record.

metsmarathon
Apr 19 2010 12:34 PM
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buddy of mine was aiming to BQ today, starting from the second wave, running as part of a multiple sclerosis charity group. he just finished, actually, at 3:44. he started out way too slow, and probably got locked in to a slower pace right from the get-go. and once that happens, it can be real tough to kick out of that and make up for lost time.

he still pr'd, so he's probably going to be happy about that eventually, but it still totally sucks to miss on a goal like that.

themetfairy
Apr 19 2010 12:40 PM
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I'd kill for 3:44.

I'm making 6:53 my goal. I should be able to finish in less time than it takes the Mets to play a 20-inning game....

Seriously, this is part of the reason why I'll be ok with retiring from distance racing after the NYC Marathon. Not having been blessed with speed, it's often discouraging to see just how poorly my personal bests stack up against other people's....

metsmarathon
Apr 19 2010 12:42 PM
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you'll knock 6:53 on its ass.

i'm willing to push someone down a flight of stairs for 3:44. i'd consider killing for 3:16. in fact, i might have to kill myself to do it....

themetfairy
Apr 19 2010 12:47 PM
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Yeah - I was kidding with D-Dad about making it 6:32. But when the Cards tied the game, I figured that gave me a little more time.

So long as I get my finisher's medal, I'll be happy.

Chad Ochoseis
Apr 19 2010 12:54 PM
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EdgyDC wrote:
2:56:15.

Sweet.


Just for chuckles, I went ahead and calculated the per-mile pace on that. It's 6:43.6.

Twenty-four years ago, when I was 21 and a lot faster than I am today, I ran the best race that I ever ran or that I ever will run. That was a 6:36 pace. For five miles, not 26.2.

I'm seriously impressed.

metsmarathon
Apr 19 2010 01:58 PM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 19 2010 02:09 PM

i've run faster than 6:43 a couple of times, all during a magical 4-6 week stretch in my final year of cross country during which i finally figured out how to run 'fast' for any sort of distance. within the span of about a month, i peeled a minute off my 5-mile pace, and ultimately topped out at 6:06 for 5 miles in a race i actually ran very poorly.

if i am to bq next year, i'll need to get back into that magical realm - its actually rather daunting to think about...

my friend who just ran a 3:44, for instance, is in much better shape than i am, and he still fell very short - though, as i said above, i think it might be a race strategy/placement issue moreso than fitness/ability.

Edgy DC
Apr 19 2010 02:03 PM
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Just heard from a friend in Boston that he was watching the race at about the 20-mile mark and was delighted and suprised to spot Brian. The cool part was that Brian spotted him first. In a crowd of sub-3:00 runners at 20 miles, everyone was dying, and there was Brian waving and yelling, "Paul! Hey, Paul! Call me later!"

Willets Point
Apr 19 2010 06:11 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Edgy DC wrote:
They have a backwind?


Judging from personal experience, the wind was coming from all directions.

Ashie62
Apr 19 2010 11:14 PM
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themetfairy wrote:
I'd kill for 3:44.

I'm making 6:53 my goal. I should be able to finish in less time than it takes the Mets to play a 20-inning game....

Seriously, this is part of the reason why I'll be ok with retiring from distance racing after the NYC Marathon. Not having been blessed with speed, it's often discouraging to see just how poorly my personal bests stack up against other people's....


I'm guessing you are training well..I'm putting your over/under at 4:50

I have a 3:17 back in the dark ages when that was good. Did get me to start at the front for about 5 years before I was toast at that level.

themetfairy
Apr 20 2010 05:28 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Ashie62 wrote:
I'd kill for 3:44.

I'm making 6:53 my goal. I should be able to finish in less time than it takes the Mets to play a 20-inning game....

Seriously, this is part of the reason why I'll be ok with retiring from distance racing after the NYC Marathon. Not having been blessed with speed, it's often discouraging to see just how poorly my personal bests stack up against other people's....


I'm guessing you are training well..I'm putting your over/under at 4:50

I have a 3:17 back in the dark ages when that was good. Did get me to start at the front for about 5 years before I was toast at that level.


3:17 - wow!

Thanks for the vote of confidence, but 4:50 is unlikely. My half marathons have all come in at just over two and a half hours; using the formula where you double that, add 10 minutes and then another 10 minutes for New York's hills, 5:25 would be my absolute quickest. Valerie Bertinelli, against whom I gauge myself and who is faster than I am, ran Boston yesterday in 5:14. So I guess my range is somewhere between 5:14 and 6:53. Honestly, so long as I get that finisher's medal at the end, I don't really care about the time.

On the subject of the NYC Marathon, I am now officially registered for it!


Marathon registration status: Accepted
Entry number: 451563

Ashie62
Apr 20 2010 06:15 AM
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It is all about the finishing and I am completely confident you will earn your medal it with flying colors. I made 4:50 the over under based on a projected per mile time and the effect of endorphins after you hit the first wall.

The best I can do now at my advanced age are 10K runs at about 9 minutes per mile. The motivation to keep running is to maintain fitness and try to stay abit ahead of the curve.

One of the nice things for people who race in this day and age are the availabilty of medals,"stat sheets" photo services and other material perques to help the individual feel special and celebrate their achievment.

At the first Midland run in Far Hills (a half-marathon) you were lucky to get a Pepsi at the end.

There are many people behind you in your effort. That support will push you when every part of your body is telling you to stop.

If that doesn't work just do it for Jerry Manuel

themetfairy
Apr 20 2010 06:23 AM
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Your advanced age pace still beats my best. 30:29 for a 5K, or just under 10 minutes a mile, is my personal best.

Fred Lebow introduced running to the masses with the photos, medals, etc. He wanted running to be for everyone, not just the elite. Without his efforts, I would never be able to train for the Marathon; I'd be mocked for attempting it with my slow speed.

The heck with Jerry - I'm running for Tug!

Ashie62
Apr 20 2010 07:19 AM
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In the before time, think Bill Rodgers & Greta Waitz, the really was no elite. The appeal was limited and I felt like most who were doing it, including myself were perceived as oddballs and even eccentric. There were not many people on roads and trails and the number of events was small. You were more likely to get something tossed at you from a car than today.

It's all good. Sorry about the Manuel reference. I confused the cause with Mets current events.

themetfairy
Apr 20 2010 07:26 AM
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No worries :)

metsmarathon
Apr 24 2010 03:56 PM
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dang....

i had had today's 5k race circled on my calendar for about 5 months, targeting it for a pr. my "advanced" 5k training plan was supposed to culminate in it today.

well, two nights ago, i got all of about 3 hours of sleep thanks to an ill-timed toothache, and while i made up for it with 10 hours of sleep last night, i woke up feeling like i had a fever. great.

so i head out to the race, stop by my bagel shop for a coffee and a bagel, and get there in plenty of time to pick up my number, generally do my thing, drink my coffee, have a mojo bar, etc. the race starts with me three people off the starting line, and i was around them easily - there was no seeding of the starting line, but it was plenty wide enough that the handful of little kids on the line wasn't a problem. we make the first turn of the course, and head downhill, and i'm already in the first group of runners that was starting to separate from the rest. it felt like there were 30 people ahead of me, evenly distributed, but nobody breathing down my neck. i'm not really swapping position with anybody too much, but am trying to accelerate, and i guess i pick off 8 more within the first half mile. at the next turn, i'm the tail end of the lead pack. i'm a little behind the guy in front of me, but there's nobody breathing down my neck either.

i hit the one mile mark in 6:07. that's actually my second fastest timed mile (that i can recall) since college. and i felt good. we'd already dropped some 90' in elevation, which certainly helped the pace, but on the whole i felt like i was cruising. the next half mile is mostly flat, with a little downhill. at the midpoint of the race was the first water stop. i hate that. the cups were smaller than dixie cups - they were practically paper shot glasses. i should've stopped at the water table, but instead i ran by, grabbed a cup, choked on a sip, and tossed the remaining three milliliters on my head. i was already heating up (not tiring, or dehydrating, just.. warming...) and the water was not nearly refreshing enough.

two steps later, the water having already dissipated, the uphill begins. it starts with an intense 20' climb, turns, levels off a teensy bit, and then gradually builds to a 4% grade from about 2.5 miles to 2.75 miles. my two mile time was 6:50. at 2.5 miles, there was another water stop. i walked through this one, for like, three steps, but only took one comically small cup. i should've taken three. my three mile time was 7:45. ugh. i ran the slightly down hill 0.1 in 45 seconds. total time, 21:30. i was gunning for between 20:30 and 20:45. as it is, i took 22nd place overall, 7th in my age group. but my goal time would've put me in the top ten. sigh.

i missed my pr by 15 seconds.

i felt a little like i was gonna hurl after the race, which meant that i had worked myself pretty hard. but my legs felt fine, and my lungs felt fresh. i just had gotten beat by the fever, is all. better water stops might've helped me cool down, and would've kept me going stronger up that last hill. i've run up bigger hills in my training, and have been more tired entering into them, and have run them faster than 7:45. grr.

i kindof wish i were running a 5k tomorrow, cos i still feel fresh. and the self-heating seems like it killed off what ailed me. but instead i'll focus my rage on the long branch half marathon. look out, lbh - i'm coming for you!

themetfairy
Apr 24 2010 07:17 PM
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Sorry that you missed out on your PR. But to do as well as you did with a fever is incredible!

Fman99
Apr 24 2010 08:12 PM
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Congrats on your good time MM.

I ran a PR 26:09 5k around my neighborhood, if the iPhone GPS and iMapMyRun can be trusted for their accuracy that is.

I've stopped actively logging my miles and I've added some non-running (ellipticals, etc.) into my workout routine. I felt like I was pressing too hard just to put up a number, when the whole point of keeping track of my numbers was to help gradually improve my pace. Now that I'm happy with my speed, and the fact that my splits are consistent, I'm just exercising for general health and including running as a part of that. And it feels good.

themetfairy
Apr 24 2010 08:15 PM
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WTG Fman! That's great work :)

themetfairy
Apr 25 2010 07:40 AM
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For the first time since my leg injury I did an incline training run on my treadmill. I started out at 1.5 (the lowest incline my treadmill has) and only got as far as 4.5. For comparison's sake, before Bermuda I would start at 2.5 and eventually get up to 7. But I haven't done inclines in about three months, so it's going to take me a while to feel comfortable doing them again.

Today, though, was an important first step in that direction.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Apr 25 2010 02:22 PM
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I've regained control of my ankle and did my regular Williamsburg bridge over & back 4 times this week. 7 miles a pop and coming in at a leisrely 1:05 ish

themetfairy
Apr 25 2010 03:53 PM
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Very nice Lunchie!

themetfairy
Apr 26 2010 09:14 AM
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I had a decent 5K treadmill run this morning. I'm not quite at the point where I was before the injury, but I feel like I'm starting to approach that level again. The leg hurt a little after the run, but is better after my shower.

It's T-minus 195 days until the Marathon. I'm cautiously optimistic that I'll be ready for it when the time comes.

Ceetar
Apr 26 2010 09:29 AM
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Seems as good a place to ask advice as any..

Given all the cardio options at the gym, I prefer to run, but I find when I get into a regular schedule of getting to the gym my shins and calves tend to just hurt, and I have trouble even running at all.

Bad stretching? weak calf muscles? My body just not built for running? Maybe I'm pushing myself too hard to begin with and straining them more than I should? I generally do 2.5-2.8 miles in 30 minutes, which is about my limit, my heart rate sometime seeming (I don't necessarily trust the machines reading) to reach 180+, which seems a bit high when my max (if I recall high school gym correctly) would be 192.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Apr 26 2010 09:34 AM
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Stretch them calves.

Stand a few feet in front of a wall. Step forward with one foot and try to push the wall down with both arms. Leave the rear foot flat on the ground but keep the weight on the front foot. Stay like that for a few minutes, switch legs.

Also, Downward dog (yoga) is very good

metsmarathon
Apr 26 2010 11:56 AM
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what's your footwear?

also, lunchie's stretch works very well, and c/should be done both with the back leg straight and with a slight bend of the knee. bending the knee stretches the lower calf, keeping it straight stretches the, uh, drumstick. the muscles have real names, but what's the fun in that? i stretch my calves (and quads) both before and after every run. seems to cut down on my injury rate a bit. current conventional wisdom is that after is better than before, if you were to chose only one. but if i don't also stretch my calves first, i don't run as well. my hammies can wait till i'm done.

and finally, how's your breathing as you're running? try relaxing your breathing, slowing it down to a more regular pace with deeper breaths and not many rapid breaths each coinciding with each footfall, and you could see your heart rate drop accordingly. if you breath too rapidly, you actually trick your body into thinking its working harder than it is. you also don't give your lungs enough time to exchange delicious oxygen for that pesky carbon dioxide.

Ceetar
Apr 26 2010 12:04 PM
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good point on the breathing. I do try to keep it a little evener, but often fail.

I usually just walk for a bit afterwards, never really stretched. Probably entirely possible that's part of the problem.

I usually run in bursts, I've never really been able to sustain a pace without getting tired out. So I run/walk/run/walk until the end is mostly walking with occasional bursts. (As you can tell, I'm really bad at running) I like the idea of pushing myself, hence the running, and I've read that running hard for short periods is better for endurance over longer sustained paces.

themetfairy
Apr 26 2010 01:15 PM
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I was going to suggest the stretching, but was beaten to the punch. Downward Dog is a great stretch, as is yoga in general.

Even though you want to push yourself, perhaps you need to slow it down for a little while and build up your speed more gradually.

As for running/walking, there are plenty of people who do that. I know people who are training for the Marathon that way. No need to consider yourself bad at running - this is not a one size fits all activity! So long as you're getting in your cardio work and you're having fun with it, you're doing fine.

FWIW, for years I was much slower than my current snail's pace. But I stuck with it, and when I lost weight my speed improved. Not that you need to lose weight, but my point is that by training regularly for a while, my body was in a position to kick up the gear at a later point in time.

After running, you can try Dr. Watkins' liniment on your calves. That's what Johan uses, you know (and it actually is a nice product).

Ceetar
Apr 26 2010 01:51 PM
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Well if Johan uses it!

I do need to lose weight, and Imagine as my muscles strength and get used to the pounding, when/if I lose 20-40lbs, the reduced strain of force and impact because of that will help.

Of course, I don't really find it fun. (I enjoy calculating my rate of speed in my head and which benchmarks I need to hit to maintain it more so than actually running. My goal is generally to get to the gym at 5:30, and force myself to stay until 6:30-6:40, from which I have just enough time to drive home, shower, and be read to watch/listen to the Mets at 7:10) More of a weight loss thing, my goal is not to allow myself to lapse into weeks and months of inactivity and excuse and undo all the endurance and muscle I've built up.

themetfairy
Apr 26 2010 02:00 PM
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If you do lose weight, it will make a big difference in your running.

I did some 5Ks in 2008 before I lost the weight, and did the same races in 2009 40 pounds lighter. I was running 8-9 minutes faster in 2009 than I did the previous year.

Your mileage may vary (literally and figuratively). But if you do lose the weight, the running becomes easier.

And it also becomes more enjoyable. I HATED running in the beginning, and would actively curse out my doctor while I was running. And I still have days now when I'm slogging. But I also have the days when it feels so wonderful, and I remind myself that those are the days that make the slogging worthwhile.

If you can, try interspersing outdoors running into your routine every so often. Even if you generally prefer the treadmill, it's good to run outside, especially on nice days. The treadmill running gives you a different experience from the outside running, and it's helpful to have both types of running as part of your routine.

BTW, are you near a Road Runner Sports store? They do an excellent job of analyzing your running style and suggesting good shoes for your needs. I highly recommend them.

Ceetar
Apr 26 2010 02:15 PM
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I bought a pair of sneakers..i think they were running sneakers, off a rest stop somewhere between Portland oregon and Sacramento California. They seem to do a pretty good job.

I've thought about trying outside, maybe just driving to a park instead or something, but the main reason I don't is because I do usually lift weights afterwards, and I don't trust myself to keep a reasonable pace or distance up (and my pedometer battery died so I'd have to find a track or something for any real measurement) without the hard numbers in front of me on the treadmill.

I'm hoping through repetition and forcing myself to go at least 3x a week that I'll at least gradually grow to like/tolerate the exercise.

themetfairy
Apr 26 2010 02:19 PM
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Ceetar wrote:
I bought a pair of sneakers..i think they were running sneakers, off a rest stop somewhere between Portland oregon and Sacramento California. They seem to do a pretty good job.



No No No No NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Get thee to a running store ASAP and get runners that are right for your feet! If you're going to take up running seriously, rest stop sneakers are not sufficient!

Actually, I think you should alternate running without the numbers every so often. It gives you a very different running experience. If, over time, you truly want the numbers when you're outside, you can purchase a GPS watch. I'm using one this year for my Marathon training, but I've promised myself that next year I'm going to go back to running untimed. I think it's good for your body and your running to be able to find a good stride without the clock every now and then.

metsmarathon
Apr 26 2010 02:23 PM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 26 2010 02:58 PM

Ceetar wrote:
I bought a pair of sneakers..i think they were running sneakers, off a rest stop somewhere between Portland oregon and Sacramento California. They seem to do a pretty good job.


i just died a little inside.

in all seriousness, there's no single thing you can do that will make running better and easier for you than to go to a running store and finding the right shoes for you. you're never 'not enough of a runner' to go to a running store. it'd be like wanting to get into baseball, but being worried that you're not enough of a fan to go to a game.

the general attitude you'll get from runners, and especially those who y'know, own, operate, and work at running stores, is one of inclusion. the more the merrier, typically, in our sport.

at a running store near you, you'll find experts who are willing to help you get the right shoes for your feet, your biomechanics, and your body type. and they're not going to be the most expensive shoes in the store. well, ok, most of the time they won't be. if you have flat feet and are a severe overpronator requiring 'motion control' shoes, you'll probably start at around $90-100, otherwise you'll start around $75-85 for a good pair of stability or neutral shoes. (i generally don't trust any sneakers below that price point to actually be a running sneaker, unless they're a previous year's model)

believe me, it is an investment worth making.

fwiw, as you can tell, i run as much as anyone on this forum, probably more. my sneakers cost $75 a pop, and i've not found a more expensive model that's better for me. but everybody's different. so pop into a running store, and get fitted for some new kicks.

some stores even have a try after you buy policy. road runner sports, for instance, will give you up to, i think, 3 months to try out your shoes. run in them all you want, and you can return them if they're not right for you. other stores have different policies all the way down to 'step on a street, and they're yours forever' so check with the store first.

and no, the goons a sports authority aren't any help. nor dick's sporting goods. or any of those type stores. you really want to find a store that is dedicated to runners. in a pinch, a store that caters to triathletes would also suffice. hiking, maybe, but i'd doubt it.

once in the running store, you'll also see all kinds of wonderful things like dri-fit and climalite and other such wicking fabrics, and you can begin your journey down the path of cotton-free enlightenment. start with the socks. (ref: a dozen or so posts upstream)

i don't mean for any of this to seem overwhelming, or too much trouble. go to asics.com, brooksrunning.com, or mizuno.com, and hit their store locator. try the nearest dealer with a form of the word "run" in the name. or try and find the nearest road runner sports. i run in asics, and have tried brooks and saucony in the past.

happy shoe hunting!

Chad Ochoseis
Apr 26 2010 02:40 PM
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Better to run in crappy sneakers than not to run at all. But, yeah, for the sake of your knees, you'll probably want to spring for a good pair of running shoes. I work near Fair Lawn and know the area a bit - there's a New Balance on 17 in Hasbrouck Heights, just south of 80. Also a Fleet Feet on Bloomfield Avenue in Montclair. Both are fine stores. Go. Make your fellow 'poolers happy.

Ceetar
Apr 26 2010 02:54 PM
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I think I made that sound worse than it was. We pulled off route 5 while driving south, mainly because we were headed to yosemite and I had completely forgotten to pack sneakers at all. (I actually climbed up about a mile some waterfall near Mt. Hood in flip flops) The sneakers are Adidas running shoes I believe, from the outlet store that was near the highway. They seem to do their job, i.e. I feel like they provide me support, and they don't hurt my feet like past random sneakers have.



Maybe I will try running outside a bit. (though when it's not pouring like it is now) Thought the ultimate goal here is weight loss and calorie burn, my mini-goal is to start getting closer to 3 miles in 30 minutes.

themetfairy
Apr 26 2010 03:32 PM
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3 miles in 30 minutes is way faster than I am :)

I concur that good socks, in addition to good shoes, are a worthwhile investment.

I also am a big fan of New Balance. I have a wide food (no matter how much weight I've lost, my bones aren't getting any thinner), and they fit my foot very well.

I also generally concur with marathon that most running stores are very inclusive. I say most - the Princeton Running Club on Nassau Street was very snooty to me back in my pre-half marathon days, and I won't go back to them now that I meet their standards. But most running stores are more than happy to help newbies get up to speed.

Fman99
Apr 26 2010 07:55 PM
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metsmarathon wrote:
I bought a pair of sneakers..i think they were running sneakers, off a rest stop somewhere between Portland oregon and Sacramento California. They seem to do a pretty good job.


i just died a little inside.

in all seriousness, there's no single thing you can do that will make running better and easier for you than to go to a running store and finding the right shoes for you. you're never 'not enough of a runner' to go to a running store. it'd be like wanting to get into baseball, but being worried that you're not enough of a fan to go to a game.

the general attitude you'll get from runners, and especially those who y'know, own, operate, and work at running stores, is one of inclusion. the more the merrier, typically, in our sport.

at a running store near you, you'll find experts who are willing to help you get the right shoes for your feet, your biomechanics, and your body type. and they're not going to be the most expensive shoes in the store. well, ok, most of the time they won't be. if you have flat feet and are a severe overpronator requiring 'motion control' shoes, you'll probably start at around $90-100, otherwise you'll start around $75-85 for a good pair of stability or neutral shoes. (i generally don't trust any sneakers below that price point to actually be a running sneaker, unless they're a previous year's model)

believe me, it is an investment worth making.

fwiw, as you can tell, i run as much as anyone on this forum, probably more. my sneakers cost $75 a pop, and i've not found a more expensive model that's better for me. but everybody's different. so pop into a running store, and get fitted for some new kicks.

some stores even have a try after you buy policy. road runner sports, for instance, will give you up to, i think, 3 months to try out your shoes. run in them all you want, and you can return them if they're not right for you. other stores have different policies all the way down to 'step on a street, and they're yours forever' so check with the store first.

and no, the goons a sports authority aren't any help. nor dick's sporting goods. or any of those type stores. you really want to find a store that is dedicated to runners. in a pinch, a store that caters to triathletes would also suffice. hiking, maybe, but i'd doubt it.

once in the running store, you'll also see all kinds of wonderful things like dri-fit and climalite and other such wicking fabrics, and you can begin your journey down the path of cotton-free enlightenment. start with the socks. (ref: a dozen or so posts upstream)

i don't mean for any of this to seem overwhelming, or too much trouble. go to asics.com, brooksrunning.com, or mizuno.com, and hit their store locator. try the nearest dealer with a form of the word "run" in the name. or try and find the nearest road runner sports. i run in asics, and have tried brooks and saucony in the past.

happy shoe hunting!


I'll second MM's sentiment here -- I bought new running shoes after two days on the treadmill trying to run in my day to day footwear. I have the flat feet so I did buy a $100 pair, but they're still working great and they could not have been nicer. The store even had a treadmill where they had me run, captured it on video and analyzed my stride to determine what shoe would work best for me.

Fman99
Apr 26 2010 07:58 PM
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Odd -- today was the first time I ran a full 5k on a treadmill since the weather warmed up a month or so ago, and my 5k time today (28:21) was noticeably slower than my last outdoor 5k (26:09). I wonder if the GPS on my phone is just telling me I ran 5k when it's less than that, or if it's just easier to run outside.

I felt like I was working much harder on the treadmill, in fact I had to dial the speed down from 6.7 MPH to 6.5 just to not feel too rushed up there. Strange then that it should take me two extra minutes when I feel like I'm working harder.

themetfairy
Apr 26 2010 08:19 PM
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Fman99 wrote:
Odd -- today was the first time I ran a full 5k on a treadmill since the weather warmed up a month or so ago, and my 5k time today (28:21) was noticeably slower than my last outdoor 5k (26:09). I wonder if the GPS on my phone is just telling me I ran 5k when it's less than that, or if it's just easier to run outside.

I felt like I was working much harder on the treadmill, in fact I had to dial the speed down from 6.7 MPH to 6.5 just to not feel too rushed up there. Strange then that it should take me two extra minutes when I feel like I'm working harder.


Are you sure that the treadmill is properly calibrated?

Fman99
Apr 26 2010 08:57 PM
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themetfairy wrote:
Odd -- today was the first time I ran a full 5k on a treadmill since the weather warmed up a month or so ago, and my 5k time today (28:21) was noticeably slower than my last outdoor 5k (26:09). I wonder if the GPS on my phone is just telling me I ran 5k when it's less than that, or if it's just easier to run outside.

I felt like I was working much harder on the treadmill, in fact I had to dial the speed down from 6.7 MPH to 6.5 just to not feel too rushed up there. Strange then that it should take me two extra minutes when I feel like I'm working harder.


Are you sure that the treadmill is properly calibrated?


Nope. If anything, the fact that I go to a gym with a relatively low monthly fee, and probably 50-60 treadmills, makes me think it's not at all. But I had the same effect when I was running on a treadmill in Utah when I was there for work two weeks back. I attributed that to running at altitude.

themetfairy
Apr 26 2010 09:08 PM
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Well, even if the calibration is off, it still sounds like you're doing a great job. Keep it up!

metsmarathon
Apr 26 2010 11:06 PM
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running outside is just easier. especially if its flat.

its also possible if you're in an area with less-than-stellar gps coverage, like with heavy tree cover, or surrounded by buildings, that your gps measurements aren't terribly accurate, and that the errors inherent to gps measurement are stacking up and adding to the apparent distance you've run. of course, you could always confirm the distance using mapmyrun or some similar mapping program. you may also be able to look at the gps data itself to see if it has you having run in mostly straight lines, or if you were zig-zagging all over the place.

but i wouldn't expect that error to add up to a 7% delta between what you actually ran and what it thinks you ran. double check on a map, and it should confirm that running outside is just way easier than running on a treadmill. i'm personally a lot slower on a treadmill than outdoors. its part mental, but largely airflow related, imo.

an extra-spongy treadmill will also suck out some of your energy from each step. granted, an extra hard treadmill will suck the life out of your joints, so its a tradeoff. i think they mostly tend towards spongy, except the cheap ones that you're not likely to find in an actual gym.

Fman99
Apr 27 2010 06:14 AM
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Thanks MF.

Now that you suggest that, MM, I did get a "weak GPS" warning from my phone before I started, but if you look at the route on the map it's got me exactly on the roads I ran. And mapping them manually on the MapMyRun web site confirms the mileage.

This all leads me to believe that the treadmill is just harder. Which is good -- I've set myself up for outdoor success by training all winter on the damn thing. I don't have a problem with that notion.

themetfairy
Apr 27 2010 06:28 AM
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This is why I was suggesting to Ceetar to train both ways. I think having both experiences makes you a better overall runner.

Fman99
Apr 27 2010 10:23 AM
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themetfairy wrote:
This is why I was suggesting to Ceetar to train both ways. I think having both experiences makes you a better overall runner.


I would agree with that statement.

themetfairy
Apr 28 2010 10:53 AM
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I want to run this next year!

Run To Home Plate at Fenway Park

metsmarathon
Apr 28 2010 11:22 AM
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nice! that's awfully tempting, and it benefits the vets, too.

i really wish the run to home plate would come back to flushing. i mean, it doesn't seem like the actual citi field home plate could be part of the run, unless stairs and corridors would be involved, but at least let us run to the old shea home plate.

themetfairy
Apr 28 2010 11:57 AM
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metsmarathon wrote:
nice! that's awfully tempting, and it benefits the vets, too.

i really wish the run to home plate would come back to flushing. i mean, it doesn't seem like the actual citi field home plate could be part of the run, unless stairs and corridors would be involved, but at least let us run to the old shea home plate.


I'd love that!

themetfairy
Apr 29 2010 10:02 AM
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Since tomorrow is a rest day, I have completed my running for the month of April. I put in 72.04 miles this month. Not bad for someone with a sore leg and some pre/post half marathon tapering.

May will be a low mileage month for me. I have a 10K in June, and after that I'll slowly start building up my long runs again.

It's T-minus 192 days until the Marathon. For the next 27 1/2 weeks, that will be my number one priority.

metsmarathon
Apr 29 2010 11:34 AM
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nice work, all things considering! nothing'll screw up a monthly mileage goal better than a long race, what with taper and recovery time.

i'm at an even 100 miles for april, and i'll probably run 2-3 miles tomorrow. i expect to get a busy may off to an early start with the long branch half marathon on sunday, then i have my local run around lake mohawk 8 mile race on the 22nd, and the spring lake 5 on the 29th. i'm hoping to pr in each, and in each by a not slim margin. but we'll see how that goes. i'll probably need to sleep better, and not guzzle down any more boxes of whoppers.

maybe i shouldn't even buy the box of whoppers in the first place...

themetfairy
Apr 29 2010 11:40 AM
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I'm sure you'll wow us as always mm :)

Swan Swan H
Apr 30 2010 07:22 PM
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I picked up my number tonight for the 5K I'm running tomorrow. This will be the first time I'm running in any kind of race since high school, and I'm really looking forward to it. I have no idea what kind of time I will put up, but I'm just looking to get through it and have fun while I'm at it.

Here's the course:

Rockin' Doc
May 01 2010 09:48 AM
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I did a personal best of 27:20 for 5K this morning. Ended up doing 3.95 miles in 35 minutes. I seem to have reached my peak performance, as I have been consistently stuck between 27:30 -27:40 for a few weeks now.

I'm going to start slowly increasing my running time upwards from 35 mintes so I can start increasing my distance toward my goal of 5 miles. I expect my pace will slow a little in order to have stamina to finish out. My routine of lifting weights for 30-35 minutes before hitting the treadmill does seem to adversely effect my running time a little, but I have to get everything in whenever I get the chance to hit the gym.

Best of luck to Swan Swan H and Fman in their upcoming races. I have yet to run outside as I'm afraid of burning out too quickly without the treadmill to pace me.

Swan Swan H
May 01 2010 11:15 AM
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So my first 5K is behind me. My time is in the books as 33:34, which is probably better than I thought I'd get to when I started training. I ended up 10th of 15 men in my age group (50-54) and overall I couldn't be happier.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 01 2010 11:36 AM
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I voted you Schaefer ROTR. Way to go.

themetfairy
May 01 2010 11:37 AM
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Nice work RD and Swan!

RD - if you really want to pace yourself outside, consider buying a GPS watch.

metsmarathon
May 02 2010 01:41 PM
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today was an excellent day to not run a marathon. or a half marathon. especially after the day we had yesterday.

so we drove down to toms river on friday to spend the weekend at the mm-inlaws' cos its closer to long branch than home. brought minimm along, cos he's really too young to stay home by his lonesome. saturday around 1 we decide to head up to long branch to go to the race expo and pick up my number. we were considering bringing minimm with us, but left him with the mmils instead, as the expo is typically crowded and he wouldn't've enjoyed himself.

we get into west long branch, and are waiting at a light. there's a van in front of us, and a big nissan pickup behind us. the light changes. the van hasn't moved yet, but neither have we. the truck behind us moves. slams into the back of our car! then hits us a second time!!!! i guess the driver mistook the brake for the gas...? so we're a little shaken up. also very happy the kid isnt with us. but otherwise fine i guess. the bumper has some scuffs and tears on it, and the trunk lid has a small dent, but no functional damage. his truck looks like it just hit something. twice. a cop comes up, and we pull into a side street to get it all written up.

we discover, naturally, that we only have last year's insurance card with us. and of course, the insurance company is closed, so he's unable to confirm our insurance. but we seem trustworthy, and weren't at fault, so he tells us to just fax him the insurance card in the next 24 hours. great. home is still an hour and a half away, and we've still got a race expo to go to. we'd already been in the car an hour and a half. its 2:30. mrs.mm calls her parents to tell her we'll be a while, and why...

get to the expo, no issues. get the number, do a teensy bit of shopping, get some coffee and a scone. leave at 3:30. get to the parkway about an hour later. traffic sucks getting to it. at 6:00 we get home. the insurance card turns up readily, but our scanner, which should be able to send faxes, doesnt work. we scout out a staples on the way back to the parkway. first we get dinner.

i had a spinach, bacon, & parmesan salad and a delicious garlic rubbed rib eye - usually i don't like rib eye cos its too fatty, but this was terrific. i figure, i need a beer. blue moon with an orange. yum. also got a chimay something or other, which was ok, i guess. both fruity and hoppy. i don't really care for hoppy beers. we realize we left something at home, dash there real quick and head back out. the dinner cost us an hour, the stop at home, maybe 20 minutes.

get to staples, do our thing, and, since we're there and we're never in stapleses, i see if i can find those semi-permanent post-it labels that i've seen advertised. i don't think they actually exist. but i got a nice new zebra pen. i love zebra pens - they write so smoothly for a non-gel ink. wish they had refills for 'em there...

by the time we get back to the mmils, its 10 pm. and the kid is fighting off sleep. he's had a busy day in a very new place, and while they tried to keep his routine as normal as possible, he knew something was off. it was already an hour past his bedtime. he's happy to see us, but is so overtired, he's screaming. full on, red faced, real tears, screaming. he calms down. we put him down. he passes out. but wakes up soon after, and the nightlight is out, so he's panic-stricken. he doesn't calm down for almost another hour. by 12:30, i'm able to get to sleep.

we wake up at 5:00 to head to the race.

the race starts at 9:00, and while leading up to the start, the clouds were out and there was a nice breeze coming in off the ocean, it started getting noticably warmer as the time drew nearer. i situate myself just behind of the 3:10 marathon pace group. the race starts, and i'm running freely, feeling pretty good. first mile in 7:04. the weather report said the clouds would stick around for the day. it lied. second mile in 7:15. we've turned inland, away from teh delightful ocean breeze, and the clouds all run and hide. third mile in 7:56, with a pit stop. the first water stop was at 1.5 miles. the second at 2.5 miles. i was expecting one at 3.5. i could really have used it... fourth mile in 8:08. where is that water stop? oh, there it is... almost at 4.75 miles. this was the only such gap in water coverage, but since i was already starting to notice a) hey, i'm kinda tired from yesterday, and b) its fucking hot out, it was just enough to discourage me for the day. i should mention that my back had already started to tighten up a little, which is probably normal, but stole some of my meager and rapidly waning focus as i pondered the potential impact of yesterdays impacts. the tightness went away, but my focus never returned. by 6 miles i was actively pondering dnfing, cos i really didn't give much of a shit at that point. i walked the first half of the seventh mile.

at mile 9 was the best part of the run. minimm was there with mrs.mm and the mmils. i had no qualms whatsoever about spending like 3-5 minutes on the side of the race course with them.

in the next two miles, i'd say there were about half a dozen or more runners passed out on teh side of the road. it was fucking hot, with a blazing sun. luckily, the paramedics seemed to be on top of it, as they were all being tended to, thank god. i seriously hope they called in the reserves for the second half of the race. every time i saw someone, though, i slowed up a little, because, seriously, there's no point in killing myself, especially since i'm way off my pr anyways.

the last mile is back along the beach, and that delightful ocean breeze had returned. if only that breeze could've penetrated more than half a friggin block! but it was so good. feeling less baked and fried and cooked and grilled and - uh, have i left anything out? - i ran a little harder that mile. i briefly considered what it would take to come in under 2 hours, and didn't like the 7:00 mile pace answer. so i chugged in the last 1.1 in 8:58, and crossed the finish line at 2:02:10, with a net time of about 2:01:38.

my goal going into the race was 1:38 or there abouts. so i missed it by a few.

but i figure, i couldn't ask for a better set of excuses, er, rather, really good reasons as to why not.

so that's two races down that i've tried to pr in, and no prs, and a good modicum of frustration. i'm in way better shape than i was last year, but can't friggin prove it. sigh.

i need some good sleep and some cloudy days the last two wekends of the month, or i'm just not going to be terribly happy...

themetfairy
May 02 2010 03:21 PM
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I'm impressed that you did it at all mm - you awe me!

Fman99
May 03 2010 08:26 PM
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Best 5k time yet, 25:57 at a local park. Perfect day out there for running.

MM, MF, how many miles are you putting on your shoes before you swap them for new ones? Do you have a set number or do you wait for them to feel different? Mine still feel good after a couple hundred miles worth at this point.

themetfairy
May 03 2010 08:31 PM
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WTG Fman! I've never had that kind of speed - I'm envious.

As for shoes, I don't really keep track of each pair. But I have several pairs of shoes, and I alternate them. When a pair gets old, I convert them to walkers. And when they get really old, I save them for beach vacations and trash them after the trips.

It's not scientific, but so far it's worked out ok.

metsmarathon
May 03 2010 09:45 PM
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well, i started tracking my mileage so i could tell how 'old' my shoes were. after 250 miles, i notice a difference, and by 300, i feel i can no longer run in them. the cushioning feels flat. also, by 300 miles, i've started to wear away the outsole in places.

on the pair i just retired, i've worn the outside edge of the forefoot down to a paper-thin layer of black rubber, and under the ball of my foot, i've worn the more durable rubber down right under the ball of my foot.

the rubber on the heel is practically virgin. i run weird.

you should get at least 300 miles out of a pair of running shoes. more if you're lighter. less if you're not. i feel like i beat the hell out of my shoes cos i'm putting 200 lbs into one spot on the shoes that's not where its primarily designed to take the pounding. i think heelstriking puts that force into a more built-up and resilient part of the shoe.

the treadwear isn't always the best indicator of the life left on your shoes. really its the midsole that does most of the work, and does all the cushioning. its harder to tell when that's broken down, other than feel, i think.

runnersworld.com also has some tips on when to look to replace your shoes.

but i should eventually take a picture of what's left of these soles, for demonstrative effect.

once retired, my old runners get demoted to walking shoes. after that, they would either get bused down to lifting shoes, yard shoes, or softball shoes. then they collect in the garage. i think i've got four or five pair down there right now...

themetfairy
May 04 2010 05:15 AM
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Thanks for the tips mm - as always, your advice is exceedingly helpful.

Rockin' Doc
May 08 2010 06:05 PM
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This afternoon was the first time that I had run on 3 consecutive days. Thursday I lifted for 30 minutes and then ran 3.84 miles in my usual 35 minutes. Yesterday, I opted not to lift since I was concerned that 3 straight days might make me too stiff and sore. So I decided to extend my time to 40 minutes on my run. I slowed my pace a little so not to burn out at the end, but I covered 4.33 miles which is my longest run since I was 20 or 21 years old. Today I returned to the weight room before running 3.90 miles in my usual 35 minutes. Surpriingly, I feel great other than some mild fatigue in my hamstrings.

I have become a firm believer in how helpful the right equipment is when running. My Asics running shoes have stopped the blisters and soreness I was experiencing when running with my beloved leather Pumas. Today, I ran for the first time wearing actual running shorts and shirt. It's hard to believe how much more comfortable and seemingly cooler I was during and after my run. I just got back from purchasing 3 more shirts and 3 more pairs of shorts. I plan to never run in cotton tee shirts again.

I feel I can now officially say that I am a runner. I initially started running this year in hopes of losing some weight. I may from time to time skip out on a workout, but I ultimately feel a little guilty for having done so. I generally view my runs with a faint sense of dread, but ultimately I enjoy the sense of self satisfaction it gives me once I'm finished with my workout. I will never set any speed records and I may never run in an actual race, but I think I will continue to lift and run as long as my body will allow me to.

metsmarathon
May 08 2010 06:18 PM
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nice work! don't be scared off from races - you're not competing against anybody but yourself in them. and they often support good causes, either local or national.

some of em even give away technical shirts, tho most are still cotton.

themetfairy
May 08 2010 06:25 PM
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WTG RD!

And I agree with mm. Races are fun, no matter what your speed.

Ceetar
May 08 2010 07:05 PM
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A friend of mine suggested i go do some silly/crazy 5k 'obstacle course' or something down in..I think itwas Virginia. Sounded at least intriguing (even if I struggle with running 3 miles at anything approaching 'pace') but it's two days before my wedding, so probably not a wise decision.

themetfairy
May 08 2010 07:09 PM
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Good call Ceetar - you don't want to walk down the aisle on crutches.

metsmarathon
May 08 2010 07:11 PM
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i'm tempted to do one of them one day also. they sound like a ton of fun

Fman99
May 10 2010 08:50 AM
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Today I feel like a runner.

Not because of any specific workout or accomplishment. Just occurred to me that if someone asked me if I was a runner, I'd say yes.

I went to the gym Saturday and banged out a 28 minute and change 5k on the treadmill. The weather in Syracuse has been pretty lousy with no relief in sight... I know, you purists will tell me to man up and go run outside on a cold, windy, crappy day. Thanks, I'm cool.

I am taking pride in my accomplishment... going from a labored 30 minute run in November 2009 to get all of 2.15 miles done, to consistently banging out 26~ minute 5Ks outside and 28~ minute 5Ks on a treadmill, being able to do this 3 times a week and not suffer any physical after-effects, I'm pretty pleased.

It does look like I'll be skipping the 5K I signed up for on May 22nd. Fboy has a tee ball game that morning and I'm already missing a handful of his games that are on Thursday nights, because they conflict with my golf league. He has just two Saturday games, the 15th and 22nd, so I'll look to pick up a 5k starting on the weekend of the 29th. I think there's one on June 5th that my sister in law is running; maybe I will make that my first race of the year.

themetfairy
May 10 2010 09:39 AM
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If you feel like a runner, then you're a runner. Welcome to the club Fman!

My accomplishment today isn't as impressive as Fman's. But I ran 3.3 miles in 35:59. It's slow, but it's my normal slow (actually, even a little faster than my normal slow). My leg had been barking for the last few weeks, but today it felt really good, and I was significantly faster than I was over the past few weeks. It felt good to be running at a relatively good clip while being pain-free :)

Ceetar
May 10 2010 09:42 AM
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Got to the gym three times last week. Wednesday I got to 2.75 miles in 30 minutes, but Friday I just felt worn out and my shins hurt a bit and I only could push myself to 2.55 (and that only because I refuse to accept less than 2.5 so basically ran through the pain) I did continue walking to round out the 3 miles though.

Tonight and tomorrow I should go to the gym off the unhealthy weekend, but I'm thinking about going to Citi instead. (I packed both my gym bag, and my jersey and orange sweatshirt this morning) I wish I hadn't killed the battery in my pedometer though, because I certainly rack up quite the distance when I go to games by myself. Last time I checked I ended up walking about 5 miles during the game.

themetfairy
May 10 2010 09:48 AM
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I find that I burn a lot of calories walking at Citi Field.

Ceetar
May 10 2010 09:54 AM
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Well, it's not the burning that's the problem, it's the stopping for beer and tacos ;-)

themetfairy
May 10 2010 11:21 AM
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They do have lite beer and salads, you know

Rockin' Doc
May 10 2010 07:14 PM
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I was cruising along pretty comfortably this evening and had just passed the 20 minute mark (roughly 2.27 miles) when I felt sudden tightening in my left hamstring. After a few more uncomfortable strides I decided to pause the treadmill for a moment while I took stock of my legs condition. I got a brief drink from my Sobe Lifewater, stretched for minute or so then hopped back on the treadmill and started walking gingerly. I walked for two or three minutes before gradually increasing my speed to a relaxed trot. My left hamstring was tight and annoying, but it never siezed up on me and I was able to get 3.76 miles in my 35 minutes.

My leg is mildly sore and feels a little weak right now. I'll probably take a few days off before running again. I will probably continue to lift weights, but I'll skip the leg work until my leg feels better.

themetfairy
May 10 2010 09:55 PM
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Good plan RD. Feel better!

themetfairy
May 13 2010 09:05 AM
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Today I ran 3.8 miles in 41:21. Hardly a land speed record. But last week I needed 46:40 to cover the same distance. So it's nice that my speed, as minuscule as it is, is returning.

Ceetar
May 13 2010 09:10 AM
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That's about 1.5minutes off each mile. quite a jump!

themetfairy
May 13 2010 09:25 AM
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Some of that is weather related. Some of that is my leg injury healing.

What was interesting about today's run is that I was relatively fast, despite the fact that the leg hurt.

Fman99
May 13 2010 10:15 AM
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Ran a 5k on the treadmill yesterday in 28:04.

Registered for my first 5k, Saturday June 5th in downtown Syracuse. Should be fun.

themetfairy
May 13 2010 10:26 AM
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I'm sure it will be fun Fman - have a great time!

And make sure to get pictures of the big event!

Also, I like to keep my race bibs. I jot down the race name, the date, the length of the run, and my time. It's a nice memento.

Fman99
May 13 2010 10:29 AM
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themetfairy wrote:
I'm sure it will be fun Fman - have a great time!

And make sure to get pictures of the big event!

Also, I like to keep my race bibs. I jot down the race name, the date, the length of the run, and my time. It's a nice memento.


I will have to ask the wife to snap a few photos that day.

My son is looking forward to it also... they have a special free 40 foot "caterpillar crawl" for kids age 0-5, so both Fboy and Fgirl can participate after I finish my race.

themetfairy
May 13 2010 10:54 AM
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You'll definitely want pictures of that!

Swan Swan H
May 13 2010 11:33 AM
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Good luck, Fman. I had lots of fun doing my first 5K a few weeks ago.

I have signed up for two more 5Ks (May 22 in Levittown and June 26 in Island Park) plus a four-miler on July 4. I'm also going to try to get to the Wednesday night runs at Eisenhower Park whenever the weather looks good and I can get out of work in time to change and get there for the 6:45 registration.

MF, that's an awesome improvement there. I'm sure you felt great when you saw your time.

themetfairy
May 13 2010 12:22 PM
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Thanks Swan. I was following along on my GPS watch; I can usually tell during the first mile how I'm doing in general.

Good luck on the upcoming races!

metsmarathon
May 13 2010 02:17 PM
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awesome work mf!

i kept all my race bibs from college and likewise kept track of date, time, etc. (and should dig them out sometime...). i still have pretty much all my race bibs from the races i've done since, but i didn't keep up with the marking of them and i kindof wish that i had. luckily most of those races show up on my athlinks.com page, so its all recorded somewhere.

we're going to be going to our alumni homecoming in a few weeks, and there's always a lollipop race for the little kids. unfortunately, minimm is still a little bit aways from totally figuring out the crawling thing. he's close, but i don't think he's going to be able to self-locomotivate for any appreciable distance in time. we'll get him started on training for next year, though!

i ran a "5k" at work today, myself. its really a 3.25 mile course, because they're too lazy to figure out that if they moved the start line, they'd actually have a 5k, but whatever - its a fun thing to do during the morning for workplace morale. they've got the first and second mile marked accurately, and i know where the third is, and pretty much know where the actual 5k distance is, so i can accommodate their error. :)

i usually hang back a bit at the start of this particular race because i've had a tendency to go out too fast in the past and burn out, but a buddy of mine decided to insert himself into the lead pack of 5-6 runners from the get-go, so that motivated me to try to join him. i was with him after the turn at a quarter mile, and passed him by as he realized his own folly. but i was determined to hang on. the lead pack, now of 4 or 5 runners, was pulling away, as we have some really fast runners on post. but after them was me. i came to the first mile in about 6:12 and felt good. i had one runner on my heels, we jockeyed position briefly, but on a turn, i accelerated, and created a small gap. i could hear behind us there was a pair of feet with fast turnover, so i knew somebody was gaining on us, too. he caught and passed me at around 1.5 miles but game me an incentive to go faster. i had felt like me and that second runner had been falling into a bit of a lull that my new competitor woke me out of. the gap between us and the lead pack was still growing. i took advantage of the insides of some slight bends in teh path to close on my competitor and, switching gears, passed him at the 2 mile mark. that mile took 6:40. like i said, with no real contact with the lead pack, we'd slowed up a bit. in a quarter mile, we exited the woods and got onto a road through the post golf course. i could feel that i was building a lead as i no longer heard the footsteps right behind me.

i don't like not having anybody to chase. i felt like i was on an island out there by myself, ripe to be picked off by a runner with a good kick. and i knew i was losing focus ever so slightly. i probably should've forced myself to change gears just for the sake of it. but i exited the golf course all the same, made a turn, and had about a half mile to go. the next turn was at 3 miles, and as i approached it, i thought i could hear some footsteps gaining on me. i had to push the final quarter mile, if only to discourage him from getting a real kick going. we make the turn, and i don't look back to give him the satisfaction of knowing that i know that he's there. how far back, though, i had no idea. that mile came in at 7:02. my lack of focus really set me up for getting caught there... my 3-mile time was 19:55. i kicked, but was still wary of kicking too hard too soon. i passed by what i believed to be the 5k mark in about 20:30 or so, which would be a pr by about 45 seconds. another hundred yards, and the final turn presented itself. i was pretty sure i'd done my job of maintaining my lead, or at least discouraging my chaser. i pressed on to the finish line, crossing it in 21:24. the last quarter mile took me 89 seconds, which is about what i've been running my quarter mile repeats in, and supports my estimated 5k time of 20:30. i finished 4th or 5th overall, and beat the guy behind me by about five seconds.

finally, i have a pr to show for myself this month, after a pair of failed attempts. unfortunately, since this is really just an unofficial race, it kindof doesn't count, or get recorded anywhere but the dusty recesses of my memory, but its nice to have nonetheless. and despite the good finishing time, i feel like i actually raced rather poorly, losing focus for that third mile and allowing myself to slow as much as i did. i actually felt pretty fresh afterwards, supporting my belief that i should've run faster, and might go out for a little run this afternoon, since my training plan says to run 6 today, but we'll see.

still have two more races this month - a hilly 8 mile "run around lake mohawk" next saturday and a flat "spring lake 5(miles)" over memorial day weekend - that i'm going for prs in. and i think i might be entering into the o'burg 5k in june to try and get an official 5k pr.

themetfairy
May 13 2010 03:11 PM
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I love the descriptions and accounts of your races mm - they're enthralling.

WTG on the race - well done!

themetfairy
May 14 2010 09:19 AM
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Today I ran 5K in 35:42. Slower than yesterday's pace, but a good two minutes faster than a week ago.

I think the humidity was a factor today - yesterday was cool and dry, and I think that contributed to my good run.

I'm not back to my pre-injury shape, but I do feel like I'm slowly improving.

Fman99
May 14 2010 08:04 PM
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Set another personal best, running a 5k today in 25:44 at the local park by my house.

Busted it out of the gate as I was feeling good and it was such a warm sunny day, I was feeling very loose. Hit 1 mile at 7:40 and 2.5 miles at 19:55, both well above my normal pace.

But I had gone too hard too soon and the heat caught up to me. Felt a little tight in my back and was just gassed, sweat pouring into my eyes also (I am going to buy a headband tomorrow). I actually stopped running and walked for about 75 seconds at that 2.5 mile mark, and then ran at a closer to my usual pace for the last part of the run. And even with the walking, bested my PR time by 13 seconds. Feeling pretty good leading up to that June 5th race I'm signed up for.

themetfairy
May 14 2010 09:36 PM
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WTG Fman!

metsmarathon
May 14 2010 09:43 PM
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excellent work!

themetfairy
May 16 2010 10:23 AM
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Today my 5K was in 34:30. Not a land speed record, but over a minute faster than on Friday.

I guess the bottom line is that some days are better than others.

metsmarathon
May 16 2010 07:08 PM
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today was such a nice day out! i had been thinking about running the inaugural superhero half marathon in morristown, but about a month ago, i decided not to - too many other races this month that i was trying for, that this could throw a big ol monkey wrench into, plus the whole taking up of valuable weekend time.

i think quite clearly, i should have run this race, and not run long branch. the weather was perfect today. so i ran 12 miles at home instead. big hills, no race support, and only one quick stop at a water fountain for hydration, and i ran it in an 8:09 pace. only 15 seconds off my half marathon pace, and i wasn't running to run fast today. so i'm happy about the run, but still cranky about long branch. i should get over that someday. maybe if i pr next week - the course is basically what i just ran, minus 4 miles and 150' of hill. so i should be in good shape, particularly if the weather is anything like today.

Fman99
May 16 2010 07:36 PM
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Ran at a more steady pace today and clocked a 5k at 25:58. Fwife brought the kids to the park and they played while I ran, then we all sat by the lake and watched while the kids swung, slid, and threw rocks in the water, then out for lunch. Nice day all the way around.

themetfairy
May 17 2010 09:16 AM
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I'm sorry marathon. I feel responsible for you choosing Long Branch. I wish it had worked out better.

Meanwhile, if I was happy with yesterday's 5K in 34:30, then I'm ecstatic over today's 3.2 miles in 34:13! I ran well out of the chute, saw that I ran the first mile in exactly 11 minutes, and just kept pushing :)

metsmarathon
May 17 2010 09:28 AM
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nah, i had another friend who was going to run it on a relay team but backed out 'cos of a persistent achilles issue, and the inlaws usually run it, too, but i signed up first, and they decided not to run it. it was a group effort!

plus, its a course that's ripe for a pr since its so darned flat.

and if i raced a half marathon yesterday, i'd be shot for saturday's coming pr attempt on a hilly course.

so its all good.

themetfairy
May 17 2010 09:49 AM
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OK - glad to hear it.

I'm sure you'll do great marathon - I'm in awe of you!

themetfairy
May 17 2010 07:22 PM
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I just signed up for the 5th Avenue Mile on September 26th.

I'm going to suck at it, but what the hell - I always wanted to do that run on 5th Ave!

metsmarathon
May 17 2010 07:55 PM
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well, that's why you need to do speedwork!

you'll do fine. i predict you'll be surprised at how quickly you cover the mile. at the very least, with all the marathon training, it'll barely feel like anything.

the one thing i wasn't expecting teh first time i ran it was that 5th ave is slightly uphill for the first half mile, then it crests and takes you similarly downhill for the second half. the overall elevation change is, i think, negligible, but in a sprint, its palpable. also, its nice to know that its only the first half. i didn't fully appreciate that the first time, so i was getting discouraged as i ran it. then i reached the summit, noticed for "half mile" sign (ok, it might've been 800m), and felt much better about it, wishing i hadn't slowed as much as i had.

then the second time i ran it i learned something else - while thy do chip timing, they don't get your start time. i started at the back of my age group pack by design - i wanted to chase people the whole way - and was trying for sub-6 minutes. well, even though it was like 10-20m, it still took a few seconds to get from the back of the pack to the mile start line. i finished with a 6:01. grr. i met my goal, but can't objectively prove it. prolly not an issue that you're concerned with, but an interesting thing to notice.

i was thinking of doing it last year, but decided against it. it would only have hastened my ultimate early burnout, plus i think i had a 5k the week before, or the day before, i'm not sure. this year i have a friend's wedding the day prior, and that's not going to be good pre-race prep. so i'm rather unlikely to consider running it.

themetfairy
May 17 2010 08:05 PM
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As always, thanks for the tips mm!

I'm not expecting greatness - I'm sandwiching this in between two half marathons (Philly the weekend before and the Diva the weekend after). I'm just looking forward to running on Fifth Avenue - it should be fun :)

themetfairy
May 19 2010 12:07 PM
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This looks like it is going to be so much fun!

Fman99
May 20 2010 10:24 PM
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Another new personal best, 25:31 for 5k in the park today. Felt good, too -- not over-exerting myself and keeping a good pace.

The park where I'm running has markers every quarter mile, which also helps for keeping track of my splits. My goal is to run 8 minute miles/2 minute quarters and get through a 5k in 25 minutes. I'm getting closer each time out.

themetfairy
May 21 2010 05:20 AM
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WTG!

themetfairy
May 21 2010 07:58 AM
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I ran like crap today - 12+ minute miles.

I don't know whether it's because the leg was barking or because of the humidity, but I just never got into a good groove today.

I suppose this crappy run will make me appreciate the good ones more. And it's still better than I was doing a few weeks ago.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 21 2010 08:06 AM
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If it's any consolation I had a crappy slow run last night too. Made my whole distance but the s-l-o-w-e-s-t I'd run that far in months.

themetfairy
May 21 2010 08:13 AM
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Thanks - it's nice to know that it's not just me.

Swan Swan H
May 21 2010 09:30 AM
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I have my second-ever 5K tomorrow morning, through the streets of - as they describe it - "Historic Levittown." OK, it's not the ruins of Pompeii, or even the Boston Freedom Trail, but it's fifteen minutes from home and it's for a good cause. Weather should be fine, and I'm looking forward to seeing if I can challenge my time of 33:34 from earlier in the month.

Fman99
May 21 2010 10:48 AM
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I have my second-ever 5K tomorrow morning, through the streets of - as they describe it - "Historic Levittown." OK, it's not the ruins of Pompeii, or even the Boston Freedom Trail, but it's fifteen minutes from home and it's for a good cause. Weather should be fine, and I'm looking forward to seeing if I can challenge my time of 33:34 from earlier in the month.


Good luck Swannie!

Chad Ochoseis
May 21 2010 10:55 AM
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Swan Swan H wrote:
and it's for a good cause


It looks like some web designer just discovered that now that it's the 21st century, you can vary colors and fonts as much as you want.

Anyway, it looked like it was a great cause, although I had to stop looking at the site after about fifteen seconds because it was giving me a headache. Good luck!

Swan Swan H
May 21 2010 11:11 AM
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Thanks, guys.

Rockin' Doc
May 21 2010 01:48 PM
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Best of luck 2SwanH. I'm sure you will do fine. I gain encouragement from my fellow running neophytes (Swan Swan H & Frman). I am proud of your accomplishments and you help to push me onward.

I had the afternoon off today so I just got back from finishing my workout at the gym. I did my 30 minutes of lifting and then some light stretching before hitting the treadmill for a 40 minutes run. I knocked out 4.52 miles with a steady pace. My splits were 2.27 miles the opening 20 minutes and 2.25 miles the final 20 minutes. I'm glad to report that I can now do the entire 40 minutes without any walking, though I did slow down to 5.7-5.8 mph for few minutes in the middle of the time to conserve some energy.

I have yet to brave running outside in the southern heat and humidity. Having the treadmill give me constant feedback regarding my distance and time has become a crutch for pacing myself. Besides the treadmill is where the weight room is at. I plan to expand my run time enough to reach my initial goal of 5 miles in 50 minutes (or less) sometime next week. Probably targeting either Friday or Saturday to knock that one out. Once I obtain that goal, I may consider giving an outside run a try.

Keep up the good work all. The members of this thread are like my long distance running buddies.

Fman99
May 21 2010 06:51 PM
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Nice work Doc!

I knocked a full 49 seconds off my previous best 5k time today, finishing at 24:42. Felt good, too. I did go and buy a headband as I'm getting a lot of sweat in my eyes. I LOVE running on a warm day, so easy for me to get loose.

metirish
May 21 2010 08:43 PM
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All the best Swanie...

Bob Ojeda runs five miles a day.

Swan Swan H
May 21 2010 08:45 PM
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metirish wrote:
All the best Swanie...

Bob Ojeda runs five miles a day.


He has that aerodynamic hairpiece. I'm just mostly bald.

metirish
May 21 2010 08:48 PM
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I've seen pictures , mostly is a bit economical with the truth.

Swan Swan H
May 22 2010 09:18 AM
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Me and my bald head finished the 5K this morning in 31:26, down over two minutes from the 33:34 I ran my first time out on May 1. A lot of that had to do with less congestion on the course (the first mile split was over 2 minutes lower this time, and it held steady from there), but I think I paced myself a bit slower than I needed to last time as well. It's not Usain Bolt, but I'll take it and try to chip away a bit more next time.

Rockin' Doc
May 22 2010 10:41 AM
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Great job. It's great to help a worthy cause and help your personal well being in the process.

themetfairy
May 22 2010 12:02 PM
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Nice job!

metsmarathon
May 22 2010 07:00 PM
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So today I ran the Sparta day run around lake mohawk. It's an 8 mile race around the lake, with some decent hills.  The first half mile takes you up about 100' of hill and the next half takes you back down. I ran that first mile in 7:35. Passed a few people on the way up, and got passed by like five by the time I hit the first mile, including the first two women. The second mile, mostly flat, passed in 6:40. My slot in the race was pretty stable.  The next mile, also mostly flat, came in 7:30ish, which kindof surprised me. As a collective group, I think we all basically slowed down.  The three people I was chasing stayed pretty much in the same place. At about 3.5 I started making a move. The rollercoasters were about to start and I'd been conserving my energy for here. 
My first target was a guy who had the misfortune of having his headphones yanked off by a branch.  I think it threw off his focus because tho he recovered and passed me, he couldn't keep it up and fell behind at the first sharp little hill. I had the #2 woman in my sights as we ascended the second 100' hill - this ones a little more drawn out than the first - and on the downside I pass her, and I think another guy.  There was one more guy I was running near, and the first woman just ahead of us. 
There was one downhill left before the last real uphill. I opened up my stride and did essentially a controlled fall down it to blow past the guy and catch the girl at the 5 mile. There was nobody really ahead of us, and suddenly I realized that I was where I hate to be - no longer the chaser, but the chased. And with 3 miles left. Could i hold on, I wondered. 
Just after I passed her, there was a flat and first girl just glided past me, and I realized "oh, it's on!". We would jockey position a few times in the next two miles, but I began to notice that she slowed up on the small climbs, and was also using me as a rubber band. I had to take advantage of this but it would have to wait until there was only 3/4 of a mile left. There, there's a sharp turn after a teeny hill. If I could stay on her shoulder as it approached, then accelerate past her into and through the turn, I could build just enough of a lead to discourage her pursuit. 
I executed the move perfectly. But I knew I had to keep pressing as any sign of weakness would become her hope. Buti also knew very well this last mile. 
I cruised into the finish in 57:09, which is over 4 minutes faster than my pr in this race. I finally have a pr to show for my hard work this spring!  And I'm thrilled that it's not just a squeaker of a pr. I took 14th in the race of about 150. But only placed 7th in my age group - the ultracompetitive 30-39 bracket. If they did 5 year groups I prolly wouldve gotten an age group award, as I think I was 4th among 30-34, but the second guy in the race was 30, and age group awards kick in after the overall winner awards, I think. Maybe that's only for first place... Regardless, I'm thrilled. Near perfect weather today, tho rather humid. I wish I had this for the half, but I'm finally over it ;-)
Best part is, I feel totally fresh this evening and am prolly going to go 12 tomorrow, including those 8 same miles.  But tomorrow is a LSD (long slow distance) day, so it won't be neat as fast. 

 

themetfairy
May 22 2010 07:05 PM
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Awesome mm!

themetfairy
May 23 2010 10:18 AM
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I ran a bit better today - 5K in 34:16. Not as great as earlier in the week, but much better than Friday's crappy run. The leg barked a little, but not too much.

It was a relief to be back in stride after Friday....

Fman99
May 23 2010 02:07 PM
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Set another PR today, my fifth in a row I think. Down to 24:21 for a 5k. It was overcast and a little breezy which helped me not overheat. My calf was a little tight, and still is now, but it didn't seem to impede me.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 23 2010 02:27 PM
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You're getting fast... finally fast!

metsmarathon
May 24 2010 01:17 PM
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nice! that's a pretty good time!

i ran my planned 12 miles yesterday, and felt pretty good about it. expected to be more tired from the race the day before. today, i'm a bit tight.

so i went for a little 3 mile run, just to get loose. about a mile in, i'm on a small paved path through the woods between the 3rd hole of our golf course, and the main road into the place. i notice up ahead a slight rustling in the woods a few yards ahead of me, but think nothing of it. usually i imagine a bear or cougar or horde of zombies at every sound i hear in the woods. but no, not this time. i get closer, and there's a dark shape where the rustle came from. maybe its a dark bush at the base of a tree.

its not untill i come even with the tree, and the source of its rustle, that i notice the black bear trying to climb a tree literally ten feet from me. holy. shit. there was me, two feet from the edge of the road, then 3-4 feet of grass, then the start of the woods with iss saplings and underbrush, then 3 feet in, was a bear. as i passed by, he looked at me. i accelerated somewhat, unsure of how fast i could go if i needed to.

but i think we both mutually came to an understanding that his pursuit would've just been a giant waste of time for both of us, and that the tree was more interesting anyways.

i did run a little faster from then on, but stopped each time i encountered another runner or walker headed the other way, towards where i had seen the bear. most turned around, though a few continued on unabated. not that black bears attack people unprovokedly, but still, i try to avoid them when i can.

Swan Swan H
May 24 2010 01:19 PM
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Yikes! Pretty scary.

I don't think I've ever seen a bear near the treadmills at the gym. The odd cougar, to be sure, but never a bear.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 24 2010 01:28 PM
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A bear? Holy shit.

They've closed the north walk/bike lane on the Willieburg bridge for repairs, meaning I've had to recalibrate my regular route, which is exactly 7 miles.

Last night with the benefit of the Met game speeding me along, I overcompensated for having to take the South path instead (the south and north entrances are a few blocks apart). I knew this when I hit an absolute wall on the way home and my relatively fast pace came to a crawl; turned out right past 7 miles.

I am still dealing with left foot stuff, and related, left hip stuff but feel like I'm close to conquering it (knock on wood). I also need the Mets to continue to provide an interesting companion, since I run at nite.

themetfairy
May 24 2010 01:28 PM
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Holy crap! The worst I've ever seen on a run has been deer - I would freak if I saw a bear on my route!

Meanwhile, at T-minus 24 weeks until the Marathon, I'm dealing with cahnfidence issues. I'm at a point where I'm wondering just how the hell I'm going to run 26.2 miles.

Deep down, I know I'm going to get through the course. But at the moment my mind doesn't quite see how.

themetfairy
May 24 2010 01:29 PM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
A bear? Holy shit.

They've closed the north walk/bike lane on the Willieburg bridge for repairs, meaning I've had to recalibrate my regular route, which is exactly 7 miles.

Last night with the benefit of the Met game speeding me along, I overcompensated for having to take the South path instead (the south and north entrances are a few blocks apart). I knew this when I hit an absolute wall on the way home and my relatively fast pace came to a crawl; turned out right past 7 miles.

I am still dealing with left foot stuff, and related, left hip stuff but feel like I'm close to conquering it (knock on wood). I also need the Mets to continue to provide an interesting companion, since I run at nite.


Feel better Lunchie!

metsmarathon
May 24 2010 01:59 PM
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themetfairy wrote:
Holy crap! The worst I've ever seen on a run has been deer - I would freak if I saw a bear on my route!

Meanwhile, at T-minus 24 weeks until the Marathon, I'm dealing with cahnfidence issues. I'm at a point where I'm wondering just how the hell I'm going to run 26.2 miles.

Deep down, I know I'm going to get through the course. But at the moment my mind doesn't quite see how.


i've felt that exact same way before i started most of my marathon training campaigns, especially the first two. heck, every year i get twinges of 'i've run how far?'

you've already run 20 miles. its only 6 more and you've done a marathon! you'll do it no problem.

themetfairy
May 24 2010 02:18 PM
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Thanks mm. I appreciate your encouragement.

Rockin' Doc
May 24 2010 05:24 PM
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I'm sure your encounter with the black bear gave you a little extra cardio workout during your run. Fortunately, black bears generally pay only a passing interest to humans. I'm sure you could out run a black bear from an endurance standpoint, but from a speed standpoint your odds would not be good. Young adult black bears are quite capable of running 28-30 mph ofr short sprints. For a short sprint, black bears are pretty much the equal of a white tail deer. Alas, humans with the possible exception of Usain Bolt, have virtually no chance of out running a black bear.

Fman99
May 25 2010 05:43 AM
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metsmarathon wrote:
nice! that's a pretty good time!

i ran my planned 12 miles yesterday, and felt pretty good about it. expected to be more tired from the race the day before. today, i'm a bit tight.

so i went for a little 3 mile run, just to get loose. about a mile in, i'm on a small paved path through the woods between the 3rd hole of our golf course, and the main road into the place. i notice up ahead a slight rustling in the woods a few yards ahead of me, but think nothing of it. usually i imagine a bear or cougar or horde of zombies at every sound i hear in the woods. but no, not this time. i get closer, and there's a dark shape where the rustle came from. maybe its a dark bush at the base of a tree.

its not untill i come even with the tree, and the source of its rustle, that i notice the black bear trying to climb a tree literally ten feet from me. holy. shit. there was me, two feet from the edge of the road, then 3-4 feet of grass, then the start of the woods with iss saplings and underbrush, then 3 feet in, was a bear. as i passed by, he looked at me. i accelerated somewhat, unsure of how fast i could go if i needed to.

but i think we both mutually came to an understanding that his pursuit would've just been a giant waste of time for both of us, and that the tree was more interesting anyways.

i did run a little faster from then on, but stopped each time i encountered another runner or walker headed the other way, towards where i had seen the bear. most turned around, though a few continued on unabated. not that black bears attack people unprovokedly, but still, i try to avoid them when i can.


Did he go fer yer pick-a-nick basket?

themetfairy
May 25 2010 06:36 AM
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For the first time since my leg injury I had a good incline run on the treadmill. Up until now I hadn't had it in me to get up to a 4.5 incline, but today I surpassed that and even ran at 6.0 for a little bit before it was time to cool down.

A couple of weeks ago I started doing a walk/run routine on my treadmill with varying inclines. I think that going back to walking the 9.0 and 10.0 inclines is helping me run the inclines again.

Fman99
May 25 2010 08:08 PM
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Found a new part of the park to run in today... much shadier, and less busy, than where I have been running. But also much hillier.

Was a full 90 seconds off my best time today, but still finished in less than 26 minutes. Bought a new pair of shoes for race season, also, as my right foot has been feeling a bit sore and I think my shoes had run out of spring.

Rockin' Doc
May 25 2010 08:48 PM
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I have had to take a short break from running for a while due to a mild case of achilles tendonitis. I've been taking Aleve and doing mild stretching since Saturday. It is far less tender and I'm hopeful I can do a leisurely 30 minute run on Friday. If that goes well, then I will slowly start to build up my time and distance again.

I think I need to make some changes to my typical workout routine. I generally lift weights for 30-40 minutes, then do I quick stretch of my callf muscles for a minute or two, take a deep breath, then start the treadmill and start running. l obviously need to stretch out a little better before running as a mild left hamstring strain, recently awaking with intense muscle cramps in my calves on two occasions, and now a mild case of achilles tendonitis can attest. I'm starting to think that getting in shape is going to kill me.

themetfairy
May 25 2010 10:01 PM
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Feel better!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 25 2010 10:12 PM
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Rockin' Doc wrote:
I have had to take a short break from running for a while due to a mild case of achilles tendonitis. I've been taking Aleve and doing mild stretching since Saturday. It is far less tender and I'm hopeful I can do a leisurely 30 minute run on Friday. If that goes well, then I will slowly start to build up my time and distance again.

I think I need to make some changes to my typical workout routine. I generally lift weights for 30-40 minutes, then do I quick stretch of my callf muscles for a minute or two, take a deep breath, then start the treadmill and start running. l obviously need to stretch out a little better before running as a mild left hamstring strain, recently awaking with intense muscle cramps in my calves on two occasions, and now a mild case of achilles tendonitis can attest. I'm starting to think that getting in shape is going to kill me.


Good luck, Doc. My Achilles tendonitis kept me from running for the better part of a year. Stretch stretch stretch those calves, hammies, etc but don't push it running if you're having real pain there; time ultimately is the healer.

themetfairy
May 26 2010 07:34 AM
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I had a decent run today - 3.8 miles in 42:32. Slower than two weeks ago, but 20 seconds faster than last week. When you factor in sleep deprivation and the humidity, I am very happy to have run as well as I did.

metsmarathon
May 26 2010 02:03 PM
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its pretty hot out today!
i know this because i was foolish enough to go for a hard run at lunch. i also didnt have a watch on me, so i don't know exactly how hard i was running. i only know that from teh time i started the stopwatch function on my blackberry, to the time i stopped it, approximately 36 minutes had elapsed, and it took me about a minute from when i set it to when i started running, and a minute and a half from when i stopped running to when i stopped the blackberry.

in the interim, i had run three miles, walked for at least a minute, run somewhat slower for half a mile, stopped at a water fountain thingy along the golf course, probably for 30 seconds to a minute, ran another half mile, and decided that instead of continuing another mile and a quarter, i would run only a quarter mile back to my office. for a total distance of 4.3 miles.

so that made it 4.3 miles in a total of about 33:30, of which it was really about 31:30 of actual running. if i ran that last 1.3 miles at an 8 minute pace, then i ran the prior 3 miles in 7:06 pace. which seems plausible given how much i tired myself out doing it, and how slowly i felt like i was running the last bit. i wish i had my watch with me though. or some water. that would've been good. also smart. i should try to do that in the future when i go out for a midday run in the summer, especially if its going to be a hard run.

and now i have softball this evening, to round out my day of baking and dehydrating in the sun. whee!

Ceetar
May 26 2010 02:20 PM
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i've been busy/slacking a bunch lately, but I'm determined to force myself to the gym after work. I've had enough coffee today that I'm hoping my energy level is there even if I haven't slept well in a week and am sorta fighting off a cold. The arch of my left foot hurts a little when I walk, no idea how that will play in. I try not to accept less than 2.5 miles in 30 minutes, and my goal since i've haven't been going 3x a week lately is 2.66 in 30 minutes and then walk to finish the 3 miles.

Then some lifting, Chest, shoulders, arms most likely. or really, whichever machines I can get to without a wait. Them home by the latest 7:10 so I can at least start listening to the game.

themetfairy
May 26 2010 02:50 PM
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Do what you can do. The sloggy runs are a pain, but they make you appreciate it all the more when you run well again.

themetfairy
May 27 2010 06:54 AM
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My friggin GPS watch died!

I didn't get upset when it ran out while I was running - it said Battery Low when I started, and I was running a familiar course, so I knew how much mileage I had clocked. But when I got home and plugged it into the charge - nada!

And this is a new watch! I bought my original in December, and when that didn't last during the Bermuda races in January Garmin replaced it.

Now I have to deal with customer service all over again. Grrrr!!!!!!!!!

Fman99
May 27 2010 07:03 AM
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themetfairy wrote:
My friggin GPS watch died!

I didn't get upset when it ran out while I was running - it said Battery Low when I started, and I was running a familiar course, so I knew how much mileage I had clocked. But when I got home and plugged it into the charge - nada!

And this is a new watch! I bought my original in December, and when that didn't last during the Bermuda races in January Garmin replaced it.

Now I have to deal with customer service all over again. Grrrr!!!!!!!!!


That sucks.

I ran after dinner, in the evening, around my neighborhood. I thought about driving over to the park but I wanted to be able to get back home quicker to help get the kids ready for bed.

Ran 5k in 25:07, not my best time but the roads around my house are much hillier than the part of the park where I've run the fastest. My lower back is tight today... need some ibuprofen methinks.

Just 9 days till my first actual race. I feel good about where I'm at in my running, last fall when I started my hope was to be able to run a 5k in 30 minutes. I think now I've got a good chance at finishing in 25-26 minutes, even on a hilly course. It won't put me in the top 5 for my age group but I should be in the top 25% of it (judging from results I've been scanning from local races in 2009 and earlier this year).

Swan Swan H
May 27 2010 07:09 AM
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Good luck with the 5K, Fman. Sounds like you've done a ton of training, and you should do great.

I don't know how I missed it until yesterday, but there is a charity 5K this coming Sunday that passes 1/2 block from my office. I work in a pretty nondescript industrial park, and the whole 5k is essentially two loops around one 'block.' I registered last night, and it should be fun to run around the area.

Sunday mornings are so quiet here that they may not need to close the streets, just the one that is the start/finish area.

Ceetar
May 27 2010 07:11 AM
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themetfairy wrote:
My friggin GPS watch died!

Now I have to deal with customer service all over again. Grrrr!!!!!!!!!



I saw an advertisement (I'm sure many of you did as well) for a Droid app that basically does all this cool stuff for running. Anyone try it out? I've been wanting a Droid for a while, contract renewal not up until November though.

Swan Swan H
May 27 2010 07:14 AM
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Ceetar wrote:
themetfairy wrote:
My friggin GPS watch died!

Now I have to deal with customer service all over again. Grrrr!!!!!!!!!



I saw an advertisement (I'm sure many of you did as well) for a Droid app that basically does all this cool stuff for running. Anyone try it out? I've been wanting a Droid for a while, contract renewal not up until November though.


I don't know about the app, but my son loves his Droid, and looking at it I wish I had waited a few months and gotten it instead of my BlackBerry Tour.

themetfairy
May 27 2010 07:17 AM
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Good luck on the races guys - I'm sure you'll do great.

Ceetar - tell me about this Droid app.

Ceetar
May 27 2010 07:21 AM
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themetfairy wrote:
Good luck on the races guys - I'm sure you'll do great.

Ceetar - tell me about this Droid app.


Well, I didn't really research it, and I only caught the end of it. It was an ad on SNY though, so i'm sure I'll see it again.

Definitely tracked your run, stop watch for timing, and allows you to upload it/send to friends. It had a picture of a path over a map too which was cool.

Fman99
May 27 2010 07:55 AM
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Ceetar wrote:
Good luck on the races guys - I'm sure you'll do great.

Ceetar - tell me about this Droid app.


Well, I didn't really research it, and I only caught the end of it. It was an ad on SNY though, so i'm sure I'll see it again.

Definitely tracked your run, stop watch for timing, and allows you to upload it/send to friends. It had a picture of a path over a map too which was cool.


I use the iMapMyRun app for the iPhone, which provides all of these same features. It's great, too, because I can listen to my music while I'm running and look down at my phone to see once I've hit 5k, and send it out right away to Twitter and Facebook as soon as I finish.

The tweets look like this, I use "Selective Tweets" which is really nice, once you sign up to it you just add the #fb hash to whichever tweets you want to share on FB and it posts them there automatically.

Completed (Run): Distance 3.11 mi, Duration 0:24:21, Pace 07:50 min/mile, Speed 7.7 mph. #fb #iMapMyRun

themetfairy
May 27 2010 08:11 AM
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It sounds like a nice feature, but I don't think I'll want to use it. I like traveling lightly when I run. I can deal with a watch, but I don't think I want to run with my Droid. Thanks for the info, though!

Rockin' Doc
May 29 2010 10:26 AM
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I have spent the past week taking Naprosyn and stretching out my legs the best I could. Unfortunately, the achilles tendonitis in my left heel showed little improvement. I decided that I would try to make the push for my goal of 5 miles in 50 minutes or less while I was in decent running shape, other than my left achilles.

I went to the gym and decided to skip the weight lifting so I could devote all my energy to my run. I stretched briefly, then fired the treadmill up and took off. I zipped (for me at least) through 5K in a new personal best of 26:53 feeling pretty good. At the 35 minute mark my left achilles started to hurt and I started cramping mildly in my left calf. I started favoring my left leg mildly as I kept running and hoping I could avoid a cramp that would bring an end to my run. I hit my goal of 5 miles in 43:25 and felt reasonably good, so I opted to finish the 50 minutes I had allowed myself for the run. I ended up covering 5.74 miles in 50 minutes. I believe that is the farthest I have ever run nonstop in my life; I am positive it is the farthest I've run since I started graduate school 29 years ago.

Other than some tightness in my left calf and a dull ache and tenderness in my left achilles tendon, I feel good. It feels great to have reached (and mildly exceeded) the goals I set for myself earlier in the year. It's hard for me to imagine that I didn't even know how far a 5K was at the first of the year. Eventually, I hope to go for 10K in under 60 minutes, but that will likely have to wait a while until after my achilles problem heals with some rest.

DocTee
May 29 2010 10:45 AM
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Way to go!

Now that I have some time to myself (teaching completed) I am back to running. Building towards a 10K and now at 24 minutes non-stop. Goal is to be at 45 by Independence Day. I like your strategy of 10K in 60 minutes and will shoot for that myself. Nice work, Doc!

themetfairy
May 29 2010 10:52 AM
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WTG RD, and good luck Doc!

metsmarathon
May 29 2010 09:31 PM
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good job toughing it out, rd! take care of that achilles.

i had myself a good race in the spring lake 5 today. i feel like i've done this race a dozen times, but its probably only 8...

my goal this year was to post a 5 mile time faster than 35 minutes, which was an invisible barrier for me my first two years of cross country in college. today, i ran the sl5 in 34:45 or thereabouts. clock time was 34:58, with 12ish seconds to get to the starting line.

before the race i ran into a friend of mine from college who was on the women's xc team. as i started the race, i thought i had seen her again, slightly ahead of me. i tried to catch her, but she stayed just ahead of me the whole time. i clocked the first mile in about 6:45, which was slower than i had hoped to run it. but i was feeling a little tired, in a not-enough-sleep kind of way. i had spent a little bit of unnecessary energy getting around slower traffic at the start (i hate when large races dont seed the starts), but that usually helps me get going. only not as much today. wanted to get two cups of water at the first stop, but ran out of table before i could grab the second. earlier that mile, i had almost pulled even with that girl i thought i knew, but by now she was about ten steps ahead of me.

i also ran the second mile in about 6:45. the weather was pretty much perfect, with a slight dampness, a little sprinkling of rain, and no sun blazing down. less humidity and a slight breeze would've been nice, too, but i take what i can get. the road, i felt, was slipperier than it should have been. i don't know what that means. the girl maintained her lead.

i closed the third mile in just under 7 minutes, and was starting to tire. i was already sleepy, but i was starting to lose my push just a bit, as well as my focus. i just couldn't open up and maintain a good cruise. i had wanted to run the next mile faster, but couldn't keep the push on. the girl was long gone. mile 4 came in at about 7:25, and i'd chewed up my margin. i could no longer afford to let up the last mile, not that i had wanted to. minimm was waiting for me just after the mile 4 water stop, but he's not a good cheerer yet. he just kindof looks around wondering what all the commotion is. he was also a little annoyed that we had him in his baby seat in the stoller cos its easier to keep him dry and out of the rain that way. but i saw him, and that's always a good way to brighten up a run.

i tried my darnedest to accelerate from there, as another 7:25 would jeopardize not only my goal time, but also my pr quest. i reached the next to last turn, and was feeling a little spent. i typically like to go into these 90 degree turns a little wide, cut the corner tight, and slingshot through them. but today, i merely took the turn. i had just over a half mile to go, and felt like that would deplete what little i had left. the final turn was the same, but here, i was just under a half mile from the end. it was going to be close.

i tried to hold off just a little before my final sprint, and finally broke for it at about a quarter mile to go. it was not my fastest finish sprint, to be sure. instead of a good arms-a-pumping, knees-a-lifting dash, i could just lengthen my stride and try to simultaneously increase my turnover. with 200 to go, the oddest thing happened. i managed to convince myself of an optical illusion - that the finish banner was not the finish line, and that the finish line was still another hundred or so yard beyond that. i managed to develop a suspicion that the banner was just a banner for the race photographers, and that the clocks immediately below it we in fact beyond it. i discouraged myself into breaking my sprint off a little to keep from falling short of the line. i soon realized my error, and accelerated once more. now i could see the clock, showing the 34th minute slip rapidly away. i knew i still had some margin for my net time, but wanted to finish with a clock time under 35 minutes too. i crossed the line with 2 seconds to spare, in 34:58. my net time should be 34:45 or thereabouts. it's a new pr by 40 seconds.

i had wanted to go a little faster today, and feel like maybe i should have, but i'm still really happy with the race. my age-graded score for today is 61.8%, which is only bettered by my mile pr. (my unofficial 5k pr is about 63.4%; my official 5k is 61.1%). as an overall goal, i need to get all my prs down to about 64%.

by mile 3, i had decided that if that was my friend, and she really was that fast, then she was welcome to beat me today. after the finish, i made a point of looking for her. eventually i saw her again, near the gatorade buckets. i have no idea who that girl was, and am glad i didnt call out what was probably not her name. after collecting my post-race vittles, i did actually see my friend finish. (mystery girl was wearing the same color top, and had a similar build and hair color, but the shorts were totally different) the top 100 in each gender, i think, get a mug, and the women also get a rose. she had both.

i'd have to run two and a half minutes faster for a shot at a mug.

Swan Swan H
May 30 2010 12:15 PM
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Knocked 15 seconds off my time from last week, finishing the 5k this morning at 31:11. A co-worker with whom I'm very friendly ran his first 5k this morning, and finished third in the men 30-39 category. He does about 5 miles of running a couple of times a week but had never participated in a structured race before. I sort of talked him into running today, and he had a great time and is already looking to do some more events.

themetfairy
May 31 2010 08:22 AM
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Nice job!

I just got in from a 3.2 mile run. I know the route, but not what my time was, since I'm still waiting for friggin' Garmin to send me my replacement for the GPS watch that died on me last week.

I had to approximate my mileage in Minneapolis on Saturday, since I didn't know the area at all. But I'm guesstimating that I ran 68.2 miles for the month of May. That puts me at 414.8 miles for the year so far.

I'll be upping my mileage over the summer as I start my Marathon training, so I figure I have a shot at getting to 1,000 miles for the year. But even if I don't, I'm finding this to be a really instructive experience. I've never tracked my mileage before, and I'm impressed with how much I've accumulated, even on the "light" months.

Rockin' Doc
May 31 2010 09:49 AM
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Good job, Swan Swan H. Keep up the good work.

Keep on running metfairy. You have put in the hard work and training to prepare yourself for whatever runs you choose to pursue in the future.

I'm hopeful that I will be able to resume my running again in roughly 3 weeks. I'll just keep stretching and see how it feels over time.

Swan Swan H
May 31 2010 09:54 AM
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Thanks. I just signed up for a 5k at the Sands Point Preserve. The run is a combination of paved roads and trails. The scenery, according to the reviews, is supposed to be beautiful.

themetfairy
May 31 2010 10:26 AM
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Thanks RD. I'll definitely keep running after this year, and for the foreseeable future. I just don't plan on doing distance running after the Marathon - the time commitment isn't something I can see continuing indefinitely, plus the balance of eating to train vs. keeping the weight off makes me bonkers at times. But I'm certainly going to keep on running 5-6 days a week, participate in 5K's, etc. after this year.

Definitely keep on stretching. Also, look into ways to strengthen the areas around your Achilles so you can take some of the pressure off of the sore area. Best of luck getting back into running shape!

themetfairy
Jun 01 2010 08:32 PM
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Wednesday, June 2nd is National Running Day.

Go out and run!

Fman99
Jun 02 2010 06:22 AM
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Wednesday, June 2nd is National Running Day.

Go out and run!


Not going to fit into my schedule for this week, I ran the last two days and generally don't run three days consecutively, as I start to feel a bit of wear on my joints when I do. But I'll be back out there tomorrow.

Ran a wind-impaired 25:24 yesterday... didn't really feel the tailwind but when I turned around to run the 2nd half it was all headwind. Still, the wind felt nice coming off the lake and it was a beautiful afternoon. T-4 days till race day.

themetfairy
Jun 02 2010 06:29 AM
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Yes - tapering before your race is a good idea. Enjoy the day off :)

themetfairy
Jun 02 2010 08:03 AM
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themetfairy wrote:
My friggin GPS watch died!

I didn't get upset when it ran out while I was running - it said Battery Low when I started, and I was running a familiar course, so I knew how much mileage I had clocked. But when I got home and plugged it into the charge - nada!

And this is a new watch! I bought my original in December, and when that didn't last during the Bermuda races in January Garmin replaced it.

Now I have to deal with customer service all over again. Grrrr!!!!!!!!!


I still haven't received the replacement, so I e-mailed the Garmin customer service guy to ask about a tracking number. He replied that it looked like the watch had been delivered.

I looked at the information he sent me. Yup©, it was delivered to my porch. In JANUARY! That was the friggin' watch that died on me.

The fucking geniuses didn't sent out the replacement yet. I am NOT happy with Garmin!

Fman99
Jun 02 2010 08:21 AM
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Add Garmin to your "enemies list." Classic Simpsons quote:

Homer: Oh, I can’t believe it. I got an enemy. Me, the most beloved man in Springfield.
Moe: Ah, it's a weird world, Homer. As hard as it is to believe, some people don't care for me, neither.
Homer: No, I won't accept that.
Moe: No, it's true. I got their names written down right here on what I call my, uh, "enemies list." [reaches under the bar for a sheet of paper]
Barney: [takes list and reads it] Jane Fonda, Daniel Schorr, Jack Anderson... Hey! This is Richard Nixon's enemies list. You just crossed out his name and put yours.
Moe: Okay, gimmie that, gimmie it back. [takes list and writes] Barney Gumble.

themetfairy
Jun 02 2010 08:46 AM
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It's more that they're On Notice -



I just got off the phone with customer service, and seem to have gotten an agent with brain cells for a change of pace. In theory, they're overnighting me the new watch. We'll see whether it actually arrives....

themetfairy
Jun 02 2010 11:44 AM
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FYI, the lottery for the 2011 NYC Half Marathon is now open (metsmarathon - I'm talking to you!!!).

metsmarathon
Jun 02 2010 01:49 PM
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yup. trying to decide if i want the training shirt...

themetfairy
Jun 02 2010 02:12 PM
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Skip the overpriced training shirt. Stick with the tech shirt you'll get in March.

Chad Ochoseis
Jun 02 2010 02:20 PM
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themetfairy wrote:
I still haven't received the replacement, so I e-mailed the Garmin customer service guy to ask about a tracking number. He replied that it looked like the watch had been delivered.


I've been carrying a hiker's GPS (Magellan Triton 500) in a pack when I run. It works fine, but it's cumbersome, and I was thinking about springing for a Garmin Forerunner. You've successfully talked me out of it.

themetfairy
Jun 02 2010 02:24 PM
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Chad Ochoseis wrote:
themetfairy wrote:
I still haven't received the replacement, so I e-mailed the Garmin customer service guy to ask about a tracking number. He replied that it looked like the watch had been delivered.


I've been carrying a hiker's GPS (Magellan Triton 500) in a pack when I run. It works fine, but it's cumbersome, and I was thinking about springing for a Garmin Forerunner. You've successfully talked me out of it.


When the thing works it's a fabulous tool. But I think they're a couple of years away from it being truly reliable....

themetfairy
Jun 03 2010 01:20 PM
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The replacement GPS watch just arrived.

The first time they replaced a watch they sent me a new one in the box. This time they sent me a used one.

At least this one is taking a charge - I'll see if it works.

But I'm icked out by the fact that it's a used one, and not happy that they would replace a defective watch with one that someone had previously returned.

Yeah, Garmin is now on my enemies list....

Fman99
Jun 03 2010 07:49 PM
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themetfairy wrote:
The replacement GPS watch just arrived.

The first time they replaced a watch they sent me a new one in the box. This time they sent me a used one.

At least this one is taking a charge - I'll see if it works.

But I'm icked out by the fact that it's a used one, and not happy that they would replace a defective watch with one that someone had previously returned.

Yeah, Garmin is now on my enemies list....


I agree, icky. Like a used headband (or worse).

themetfairy
Jun 03 2010 07:50 PM
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Plus it's not even working perfectly. The Battery Status is constantly reading 100%, even after it's been used.

Fman99
Jun 03 2010 07:55 PM
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Got my last pre-race 5k in, felt good today and ran a 24:51.

Also picked up my race "packet," which consisted of a number bib (I'm #305), a tag for my shoe and a T-shirt. I'm a little nervous, mostly just because I haven't done this before and I have no pre-race routine (and I don't usually run so early in the morning, race time is 9 AM Saturday).

Any advice for evening before and morning of activities? Things to avoid, seek out, eat/drink, etc? Appreciated....

themetfairy
Jun 03 2010 08:47 PM
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Fman99 wrote:
Got my last pre-race 5k in, felt good today and ran a 24:51.

Also picked up my race "packet," which consisted of a number bib (I'm #305), a tag for my shoe and a T-shirt. I'm a little nervous, mostly just because I haven't done this before and I have no pre-race routine (and I don't usually run so early in the morning, race time is 9 AM Saturday).

Any advice for evening before and morning of activities? Things to avoid, seek out, eat/drink, etc? Appreciated....


One of the best bits of advice is not to do anything different on a race day that you haven't done before. If something sounds like a good idea, test it out on a training run.

5K isn't that long a distance, and your speed is good, so I don't think you have to worry too much about carbing up. OTOH, a nice dinner the night before is a good idea (pasta is the old standby, but I prefer sushi - the rice is a good carb, and I like the lean protein and lack of fat with the fish). If you're going to have breakfast, eat something small about two hours before the race (a bagel and peanut butter works nicely for me).

Wear your race bib on the front of your shirt. Stretch while you're waiting to line up for the start. Don't let other people set your pace - run what's comfortable for you (if you go out too fast, the odds are that you'll feel it in the third mile). If there's a course map, study it ahead of time - it helps to have a basic idea of where you're going, in case there aren't sufficient race marshalls or other markers.

At the water stations, take the water. Learning to sip on the run is an art form, but a necessary one. I like to sip and hold the water in my mouth for a minute before swallowing. If it's a hot/muggy day, then take a cup of water and pour it over your head. Make sure it's water first - you don't want to be wearing Gatorade ;) This isn't a beauty contest - being comfortable while running is your top priority.

I like to keep my race bibs. Write down the name of the race, the date, the location, and your race time. And keep a spreadsheet with that information. You may not think you will want the information, but if you change your mind down the road it's nice to have the information recorded.

And remember to have fun. You're doing something that a lot of people are afraid to do and will never accomplish - be proud of how far you've come in such a short time!

Best of luck - you're going to do great!

metsmarathon
Jun 03 2010 11:32 PM
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i've come darned near to walking to the starting line still drinking my cup of coffee before a few races.

most important is to know that you've already run this distance before, the only difference is the venue, the other people around you, and that this one goes on your permanent record. do what you usually do, and you should be fine. race day is not the day to be trying out new things. if you usually stretch out your legs before your regular runs, don't forget to do that at the race. if you usually have a gatorade before you run, do that. if your regular warmup involves a swig of tequila, go for it. if you typically punch somebody in the cunt before you run... well, okay, maybe that one you'd be wise to reconsider... but you get the idea.

i'd recommend you attach the chip to your shoe the day before, and put the pins in your bib as well. nothing sucks more than scampering around trying to find a fourth and final safety pin the morning of a race! laying out your clothes that night also saves time in the morning and reduces stress.

looking at the course map is good not only from knowing where you're going, but also for knowing how much farther you have to go. you may feel like you're flagging a bit after 20 minutes, but you'll make a turn that you know is a half mile left, and you can think, "ok. only a half mile. 4 more minutes. i got this." conversely, if you know where the first half mile is, you may start off and think you're in good shape, but you just clocked that half mile in 3 minutes flat, and maybe you want to come down off your red bull just a bit.

when you get to the line, look around you. if everybody around you looks way faster than you are, move back in the crowd. two reasons - one) so you won't be that guy and two) so you wont go out too fast and use up all your energy early in the race. i find its generally better to start out in a somewhat slower crowd than you may feel you belong, as you'll spend the whole race chasing and passing people. (granted, this can bite you in the butt if its a really large race with a lot of slow or inexperienced runners clogging the front of the line. it can be very maddening if you're trying to bob and weave through the slower traffic, and can draw down a lot of energy and focus. if that does happen to you, stay under control, and use the rage to sharpen your focus instead of blindly striking out at the clutch of old ladies walking six-abreast down the middle of the road, giddy over having been on the actual starting line for their first ever running race, and such an exciting one at that!)

during the race, i actually stop and walk at the water stops. i'm not good at swallowing and running. and i don't really lose much time in those 15 seconds; typically i recover the lost time by being able to then run faster having become more fully refreshed. but do what works for you. i generally go to the youngest, oldest, or cutest water distributor, depending on the selection available, and always try to say thank you. and one cup goes mostly in me, the other goes mostly on me. even in winter, i heat up...

but like i said, most important is to be confident in your ability to run teh race. you've done it before and this is just doing it again. have fun and stay cool, and run your race. you've only gotta beat one guy out there - that mofo in your head who tries to tell you what you cannot do. don't listen to him. better yet, show him how wrong he is.

on a side note, i've had so many races where leading up to them, i've complained about how crappy i feel that day, and blah blah blah, that now, when i do, mrs.mm dismisses me saying that i'll probably just run a pr today. and she's not often wrong.

Fman99
Jun 04 2010 06:05 AM
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Thanks all, lots of good stuff there. The race is already out of my normal routine just based on the fact that I never run that early in the morning... I'll probably just have a bowl of cereal and a cup of coffee in the morning and head out there.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jun 04 2010 07:41 AM
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No milk. That's what my XC coach used to tell us.

If there's some way to ride a stationary bike for 10 minutes before you go, do that.

DocTee
Jun 04 2010 08:49 AM
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Because I am a fool:

http://www.lynchcanyontrailrun.com/

I've gone from sedentary to running 35:00 in the span of a few short weeks (ten runs, actually), with the hope of running a sub-60:00 10K by Independence Day. Friends have convinced me to do this with them tomorrow morning. I agreed because, well, I am a fool. Plus I want a shirt with my name on it.

I expect to run 40 minutes, then walk the remainder. My "buddies" are two who have completed a marathon this year, and another beer-guzzling schlub whom I actually might beat. We decided to do this while discussing the matter over drinks during a recent SF Giants game.

This will be my first ever competitve race. Helluva way to start, with "the most challenging trail run in Solano County."

Wish me luck.

themetfairy
Jun 04 2010 09:48 AM
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Best of luck Doc - I hope you have a great time!

metsmarathon
Jun 04 2010 11:03 AM
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i think your friends must hate you...

um, i would consider walking from 0.5 to 1.0 miles, again from 1.75 to 2.0 miles (or even all the way from 0.5 to 2.0) and again from 3.0 to 3.5 miles. that's some serious climbing you've got ahead of you! if you save teh 40 minutes of running for the more flat or downhill portions, you'll be able to run more of the race, and have a faster overall time. seriously. those first two miles will chew up your allotted 40 minutes of running.

http://www.mapmyrun.com/run/united-stat ... 2196535831

check the box in the upper right marked show elevation. where it's red and especially where its purple on the elevation map, that's where you're going to want to walk. because running up something that steep, especially if you're not ready for it, won't be that much faster than walking. and since you're already planning on walking part of the race, you might as well be strategic about it!

good luck! i'm not sure what the weather is like there, but bring water or gatorade with you while you run. even walking those hills will be quite a bit of exertion, and only ahving water stops every 1.5 miles may not be enough.

oh, and have fun!

themetfairy
Jun 05 2010 08:27 AM
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I ran a slow 5.1 miles today, but I felt good doing it (despite the heat and humidity). I feel ready for the New York Mini 10K next Saturday :)

Fman99
Jun 05 2010 08:33 AM
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Just home from my first ever competitive 5k, and I have to say that it was by far the most fun I ever had running. Without question.

I did everything you all told me not to do, and common sense dictated, last night and this morning -- last night I had a big panini for dinner, and then gin drinks at home, and a big bowl of cereal and milk this morning. I figured I'd be best off keeping my normal Friday PM/Saturday morning AM routine intact. Got there ridiculously early -- about 50 minutes before race time, and just milled about. I was hoping to encounter someone I knew, but apparently most of my Syracuse friends are doughy fucks. I did knock back a cup of coffee.

Big crowd at this race, I saw registration numbers up into the 1300s. I fell into the starting group about 20 rows or so back from the start.

Got going into a nice pace about 15 seconds after crossing the starting line, felt awesome. Sweet running weather -- overcast, a light breeze. A little humid but nothing oppressive. Hit the first mile split at 7:55 net time (I used my own watch to track my time). Had a half a cup of water and nearly choked on it... I don't usually drink anything while running so I wasn't sure how to drink out of a cup and run at the same time.

Hit the second mile split at 16:05 net time, about what I've been doing in my practice runs.

Last water stop, just shy of mile 3, I took a few sips and dumped the rest on my back (I can't dump them on my head without getting a lot of water on my glasses). Third mile I hit at about 24:15. Again, not my best ever pace but the course was pretty hilly. A nice run, along the inner harbor of Syracuse. Lots of kids and adults cheering the runners on as the race went, which was cool.

In the home stretch I noticed a little girl, running at a good clip. I asked her how old she was. "Nine and a half." I told her she was awesome and I was going to try and keep up with her to the finish line. It didn't happen -- she dusted me in fact. Not only that but two guys caught me in the last 10 feet, even though I turned on the jets at the end.

Finished with a gun time of 25:37, net time 25:18. They posted the first 900 finishers (which only went up to about 33 minute times, so they had a LOT of runners out there). I was 252nd overall, and 17th in my M35-39 age bracket. One of the two guys who caught me was 16th in my age group. Drat.

Still, it was really fun to run with other people, in what is usually a very solitary thing for me. Even though I didn't know anyone out there today, I still felt a kinship with the other runners. And, of course, all of my CPF running buddies who were with me in spirit.

After I finished I knocked back a bottled water and watched other people finish for 10 minutes and then split after they posted the results.

I would do this again in A SECOND. Nice of Fwife to take Fboy to karate class this morning, and take Fgirl along for the ride, so I could do this race. Need to figure out my next race to run.

themetfairy
Jun 05 2010 09:21 AM
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WTG Fman - you did great! And I'm glad that you had such a good time to boot :)

DocTee
Jun 05 2010 11:54 AM
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Just back from the 10K trail run/climb.

MM-- sage advice you offered. The elevations were unreal. I finished in 1:20, and am happy with that considering: I never ran more than a 5K, and the elevations were fierce. My marathon running colleagues (one finished in 1:05, the other 1:16) both swear this is the toughest run they've encountered. Top finisher was 45:00 and looking at past results, I fit right in with most of the pack. Very proud of my accomplishment--still, I'd rather run a falt race that is twice as long as one with hills like these.

I'm with FMAN in feeling great--and I really appreciate MetFairy's sig line more. Now, off to the next race!

metsmarathon
Jun 05 2010 01:13 PM
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nice work novices! races are the best part of running. glad i could help you guys out.

great race report fman. nice of you to let the nine year old girl beat you. (i think that's actually a fantastic time for a nine year old, so you might've gotten beat by a future star.) nothing i hate more than getting outkicked at the end of a race, but if its between me and a little kid, they always tend to be just ever so slightlty faster than me. go figure.

doc, that 10k course is tougher than anything i've ever seen, by far. i might be doing a race at the end of july that'd have me climb 400' in 2 miles but is otherwise mostly flat for 6 more miles, and that sounds easy compared to what you just ran.

themetfairy
Jun 05 2010 02:36 PM
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WTG Doc - that's excellent!

And yes - that sig line really resonates with me.

Fman99
Jun 05 2010 06:23 PM
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Already found my next 5k race -- next Sunday, in the park where I already do my weekday running. I'll have a home field advantage ;)

Fman99
Jun 07 2010 10:20 AM
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Two days later and I don't feel like I've come down yet from the thrill of being in a race. I understand what MM's saying about it being the most fun part of running.

I'm now registered for 5k's for each of the next two successive Sundays.

I still hope to get at least 10 races in in 2010, complicated by all of the other weekend travel plans, Saturday morning karate lessons for Fboy, and general logistics of it all, but there are 6-7 that are on Sundays or weeknights and are close to home.

themetfairy
Jun 07 2010 11:22 AM
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OK - you're officially addicted now.

Welcome aboardick!

DocTee
Jun 07 2010 10:06 PM
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What FMan said.

My goal of running 45:00 by Independence Day? Done, since I just did that this evening. Once I build to an hour, I'll work on quickening the pace.

Results from the trail run were encouraging (finished 100 out of 142) for a first-timer, and the hills that once scared me I now blow through.

Half-marathons should be attainable by end-of-year.

themetfairy
Jun 08 2010 06:26 AM
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WTG Doc! That's fabulous :)

Do you want to register for the lottery for the NYC Half Marathon?

themetfairy
Jun 09 2010 06:28 AM
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Since I'm going to the Mets game tonight (weather permitting), I planned on heading into the City early to pick up my race bib for Saturday's New York Mini 10K. Luckily, a friend of mine posted on Facebook that NYRR changed the schedule, and now will not be distributing the race bibs until tomorrow.

WTF? How can you post a schedule for weeks and weeks, and then at the last minute just change it? I'm lucky that my friend brought this to my attention before I walked over to the train station and headed into New York. I would have been really ticked off if I had schlepped all the way to East 89th Street to discover that they weren't distributing race bibs after all.

Is this typical? There are times that NYRR seems to be run by a bunch of disorganized toddlers....

themetfairy
Jun 09 2010 07:59 AM
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I put together an elevation chart for Saturday's New York Mini 10K. It's a little daunting, but good to know that the worst is over at the 4 mile mark (at least until the very end).

metsmarathon
Jun 09 2010 10:53 AM
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aw, they're running that in the easy direction. whats the fun in that?

i always forget how steep that little black cat hill is (4.2 to 4.9 miles), but happily you're running down that!

you're also getting good exposure to the final few miles of the marathon course. you've already run those hills before, like in the nyc half, but now they're more in the context of the end of a race.

metsmarathon
Jun 10 2010 02:38 PM
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just after halfway thorugh my run today, i was stopped by a guy walking in the opposite direction who warned that there was a momma bear and her cub just up the road part the next turn.

that never fails to throw off my rhythm. cos then i have to turn around, and every runner and walker i pass for the next mile i then have to stop and tell them that there was a bear sighting up ahead, until i leave the golf course and get onto regular roads.

but i finished my 7 miles, with an extra quarter mile because of hte bear. and ran it in a quicker pace than i was expecting. 7:37 per mile. pretty good, on a rather humid day.

this finally puts me over 500 miles for the year. i'm a month behind my planned pace, by a hundred miles ahead of where i was last year. and i've yet to hit the real high mileage portion of my year. so i've still got a decent shot at miking it 1460 miles this year, or the approximate distance form my front door to manitoba, according to google's walking directions.

themetfairy
Jun 11 2010 09:38 AM
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My latest replacement GPS watch arrived. I'll test it out tomorrow during the New York Mini 10K, but at a glance the battery reading seems less wonky than its predecessor.

Hopefully the third replacement will be the charm....

Fman99
Jun 11 2010 10:23 AM
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My second race of the year is this Sunday at noon. I am hopeful for good weather.

I now have nine races earmarked, all but one of them are on Sundays or weeknights, so as to not conflict with my son's weekly Saturday morning karate lessons. Unfortunately, because of the Saturday conflict, I have to go five full weeks without a race between the Father's Day 5k and the weeknight race at the end of July.

(My normal running is done at Onondaga Park and Long Branch Park which are adjacent to each other, both about 5 minutes from my house.)

Whole Me Inc. 5k Sunday June 13 Noon Onondaga Lake Park REGISTERED
Mike Caruana Father's Day 5k Fulton Sunday June 20 Fulton 8 AM REGISTERED
Midsummer Night Dream Run Wed July 28 6:20 PM Long Branch Park DEFINITE
Upstate Chiropractic Beaver Lake run (Sun August 15 9:20 AM) DEFINITE
Inner Harbor Annual 5k (Sun August 29 9 AM) DEFINITE
Skaneatles Road Race Sun Sept 5 4 PM LIKELY
Arc Race Sat Sept 11 Long Branch Park LIKELY
CNY Lungetivity 5k Liverpool (Sunday September 19th 10 AM) Long Branch Park DEFINITE
Drag Syracuse Festival of Races, SU area (Sun October 3 9 AM) DEFINITE
Lafayette Apple Run (Sun October 10 9:15 AM) POSSIBLE

themetfairy
Jun 11 2010 11:07 AM
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Best of luck Fman - you'll do great :)

Fman99
Jun 11 2010 11:38 AM
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themetfairy wrote:
Best of luck Fman - you'll do great :)


Thanks friend. Good luck tomorrow in your 10k!

themetfairy
Jun 11 2010 11:40 AM
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Thanks - I'm looking forward to it :)

themetfairy
Jun 12 2010 05:16 PM
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I ran the New York Mini 10K today in 1:08:12 (chip time. My watch read 1:08:15, and I was a little late on the button after finishing, so fingers crossed I think it's working. Now it just needs to last another 148 days....). It was a good morning - a little cool and overcast. I handled the Central Park hills, and although this wasn't a PR I'm nonetheless happy that my leg felt fine during the run and after. I feel very good about the run, and better about my ability to train for the Marathon :)

Fman99
Jun 13 2010 05:32 PM
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Well that 5k would have been better had they bothered to measure out 5k of distance. Given that the road had quarter mile markers this should have been easy. And since I finished their "5k" in 17 minutes I am sure that it was about 2 miles and a little more.

But I did finish in 2nd overall, out of about 30 people. Got a nice $30 t shirt for my trouble and a good workout. I actually ran another mile past the finish line just to get my full run in.

themetfairy
Jun 13 2010 06:31 PM
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Been there, done that. It's totally frustrating. How hard can it be to measure out 5K?

But congrats on your second place finish Fman - that's fabulous!

metsmarathon
Jun 13 2010 07:14 PM
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the 5k we have at work is 3.25 miles. it used to be 3.0 miles, but one year it was only 2.5ish.

on the new course, they've got mile markers for the first two miles, and in the first race i figured out where the third mile was based on my pace, so i kicked it into gear for the final 0.1 - i barely had enough to hold on as i kept on wondering where teh hell the finish really was...

damn. i've never come in 2nd in any of my races... nice work!

Fman99
Jun 13 2010 08:54 PM
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Thanks guys. It was amateur hour out there... and when I finish 2nd you realize you're not looking at the most impressive group of entrants.

The 5k I'm doing next Sunday is a bit more polished... it's a measured 5k and they had 140 people run it last year. I think it'll be a bit more fun. After that I have a five week break before my next race, unless I find one to do last minute.

themetfairy
Jun 13 2010 09:03 PM
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What you'll love Fman is when you race with a chip or Dtag that times you from the time you start the race to the time you finish. The tech is fun, and it's nice when you don't have to worry about jockeying for position because you'll get a real reading no matter when you start.

OTOH, some amateur events are adorable. I partook in a one-mile run last month that was my friend's son's third grade project. FWIW, that course was well measured (as confirmed by my GPS watch - so again I ask, how hard could it be to accurately measure out a course?) and well run. My favorite part was when the kid went over the rules for the assembled runners, including, "No Pushing." It was a truly sweet event.

Fman99
Jun 14 2010 06:19 AM
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themetfairy wrote:
What you'll love Fman is when you race with a chip or Dtag that times you from the time you start the race to the time you finish. The tech is fun, and it's nice when you don't have to worry about jockeying for position because you'll get a real reading no matter when you start.

OTOH, some amateur events are adorable. I partook in a one-mile run last month that was my friend's son's third grade project. FWIW, that course was well measured (as confirmed by my GPS watch - so again I ask, how hard could it be to accurately measure out a course?) and well run. My favorite part was when the kid went over the rules for the assembled runners, including, "No Pushing." It was a truly sweet event.


The 5k I ran last weekend had the chip that you put into your shoelaces... and the whole automatic timing thing and everything, they even posted the top 900 finishers within about 30 minutes of the end of the race. I timed myself with my watch and got the same time that my chip registered. The technology is cool, I agree. The race I have this upcoming week has another party doing their timing -- one with its own web site, other races that they time for, etc. Seems a bit more official.

As for the amateurishness, I wouldn't have minded it had someone been paying enough attention to the road markers to know that 1.5 miles down and back would have been 3 miles, or at least much closer to 5k, than what they had actually staked out. They used a turnaround loop as the turnaround point just because it was there.... and it happened to only be about 1.1 miles from where it started. It's just a lack of planning or attention to the details. If you're going to do it that way, don't call it a 5k. Just call it a "fun run" and be done with it. Eh. I'll get over it after next week's authentic 5k.

themetfairy
Jun 14 2010 06:33 AM
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That was more or less my point. As well as the fact that if a third grader can accurately measure a course, then theoretically it shouldn't be such a difficult thing.

But yeah - don't advertise that you're putting on a 5K if you're not going to put in as much effort on the measurements as a 9-year-old does.

Ceetar
Jun 14 2010 07:00 AM
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metsmarathon wrote:
the 5k we have at work is 3.25 miles. it used to be 3.0 miles, but one year it was only 2.5ish.

on the new course, they've got mile markers for the first two miles, and in the first race i figured out where the third mile was based on my pace, so i kicked it into gear for the final 0.1 - i barely had enough to hold on as i kept on wondering where teh hell the finish really was...

damn. i've never come in 2nd in any of my races... nice work!



I have to ask, do they really have "mile" markers and still call the race a 5k? just call it a 3m at that point. (or is that copywrited or something?)

themetfairy
Jun 14 2010 07:16 AM
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Ceetar wrote:


I have to ask, do they really have "mile" markers and still call the race a 5k? just call it a 3m at that point. (or is that copywrited or something?)


Yes - yes they do.

It's just the way it's done.

Actually, that's a question that I had issues with the first time I did the 10K in Bermuda. The hills were killing me, and I didn't know whether the markers were in miles or kilometers. I might have made it a little longer without walking the hills if I had known that I had past the 2 mile mark rather than the 2 kilometer mark.

Fman99
Jun 14 2010 08:13 AM
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Ceetar wrote:
metsmarathon wrote:
the 5k we have at work is 3.25 miles. it used to be 3.0 miles, but one year it was only 2.5ish.

on the new course, they've got mile markers for the first two miles, and in the first race i figured out where the third mile was based on my pace, so i kicked it into gear for the final 0.1 - i barely had enough to hold on as i kept on wondering where teh hell the finish really was...

damn. i've never come in 2nd in any of my races... nice work!



I have to ask, do they really have "mile" markers and still call the race a 5k? just call it a 3m at that point. (or is that copywrited or something?)


The park where I run, where this race was being held, has painted markers on the pavement every quarter mile. I use my phone to keep track of when I've hit 5k, otherwise I would probably run 3 or 3.25 miles per run. I should probably run 3.25 miles per run anyway to make the races seem shorter, but I'd rather have the 5k practice times to compare to.

metsmarathon
Jun 14 2010 08:14 AM
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in a well-executed 5k, you will see mile markers, with clocks, at 1.0 mile, 2.0 mile, and even 3.0 mile, with the finish line a mere 528 or so feet away. (they're not at 1/3 and 2/3 of the race)

the problem isn't so much that the race isn't a 5k - if they called it a 3-miler, that'd be super - its that they call it a 5k, and then the race turns out to be a different length. it either shows that the race organizers are incompetent and cannot accurately measure 5 kilometers, or they're dumb and don't realize that "5k" isn't just runnerese for "a short race" (much like "marathon isn't runnerese for "a stupid-long race") but actually defines the distance of the event.

its annoying because if you're trying to set a pr, and the race is short, you may think you've accomplished your goal, but in reality you haven't, or you may have been able to, but have been cheated of the opportunity. or, if the race is long, you may have actually run a pr, but because you then had to run extra, your time doesn't reflect it.

but mostly, it messes with your head.

the easy way to avoid it is to only run races whose courses are usatf certified (tho even the chicago marathon can screw that up), or to acknowledge going in that any race that isn't usatf certified could be any distance at all.

themetfairy
Jun 14 2010 08:34 AM
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metsmarathon wrote:



the easy way to avoid it is to only run races whose courses are usatf certified (tho even the chicago marathon can screw that up)


If someone's incompetence added an extra mile to my marathon, there would be hell to pay!

Fman99
Jun 14 2010 09:25 AM
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metsmarathon wrote:
in a well-executed 5k, you will see mile markers, with clocks, at 1.0 mile, 2.0 mile, and even 3.0 mile, with the finish line a mere 528 or so feet away. (they're not at 1/3 and 2/3 of the race)


The race I did last weekend had these -- big digital readouts with the gun time at the mile markers. Totally helpful.

themetfairy
Jun 14 2010 09:32 AM
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It surprises me that some races don't do this. Bermuda had mile markers, but no clocks for the 10K and Half Marathon, and the Rutgers half marathon had no clocks and even missed a couple of the mile markers!

I'm at the point where I am getting really picky about course amenities. I don't care so much about the shirts, the goodie bags or the food (they're nice, but not big deals to me at this point), but a course had better have good, easy to read mile markers, timers at the mile markers (I don't care whether it's a digital readout or a person with a watch, but something!), and enough race marshals to make sure that I don't go off course (I've never actually gone off course, but I've had my share of races where some guesswork was involved).

themetfairy
Jun 14 2010 11:08 AM
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I just called Road Runner Sports to order a pair of seamless running socks (I'll try them out. If I like them I'll order more. It took me five minutes to put on my shoes Saturday, primarily because the toe seam was driving me bonkers) and wound up also ordering another pair of running shoes. The New Balance 1225's were on sale, and they will be replaced in a few months with the 1226 model. I know I like the 1225, and was thinking I'd order another pair for Marathon training, so this way I'll have them on hand and not be scrambling looking for them at the last minute when the supply is low.

No, I'm not addicted to buying running shoes. Not at all....

(And as I keep telling D-Dad, he's lucky that these are the kind of shoes I stock up on, as opposed to the kinds that they wear on Sex and the City ).

themetfairy
Jun 14 2010 01:02 PM
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After running with my Droid on Saturday, I decided to get the Buddy Runner app for my phone.

I think my preference will still be to leave the Droid at home when I run. But the next time my Garmin GPS watch dies (and I'm at the point when I'm expecting there to be a next time), at least I have a backup readily available. Plus it'll be nice to have for walks, etc.

It's a nice new toy, and it was a free download to boot!

Ceetar
Jun 14 2010 01:20 PM
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Back to the gym today after lazily putting it off for 10 days. Last time out I set a personal best 2.82 miles in my 30 minutes. Let's see how much the layoff, the eating like crap up and down i95 to Baltimore, and not sleeping well last night inhibits me.

themetfairy
Jun 14 2010 02:13 PM
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You just gotta do it. You need the sloggy runs in order to appreciate the good ones!

Ceetar
Jun 14 2010 02:24 PM
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themetfairy wrote:
You just gotta do it. You need the sloggy runs in order to appreciate the good ones!


I dont' think I appreciate any of them. I just dread them less. At least no Mets game tonight to convince myself to cut the workout short so I can get home to shower in time to start the game.

metsmarathon
Jun 14 2010 02:33 PM
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as long as you're not hurting yourself or don't need the rest, crap miles are better than no miles.

the problem with crap miles sometimes, though, is if you lose focus and let your form fall apart. then you might run the risk of aggravating something.

themetfairy
Jun 14 2010 03:36 PM
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Eventually you'll get to the point of appreciating them. That's when you'll know that you're a runner :)

Fman99
Jun 14 2010 03:59 PM
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themetfairy wrote:
After running with my Droid on Saturday, I decided to get the Buddy Runner app for my phone.

I think my preference will still be to leave the Droid at home when I run. But the next time my Garmin GPS watch dies (and I'm at the point when I'm expecting there to be a next time), at least I have a backup readily available. Plus it'll be nice to have for walks, etc.

It's a nice new toy, and it was a free download to boot!


Funny, I was researching other apps also, for no specific reason. Today I downloaded RunKeeper Lite which is a free iPhone app not unlike iMapMyRun. Doesn't hurt to try something new. MF -- I'll let you know how I like it, they have an Android app as well.

Fman99
Jun 14 2010 04:01 PM
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Ceetar wrote:
Back to the gym today after lazily putting it off for 10 days. Last time out I set a personal best 2.82 miles in my 30 minutes. Let's see how much the layoff, the eating like crap up and down i95 to Baltimore, and not sleeping well last night inhibits me.


I often run after a poor night's sleep, to no ill effect. So many months/years of night time interruptions has conditioned me to be able to function in that condition.

themetfairy
Jun 14 2010 04:03 PM
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Fman99 wrote:
themetfairy wrote:
After running with my Droid on Saturday, I decided to get the Buddy Runner app for my phone.

I think my preference will still be to leave the Droid at home when I run. But the next time my Garmin GPS watch dies (and I'm at the point when I'm expecting there to be a next time), at least I have a backup readily available. Plus it'll be nice to have for walks, etc.

It's a nice new toy, and it was a free download to boot!


Funny, I was researching other apps also, for no specific reason. Today I downloaded RunKeeper Lite which is a free iPhone app not unlike iMapMyRun. Doesn't hurt to try something new. MF -- I'll let you know how I like it, they have an Android app as well.


Thanks pal!

And I concur - I sometimes run better after a poor night's sleep. It's like I get my frustrations out on the pavement.

metsmarathon
Jun 14 2010 04:10 PM
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most of my better races are after crappy or inadequate sleep. especially since i usually have to wake up earlier than i usually do for most of my races

Ceetar
Jun 14 2010 05:07 PM
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metsmarathon wrote:
most of my better races are after crappy or inadequate sleep. especially since i usually have to wake up earlier than i usually do for most of my races



well, it varies for me. I slept well but not long enough. I slept crappy the night before and was running around Baltimore, which is tiresome. So i wasn't completely pooped today and did 2.71m in 30minutes (rounded out the 3miles in cooldown) There are days where i jus tdon't sleep well and literally have no energy and am dragging. too many really. Those days even when i force myself to the gym it's a struggle to even do the minimum acceptable (to me)

metsmarathon
Jun 14 2010 05:58 PM
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true. if you're tired and dragging, its better sometimes to not run. though, sometimes, on days like that, i go for a run and i get a boost of energy, shaking off the cobwebs. other times, it just makes me so much more tired...

Fman99
Jun 14 2010 08:05 PM
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I am now officially registered for three more 5k's -- July 28th, August 15th and August 29th (and this coming Sunday as well).

metsmarathon
Jun 14 2010 08:08 PM
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i'm not yet registered for them, but i'll be running a 5k this saturday, might also run one on monday, and will be doing a 5 mile trail run next friday.

themetfairy
Jun 14 2010 08:36 PM
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My next 5K is a week from tomorrow. A hilly 5K. I figure it's good prep for the Marathon.

themetfairy
Jun 14 2010 08:40 PM
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themetfairy wrote:
The 5K went well. It was warm and humid, but not horribly hot. I finished the first mile in 9:49, which was great, but the route had a lot of uphill running, and I couldn't keep up that pace. Still, I finished the race in 32:19, which was my second best 5K ever.

The glute didn't bother me during the race, although it tightened up a little bit on the drive home. But overall I'm feeling good about the run.


This is the race I'm doing again on the 22nd. I find it interesting that I was having glute issues a full year ago - I didn't remember that my issues with the leg went back that far.

themetfairy
Jun 15 2010 09:25 AM
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I ran with the Droid and the Buddy Runner app today. I liked it - it was pretty accurate on a known route, I liked getting an audio on my stats every half mile, and like the post-run report link that came in my e-mail. The only problem is that it's a little awkward shutting the phone at the end of a long, sweaty run, but other than that it's a nice app.

I'll probably stick with my watch most of the time, but it's nice to know that I have a reliable backup on my phone.

metsmarathon
Jun 15 2010 12:45 PM
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i don't know why, but i always think that quarter mile repeats run at a minute and a half are at a seven minute pace. it happens every time i run quarter repeats, and every time, i'm all thinking how slow i just ran, and how its barely any faster than my 5k pace, and then i log the workout, do the math adding up the times for each interval, and suddenly its revealed that i ran a hell of a lot faster than i thought.

like today. i thought, ok, 90 seconds is 7 minutes, and 75 seconds is then 6 minutes, right. so i'll try for 80 second quarters, maybe 85 cos i'm feeling a bit sluggish. i run the first one, trying to remember where exactly my finish line is, and i hit 87 seconds. ok. fine. run the next one in 82 seconds. and its a challenge. three more at 86 and 87 seconds, and the last one at 84 seconds. whew! as i'm running (ok, jogging) my cooldown, i'm trying to figure the pace out in my head, and i'm stuck thinking, wtf, man, i just averaged 85 seconds on these things, and they kicked my ass. since 85 seconds is 5 seconds shy of 90, then that means that my mile pace was 5x4 or 20 seconds shy of a 7 minute pace - 6:40. but i've run a six minute mile in my last 5k... was i running these that slow? i mean, i felt ok enough. sure, i felt like i wasn't totally going all out. but that should've been faster than my 5k pace...

i get back to my desk, punch in my times on mapmyrun, and out comes my pace. 5:40. oh. right. in cross country it was a challenge doing 75 second quarters because that was a 5:00 mile pace. (yeah, i know. i'm an engineer and i can't figure out that 4 x 15 = 60, therefore 4 x 1:15 = 5:00) so now i feel a lot better about my run. especially since i still think i was holding back a little.

themetfairy
Jun 15 2010 12:58 PM
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Again, you never cease to amaze me.

Fman99
Jun 15 2010 01:03 PM
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metsmarathon wrote:
i don't know why, but i always think that quarter mile repeats run at a minute and a half are at a seven minute pace. it happens every time i run quarter repeats, and every time, i'm all thinking how slow i just ran, and how its barely any faster than my 5k pace, and then i log the workout, do the math adding up the times for each interval, and suddenly its revealed that i ran a hell of a lot faster than i thought.

like today. i thought, ok, 90 seconds is 7 minutes, and 75 seconds is then 6 minutes, right. so i'll try for 80 second quarters, maybe 85 cos i'm feeling a bit sluggish. i run the first one, trying to remember where exactly my finish line is, and i hit 87 seconds. ok. fine. run the next one in 82 seconds. and its a challenge. three more at 86 and 87 seconds, and the last one at 84 seconds. whew! as i'm running (ok, jogging) my cooldown, i'm trying to figure the pace out in my head, and i'm stuck thinking, wtf, man, i just averaged 85 seconds on these things, and they kicked my ass. since 85 seconds is 5 seconds shy of 90, then that means that my mile pace was 5x4 or 20 seconds shy of a 7 minute pace - 6:40. but i've run a six minute mile in my last 5k... was i running these that slow? i mean, i felt ok enough. sure, i felt like i wasn't totally going all out. but that should've been faster than my 5k pace...

i get back to my desk, punch in my times on mapmyrun, and out comes my pace. 5:40. oh. right. in cross country it was a challenge doing 75 second quarters because that was a 5:00 mile pace. (yeah, i know. i'm an engineer and i can't figure out that 4 x 15 = 60, therefore 4 x 1:15 = 5:00) so now i feel a lot better about my run. especially since i still think i was holding back a little.


The only thing you can't outrun is your own subpar math skills :P

Fman99
Jun 15 2010 08:08 PM
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Fman99 wrote:
themetfairy wrote:
After running with my Droid on Saturday, I decided to get the Buddy Runner app for my phone.

I think my preference will still be to leave the Droid at home when I run. But the next time my Garmin GPS watch dies (and I'm at the point when I'm expecting there to be a next time), at least I have a backup readily available. Plus it'll be nice to have for walks, etc.

It's a nice new toy, and it was a free download to boot!


Funny, I was researching other apps also, for no specific reason. Today I downloaded RunKeeper Lite which is a free iPhone app not unlike iMapMyRun. Doesn't hurt to try something new. MF -- I'll let you know how I like it, they have an Android app as well.


I was unimpressed with RunKeeper Lite. It was missing two functions that iMapMyRun has that I use often -- one is the ability to edit a run if the GPS is reporting a different mileage than what I know to be the case, and two is the ability to update Twitter/FB directly from the app. I uninstalled it as soon as I found this to be the case.

Fman99
Jun 15 2010 08:15 PM
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Incidentally, I busted it out of the box, Chris Carter-style, and broke 24 minutes for the first time today with a 23:58 5k.

themetfairy
Jun 15 2010 08:20 PM
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WTG Fman - that's excellent!

Chad Ochoseis
Jun 16 2010 09:22 AM
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At my employer's annual conference in Las Vegas - ran 5.5 miles this morning at 9:15 per mile with a guy from the Atlanta office who had a GPS watch. All in a day's work for the metsmarathons of the world, but for me on a jog, that's big-time mileage and a lightning-fast pace. That got me thinking about three things:

- The best climate on earth for running is Las Vegas' climate in the early morning. Bone dry and about 65 degrees. And 5:30 AM in Vegas is great...a cross between fitness freaks out running and party freaks staggering to their hotel rooms.
- Nothing like a running buddy to keep you going.
- Those GPS watches really are fun.

Fman99
Jun 16 2010 10:14 AM
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Nice run CO!

themetfairy
Jun 16 2010 11:25 AM
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Nice work Chad!

themetfairy
Jun 17 2010 07:29 AM
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The latest GPS watch seems to be running as it should.

I got a Battery Low beep about a mile into my run this morning, but the watch lated the entire 3.8 miles. When I got home and plugged it in, the battery read 13%, so the beep must have come at 20%.

So far so good. Fingers crossed that the thing lasts another 143 days....

metsmarathon
Jun 17 2010 08:53 AM
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i confirmed yesterday that i really need to stretch after softball games, especially when i'm playing the outfield, and most certainly if i've run speedwork earlier in that day.

i ran 5 miles as a recovery run during lunch, and had pretty good running weather with some nice clouds and a little sprinkle of rain towards the end. but man, my legs were tight, especially for the first few miles! i should've expected it, seeing as how my calves were spazzing a little on me during the later innings of the game, and my quads were already tight and sore after just the speedwork.

i'm actually a little surprised i didn't manage to pull something running after fly balls out there, but luckily their better hitters were driving the ball the other way to our rightfielder, who is even more unskilled at the position than am i. he was chasing balls hit in the gap all game, and i really only had to chase after one screaming line drive hit well over my head.

Fman99
Jun 17 2010 08:09 PM
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Another good run for me, finishing 5k today at exactly 24 minutes. I am looking forward to Sunday and trying to improve on my 25:18 time from the one race I ran.

The park where I'm running these times is completely flat, helping my numbers to be sure. I don't know the terrain of this Sunday's race, having never run in the town where it's being held before.

themetfairy
Jun 17 2010 08:43 PM
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WTG and best of luck!

Fman99
Jun 18 2010 05:59 AM
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themetfairy wrote:
WTG and best of luck!


Thanks.

metsmarathon
Jun 18 2010 08:04 AM
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Fman99 wrote:
Another good run for me, finishing 5k today at exactly 24 minutes. I am looking forward to Sunday and trying to improve on my 25:18 time from the one race I ran.

The park where I'm running these times is completely flat, helping my numbers to be sure. I don't know the terrain of this Sunday's race, having never run in the town where it's being held before.


y'know, as fast as y'all make me out to be, it's only in the past two years or so that i've been able to keep my 5k times consistently below 24 minutes... and it seems like every time you go out there, you're either doing it, or knocking on the door! seriously, nice work!

you should be in good shape for sunday's race, if its the one you've mentioned upstream. looks like the start is flat for a few hundred yards, then there should be a brief, but possibly sharp hill as you turn away from the lake, finally levelling off just after you turn onto gillard. looks like about 50' in 1/4 mile or so. the rest of the race is basically flat as you head out for the turnaround, and then coming back, you'll get the same hill on the downslope. should be a nice boost, but as you come back across the start line, you'll have another slight hill, it looks like, as you turn onto lakeside and then have a sharp turn onto broadway for the finish.

plenty of opportunities to shift gears in the last half mile - i'd look to use the downhill there to build speed, but once it levelled out along the lake, i'd just keep my stride open, and cruise till i came back to the start line, then "downshift" and power through that final incline and the last two turns.

great. now i've gotta scout my 5k for tomorrow and figure out my own race strategy.

oh, and lest you think i'm just plain spooky and somehow am familiar with a little race course in upstate new york...
http://www.mikecaruana5k.com/Course-Map.html
http://www.mapmyrun.com/run/united-stat ... 3436166545 (the course mapped here is sloppy, but gets the idea across)

themetfairy
Jun 18 2010 09:06 AM
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Spooky - never. I think of you as a rare and valuable coaching asset when you take the time to look over our courses for us. Thank you for doing that!

metsmarathon
Jun 18 2010 09:56 AM
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my race tomorrow is a little different - the o'burg 5k, in ogdensburg, nj.

the first mile is a straight shot that gradually rolls down almost 100', then turns right, finally bottoming out at 1.25 miles, crossing over the walkill river. the next mile or so is mostly flat as it runs along the base of a ridge, past the historic sterling hill mine, site of one of the more productive zinc mines in the country, also famous for its fluorescent mineral deposits, and finally turns back uphill. at about 2.5 miles, the flatness ends, and over the next half mile, i regain those 100'. as it levels off and approaches the 3-mile mark, i've got three quick turns and then a sprint to the finish.

i'm hoping to run it with the same approach i took for the sparta main street 5k last month, only better-executed. that is to say, let the opening downhill pull me along into a fast clip, approaching 6-minute pace, eyeing the first turn, and try to cruise into the halfway point. the next mile will be the key to the race as it will be flat, with a flat quarter mile, then a turn, and then a flat shady mostly straight half mile where i could easily lose focus. i'm going to have to reach back into my xc experience if i want to keep my head in the race at that point. at the 2-mile mark, there should be a natural refocusing effect as i'll breach the grounds of the mining site, and the visual interest should keep my going. once i hit the 2-mile, i'll have another quarter mile, then a turn, then a quarter mile, then the hill. knowing that, i hope to maintain most of my pace while squirreling away a bit of energy for that hill. if there's anyone right ahead of me, i hope to use the hill to reel them in. but once it flattens out, it'll then be a challenge to keep up the pace through those final turns.

if i do it right, i power up the hill, slow a little before the first turn, then turn on the jets and dash to what i hope is a new pr. done wrong, i leave my race on that hill, and suck wind to the finish.

i guess we'll just have to see what happens...



...when i run, i generally need to be constantly shifting gears, otherwise can to get complacent or lose focus. put a hill, or a quick rise, in my path, and it just rejuvenates me and naps me back into the run. it lets me engage my leg muscles ever so slightly differently, maybe rising up higher on my forefoot to get more calf action, lifting my knees only a bit more, or just to get my arms swinging efficiently again. throw a turn in my path, and i get to drop down, engage my glutes and hammies, and slingshot right through it. i hate long, straight flat stretches because they rob me of those opportunities, and my form degrades and i tire. i think it's part of my problem with marathons, since they're usually longer, straighter, and flatter than your typical 5k.

and yet, my current 5k pr is on a straight, mostly flat, out-and-back course...

Fman99
Jun 18 2010 10:08 AM
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metsmarathon wrote:
Another good run for me, finishing 5k today at exactly 24 minutes. I am looking forward to Sunday and trying to improve on my 25:18 time from the one race I ran.

The park where I'm running these times is completely flat, helping my numbers to be sure. I don't know the terrain of this Sunday's race, having never run in the town where it's being held before.


y'know, as fast as y'all make me out to be, it's only in the past two years or so that i've been able to keep my 5k times consistently below 24 minutes... and it seems like every time you go out there, you're either doing it, or knocking on the door! seriously, nice work!

you should be in good shape for sunday's race, if its the one you've mentioned upstream. looks like the start is flat for a few hundred yards, then there should be a brief, but possibly sharp hill as you turn away from the lake, finally levelling off just after you turn onto gillard. looks like about 50' in 1/4 mile or so. the rest of the race is basically flat as you head out for the turnaround, and then coming back, you'll get the same hill on the downslope. should be a nice boost, but as you come back across the start line, you'll have another slight hill, it looks like, as you turn onto lakeside and then have a sharp turn onto broadway for the finish.

plenty of opportunities to shift gears in the last half mile - i'd look to use the downhill there to build speed, but once it levelled out along the lake, i'd just keep my stride open, and cruise till i came back to the start line, then "downshift" and power through that final incline and the last two turns.

great. now i've gotta scout my 5k for tomorrow and figure out my own race strategy.

oh, and lest you think i'm just plain spooky and somehow am familiar with a little race course in upstate new york...
http://www.mikecaruana5k.com/Course-Map.html
http://www.mapmyrun.com/run/united-stat ... 3436166545 (the course mapped here is sloppy, but gets the idea across)


Thanks for the insight... you do have the right course and race, yes. Your counsel is always welcome and never creepy, I agree with MF 100%.

metsmarathon
Jun 19 2010 08:58 AM
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well, i didnt really run the race the way i had wanted to...

while i was waiting around for the race to start, i began to realize one thing - i wished that i had brought a water bottle to douse myself with on the starting line. i was feeling a little bit warm, but not too bad. hopefully the water stops would be nice and refreshing along the course, and well placed, too.

the start was a little fitful. i was about three back, but still had to yo-yo my way through the crowd to find some free space right off the bat. i was expecting the first downhill to be a little steeper than it was, but otherwise it went well. just after the first half mile, two guys pushing running strollers caught and subsequently passed me. i like to think they used the downhill to their advantage, but really, they were just that fast. the first mile went well enough, ran it in 6:11, but felt a little slow doing it. grabbed a third-full plastic cup of warm water at the water stop, and continued on. i had hoped for more refreshment.

i ran the second mile in about 7:02. i wasn't really shifting gears and was already kindof just holding on. i was both looking forward to the last mile and its promise of a gear-shifting hill, and anxious about how much energy i might have for it.

at the second water stop, i grabbed two cups, one to splash, the other to fail at drinking. there was also a fire truck there spraying water, which was perfect.

the hill i was looking forward to was more of a gradual incline. it snuck up on me more than it afforded me the opportunity to shift gears. it also caused me to lose my place in the race. i was no longer sure where a half mile to go was. finally got to the last few turns i was looking forward to, but didn't really have much left. i'm not sure what my third mile was, but it was about 7:30. at least from here i knew where the finish was. i was finally able to kick it into gear as i could sniff a pr, and pick off a runner, too. i caught one guy with steps to spare, finishing right behind the first female, and one second quicker than my pr, in 21:14.

i came out 5th among males, 30-39, and 22nd overall.

and i'm really not tired right now either, which is both a good thing, and a little annoying. it means i should've run faster. next time.

friday night i have my first off-road race in over ten years, since my xc days. five miles through kittatinny state park in andover. i expect it to be hilly, twisty, and challenging. much of the same course will make up an 8 mile trail run in october, and a trail half marathon in november, both of which i'm pretty excited about. so this is a scouting mission as well as a race! saturday, i have another 5k, and if i'm really feeling adventurous, and if my legs haven't fallen off yet, there's actually two 5ks on sunday. but i probably won't do both of them... well, we'll see...

themetfairy
Jun 19 2010 04:31 PM
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WTG marathon!

Fman99
Jun 20 2010 05:20 AM
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Nice work! I'm off to my 5k in a few minutes, and it's sunny and beautiful outside already. Nice day for a run!

Fman99
Jun 20 2010 10:07 AM
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Felt great the entire run today, finished with a clocked time of 24:09 (my watch said 24:07 but there was a 1-2 second delay as I was a few rows back of the front row of runners). Knocked out the first mile in a cool 7:31, which was good. A slight hill in the first mile as it went up and away from the lake, and a water stop at the 2:30 mark that I ignored. Since this was a up and back race this stop was more strategically placed for the end-run.

Knocked out the second mile in exactly 8 minutes, so I was at 15:31 for 2 miles. This was after reaching the turnaround point and dousing a cup of water on my back. I realized that I had been coasting a bit at the 2 mile mark, so I turned it up, found a nice rhythm and some shade and upped it a bit. Got to the third mile at 23:17, so I was a 7:48 for the third mile. The race ended around the corner from the start and they threw one more big hill in at around the 2.8 mile mark, but I had enough juice to push up the hill. Didn't even try to drink the water, just dumped it on my back again at that point.

Finished 35th out of the first 135 runners to finish when they posted the times... and there were still people finishing when they posted it. I suspect they had over 150 finishers. The 24:09 time put me fourth overall in my M35-39 age group, which was won by a guy about 75 seconds ahead of me.

I think if I keep improving I could actually finish first in my age group in one of these smaller races, that has 100-200 entrants. And that would be a real coup! In the interim I was happy to be 69 seconds faster than my race time from two weeks ago. Next race isn't for another 5 weeks so I have time to work on it. God damn, it is fun to do these races I must admit. Way more fun than I thought it would be. Having success, finishing high in my age group, helps to make it more enjoyable. It's such a contrast to my horrific golf game, where I'm the worst golfer in my league.

themetfairy
Jun 20 2010 11:15 AM
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WTG Fman - that's excellent.

And LOL - I never had the experience of loving races because I'm so good at them. I always have to look for other reasons. I'm impressed at your performance - that's outstanding!

metsmarathon
Jun 20 2010 12:13 PM
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i wish the little races i do would have 5-year age groups... i took 2nd among 30-34 year olds, but because they were doing 10-year awards, i finished out of the prizes...

my golf game is unspeakably bad. i make pretty good contact, but always manage to send the ball off at about 30º from direction i'm, trying to hit it. its uncanny, really

themetfairy
Jun 20 2010 04:08 PM
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This is the course I'm running Tuesday night.

It doesn't look so bad on paper, but I swear it feels like it's uphill the entire way!

metsmarathon
Jun 20 2010 06:08 PM
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yeah, that's just all sneaky-uphills. they're not steep enough to really notice them, and certainly not steep enough to actually help you on the way down, but they do sneak up on you and make it just that much harder to run up them.

Fman99
Jun 20 2010 08:29 PM
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Ooooo I think I found another 5k to run... we're heading to northern Virginia for the Fourth of July weekend to visit my cousin and her family, and take in a Mets/Nats tilt on the Fourth. But there's also a 5k at 8 AM in Reston, VA, about 15 miles north of my cousin's house. I could shoot out there in the morning and be back at my cousin's by 9:30 or so, plenty of time to spare.

Slick!

themetfairy
Jun 20 2010 08:32 PM
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Ooooo I think I found another 5k to run... we're heading to northern Virginia for the Fourth of July weekend to visit my cousin and her family, and take in a Mets/Nats tilt on the Fourth. But there's also a 5k at 8 AM in Reston, VA, about 15 miles north of my cousin's house. I could shoot out there in the morning and be back at my cousin's by 9:30 or so, plenty of time to spare.

Slick!


Very cool.

I did the same thing 4th of July 2003 when I was in Cincinnati for the Mets series. It's a nice memory - have fun!

metsmarathon
Jun 21 2010 08:09 AM
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we've created a monster...

...

so far in my illustrious running career, i've run around the world, i've chased an airplane, i've run underwater, and i've gone to disneyland. i've just now committed to running across the great state of new jersey!

at the end of july, i'll be taking part in the 15th annual river to sea relay, in which a team of 7 runners cuts across the middle of new jersey, from milford to manasquan, covering a total of 92 miles. the course is broken down into 14 legs of varying length and difficulty, from as little as 2.5 miles all the way up to 9.25 miles. it averages out to about 13 miles per person, but i think i'm the second best runner on my team, so i'm expecting to run more than that. i'm expecting to run two legs of approximately 8 miles each, separated by about 5 hours of riding in a van. not quite sure how the break is going to affect me.

most of the course is either flat or slightly rolling. except for "the beast" that's an 8 mile leg that starts along the delaware river in lambertville, and then climbs about 400' in the next two miles, before finally levelling off with a slight downhill for the last 6 miles. i'm happy to say that i am not planning on running that leg. its not that i woudn't happily take on the challenge, but another runner has already staked his claim to it. and i'm not about to fight over four hundred feet of incline.

themetfairy
Jun 21 2010 08:58 AM
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Wow - that sounds awesome.

Is there a course map available? I'm wondering whether I would be able to cheer you on.

Fman99
Jun 21 2010 10:53 AM
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Wow, good luck with that! Sounds nutty.

metsmarathon
Jun 21 2010 11:38 AM
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http://www.mapmyrun.com/run/united-stat ... 2952313957

i think this one has the different legs called out (dog icons, for some reason).

not sure yet which legs i'll be doing. we'll be making that determination a week prior to the race.

Fman99
Jun 21 2010 11:43 AM
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Cool.

I just registered for the Firecracker 5k in Reston, VA on July 4th.

I wonder if any CPF'ers in the capital region want to join me for a run that day? I know there are a few of them...

themetfairy
Jun 22 2010 07:59 AM
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marathon - let me know if you're running the leg on Ridge Road. That's not too far from me.

metsmarathon
Jun 22 2010 08:15 AM
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i'd say there's about a 50% chance i'll be doing the leg that ends on ridge road. its one of the three longest legs (8.05 miles) in the first half of the race, and one of those three is spoken for. so i expect to either be assigned leg 2 (8.2 miles) or this one, leg 6. leg 6 pairs nicely with leg 13, 7.95 miles in length, which finishes a few blocks from my aunt & uncle. so i'm kindof hoping for that one, though it'll probably be the most difficult, steamy pairing.

themetfairy
Jun 22 2010 09:01 AM
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If you get it and you'd like me to have something for you on the course, let me know!

When is the race?

metsmarathon
Jun 22 2010 09:33 AM
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saturday, july 31. if my calculations are correct, and i end up doing that leg, i could be expected to be running that leg sometime between 10:30 and 12:30, depending on when we would start, and how fast our other runners would be, which i would imagine i'd also have a better idea of come race day

themetfairy
Jun 22 2010 09:37 AM
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Keep me informed. As of now, that's a clear day on the calendar (subject to a friend's birthday celebration that may take place that day).

themetfairy
Jun 22 2010 07:30 PM
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Tonight I ran the seemingly constant uphill 5K in 33:45. Not a land speed record, but at least I didn't feel like the hills kicked my ass this time :)

The Second Spitter
Jun 23 2010 12:18 AM
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That's a great time. Not putting any pressure or anything, but I predict you'll run sub 4:45 for your Marathon.

themetfairy
Jun 23 2010 05:27 AM
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ROFL 3D - I can all but assure you that isn't going to happen

Not only was I never blessed with speed, but after my leg injury this winter I'm a little slower than I had been.

6:53 is my goal time - I can run a marathon in less time than it took the Mets to win the 20 inning game ;) But in all serious, I'd be ecstatic with anything under 6 hours. And truth be told, so long as I cross the finish line while they're still giving out medals, I'll be happy :)

Rockin' Doc
Jun 23 2010 09:29 PM
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Due to taking it easy so my left achilles tendon could have some time to heal and a chaotic travel schedule (on the road and out of state for 12 of the first 20 days in June) I had not been in the gym at all since my run on May 29th. I decided it was time to get back to work this evening. I lifted weights for 30 minutes, then stretched and hit the treadmill for a leisurely run. It's amazing how much you lose in a few weeks of down time. I actually got through the lifting portion of the work out, granted with mildly reduced weights, better than I expected. My run started well, but at the 19 minute mark I was really fatiguing and breathing pretty hard and had to walk for 45 seconds. I broke down and walked for another 45 seconds at around the 28 minute mark. It was very dissapointing not to be able to run the entire 30 minutes, but I'll regain my stamina after a few more workouts.

I ended up doing a mildly disappointing 3.23 miles in 30 minutes. My back is sore and my legs are stiff and achey, but at least my left achilles never bothered me. Most significantly, I'm back in the gym once more.

themetfairy
Jun 23 2010 09:34 PM
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That's still faster than I am!

Welcome back RD!

Fman99
Jun 24 2010 05:58 AM
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Rockin' Doc wrote:
Due to taking it easy so my left achilles tendon could have some time to heal and a chaotic travel schedule (on the road and out of state for 12 of the first 20 days in June) I had not been in the gym at all since my run on May 29th. I decided it was time to get back to work this evening. I lifted weights for 30 minutes, then stretched and hit the treadmill for a leisurely run. It's amazing how much you lose in a few weeks of down time. I actually got through the lifting portion of the work out, granted with mildly reduced weights, better than I expected. My run started well, but at the 19 minute mark I was really fatiguing and breathing pretty hard and had to walk for 45 seconds. I broke down and walked for another 45 seconds at around the 28 minute mark. It was very dissapointing not to be able to run the entire 30 minutes, but I'll regain my stamina after a few more workouts.

I ended up doing a mildly disappointing 3.23 miles in 30 minutes. My back is sore and my legs are stiff and achey, but at least my left achilles never bothered me. Most significantly, I'm back in the gym once more.


The important thing is getting your legs back. In a week you'll be close to where you were when you left off.

themetfairy
Jun 24 2010 09:48 AM
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I got my ass kicked by the heat today. I planned on running 6 miles, but after 5K took my first walking break. I cut short my route, and counting only the time I ran got 4 miles in.

I'd feel worse about my performance, but it really is brutal out there.

Fman99
Jun 24 2010 10:17 AM
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themetfairy wrote:
I got my ass kicked by the heat today. I planned on running 6 miles, but after 5K took my first walking break. I cut short my route, and counting only the time I ran got 4 miles in.

I'd feel worse about my performance, but it really is brutal out there.


I thought this yesterday. Got my 5k in, and still under 25 minutes, but totally saturated with my own perspire. Gross.

metsmarathon
Jun 24 2010 11:31 AM
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the heat's been kicking my ass a lot this summer, too. today, i did 3 miles, in 8:11 pace. it was a little bit toasty out. but there was a nice breeze and the haze seemed to cut down on the solar loading a bit. overall, i liked today better than yesterday, for running.

and, if hte thunderbolts will allow, i've got softball tonight. i'm really hoping i'll be playing first base tonight and not the outfield...

themetfairy
Jun 25 2010 10:38 AM
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OK - I got my (not so fat) ass back out there today and ran 6 miles.

I didn't really go out with a plan. More of a hope. I figured I'd get in 5K, but I hoped to do the 6 miles that I couldn't run yesterday.

It's warm out there, but not as oppressively humid as it was yesterday. I felt good until about the 5.5 mile mark, but at that point I was too close to my goal to stop. Plus I promised myself I could have pasta for dinner if I ran the 6 miles, so nothing at that point was going to get between me and my reward gnocchi.

1:12:43. No land speed record, but basically a steady 12 minute mile pace.

In light of yesterday's ass-kicking, I am really happy to have done this today :)

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jun 25 2010 11:11 AM
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I waited till ~9:30 last night to try and run and still the conditions were oppressive.

I'm a little disappointed with how slow I've been since getting back on the road. Part of it is that I still lack CAHNfidence going out there, I invariably leave the house thinking "there's no way I'll ever finish this" or "just wait, something will start hurting soon" or "wouldn't you rather be seated?" etc etc

As a result, I think my first mile or so is close to if not the slowest, since I'm concerned about conserving energy for the breakdown I'm sure to have later.

I know it's not about speed, but it is about my speed; I run the same route usually (7 miles) and my times this year have tended to be 3-4 minutes slower than they were over the same course a year ago, and as much as 8 or 10 minutes behind my fastest time.

Rockin' Doc
Jun 25 2010 11:14 AM
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I decided to skip the weight room since I'm still pretty stiff and sore from 2 days ago. That always helps to make the running a little easier for me. Today was much better as I set a new personal best of 26:42 for 5K and breezed through 3.48 miles in 30 minutes. It was amazing to me how much better I felt today than I did 2 days ago.

Tomorrow I plan to be back in the weight room before my run which will likely slow me down a little, but it feels good to be back in the gym.

Fman99
Jun 25 2010 11:17 AM
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Rockin' Doc wrote:
I decided to skip the weight room since I'm still pretty stiff and sore from 2 days ago. That always helps to make the running a little easier for me. Today was much better as I set a new personal best of 26:42 for 5K and breezed through 3.48 miles in 30 minutes. It was amazing to me how much better I felt today than I did 2 days ago.

Tomorrow I plan to be back in the weight room before my run which will likely slow me down a little, but it feels good to be back in the gym.


Nice work Doc!

I am going to bang out a 5k after work and then take it easy this weekend... no 5k's for a 50 mile radius around my house this weekend. Trying to figure out my schedule for next week, since I have an obligation to meet a buddy of mine for beers one night after work (Monday or Tuesday), plus my Thursday night golf league, driving most of the way down to Virginia Friday, and then spending time with my relatives on Saturday before a 5k Sunday morning in Reston. Going to be tough to squeeze in my normal three runs next week.

Chad Ochoseis
Jun 25 2010 11:18 AM
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Fman99 wrote:
I just registered for the Firecracker 5k in Reston, VA on July 4th.

I wonder if any CPF'ers in the capital region want to join me for a run that day? I know there are a few of them...


I'm going to be in the DC area for the weekend to visit friends and go to Saturday's game. I'm thinking about making the trip to Reston for the run - will PM you if I do.

themetfairy
Jun 25 2010 11:46 AM
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Lunchie - part of the slower time is adjustment to the humidity. Your times should improve once you're better acclimated.

RD - nice job!

Fman (and maybe Chad) - enjoy the race :)

Fman99
Jun 25 2010 12:17 PM
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Chad Ochoseis wrote:
Fman99 wrote:
I just registered for the Firecracker 5k in Reston, VA on July 4th.

I wonder if any CPF'ers in the capital region want to join me for a run that day? I know there are a few of them...


I'm going to be in the DC area for the weekend to visit friends and go to Saturday's game. I'm thinking about making the trip to Reston for the run - will PM you if I do.


That'd be awesome, let me know. A CPF 5k!

metsmarathon
Jun 25 2010 01:01 PM
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i'm really hoping the heat and humidity dissipate by 6 tonight, and are further dissipated by the forestly atmosphere of my trail race tonight.

i really have no expectations as to how i'm going to do - mostly because i don't know how challenging the course will be and how i need to adjust my expectations for running on trails. i think there might be a couple of big hills in there too, for good measure... there's an opportunity for a steep 100' hill and an even steeper 200' hill.

and i've only done one (oh wait... two) cross country type race in the past eleven years, on flat, reasonably well-behaved grass. if its a narrow, tricky trail, that's going to chew into my time, but less so if its a well-groomed trail that isn't looking to break my ankles and twist my knees.

a quick perusal of last year's finishing times cross referenced with their associated 5k and 5mile times tells me i should expect not to finish in less than 40 minutes, and might require even 45 minutes. my 5 mile flat earth pr, for comparison, is under 35 minutes.

whee!

metsmarathon
Jun 25 2010 01:11 PM
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but i did get a running stroller today (which i will not be breaking in on the trail!), so yay - i can finally put the kid to good use!

themetfairy
Jun 25 2010 01:44 PM
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How long is the trail race?

And have fun with the stroller :)

metsmarathon
Jun 25 2010 01:56 PM
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oops - thought i mentioned that. 5 miles. same distance we used to run in college. even before i started getting fast, i think i never ran a cross country race in more than 40 minutes. i logged a bunch of 38s though. but those were in the fall, and i feel like i should make some accounting for the heat and humidity :)

themetfairy
Jun 25 2010 02:07 PM
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Best of luck with it!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jun 25 2010 02:23 PM
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themetfairy wrote:
Lunchie - part of the slower time is adjustment to the humidity. Your times should improve once you're better acclimated.


Well, no I wasn't saying the humidity slowed me down (well, it did last night, but that's not what I meant to convey).

My times are slower than they used to be with or without humidity, and I suspect its at last partly because I am getting off to a very slow first mile or so.

themetfairy
Jun 25 2010 02:30 PM
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Well, best of luck getting back up to speed!

metsmarathon
Jun 25 2010 07:48 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

well. that was not easy.

the course consisted of about two out-and-back miles of the sussex branch trail, which is an old rail bed that's nicely groomed, mostly flat, and wide enough. the rest of the course was single-width trails scratched into the rocky hills of sussex county.

there were about 300 people in the race. i positioned myself a few rows off the start line, but still found myself pinched as we entered the trail. a good quick-stepping sprint on the sussex branch and i found a good pack. the first quarter mile was along said trail, and then cut dramatically down to the right onto a tiny little scratch of pulverized rock and bare earth, interspersed here and there with roots, shattered boulders, washed-out gulleys, and downed trees. there were only very limited opportunities to pass here. you really had to choose your spots and time it right or you'd kill a person, possibly yourself.

i did a little bit of jockeying for position here, but kept with basically the same group.

that trail eventually came back to the sussex branch, which we stepped on only long enough to step off it onto the next trail, which took us up a few switchbacks to the top of a rocky outcropping. the footing in places was really quite sketchy. we tehn followed it down the outcropping, steeper, and sketchier than the way up, also with switchbacks. at about the first mile, i'm guessing, i managed to roll my ankle pretty good. [for me, that's no big deal. a physical therapist i once went to for a foot issue was amazed by my lack of ankle-spraining ligaments. apparently, i must've blown them out long ago, and never knew it, and am now basically immune. the real concern is transmitting the twist up to my knee, which didnt happen today.] i'm pretty sure teh first mile was not marked. because i didn't see it. eventually, we got back onto the sussex branch trail, and it was so nice in comparison. about 3/4 of a mile or so further, we reached its end, out two mile mark, first water stop, and a turnaround. i spent most of this 3/4 mile accelerating, going from group to group, finding my level, as it were. i settled in among a group that contained the only two women i could see around me. one of them had been jockeying for position with me, and i felt liek she was going to be a challenge. she had good racing instincts i could tell. as we approached the turnaround, teh lead runners began to pass us on their way back. there was one more woman ahead, so these were #2 & 3 females overall. as the water stop neared, i turned on teh jets to pass this group that i was in, but that was just to build up a cushion so i could slow at the water stop.

one cup of water later, i was back in teh race. i hadn't lost too much time, and was right back with my group. again, i slowly accelerated through them. over the next mile of flat trail, we settled in. the #2 woman was going to give me a good fight.

we turn in to another treacherous trail, and i've got a runner ahead of me. i stay nailed to his back as we twist and turn through the woodland. this trail has a lot of larger, flat rocks as its base, and i'm glad it wasn't rainy, or it'd be devilishly slick. shortly after we started on this trail, and as i'm letting my mind go to just flow with this guy ahead of me, a root or something that i don't think i ever saw reached up and grapped my foot. i fell nearly headlong, felt like i was going horizontal, splayed out my arms, and managed, miraculously, not to fall. i'm really not sure how i did that. i'm sure it was not graceful. had i gone down, i'd be picking sussex county out of my face for weeks. i had some opportunities to pass in the next stretch, but my confidence was shaken.

there was another water stop at about three and a half miles. then the course took us up tower hill.

sorry.

i meant to type that with more dread. let me try again.

then the course took us up tower hill!!! (oooh, scary...) here's where i wish i had more experience with the course. in the next half mile or so, i'm pretty sure we ascended 150-200'

it was a mind -and leg- numbing series of steep climbs, brief plateaus, quick little downhills, and then back up the hills. the first few were pretty steep, and the runner i'd been shadowing was clearly conserving energy on them, and i was too. then there was a big steep one. i powered up it. blew right by him and another runner. mistake. i reached the top with a burning in my quads and a feeling of accomplishment. i thought i had to be near the summit. i was wrong. very wrong. there were more, bigger hills to come, and i'd just burnt out my legs. the next hill was a struggle, and at its sharpest, i gave in and walked. the guy i just blew by, cruised on past, along with another runner who was clearly more accustomed to these trails. i regrouped and shuffled on. there were more hills to come, and i'd chided myself to take them more conservatively. the next one i did a much better job on, taking smaller steps, taking more time, but not disproportionately blowing out energy. i've lost count of how many dead-stop hills there were, really. i think there were at least 3 that had me wanting to walk up. the last big hill of the race was not one of these, but it was long, with a levelling off at its middle.

i tripped again. i think i saw it coming this time, but i'm not sure. the first time i didnt think there were even any roots to trip over. this time i just didnt pick up my feet enough. i saved myself, no less gracefully than the first time, but i wasn't going as fast.

but now my confidence was really shot.

i literally had to talk myself into getting back on my horse and climbing back up that hill. the #2 woman had closed ground on me, and was right on my heels. at long last we reached the summit and the 4-mile mark. we were way the fuck high up there, and tehre was only a mile left to get us back down, and half of that was on a nice smooth gravel road. so really there was only a half mile to take us back down the 150-200' that we'd just climbed.

did i mention my confidence was shot?

this was by far the most tricky, loosely rocked, sketchy, ankle-rolling segment of teh course, and it was mostly fall on your face down hill. it was so steep that if you tried to slow down and walk, you'd be forced to run just because of gravity.

the woman passed me early on the downhill, as i was taking it a little conservatively. she was intent on flying down the hill.

about half way down, the course levelled off, and turned along the edge of the hill. i took a wide turn, and my downhill foot slipped over the edge a little, just enough for a little scare. that's four times in one race that i nearly killed myself. not counting each and every single step down that damned hill.

then tehre was another sharp rise. i was not happy. here we are going blazingly down hill, scary steep, and we've gotta do more damned climbing? i mean, really. w.t.f. and the back side of this little gem was just awful. i don't know how the guys at teh front of the pack did it, because they ran this thing in 6:00 pace. i guess they're lighter and more nimble...

anyways, the course finally flattens out, and i've managed not to lose too much ground to the #2 woman. and now i can hear breathing down my neck.

gravel road. half mile to go. i turn it on. but i really don't know how much i've got. all i know is, in a sprint, i can beat the woman. i think. the other mystery runner fast on my heels? no idea.

but my speed work pays off. i pass her, and i think my timing was such that the other guy didnt really have a chance to engage me in a duel. thnaks to the gravel i could hear if there was somebody gaining on me. but there wasn't. nonetheless, i wasn't about to ease up too much, as at the start, the race director had said that the course was long. maybe by a quarter mile. so i wasn';t really sure if i was at 4.5 or 4.75 when i saw the "half mile" sign. i'm still not sure. because the gravel road wound a bit and eventually revealed the finish line. and right before the chute, was a lowly laminated sheet of 8 1/2 x 11 paper with a big "5" printed on it. as i saw the clock, i noticed the time. the 41st minute was rapidly ticking away. i had set as my unofficial goal to run the race in 42 minutes. so whatever i had left, i poured on.

41:56, i think, was my time.

i don't know if the course was 5 miles, or 5.25 miles. i don't think anyone does. for the first time in my running life, i wish i had a gps watch. :p

based on last year's results, 42 minutes would leave me in great shape for an age group award. but last year, there were 130 runners. this year, over 320. i seem to be really good at running races just after they had been small and winnable. the difference was, last year, the age groups spanned ten years. this year, five.

so i still had a good shot.

i figured, though, that i'd probably take 4th. i'm really good at coming in 4th in my age group.

after about 40 minutes, they finally posted the race results. in the meantime, i had about 4 slices of dominoes pizza.

y'know, its not that bad. way better than i remember it, and way better than i remember pizza hut being, tho it's been ten to fifteen years since i'd had either.

i wouldn't go seeking out dominoes over the various other more new-york-style pizza places that litter sussex county in general and sparta in specific, but if i were stuck in some remote corner of the nation, somewhere where they can neither produce adequate bagels nor adequate pizza, i would now feel rather confident in ordering in some dominoes.

but yeah, the race results were finally posted. 4th place. damn. well, at least i didn't have to stick around for the medal ceremony. the guy who took 3rd among 30-34 year old men finished a minute ahead of me. there's an off chance he might've passed me on those big hills, but i'm not sure. there were about six other runners between us, iirc.

i finished just ahead of the 3rd place 35-39 year old guy, and just behind him was woman #2. i congratulated her on a well fought race.

it occurs to me now that i really should've checked out the top of the leader board. although i don't think it to be the case, if the first place M30-34 runner was in the top three, i might still have gotten a medal. damn.

but there were a ton of high school and college aged runners, and they should've filled up the front of the race before some old guy. so i hope.

on the whole, i'm pretty happy about the race. i'm looking forward to october when the same course, with three more miles of fun tacked onto it, is again the subject of a competitive running event. i know now how to approach the (uh, read this as if you were mumm-ra) accursed tower hill, and those extra three miles can only be easy by comparison. right?

then in november, it turns into a half marathon. i'm sure by slapping on another of this five mile course. that's gonna be fun...

i could've raced a better race, and might've if i hadn't tripped those two times. but on the other hand, if i hadn't been cowed into taking it easy on that treacherous last downhill, i might have a face more full of rock than teeth. so maybe it was a good thing.

in 10 more hours, i have another 5k. this one is flat. thank god.

metsmarathon
Jun 25 2010 07:50 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

holy crap. i type a lot.

The Second Spitter
Jun 25 2010 08:13 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

metsmarathon wrote:
holy crap. i type a lot.


You should start a running blog, dude. (Btw, congrats on your little addition, is it a boy or girl?)

I've got a 14km race in early August -- the first 8km are uphill (with a Cat 1 climb between 6.5 to 7.5km) -- basically I'm going to get slaughtered because I'm so out of shape. I ran my first 10km in 11 months yesterday at a tortoise-like 60 plus some change. I've recently taken up boxing to work up some fitness. (Btw this is my trainer - I challenge anybody on CPF to produce a trainer with a better name!)

Rockin' Doc
Jun 25 2010 08:24 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Well, you have definitely convinced me that if I ever decide to run a race, I will make sure that it is not of the cross country, trail running variety.

Until the outdaoor temperatures get below 90 degrees, I really don't have any desire to leave the air conditioned comfort of the treadmill at the health club.

Fman99
Jun 25 2010 08:40 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

I did some trail running today too -- I decided to forgo the pavement and convenient quarter mile markers and head off onto the trails in my nearby park. A little less precise in terms of my splits but really beautiful country to run in (and good tunes, rockin out to the Beastie Boys "To the 5 Boroughs" from stop to finish).

Banged out what my phone said was 3 miles in 25 minutes, though I new it to be longer because I ran 1.4 miles up to the end of the trail, yet my phone said it was only 2.66 miles when I got back to where I started. Nevertheless I felt great, and had I not had to go pick up the kids I could have easily run another mile or two. Usually I am 100% gassed when I get to the end of 5k but today I felt invigorated.

I think now it'll be tough for me to go back to treadmills come November. I may need a 'fruity leotard' like JCL suggested so I can run outside this winter....

themetfairy
Jun 25 2010 09:34 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

As always mm, you amaze me. And 4th place is pretty damn impressive!

Best of luck on your morning race.

metsmarathon
Jun 26 2010 08:43 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

well. that was a surprise.

woke up this morning. got the baby and wife into the car, grabbed a large coffee and an everything bagel with cream cheese, and consumed both on the 30-odd minute drive. got to the race with a half hour to spare. downed a quick gulp or two or gatorade. signed up for the race. went back to the car to change my shirt. downed one of those new gatorade pre-race gel packs, which are really pretty good.

got to the starting area at 7:55, with about 5 minutes to spare. you'll note, there's not a lot of hydration happening in my day. work my way to a good enough area of the starting line. i figure i'm in the 9 minute group here. but i don't want to start out too quick - really have no idea what i've got today.

the race starts, and i hit my watch. we had chip timing, but i forgot to hit my watch as i crossed the starting line. it probably took me between six and ten seconds. for teh first quarter mile, the race is slightly downhill, and i'm passing people with ease. my legs are still used to running fast from yesterday, and so need little convincing. the course turns, and the next half mile is a steadily increasing hill that turns from sneaky to annoying. nothing too bad, but you start to feel it towards teh end. if you're not paying attention, it can slow you up pretty good. i use the hill and continue to pass people, eventually reaching both the summit and my level. we turn, and its flat again. somewhat downhill. the mile marker comes up. i look at my watch. i expect it to read 7:45 or so. i'm off by a minute. i stop at teh water stop, walk for a bit as i down a cup, and catch back up to the three people who just passed me.

the next half mile continues along a mostly flat, somewhat downhill route, till the turnaround. i swing wide, cut it short, but don't really have the gear to slingshot around. i don't have first gear today. i left it on the hills. but second gear takes me past a few people, and i steadily run teh next half to the two mile mark. i expected to be slower. i hadn't slowed much off my first mile.

then we turn, and the uphill is now a downhill. i try to open it up, but yesterday started to catch up to me. i pass two runners, but can't keep it up. they return the favor. we make the turn. i lose track of whether or not it took two minutes or nearly three to get here the first time. we're in the home stretch, and there's probably about a quarter mile to go, but the way teh road turns, i can't see the finish line. its also slightly uphill, and annoyingly so.

there's an orange sign just up ahead, and i think it should mark the third mile. it does not. its just an orange thing on a telephone pole. i had been accelerating slightly, but now, i wasn't really all that sure how much more race there was.

ahead is the finish line. sometimes they look closer than they are. sometimes they look farther. this one looked farther. i try to accelerate what little accelerating i have left. i'm glad there was nobody to out-kick, because i don't think i could've.

i cross the line in 21:21, give or take a second. clock time. my pr is 21:14. depending on how long it took me to cross the line, i might have a new one. i waited around for the results to be posted in the hopes they would show chip time. no luck.

but it did show, and i quote "2 M30-34"

a possible pr and a n age group award! holy crap! it got better at the award ceremony, as one of the top three runners was also in my age group.

so i got first place! and a gold medal and $15 dollar gift certificate to go along with it! sweet!

i don't think i'll be running tomorrow's race. i'll just do some lsd instead.

long slow distance, for the uninitiated.

themetfairy
Jun 26 2010 09:35 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Congrats mm - that is fabulous! WTG on the big win!

(I was going to post that I ran a nice local 5K in 33:41 this morning, but that doesn't seem like such a big deal in comparison....)

metsmarathon
Jun 26 2010 10:04 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

phooey - still good! nice work!

themetfairy
Jun 26 2010 10:24 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Thanks mm :)

My main thing is that my leg is not in pain, and it didn't hurt after Tuesday night's race. It helps give me cahnfidence about being able to handle New York in 19 weeks :)

Fman99
Jun 26 2010 10:42 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Nicely done guys.

themetfairy
Jun 26 2010 10:50 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Thanks Fman :)

Rockin' Doc
Jun 26 2010 12:50 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Marathon, congratulations on a strong run today. Nice to get a first place in your age bracket and a possible personal best after running a pretty grueling race yesterday.

Nice run Fman. Be careful on the trails, I've known people to tear AClLs or break ankles on uneven trails. Definitely more hazardous than pavement, but I'm sure the scenery is generally better.

Keep plugging along Scarlett. You'll do fine when the NYC Marathon rolls around.

I was again at the gym today. Did 40 minutes of weight lifting and then some stretching (I've learned my lesson) and got a quick drink of water. Then I hit the treadmill for a 30 minute run. I did a personal best of 26:13 for 5K and ended up doing 3.54 miles in the 30 minutes. I've been pleasantly surprised how quickly I have been able to ramp up my running after almost a month away from the gym. I plan to continue improving my speed with 30 minute runs until I run a sub 26 minute 5K, then I'll start stretching out the time again.

Fman99
Jun 26 2010 01:56 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Rockin' Doc wrote:
Marathon, congratulations on a strong run today. Nice to get a first place in your age bracket and a possible personal best after running a pretty grueling race yesterday.

Nice run Fman. Be careful on the trails, I've known people to tear AClLs or break ankles on uneven trails. Definitely more hazardous than pavement, but I'm sure the scenery is generally better.

Keep plugging along Scarlett. You'll do fine when the NYC Marathon rolls around.

I was again at the gym today. Did 40 minutes of weight lifting and then some stretching (I've learned my lesson) and got a quick drink of water. Then I hit the treadmill for a 30 minute run. I did a personal best of 26:13 for 5K and ended up doing 3.54 miles in the 30 minutes. I've been pleasantly surprised how quickly I have been able to ramp up my running after almost a month away from the gym. I plan to continue improving my speed with 30 minute runs until I run a sub 26 minute 5K, then I'll start stretching out the time again.


Thanks Doc. I was definitely paying more attention to my footing out there in the woods than I do on the pavement. Nice work on the treadmill -- 26:13 is a good speed!

themetfairy
Jun 26 2010 03:55 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

WTG RD (and thanks for the encouragement)!

themetfairy
Jun 27 2010 08:05 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

At T-minus 19 weeks until the Marathon, I have a training question.

With respect to long runs - is it important to do one weekly, or is it sufficient to do one every week and a half?

metsmarathon
Jun 27 2010 11:06 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

while every training plan i've ever seen has a designated "long run day," i don't know if there's anything magical about running a long run every 7th day as opposed to every 10th day or so. i imagine that it just works better that way because most people are operating on a 7-day schedule, and maintaining a routine can become very important in training up for a race. if your long runs are always on sundays, then it becomes easier to plan ahead. though there's typically no harm in juggling a saturday for a sunday as conditions permit. ditto for if your easy runs are always on wednesdays, or speed work on tuesdays. the routine becomes helpful.

but is it necessary, i don't know.

personally, i'd try to stick with the weekly long run. the big concern would be that with 18 weeks from now to race day, you'd currently have 18 long runs ahead of you. but if you did one every week and a half, you'd only have about twelve, if i can properly do math at 1am. and i don't think that would adequately support a good progression. i strongly believe that the gradual increase in long run mileage, with built-in drop-back weeks, including two 20 mile runs and a proper taper, are vital to having a good experience in the marathon.

it may be possible to go through the same progression, but omitting the drop-back weeks, and thereby spreading the long runs into a week-and-a-half schedule (i think that came across clearly...) but i personally have found the drop back weeks to be heaven-sent in maintaining both a positive mindset and a refreshed body. i think that omitting them may lead to burnout moreso than spreading out the long runs could diminish burnout.

also, while i had said that i don't think there's necessarily any magic to the 7-day schedule, i wonder if spreading it too thin would slow your progression through the mileage buildup. that by the 10th day, you may be starting to lose some of what you built in the last long run.

but its all speculation on my part. i've only ever followed a 7-day plan, and even my off-season running is built around a 7-day schedule framework, fluid and dynamic though it often is. i'll shift around my long runs from sunday to saturday if i need to, or sometimes if its not too long, i'll squeeze it into a friday or monday, but as soon as i'm able, i try to get back on track. sometimes if i know i can't go for a long run one week, but ahve a dropback week the next, i'll swap those two days.

but i've always felt that the most important runs you'll do are the long runs, and its most important to do as many of them as possible. the more you skip, the more you may fall behind, and the more they'll bite you in the last 6+ miles of the marathon.

is there a reason you're looking to spread them out?

themetfairy
Jun 28 2010 07:10 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Thanks mm - your advice and analysis are always appreciated.

I guess the reason I was asking is that I was trying to fit my long run in this week and wasn't happy about the calendar squeezing I'll need to do; it's only going to get harder as the runs get longer, and I was feeling a little overwhelmed at the thought of it.

T-minus 132 days. Then I can take it easy....

metsmarathon
Jun 28 2010 10:28 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

http://rwdaily.runnersworld.com/2010/06 ... mence.html

themetfairy
Jun 28 2010 11:12 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Wait - I have to give up late night pub crawls between now and the Marathon?

Forget it - I'm out!

metsmarathon
Jun 28 2010 11:28 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

nah... just not before a long run.

themetfairy
Jun 28 2010 11:31 AM
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Whew!

=============================

A friend of mine told me that his brother, who runs marathons, half-kiddingly recommends running a marathon with a hangover so that you don't start out too fast.

I won't be following that advice, but I do find it humorous.

themetfairy
Jun 29 2010 07:56 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Fine! I ran 8.2 miles today - the most I've run since the Rutgers Half Marathon back in April. I did my long run for the week.

Now I don't have to deal with it for another week....

metsmarathon
Jun 29 2010 09:19 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

that's the spirit!

themetfairy
Jun 30 2010 08:42 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

I ran 69.2 miles in the month of June.

The mileage goes up from here!

Rockin' Doc
Jun 30 2010 07:09 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

I ran a personal best of 25:45 for 5K after work this evening. I did a smooth 3.60 miles in 30 minutes. I believe I'm pretty close to my peak without extensive work on these shorter runs for speed. I feel like I probably have a 25:30 in me, but at this point I want to concentrate on extending my runs by adding time.

I want to build up to a 10K run in the next few months.

themetfairy
Jun 30 2010 07:13 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Nice work RD - Great job!

metsmarathon
Jun 30 2010 07:53 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

i wanted to get out today and run three 1600m (mile) repeats today, but just kindof ran out of time in the day. instead i ran 3.2 fairly easy miles, bringing me up to 106 miles for the month. i'm a shade under 600 miles for the year (589). however, to meet my (arbitrary) goal of running 1450 miles this year, i've gotta run 861 miles, or an average of 143 miles per month.

naturally, the biggest trick is going to be avoiding injury.

in addition to piling on the mileage, i'm also working on speed, which is really my priority. i've got a full minute i need to peel off of my (official) 5k time, though half of that should come with cooler weather.

i don't start training for my next (as yet unselected) marathon for another year, but in the meantime i've got a lot of hard work to do.

Fman99
Jun 30 2010 09:03 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Rockin' Doc wrote:
I ran a personal best of 25:45 for 5K after work this evening. I did a smooth 3.60 miles in 30 minutes. I believe I'm pretty close to my peak without extensive work on these shorter runs for speed. I feel like I probably have a 25:30 in me, but at this point I want to concentrate on extending my runs by adding time.

I want to build up to a 10K run in the next few months.


Nice work Doc.

I ran a new personal best today 23:57 5k. Picked the flattest, straightest 1.5-1.75 miles of road at my local park to run it on (there and back), plus it was cloudy and cool so I knew it would be a good time for me... the last two runs I've done on the hills at the other side of the lake which tack on a full minute or so to my times.

Looking forward to my 5k on Sunday morning down in Virginia. They are giving out medals to the top 3 finishers in each age group, in 5 year increments, so I am aiming to place in that M35-39 group. Not sure how much of a turnout this run gets as I cannot find any previous years' results posted anywhere, but I'm in top shape for me right now and feeling good.

themetfairy
Jun 30 2010 09:09 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

WTG Fman, and good luck Sunday!

Rockin' Doc
Jul 01 2010 06:05 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Nice time, Fman. Best of luck with your race this weekend.

I like the new avatar.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 01 2010 10:01 PM
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Rare when I run 2 straight nights but this week I've done 3 nights in a row, the same 7-mile route each time, and my times improved each night. Still not fast yet but improving a little.

Rockin' Doc
Jul 02 2010 05:43 AM
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Damn, 7 miles ofr 3 successive days, I hate to think of how sore i would be the this morning. Consistency does appear to be key in improving performance. Keep up the good work.

Fman99
Jul 02 2010 07:28 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Rockin' Doc wrote:
Nice time, Fman. Best of luck with your race this weekend.

I like the new avatar.


Thanks Doc.

Aside from races most of my running is done late in the day. Today I ran in the morning (taking a day off from work) because we're traveling later and I won't have time. Park was shady and uncrowded and I busted out a 23:27. Beat my old best time by a half a minute.

themetfairy
Jul 02 2010 07:38 AM
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Nice work Lunchie and Fman!

metsmarathon
Jul 02 2010 07:40 AM
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i'm starting to hope that i never enter a race alongside fman... he just might beat me one of these days!

i don't think i've ever run at least seven miles for three consecutive days.

i actually can't find any time i've run at least six miles for three consecutive days.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 02 2010 07:58 AM
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I was frustrated at how slow I'd been (see above), I'd been prone to inadvertently skipping up to a week whenever we travel or have a long weekend (and here comes one) and I didn't want to waste the nice weather we've been having. Mostly I'm trying to get over this worry I have every time I leave the house that I'll never finish and am about to torture myself.

Rockin' Doc
Jul 02 2010 09:35 PM
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Fman is becoming a speed merchant at 5K, but I seriously doubt that marathon has anything to fear from the rest of us.

I ran a personal best of 25:19 for 5K tonight after work. Pales beside the times of marathon and Fman, but not too bad for an old, short, fat guy. Time for me to move on now and start stretching it out as I work toward 10K.

I appreciate everyone here posting their running conquests and encouraging others in this thread. I truthfully don't believe I would have started running and been able to continue it without my "cyber training partners". The exploits and encouragement of the other runners in this thread have helped spurred me on the past few months. I have come so far since January 1st and I thank each of your for helpingto make that possible.

Keep running and sharing.

themetfairy
Jul 03 2010 07:54 AM
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It's what we're here for RD :)

And nice work on your PR! You'll be at 10K before you know it!

I really wish they would re-institute the Run to Home Plate. THAT would be a great location for a CPF run!

themetfairy
Jul 03 2010 09:27 AM
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4.1 miles in 48:06. I took advantage of the fact that my GPS watch is currently working and I mapped out a new route for myself :)

I also decided that I'm going to save my favorite music mix for the fall races, so that I don't get tired of the songs between now and then. So I'm going to change up the playlists during my runs. Today's choice - French pop music (a mix of the two CDs I own). It was kind of nice - I can understand enough of the language to get the gist of the songs, and it kept my brain occupied while my legs were doing the hard work.

themetfairy
Jul 04 2010 09:28 AM
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I saw the forecast and wanted no part of doing a long run in the heat and humidity that's expected this week.

So I put in 10 miles today. 2:02:11, including some hilly stretches. I'm pleased with myself.

502 miles for 2010 so far!

metsmarathon
Jul 04 2010 11:47 AM
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today was plenty hot enough, though...

i need to do something about all this noontime running. i mean, on weekdays its one thing - that's when lunch is. but i really should figure out a way to not be running at noon on the weekends, though it is good for my tan.

Fman99
Jul 04 2010 08:05 PM
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Rockin' Doc wrote:
Fman is becoming a speed merchant at 5K, but I seriously doubt that marathon has anything to fear from the rest of us.

I ran a personal best of 25:19 for 5K tonight after work. Pales beside the times of marathon and Fman, but not too bad for an old, short, fat guy. Time for me to move on now and start stretching it out as I work toward 10K.

I appreciate everyone here posting their running conquests and encouraging others in this thread. I truthfully don't believe I would have started running and been able to continue it without my "cyber training partners". The exploits and encouragement of the other runners in this thread have helped spurred me on the past few months. I have come so far since January 1st and I thank each of your for helpingto make that possible.

Keep running and sharing.


Thanks for the kind words, Doc. I share your sentiments -- the camaraderie of having other people out there, huffing and puffing in the summer heat, sharing your experiences with them, it makes it more enjoyable.

Fman99
Jul 04 2010 08:24 PM
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Today was quite the race!

I got up early, got my packet and got my chip all tethered to my shoelaces nice and early. Was ready to go a good 50 or so minutes before the 8 AM start. We were racing in Reston, in the Reston Town Center which is a nice little neighborhood of condos and bars/restaurants. Basically we started in the middle of it, ran a loop around the outside of it and then finished near where we started.

Somehow, due to the increasing heat and the one-way nature of the loop, it seemed as though 90% of the run was uphill. Much of the middle 2 miles or so was also in the direct sun and it was warming up out there by the minute. Good crowd, over 500 names pre-registered and more showing up. They announced it as over 800 runners though ultimately only 675 finish times were posted.

The mile markers were not in the correct locations, as far as I could tell. I broke into a nice sprint out of the box and even though I was running uphill in the sun, I felt like I was setting a decent pace. That first mile marker just kept not showing up, the fuck! Finally I hit what they are calling one mile at 8:02. I think, "That can't be right." And as I think it, someone else says it out loud and another guy goes "that's long." So I assume they've staked out the marker incorrectly, this being the inaugural 5k on this course.

I keep huffing it uphill, around and around the loop. A nice quiet run with 700 people I don't know. No physical problems, a tiny twinge in my right knee but nothing that affects my pace. I hit the second mile marker at 14:50! Now, that's 21 seconds faster than my fastest ever split, and I deduce that once again they've fucked up the mile markers. Ah well, just run your race I tell myself. I hit the water station, one cup to the head/back and I don't break stride.

At some point a kid, maybe 14, asks me what my pace is. "Usually about 7:30-7:40" I pant to him. He gives me a "Really?" and then, of course, dusts me. I can't help but laugh, and I remark to a woman my age how much I love getting whipped by these kids. "I know," she replies, "I've been trailing him the entire race." This is funny to me.

Finally, as I keep winding up the corkscrew, I hit the third mile marker at a total time of 22:30. Now I'm happy, this lines up with how fast I feel like I've ran and what I have left. The last .1 is, of course, a run uphill and around a bend. I keep my pace but don't have enough to sprint the finish... I'm giving it all just to keep the pace. Gun time of 23:49, and chip time (and my watch time) of 23:39. I finished 94th out of 317 men, 21st out of 75 men age 35-39, and 124th overall out of 675 runners. Very happy with my performance... again, I beat my last race time by a substantial margin and made a good showing. The shirts they gave away are very nice, like that cool running mesh type instead of just a cotton tee.

Followed this up with a trip to DC to watch the Mets whip the Nationals, soak up more sun, have beer and burgers and good times all around. A super day.

Next race is in 24 days, in my hometown.

The Second Spitter
Jul 04 2010 08:26 PM
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Mazel tov, Fman!

themetfairy
Jul 04 2010 08:48 PM
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Great job Fman!

metsmarathon
Jul 04 2010 09:41 PM
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nice work, and excellent race report!

Rockin' Doc
Jul 05 2010 08:17 AM
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Nice job and a great time, Fman.

I just got back a little while ago from my first outdoor run in roughly 10 years. I thought I would take it easy since it was my first time away from the treadmill. I plotted out a nice 2.5 mile loop from my house in which I knew where the 1/2 mile, 1.25 mile, and 2 mile landmarks were at. I took off at 8:57 AM with only my cell phone to accompany me. I took out feeling good, but started getting winded far too quickly. When I hit the 1/2 mile mark in just a little over 3 minutes, I realized the error of my ways. I slowed my pace as I entered the bright sun for the next 1/2 mile. The heat and humidity was working on me and I finally had to go to a brisk walk at 1.25 miles out in order to regroup. I gathered myself after 100-150 yards of brisk walking and again took off running. I hit 2 miles in roughly 20 minutes and cruised the final 1/2 mile home to finish right at 25 minutes.

I was quite tired and discouraged with my overall performance, but I learned quite a bit from my intial foray running outdoors. First I missed the treadmill and the air conditioning that comes with it far more than I anticipated. It was 78.6 degrees (in the shade) when I left for my run and it was 80.4 degrees when I arrived back at the house 25 minutes later. The southern humidity was already palpable. Granted, the weather was extremely mild compared to what it will be later in the day, but it was an element I was not accustomed to dealing with during my run. Secondly, I need a better way of monitoring my pace than a cell phone with no second hand. Thirdly, I need to find a practical way to carry a fluid with me for hydration. Generally, my drink is on the treadmill in front of me when I need a drink, but today I went without since I didn't want to carry it with me as I ran. Obviously, I have some issues to address in order to perform better when running outside.

I'm sure I will get things worked out in the future, but I was (am) very disappointed with my initial run outdoors.

themetfairy
Jul 05 2010 08:24 AM
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Heat and humidity make for rough runs. They kicked my ass a couple of weeks ago, big time!

When you're ready to try again, there are a lot of beverage holders on the market. Check out any sporting goods store and try a few on to see which kind you like best.

Fman99
Jul 05 2010 09:12 PM
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Rockin' Doc wrote:
Nice job and a great time, Fman.

I just got back a little while ago from my first outdoor run in roughly 10 years. I thought I would take it easy since it was my first time away from the treadmill. I plotted out a nice 2.5 mile loop from my house in which I knew where the 1/2 mile, 1.25 mile, and 2 mile landmarks were at. I took off at 8:57 AM with only my cell phone to accompany me. I took out feeling good, but started getting winded far too quickly. When I hit the 1/2 mile mark in just a little over 3 minutes, I realized the error of my ways. I slowed my pace as I entered the bright sun for the next 1/2 mile. The heat and humidity was working on me and I finally had to go to a brisk walk at 1.25 miles out in order to regroup. I gathered myself after 100-150 yards of brisk walking and again took off running. I hit 2 miles in roughly 20 minutes and cruised the final 1/2 mile home to finish right at 25 minutes.

I was quite tired and discouraged with my overall performance, but I learned quite a bit from my intial foray running outdoors. First I missed the treadmill and the air conditioning that comes with it far more than I anticipated. It was 78.6 degrees (in the shade) when I left for my run and it was 80.4 degrees when I arrived back at the house 25 minutes later. The southern humidity was already palpable. Granted, the weather was extremely mild compared to what it will be later in the day, but it was an element I was not accustomed to dealing with during my run. Secondly, I need a better way of monitoring my pace than a cell phone with no second hand. Thirdly, I need to find a practical way to carry a fluid with me for hydration. Generally, my drink is on the treadmill in front of me when I need a drink, but today I went without since I didn't want to carry it with me as I ran. Obviously, I have some issues to address in order to perform better when running outside.

I'm sure I will get things worked out in the future, but I was (am) very disappointed with my initial run outdoors.


Thanks Doc. Keep your chin up -- I had an adjustment period when I started running outdoors this spring, after several months of exclusively running on treadmills. It's a whole new ballgame, your times will ultimately improve over the treadmill ones (at least mine did) once you're more comfortable in the setting and/or the seasons change and it cools down.

PS a simple watch with a stopwatch feature is great -- even without GPS, I use mine just to mark the splits, hitting start when I begin running and just looking down at my wrist at the markers. Mine cost less than $25.

metsmarathon
Jul 05 2010 09:15 PM
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nothing torpedoes a good run faster than starting out too fast on a hot, humid day. don't let it discourage you too badly - instead, treat it as a learning opportunity.

get yourself a decent running watch. personally, i love the timex ironman watches. i've had my current one for at least five years, maybe longer. i like the ones with interval timers (meaning, for instance, you can set it to go off after ten minutes, then two minutes, and then repeat that sequence ad infinitum). they run about $45 i think. its been a while since i really looked at the price on them.

the other thing you should do, especially on a hot humid day, is start out slower. this is the thing i do very poorly. (check back a few pages to read my effort in the long branch half marathon... ugh!) but its really helpful and important as you get used to keeping your own pace. you can always speed up if you get to the half-mile mark and you're feeling good, but if you start out too fast, you can't always recover and still have a satisfying run. at home, i have a quarter mile mark that i use to gauge myself, and then check again at the mile.

i think if you were to have taken the first mile easier, the whole run would have gone better, and the water issue might not even have arisen too greatly. i find that i need more regular watering on the treadmill, but that's probably because i run on them in stale, stagnant air in the winter, and use the water fountain breaks as excuses to recover some of my sanity. but yeah, find a local running store and take a look at the water pack options.

i don't use my current one all that often, but i think i like it. it holds the water at an angle, and even has an led light built into it for nightime visibility. though, i've taken the battery pack out to make more room in it since i don't actually run at night. it's basically thiswith a flashing light. one thing i like about it is the ends of the waist strap roll up so they're not dangling and therefore don't get terribly annoying.

also, how old is your cell phone that it doesn't have a stopwatch/timer function? jeez, welcome to the 21st century! (having to carry/check a cell phone for your time may have also served as an unnecessary distraction, too)

most important thing is, you felt like you could do better, and you didnt feel like you were hurt. both are excellent observations to have after your first run outdoors!

Rockin' Doc
Jul 06 2010 11:11 AM
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I appreciate all the advice and feedback. I will run outdoors when the fitness center is unavailable, as it was yesterday, but until it cools down some I plan to stick with the treadmill. My thermometer reads 96.9 (in the shade) right now and it is forecast to be even hotter tomorrow. No way I'm running in that heat and humidity if I don't have to.

I need to learn to pace myself better. I just need something that can keep me informed of my speed and distance like the treadmill does and I should be fine. I guess that's why I am looking at GPS watches, but I probably will opt for something more basic. I will check out what's available at the running stores in the future.

metsmarathon
Jul 06 2010 11:17 AM
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i was going to go for a run today at lunch, but instead we had a pizza party. i don't think i mind skipping today...

Ceetar
Jul 06 2010 11:29 AM
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Rockin' Doc wrote:
I appreciate all the advice and feedback. I will run outdoors when the fitness center is unavailable, as it was yesterday, but until it cools down some I plan to stick with the treadmill. My thermometer reads 96.9 (in the shade) right now and it is forecast to be even hotter tomorrow. No way I'm running in that heat and humidity if I don't have to.

I need to learn to pace myself better. I just need something that can keep me informed of my speed and distance like the treadmill does and I should be fine. I guess that's why I am looking at GPS watches, but I probably will opt for something more basic. I will check out what's available at the running stores in the future.


I agree. I've slacked lately otherwise I'd skip entirely, but inside/treadmill for me. My problem with outside is that I physical have to move, and I lose my pace when I'm tired/lazy. on the treadmill all I have to do is not fall down.

themetfairy
Jul 06 2010 12:15 PM
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I did my 2-mile treadmill incline run today. Even inside, I was struggling a bit; the overall heat and humidity have sapped a lot of my energy reserves. But I got through the two miles, and handled more of the inclines than I was able to a couple of months ago, so I feel good about getting my work in.

I figure that so long as I get in a good workout in this weather, I'm not going to judge myself based on performance.

Fman99
Jul 06 2010 12:53 PM
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I'm on the fence, I do want to run outside either today or tomorrow, or both. There's not going to be any break in the weather. I can run in the shade, with maybe the tiniest of breezes, but I'm not ready to go back to the treadmill or gym just yet.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 06 2010 12:57 PM
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I'm determined to do my 7 tonight, but they say it will still be in the mid-80s then. We will see.

themetfairy
Jul 06 2010 01:01 PM
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I'm supposed to run a 5K on Thursday night. Wimping out may be an option....

metsmarathon
Jul 06 2010 01:15 PM
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i've got a shadeless work "5k" on thursday morning. i'm hoping they don't cancel it on account of the weather. but i'll be out there running it if its on.

i'd go out for a run tonight, too, if i had the time. i hate skipping days, even when there is pizza involved. but i've gotta go grocery shopping, make (or possibly just fetch) dinner, eat dinner, and try to trick minimm into eating some semi-solid food, albeit not necessarily in that order. minimm comes first.

tomorrow, i run. unless an ice cream party comes up.

themetfairy
Jul 06 2010 01:21 PM
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(On that topic, even though it goes against every bit of baby book advice, the first thing my daughter tasted off of a spoon happened to be a bite of vanilla ice cream....

But if you're more traditional/sane/pick your preference, applesauce is a safe fruit to try early)

metsmarathon
Jul 06 2010 01:42 PM
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actually, his grandmother offered him a taste of vanilla ice cream as well. he did not enjoy it. not sure if it was the unexpected cold, or the taste, but he was definitely not a fan, and seemed surprised and offended at what he had just encountered.

we're trying applesauce right now. we thought it would be better than the rice cereal we started with, but same unsatisfactory results. some good pictures, of course, but he's no more accepting of the spoon than when we started.

but, to swing this around to the topic, i did take minimm out for his first run yesterday. i can heartily attest that he is not so mini. a solid 20 lbs, plus 20 lbs of stroller, and my easy 3 miles turned a bit hard. especially on the hills. i'd say he added a good minute to my time, and greatly ramped up the effort.

but the kid seemed to like the stroller. at the very least, he didn't hate it. and by the end of the run, he had just passed out. surely from vicarious exhaustion.

themetfairy
Jul 06 2010 01:50 PM
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Glad to hear that the running stroller worked out well for the two of you :)

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 06 2010 08:53 PM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
I'm determined to do my 7 tonight, but they say it will still be in the mid-80s then. We will see.


Bleh. Got a stitch and slowed to a walk after 2.5 miles. Started up again, rallied a little, but suddenly ran out of gas again and walked the last mile+ home. Altogether, 5.75 miles.

Fman99
Jul 06 2010 08:58 PM
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I ran today. I took it easy intentionally and still was totally gassed. I ran a 26:41 5K, a full 3 minutes slower than my race time Sunday, and I'm OK with that. I plan on doing it again tomorrow.

I think I might be mentally ill to even be out there.

Fman99
Jul 07 2010 08:49 PM
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I skipped the run today. I may do the same tomorrow, it's just too damn hot and I'm planning on running Friday morning anyway.

I shoot for 3-4 runs per week so this would be a three run week, including the race I ran on Sunday. Added complication is that Fwife is in Albany all week for work and I'm flying solo with the Fkids.

themetfairy
Jul 07 2010 08:56 PM
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If ever there was a week to keep the running light, this would be the one.

I'm doing a 5K tomorrow evening. I'll skip tomorrow morning and Friday morning as a result.

The Second Spitter
Jul 07 2010 09:17 PM
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Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jul 07 2010 09:23 PM

Inspired by this thread (and in particular, Bucket's über-human effort) I racked up 38km this week (at ~6:00/km). I'm pretty pleased about it considering I still weigh a tick over 100kg (245lbs) (Yes, I've stacked it on in the last 12 months).

themetfairy
Jul 07 2010 09:18 PM
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Nice work 3D!

The Second Spitter
Jul 07 2010 09:22 PM
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themetfairy wrote:
If ever there was a week to keep the running light, this would be the one.

I'm doing a 5K tomorrow evening. I'll skip tomorrow morning and Friday morning as a result.


Why don't you run indoors?

Thanks for your encouragement.

metsmarathon
Jul 07 2010 09:26 PM
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its hard to find a good, fully enclosed 5 mile route...

i ran at noon today. it was hot, but not quite 100 degrees. i was a little disappointed.

and i need to get to bed. i've got a 5k in the morning.

The Second Spitter
Jul 07 2010 09:36 PM
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metsmarathon wrote:
its hard to find a good, fully enclosed 5 mile route...


There's a pretty good one in Dubai.

But what's wrong with treadmills?

Have you Hot n' Sweaty Nuyawkers seen theses?

metsmarathon wrote:

and i need to get to bed. i've got a 5k in the morning.


Good luck.

metsmarathon
Jul 08 2010 07:24 AM
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oops. the 5k was at 9:00, not 9:30. i guess i'm not running it.

themetfairy
Jul 08 2010 08:01 AM
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marathon - that's frustrating!

3D - I did a lot of training on the treadmill in the icy weather, and I do my incline running on the treadmill. But overall I prefer running outside. Also, it was on the treadmill where I hurt my leg in February, so my confidence level on the treadmill is a little shaky these days. I'll probably get more into the treadmill again during the winter months, but for the next four months I want to play everything as safely as possible.

The Second Spitter
Jul 08 2010 04:39 PM
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metsmarathon wrote:
oops. the 5k was at 9:00, not 9:30. i guess i'm not running it.


Slacker.

themetfairy
Jul 08 2010 06:56 PM
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I ran my 5K tonight in 33:25. I told myself I'd take it easy, and didn't even bring the GPS watch along. But I felt jubilant out there, and just enjoyed the run. I was 16 seconds faster than my race in that park (a slightly different course, but with the same hills involved) a week and a half ago, so I feel good about my performance.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 08 2010 09:57 PM
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Got my run in tonight in the extreme humidity. I was on the Williamsburg bridge when a big blocky young Eastern European guy wearing no shirt and tight yellow shorts passed me. I thought some of you would get a kick out of the fact he had a tattoo on his back reading LATVIA and all I could think of was CF doing all his homeland chicks. Followed him at a considerable distance all the way down to Manhattan and back over to Brooklyn, but he slowed on the climb and I caught and passed him on the eastbound downhill, and left him behind.

It was satisfying but left me without much for the final mile. Also on the bridge: I spit just as a chick on a bike was passing me on the left and I wound up nailing her on the ankle. Sorry, Babe.

The Second Spitter
Jul 08 2010 11:51 PM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:

It was satisfying but left me without much for the final mile. Also on the bridge: I spit just as a chick on a bike was passing me on the left and I wound up nailing her on the ankle. Sorry, Babe.


I spat on a guy once, flush in the face during a criterium bike race - to which I got one right back. On that occasion he was the Second Spitter.

Fman99
Jul 09 2010 04:49 AM
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I'm running this morning. Hopefully it's a bit more tolerable outside than it has been.

Fman99
Jul 09 2010 06:58 AM
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Fman99 wrote:
I'm running this morning. Hopefully it's a bit more tolerable outside than it has been.


Started my run at 7:45 and it was already up to 80 degrees out. I managed to swing a 24:30, good enough for me for today.

metsmarathon
Jul 09 2010 07:00 AM
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y'all are making me feel like such a slacker for not running yesterday...

themetfairy
Jul 09 2010 07:00 AM
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Lunchie - I don't think that CF nailed all of the women in Latvia; I think he nailed EVERYONE! LOL on the tattoo (and nice work passing him ).

I went out to the porch this morning and noticed how the humidity had spiked since yesterday evening. I would not have had as good a race yesterday in this kind of soup; I caught a break.

mm - yes, you will have to work harder to keep up with the rest of us ;)

themetfairy
Jul 10 2010 08:50 AM
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I can't run tomorrow, so I decided to get a long run in today. This is my first step back week, so I "only" put in 8 miles :)

Between the souplike humidity and the ominous clouds on the radar map, I decided to make this a treadmill run. I hadn't done a long treadmill run since hurting my leg in February, so it was something of a big psychological step to do it, but all in all it went well.

I hate that on the treadmill I will keep a pace solely because of the numbers; I enjoy running outside at my own pace better. But it's good to mix things up a bit, and I feel I got solid work in.

8 miles in 1:33:14. Thank goodness for the VH1 Top 20 Countdown - that kept my mind occupied enough to get me through the long treadmill run.

The leg is a little sore right now, but only ibuprofen level sore. All in all, I feel really good about my work today :)

metsmarathon
Jul 10 2010 12:28 PM
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depending on when minimm wakes up from his nap, i'm gonna take him out for a 5 mile run.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 11 2010 09:49 PM
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Found a $10 bill on tonite's run. Totally worth it!

The Second Spitter
Jul 12 2010 05:00 AM
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Inspired by another awesome Johan start, I did 11km run in the morning. In the afternoon I did a weights session at the gym. At night I did 30km in a spin class. Working from home rulez!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 12 2010 07:37 AM
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Can I work for you?

themetfairy
Jul 12 2010 08:25 AM
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I ran a slow 3.2 miles this morning. But it was one of those mornings when it was hard getting out the door, so I'm happy to have gotten my work in.

Fman99
Jul 12 2010 08:24 PM
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I ran an uninspired 24:54 today after work. After a rotten night's sleep last night, I'm going to chalk it up to post-long-weekend-malaise and general weariness. Perhaps tomorrow I shall be a bit faster.

Next race is Wednesday, July 28th, unless I can sneak one in either of the next two weekend. This would most likely involve me ducking out and driving to Oswego or Cortland, adding an extra 60-90 minutes of travel time to and from my house. Not real likely.

Ceetar
Jul 13 2010 07:31 AM
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It's disturbing how much 3 weeks of little exercise puts you off. gained close to 3-4lbs, and seemingly lost any endurance I'd built up. Only through sheer willpower was I able to get to 2.6 miles in the 30 minutes.

And as seems to happen way to often when I run, I got a rather nasty headache late last night that's still bugging me today, and felt like my body was 105degrees. The answer to that? coffee..

themetfairy
Jul 13 2010 07:35 AM
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The good news is that the endurance does come back. Good work in getting back on the horse!

I sometimes get a headache after running. Usually ibuprofen does the trick for me, but I'm always a fan of coffee.

Ceetar
Jul 13 2010 07:56 AM
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themetfairy wrote:
The good news is that the endurance does come back. Good work in getting back on the horse!

I sometimes get a headache after running. Usually ibuprofen does the trick for me, but I'm always a fan of coffee.


I just went to bed, but it was still there this morning so I took some advil. and french press coffee.

I have been known to get motion style headaches, so no surprise that the pounding would do it. It's not good for the motivation though, suspecting i'm going to go home and be miserable all night. (the back back back back back may not have helped)

I initially thought dehydration was a factor. (I did some calculations and I lose almost 2 pints of water at the gym) but I thought I did have plenty of water afterwards.

themetfairy
Jul 13 2010 08:02 AM
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Try hydrating during the runs.

Also, if you're not using a sports drink, try an electrolytes pill or item (gel, jellybean, etc.) and see if that helps.

themetfairy
Jul 13 2010 08:57 AM
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themetfairy wrote:
I did my 2-mile treadmill incline run today. Even inside, I was struggling a bit; the overall heat and humidity have sapped a lot of my energy reserves. But I got through the two miles, and handled more of the inclines than I was able to a couple of months ago, so I feel good about getting my work in.

I figure that so long as I get in a good workout in this weather, I'm not going to judge myself based on performance.


This week's treadmill incline run was much better. I felt strong throughout, and I was able to keep increasing the incline, even during the final quarter mile. I got up to an incline of 6.5, and only decreased my speed from 5.2 to 5.0 at the very end.

I'm feeling much better about my incline work than I did a week ago :)

Ceetar
Jul 13 2010 09:02 AM
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themetfairy wrote:
themetfairy wrote:
I did my 2-mile treadmill incline run today. Even inside, I was struggling a bit; the overall heat and humidity have sapped a lot of my energy reserves. But I got through the two miles, and handled more of the inclines than I was able to a couple of months ago, so I feel good about getting my work in.

I figure that so long as I get in a good workout in this weather, I'm not going to judge myself based on performance.


This week's treadmill incline run was much better. I felt strong throughout, and I was able to keep increasing the incline, even during the final quarter mile. I got up to an incline of 6.5, and only decreased my speed from 5.2 to 5.0 at the very end.

I'm feeling much better about my incline work than I did a week ago :)


Nice. I usually run at an incline of 1.2 or so. I can't imagine being comfortable during an incline that high.

metsmarathon
Jul 13 2010 09:24 AM
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Ceetar wrote:
It's disturbing how much 3 weeks of little exercise puts you off. gained close to 3-4lbs, and seemingly lost any endurance I'd built up. Only through sheer willpower was I able to get to 2.6 miles in the 30 minutes.

And as seems to happen way to often when I run, I got a rather nasty headache late last night that's still bugging me today, and felt like my body was 105degrees. The answer to that? coffee..


man... i gain 3-4 lbs in 3 weeks even with all my running...

themetfairy
Jul 13 2010 12:31 PM
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Ceetar wrote:
I did my 2-mile treadmill incline run today. Even inside, I was struggling a bit; the overall heat and humidity have sapped a lot of my energy reserves. But I got through the two miles, and handled more of the inclines than I was able to a couple of months ago, so I feel good about getting my work in.

I figure that so long as I get in a good workout in this weather, I'm not going to judge myself based on performance.


This week's treadmill incline run was much better. I felt strong throughout, and I was able to keep increasing the incline, even during the final quarter mile. I got up to an incline of 6.5, and only decreased my speed from 5.2 to 5.0 at the very end.

I'm feeling much better about my incline work than I did a week ago :)


Nice. I usually run at an incline of 1.2 or so. I can't imagine being comfortable during an incline that high.


Thanks Ceetar :)

Comfortable is a different story ;) I've promised myself that, as G-d is my witness, I'll never run inclines again after the Marathon. But in order to handle the Central Park hills in November, I need to do the treadmill work.

Ceetar
Jul 13 2010 12:33 PM
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metsmarathon wrote:
Ceetar wrote:
It's disturbing how much 3 weeks of little exercise puts you off. gained close to 3-4lbs, and seemingly lost any endurance I'd built up. Only through sheer willpower was I able to get to 2.6 miles in the 30 minutes.

And as seems to happen way to often when I run, I got a rather nasty headache late last night that's still bugging me today, and felt like my body was 105degrees. The answer to that? coffee..


man... i gain 3-4 lbs in 3 weeks even with all my running...


I'm sure a good portion of that weight was beer/wine/irishcarbomb milkshakes.

metsmarathon
Jul 13 2010 01:48 PM
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themetfairy wrote:
themetfairy wrote:
themetfairy wrote:
I did my 2-mile treadmill incline run today. Even inside, I was struggling a bit; the overall heat and humidity have sapped a lot of my energy reserves. But I got through the two miles, and handled more of the inclines than I was able to a couple of months ago, so I feel good about getting my work in.

I figure that so long as I get in a good workout in this weather, I'm not going to judge myself based on performance.


This week's treadmill incline run was much better. I felt strong throughout, and I was able to keep increasing the incline, even during the final quarter mile. I got up to an incline of 6.5, and only decreased my speed from 5.2 to 5.0 at the very end.

I'm feeling much better about my incline work than I did a week ago :)


Nice. I usually run at an incline of 1.2 or so. I can't imagine being comfortable during an incline that high.


Thanks Ceetar :)

Comfortable is a different story ;) I've promised myself that, as G-d is my witness, I'll never run inclines again after the Marathon. But in order to handle the Central Park hills in November, I need to do the treadmill work.


when i treadmill, i typically only do it at 0.5 incline. if i ever find myself on a treadmill again, i'm gonna have to do some of these incline thingies. they sound like fun.

The Second Spitter
Jul 13 2010 05:49 PM
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On the subject of inclines, this is the cross-section of my Aug 8 race;




In the immortal words of Clubber Lang: "My prediction? Pain!"

Any advice mm?

metsmarathon
Jul 14 2010 08:58 AM
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what's this metric shit? :p

i'm a little thrown off by the english-to-metric conversions that i'm going to have to do here, so forgive me... that is not an easy course. not at all.

as far as course commentary goes, its about 40% more hills than my usual long run, and somewhat analagous to my favorite race, if that race's hills were twice as tall and somewhat rearranged.

clearly the two most important things you'll have to do is remember not to charge out of the gate and leave your whole race on the first mile. that's an aggressive looking 130' climb right out of the gate, with a steep downhill immediately thereafter. i'd look to conserve my energy going down that hill as much as possible. don't throw on the brakes, but don't charge down it either. let the hill take you, but maintain control, i guess is how i'd say it. the next two miles look nicely rolling. then there's that big ugly spikey thing. nearly 300' of climb over the course of 2 miles. my regular long run takes my up a little less than that over the same space of time.

when i'm faced with a big hill, i generally like to bury my head, and keep on putting one foot in front of the other. i don't really like to look too far up the hill, because i'm going to see a flat up ahead, and once i reach it im going to naturally let up a little, which would then make it tougher to get going when it starts to go back up. or worse, i'm going to see something ugly and get discouraged. so i just like to keep on plugging away. maintain a consistent level of effort on the big climbs, not a consistent stride or pace, and you'll pull yourself up it a lot easier than if you try to keep up the same speed, or turnover.

if it gets really bad, you can certainly walk, and if i do allow myself ot walk, i do so briskly and with long strides so as not to fool my body into thinking the race is over. keep pulling yourself up the hill. it also makes walking up the hill easier and faster. i mean, if you're going to walk, you might as well get up the hill as quickly as possible when you do!

as the hill starts to flatten out at the top, remember to keep up your level of effort, and you can use the next half mile to get your momentum back, and carry a bit of it into the last hill. get up and over that one knowing you have a nice solid two miles of downhill afterward. let the hill take you down to the finish. put the brakes on a little as it looks to get really steep in the middle, but otherwise, allow gravity to do its job. cruise up and over that little bitty hill just at the 14th kilometer, and as you hit the finish at mile 9, watch your step. there appears to be a 20' cliff. look for a ladder, or stairs. maybe a rope.

and good luck!

themetfairy
Jul 14 2010 11:34 AM
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I didn't want to deal with the humidity, so I put in 12 miles on the treadmill this morning.

Treadmill advantages - climate control, the tv/dvr, I can keep a series of water bottles and towels lined up and ready to go.

Treadmill disadvantages - I have to stop every 99 minutes or else the thing will stop on its own; it's not nearly as nice as being outside.

Ceetar
Jul 14 2010 01:00 PM
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themetfairy wrote:
I didn't want to deal with the humidity, so I put in 12 miles on the treadmill this morning.

Treadmill advantages - climate control, the tv/dvr, I can keep a series of water bottles and towels lined up and ready to go.

Treadmill disadvantages - I have to stop every 99 minutes or else the thing will stop on its own; it's not nearly as nice as being outside.


I'd do so much better if I had a tv/dvr for the treadmill and didn't have to go to the gym. the 30 minute time limit thing too. The gym only has ESPN (PTI while I'm there. not a fan of that show at all), CNN (Cafferty file or something. reading the closed captioning just makes me angry. idiots.) and VH1. None are overly interesting. I'm not sure why I haven't bought a blue tooth headset for my iTouch yet though. i could put whatever I want (if I convert it firsT) on there.

It's pouring today anyway. I'm hoping that the atrophy I encountered Monday will be gone by today, plus I just had a venti starbucks coffee to help.

12 miles is out of my range though.

themetfairy
Jul 14 2010 01:09 PM
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I LOVE Vh1 on the treadmill. At least in the morning, when they play videos. And Vh1 Classic - I'll flip between the two.

I started too late this morning, so I got to 11:00 and both Vh1s were onto their other programming, so my DVR'd Crossroads episode with John Mayer and Keith Urban got me the rest of the way through the run.

When I run my long runs outside, I bring along my iPod. That has helped me tremendously with battling the mental fatigue factor.

A year ago, 12 miles would have been totally out of my range also. This has been quite a year.

Starbucks should help you get through your run Ceetar :)

metsmarathon
Jul 14 2010 01:32 PM
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y'all crazy people not running in the rain...

themetfairy
Jul 14 2010 01:37 PM
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I can deal with the rain per se. But two and a half hours in the humidity just didn't appeal to me. I'd rather run slowly on the treadmill with my crappy tv shows than deal with that heavy air.

metsmarathon
Jul 14 2010 02:46 PM
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yeah, i know. long runs in the rain suck. hard runs in the rain are awse.

themetfairy
Jul 14 2010 03:04 PM
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Running in the rain can be nice. Raining in heavy humidity, though, suxx.

The Second Spitter
Jul 14 2010 07:46 PM
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metsmarathon wrote:
what's this metric shit? :p

i'm a little thrown off by the english-to-metric conversions that i'm going to have to do here, so forgive me... that is not an easy course. not at all.

and good luck!


You mean "American-to-metric", right? The course is ~9mi and the big incline, affectionately known as "Heartbreak Hill" goes for about 1.4mi.

Thanks for all the advice, man. Much appreciated.

One final question: I'm thinking about wearing long compression pants during the race, because I think they'll provide my knees added support during the climbs (also bearing in mind that the race will begin at 8am on a mid-winter's morning). Do you think this a good idea?

Ceetar
Jul 14 2010 07:48 PM
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metsmarathon wrote:
y'all crazy people not running in the rain...


I guess as long as you're running somewhere that has decent drainage so you're not slipping in puddles..

Rain might keep me cooler, I get soaked anyway even when it's dry, so what's the difference? (Besides the risk of the iPod getting damaged or something)

metsmarathon
Jul 14 2010 08:19 PM
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The Second Spitter wrote:
what's this metric shit? :p

i'm a little thrown off by the english-to-metric conversions that i'm going to have to do here, so forgive me... that is not an easy course. not at all.

and good luck!


You mean "American-to-metric", right? The course is ~9mi and the big incline, affectionately known as "Heartbreak Hill" goes for about 1.4mi.

Thanks for all the advice, man. Much appreciated.

One final question: I'm thinking about wearing long compression pants during the race, because I think they'll provide my knees added support during the climbs (also bearing in mind that the race will begin at 8am on a mid-winter's morning). Do you think this a good idea?


i was trying to do all the distance conversions in my head. for some reason i have trouble with multiples of 0.62...

yup. i've got a pair of them that i have stashed for long cold runs. the one concern is that you've worn them before in similar temperatures. they'll heat you up, and you don't want to overheat. about the last thing i cover is my legs. but if you're fairly sure you won't be overheating, then they're great for the task, and i heartily recommend them.

are they the CWX tights? i don't know for certain if those are an improvement over regular tights, but they sure seem like it.

The Second Spitter
Jul 14 2010 10:04 PM
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metsmarathon wrote:


are they the CWX tights? i don't know for certain if those are an improvement over regular tights, but they sure seem like it.


No, they're Under Armour Cold Gear. (I did a lot of work for UA and they were kind enough to donate some great stuff) I think I'll wear them on my trial run and see how it goes.

metsmarathon
Jul 15 2010 08:10 AM
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calling any runners![/bigpurple]

um, now that i have your attention...

so this race that i'm doing - the river to sea relay, on july 31 - the team i'm a part of just had a last minute cancellation, and has a spot on the roster that we need to fill asap. like, today or tomorrow. the basics of the run are below, with some more discussion back a few pages on the 21st of june or thereabouts.

it is an all-day commitment ,with the race starting as early as 6:30am, and lasting until about 9 pm, and you'll be stuck in a van with three other people when you're not actually running. also, its a $79 entry fee, per person.

i have no idea what the breakout of the segments will be per runner, but i'm pretty sure the dropout was one of our weakest runners. i'd expect that if you were to join the team, you'd run no more than two 5 mile legs, and perhaps as little as a 4 miler and a 2.5 miler, but no promises. as a team, we need to maintain a pace that's faster than 9 minute miles, but i think we've got some headspace on that with a few good runners already aboard.

if you're interested, let me know, either here, or via pm. any questions, please ask.


i wrote:
so far in my illustrious running career, i've run around the world, i've chased an airplane, i've run underwater, and i've gone to disneyland. i've just now committed to running across the great state of new jersey!

at the end of july, i'll be taking part in the 15th annual river to sea relay, in which a team of 7 runners cuts across the middle of new jersey, from milford to manasquan, covering a total of 92 miles. the course is broken down into 14 legs of varying length and difficulty, from as little as 2.5 miles all the way up to 9.25 miles. it averages out to about 13 miles per person, but i think i'm the second best runner on my team, so i'm expecting to run more than that. i'm expecting to run two legs of approximately 8 miles each, separated by about 5 hours of riding in a van. not quite sure how the break is going to affect me.

most of the course is either flat or slightly rolling. except for "the beast" that's an 8 mile leg that starts along the delaware river in lambertville, and then climbs about 400' in the next two miles, before finally levelling off with a slight downhill for the last 6 miles. i'm happy to say that i am not planning on running that leg. its not that i woudn't happily take on the challenge, but another runner has already staked his claim to it. and i'm not about to fight over four hundred feet of incline.

themetfairy
Jul 15 2010 08:13 AM
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There's no way I'm fast enough to do this, as tempting as it is.

Let me know when you know which legs you have. Hopefully I'll be able to say hi to you as you zoom by!

Fman99
Jul 15 2010 10:07 AM
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metsmarathon wrote:
calling any runners![/bigpurple]

um, now that i have your attention...

so this race that i'm doing - the river to sea relay, on july 31 - the team i'm a part of just had a last minute cancellation, and has a spot on the roster that we need to fill asap. like, today or tomorrow. the basics of the run are below, with some more discussion back a few pages on the 21st of june or thereabouts.

it is an all-day commitment ,with the race starting as early as 6:30am, and lasting until about 9 pm, and you'll be stuck in a van with three other people when you're not actually running. also, its a $79 entry fee, per person.

i have no idea what the breakout of the segments will be per runner, but i'm pretty sure the dropout was one of our weakest runners. i'd expect that if you were to join the team, you'd run no more than two 5 mile legs, and perhaps as little as a 4 miler and a 2.5 miler, but no promises. as a team, we need to maintain a pace that's faster than 9 minute miles, but i think we've got some headspace on that with a few good runners already aboard.

if you're interested, let me know, either here, or via pm. any questions, please ask.


i wrote:
so far in my illustrious running career, i've run around the world, i've chased an airplane, i've run underwater, and i've gone to disneyland. i've just now committed to running across the great state of new jersey!

at the end of july, i'll be taking part in the 15th annual river to sea relay, in which a team of 7 runners cuts across the middle of new jersey, from milford to manasquan, covering a total of 92 miles. the course is broken down into 14 legs of varying length and difficulty, from as little as 2.5 miles all the way up to 9.25 miles. it averages out to about 13 miles per person, but i think i'm the second best runner on my team, so i'm expecting to run more than that. i'm expecting to run two legs of approximately 8 miles each, separated by about 5 hours of riding in a van. not quite sure how the break is going to affect me.

most of the course is either flat or slightly rolling. except for "the beast" that's an 8 mile leg that starts along the delaware river in lambertville, and then climbs about 400' in the next two miles, before finally levelling off with a slight downhill for the last 6 miles. i'm happy to say that i am not planning on running that leg. its not that i woudn't happily take on the challenge, but another runner has already staked his claim to it. and i'm not about to fight over four hundred feet of incline.


Sorry pal. I can run eight minute miles for a 5k, but I don't think I could do it at twice the distance or more, (even at 6-7 total, which is twice what I do on a normal day), and of course you're a bit too far from home for me.

metsmarathon
Jul 15 2010 11:04 AM
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well, to be fair, we could probably get by with someone running 10 minute miles in two of the shorter legs. but yeah, its a bit of a haul from up there in ny.

Rockin' Doc
Jul 15 2010 07:32 PM
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I would be your guy if I weren't 500 miles away. I generally run at a 8:20-8:45 pace when I do my longer runs (4-6 miles), but of course, that is on a threadmill.

Best of luck finding a runner. Sounds like an interesting and fun concept.

JCL is the best option I can think of amongst the CPF runners. He can handle the distance, he's accustomed to running outdoors, and he is within the proximity to make it possible. Of course, his schedule may not allow him to take part.

themetfairy
Jul 17 2010 09:20 AM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 17 2010 11:43 AM

I ran a very local 5K this morning. It was a sweet and sincere race. I came in 49th out of 55 participants, which doesn't bother me considering the percentage of runners who were affiliated with the high school track team. 33:28; it's 3 seconds off from my fastest 5K of the year, although far from a personal best. But considering the heat and humidity this morning, and the lack of sleep after last night's DMB concert, I'm please with my time.

I'll do it all over again tomorrow - both the late night and the early 5K.

Rockin' Doc
Jul 17 2010 10:28 AM
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I just got back from a great workout. I increased the weight by 10 pounds on almost all of my lifting exercises and then hit the treadmill feeling quite well. I decided to go out fast the opening 5 minutes and see how I felt then. I felt strong so I decided to push it a little. I ended up doing a 25:35 for 5K which wasn't a personal best, but reasonably close. I ended up doing 4.22 miles in 35 minutes and feel pretty good right now considering I did a 35 minute run yesterday evening. If all goes well, I will increase my running time to 40 minutes in a week or so.

themetfairy
Jul 17 2010 10:45 AM
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Excellent progress RD!

themetfairy
Jul 18 2010 09:27 AM
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The last two nights I have been at Citi Field for Dave Matthews Band concerts, getting home 1:00 am-ish. The last two mornings I woke up early to run 5K races in the heat and humidity.

I dragged myself out of the house this morning, reminding myself not to expect much in the way or performance. I got to the race, got my bib and shirt (how could they run out of small shirts? Didn't they know how many women pre-registered and requested smalls?), and met up with my Racey Women friends.

It was hot. Very hot. And humid. Even though yesterday's race started at 9:30 and this one started at 9:00, it felt worse out there today.

I know the course. I know there's a hill at the midway point and an extended, bitchy hill in the third mile. And I was feeling the heat.

And yet, I ran ok. I finished in 33:26. Not the 30:29 of last year, which was my personal best. But I was two seconds faster than yesterday's time, and consistent with my 5K's of this summer (they have all been between 33:23 and 33:48, give or take a few seconds). In light of the circumstances, I'm very happy with my performance this morning.

And happier still that there was pizza and Rita's Water Ices after the race. There are no calories as sweet as those of earned carbs

Fman99
Jul 18 2010 10:38 AM
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themetfairy wrote:
The last two nights I have been at Citi Field for Dave Matthews Band concerts, getting home 1:00 am-ish. The last two mornings I woke up early to run 5K races in the heat and humidity.

I dragged myself out of the house this morning, reminding myself not to expect much in the way or performance. I got to the race, got my bib and shirt (how could they run out of small shirts? Didn't they know how many women pre-registered and requested smalls?), and met up with my Racey Women friends.

It was hot. Very hot. And humid. Even though yesterday's race started at 9:30 and this one started at 9:00, it felt worse out there today.

I know the course. I know there's a hill at the midway point and an extended, bitchy hill in the third mile. And I was feeling the heat.

And yet, I ran ok. I finished in 33:26. Not the 30:29 of last year, which was my personal best. But I was two seconds faster than yesterday's time, and consistent with my 5K's of this summer (they have all been between 33:23 and 33:48, give or take a few seconds). In light of the circumstances, I'm very happy with my performance this morning.

And happier still that there was pizza and Rita's Water Ices after the race. There are no calories as sweet as those of earned carbs


Nice work!

All of my recent runs have been in the 24:45-25:00 range. I've run faster but I seem to always be out there in the heat of late afternoon. My next race is a 6:20 start, on the same roads where I run all of the time, so it'll be interesting to see what kind of time I can make in a race setting.

themetfairy
Jul 18 2010 10:56 AM
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Thanks Fman, and good luck on the evening race!

metsmarathon
Jul 20 2010 02:56 PM
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i'm probably crazy to think this was fun...

today, i ran a total of 7 miles. the first 1.6 miles or so climbed fairly steadily about 290' and i turned around and came back down the hill. ran about a half mile to my next hill, which climbed about 200' in 3/4 of a mile. i ran about a half mile or so along the top of a ridge that was slightly downhill, turned around so that half mile was slightly uphill, went down my steep little hill, and ran back to the base of the first hill, to my office. 7.07 miles total, with about 500' of overall climb. i was hoping to have run it a little faster, but i don;t think i was really pushing myself. especially between the hills - i was pretty much coasting in the middle. but the whole workout took me 56 minutes flat, for a pace just under 8 minutes per mile.

tomorrow i probably won;t get any running in as we're going out for lunch, but on thursday, i plan to go up that first hill twice.

we found a seventh runner for our team for the river to sea relay. but it looks like hte guy who was supposed to run "the beast" is backing off from that segment due to a lack of specific training. the beast starts in lambertville along the delaware river, at an elevation of about 90' above sea level. in the first mile, it climbs 200' and by the second mile, has added another 100' and finally tops out after the third mile with 30' more of climbing. the last 5 miles drop somewhat steadily about 180'.

we haven't yet figured out our leg assignments, but i'm training like i will have to do this one. and i'd like to run it at a 7:15 -7:30 pace. the rest of the race is basically either flat or somewhat downhill. so if i don't have to do it, i'll be thrilled! my preference is to run the leg that lets metfairy cheer me on, but it might be better for the team if i run this one. we'll see...

themetfairy
Jul 20 2010 03:27 PM
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You're amazing mm - as always, I'm in awe!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 20 2010 06:25 PM
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I figured out last night my running kicks have 540.7 miles on them, getting time for a new pair I think.

The Second Spitter
Jul 20 2010 06:57 PM
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Highly recommend Nike Equalon 4

-- you can get them for 112USD online.

themetfairy
Jul 21 2010 08:32 AM
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I was aiming for 20 miles on the treadmill today, but ran out of gas a little after 7. I'm consoling myself with the fact that the basement isn't air conditioned, and I'm sure that played a part in my wimpitude.

metsmarathon
Jul 21 2010 08:43 AM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
I figured out last night my running kicks have 540.7 miles on them, getting time for a new pair I think.


jeez - if i put 540 miles on my shoes, they'd be little more than spats with heel cushioning.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 21 2010 08:55 AM
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Well, now they have 547. The sole at the toes is getting badly worn and the tread overall has lost some depth, but overall these (Asics 2140) have been very durable despite my fatass plodding abuse. The tops and sides still look new.

I could be tempted to try another brand this time if only because I haven't since starting running again (2120s and now 2140s) and I've kinda been unhappy with my speed lately (not that I believe a new shoe will change that). I'm not sure I need "Motion control" however.

What I really need is a pain free left foot.

Fman99
Jul 21 2010 07:40 PM
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Felt a definite twinge behind my right knee yesterday. Today it ached and I gimped around work. I wasn't planning on running again until Friday afternoon; hopefully by then it's feeling better.

Ran without music this week as a change of pace. Used my watch and the mile markers at the park to keep track of my times.

themetfairy
Jul 21 2010 07:46 PM
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Hopefully the twinge will work itself out quickly!

The Second Spitter
Jul 21 2010 08:37 PM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Well, now they have 547. The sole at the toes is getting badly worn and the tread overall has lost some depth, but overall these (Asics 2140) have been very durable despite my fatass plodding abuse. The tops and sides still look new.

I could be tempted to try another brand this time if only because I haven't since starting running again (2120s and now 2140s) and I've kinda been unhappy with my speed lately (not that I believe a new shoe will change that). I'm not sure I need "Motion control" however.

What I really need is a pain free left foot.


Take as many pairs of shoes as you can for a test run before you buy your next pair.

themetfairy
Jul 22 2010 08:38 AM
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I ran 4.1 miles in 49 minutes in the soup out there.

It doesn't make up for yesterday's run that I cut short. But at least I feel like less of a wimp today.

Ceetar
Jul 22 2010 08:44 AM
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themetfairy wrote:
I ran 4.1 miles in 49 minutes in the soup out there.

It doesn't make up for yesterday's run that I cut short. But at least I feel like less of a wimp today.


nice job. I did 3 miles in 34.27 yesterday on the treadmill. Usually i cooldown after I hit the 30 minute mark (treadmill limits and all) but i found one that didn't have the programmed forced cooldown at 30 and pushed it to that 11:30 pace. I cna get the first mile decently at 9:30, but can never keep it up. Going to try for a second straight day of actual exercise today, something i haven't done in a while.

I don't know if this is related to running, but their's a spot on my left foot that hurts when I walk, almost like a bruise. doesn't seem to hurt me running, and I noticed it even when i haven't run for a week. wonder what that is.

themetfairy
Jul 22 2010 08:50 AM
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Thanks Ceetar, and nice work!

I don't know what's up with your foot, but I hope it works itself out soon!

A few days ago I was telling D-Dad that sometimes my leg hurts when I walk, but it feels fine when I run. Then we were watching the broadcast of Beltran's first game back, and Gary Cohen said how Beltran reported his leg hurts when he walks but not when he runs. We started cracking up about my similarity score to our hobbled centerfielder

Fman99
Jul 22 2010 08:53 AM
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Ceetar wrote:
I ran 4.1 miles in 49 minutes in the soup out there.

It doesn't make up for yesterday's run that I cut short. But at least I feel like less of a wimp today.


nice job. I did 3 miles in 34.27 yesterday on the treadmill. Usually i cooldown after I hit the 30 minute mark (treadmill limits and all) but i found one that didn't have the programmed forced cooldown at 30 and pushed it to that 11:30 pace. I cna get the first mile decently at 9:30, but can never keep it up. Going to try for a second straight day of actual exercise today, something i haven't done in a while.

I don't know if this is related to running, but their's a spot on my left foot that hurts when I walk, almost like a bruise. doesn't seem to hurt me running, and I noticed it even when i haven't run for a week. wonder what that is.


I do the same thing, I usually get my first mile in about 7:30, give or take 5-10 seconds, but then slow down to 8:00-8:10 for subsequent miles. I blame it on the heat though.

The Second Spitter
Jul 22 2010 09:05 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 22 2010 09:11 AM


I don't know if this is related to running, but their's a spot on my left foot that hurts when I walk, almost like a bruise. doesn't seem to hurt me running, and I noticed it even when i haven't run for a week. wonder what that is.


Yes, it's related to running. I get that and it's usually because I've laced too tightly.

However, because yours seems persistant it could be a bone spur, which is an enlarged or inflamed bone as a result of repetitive pressure. You can't feel it when you're running because the adrenalin/dopamine release masks the pain.

If it's a bone spur, you need to try to take pressure off the bone. Cut a piece of foam rubber (about 1/4" thick) to make a doughnut-shaped pad that fits over the bone spur. Either put it on before running or glue it to the tongue of your running shoe.

If you feel physical discomfort when you press on the bone (more so, than when you're walking), it's probably a stress fracture. The remedy is stop running, see a doctor or buy some HGH from Kirk Radomski.

On edit: I am assuming the pain is on the top side of your foot.

The Second Spitter
Jul 22 2010 09:08 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

themetfairy wrote:
I ran 4.1 miles in 49 minutes in the soup out there.


Speaking of soup, did you try lentils as a training food?

Ceetar
Jul 22 2010 09:12 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux


I don't know if this is related to running, but their's a spot on my left foot that hurts when I walk, almost like a bruise. doesn't seem to hurt me running, and I noticed it even when i haven't run for a week. wonder what that is.


Yes, it's related to running. I get that and it's usually because I've laced too tightly.

However, because yours seems persistant it could be a bone spur, which is an enlarged or inflamed bone as a result of repetitive pressure. You can't feel it when you're running because the adrenalin/dopamine release masks the inflammation.

If it's a bone spur, you need to try to take pressure off the bone. Cut a piece of foam rubber (about 1/4" thick) to make a doughnut-shaped pad that fits over the bone spur. Either put it on before running or glue it to the tongue of your running shoe.

If you feel physical discomfort when you press on the bone (more so, than when you're walking), it's probably a stress fracture. The remedy is stop running, see a doctor or buy some HGH from Kirk Radomski.

On edit: I am assuming the pain is on the top side of your foot.


no, the bottom. It's the (ball?) of my left foot, the thick part just below the big toe on the right side. I think bad posture could be part of it. I don't notice it all the time. Mostly at work actually.

The Second Spitter
Jul 22 2010 09:20 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Holy crap, I just wrote a long-ish post for nothing. Haha!

Ok, the ball -- I won't bother plagiarising again.


Soreness Under the Ball of the Big Toe
(Bruised or broken sesamoids)

Description:
Tiny bones called sesamoids are located under the ball of your big toe (where the toe connects to your foot). These bones sometimes bruise -- it's a hassle, but it's also a warning system; they start aching before you damage the bones of your big toe. To see if you've bruised these little guys, press hard on the head of your big toe with your thumb. If you're howling in pain, that pretty much confirms that you've bruised, maybe even broken, your sesamoids.

Likely Causes:
Increased mileage, maybe new hillwork or speedwork. Whatever the cause, you are running too much on the balls of your feet. Also, it is possible that your running surface is responsible -- too much hard pavement. A final possibility is that you are doing nothing wrong at all, but you may have been betrayed by your own bone structure (i.e. you have bony feet without much fat padding).

Remedy:
Ice your foot, putting it on ice for ten minutes, off for ten minutes, and repeat. Do this often, maybe four times per day. This, of course, only treats the symptoms. You also have to treat the root cause and stop pounding the balls of your feet into pulp. Reduce hillwork and speedwork, and also take a look at your stride. Your heel should hit the ground first, rolling through the middle of your foot and then springing off from your toes. You should not be landing on the balls of your feet.

The problem can further be avoided in the future by padding around the ball of your foot to take pressure off of it. Get a piece of felt or foam rubber (try using a Dr. Scholl's heel pad, for example). It should be 1/4" thick and about 2" square. Cut a shallow "U" out of the pad so that it fits snugly behind (not over) the ball of your foot. Behind, incidentally, means on the heel side, not the toe side. The pad should fit right behind the painful area. You'll know you've got it right when you try it out and walk around -- the pressure will be off the bone, and the pain will be far reduced. Tape the padding to your foot and wear it in your daytime shoes as well as your running shoes.

You should be able to hit the road immediately, and the pain will likely disappear in about two weeks. If it does not, you may need custom orthotics. See a podiatrist, preferably one who is also a runner.

themetfairy
Jul 22 2010 09:23 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

The Second Spitter wrote:
themetfairy wrote:
I ran 4.1 miles in 49 minutes in the soup out there.


Speaking of soup, did you try lentils as a training food?


LOL - no, but another friend of mine wrote to me over the weekend about preparing a lentil/chicken dish as training food.

I've been doing well with peanut butter and chocolate chips as my pre-race meal. I digest it well, and it gives me a boost. Sushi is my favorite dinner a night or two before a big race.

Ceetar
Jul 22 2010 09:24 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

The Second Spitter wrote:
Holy crap, I just wrote a long-ish post for nothing. Haha!

Ok, the ball -- I won't bother plagiarising again.


Soreness Under the Ball of the Big Toe
(Bruised or broken sesamoids)

Description:
Tiny bones called sesamoids are located under the ball of your big toe (where the toe connects to your foot). These bones sometimes bruise -- it's a hassle, but it's also a warning system; they start aching before you damage the bones of your big toe. To see if you've bruised these little guys, press hard on the head of your big toe with your thumb. If you're howling in pain, that pretty much confirms that you've bruised, maybe even broken, your sesamoids.

Likely Causes:
Increased mileage, maybe new hillwork or speedwork. Whatever the cause, you are running too much on the balls of your feet. Also, it is possible that your running surface is responsible -- too much hard pavement. A final possibility is that you are doing nothing wrong at all, but you may have been betrayed by your own bone structure (i.e. you have bony feet without much fat padding).

Remedy:
Ice your foot, putting it on ice for ten minutes, off for ten minutes, and repeat. Do this often, maybe four times per day. This, of course, only treats the symptoms. You also have to treat the root cause and stop pounding the balls of your feet into pulp. Reduce hillwork and speedwork, and also take a look at your stride. Your heel should hit the ground first, rolling through the middle of your foot and then springing off from your toes. You should not be landing on the balls of your feet.

The problem can further be avoided in the future by padding around the ball of your foot to take pressure off of it. Get a piece of felt or foam rubber (try using a Dr. Scholl's heel pad, for example). It should be 1/4" thick and about 2" square. Cut a shallow "U" out of the pad so that it fits snugly behind (not over) the ball of your foot. Behind, incidentally, means on the heel side, not the toe side. The pad should fit right behind the painful area. You'll know you've got it right when you try it out and walk around -- the pressure will be off the bone, and the pain will be far reduced. Tape the padding to your foot and wear it in your daytime shoes as well as your running shoes.

You should be able to hit the road immediately, and the pain will likely disappear in about two weeks. If it does not, you may need custom orthotics. See a podiatrist, preferably one who is also a runner.


Thanks. I was wondering if it was a bone bruise but I was figuring I was just thinking that because I watch the Mets/Castillo/Beltran too much. doesn't hurt when I press on it. just walking. Probably haven't been running long/hard enough to really hurt it, just enough to keep it from healing.

The Second Spitter
Jul 22 2010 09:45 AM
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themetfairy wrote:


I've been doing well with peanut butter and chocolate chips as my pre-race meal.I digest it well, and it gives me a boost


If I eat PB and chocolate chips before a run, I'd bonk before the first 1km.

themetfairy wrote:

Sushi is my favorite dinner a night or two before a big race.


What sort of rice do you have in your sushi?

metsmarathon
Jul 22 2010 09:55 AM
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The Second Spitter wrote:
Your heel should hit the ground first, rolling through the middle of your foot and then springing off from your toes. You should not be landing on the balls of your feet.


phooey!

though, to be honest, i do get the pain under the ball of my big toe every now and again. usually when i play basketball a lot, not as much from running. its often a sign that i need new basketball shoes. or new running shoes.

oe: i'm really surprised in the discussion of the remedies the words "new/different shoes" never came up...

The Second Spitter
Jul 22 2010 10:10 AM
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Hey mm -- I'm thinking about stopping my weight-training sessions. My reasoning is thus; it's about two weeks before that race, and I need to drop some weight asap, otherwise I'm gonna get demolished on the Hill of Doom. What are your thoughts?

themetfairy
Jul 22 2010 10:50 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

The Second Spitter wrote:
themetfairy wrote:


I've been doing well with peanut butter and chocolate chips as my pre-race meal.I digest it well, and it gives me a boost


If I eat PB and chocolate chips before a run, I'd bonk before the first 1km.

themetfairy wrote:

Sushi is my favorite dinner a night or two before a big race.


What sort of rice do you have in your sushi?


The PB & CC sandwiches work for me, plus I use GU Gel Packs on the course. After months of experimenting, this is what's working well for me.

I'm not sure what kind of rice it is - it's the kind that the restaurants serve....

Fman99
Jul 22 2010 10:51 AM
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Another question for you, coach.

What is speed work? How do I do it, how often, and will it help improve my times?

metsmarathon
Jul 22 2010 06:44 PM
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The Second Spitter wrote:
John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Well, now they have 547. The sole at the toes is getting badly worn and the tread overall has lost some depth, but overall these (Asics 2140) have been very durable despite my fatass plodding abuse. The tops and sides still look new.

I could be tempted to try another brand this time if only because I haven't since starting running again (2120s and now 2140s) and I've kinda been unhappy with my speed lately (not that I believe a new shoe will change that). I'm not sure I need "Motion control" however.

What I really need is a pain free left foot.


Take as many pairs of shoes as you can for a test run before you buy your next pair.


go someplace like road runner sports, where they actually give you up to 60 days to try out your shoes, and let you exchange them even if - gasp - you actually ran in them! on roads even!

metsmarathon
Jul 22 2010 07:04 PM
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The Second Spitter wrote:
Hey mm -- I'm thinking about stopping my weight-training sessions. My reasoning is thus; it's about two weeks before that race, and I need to drop some weight asap, otherwise I'm gonna get demolished on the Hill of Doom. What are your thoughts?


i don't know that it'll help you lose weight, unless you plan to not eat as much because you won't be requiring as many calories to fuel both the running and the weight lifting, but if you do cut back on the weight lifting just in advance of the race, it should mean that your body will, as a whole, be more rested when you run the race, and you'll tire less quickly when you run, which should allow you to maintain a good, consistent form for longer.

when i used to lift weights consistently, i'd always tone it down leading up to a marathon, typically decreasing the weight but increasing the reps for two months prior, then taking a break the week before. and after, to recover. (but i haven't been back in the gym for at least a year - ever since they got new machines that i felt had wonky biomechanics despite looking all fancy.)

as far as weight loss in general, i've got nothing. i can't get much below 195 lbs for any consistent length of time, but also don't really get more than 5 lbs over it either, despite really wanting to knock 10 lbs off my frame to gain what i hope to be that last bit of speed that i'm missing. prolly the best thing to do would be to cut back on the sugary and alcoholy beverages, sticking with plain water instead, and avoiding otherwise empty calories. i mean, isn't that the key to weight loss in general? (i should prolly try some of that...) what you don't want to do, though, is try to starve yourself to get the weight down, as you'll just be depleting your energy stores that you'll need for the run.

themetfairy
Jul 22 2010 07:12 PM
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The dance of eating to fuel long runs vs. eating to lose/not gain weight is a tricky one.

A large part of the reason that I'm committed to one marathon and only one marathon is that it's just so much easier to eat lightly than it is to carb up without gaining weight.

metsmarathon
Jul 22 2010 08:37 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Another question for you, coach.

What is speed work? How do I do it, how often, and will it help improve my times?


to run faster, you need to teach your body to run faster. speed work teaches your body to run faster.

speed work typically refers to interval training: alternating bursts of high intensity running with periods of rest or low activity, the eponymous intervals.

i'll let hal higdon explain how to do 'em...

Interval Training: To improve your speed, train at a pace somewhat faster than your race pace for the 5-K, about the pace you would run in a 1500 meter or mile race. Run 400 meters hard, then recover by jogging and/or walking 400 meters. Before starting this workout, warm-up by jogging a mile or two, stretching, and doing a few sprints of 100 meters. Cool down afterwards with a short jog.


so you might be thinking, "thanks, but what the hell does that mean, and how does it help me?"

basically, the first thing you need is to find 400 relatively flat, smooth meters. a track is a particularly handy asset in this regard, and can typically be found at your nearest public high school. as a tax payer, you should be able to use it, provided the school or a club isn't already. but really, if you've got a flat road with a good even surface, no intersections, and ideally not too much crown, that's fine. go onto mapmyrun.com and use their mapping tools to find your landmarks. select a pair of driveways, or the corner of a house, or a lamppost, really anything that's memorable and noticeable, preferably that you can see as you're sprinting towards it. it also helps to find the halfway point so you can gauge your pace. you should be able to find two landmarks that are 0.25 miles apart.

start at one, run towards the other. jog back. if the road has a significant crown, and if you can, switch sides of the street each time you run down it. ideally, if its a low traffic area, you could run in the middle of the road where there's no crown.

i've got two quarter miles marked out - one at work, one at home. the work one is flatter, with about a 5' rise over the first half. at home, i've got closer to a 10' rise over the first half, and an equal drop on the second. i prefer to run them ever so slightly uphill as opposed to down, since i can't find perfectly level terrain.

how fast do you run them? hal says to do it in your 1500m pace, or your mile pace. chances are, you have no idea what that is. (its how fast you'd run a mile if you were in a mile-long race, but you probably figured that part out...) according to runners world's handy online training calculator, with a 5k time of 24 minutes, your mile pace would be about 7:13, or a 108 second quarter. i'd suggest, though, that you not start that fast.

your first time out, start out aiming for, say, a 7:30 pace, or 112 second quarters. if that feels too easy, you can always go a little faster on the next one. after a few workouts, you should find your target pace.

so you run the quarter, run through your finish line like you're trying to beat a throw to first base, and then if you're on a track, jog a second lap. on the road, slow to jog a few strides, then turn around and jog back to where you started. for quarter repeats, my intervals usually take about twice as long as the sprint. too short and you won't recover. too long, though, and you'll start to wind down and lose the workout.

you'd probably want to start with four quarter mile repeats, just to get a feel for the workout. if you blow your load on the first one, and find yourself completely shot for the second, don't feel bad about tanking the workout - you're still trying to figure it out - and back off a little the next time out. eventually, you'd build to doing about 8 quarter repeats, or maybe just 6, depending on your goals. follow hal's advice though, and do a good warmup and stretch. i also usually jog about a mile afterwards.

you would typically do speed work once a week, or every other week. i do it every tuesday.

for a 5k, you'd mostly want to do 400m repeats. as you got faster and more ambitious, you'd maybe do 400s one week, and 200s the next. right now, i'm doing 400s, 800s and miles, as the longer intervals are more appropriate for longer distances. on the 800s my interval is a quarter mile. on the mile, my interval is an 800. it all basically follows the same pattern.

if you find yourself incorporating speed work into your training, you'll be teaching your body that it can run faster than it does in a 5k. you'll also be teaching it that it can still run that fast even after its already tired itself out by running for or five other repeats, knowledge you can tap into during a race. by running faster, you should also be improving your form and efficiency. you'll find that in a race, what was once your 5k pace now feels slow. and your body will be rearing to go faster.

i highly recommend speed work. regardless of your speed. the principles all hold true.

you just want to ease into it a bit, so as not to hurt yourself. if you run too fast before you're ready, or if you haven't warmed up, you'll pull a muscle. trust me. it's my specialty.

...

a fun variation on speed work is hill work. find a hill. run up it. jog slowly down. repeat. these are good on steep short hills, or less steep hills between 100 and 400m long. you could do longer hill repeats, but the jog down starts to get counterproductive.

what they do beyond speed work is build more power, as you're pushing yourself not only forward, but up. they force you to run more on your forefoot, and force you to lift your knees and really work. they also make any hills you encounter in a race that much easier.

poke around hal higodn's training site, http://www.halhigdon.com the 5k intermediate plan should be appropriate for you.

he's my go to guy for training reference, and training plans. i'm currently following his advanced half marathon plan to get me ready for that river to sea relay thing, with some on the fly modifications as needed. i've used his marathon training plans in the past, and will in the future.

themetfairy
Jul 22 2010 08:44 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

I like Higdon. His marathon training guide is very helpful.

The Second Spitter
Jul 22 2010 10:30 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

metsmarathon wrote:

as far as weight loss in general, i've got nothing. i can't get much below 195 lbs for any consistent length of time, but also don't really get more than 5 lbs over it either, despite really wanting to knock 10 lbs off my frame to gain what i hope to be that last bit of speed that i'm missing. prolly the best thing to do would be to cut back on the sugary and alcoholy beverages, sticking with plain water instead, and avoiding otherwise empty calories. i mean, isn't that the key to weight loss in general? (i should prolly try some of that...) what you don't want to do, though, is try to starve yourself to get the weight down, as you'll just be depleting your energy stores that you'll need for the run.


I was working 80-100hrs per week -- even trying to fit in one training session per week was a challenge. Also, when you work those hours you become less particular about what you eat. I stacked on 50-60lbs in about 7 months -- when that happens you can't exercise effectively even if you want to. After some radical lifestyle changes, I'm about halfway back now, but like I told tmf, in long-distance running, weight kills.

themetfairy wrote:
The dance of eating to fuel long runs vs. eating to lose/not gain weight is a tricky one..


Very, very true. Given my situation, my personal trainer told me to run first-thing in the morning, on an empty stomach, drinking pure green tea (without sugar) instead of water during my runs. It's a pretty horrible experience, but a very effective one, as I've stripped fat like crazy. This morning I did a 12.50km carbed-up for the first time, and my time was significantly faster.

(Btw, if you scroll halfway down this page, you'll see a photo of my personal trainer, his name is Mets, you know.

Fman99
Jul 23 2010 05:53 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Another question for you, coach.

What is speed work? How do I do it, how often, and will it help improve my times?


to run faster, you need to teach your body to run faster. speed work teaches your body to run faster.

speed work typically refers to interval training: alternating bursts of high intensity running with periods of rest or low activity, the eponymous intervals.

i'll let hal higdon explain how to do 'em...

Interval Training: To improve your speed, train at a pace somewhat faster than your race pace for the 5-K, about the pace you would run in a 1500 meter or mile race. Run 400 meters hard, then recover by jogging and/or walking 400 meters. Before starting this workout, warm-up by jogging a mile or two, stretching, and doing a few sprints of 100 meters. Cool down afterwards with a short jog.


so you might be thinking, "thanks, but what the hell does that mean, and how does it help me?"

basically, the first thing you need is to find 400 relatively flat, smooth meters. a track is a particularly handy asset in this regard, and can typically be found at your nearest public high school. as a tax payer, you should be able to use it, provided the school or a club isn't already. but really, if you've got a flat road with a good even surface, no intersections, and ideally not too much crown, that's fine. go onto mapmyrun.com and use their mapping tools to find your landmarks. select a pair of driveways, or the corner of a house, or a lamppost, really anything that's memorable and noticeable, preferably that you can see as you're sprinting towards it. it also helps to find the halfway point so you can gauge your pace. you should be able to find two landmarks that are 0.25 miles apart.

start at one, run towards the other. jog back. if the road has a significant crown, and if you can, switch sides of the street each time you run down it. ideally, if its a low traffic area, you could run in the middle of the road where there's no crown.

i've got two quarter miles marked out - one at work, one at home. the work one is flatter, with about a 5' rise over the first half. at home, i've got closer to a 10' rise over the first half, and an equal drop on the second. i prefer to run them ever so slightly uphill as opposed to down, since i can't find perfectly level terrain.

how fast do you run them? hal says to do it in your 1500m pace, or your mile pace. chances are, you have no idea what that is. (its how fast you'd run a mile if you were in a mile-long race, but you probably figured that part out...) according to runners world's handy online training calculator, with a 5k time of 24 minutes, your mile pace would be about 7:13, or a 108 second quarter. i'd suggest, though, that you not start that fast.

your first time out, start out aiming for, say, a 7:30 pace, or 112 second quarters. if that feels too easy, you can always go a little faster on the next one. after a few workouts, you should find your target pace.

so you run the quarter, run through your finish line like you're trying to beat a throw to first base, and then if you're on a track, jog a second lap. on the road, slow to jog a few strides, then turn around and jog back to where you started. for quarter repeats, my intervals usually take about twice as long as the sprint. too short and you won't recover. too long, though, and you'll start to wind down and lose the workout.

you'd probably want to start with four quarter mile repeats, just to get a feel for the workout. if you blow your load on the first one, and find yourself completely shot for the second, don't feel bad about tanking the workout - you're still trying to figure it out - and back off a little the next time out. eventually, you'd build to doing about 8 quarter repeats, or maybe just 6, depending on your goals. follow hal's advice though, and do a good warmup and stretch. i also usually jog about a mile afterwards.

you would typically do speed work once a week, or every other week. i do it every tuesday.

for a 5k, you'd mostly want to do 400m repeats. as you got faster and more ambitious, you'd maybe do 400s one week, and 200s the next. right now, i'm doing 400s, 800s and miles, as the longer intervals are more appropriate for longer distances. on the 800s my interval is a quarter mile. on the mile, my interval is an 800. it all basically follows the same pattern.

if you find yourself incorporating speed work into your training, you'll be teaching your body that it can run faster than it does in a 5k. you'll also be teaching it that it can still run that fast even after its already tired itself out by running for or five other repeats, knowledge you can tap into during a race. by running faster, you should also be improving your form and efficiency. you'll find that in a race, what was once your 5k pace now feels slow. and your body will be rearing to go faster.

i highly recommend speed work. regardless of your speed. the principles all hold true.

you just want to ease into it a bit, so as not to hurt yourself. if you run too fast before you're ready, or if you haven't warmed up, you'll pull a muscle. trust me. it's my specialty.

...

a fun variation on speed work is hill work. find a hill. run up it. jog slowly down. repeat. these are good on steep short hills, or less steep hills between 100 and 400m long. you could do longer hill repeats, but the jog down starts to get counterproductive.

what they do beyond speed work is build more power, as you're pushing yourself not only forward, but up. they force you to run more on your forefoot, and force you to lift your knees and really work. they also make any hills you encounter in a race that much easier.

poke around hal higodn's training site, http://www.halhigdon.com the 5k intermediate plan should be appropriate for you.

he's my go to guy for training reference, and training plans. i'm currently following his advanced half marathon plan to get me ready for that river to sea relay thing, with some on the fly modifications as needed. i've used his marathon training plans in the past, and will in the future.


Awesome advice, as always. Thanks.

The park where I normally run is flat, largely straight, and has painted markers on the pavement every quarter mile. It'd be perfect for speed work. I'll have to give it a go sometime.

The Second Spitter
Jul 23 2010 06:06 AM
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Fman99 wrote:
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Awesome advice, as always. Thanks.


Indeed, I was just telling metfairy the other day through email correspondence what a great asset mm is to our training. Much appreciated, bro.

themetfairy
Jul 23 2010 07:25 AM
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The Second Spitter wrote:


(Btw, if you scroll halfway down this page, you'll see a photo of my personal trainer, his name is Mets, you know.


Let's Go Mets!

The Second Spitter
Jul 23 2010 07:36 AM
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How can anybody not listen to somebody named Mets?

Fman99
Jul 23 2010 05:33 PM
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OOOOO! MF mentioned the "CPF Running Club" in the "Apropos of Nothing" thread. I love the sound of that, we should get T-Shirts made.

Who else would buy one? I think if you get up to a certain count you get them at a discounted rate....

themetfairy
Jul 23 2010 05:42 PM
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Fman99 wrote:
OOOOO! MF mentioned the "CPF Running Club" in the "Apropos of Nothing" thread. I love the sound of that, we should get T-Shirts made.

Who else would buy one? I think if you get up to a certain count you get them at a discounted rate....


Let's make them singlets!

metsguyinmichigan
Jul 23 2010 06:03 PM
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ooohhh! Count me in!

I've started running outdoors more. It IS more fun. Staying with the in-laws I made it all the way to the University of Illinois football stadium, and locally I've had fun on a "rail to trail" park, including one that goes all the way to the Whitecaps ballpark.

I find that I don't go as fast as I do on the treadmill, but I go longer.

BTW, the free RunKeeper app is incredible. I just discovered that it creates little maps of where you've been. Great stuff!

themetfairy
Jul 23 2010 06:11 PM
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Glad you're enjoying the outdoor runs michigan. I'm definitely in favor of mixing things up and doing different kinds of workouts :)

The Second Spitter
Jul 24 2010 08:34 AM
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themetfairy wrote:
Fman99 wrote:
OOOOO! MF mentioned the "CPF Running Club" in the "Apropos of Nothing" thread. I love the sound of that, we should get T-Shirts made.

Who else would buy one? I think if you get up to a certain count you get them at a discounted rate....


Let's make them singlets!


It'll be in that - can I suggest we make them in dri-fit or some comparable material? Also can we get that quote on mm's sig put on the back?

Ran 13km in freezing cold conditions late afternoon. My lungs feel like crap. Couldn't go out tonight...

themetfairy
Jul 24 2010 08:38 AM
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Feel better 3D!

The Second Spitter
Jul 24 2010 08:56 AM
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Thanks tmf.

themetfairy
Jul 24 2010 09:28 AM
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I decided that today would be a good cross-training day. Once a week I do a 40-minute treadmill routine. It involves walking, light running, and various inclines. I build up a real good sweat, and I think it has helped me handle the hills better.

And anything was better than running outside in this oppressive humidity today!

Rockin' Doc
Jul 24 2010 09:46 AM
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I'm slowly starting to stretch out my runs in pursuit of 10K mark. I just got back from a doing 4.81 miles in 40 minutes. My plan is to increase the length of my runs by 5 minutes every 4 or 5 runs while maintaining a pace of 8:20-8:40 minutes/mile. Should be doing 60 minute runs before the end of September if all goes well.

themetfairy
Jul 24 2010 10:38 AM
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That sounds like a wise plan RD - best of luck with it!

Fman99
Jul 24 2010 10:41 AM
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The Second Spitter wrote:
themetfairy wrote:
Fman99 wrote:
OOOOO! MF mentioned the "CPF Running Club" in the "Apropos of Nothing" thread. I love the sound of that, we should get T-Shirts made.

Who else would buy one? I think if you get up to a certain count you get them at a discounted rate....


Let's make them singlets!


It'll be in that - can I suggest we make them in dri-fit or some comparable material? Also can we get that quote on mm's sig put on the back?

Ran 13km in freezing cold conditions late afternoon. My lungs feel like crap. Couldn't go out tonight...


Which quote?

1) the first step is admitting you're a runner.
2) running is a mental sport, and we're all insane.

I like the first one better...

Fman99
Jul 24 2010 10:44 AM
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Fman99 wrote:
Fman99 wrote:
OOOOO! MF mentioned the "CPF Running Club" in the "Apropos of Nothing" thread. I love the sound of that, we should get T-Shirts made.

Who else would buy one? I think if you get up to a certain count you get them at a discounted rate....


Let's make them singlets!


It'll be in that - can I suggest we make them in dri-fit or some comparable material? Also can we get that quote on mm's sig put on the back?

Ran 13km in freezing cold conditions late afternoon. My lungs feel like crap. Couldn't go out tonight...


Which quote?

1) the first step is admitting you're a runner.
2) running is a mental sport, and we're all insane.

I like the first one better...


I think this is worthy of a new thread actually.....

themetfairy
Jul 24 2010 07:23 PM
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metsmarathon wrote:
calling any runners![/bigpurple]

um, now that i have your attention...

so this race that i'm doing - the river to sea relay, on july 31 - the team i'm a part of just had a last minute cancellation, and has a spot on the roster that we need to fill asap.


Hey mm - did you get your runner?

And do you know which legs of the race you're running?

Rockin' Doc
Jul 24 2010 08:20 PM
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I remember marathon posting that his team had found their seventh runner. They were still sorting through the legs, but hadn't made definite assignments yet. He was training for the extreme hill in case it fell to him. I'm not sure where that post is in this very long thread.

upon edit: marathon's post is on page 57 of this thread, dated July 20th.

themetfairy
Jul 24 2010 08:31 PM
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I'm definitely waiting to see which leg he has; hopefully I'll have a chance to cheer him on.

metsmarathon
Jul 24 2010 08:42 PM
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still waiting on the final assignment. i'm pretty sure i'll be doing either the one with the giant hill, or the one that'll afford me a cheering section.

soon as i know, i'll be sure to share.

themetfairy
Jul 24 2010 08:49 PM
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Looking forward to hearing the news :)

The Second Spitter
Jul 26 2010 03:26 AM
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Today was meant to be my first trial run of the race route I'm doing in August. At about 2km I got clotheslined by a thickish low branch, which knocked me over. Managed to pull myself up and continued running --- 500 meters later I started to feel dizzy and collapsed. Then I noticed a stream of hot liquid coming out from under my beanie. Drove myself to the hospital, demolished the side of my car trying to parkit, got 6 stitches and a tetanus shot, went home showered, vomited, went back to the hospital (in a cab this time), had an MRI, grade 2 concussion, no running one week.

Doctor said it may have been worse but for the fact I wearing a thickish beanie.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 26 2010 04:41 AM
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I was only waving the branch to scare you, sorry.

themetfairy
Jul 26 2010 05:24 AM
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OMG 3D!

Feel better!

metsmarathon
Jul 26 2010 07:02 AM
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at least now you'll know to avoid it in the race...

themetfairy
Jul 26 2010 10:31 AM
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I went out early on this cool, lovely morning, hoping to get in 20 miles. It wasn't meant to be. Around the 9 mile mark it was apparent that I'd need a pit stop. I held out until 12 miles, got home, and then realized that I really needed to cool my body down a bit before heading back outside. I eventually did go back out, and gutted out another slow 4.3 miles before the heat did me in.

Still, 16.3 miles, even with a rest, is nothing to sneeze at.

I'm getting there, slowly but surely....

Fman99
Jul 26 2010 07:10 PM
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themetfairy wrote:
I went out early on this cool, lovely morning, hoping to get in 20 miles. It wasn't meant to be. Around the 9 mile mark it was apparent that I'd need a pit stop. I held out until 12 miles, got home, and then realized that I really needed to cool my body down a bit before heading back outside. I eventually did go back out, and gutted out another slow 4.3 miles before the heat did me in.

Still, 16.3 miles, even with a rest, is nothing to sneeze at.

I'm getting there, slowly but surely....


Good for you MF! Take it step by step, you still have lots of time to prep.

I ran a 23:59 today and I felt great. A blister on my toe healed and my knee twinge, which I still felt a little, didn't really affect me at all. I'm ready for my Wednesday night 5k race.

themetfairy
Jul 26 2010 07:37 PM
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Thanks Fman, and nice work yourself!

Rockin' Doc
Jul 26 2010 07:49 PM
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Damn, Spitter you have some terrible luck. I pray you have a speedy recovery.

Fman99
Jul 26 2010 07:51 PM
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themetfairy wrote:
OMG 3D!

Feel better!


Seriously... speedy recovery man.

The Second Spitter
Jul 26 2010 11:40 PM
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I just woke up from a 18 hour slumber with the sort of feeling I imagine you get after polishing off a $15 bottle of Scotch and then sitting next to a jackhammer for a day. Thank you for all your wishes- this is some indication of the damage



Most of the blood was actually soaked up by my beanie - all I have to say is FU Adebayor...

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
I was only waving the branch to scare you, sorry.


Mate, in that case I owe you a beer, cos I got the number of the nurse that treated me. Haha!

Rockin' Doc wrote:
Damn, Spitter you have some terrible luck.


I'm actually thinking about establishing a religion around this premise. Ask Seo, he'll tell you some fascinating stories.

metsmarathon
Jul 27 2010 08:11 AM
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themetfairy wrote:
I went out early on this cool, lovely morning, hoping to get in 20 miles. It wasn't meant to be. Around the 9 mile mark it was apparent that I'd need a pit stop. I held out until 12 miles, got home, and then realized that I really needed to cool my body down a bit before heading back outside. I eventually did go back out, and gutted out another slow 4.3 miles before the heat did me in.

Still, 16.3 miles, even with a rest, is nothing to sneeze at.

I'm getting there, slowly but surely....


i've definitely done that before. i think i was going to do 18, or so, with a string of 6 mile loops. i stopped in after the first one because the house was there. it threw me off for the second one, which was then so lackluster that by the time i came by hte house again, the draw was so strong that i couldn't escape its gravity. i went in for a cooling breeze and some water, and never left.

i wouldn't worry about the 20 miler. if you can torpedo yourself into running a crappy 16 miles, you've got the ability to go the extra 4 with a less crappy, un-torpedoed run in cooler less humid weather.

drop back on the long runs and build up for the 20 miler in september. you'll have more of a distance base by then, and the weather will be nicer, so that it'll be a breeze, comparatively.

themetfairy
Jul 27 2010 09:04 AM
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Thanks mm - I appreciate the advice.

Next week is definitely going to be a drop back week - I'm going on vacation, and don't want to have to deal with an ultra long run. But I'm planning on doing a 10-12 mile run before we leave and a then few 5Ks on the beach :)

Farmer Ted
Jul 27 2010 09:37 AM
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Went out for a time trial on the track Saturday. Pretty much pulling a Simon Pegg. Happier with my fitness than I could have imagined. Far from where I need to be. Fuck it's hot out there.

themetfairy
Jul 27 2010 11:34 AM
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Farmer Ted wrote:
Went out for a time trial on the track Saturday. Pretty much pulling a Simon Pegg. Happier with my fitness than I could have imagined. Far from where I need to be. Fuck it's hot out there.


Congrats (I think....).

And yes, it has been a HOT summer!

Chad Ochoseis
Jul 27 2010 12:09 PM
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The Second Spitter wrote:
Thank you for all your wishes- this is some indication of the damage


Damn, that looks scary. Just adding one more wish to the wishes.

The Second Spitter wrote:
I got the number of the nurse that treated me.


Beer goggles = bad

Scrambled brain goggles = even worse

Farmer Ted
Jul 27 2010 01:33 PM
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I'm FREE! Bought the Nike Free Run last week. Feel good as a walking shoe so far. They seem to be doing what they were meant to...strengthen the feet. Tried a quick mile run in them. Not so easy. Still running in the Asic Keyanos.

themetfairy
Jul 27 2010 04:20 PM
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marathon - have you ever run with a pace team in a race? If so, what do you find the advantages and/or disadvantages to be?

Thanks.

metsmarathon
Jul 27 2010 08:50 PM
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nope, but i've run near them... i usually end up right in front of the pace group that's too fast for me, and then slowly but surely end up behind them. and then far behind them. then the next pace group catches me. then the next. then i finish. or stop paying attention.

i'm actually thinking it might be a good idea to find one of them when i make my next push for a time goal. they can keep you reeled in early, and help push you late. they are widely acknowledged to be excellent things.

themetfairy
Jul 27 2010 08:54 PM
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Cool - thanks. I think I'll do that in November :)

The Second Spitter
Jul 28 2010 04:13 AM
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Chad Ochoseis wrote:
The Second Spitter wrote:
Thank you for all your wishes- this is some indication of the damage


Damn, that looks scary. Just adding one more wish to the wishes.

The Second Spitter wrote:
I got the number of the nurse that treated me.


Beer goggles = bad

Scrambled brain goggles = even worse


Thanks dude. I only have a faint recollection what she looks like!

themetfairy
Jul 28 2010 08:39 AM
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I put in 5.7 miles this morning, which gives me 100.9 miles so far for the month of July. This is my first 100 mile month since January, which pleases me very much :)

metsmarathon
Jul 28 2010 09:03 AM
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so it looks like i will be doing the big hill-climbing 4th leg on saturday, starting in lambertville along the delaware, and finishing up just west of hopewell.

then me and another runner are going to be tackling legs 10 & 11, trading mile repeats through englishtown and then proceeding couterclockwise along the outskirts of freehold, to route 9.

i'm hoping that i can do the big hill in about a 7:30 pace, give or take 15 seconds. our plan going into legs 10 & 11, since we can split them up however we want, is for me to take the first mile, handoff to the other runner, have him run a mile while i ride in a van to the end of his mile, and so on and so forth. i figure, as long as i don't totally seize up after hte big hill, that i should be able to bang out 7 minute miles pretty much ad infinitum with the rest and ac provided by the van.

i'm looking forward to saturday. it should be a fun, interesting day. its going to be a tremendously long day, as i've got almost a 2 hour drive to the start, and we've gotta check in about 45 minutes before we'll likely be starting our collective run. twelve hours or so and 92 miles later, we should be done. then there's post-race mingling and celebrating. and finally, a half-hour drive to the in-laws'. mrs.- and minimm will be along for the ride to drop me off, then they head south to her parents place to rest and hang out, and should ultimately meet me at the finish. so it'll be an equally long day for them, too.

themetfairy
Jul 28 2010 09:15 AM
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Best of luck Saturday - I'm sure you'll kick ass!

metsmarathon
Jul 28 2010 02:34 PM
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hey cool. i'm over halfway to my goal this year of running (virtually, using google maps walking routes) to manitoba province, canada, and am about a half mile from chicago.

i'm kindof right here.

and i think i need to get my ass moving. this place gives me the creeps.

themetfairy
Jul 28 2010 03:05 PM
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That's awesome mm!

Fman99
Jul 29 2010 06:11 AM
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So, yesterday's race was unique for me for a couple of reasons. First, it's likely to be the only race of the year that I run on a weeknight, as the other ones have all been Saturday or Sunday morning affairs. Also, this race was divided up so that the first race was all high school kids, and then the adult men and women each ran separately. So I was running exclusively against other adult men, also new for me. Lastly, this was my first ever cross country race. I have been training mostly on paved roads. There are some dirt trails that I run on at Onondaga Lake Park but they are fairly well worn.

This was real off-road racing though! Running through grassy fields, up and down some serious hills, across bare dirt, and all kinds of new terrain. I found it challenging and fun.

The course was laid out at Long Branch Park, another state facility just down the road from my home. The organizers had laid out a 2.5k loop around the perimeter of the park that was essentially run twice, with some minor variations for the start and finish lines. A single water station was set up near the halfway point.

I hit the first mile split at 7:45, not my best pace but considering the terrain, I was happy with it. The killer feature of this course was a really big hill, just after the 1 mile mark. This beast was at a near 45 degree angle and probably about 60 feet high. The first time I hit it at a pretty good clip, made my way own the other side and on through the forest.

The weather was really nice... overcast, a little breeze and the occasional sprinkle of rain to cool me off.

Hit the halfway point at about 12:10. Again, I was hoping to finish under 25 minutes given the nature of the run. I found that running over soft ground, on trails, and the gravelly roads was putting a bit more pressure on my feet and ankles. Not enough to hurt, but enough for me to notice the difference from my usual runs.

This was an elite group of runners, compared to the other races I've run this year. The first three races of 2010 I've managed to finish in the top 20-25% of the field. But looking at this race's 2009 results I could see I'd be near the back of the pack. No bother -- I am running my own race. I very quickly fell behind the larger pack of runners in the first quarter mile.

Hitting that hill the second time, at about the 2.5 mile mark, really beat me down. I scaled it in a near trudge. From there though I was able to keep a good (for me) pace and even kick at the end a bit. I ran a 24:33, slower than I did in races 2 and 3 but still comparative to what I've been doing on my practice runs in the extreme heat we've had this year. I earned a nice orange tee shirt for my efforts and I feel great today. No lingering effects from running cross country.

I always feel like Rudy from the movie "Meatballs" when I'm running through the woods.

Race number 5, assuming I don't enter another one in between now and then, is another cross country run, this time at Beaver Lake in Baldwinsville. That's a full loop around the lake at a park that my family and I have visited many times. I'm looking forward to it.

themetfairy
Jul 29 2010 06:33 AM
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WTG Fman - impressive work!

metsmarathon
Jul 29 2010 07:24 AM
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nice! i loved cross country in college. those little murderous hills they can find in even the flattest of terrain were always my favorite.

i'm glad it wasn't as treacherous as my last foray off the beaten path - i guess that's the difference between "cross country" and "trail race"

Fman99
Jul 30 2010 09:48 AM
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They posted the results yesterday, I finished 29th out of 36th runners in the men's heat. More noticeable in the results is the fact that I finished 34 seconds behind the 28th place runner and 36 seconds in front of the 30th place guy (I was out there by myself for the majority of the race), and that the top 23 finishers all were under 21 minutes.

themetfairy
Jul 30 2010 10:25 AM
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That's pretty steep competition you had!

Rockin' Doc
Jul 30 2010 11:06 AM
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Damn, that was a serious group of runners you were up against Fman. You did the right thing by staying within yourself and running your own race without worrying about the others. Good job of sticking to your pace and running a smart race.

I just finished a nice workout and run. I did 4.90 miles in 40 minutes and hit the 5K mark at 25:15. I think I could have set a personal best for 5K and gone under the 25 minute mark if I would have pushed for it and kicked the last minute or so, but knowing I was ultimately shooting for 4.85 miles in 40 minutes, I resisted the temptation to push for a 5K time.

If I feel good tomorrow morning, I may see if I can get to 5 miles in the 40 minutes. I don't know how much faster I can go until I try I guess.

themetfairy
Jul 30 2010 11:20 AM
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Good work and good luck RD!

Fman99
Jul 30 2010 08:12 PM
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Rockin' Doc wrote:
Damn, that was a serious group of runners you were up against Fman. You did the right thing by staying within yourself and running your own race without worrying about the others. Good job of sticking to your pace and running a smart race.

I just finished a nice workout and run. I did 4.90 miles in 40 minutes and hit the 5K mark at 25:15. I think I could have set a personal best for 5K and gone under the 25 minute mark if I would have pushed for it and kicked the last minute or so, but knowing I was ultimately shooting for 4.85 miles in 40 minutes, I resisted the temptation to push for a 5K time.

If I feel good tomorrow morning, I may see if I can get to 5 miles in the 40 minutes. I don't know how much faster I can go until I try I guess.


Thanks bud. There wasn't a temptation to push given how far ahead the runners in front of me were.

Nice run -- I've been thinking of stretching my non-race runs out from 5k to 3.25 or 3.5 miles, just to make the 5k races seem a bit shorter.

metsmarathon
Jul 31 2010 09:39 AM
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the beast is slayed! i just rocked that shit in 60 minutes flat, or 7:19 pace. I actaully feel like I saved a little in my tank. Not much, mind you - my quads were fairly shot by the end! But I prolly could've pushed harder had I studied my mile markers a little better.


And now I rest until about 3.

themetfairy
Jul 31 2010 09:57 AM
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WTG mm - that's fabulous!

Which makes my accomplishment today look much smaller. But I gutted out 12 miles, which gives me 117 miles for the month of July, and 601.7 miles for the year so far.

It'll probably be a week and a half before I have another long run, so I wanted to get a solid one in today. Even without the humidity it felt hot after a while, so I'm pleased with my work today.

Rockin' Doc
Jul 31 2010 10:37 AM
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Great job marathon. Best of luck to you and your team the remainder of the race.

Today I went out in pursuit of 5 miles in 40 minutes. I went out fast and was happy to see that I felt pretty good considering I had 4 rum cocktails last night during the Mets game. I was able to break the 25 minute barrier for 5K with a personal best of 24:55. From there, I kept a steady pace the rest of the way and ended up running 4.98 miles in my 40 minutes. Just short of my goal, but I can't say that I'm disappointed with my effort or result. I ended up running 15 days in July and did 61.32 miles for the month.

If all goes as planned, I hope to stretch it out to a 45 minute run on Monday evening after work.

themetfairy
Jul 31 2010 10:52 AM
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Well done RD!

Chad Ochoseis
Jul 31 2010 10:53 AM
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Congratulations on keeping it to just four rum cocktails during last night's fiasco!

And nice run, too.

metsmarathon
Jul 31 2010 03:50 PM
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Well, swithching every mile worked pretty well. Our exchanges weren't exact by a long shot - thanks to the support vehicle getting stuck in traffic, my 2nd 'mile' was over 3 miles long.

The Second Spitter
Aug 02 2010 12:22 AM
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Question for Coach Eminem:
How long before a 10 mile race would you stop training? (IOW what is the minimun days rest for the race)?

themetfairy
Aug 02 2010 06:52 AM
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I'm not mm, but a taper is a gradual thing. You want to peak at your training about three weeks in advance of the race, and then gradually diminish your mileage. The week before the race you should do light running (2-3 miles) every other day, give or take.

When is the big race?

metsmarathon
Aug 02 2010 07:32 AM
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for this weekend's craziness - a saturday race, i had a scaled back hard day on wednesday, then a day of regular running - not really pushing the pace, but not really holding back either, neither particularly long nor particularly short distancewise, either - on wednesday. on thursday, i had a fairly easy day, but mixed in a little bit of speed just to keep my legs loose and fresh. it was also a good excuse to get a good post-run stretch going. friday was an off day, and race on saturday.

the specific details are:
tuesday- 6x400m @ 5:54
wednesday - 5 miles @ 8:16
thursday - 4 miles @ 7:31 (8:00 mile, 7:00 mile, easy quarter mile. 8 minutes rest to prepare for the mile repeats in the wildcard segment of saturday's race. 7 minute mile. 8:00ish pace 3/4 mile)
friday - off
saturday - crazy race

i'd say your last really hard day should be the middle of the week prior. 7 days before the race, you might want to do a nice long slow distance run, or something shorter, but still relatively slow, depending on how fresh your legs feel. (last weekend my legs were tired, s oi didn't go very long) you want to mix in a little bit of faster running in the days leading up to the race, but nothing that will really tire you out. you don't want to shut down too much or your legs will get heavier and slower. you don't want them to forget how to run fast. so keep them primed with a little faster running, say, 4 days before the race, and then just a smidge of faster running (a discontinuous mile or two at race pace, maybe) 2 days before, but here you absolutely do not want to push hard enough to get tired. the day before, either rest, or run lightly, just enough to give yourself an excuse to stretch afterwards.

for a marathon, none of this applies. at least not on the same timescale. the general principles are still fairly valid, it just takes two or three weeks instead of just the one. with the marathon you're not pushing the pace so much, so you don't have to worry about keeping the legs fast. its much more there about keeping them fresh and rested. speaking from experience, nothing sucks more than starting a marathon knowing your legs are already tired.

themetfairy
Aug 02 2010 07:50 AM
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Thanks mm!

themetfairy
Aug 02 2010 08:52 AM
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I did my weekly 2-mile incline run on the treadmill this morning (I start at 1.5 and up the incline every quarter mile, plus I up it a little extra in the final quarter mile so that I finish somewhere between 6 and 7). I hate doing it, and I procrastinated for ages. After the Marathon, as G-d is my witness, I will never run inclines again.

But this is the training that prepared me for the hills of Bermuda in January, and I figure it'll prepare me for the hills of Central Park in 97 days. Plus now that I've done it, I feel great.

Even better - I don't have to do it again for another week :)

metsmarathon
Aug 02 2010 02:34 PM
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man, what a day saturday was!

i had planned on getting to bed on friday night around 9 or so, but didn't ultimately touch head to pillow until after 11. packing and such took longer than i was expecting, as it always does. woke up at 3:30 am, loaded the car with all my supplies, and everything mrs.mm and minimm would need for the weekend. finally left the house at 4:20 for the drive down to bridgewater to meet up with the rest of the team. i loaded my supplies into our two race support vehicles, kissed the wife and kid goodbye, and off we went to milford, nj.

as a team, we checked in, and saw off our first runner, who entered the fray alongside a handful of other runners at 7:20 am. my van went ahead to the end of the first stage, as we had the runner for the second stage aboard. once the exchange was made from active to passive runner, we packed up again, and ventured forth to provide assistance to our runner. every 2nd mile we stopped, pulled off hte road, and one or two of us jumped out of the van to offer gatorade and water to the runner. the other van had done the same for the first leg. we'd play leapfrog with the vans for the rest of the day, dropping off a runner, supporting him for his race, and then heading off to the end of the next leg.

so as i've mentioned, my first leg was the so-called beast. the first 3/4 mile was nice and flat, on the sidewalks along hte main drag in quaint lambertville. then it takes a turn and climbs up a big hill, 200' in the first mile, about 140 or so more in the next mile, then it gradually descends, with a half mile long 80' hill stuck in there for good measure at around 5.5 miles.

now, typically i scout these things out in advance so that i can get a feel for where my mile markers are. but i had misjudged where the start was in my planning, so i really had no idea where anything was, how far i'd gone, how much i had left, and how fast i was going. i did take the first mile easy to save some energy. then when the hill came, i just kept pushing up up up.

i was actually expecting it to be steeper. turns out, it was no worse than the practice hills i'd run last week. just a little longer and taller. so it wasn't the kind of hill that would stop you dead in your tracks - it would just slowly grind you down, chew you up, and spit you back out.

after the bulk of the climbing was done, at about 2.5 miles, my team was waiting for me with a bottle each of gatorade and water. i made the mistake of trying to run with teh gatorade for a few steps, succeeding in choking on it far moreso than actually drinking it. while i was rather happy to have the refreshment, it did pretty much throw off my focus for at least the next half mile. but finally, my throat felt fine, and i was no longer breathing in a fine mist of electrolyte-laden sugar water. i don't think it slowed me all too much.

finally, i reach the summit, for my second water stop. i realize now that i should've asked my team for the mileage only after i've passed them. also, at the start of my run, i had failed to start my watch. after the prior runner had tagged me (i was half expecting to have to carry a baton) in the exchange zone, in the excitement, i didn't hit my watch. a block later, i realized the fact, looked down, noticing that the time was then 10:01, and thought that i had hit the proper sequence of buttons to trigger the chronometer. i hadn't. i think i needed to wait a second or two after i got it in the right mode to then be allowed to hit "start"

i realized this a minute or so later when i looked down to see the time of day again being displayed, and not my elapsed time. at 10:05, i started the watch again. this time, successfully.

so between not really having an accurate time, and not knowing my mile markers, i had no idea where i was in the race.

at mile 5.5, there's that second incline. at the base of it, my team was waiting with my last water stop. i asked how far i'd gone, and was told "about 2.5ish to go". which was technically correct, but not really helpful to me at the time. that second incline hurt. moreso than the big hill. i felt myself appreciably slow down, and had to muster myself to get back into the run. my quads were getting heavy halfway up it. i knew this hill was here, but i think i expected it to not be as steep, and just be more of a sneaky hill, which it was definitely not. once i got back on the downhill, i knew that there was no more up. i just didnt really know how much more down there was. so instead of trying to push pace or anything, i stayed locked into a super-cruise.

my finish line was route 31. when i reached it, i waved across to my teammate on the other side. he waved back and began his leg. this was one of two non-contact exchanges in the race.

my watch said 54:57. a few seconds and a press of a button later, it told me 11:00. so i figure the whole leg took 59:30, give or take 30 seconds. 7:20ish pace. nice. i had figured that my upper limit on pace for this leg was 7:15, and i was definitely close enough. my quads were tired, but my calves were good.


i would run again at about 3:30.

it was definitely warming up as the day went on. i'm not sure how hot it was when i started the first leg, but midway through it, i really started to feel the heat. it wasn't too much of a factor in my running, but it sure did affect our mid-day runners. i think it got up to about 87 degrees during the day, having climbed steadily from a rather humid 65.

over the next several hours, we played leapfrog with our fellow runners, handing out lots of beverage; i also snapped a bunch of photos.

finally, its time to run again. i hop out of the van and make my way to the exchange zone. the plan is for me to run a mile, and then handoff to the other runner who was sharing the wildcards, who would also run a mile while i get driven ahead to the end of his mile. in comes the stage 9 runner, and off i go. i figure i'll try to take it a little easy getting started, since i'd just spent four hours cooped up in a van after having run a rather difficult 8 miles. not really the most ideal conditions. my goal is to run 7 minute miles, but i've got no real ability o gauge my pace anymore. perceived effort is usually a good way to do this, but after the morning, i don't really trust it. i figure, i'll just go fast for going comfortably, easing into a more rapid pace as i go. if the first mile is too easy, i can always go faster. if its too hard, i could be in trouble. i see my teammate, and handoff to him just before my watch hits 9 minutes. i don't really know how far i went, but it felt easy. i had printed out maps of each mile, but i didn’t know where the starting point was, so they were of limited utility. after i ran the second mile repeat, i realized i could use them retrocctively, to mark where we ultimately did exchange, irrespective of where we 'should' have exchanged. turns out, i had run 1.27 miles there, for a 6:58 pace.

my first two miles go well. the second one is a little faster, and i accidentally hit the start button twice when i was finished. But I think the time on it was about 6:47. i hopped in the van after the exchange, and we drove on down the road. in a half mile, we got stuck in traffic. ahead, about a mile up the road, is the intersection with route 33, with a long, fast light. and the extra 300 vehicles from the race were definitely putting a strain on the infrastructure. not wanting our guy to pass us and have to run extra, i hop out of the van with the plan of walking a bit to stay loose, and maybe put on some distance between the van and me. no sooner do i cross the street than i see him coming. realizing his mile is cut short, he speeds up, and then off i go.

i get to the route 33 intersection and stop. it’s a mandatory 2-minute stop for all teams. apparently if you get to rte 33 just as it turns red, you have to wait 2 minutes for the green. and if you get there sometime after that, you are allowed to cross the highway, but still have to wait a total of two minutes, so that no team has an advantage in how they timed the lights. the rest is much enjoyed, but all too brief. it also did little to advance the position of our van. i continue on. i start to look at my watch, and notice that the elapsed time on this leg is rapidly approaching 20 minutes, and i'm still running it as if the van could show up any second. i tell myself, "ok, at 24 minutes, i'll stop and walk a minute, and then start up again". wouldn't you know it, but as my watch shows 24 minutes, there's the van. i had slowed a little towards the end, but still ran well over 3 miles in 24:41, including the two minute stop.

we got back onto our regular mile repeats, and they went well, with no real issues the rest of the way.

i had run the following times
1.27 8:58
1.03 6:47
3.2 22:41
1.11 7:40
1.13 8:12
0.96 6:59
for a total of 8.7 miles is this wildcard segment. my buddy ran 5. if i take the 2 minute stop out of the calculation, i ran those 8.7 miles at a 7:03 pace. i ran the full 16.78 miles in about 2:01:17, for an average pace of 7:14 or so.

not too shabby at all.

we finished the race at 7:20 pm, 12 hoursafter we had started, which was basically our goal. it was a ton of fun, and i'm already looking forward to next year. the only downside is, because of the issues we had with trying to find runners at the last minute, we missed out on getting official t-shirts. so boo. not that i need more t-shirts, but still. woulda been cool to have.

at the finish, minimm and mrs.mm were there waiting. we wandered onto the beach, celebrated a bit, had some pizza, and then off we went, into the night.

it was a tremendously long day, but it didn't feel like it at the time. i was worried hte riding around in the vans would feel endless and boring, but by supporting the other runners, it moved along nicely. and for a late july day, the weather was pretty good. granted, sunday's clouds and showers would've been nicer, but i'll take sub-90s with a cool morning!

for the record, i finish july with 164.59 miles, bringing me to 755 on the year.

i ran today for 4 miles, and man, are my legs tired. hammies mostly, with a little bit of quad soreness. surprisingly, despite the hill, my calves and achilles are doing just fine.

i have a softball game tonight, and i'm probably going to be awful. i'm playing the outfield, here i'm especially bad at judging at'em balls, particularly in the twilight. and i'll be remarkably unable to chase anything down today. but our regular first-and third-basemen are here, so my other potential landing spots are taken. though, i'm probably happy not to have to bend down for grounder, either. i just have to warmup and stretch real good before the game. and then hope for no lefties.

themetfairy
Aug 02 2010 02:44 PM
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That was a great description and account of the race - Kudos mm!

As for running Saturday morning, things definitely did heat up. I ran 12 miles - it was lovely at the start, but by the time I hit 9 or 10 miles I was wilting! What you and your teammates did under those conditions was simply amazing.

The Second Spitter
Aug 02 2010 03:19 PM
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Good stuff tmf...

The race is this Sunday - I've given up all hope of running a decent time -- only had my stitches removed yesterday (couldn't get sweaty with them for fear of infection) which means I haven't done a proper run in about 12 days - my goal for Sunday is survival. Thanks all for your advice.

themetfairy
Aug 02 2010 03:20 PM
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The Second Spitter wrote:
Good stuff tmf...

The race is this Sunday - I've given up all hope of running a decent time -- only had my stitches removed yesterday (couldn't get sweaty with them for fear of infection) which means I haven't done a proper run in about 12 days - my goal for Sunday is survival. Thanks all for your advice.


Survival is a fine goal. Have fun with the race, and be satisfied with finishing the very challenging course. Don't worry about your time - just have fun with it!

themetfairy
Aug 02 2010 03:23 PM
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This just arrived in the mail. I'm looking forward to reading it and getting advice on how to run a marathon when you haven't been blessed with speed.

The Second Spitter
Aug 02 2010 03:31 PM
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themetfairy wrote:
The Second Spitter wrote:


Survival is a fine goal. Have fun with the race, and be satisfied with finishing the very challenging course. Don't worry about your time - just have fun with it!


No worries and thanks -- I'll be back next year harder, better, faster, stronger (but not Leiter, Wagner!).

Fman99
Aug 02 2010 03:48 PM
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metsmarathon wrote:
man, what a day saturday was!


Sounds like fun!

I'm going to try and extend my runs out to 3.5-4 miles, to shorten up those 5k races come race day. Today I ran 3.25 miles and was able to maintain a typical for me 5k pace for the extended distance, finishing at 25:23 or a 7:49 pace. I think I'll stick to that distance this week and then open it up to 3.5 mile runs next week. My next race is Sunday August 15th, another cross country run.

metsmarathon
Aug 03 2010 09:19 PM
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this is why i run. so the ladies can check me out.



also, for sights like this:



but wait! am i talking about the beard... or the shorty-shorts... you decide...

Rockin' Doc
Aug 04 2010 01:36 PM
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I just got back from my annual physical and the results are a testament to the virtues of physical exercise. My blood pressure was excellent and my resting heart rate was significantly reduced from last year. My overall cholesterol was improved and my ratio of HDL/LDL was significantly improved. My triglycerides levels were dramatically lower. Considering I was very healthy and took no medications previously, my physician felt my improvements were quite remarkable.

Needless to say, I was ecstatic with the results of my labwork and physical. I think I'll celebrate with a trip to the gym in a little bit.

themetfairy
Aug 04 2010 02:04 PM
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WTG RD!

Rockin' Doc
Aug 04 2010 04:19 PM
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I celebrated my good checkup with a brisk 40 minute run. Set a personal best of 24:46 for 5K and ultimately did 5.02 miles in the 40 minutes. My times are slowly, but steadily improving.

Congratulations to Fman on hitting his goal weight. I hate to say how much I weigh, but I substantially outweigh you even though I'm probably 6 inches, or more, shorter in height. I don't exactly have a typical runners physique, I'm built more along the lines of a fire hydrant.

Fman99
Aug 04 2010 07:42 PM
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Rockin' Doc wrote:
I celebrated my good checkup with a brisk 40 minute run. Set a personal best of 24:46 for 5K and ultimately did 5.02 miles in the 40 minutes. My times are slowly, but steadily improving.

Congratulations to Fman on hitting his goal weight. I hate to say how much I weigh, but I substantially outweigh you even though I'm probably 6 inches, or more, shorter in height. I don't exactly have a typical runners physique, I'm built more along the lines of a fire hydrant.


Thanks Doc. Congratz to you on your verified improved health.

Frayed Knot
Aug 04 2010 07:49 PM
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Rockin' Doc wrote:
Needless to say, I was ecstatic with the results of my labwork and physical. I think I'll celebrate with a trip to the gym in a little bit.


Fuck that. Go with the ice cream and bourbon.

Rockin' Doc
Aug 04 2010 10:22 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
Rockin' Doc wrote:
Needless to say, I was ecstatic with the results of my labwork and physical. I think I'll celebrate with a trip to the gym in a little bit.


Fuck that. Go with the ice cream and bourbon.


Well, vacation does start on Friday evening. I expect there will be some ice cream and substantial quantities of beer and bourbon.

The Second Spitter
Aug 05 2010 08:06 AM
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Good news everybody: I dropped a 30kg dumbell on foot and broke my toe. I'm gutted.

Fman99
Aug 05 2010 08:07 AM
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The Second Spitter wrote:
Good news everybody: I dropped a 30kg dumbell on foot and broke my toe. I'm gutted.


Wow, that blows. Feel better.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Aug 05 2010 08:13 AM
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The Second Spitter wrote:
Good news everybody: I dropped a 30kg dumbell on foot and broke my toe. I'm gutted.


LOL.

(just kidding)

July was already my runniest month of the year when I came down with that fever and lung thing 2 weeks ago. I got over that last week only to start experiencing weird abdomen pains that have also kept my activity low.

I thought it was reaction to meds, but it didn't go away. Saw Doc yesterday and they think maybe gallstones, getting a test in a few days to know for sure. So I'm fucked too.

themetfairy
Aug 05 2010 08:23 AM
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The Second Spitter wrote:
Good news everybody: I dropped a 30kg dumbell on foot and broke my toe. I'm gutted.


Oh no! That's horrible :(

Can you defer your registration for the race until next year?

themetfairy
Aug 05 2010 08:24 AM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Good news everybody: I dropped a 30kg dumbell on foot and broke my toe. I'm gutted.


LOL.

(just kidding)

July was already my runniest month of the year when I came down with that fever and lung thing 2 weeks ago. I got over that last week only to start experiencing weird abdomen pains that have also kept my activity low.

I thought it was reaction to meds, but it didn't go away. Saw Doc yesterday and they think maybe gallstones, getting a test in a few days to know for sure. So I'm fucked too.


Feel better Lunchie!

The Second Spitter
Aug 05 2010 08:41 AM
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Good news everybody: I dropped a 30kg dumbell on foot and broke my toe. I'm gutted.


Oh no! That's horrible :(

Can you defer your registration for the race until next year?


No - I'm honestly starting believe I'm cursed*. However, if anyone here wants to run in my place, I'll give them the rego for free -- I'll even throw-in a ride from the airport.

*I looked up the Mets record after I started posting here in June the other day, but was too ashamed to post it.

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:


July was already my runniest month of the year when I came down with that fever and lung thing 2 weeks ago. I got over that last week only to start experiencing weird abdomen pains that have also kept my activity low.

I thought it was reaction to meds, but it didn't go away. Saw Doc yesterday and they think maybe gallstones, getting a test in a few days to know for sure. So I'm fucked too.




(Just kidding)

Fman99
Aug 06 2010 07:49 PM
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Continuing my process of extending my runs I put a 3.5 mile in today at a bit more leisurely pace of 8:13/mile finishing at 28:54. Feeling good, and trying to figure out how to get my running in while we're vacationing this week.

The Second Spitter
Aug 08 2010 06:17 AM
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Results from this morning's City2Surf
Winning time - 41:05 (for a 9 mile course of that difficulty, that's phenomenal)
Winning chick- 46:58
Person I gave my rego to - 61:15
Person I made an 100 buck bet with - 65:46 (he's not going to enforce the bet on compassion grounds, its quite fortunate that I got injured cos he would have kick my ass)
Miss D - 74:25 (More than likely would have suffered the indignity of losing to her too)

Btw, there were 80,000+ runners out there this morning, somebody told me that was a world record.

themetfairy
Aug 09 2010 08:44 AM
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I put in 3.8 miles today in 43:27. I know that's not impressive, but it's my best run in weeks, despite the heat and humidity. I'm pretty proud of myself for getting my ass in gear in this muck!

metsmarathon
Aug 09 2010 09:52 AM
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sigh. i am such an addict.

this weekend mrs.mm and i were visiting with her parents, heretofore dubbed the mmils. they've been bamboozled into the marathoning life as well, and were discussing the 2011 walt disney world marathon. they're leaning towards doing it, and if so we'll be joining them down there. and as we're discussing it, the only thing that keeps rattling through my mind as "ooh, i should do goofy*!"

mind you, my plan this year is not to run any marathons, and instead to work on building speed and speedy distance. and while i am actullay planning to follow a very strenuous marathon training program, i'm specifically not running a marathon at its conclusion so as not to beat myself into a bloody pulp and force a long recovery time. rather i hope to roll from the marathon training back down into some dedicated speed training, and then ride that wave into an early fall (and preferably downhill) marathon next year. one major key to the grand scheme is to avoid having the pesky coincidence of marathon recovery and midwinter doldrums - if i can run through january and february, i should be in great shape, as it were.

so running a marathon would really fly right in the face of that plan. doing goofy* even moreso.

doing goofy* would also be a bit of a logistical nightmare with minimm along for the trip, as it would require multiple stupid-early 3:00am attempts at getting ready for a race and out of a hotel room without disturbing either a sleeping infant, or the sleeping infant's mother - either of which would be a bad, bad idea!

we're still waiting for the mmil's to decide their own fate. i think they're leaning towards running the full. they're a bit concerned that if they don't do it this year, they might lose momentum and not again return to the ranks of the marathoners. once they sign up, i'll spring into action, and enter the half, which should be a relatively low-impact way for me to test my training progress. in the meantime, i'm hoping goofy fills up* so as to remove what lingering temptation may remain. my temptation is somewhat tempered by the notion that doing goofy* costs about 25% more than the sum total of the two separate races, which makes no sense to me whatsoever and is just a blatant cash-grab that i hope blows up in their damned mouse-ear-wearing faces.

*the goofy's race and a half challenge - half marathon on saturday, marathon on sunday - thing that i've done thrice already, not the character or someone dressed in his costume - that's just gross!

TransMonk
Aug 09 2010 10:22 AM
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Alright runners, this may have been covered earlier in this thread, but 60 pages is a lot to go through.

I want to start running more this fall/winter and I'm looking for recommendations on what type or brand of shoe to buy. Money is really not an object as I'm not opposed to spending to get a nice pair of shoes...but if I'm going to spend the moolah, I'd like to have a clue as to what I'm buying.

Any thoughts?

metsmarathon
Aug 09 2010 11:03 AM
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the responsible answer is not to answer. :p

find a good local running store (if hte store's website lists all teh marathons the staff has run/won, that's not a bad place to try) or your local branch of roadrunnersports, and get fit by an expert. ideally, they'll have a treadmill for you to run on while they intently watch your biomechanics, and may also have a pressure pad for you to walk across. the pressure pad will reveal not only your arch type but also your level of pronation. this will be a primary indicator as to whether you should get neutral, stability, or motion control shoes. but the evidence from teh treadmill should be the cincher.

the prices at a running store tend to be a tad bit higher (like $5-$10) than you might find at a "sporting goods" store but the level of help will be distinctly lacking. you can't just go and grab any old shoe off the shelf, no matter how good it looks, or who else you know wears it. that can end up being an expensive mistake - not for the $80-$120 you might be wasting on a shoe that you'll hate and can't return, but because you might end up hurting yourself, or just significantly demotivating yourself from continuing to run.

oh. another good thing to look for in a running store is a return policy. roadrunnersports will actually let you wear the shoes, use them, even get them dirty, for like 30 days, and if you're unhappy with them you can still return them, though that might only apply if you're a "vip", which costs some nominal fee but also entitles you to some discounts, ooh, and weekly emails! other running stores you can probably get a week or two of treadmill use to see how they fit and feel before they'll no longer take them back.

fit and feel can vary tremendously from brand to brand, and model to model, even though the shoes are the same type (that neutral, stability, or motion control thing again).

i like asics, personally. i like the way my toes rolls smoothly forward when i push off with each step ,and with other brands i've tried, like brooks and saucony, the toe-off feels more abrupt and sharp. i've had some models rub on my pinkie toe, but that was a while ago. i've typically run in their gel-1000 series, which is a stability shoe, if barely. its also nigh-impossible to find in a running store, as its kindof low tech. currently i'm in the nimbus, which is a neutral shoe with lots of cushioning. (i had a coupon for a running store, which didn't carry my shoe, so i decided to give these a try.) i think i like them, but i might go back. depends on how they feel when htey start to wear out, i guess.

themetfairy
Aug 09 2010 11:36 AM
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mm - you know you want to do it! But having done it thrice, the wise thing to do would be the half marathon and then stick to your training plan. You have nothing to prove to anyone, and by supporting your in-laws during their marathon you'll ultimately have a more relaxing experience with your little one (who should be at a wonderful age to see WDW - he'll really adore it!).

TM - I'll reiterate what mm recommended. Go to a good running store (I swear by Road Runner Sports, and their VIP prices far outweigh the cost of the membership) and have your feet and stride analyzed there. Then try on the shoes they recommend and see what fits the best. I personally am a New Balance girl because they are cut wide - no matter how much weight I lose, the bones on my wide feet aren't getting any smaller But see what feels best to you.

TransMonk
Aug 09 2010 12:45 PM
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Thanks for the responses guys. Having my feet and stride analyzed does sound like a good idea. I don't have Road Runner Sports where I am, but I'll call around to see if I can find a place that can do those things.

Like I said, I have no problem paying higher prices, I just want the shoes to be the best they can be for me.

themetfairy
Aug 09 2010 12:55 PM
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A friend of mine had a similar shoe analysis done in the City at a place called Jack Rabbit Sports - http://jackrabbitsports.com/

If you find a shoe that you like (and you'll know it when you like it. D-Dad says I get a certain smile on my face only when I try on a running shoe that feels really good), you can order replacements online from Road Runner Sports. I have dealt with them online a few times, and they are very reliable (and it's worth getting the VIP membership because then you get free shipping).

TransMonk
Aug 09 2010 01:05 PM
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Found a local one.

I'll probably go this weekend. Thanks guys!

themetfairy
Aug 09 2010 01:07 PM
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Cool - best of luck TM!

themetfairy
Aug 11 2010 12:53 PM
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I cross trained today. The exercise bike is boring as shit, but I got through 48 minutes (at least I had The Daily Show and The Colbert Report to keep me distracted). I would have preferred running, but my glute and knee were calling out for a break.

metsmarathon
Aug 11 2010 01:48 PM
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assuming the seat is comfortable enough (certainly not a guarantee!) i actually find the exercise bike to be less boring than the treadmill. at least on a bike, i can read. presuming there's an interesting enough book in my hand (that i don't mind getting all sweated up), i don't really notice the time passing by.

Fman99
Aug 11 2010 08:37 PM
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metsmarathon wrote:
sigh. i am such an addict.

this weekend mrs.mm and i were visiting with her parents, heretofore dubbed the mmils. they've been bamboozled into the marathoning life as well, and were discussing the 2011 walt disney world marathon. they're leaning towards doing it, and if so we'll be joining them down there. and as we're discussing it, the only thing that keeps rattling through my mind as "ooh, i should do goofy*!"


I'm sorry, but every time I read this I pictured you fucking a puppet.

Ran a personal best 5k time of 23:22 today and I felt totally great afterwards. Up and down hills and maintained my pace at a level I was happy with. My first quarter was a 1:50 and my 2.5-2.75 mile quarter was a 1:53. Slowed down a touch at the end but very happy with my splits today. And that was after a five day layoff.

themetfairy
Aug 11 2010 09:17 PM
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WTG on the PR!

marathon - thanks for the suggestion!

The Second Spitter
Aug 11 2010 11:28 PM
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Fman99 wrote:
[
Ran a personal best 5k time of 23:22 today and I felt totally great afterwards. .


Juicer.

mm- check your pm. (Hey I'm a poet!)

metsmarathon
Aug 12 2010 07:24 AM
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ooh, i never get those - how exciting!

themetfairy
Aug 12 2010 11:06 AM
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Had a crap 3.2 mile run on the treadmill today.

I didn't eat well for training yesterday (although I ate well for the scale). I guess beers at the game don't count for carbing up....

themetfairy
Aug 13 2010 04:47 PM
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I love getting new running shoes :)



Don't you love that they're blue and orange?

Fman99
Aug 13 2010 08:16 PM
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Beh, wanted to run today (great weather up here) but got a mean muscle spasm in my neck this morning. Won't run tomorrow either, saving my strength for a 5k around a lake race Sunday morning. Usually these spasms play themselves out in about 48 hours so I should be good to go.

themetfairy
Aug 13 2010 09:04 PM
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Feel better Fman. The CPF Running Club needs you!

metsmarathon
Aug 13 2010 09:54 PM
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the past three or four nights, my left calf has woken me with a massive cramp. the kind where about the only thing you can do is writhe about and curse and then try very hard to relax the muscle despite the blistering pain...

last night i woke up just as it was about to trigger, and managed somehow to stop it before it really got going.

its probably because i have been skipping stretching post-run this week...

what's weird is, usually after one such cramp, my calf is so damned tired and sore that i can't really run on it the next day. not so this week - i've actually gotten some good runs in, including a good hard 5 mile fartlek workout yesterday.

themetfairy
Aug 14 2010 05:16 AM
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Ouch!

Eat some bananas; get your potassium intake up!

Fman99
Aug 14 2010 05:37 AM
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themetfairy wrote:
Feel better Fman. The CPF Running Club needs you!


Thanks friend. Feeling better this morning, still stiff but no pain. I should be good to go by tomorrow for the Upstate Chriopractic Beaver Lake 5k Run.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Aug 14 2010 05:51 AM
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metsmarathon wrote:
the past three or four nights, my left calf has woken me with a massive cramp. the kind where about the only thing you can do is writhe about and curse and then try very hard to relax the muscle despite the blistering pain...

last night i woke up just as it was about to trigger, and managed somehow to stop it before it really got going.


This happens fairly frequently to me too, though I am pretty good by now at stopping the spasm before it starts. I've always thought this was a sign of fatigue and/or dehydration. Water and bananas.

themetfairy
Aug 14 2010 08:33 AM
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I gutted out another 12 miles today in 2:33:59. I'd love to stretch it further, but I just didn't have it in me today.

85 days until the Marathon....

DocTee
Aug 14 2010 03:00 PM
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Best leg cramp cure: place foot flat on cold surface (bedroom floor, bedroom wall) and its gone-- almost instantly.

Try it-- and you can thank me in the morning.

Ran a personal best this morning, of 43:42 for a 4.75 mile course. For a guy who couldn't run ten minutes without stopping in May, I'll take it.

themetfairy
Aug 14 2010 03:44 PM
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Good work Doc!

TransMonk
Aug 14 2010 04:10 PM
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TransMonk wrote:
Found a local one.

I'll probably go this weekend. Thanks guys!

Checked out the store, they measured my feet, watched me walk and run and brought out several pairs for me to try. I decided on the Brooks Adrenaline GTS 10. I also bought some Superfeet insoles, as I tend to roll to the inside and they will support my heels and ankles a little better.

I'm super excited to start using them. I think these may turn out to be the most comfortable athletic shoe I've ever bought. Thanks for the advice.

themetfairy
Aug 14 2010 07:31 PM
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I'm glad that it worked out for you. Best of luck with the new shoes!

themetfairy
Aug 15 2010 09:28 AM
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I ran 5K in 35:09 in the new running shoes today, and felt really good out there :)

themetfairy
Aug 15 2010 12:55 PM
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12 weeks until the Marathon.

Eek!

Fman99
Aug 15 2010 01:08 PM
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Ran the Upstate Chiropractic Beaver Lake 5k Run in 25:20, finished 32nd out of about 120 runners. I think it was longer than 5k, most everyone was saying they were also 1-2 minutes off their best times. Still, a nice course and a cool t-shirt given out. More detailed report later.

themetfairy
Aug 15 2010 01:22 PM
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I hate races that aren't measured properly. But I'm glad you had fun despite that (a nice shirt goes a long way towards smoothing ruffled racing feathers ).

metsmarathon
Aug 16 2010 01:21 PM
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ugh. the air out there is so hot and heavy, it's not soupy, its stewy. i swear, i think there's chunks of moisture floating around out there.

and maybe a potato.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Aug 16 2010 09:26 PM
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Ran tonite for the first time in almost 4 weeks after getting sick followed by mysterious (but subsided) gut pains, made 6.1 slow miles before running out of gas.

themetfairy
Aug 16 2010 09:34 PM
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Welcome Back Lunchie!

Fman99
Aug 17 2010 06:17 AM
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This past Sunday I ran the 10th annual Upstate Chiropractic Beaver Lake 5k Run.

Beaver Lake Nature Center is a beautiful state park about 20 minutes west of where I live. Our family goes there every year the weekend after Labor Day for their Annual "Golden Harvest" Festival. They have a lot of smaller trails around this lake that are nice for nature walks. This race was once around a 3 mile loop that encircles the entire lake, with a little bit of extra distance tacked on at the beginning to make it a 5k.

I looked at last year's times and noticed that the winner of this 5k last year finished in just under 18 minutes. This is about two minutes slower than most of the other races I've run, and so I expected my finish time to be a bit slower than my practice runs.

The weather was overcast, a little muggy but mostly a nice day for running. I felt good going in, my back was still a bit tight but nothing serious.

After the race started the runners spread out into a thin line. There were about 120 runners, or so I estimated, and I fairly early on found my pace. I thought maybe I ran a little hard out of the box as I got tired early, like 6-7 minutes in, and dialed it back a bit.

I passed a few people in the first mile and then found myself alone in the woods, running, like Rudy from the movie "Meatballs." It was nice, actually. The trails were narrow and soft and often broken up by wooden plank-style boardwalks through the swampier parts of the trail.

No water breaks and no mile markers made it tough for me to know how I was doing, so I tried just to keep a steady pace. By the 20-22 minute mark I was getting caught and passed by a runner or two. I did my best to not let it affect my pace, but by the 22 minute mark or so I was gassed.

I hit the home stretch and saw that I was just crossing the 25 minute mark, as I could see the timers' clock from the clearing once I hit the end of the trail. I got caught by one last runner, an older gent with grayish hair, before crossing the finish line at 25:20. I finished 32nd out of 115 runners. My slowest race time of the year, two seconds slower than my first 5k in April.

Many of the other folks were saying the same thing after the race, that they were 1-2 minutes off their usual running pace. I suspect that the race is longer than 5k as I run that exact distance enough to know when I'm extending beyond it. Plus, the soft trails don't give you that same spring that pavement does. Anyway, it was a fun race and I'm looking forward to my next one, a week from Sunday, as it's a return to downtown Syracuse and good old street racing.

themetfairy
Aug 17 2010 06:25 AM
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Nice job Fman!

One nice thing about the GPS watch, when it works, is that it confirms these kind of mismeasurements.

Good luck in the Syracuse race :)

Rockin' Doc
Aug 17 2010 05:10 PM
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I returned to the gym this evening after work, for the first time since going on vacation on August 6th. The weight lifting session was decidedly tougher, but I was able to pick up wjhere I had left off. I hit the treadmill and decided to go for a shorter run due to my lay off. I decided to push it in hopes of getting setting a personal best for 5K. I tore (for me anyway) through the first mile in 7:53, but I was unable to maintain that pace for the duration. I eventually set a personal best of 24:13 for 5K which improves my previous best time by 33 seconds.

themetfairy
Aug 17 2010 05:47 PM
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Very nice work RD!

metsmarathon
Aug 17 2010 09:43 PM
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hills today. tough ones. did 6 reps of a 0.28 mile stretch of road that gradually gets steeper, going from sneaky hill to stop you dead in your tracks at the end. total elevation change of about 90 feet over that distance.

despite averaging about a 1:50 per rep (6:32 mile) i kinda felt a bit sluggish. they were tough though, and i'm probably giving myself too much credit to expect to have blasted up them faster.

these were way harder than my usual hill repeat, which takes me up only 50ish feet over 0.22 miles...

themetfairy
Aug 18 2010 08:59 AM
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That's impressive mm. Hills are my downfall - I'm in awe of you.

Today I ran 10K in 1:13:09. I'm happy with my time and how I ran. It was overcast and not horribly hot today, which made it easier to deal with the humidity.

Ceetar
Aug 18 2010 09:22 AM
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metsmarathon wrote:
hills today. tough ones. did 6 reps of a 0.28 mile stretch of road that gradually gets steeper, going from sneaky hill to stop you dead in your tracks at the end. total elevation change of about 90 feet over that distance.

despite averaging about a 1:50 per rep (6:32 mile) i kinda felt a bit sluggish. they were tough though, and i'm probably giving myself too much credit to expect to have blasted up them faster.

these were way harder than my usual hill repeat, which takes me up only 50ish feet over 0.22 miles...


I feel like this would destroy my shins if i tried it. As it is my shins were randomly feeling a sharp pain last week. don't know what that was about..

I didn't make it to the gym last week at all, so forced myself yesterday. I feel like all these random weeks of slacking off keep me from building up any endurance, was a struggle to get 2.5 miles in 30 minutes yesterday. And of course, the headache started in at about 9pm last night (although the Mets may have contributed as well) and i slept really really badly as a result.

Maybe I need to do the running more regularly, have my body acclimate to the overheating and the heartrate spikes more.. I do plan to go again after work today, but I convince myself not to go way too easily so you never know.

themetfairy
Aug 18 2010 10:21 AM
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Ceetar wrote:
hills today. tough ones. did 6 reps of a 0.28 mile stretch of road that gradually gets steeper, going from sneaky hill to stop you dead in your tracks at the end. total elevation change of about 90 feet over that distance.

despite averaging about a 1:50 per rep (6:32 mile) i kinda felt a bit sluggish. they were tough though, and i'm probably giving myself too much credit to expect to have blasted up them faster.

these were way harder than my usual hill repeat, which takes me up only 50ish feet over 0.22 miles...


I feel like this would destroy my shins if i tried it. As it is my shins were randomly feeling a sharp pain last week. don't know what that was about..

I didn't make it to the gym last week at all, so forced myself yesterday. I feel like all these random weeks of slacking off keep me from building up any endurance, was a struggle to get 2.5 miles in 30 minutes yesterday. And of course, the headache started in at about 9pm last night (although the Mets may have contributed as well) and i slept really really badly as a result.

Maybe I need to do the running more regularly, have my body acclimate to the overheating and the heartrate spikes more.. I do plan to go again after work today, but I convince myself not to go way too easily so you never know.


Whoa - you're infringing on my territory. Nobody is allowed to be as slow as I am!

Get back out there and train!

But train smart. If you're building endurance, you may be better off going out there every other day for a few weeks, and then build up from there.

Ceetar
Aug 18 2010 11:48 AM
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Well, given the bad habit of mine to just not go, I've decided to aim for going every day. (well at least, every weekday) This way even if I only have a 60% motivation rate, i'll still get there three times. I think I need more reps, more 3-4x a week attempts, and i think back to back days, particularly after 11 days, might help me in some ways. Also, yesterday was really slow regardless, so even though I felt like i was pushing hard, maybe I wasn't and maybe I should try to do so today, see how my body responds, etc. Maybe I'll do a lighter/shorter distance, maybe try more of a hill but less of distance, and focus on weights a little since I skimped on that yesterday.

Ultimately i wonder if i'm just not cut out to run. I can't seem to ever maintain a pace and just run at that pace the entire, or even more than 2-3 minutes, time. It's all starts and stops and even if I tried to run at my overall rate of ~5.5mph, i can't seem to keep it at that for 30 minutes.

themetfairy
Aug 18 2010 01:20 PM
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I'm sure you're cut out to run. Endurance can be built (I'm the poster child for that!), but it does take time.

Keep at it, run smart, and don't judge yourself too harshly. I'm sure that over time you'll improve :)

metsmarathon
Aug 18 2010 06:45 PM
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remember to relax your breathing while you're running. easiest way to convince yourself that you can't run is to breathe too hard and get yourself all out of breath. i speak from experience here.

i finally got myself to focus on inhaling for, iirc, two foot falls with each leg, and exhaling the same. it actually serves two purposes. one is to slow your breathing. the other is to give your mind something to focus on. this was one of the most important things i learned in running.

i also like to make sure i'm one treadmill deep from the nearest wall, just so i've got something a little more distant to focus my eyes on. the only time i get claustrophobic (aside from when i'm trapped between large airplane passengers and have a third passenger reclining just in front of me) is when i'm on a treadmill and am too close to the walls.

getting a groove running is at least as much mental as it is physical.

themetfairy
Aug 20 2010 09:52 AM
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Curt Schilling's got nothing on me -



I was running this morning, and my fucking Garmin Forerunner 405 was fucking fritzing out on me again. While I was furiously tapping the bezel to try to get the time/distance display to show again, I tripped and skinned my knee. What's more, this is the pair of shoes I was breaking in for the Marathon. Not that I expected them to remain pristine, but shit!

I hate Garmin....

But I did finish my 10 mile run, so that's a positive.

This is the sign of a real athlete, isn't it?

Ceetar
Aug 20 2010 10:01 AM
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metsmarathon wrote:
remember to relax your breathing while you're running. easiest way to convince yourself that you can't run is to breathe too hard and get yourself all out of breath. i speak from experience here.

i finally got myself to focus on inhaling for, iirc, two foot falls with each leg, and exhaling the same. it actually serves two purposes. one is to slow your breathing. the other is to give your mind something to focus on. this was one of the most important things i learned in running.

i also like to make sure i'm one treadmill deep from the nearest wall, just so i've got something a little more distant to focus my eyes on. the only time i get claustrophobic (aside from when i'm trapped between large airplane passengers and have a third passenger reclining just in front of me) is when i'm on a treadmill and am too close to the walls.

getting a groove running is at least as much mental as it is physical.


My nose has actually been acting up all week, to the point of extreme sneezy/sniffly yesterday and today. (I forgot my gym bag today anyway) so that likely had a big effect.

What's the best way to breath? long deep breathes? Through the nose? Is there a specific way of breathing that helps combat cramps better?

the treadmills at the gym all face the parking lot/windows. I can watch the cars come and go and people going into McDonalds. The better ones are in teh front row though, which makes watching the tvs not easy. I've been meaning to get a blue tooth headset to hook up tto my iPod so i can watch video, but I haven't. I find it hard to have any complex thoughts besides calculating my time and how much I need to be running to get to my goal.

and themetfairy: ouch!

themetfairy
Aug 20 2010 10:10 AM
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Thanks Ceetar.

Fman99
Aug 20 2010 10:20 AM
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metsmarathon wrote:

i finally got myself to focus on inhaling for, iirc, two foot falls with each leg, and exhaling the same. it actually serves two purposes. one is to slow your breathing. the other is to give your mind something to focus on. this was one of the most important things i learned in running.


I do this also, measured breaths, same amount of paces in as out, etc. It's easier to focus on it if you're not listening to music, I've found.

metsmarathon
Aug 20 2010 11:37 AM
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themetfairy wrote:
What's more, this is the pair of shoes I was breaking in for the Marathon.


what's more broken in than blood-spattered?

themetfairy wrote:
This is the sign of a real athlete, isn't it?


mrs.mm: "if that's the case then i was definitely a real athlete in college!"

as far as breathing, yeah, relaxed breathing, longer breaths. not short powerful breaths like you'd have when you're lifting weights. you want to be pulling in more volume of air than you would just sitting there, but you don't want to waste too much energy on pulling in the air. i believe i'm a total mouth-breather when i'm running. i can never get enough volume going through my nose. i think the conventional recommendation is in through the nose out through the mouth, but do whatever takes the least effort to move the most air.

if you're feeling a bit stuffy (i have been a lot lately) i heartily recommend a stick of pepperminty gum. it helps to open up the airways, and keeps your mouth nice and fresh!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Aug 21 2010 04:51 PM
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If anyone is interested in participating, I'll be running in this 5K on Sunday, 9/12 in Wilmington, DE (Wifey Lunch may be running too, if we can arrange 30 minutes of supervision for Lunchpail).

Rockford Park is a very nice site, but the really nice thing is that it benefits childhood cancer research in honor of the son of old friends of mine who passed away at age 13 last year. He was a very big Mets/Jets fan (like his dad).

Deets:

[url]https://www.elleevance.com/Jacks5K2010/EventLandingPage.aspx

metsmarathon
Aug 21 2010 07:25 PM
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today i ran the first annual inferno 5k, in jefferson township, nj. i figured, first year race, in august, good chance for a sparse crowd and an age group award.

i should know better by now that in this area, even first year races draw very well. pretty sure there were close to 500 runners.

and there were definitely a lot of younger runners too - high school and some college looking guys.

normally, on race day i'm pretty geeked up. i get all excited about the race, with healthy amounts of nervous energy. not so much today. not entirely sure why. i think part of it was general sleepiness, and part of it was worry about whether i'd actually be able to run today. after tuesday's tough hill workout, i skipped stretching because i didnt really have the time to. on wednesday, i tried to run a nice easy 3 miles, but half a mile in my left achilles started to get sharp pains right in the middle of it. very weird. it recurred a few times before i pulled the plug on the run 100 yards later and walked home. i hadn't run since. and i was hoping that i'd rested it enough that it wouldn't recur. if it did, my day would basically be over. or worse.

also, on the way out the door, i totally forgot to grab not only a regular gatorade, but also one of those new gatorade prime thingies. i've been taking them prior to all my races this year, ever since they first appeared in my stop and shop, and i definitely like them.

so i get to teh start, wait in an interminable registration line - they only had 3 people handling day-of registration. ah, first-year logistics! the line took almost 15 minutes. ugh! but the volunteers appeared to know what tehy were doing, which is nice. there was no readily apparant rampant confusion.

it was a short walk to teh start from the registration area, including a rough gravel path and about 50' of irregular dirt path - which were both part of the course - so mrs.- & minimm couldn't join me at the start. they would instead wait by the finish.

normally i scout out my races a bit, to get a feel for the terrain, any hills, where the mile markers are, etc. i didn't really do that this time. it wasn't a big factor; it just shows my mindset i think. i did look at a map of the course, and also measured it out real quick on mapmyrun. the mile markers were a bit off from each other, and i got the mapmyrun markers stuck in my head. it wasn't off by much, really, and was probably due to the difference in going point-to-point on the roads instead of following the curves. mapmyrun had the course at 3.2 miles, but it was usatf certified, so i'll go along with the official metrics.

anyways. i line up for the race, and try to find a good spot on the line. i end up about three people deep from the front. just behind me bt off to the side a bit there are two tween girls. another runner nearby joked that you gotta watch out for the kids in races like this - they'll dart out at teh start, but come to a dead stop after a bit. which is a very true observation, except that instead of coming to a dead stop, teh come more to a wandering stop, increasing the danger they pose. as we chuckle, we notice a gaggle of other tween girls on the very periphery of the start area. uh oh. (i don't thin htey were in our race. there was a mile fun run immediately after ours, so they were probably in that.) we also notice the race photographer. a big, slow looking guy with a camera on a pole mount, in teh middle of teh road, 30' up from teh line. as the final announcements are made, we joke about the notion of him scrambling out of the way when tehy start teh race. on your marks. click. click. he's not going anywhere. go! siren! click! click! you've got to be kidding me! click! the dude is standing there with the camera, right in the middle of the road 30 feet from teh start of a 5k, with people sprinting and whizzing by. click! surely causing those a bit farther back in teh line to dodge around his bulky frame. click! i wouldn't be surprised if someone knocked him down. click!

well, that excitement behind me, the first mile was pretty flat, with one quick turn, a long gently winding road, and a few more turns in the final quarter mile. it might've been slightly uphill. i decide to push and make a concerted effort to join the back end of the lead pack. about three minutes in, i start thinking i wish i had figured out where the first half mile was, for pacing. it felt like i was going at a good clip, but i wasn't really sure. the pace i was running, while fast, wasn't as easy and glide-y as i would have liked it.

there's a quick downhill, and an older woman calling out times at the first mile. 5:27 (or thereabouts) she yells.

i should tell you that the fastest i've ever known myself to have run a mile in is 5:35, in the first mile of my last xc race in college. since then i've run a 6:01 and a 6:06.

if i didn't have my watch on, and running from the start, i'd probably be thinking 'holy shit! how the fuck did i do that!" and 'holy shit! i'm fucked for the rest of this thing!" but i had my watch. and i started it at the gun. it said 6:33. the woman didn't start hers on time. i'm certain that had to screw somebody up.

the second mile had an uphill and a downhill, each with ascents of no more than 30' over a quarter mile. the uphill, though, was tiring. i made a point of pushing it up the hill, as is my way, but didn't really recover anything on the way down. it did give me a chance to pick up a runner or two, which is nice.

after some more turns, there was the second water stop. it was at about teh same point as map my run had the second mile, so i thought that i had reached it. my watch told me 5:57, which was confusing. i thought i might've sped up with pushing up the hill, and it woudl explain why i was tiring. but it would still have been a hell of a feat. no 5:27, mind you, but still pretty good. 36 seconds later, i reached the actual 2 mile mark. ok. that sounds about right.

i was pretty happy that i had run teh first two mile so consistently, and the last mile was basically an ever so slightly downhill run, back to the start, and then a little beyond it. from what i knew about the course, i figured, ok, 3/4 of a mile, then make a turn, and start pushing past the start line, onto that dirt path and the gravel road, and teh finish is just after that. but that 3/4 mile was a slog. i ultimately got to teh turn, and there were three other guys just ahead of me.

i did want to be the first to the dirt path, as it narrowed mightily there. i tried to open it up, but was just able to draw even. i couldn't keep accelerating as i would have liked. we crossed the start line. the path rapidly approached. maybe 50'. nobody else seemed to want the lead so i made my move.

it worked. i bounded along the dirt path, hoping to use it to shift gears, and mentally regroup for the charge to the finish. i figured, soon as i get to the gravel road, i'll see the 3 mile mark, and the finish.

the path opens to the gravel road. no mile mark. i'm mentally broken. i slow perceptibly. one runner passes me. i regroup, but don't get all my speed back. i'm no longer running. i'm trudging in fast forward. finally, the gravel road comes to an end, there's a turn, and teh mile mark. my time, 20:30. shit! i had forgotten that i had been way ahead of pr pace. shit! i had given it all away. shit! it didn't even cross my mind! shit! i hadn't considered it since the first mile! shit! 45 seconds! shit! where was my head?! shit!

finally, i kick it into gear. tick. tick. tick. last turn. tick. tick. there's the line. tick. at last, afterburners. tick. this is going to be close. tick. 21: tick. 10. tick. 11. tick. 12. tick. 13. tick. 14... line...

mothertrucker.

did i just run 21:14? my watch seemed to think so. what would the official time be?

my pr is 21:14. i ran it in june. it beat my old pr by a second. i would match it again (i think) later in june.

i run like shit, and i match it? ugh. i'm not sure if it would've been more of a slap in the face if i had beat my pr, or just missed, given how poorly i raced today. i should take solace in the notion that, racing well, i should be a lock for 20:30, but instead, i'm a bit annoyed by my approach today.

the weather was perfect today, too. so altogether it kindof feels like an opportunity wasted. sigh.

i came in 22nd overall, 4th among 30-34 yo men, missing 3rd by about 6 seconds. but there were 10-year age groups and in that group, i was about 6th. so no hardware. which is good, because minimm was getting tired.

he did get his first ride in a swing today, though. so it was totally worth it. he didn't quite know what to do at first, but quickly found the whole experience to be rather enjoyable. it was the best part of my day, even if i had run a good race.

my next 5k is in four weeks and starts 2 miles from my house. i'm determined to run a pr, despite its grueling 140' in 1/3 mile big hill. yeah. i'm gonna kick that thing's ass.

themetfairy
Aug 21 2010 07:58 PM
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Tying your PR can never be an opportunity wasted.

Amazing work. And thanks again for your gripping descriptions and accounts of the race.

I have a race in four weeks - the Rock N Roll Philadelphia Half Marathon. If I had been thinking I might not have signed up for it, because it's the day after Yom Kippor (which is going to mess up my carbing up). But it'll be a Team McGraw race, and I'm looking forward to meeting a lot of my teammates there. I figure I'll just treat the thing as a training run and have fun with the socializing factor.

Fman99
Aug 21 2010 09:09 PM
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Nice run MM! Finishing 22nd out of over 500 people is impressive stuff.

My next 5k is next Sunday, in downtown Syracuse. My wife has to work so my sister in law is going to meet me down there and watch the kids while I run, and they'll get to see me cross the finish line and cheer for their dad. Should be fun.

themetfairy
Aug 22 2010 01:19 AM
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Good luck Fman!

Fman99
Aug 23 2010 07:44 PM
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Ran on a treadmill today for the first time in four months. Had a good workout.... though my 5k pace is still a good two minutes slower than it is outside. It's funny, too, because the treadmill forces me to keep an even pace. I think it's the way it's measured, I felt like I worked harder to get a 5k in 26:30 on the treadmill today than I do when I run in the 25 minute range outside.

Weather supposed to improve in time for my next run on Wednesday.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Aug 23 2010 08:26 PM
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Well it only took a few times out but my mysterious foot issue resurfaced once again -- sharp pain on the forefoot/ankle fucking up my gait, slowing me down, leading to hip pain, achilles tendonitis, pissing me off, etc etc etc

Tonight with no expectation that it would work I taped up my ankle and lo and behold felt like I was running on two feet for the first time in months. Combined with a good tailwind, cool weather, and no stinky Met game to torture me along the way, I had a really good run. It occurred to me that maybe I've been battling a mild sprain all along. When I rolled it badly many years ago, I taped up for months upon my return, maybe this is all I need.

Product of the month:

Rockin' Doc
Aug 23 2010 08:30 PM
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I have been traveling quite a bit this month so I haven't been running much. I had the afternoon off today, so I hit the gym for a workout while I had some free time. I did my weight lifting and a little stretching before hitting the treadmill. I decided to stretch it out and do 45 minutes on the treadmill to make up for lost workouts of late. I covered the opening 5K in 25:04 which wasn't too bad since I was trying to pace myself for the full 45 minutes. I ended up doing a total 5.56 miles and was able to maintain a reasonably steady pace (roughly 7.42 mph for the initial 25 minutes and 7.40 mph for the second 20 minutes).

I must admit I was pretty exhausted when I finished, much more so than usual, but am feeling pretty good now. I did somehow rub a small raw spot on the instep of each foot. If all goes well, I hope to go for another 40-45 minute run Wednesday evening after work.

Glad to hear that you found something to ease the pain and make your running more enjoyable, JCL. Hopefully, the taping will continue to work in the future.

themetfairy
Aug 24 2010 07:50 AM
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I agree Fman - the treadmill feels harder for me also. I think it's because you're stuck on an artificial pace, whereas you can adjust as needed when you're outside.

Lunchbucket - I'm glad you found something that helps!

RD - nice work :)

I envy all of you for your speed.

metsmarathon
Aug 24 2010 12:58 PM
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i had a pretty good 7 mile run today with a bunch of guys at work. they all stopped after 5.2ish miles, i continued on 1.6 more. nice, light mist for much of the run, with some wind at times for variety. i could not imagine any better weather midday in mid august.

i was planning on running hill repeats today, but my calf was a bit sore all day. so instead i joined those guys on their 5 miler and tacked on a few extra miles at the end. if hte weather holds up, and my calf stays relatively happy, tomorrow i expect to get the hills done.

and now, i'm totally in the mood for sun chips...

themetfairy
Aug 25 2010 09:31 AM
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I'm starting to reconsider running the Diva's Half Marathon. I've been looking forward to it, but I'm getting a gut feeling that it might be more prudent to skip that one and use that week to train instead.

There are a few things leading me to this conclusion. One is that I'll have a half marathon in Philly with Team McGraw two weeks before the Diva. Working in one half marathon while extending my mileage is much easier than Marathon training around two half marathons, especially since the Diva is only five weeks before the Marathon. Plus there are logistic issues about getting to Long Island, picking up the race stuff, and spending the night in a hotel the night before the race.

I'm also getting the feeling that this isn't going to be the most organized race. They took forever before posting the race course, and the training shirts still haven't been shipped out yet. These things make me wonder whether they will have their act together on race day.

I won't make any final decisions just yet. I really don't have to decide until the last minute. But for the first time I'm thinking that it might be best just to skip this one.

metsmarathon
Aug 25 2010 09:39 AM
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well, one thing you could do is, after you're done with the half marathon, you could always tack on a few more miles to get in a longer day. it's a bit of a logistical challenge, perhaps, given the way the finish areas are for these things, and you might not be able to start running again for a half hour or more (yay for rest!) but you could certainly drop off all your post-race stuff with friends and family, and run, say, 5 miles further around the park or other areas. you might even get some fully-staffed water stops for your trouble!

themetfairy
Aug 25 2010 09:52 AM
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mm - that's not a bad idea in theory, but the reality is that it wouldn't work that day. I have plans to be at Citi Field for the last game of the season that day. Plus I'm so slow that I'd have to check out of the hotel before I could take a shower if I added extra miles.

Plus if I skip the Diva, I could plan a long training run a week and a half after the Philly race. That would let me run the 5th Avenue Mile on fairly rested legs, instead of the day after squeezing in a training run.

The more I think about it, the more I'm thinking that I'd be better off not doing the Diva and just concentrating on my Marathon training once I'm done with the Philly run.

Fman99
Aug 25 2010 03:50 PM
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Perfect running weather today! Ran hard out of the box, mile splits at 7:15/7:38/7:55 and a finish at 23:24, just two seconds short of my personal best. Looking forward to getting back to the sub-24 minute race results (hopefully) on Sunday.

metsmarathon
Aug 26 2010 08:54 AM
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i'm going to be doing something a little foolish today. i'm stacking hard days.

i had planned on running hill repeats on tuesday, but my calf was a little balky, so instead i ran about seven miles easy, five with a bunch of guys from work. i wanted to run the hill repeats yesterday, but that's not a good thing to do on slick ground, so yesterday's rain forced me to readjust my plan. instead, i decided to go and run a 6 mile fartlek workout. i covered 6.4 miles in a 7:30 pace, though much of that was run a lot faster. i probably ran 4 miles of it hard, or at least as fast as my 5k pace, and 2ish miles easy, at a 9ish pace.

and today, i'm going to run those hills. 8 of them, or at least that's the plan. i'm trying out a different hill today, with about a 100m flat run-up, then 300m to climb 60-70' or so. why the flat? because i like to have these things as close to quarter-mile length as possible, and extending up the hill involves an intersection and no suitable landmarks. i could be a purist and just run the 300m hill, but what's the fun in that. besides, this way i'm better able to gauge my pace.

i'm not expecting today's workout to go terribly well. i really should have a day of easier running in between these hard days, but i can't really push the hill till tomorrow - i've got more fartleks to run on saturday before a long run on sunday. my legs will surely tire quickly today, but hopefully i can manage my effort level to get me through the majority of the repeats, peak on about the 6th, and hang on for the last two. i should be aiming for equal effort on each and every one, but ya gotta do what ya gotta do. as long as the last two (or more) don't turn into garbage, i'll be happy.

since i can't recall if i've ever had this discussion before, you might be wondering, hey, what the hell is a fartlek, and isn't that really dirty?
apparently, its swedish for speed play (though i should really confirm that with a swedish coworker of mine). basically, its alternating intervals of hard and easy running, of varying length. i use repeating landmarks to designate the transitions between intervals. at work, i run for two buildings hard, then easy for one building. the spacing between buildings here varies quite a bit, so i can go hard anywhere from 50m to about 800m. if i'm also going through the golf course, instead of buildings, i'll do the same thing but with tee boxes. here, i can get up to a mile hard. which starts to get a little long. on one path through the golf course, there's also measured quarter miles, which i could always use if i wanted not to run that hard mile.

DocTee
Aug 26 2010 09:15 AM
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Fartleks are great, but I never heard of them being that long. I use them, but run to identifiable markers such as "that tree" or "two driveways down the block", usually amounting to no more than 40 yards or so.

Been terribly hot here this week, so no runs for several days. Back out there tomorrow. My goal remains the Oakland marathon in March (though it may be the half due to decreased training opportunities witht he return of the fall semester).

themetfairy
Aug 26 2010 09:39 AM
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DocTee wrote:
Fartleks are great, but I never heard of them being that long. I use them, but run to identifiable markers such as "that tree" or "two driveways down the block", usually amounting to no more than 40 yards or so.

Been terribly hot here this week, so no runs for several days. Back out there tomorrow. My goal remains the Oakland marathon in March (though it may be the half due to decreased training opportunities witht he return of the fall semester).


Have you ever done the Bay to Breakers? I'd love to do that one day.

metsmarathon
Aug 26 2010 09:44 AM
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typically, the intervals should be shorter than what i got up to yesterday.

a quick search of the interweb reveals a bunch of different ways to run them. shorter intervals are geared typically to shorter distances. in training for the 5 mile, you might go between 100-400m (according to some sets of advice, though others suggest an upper limit of 4 minutes). if i run at home, my typical scheme rarely would exceed 400m. i like to be a slave to my scheme, instead of trying to go free form (it keeps me from slacking, i think), so if i happen to run through an area which is sparsely populated with my designated landmarks, i go longer.

i specifically decided yesterday that i would stick to the tee boxes instead of the quarter mile markers on the path. only after i was running (and while i was running hard between two very much separated buildings) did i start to realize that from teh one tee box, the path leaves the golf course for a while, and circles back to a driving range. from the one tee box to the driving range was just under a mile. i could have switched it up at that point, but i didn't want to allow myself the slack.

that mile kicked my ass. so did the next hard half mile. in the future, i'm going to stick with shorter intervals as much as possible, at least so long as my landmark scheme will allow.

i probably should go with markedly shorter intervals right now. though i'm notionally training for a marathon which i will not run, i'm also targeting a 5k in 3 1/2 weeks, so the shorter intervals would be much better focused on that goal.

DocTee
Aug 26 2010 10:10 AM
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Never done the B2B...it tends to conflict with a busy time of my work schedule. Organizers have cracked down considerably on the bacchanalian activities that marked the fest in recent years-- it had become a drinking fest/mardi gras type of scene, with a few sprints in between bouts of revelry. A few friends have done it, and say its more a party than a race.

Fman99
Aug 26 2010 10:12 AM
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This is all far more complicated than my routine, not that it's a bad thing, just a different way of doing it. I just get out and run hard for 5k and then stop.

My times haven't improved much since I got into this 23-25 minute range earlier this year. My time varies now most based on the weather and terrain, and how I'm feeling that day.

Maybe at some point I try to work some interval training in, but right now I'm more attentive to just having a good run, a good workout, maintaining my weight and not hurting myself via tree branch like Triple D did.

themetfairy
Aug 26 2010 10:25 AM
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DocTee wrote:
Never done the B2B...it tends to conflict with a busy time of my work schedule. Organizers have cracked down considerably on the bacchanalian activities that marked the fest in recent years-- it had become a drinking fest/mardi gras type of scene, with a few sprints in between bouts of revelry. A few friends have done it, and say its more a party than a race.


The more the others party, the better I'll do in comparison ;)

It's on the "one of these years" list.

themetfairy
Aug 27 2010 10:16 AM
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I was stuck on 12 miles for several weeks. What's more, I'm sleep deprived today. And to add to that, I woke up at 6:15 this morning with a leg cramp. So I wasn't expecting much out of myself when I went out for my long run (later than originally planned, because I had to find a repairman to fix our dryer....).

So, despite all of that (or maybe because of it?), I got in 15 miles this morning! It was at a snail-like 3:12:05, but I did it!

I'm pooped....

metsmarathon
Aug 27 2010 11:43 AM
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today was a terrific day for running, though.

good job on the 15! sometimes its the days when you expect to run just plain crappy that you actually have a good run.

themetfairy
Aug 27 2010 11:48 AM
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Thanks mm :)

Ceetar
Aug 27 2010 12:17 PM
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Found time to get to the gym yesterday. I tried to regulate my breathing more, but I couldn't seem to get into a rhythm. felt like I strained to get full breaths if i tried to breath slower. My overall time was good in terms of being near my best (2.78miles on the 30 minute treadmill limit which fit my 5k in 35minute goal/pace) but I feel like by now I should be able to get a routine pace and keep at it, and I struggle to do so. My heart rate racing to 93% or so probably doesn't help that though. probably means I should aim for a slower pace.

metsmarathon
Aug 27 2010 01:14 PM
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you might want to try running outside, especially on a day like today. get yourself into a good rhythm without being forced into anything by the treadmill, and worry about time, distance, and pace later.

that saddle river park has lots of nice flat paved running path all along the river. you could go from century rd / fair lawn ave up to midland ave / grove st and back down for just under 3 miles. or pick a starting point, run 15 minutes or so, and turn around. might have better results than running on teh treadmill.

Ceetar
Aug 27 2010 01:47 PM
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metsmarathon wrote:
you might want to try running outside, especially on a day like today. get yourself into a good rhythm without being forced into anything by the treadmill, and worry about time, distance, and pace later.

that saddle river park has lots of nice flat paved running path all along the river. you could go from century rd / fair lawn ave up to midland ave / grove st and back down for just under 3 miles. or pick a starting point, run 15 minutes or so, and turn around. might have better results than running on teh treadmill.



Today I'm going to happy hour for a farewell to a coworker and drinking margaritas, but I have been meaning to try running outside. I tried once and crapped out. I usually intend on weights too, so the gym is usually my target.

That park would probably be a reasonable choice though. Maybe if i remind myself that it's a probably only 30-45 minutes of time to do a run like that versus 90+ minutes to go to the gym work out and drive home..

Fman99
Aug 27 2010 08:06 PM
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Such a beautiful day today... I ran in the flat park of the park, lots of shade, but I felt a little twinge in my groin and my hip earlier in the day and tried to take it a bit easy.

But running hills all summer means that I'm zooming on flat ground, especially when it's below 80 and not too sunny out. I was on a 24 minute pace or so but had to ease up due to a big knot in my calf. I felt it about 2.25 miles in but still finished my run at a respectable 24:34.

It still hurts, and I'll be on my feet all day tomorrow at the NY State Fair. Hopefully I can put some heat on it and have it work itself out before Sunday.

themetfairy
Aug 27 2010 08:20 PM
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Best of luck Fman!

themetfairy
Aug 28 2010 09:44 AM
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Ceetar wrote:
My heart rate racing to 93% or so probably doesn't help that though. probably means I should aim for a slower pace.


I'd say that's correct. Don't worry as much about speed. While the weather is nice, run outside comfortably and build up your endurance. You'll have a whole winter to run on the treadmill, but only a few months of this nice weather.

Rockin' Doc
Aug 28 2010 05:44 PM
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Ran a personal best of 23:54 for 5K this afternoon and 3.88 miles in 30 minutes. Returned home and grabbed a light luch on the back deck. Since I was sweaty anyway I decided to go ahead and mow the lawn. I decided to forsake the riding Snapper and used the Toro push mower. Feeling amazingly good this evening.

Now if only the Mets can win tonight it will be a great day.

themetfairy
Aug 28 2010 06:33 PM
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Very nice RD - way better than the Mets' productivity....

Fman99
Aug 29 2010 08:44 PM
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The knot in my calf never did go away, but I managed to bang out a 23:40 today in the Inner Harbor 5k, finishing 42nd out of 225 runners and 7th out of 26 runners in the M30-39 bracket. One second off of my race PR set on July 4th. Warm sunny day, a nice tech shirt, and an all-around enjoyable time.

More details to follow later this week.

themetfairy
Aug 29 2010 09:03 PM
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Nice work Fman!

Ceetar
Aug 30 2010 11:23 AM
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http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source= ... 9&t=h&z=15


Think I need my pedometer calibrated. It said i did 1.5 miles in the 45 minutes i was out there, the google map seems to suggest it was closer to 3 miles. Was probably closer to 2.5 in my opinion, as I definitely couldn't move/run with any sort of pace or energy. the major difference I felt from on a treadmill is I wasn't able to get myself to walk at anything approaching a 4mph pace when I couldn't run anymore.

themetfairy
Aug 31 2010 09:30 AM
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I ran 113.5 miles in the month of August, and 715.2 miles so far this year.

At this pace, I'll get to 1,000 miles this fall. It'll be the first (and likely only) year I'll log that kind of mileage.

themetfairy
Sep 04 2010 08:46 AM
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It's Elmer Dessens Day!

I can't wait to be able to start counting down to the Marathon using better player numbers....

metsmarathon
Sep 04 2010 08:59 AM
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i was pretty bummed that there were no torrential rains and winds to run through yesterday. i don't really feel like i can claim to have run during a hurricane again.

themetfairy
Sep 05 2010 10:32 AM
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OK, fine - I did my 20 miles. Now leave me alone for a few weeks!



Seriously - I'm going to mini taper now for the Rock N Roll Philadelphia Half Marathon in two weeks, and then get in a few long runs between that and the taper period for the Marathon. But I got the 20-mile monkey off my back. It's amazing what cool temperatures and lower humidity will do for a body!

DocTee
Sep 05 2010 10:39 AM
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Excellent work! Yes, heat and humidity can absolutely drain ones eenrgies-- and I mean when waiting for the bus! Running in that stuff is unimaginable.

themetfairy
Sep 05 2010 10:43 AM
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Thanks Doc :)

metsmarathon
Sep 05 2010 05:49 PM
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sweet!

now do it again. :p

Fman99
Sep 05 2010 08:29 PM
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Congrats on your long run MF! Good for you.

I never wrote my race report for 5k #6.

So this was the second annual "Inner Harbor 5k" in downtown Syracuse, to benefit some charity I never heard of before. Whatever... I pick them for the dates (preferring Sunday morning events) and proximity to my house. Well, it's evident when I drive downtown that they don't have a good handle on this thing. They identified the area where the race is but not where to park, and when I arrive 45 minutes before the race starts (and 15 minutes before the race-day registration and packet pick-up ends), a smarmy cop tells me that I'm running late and reluctantly lets me park near the race start. Whatever, officer. Get out of my grill.

The packet pick up is a mess - they've mis-allocated the dispensing of free shirts, and all that are left are XL sizes. It's a nice shirt, too, a tech shirt, of which I only have one other. Right when I get there they start dipping into the shirts that they were SUPPOSED to give out the day prior at pre-race packet pickup, except they weren't ready at that point either. I luck into a size L, a little long for me but wearable (and nice).

Then, they have signs pointing to the start area, except they point in two different directions. Sloppy. I run into the two guys I spoke to at the Beaver Lake 5k two weeks prior, both age 51 (according to their bibs) and including the guy who caught me and passed me at the finish line at that race. It's nice to have someone to gab with pre-race as Fwife and Fkids are home in their pajamas.

Weather is great, sunny, a little warm but not stifling. And we're off!

Running through the streets of downtown Syracuse, I notice that some of the streets are in need of patchwork and there are some small to medium sized potholes. I manage to avoid injury and the crowd thins out. I'm running at a good pace, mostly shade in the first mile, and the one graybeard who I was talking to I pass at about the quarter mile mark. My calf still is tight but it's not really affecting my stride or speed. It's just there.

No markers at either the first or second mile. So I have no clue where my pace is. The first half of the race is mostly on shaded streets and it's cool and comfortable. Then, about 12-13 minutes in, that ends and it's all sunshine. It feels good but I am heating up. A single water stop at about the 15 minute mark, and it's not particularly cool water. Blecch.

Finally, at mile 3 they have a sign and I see from my watch that I'm about 22:40 in. Which is solid, I'm just off my personal race best of 23:39 from Reston, VA on July 4th. I find a little juice and start to kick, and it's a straight shot from the 3 mile sign to the finish. Then I hear footsteps, and I know it's the same guy who caught me at Beaver Lake. He's going to pass me again, the bastard! I try and kick but he's gaining on me, and catches me.

I tell him, fairly winded, "Oh, you're going to do this to me again!" He smiles and eases up just a bit and we cross at identical times, 23:40. We finished 41st and 42nd out of 225 runners, and I finished 7th out of 26 men in the 30-39 age bracket. One second off of my personal best race time and I'm happy with it. I say farewell to my two new race friends (the other guy finished around 26:15 or so) and head home.

I was very happy with my showing, the course was nice and I would run it again. They had so many issues that the race organizer sent an email out the following Monday apologizing for all that went wrong, most of which pertained to the kids' fun run at 8:30. They've got 12 months to fix it for next year.

Next race is this upcoming Saturday, the annual 5k Arc race. Last year close to 600 people ran it, I do enjoy a big crowd like that.

DocTee
Sep 05 2010 08:37 PM
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Great report. I hate crappy logistical issues like the ones you mention.

if you let that guy catch you a third time...

themetfairy
Sep 05 2010 10:29 PM
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metsmarathon wrote:
sweet!

now do it again. :p


About three weeks before the Marathon, of course :)

themetfairy
Sep 05 2010 10:32 PM
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Thanks Fman, and nice job on the 5K. Best of luck with Saturday's race!

Fman99
Sep 07 2010 06:10 AM
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DocTee wrote:
Great report. I hate crappy logistical issues like the ones you mention.

if you let that guy catch you a third time...


We joked about it afterwards... I told him I had no intention of letting him catch me this Saturday, as he's also running the same ARC 5k that I am.

metsmarathon
Sep 09 2010 12:09 PM
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wow. i hadn't realized it until today, but i'm already up and over 900 miles this year. yesterday, i'd run far enough to get me to missouri, and tomorrow, i should have enough mileage to get me to florida. i might be able to hit 1,000 miles by the end of this month, certainly by columbus day.

in other news, i might've yet again run a 5k pr today, but it was only a training run, and i wasn't really paying too much attention to where the 5k mark was. i was basically doing a 4 mile tempo run, accelerating gradually throughout the run so that the middle half mile is pretty damned hard, and then once i hit the half way mark, decelerating gradually again. my plan was to take it a half mile at a time, or thereabouts. i started at my usual regular run effort, which is usually about an 8 minute pace. at a half mile, i pushed a little harder. and so on and so forth. the middle half mile i knocked out in about 3 minutes flat. i allowed myself to slow from there on, but was still obviously running rather hard. when i got to my 3 mile mark, i hit my watch, but didn't really look at it or mentally process the elapsed time. the split was 7:30ish, but that's not right because i always use the wrong two mile mark. after a little bit more running, i looked down at my watch again and saw the elapsed time was 21:30ish. i figured i was somewhat more than a tenth of a mile farther down the road. i finished my run, with the last mile taking 7:18, my elapsed time being 28:05 (7:02 pace), and my 3 mile split therefore being 20:47, or almost exactly what it was at my last 5k.

i need to just shatter that damned pr already. get it out of the way. it's annoying me how i keep hitting it.

unfortunately, my next 5k will not be a good race for setting a pr. little bit of a 200' hill from 0.5 miles to 1.25 miles. it's my home 5k course, so i should have an advantage. but that hill is a bitch. i'll probably just match my pr again...

Fman99
Sep 11 2010 03:23 PM
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Set a new race PR today with a 23:37, finished 68th out of 592. Feel great.

themetfairy
Sep 11 2010 08:37 PM
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Congrats on the PR Fman!

metsmarathon
Sep 11 2010 08:47 PM
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crap. you're gaining on me.

fantastic!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 12 2010 07:40 PM
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We were in wet Wilmington this morning for a 5K to benefit childhood cancer research for friends who lost their young son to cancer.

The conditions to run at 9 am were great IMO -- overcast, cool, some rain. Seemed like only a few people treated this as a "race" there were lots of young kids, walker, families, etc. I ran at what's more or less become my new regular pace (that is, kinda slow, but steady both for the long mostly downhill first mile and long mostly uphill last mile). Humbling to encounter the leaders coming back the other way when I was only past the mile mark, but made it to the end at 26:30, which I figured woulda been better had I not started near the back, used a chip, etc etc. Wifey Bucket took it considerably easier and crossed in 32: 58.

themetfairy
Sep 12 2010 08:02 PM
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If Wifey Bucket ever wants a running partner, I'm around that speed.

Nice job Lunchie - I'd kill to be what you consider slow!

Fman99
Sep 12 2010 08:46 PM
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Yesterday was my 7th 5k of 2010. This is the ARC race, the 16th annual and one of the larger 5k races in the area in terms of participation. ARC is a local charity in support of people with developmental disabilities, and they draw a good crowd. Last year's results told me two things: one, that they would draw more than 500 people, and two, that I could finish near the front of the pack based on the course and my recent race times. I went in confident.

The weather was pristine -- sunny and warm but not hot. We had several rainy, cruddy days leading up race day and the forecast is calling for several more in the upcoming days, so this was a window of niceness in the middle of it. The course is run across two local parks that are just 5 minutes from my home -- it starts in one park, crosses a single-lane bridge that is at the crest of a decent sized hill, and then runs to another park for about a mile and a half and then back again. So we hit the bridge/hill twice, once a minute in and once near the end. The majority of this run, the entire second park, is flat and fast. I know every turn and bend of it, too, as this is where I run much of the time.

I got to the park only to realize that I had forgotten my wrist watch. I considered driving home for it but I thought parking was only going to get hairier, so I decide to just run based on feel and not worry about my splits.

There's no chip reader at the starting line, and so I realize that there will only be gun times. Knowing that I should be in the top 20% of finishers, I make my way towards the front and start about 5 rows deep. And we're off!

I hit the bridge and hill at a good clip and find a steady rhythm. No pains or even nagging injuries to bother me and it's smooth sailing. There's a water stop at about the .8 mile mark, I don't even try to drink them anymore. I dump 100% of it on my head and keep on going. I hit the turn and feel like I'm going at a steady pace.

About 10 seconds after I hit the turn, and I'm headed back towards the finish, I see my nemesis! The guy who caught me at the Beaver Lake 5k and again at the Inner Harbor 5k, and he's close enough that he could catch me with a late burst. From here on in, every time someone gets close to passing me I turn around expecting to see him. At about the 2.5 mile mark I ease up a bit, I'm a little gassed and I am trying to save something for the bridge/hill at the end. When I hit it I am able to shoot past a couple of runners. A summer of running hills in the heat and I've noticed that I tend to hit the hills better than some of the more casual runners I am running against.

The finish line is through the parking lot, I hit the home stretch and I can see that the clock is just turned past 23 minutes. I know that I'm on a good pace, close to what I ran two weeks ago. I push with what I have left and cross at 23:37 gun time. My frienemy, whom I saw last at the turn, never caught me. I wait and see that he crossed a full 75 seconds later. I say hello to him and find out that he pulled his hamstring after the turn and eased up for the last half of the race. Still, it's good to see him and his friend, now I've seen these guys at the last three races.

I finished 68th out of 592 runners, and fifth out of 21 in my M35-39 age bracket. Not fast enough to win a medal, but still quite proud of myself. It's my fastest race time ever and also, percentage wise, my best finish of the year. Next race is this coming Sunday, at the same park. Not sure how much overlap between that race and the one I just ran, but hopefully the weather and results repeat themselves.

themetfairy
Sep 13 2010 05:33 AM
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Well done Fman - great job in setting a race PR!

themetfairy
Sep 17 2010 02:26 PM
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I'm all ready for Sunday's Rock N Roll Philadelphia Half Marathon. I have my Team McGraw singlet for the race, and my official race shirt to change into after my post-race shower -

Fman99
Sep 17 2010 07:27 PM
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Nice laundry!

I've been extending my runs this week, I ran 3.5 miles on both Monday and Tuesday... and the increased distance, plus running back to back days which I don't normally do, left me with some soreness on Wednesday and even a bit yesterday. Today I felt great, and the weather was pristine. I ran 4 miles in 32:03 and felt like I could have done another mile or two, but decided to save it up for Sunday's 5k.

themetfairy
Sep 17 2010 08:54 PM
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Nice work Fman, and best of luck Sunday!

themetfairy
Sep 19 2010 10:21 AM
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It was hotter and more humid than expected this morning, but my Mets cap and I rocked the Rock N Roll Philadelphia Half Marathon this morning. I'll find out my official time when I get back home - it was slow, but under the circumstances I'm happy to have finished while still feeling strong :)

themetfairy
Sep 19 2010 02:12 PM
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I'd tell you how I did at the half marathon, but I wasn't wearing a GPS watch, I was in Corral 17 so the course clock didn't reflect my actual time, and the ING race website doesn't have a record of me (at least not yet). But I was there. Yes, I was there -





And the bling was really cool -

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 19 2010 02:56 PM
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Going through 30 feet of ankle tape a week, but it's still working: Did the first 2-bridge run in more than a year this afternoon (Manhattan, Williamsburg). If I hadn't completely ran out gas only a few blocks from home it have been 10 miles even but goes into the books at a pokey 9.6.

themetfairy
Sep 19 2010 02:57 PM
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9.6 is not too shabby - nice work!

themetfairy
Sep 19 2010 04:56 PM
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My official time on today's half marathon is 2:44:50. It's my slowest, but it's also the warmest conditions in which I've ever run a half marathon. All things considered, I'm happy enough with this performance.

Fman99
Sep 19 2010 07:14 PM
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Today I ran my eighth 5k of 2010... and repeated the very same course that I set my race PR on last weekend. It was a cooler, drizzlier day but not unpleasant, and most of this crowd were walkers.

There were 90 runners... I came in a little off my time from last week, at 23:54, but still good enough for ninth overall, and second in the M30-39 age group. Luckily for me, the guy who won the whole thing also was in his 30's, and they only give out a maximum of one trophy per runner, I won the award for the top male finisher age 30-39. And a sweet trophy to boot, the very first one I've ever won in all of my 37 years.

themetfairy
Sep 19 2010 07:23 PM
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WTG Fman - that's excellent!

metsmarathon
Sep 20 2010 08:08 AM
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dang. i had typed out a typically overly-long race recap, thought i had saved a draft of it, but apparently did not complete the draft-saving process. and now it is lost to the ether.

i hate when that happens.

the quick and dirty recap is that i hate 10-year age groups, which yet again have conspired to keep me from getting any hardware. i also was complicit in the conspiracy, as my race prep was fraught with error.

on saturday, i ran the catholic academy schools 5k spirit run in sparta. it's pretty much my home course, as i run on these same roads every time i run at home. the start is 2 miles from my house; the turnaround is a half mile from my house. it's fairly local. its also challenging as hell. the first half mile is slightly downhill. then the next 0.8 miles climbs 180' or so. afterwards, its mostly downhill for another mile, then fairly flat to the finish, with a small 20' up-and-over ridge just before the 3 mile.

the problem was, since the race is so close to home, i can run there as a warmup. in fact, i did that last year, and ran a pretty good race. 21:51, which was just shy of my then-current pr pace. so i thought i'd do it again. the crititcal difference was that this year, i decided to also push minimm in his running stroller, with mrs.mm running alongside. i also took the hillier, but less trafficky, two mile route. i figured that by running slowly, i wouldn't tire myself. i was wrong. to make matters worse, i had run over 4 miles with minimm the day prior, also taking it easy. but pushing 40 extra pounds around makes the slower pace still hard, and tends to sap what litheness i might have. especially with the hills.

so we get to the start, and i'm already feeling a little spent. legs all heavy, not loose. calves a little tired. not at all fresh. waah.

mrs.mm and minimm would sit this race out. i was going for time, and there's no way mrs.mm would be willing to push minimm up that hill.

so the race starts. they'd gone through the trouble of having self-seeding signs, held by race volunteers, and the starter, with his bullhorn, conveyed theinr intended function to the runners gathered. naturally, the younger children ignored the advice. no matter, i was about three rows deep, in the gulf between the (nearly empty, save six fast-looking guys and a handful of tweenage boys) 6 minute group and the 7 minute group. we go halfway around a track, then exit by the 100m starting blocks, down a hill, and make a sharp turn to the left. it is at this left turn that i'm convinced i will eventually plow under a young child. but this year, there were no incidents. the roads open up on the downhill, i've passed all the kids, and there's no more than 10 people in front of me. but i don't feel like i'm going fast enough. or rather, that i'm working too hard for my speed.

we make a turn, and the uphill begins. its not a steady climb, but comes in stages. i try to work this to my advantage, powering up the steeper parts, and cruising along the flatter parts, working to my strengths. i jockey with a few people for position, and am the first of our clutch of 21-minute runners to make it to the mile. the time is 6:45. not good. i'm working hard, and getting more tired, and i've got no headspace on my pr. there's still the steepest of the hill ahead, and the downhill after is too steep for meaningful recovery.

after the mile, on the way up, i get passed. fuck. that didn't just happen. did it? the guy looked fast, but, damnit, the hills are mine. i'm definitely getting tired. there's a crowd gathering on my heels, and they've been looking forward to this since i started my charge.

at the top, i slow a bit, and try to transition into recovery mode. i'm too spent to get into a controlled fall, as my lungs just won't support that kind of turnover. i think my legs would've been okay with the idea, but i needed to get my breath back. so i pulled back on the reins a bit, and found myself back in with the pack. i would stay with these three runners for a while, and hopefully make my move near the 2-mile mark.

there's a sharp turn just before it. its the kind of thing i like to swing wide, hunker down, and power right through when i'm feeling right. think running back turning the corner. today, i wasn't feeling right. i couldn't drop into that lower gear. however, because i know hte turn, i can still take it faster and smoother than my competitors. the course flattens out a bit here, which turned out to be bad for me. i started to slow.

the second mile took 7:11. hell. i would need to run the third mile at my exact pr pace to even have a shot. but i'm already spent.

at the next water stop, i grab two cups. one goes ove rmy head. the other i stop to drink from. 15 seconds. three runners pass in a group. i start up before the next runner gets to me. he looks young. i've gotta beat him. down the last meaningful incline until the flat stretch. i should be opening up here, but i just can't. i want to catch the guy ahead of me, but it's enough to just keep this kid from breathing down my neck. my only hope in this two-man race is that i know the course better than he does, and can use it better than he can.

as the third mile slowly passes by, i can feel him getting closer. ever closer. that 20' ridge is coming up. it's maybe 100m up, 100m down, and then there's the 3 mile mark. make or break time. i need to convince him that he can't chase me down. i try to power up the damned thing. well, at least i didn't slow down. he's still there. does he know how much race is left? at the top, i finally find a better gear, and open it up coming down the hill. good. not great. but good. if i can really pour it on at the 3 mile mark, i've got him. naturally, the 3rd mile is unmarked. where it should've been, a glance at my watch revealed a disappointing 21:15. sigh. but there's no time to wallow in self pity! just ahead is the turn up onto the track. i don't know anymore if i've got him, or he's got me. if i bust out dead-sprint here, i can either fully discourage his pursuit, or wear myself out in the process. fuck it. if he's going to beat me, he'll have to do it over my dead, lifeless body. fence. turn. power. up. breathe. churn. pump. breathe. push. go. 100m. there's a crowd of spectators. they're encouraging me to "bring it in". nobody's yelling for some kid to catch the old guy. my strategy worked. he'd broken off his chase.

thank god.

because right around "push" i'd started to ponder letting him win if we were in a death race to the line. he's a freaking kid. give him his victory, fer chrissakes - he's not in your age group! in the last 50-100m, it's women and children first. i'm not an animal. unless there's an adult male. then i must catch him.

but it didn't come down to that.

i wanted to slow before the line, and did to some extent, but my time was pulling me in. it was rapidly approaching last year's time. 21:48... 49... 50... 51... bloody hell. 52...

slower than last year.

my whole plan to build speed this year and get way faster isn't really working out so hot. i've advanced my pr by a whopping second.

i did finish 15th overall (of 369). i figured i had a shot at hardware until i realized they were doing 10-year age groups. yup. 4th. damnit. 2nd among 30-34 year olds, not that it matters.

i didn't stick around to see if they would award me the 3rd place ribbon. a 37 year old took 3rd overall, but i was standing by when they were taking down the names for the award winners. they were not, apparently, abiding by the single-trophy convention, as they had his name down twice. that's okay. minimm was getting tired and hungry, and we had a 2 mile run to get him home. up that same big hill.

i have a 2nd place age group ribbon from the first year they did this race (it wasn't quite as competitive in its first year), so i guess i don't really need a 3rd place one...


the kid? he was 13.

i had congratulated him on a great race, and for giving me a hell of a scare at the end.

themetfairy
Sep 20 2010 08:44 AM
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I love reading your descriptions and accounts of races mm.

FWIW, yesterday was a lot hotter and more humid than originally advertised. Running yesterday was hard. My half marathon time was 2:44:50 - my worst to date (even worse than when I ran the NYC Half with an injured glute) - it was not an easy day for a run.

As always, I'm in awe of you.

themetfairy
Sep 21 2010 07:23 PM
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D-Dad and I didn't purchase much at the half marathon's race expo, but we did pick up a shotglass for our collection.

I was in the mood for a drink this evening, and decided that it would be appropriate to use the shotglass to drink a toast to Tug. So here it is, filled with Jameson's.

Ya Gotta Believe!

Rockin' Doc
Sep 24 2010 10:54 AM
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I took advantage of having the day off and headed to the gym for a mid-morning workout. I hit the weight room for 35 minutes of lifting and then did 5.56 miles in 45 minutes on the treadmill. I'm a little tired right now, but after a light lunch and some ice water I plan to mow the yard.

The ice cold Newcastle Brown Ale I have waiting for me in the refrigerator will be quite refreshing after I'm done with the yard work.

Fman99
Sep 24 2010 12:58 PM
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Ran in the heat yesterday... after a too-big lunch I took it easy, and ran a (for me) leisurely 25:48 5k on the flat part of our local park.

There's a 5k Sunday morning in my neighborhood... we're going downstate to visit my parents tomorrow and then driving home tomorrow night. If I wake up Sunday, and it's nice out, I may shoot down there for a game-day registration. I'm leaving my options open. It would be (I believe) my 3rd straight race on the same course, so I won't be heartbroken if it's rainy or I'm just not feeling it.

themetfairy
Sep 24 2010 02:20 PM
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Nice work RD! And good luck Fman if you decide to do the race.

This is going to be an easy weekend compared to recent ones. I'm doing a local 5K tomorrow morning - I didn't pre-register, but day of race registration is never an issue with this race. Very local, very flat, and always followed by pizza and hogies - what's not to like?

Meanwhile, I went into the City today to pick up my race bib for Sunday's Fifth Avenue Mile. I will totally get my ass kicked, because the mile is for the speedy and I am anything but that. But I always wanted to do this race down Fifth Avenue, so I'm doing it. So there Better still, I have the coolest race number ever - 777! If anyone wants to check out the streaming video on Sunday morning, my heat starts at 10:45. I'll be lucky to finish before the 11:00 heat starts (j/k - I'm slow, but not THAT slow!).

metsguyinmichigan
Sep 24 2010 02:28 PM
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Running in the Komen Race for the Cure tomorrow. It's my first race in about a year -- and first since losing the weight -- and I'm pretty excited. My previous best was an (admittedly slow) 26.58, and I'm pretty confident I can destroy that, since I'm hitting 25 in the first 3.15 miles of my daily 7.25 mile runs. But going all-out for three miles only, plus the race adrenaline flowing and not carrying that extra 60-pounds, I'm really hoping to bust 24 minutes.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 24 2010 02:35 PM
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That's great Dave. What are your 7-mile times looking like btw? That's about the distance I like to run.

metsguyinmichigan
Sep 24 2010 02:43 PM
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Thanks!

It depends on the route, but on the treadmill I do 7.25 in 65 minutes. Running on the bike trail, I hit 8 miles in 1:13 a couple times. It's fun to run downtown Grand Rapids along the riverwalk, but between the stairs, fishermen, pedestrians and crossing some streets, (and on summer Saturdays, wedding parties taking photos) it slows me down a bit. But the view is spectacular.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 24 2010 03:00 PM
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That's about my time too at that distance, a little faster actually. In addition to taping up the ankle, and the cooler weather, I think doing a shorter distance (3.1) helped me get faster. But my damaged-ankle times were closer to 1:10 for 7 miles, now I'm more like 1:06. I have done route as fast as an hour even, but not since 2008.

metsguyinmichigan
Sep 24 2010 03:24 PM
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Good for you! My knees were giving me issues for a while one at a time. But now I wear compression braces on each, and taking supplements my mother-in-law recommended.

Other than races, this was the first year I've run outdoors. I've grown to like it better than the treadmill -- with the bike trail much better than in the street. Cars scare me.

themetfairy
Sep 24 2010 04:16 PM
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Have fun michigan :)

I ran several races before and after dropping the weight. My after loss times were much, much better - one 5K had an 8-minute difference!

themetfairy
Sep 25 2010 09:43 AM
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I started Weight Watchers this week, and today was my first 5K since starting the diet. For the first time in my life I have an appreciation for why long distance runners are so concerned about carbs prior to a big race. I didn't eat before the race, and I had very little bread yesterday. I started out fine, but a little before the 2-mile mark I started feeling it - I was extremely tired, and wasn't sure I'd have it in me to finish the race.

I did finish, with a time of 39:09. That's actually slightly faster than other races I've done this year. But it felt labored - I've rarely been so relieved to cross a finish line. But I did run the entire way, so that felt like a moral victory.

And they had Rita's Water Ices after the race, which helped restore me to a better state of being. Nothing in this world is as restorative as a mango water ice from Rita's (3.5 Weight Watchers exchanges for the kiddie size, and well worth it!).


I ran this same course today. 33:06! Six minutes faster than in 2008 (I didn't run it last year because it was the day before my first half marathon) and my fastest 5K of 2010. I lost some speed this year due to my glute injury, but I felt like I gave this course a decent ride today, especially in light of the heat and humidity. I'm feeling much better today than I did two years ago :)

metsguyinmichigan
Sep 25 2010 04:34 PM
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That's awesome fairy! Good for you!!!

themetfairy
Sep 25 2010 04:47 PM
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Thanks michigan :)

metsguyinmichigan
Sep 25 2010 05:50 PM
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OK, here's how the 5K went. Near disaster that turned out good in the end, so bear with me.

Starting out, I was pretty sure I could smash my previous best of 26:58, and was hoping for something around 25 minutes.

I thought the race started at 9 am, so I was rolling up around 8:20 thinking I'd have plenty of time to stretch and get ready. But I pulled up and saw that they were already herding racers to the starting line. It started at 8:30!!! My heart sank. I've looked forward to this race for a year. Then I started to panic.

I found a parking spot at a store next to the mall, and sprinted over to the other side of the mall, where they were starting the National Anthem as I pulled up, way in the back, behind the walkers, people pushing strollers, people walking their dogs and much older folks.

I tried weaving and moving up, but it was slow going even as the race started and people started moving. Luckily, the race was based on chip time as well as clock time, so I thought I'd have a chance once I got to the actual starting line. It was a little better, but not much.

I might have jumped over someone's dog. I apologize for that. But really, why are you bringing your dog to a race? Is that the best place for Fluffy? If he needs a walk that badly, take him around the block where he's not gonna get jumped over. But I digress.

Most of the first mile is a divided four-lane street with a grassy median, so I tried to find a clear route by going on the side, popping up the curb and on the median to pass people, especially people pushing strollers, which are too large to jump over. After clearing the dog, the thought did pop in my mind.

Turning the first corner onto a two-lane street, I tried again to stick to the far side. Sometimes there is room to air it out, and sometimes people head over there and just stop dead. I was weaving around people like a running back looking for a hole in the line.

The MyRunner app interrupts the music at every mile so a voice tells me the distance and the pace. At the end of the first mile, I was running a 7:13, which I have not done since college.

There was a little more room to run in the second mile, and tried to keep the pace and even make up some time. I did notice I was passing a lot of people, and there were not a lot of people passing me, which is unusual for me. I credited that to starting in the back and just moving past the slowest people. But the end of the mile, the app announced I was at a 7:09 pace.

Having run this race five or six times in the past, I have a good idea where the mile markers are and how much is left. I started to feel like I was running out of steam. Usually I'm totally into the music, and I put a lot of thought into the race playlist, with fast-paced, inspirational God rock. But this time it I was so angry at myself and focused on trying to get around strollers, dogs and walkers that I wasn't really listening. But as I was losing energy, the Newsboys song "Stay Strong" came through the headset. It's kind of been my personal anthem this past year through some difficulties and the weight loss, and the message came just when I needed it.

I decided I was going to try to keep the pace best I could, even if it meant dropping at the finish line and crawling over to the people handing out bananas and Panera Bread bagels. And I could see the finish line off in the distance. At the three-mile mark, the app said the pace was 7:14, and I was thinking that there were three seven-minute miles in there and I might be doing pretty good.

Usually there is big clock at the finish line, but not this time, at least that I could see. Crossing the line and looking at the iPhone, the app read 22:49. No way. The race of my life, about four minutes better than my previous best.

Seeing this, I bounced -- not crawled -- over to the bagels and bananas, and even had some yogurt and other samples, then waited for preliminary results to get posted.

I saw the "Males - 46-50 category," and started at the bottom, because I'm usually somewhere in the lower third. I couldn't find my name and wondered if the chip malfunctioned, since I crossed the finish line on my way into the race when I was running to make the start and heard a beep. Good thing I had the app to know the time. But I kept moving up the column, and there I was, near the top! I was No. 8 out of about 50 in the age category. They had me listed at 23:00.47 for the chip time, and 26:33 for the clock time.

Overall, I was No. 127 out of 2,276 timed runners -- there were more than 6,000 overall when the walkers and dogs people are included -- 99 of all males. That's about four minutes better than the personal best, and two minutes better than my goal.

I don't know if I panicking added adrenaline, or weaving around people actually conserved energy that I used later, or if I would have done even better had I not screwed up the start time. But I'll take it!

Now, all that said, run in a Komen race if you ever get the chance. It's a great cause, and very emotional as you see all the breast cancer survivors in their pink shirts, and all the people running with names of loved ones who are fighting the disease, or who they have lost. Lots of tears, but a lot of nice tears. There are people in that race who are celebrating a lot more than beating their personal best, and it keeps things in perspective.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 25 2010 06:21 PM
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speedy. Holy shit.

I tried to do 10 today but of all things I think I taped my ankle too tight and got f'ed up by that, petering out just shy of 8 and with a long walk home.

Fman99
Sep 25 2010 07:33 PM
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Nice work MGIM! I aspire to hit that 23 minute mark one of these days myself...

There's a 5k around the corner tomorrow morning, I may or may not run in it depending on when I get up and how I feel in the morning.

metsguyinmichigan
Sep 25 2010 07:34 PM
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Go for it! If I can do it, so can you.

Now, make sure you know what time the race starts....

themetfairy
Sep 25 2010 07:52 PM
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michigan - great job. That's awesome!

Lunchie - nice job getting 8 in, considering today's weather. It was soupy out there.

Fman - if you run tomorrow (and I hope you do), best of luck!

metsmarathon
Sep 26 2010 06:46 AM
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um. fuck. that's an age-graded time of between 20:46 (for 46 y/o) and 20:07 (for 50 y/o).

damned impressive! those are the kinds of times i'm striving for this year...

metsguyinmichigan
Sep 26 2010 11:17 AM
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Thanks, MM! The results page had this:

Age Grade 62.1%

I have no idea what that means.

themetfairy
Sep 26 2010 01:52 PM
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I ran the Fifth Avenue Mile today in 9:36. Most of you would blow this time out of the water, but I would have been happy with anything under ten minutes, so I'm thrilled.

metsmarathon's advice, as always, was very helpful. The first half of the course is uphill, but the second half is downhill. It was helpful knowing that the uphill climb was going to break at the halfway point of the race.

It was a lot of fun, and I'm glad I did it.

metsguyinmichigan
Sep 26 2010 07:15 PM
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Way to go, Triple-7!!!! That looks like a really fun event!

themetfairy
Sep 26 2010 07:32 PM
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Thanks michigan! I love that bib number

And the race was a lot of fun. Perhaps we could do it as a CPF event one of these years, followed by a game at Citi Field :)

Fman99
Sep 26 2010 08:38 PM
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Go for it! If I can do it, so can you.

Now, make sure you know what time the race starts....


I run to run for me! FOR ME!



Eh, I wasn't feeling it... we didn't get home till after 10 PM last night, and I got killed last Sunday trying to get the groceries after lunch (which I have to do if I can't get them on Sunday morning if I'm in a race), and I've raced 3 of the last 4 weekends and have another booked for next Sunday, so I bagged it. I did run a cool 26:14 3.25 mile run in my neighborhood this afternoon and I had energy to spare, so I'm feeling good today.

themetfairy
Sep 26 2010 08:41 PM
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Sounds good. If you weren't in the mood, then you weren't in the mood. But nice job on the training run, and best of luck next weekend!

metsguyinmichigan
Sep 26 2010 09:47 PM
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I ran the Fifth Avenue Mile today in 9:36. Most of you would blow this time out of the water, but I would have been happy with anything under ten minutes, so I'm thrilled.

metsmarathon's advice, as always, was very helpful. The first half of the course is uphill, but the second half is downhill. It was helpful knowing that the uphill climb was going to break at the halfway point of the race.

It was a lot of fun, and I'm glad I did it.



I'm going to assume you passed 3127. She doesn't look like she's going to finish!

themetfairy
Sep 27 2010 07:53 AM
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LOL michigan - I don't know whom I passed or who passed me. I was just happy to get to the finish line in under 10 minutes :)

Meanwhile, I just gutted out 7 miles on the treadmill, which puts me over the 100 mile mark for the third consecutive month. Only 182.5 miles to top 1,000 for the year :)

Fman99
Sep 28 2010 05:52 AM
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I ran a treadmill-best 24:16 5k yesterday. I couldn't have done it much faster, I was totally gassed at that point. Damn the treadmill and it's phony baloney running environment.

themetfairy
Sep 28 2010 06:05 AM
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Good work Fman!

The treadmill totally kicked my ass yesterday, so I can appreciate the work that you did.

metsguyinmichigan
Sep 28 2010 07:47 AM
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I like to watch DVDs of hour television shows to pass time on the treadmill. Now I'm going through West Wing. That takes the first 42 minutes, and then I plug in the iPod for the other 20 minutes or so.

themetfairy
Sep 28 2010 09:23 AM
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I'm seriously toying with the idea of a 4-week taper period to the Marathon, rather than the more traditional 3-weeks.

It's more about the calendar than anything else; D-Dad is going to be out of town during the time I originally planned to run my final 20-mile run, and I'm uncomfortable being out of touch from the kids for four and a half hours if he's not around to back me up. Plus the weather forecast for next week looks beautiful. So I'm thinking of doing a long run of 20 miles next week, 12-15 the following week, and tapering from there.

The Second Spitter
Sep 28 2010 08:54 PM
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Just did 11km in 1:04 in the Santa Monica evening. More importantly, I took my shirt off during the run, not for my own personal comfort but for the ladies of SoCal. I'd post a photo, but out of respect to the married women on this forum, I shall refrain from doing so.

themetfairy
Sep 28 2010 08:57 PM
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Post away. I love ya man, but I can control myself ;)

Fman99
Sep 29 2010 09:18 PM
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While I still hate the treadmill it did help me realize that I had been running a bit too easily, and not pushing myself the last few weeks. I was back outside today and I busted it out of the box, mile splits at 7:04/7:36/7:41, and a 3.25 mile time of 24:16, all near-personal or personal bests. I feel great, too. Looking forward to 5k #9 this weekend.

themetfairy
Sep 29 2010 09:21 PM
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Good work Fman!

Ceetar
Sep 30 2010 11:30 AM
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Which running apps/Android do you guys use if any? I tried this Cardio Tracker one but it sucked and kept stalling when I put it in my pocket.

themetfairy
Sep 30 2010 11:35 AM
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I like Buddy Runner. I've mostly used it for walking, but I've run with it a couple of times.

Fman99
Sep 30 2010 12:48 PM
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Ceetar wrote:
Which running apps/Android do you guys use if any? I tried this Cardio Tracker one but it sucked and kept stalling when I put it in my pocket.


I used to use iMapMyRun (the free version) but the social networking components stopped working. I just downloaded RunKeeper again for a second try.

Fman99
Oct 01 2010 08:43 PM
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Gave RunKeeper a second go today and it works just fine. Nice big numbers on the display, posts in one shot to FB and Twitter and keeps an log of your runs like the other apps. I have it on the iPhone but I believe they also have an Android app available.

metsmarathon
Oct 01 2010 08:45 PM
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i probably wouldn't use imapmyrun even if i were still running. its just rare that i would be running someplace, not have a computer, but still have wifi. plus, why would i be running with my itouch?





wait. what?

oh yeah. see, this past sunday, i somehow triggered, through no known overt action, what I still suspect to be a spontaneous pneumothorax. I say suspect because I have no independent medical corroboration to the fact.

you see, for some reason I thought it not imprudent to forgo a trip to an emergency room opting instead for a business trip to tucson. see, the first time i collapsed a lung, it hurt like hell and it took me a day and a half before I finally got to an ER, and even played some racquetball with the thing. the next time, it didn't hurt so much, and I went to the ER, and was sent home - a minor pneumothorax will take care of itself, i was told. and that one did.

this time around, it felt more like the latter than the former, so i figured that if it really is a collapsed lung, that it didn't require a hospital stay and would be likely to resolve itself.

plus, I thought the trip would be fruitful (it wasn't).

regardless, after a few days it started feeling better. in an effort to feel it out, and also to see if it was really lung-related, I gave running a try. monday, i ran 0.3 miles. next day, 1.2 miles. third day, 3.75 miles. that wasn't smart, really. i don't think i hurt anything, but it didn't help either.

that day, though I would fly home on the red-eye. then sleep a bunch the next. today, I finally got myself to an ER.

chest x-rays were taken.

lungs look fine, or at least fully inflated.

hmm. is it weird that i'm disappointed that there was no collapse noted?

at least then I'd know what it is. or at least I'd have my suspicions confirmed. i guess this makes my going on the trip less colossally stupid, but still...

until I'm told otherwise, i'm sticking with the collapse. on monday, i'll be finding and calling a pulmonologist for a more authoritative opinion. i don't feel right, but i'm not hurting. so that's good. i'm also proceeding as if i have had a 3rd collapse. i don't think there's any real lifestyle changes i need to make, other than getting much more sleep, as i think that is a primary contributor this time (mostly because I can't think of anything else). but i'm putting myself on the shelf for a month, hard, and should slowly start ramping up my intensity in november, with nothing hard or intense until maybe mid-november, possibly december or january.

so no 8-mile trail run next week. no work 5k the week after. no trail half marathon (i can't yet bring myself to call them pikermis) in sovember. probably no turkey trot for a pr attempt. and likely no disney pikermi, er, half marathon in january. see, it doesn't seem right does it?

i'm going to have to be very disciplined to be able to still make a run at a bq next fall. at the very least my legs should be fresh next year. i've gotta get back to the gym now to do light weights easy and slow without causing any heavy breathing. and ditto for riding the bike. light and slow, just to maintain fitness. no sooner than mid october, i think, though.

and i've gotta watch my food intake most especially. i won't be burning many calories for a few months. this may be the greatest challenge. i love food.

but then, maybe next week, i see a doctor and he'll be able to figure out what happened, and if it was something else and something minor, maybe i don't miss much time at all.

we'll see.

updates to follow, for sure.

sigh.

Fman99
Oct 01 2010 09:00 PM
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Tough break, MM. Hope you mend sooner than later.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 01 2010 09:06 PM
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Yeah, being injured and liking food sucks, I can say for sure.

themetfairy
Oct 02 2010 05:00 AM
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Feel better mm!

Rockin' Doc
Oct 02 2010 07:10 AM
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Best of luck at the doctor's office and I wish you a speedy recovery.

Rockin' Doc
Oct 02 2010 11:10 AM
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Just got back from a great workout. I did my usual weight training with so little difficulty that I decided that it's time to again up the weight for each station on Monday or Tuesday. I hit the treadmill and decided to run for 50 minutes and see how far I could get in that time. I opted to set a good steady pace and not push myself for time. I hit the 5K mark in 24:57 feeling strong. I was able to maintain a smooth pace to the 48 minute mark. I then picked up the pace a little for the final 2 minutes. I hit the 10K mark in 49:35 and finished with 6.25 miles total. I am really psyched that I actually ran the second 5K (24:39) a little faster than the first one.

The Second Spitter
Oct 02 2010 12:54 PM
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metsmarathon wrote:

oh yeah. see, this past sunday, i somehow triggered, through no known overt action, what I still suspect to be a spontaneous pneumothorax.


Wow, you may be part-Human, after all.

(Get better soon, dude)

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 02 2010 03:47 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

2 bridges, 10.6 miles today.

Rockin' Doc
Oct 02 2010 05:00 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

It must take a pretty long time to run 10.6 miles. I still have a long way to go to reach that distance. Truthfully, I'm not sure I'll ever stretch it out that far. I'm afraid that spending more than an hour on a run would cut into my goofing off time too much.

Fman99
Oct 02 2010 05:56 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
2 bridges, 10.6 miles today.


You go boy!

I am running the Syracuse Festival of Races 5k tomorrow. This race is the national USATF 5k championship for men over age 40 and so there will be former Olympians and nationally renowned runners there. Last year out of 450 runners close to 200 of them finished in less than 20 minutes. So I expect to be in the back third of the runners, which is fine. It's also supposed to be a fast course and good running weather (mid 50's, partly sunny).

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 02 2010 05:58 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

It's the same route I crapped out on last weekend, so I tried to keep it nice n' slow. But the foot held up and the weather was very nice for running and I made it home without too much fatigue in 1:41.

themetfairy
Oct 02 2010 08:26 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Nice work RD and Lunchie.

Best of luck tomorrow Fman!

The Second Spitter
Oct 02 2010 08:58 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
2 bridges, 10.6 miles today.


I'm doing the Bridge to Bridge run (12k) tomorrow in Frisco -- then I'm running to my hotel to shower and then running to the ballpark. So in reality it's a Bridge to Bridge to Hotel to Ballpark Run

themetfairy
Oct 02 2010 10:57 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Have fun!

Fman99
Oct 03 2010 08:31 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Festival of Races was great, killed my PR, 23:06 gun time. Feel super.

Fman99
Oct 03 2010 12:26 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Official results posted, 23:12 gun time and a chip time of exactly 23 minutes. So I tied MGIM's recent results and beat my best race time by 37 seconds.

metsmarathon
Oct 03 2010 05:26 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

great... i leave the door open just a crack, and y'all just keep on busting through...

nice job!

themetfairy
Oct 03 2010 06:09 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Nice work Fman!

Rockin' Doc
Oct 03 2010 07:31 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Great race Fman. Slicing 37 seconds off your personal best is quite a feat. You and metsguy are too damn fast for me.*


*I don't doubt that there are several others that are too fast for me to run with. marathon doesn't count since he is a cyber mentor/coach to the CPF and I consider him pretty much a semiprofessional runner.

metsmarathon
Oct 03 2010 08:02 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

you could totally kick my ass right now.

Fman99
Oct 03 2010 08:11 PM
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Thanks guys.

I am proud of what I have accomplished thus far in 2010, not only running nine 5k races but shaving more than two minutes off of my times from the first race to the most recent.

So I got to the race this morning about 45 minutes before start time. The Festival of Races 5k is held just off of the Syracuse University campus; the start and finish lines are in front of Manley Field House which is where most of the team's non-Carrier Dome athletics are played. And what I noticed when I got out of my car was that it was COLD.

About 45 degrees, to be precise. I am wearing just a tech tee and shorts and a baseball cap. My arms are cold and my hands are numb. Luckily the shirt they gave out to the runners was a long sleeved tech shirt, so I layer up and basically hop around until race time. This gets it done and it starts to warm up as the 9 AM gun time approaches. At about 8:55 I pop over to my car and ditch the hat and long sleeve tee as it had warmed up. And then it's GO TIME.

The course is basically a single hill at the start, followed by a mile and a half or so of suburban roads out, and then back again. A couple of things made this run different. First, in addition to a one mile split they had people calling out the splits at 1K, 2K, 3K, and 4k. Now I normally track my running in miles so I'm doing math in my head. Another difference is a chip time at 2.5K, basically a gate to run through halfway. Just something different.

At the 1K mark I'm clocked in at a cool 4:30. This is a decent pace for me, I figure at this pace I'm done in 22:30 and even if I slow down a bit I may break 23 minutes. My 1 mile split was a 7:05 which is about as fast as I've run them during the week. The sun is shining and I've got lots of elbow room... as this is a USATF sanctioned event I started in the back third and basically kept my place for the duration.

At the 2K split I'm just over 9 minutes, so I'm still feeling good. I hit the turn, get to 3K at 13:35 or so. Still close to that 22:30-23 minute pace. Now is when I ease up just a smidge, as I'm starting to feel the gas. It's all flat here, and one or two runners pass me and I pass one or two others here and there, but I hit the 4K mark at a slower 18 minutes and 30 seconds. Now I realize that if I want to set a PR I have to turn the jets back on.

I get to the hill that started the race and someone calls out that I'm 400m from the finish. Just at this point the course veers and goes downhill and I find a little bit of a burst. I can see the clock and I know I've busted my PR by a nice margin, and I cruise in for a gun time of 23:12. I spent half the day wondering what my chip time was, as they weren't posting it anytime right after the race, but I knew I was several seconds behind the front group. Turns out I had a chip time of exactly 23 minutes.

But perhaps the best part of the event for me was watching a certain runner near the end of the finishers... there was someone working the PA system calling out bib numbers and names for the finishers as they crossed, and they announced it for all to see. Henry Sypniewski, trucking down the home stretch at around the 41 minute mark, wearing bib #92. Age 92. Set a USATF record for the fastest 5k ever run by a man at that age with a gun time of 41 minutes flat. I got choked up, I will admit it. This guy got some well-deserved cheers out there today.

No 5k races on the docket that I am pre-registered for. I am sure to run at least one more in 2010 as it was my resolution to do ten of them this year. There are a few races here and there between now and Thanksgiving, though I already have my eye on a "Turkey Trot" 5k on Thanksgiving morning.

Fman99
Oct 03 2010 08:31 PM
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Funny, too, to have run that fast and finish 273rd out of 430 runners. Nearly 150 of them clocked in at under 20 minutes.

themetfairy
Oct 03 2010 08:33 PM
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WTG Fman - that's awesome!

The Second Spitter
Oct 04 2010 12:02 AM
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Did the Bridge2bridge run in 67 mins. Wanted to run sub-60 but have a lot of gunk in my lungs from the LA smog and Dominican cigars. I also struggled with the hilly course and the Sat night piss-up.

metsguyinmichigan
Oct 04 2010 04:24 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Fman99 wrote:
Official results posted, 23:12 gun time and a chip time of exactly 23 minutes. So I tied MGIM's recent results and beat my best race time by 37 seconds.


Outstanding!!!!

themetfairy
Oct 04 2010 05:33 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

The Second Spitter wrote:
Did the Bridge2bridge run in 67 mins. Wanted to run sub-60 but have a lot of gunk in my lungs from the LA smog and Dominican cigars. I also struggled with the hilly course and the Sat night piss-up.


Very cool!

How bad were the hills?

The Second Spitter
Oct 04 2010 02:30 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

I was expecting far worse and certainly nothing as bad as that hill in the City2Surf in Sydney. However it was blowy: hills+head wind= pain

themetfairy
Oct 04 2010 02:45 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Feel better!

One day I want to do the Bay to Breakers run.

themetfairy
Oct 05 2010 10:53 AM
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I ran a fugly 20 miles today in 4:32:55. But fugly or not, I did it :)

Now I can start a very gradual taper to the Marathon, and hopefully be fresh for that.

metsmarathon
Oct 06 2010 12:11 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

that's excellent! i'm glad you were able to get two of them in before the marathon.

the gradual taper is a good idea. just don't cut back too much too soon, or your body will think it's vacation time! i think with the two half marathons you have planned, you shouldn't have any problem with that.

...

a stop in at my doctors office yesterday has me feeling a little better. he did not, unlike the er doc, reject out of hand the notion that someone who has had two spontaneous pneumothoraces in the past could possible endure a third, and be able to recognize it, no less! he gave me a good stethoscoping, and didn't hear anything alarming. a little constricting of airways that is probably just some scar tissue, and an otherwise natural response to the collapsed lung. i've got some discomfort when i inhale that seems likely due to an inflammation of the tissues surrounding the lungs, which i've either pissed off, or have managed to get infected with some sort of virus. given some tylenol, it should get better and go away on its own. if not, i go back.

i can't remember if i felt this way the first time. granted, then, i had a tube in my chest, so i probably would've attributed these feelings to that. i also had a nice bit of bed rest, too, to help the lungs feel better.

the second time was so much less serious, that i don't think i felt too banged up afterwards, certainly not for any long amount of time, though it did contribute to fucking up my subsequent track season...

i'm hoping i feel more normal by next week. it kills me that i'm missing out on three trail races i've really been looking forward to. if it could snow, heavily, this weekend, i wouldn't be terribly upset.

themetfairy
Oct 06 2010 12:47 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Thanks mm. No more half marathons (I did the one in Philly last month, and skipped the Diva), but I'm planning a gradual taper. 12=15 miles next week, 9-10 miles the following week, and 6 miles the week before the Marathon.

I'm glad that you've seen a doctor who seems on board with your lung situation. I hope the Tylenol helps and that you're back out there soon!

metsmarathon
Oct 06 2010 01:12 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

right then. good plan nonetheless. :)

themetfairy
Oct 06 2010 01:28 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Thanks mm :)

I was going to do the 20 next week, but then was anxious because D-Dad is going out of town and I didn't want to be away from the phone in case of emergency for four and a half hours if he wasn't around to back me up. So I got it over with this week :)

Fman99
Oct 09 2010 08:11 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Met my goal today of running ten 5k races in 2010, and set another personal best with a chip time of 22:44 in the Hometown Heroes 5k race. My watch time read 22:39.

I feel great, the best part of the whole thing is the rush of speeding towards that finish line.

themetfairy
Oct 09 2010 08:21 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

WTG Fman! That's superlative!

metsmarathon
Oct 09 2010 09:06 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

ok. that's it. you've gotta stop.

Rockin' Doc
Oct 09 2010 11:46 AM
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Congratulations on a great race today Fman. I think you are starting to make marathon a little nervous when it comes to speed in the 5K.

I did 5.69 miles in 45 minutes today. I'm happy to say that the opening mile of 8:02 was the slowest one I ran.

Fman99
Oct 09 2010 01:40 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Thanks all. I did not figure to get under 23 minutes this year so I am more than pleased with the progress I've made. I also feel that I have potential to shave more time off of my pace, there are parts of the 5k in the 3rd mile where I'm running less than full bore.

themetfairy
Oct 09 2010 07:28 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Rockin' Doc wrote:
Congratulations on a great race today Fman. I think you are starting to make marathon a little nervous when it comes to speed in the 5K.

I did 5.69 miles in 45 minutes today. I'm happy to say that the opening mile of 8:02 was the slowest one I ran.



Nice job RD!

themetfairy
Oct 11 2010 02:10 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

I did my long run for the week today. It's part of my extended tapering, so I put in 13.1 miles.

Now my glute hurts, but that's par for the course after long runs these days. Ben Gay patches and ibuprofen to get through the rest of the day.

T-Minus 27 days until the Marathon. Nothing longer than 10 miles between now and then :)

Fman99
Oct 11 2010 08:37 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

themetfairy wrote:
I did my long run for the week today. It's part of my extended tapering, so I put in 13.1 miles.

Now my glute hurts, but that's par for the course after long runs these days. Ben Gay patches and ibuprofen to get through the rest of the day.

T-Minus 27 days until the Marathon. Nothing longer than 10 miles between now and then :)


Nice job! I am rooting for you... while I don't aspire to run anything much longer than a 5 mile or so run I'm enjoying the process vicariously through your experience in preparing for it and everything that that entails.

I ran an enjoyable 30:30 3.75 mile run today. The weather was sublime and I will be sad when it turns. Having said that I think I need to outfit myself with some cold weather attire because the treadmill really pales in comparison to outdoor running.

I know I need some running gloves, having labored through cold hands on the last two 5k races I ran. I think I need some running tights, some kind of "fruity leotard" as JCL put it, and whatever else might work for me. What I like is that the local park where I run all year has a three mile stretch that they plow all winter specifically for runners and other winter outdoor activity. So, theoretically, that should be a moderately less hostile (fos Syracuse winter) running environment.

Any advice from the CPF Running Club on winter outdoor running gear I should invest in?

themetfairy
Oct 11 2010 09:05 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Thanks Fman! I bet you do a 10K or two next year.

And I'm totally in awe of your speed - excellent progress man!

As for winter wear, I think that some trial and error is necessary. Buy a few different kinds of things and see how you like the fit and feel. I personally love Under Armour - it fits well and doesn't wear out quickly.

One thing I find about winter running is that I'm freezing when I start out, but get really hot after a mile or so. It's good if you can wear an outer layer that you can tie around your waist when you start heating up.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 11 2010 09:12 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

I think what I wear is what MM would have suggested in this thread somewhere. Cold weather running seems scary but at least when I was healthy I enjoyed it.

Invest in snug-fitting (not skintight, not loose) running pants. I have a nice pair from Craft, I think. I also have a thick "cold gear" jacket from UnderArmour, also snug fitting, with a high zip collar if necessary. Saucony skull cap that covers the ears, running gloves from Deschutes or some shit. Underneath, compression tights & top.

You wouldn't need all that right away of course.

themetfairy
Oct 11 2010 09:16 PM
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Also, if you're just running 5K at your quick speed, you can get away with less technical clothing. Sometimes I go out in a couple of long sleeved T-shirts, and take off the outer layer when I heat up.

You'll need something for your head to keep the heat in. When it's really cold I'll use a hat, but when it's not as bad I'll just use a headband to protect my ears.

So long as you're comfortable and getting your miles in, it works.

Fman99
Oct 12 2010 06:22 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Thanks guys.

metsmarathon
Oct 12 2010 06:58 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

i'll come at ya with a more detailed post, but i recommend the following:

two pairs of gloves - one light, the other heavier. the only thing worse that cold hands are hands that are too damned warm. specific recommendations to follow.
loose tight running pants - trust me, it makes sense. they're way less fruity than tights, and more comfortable. plus you can wear them over tights when you really need to be warm.
running tights - some days its just fucking cold out.
a hat or an ear wrap headband thing - my head gets inordinately warm when i run, so i really don't wear a hat. but the ear-warmer headband i do wear. and usually take off and put back on a lot. my head gets hot, but my ears get cold. its a delicate balancing act.
compression shirts - again, some days its really fucking cold out. you'll want one under your regular long sleeve shirt.
jacket, vest, etc - its all about mixing and matching, here. some days, you'll be okay with just a vest to keep your core warm, other days, no. a really light jacket can be your best friend.

if you're not doing long runs in the winter, your clothing requirements are far lesser than they would be if you were training for a winter or spring marathon. but you still need to make some smart investments. runners world had a good primer that they seem to put out around this time of year. i'll see if i can find it. but it gives recommendations for what to wear when the weather is howsoever cold.

bottom line is, you want to be a little chilly when you start out. you will warm up. it sucks to get a mile into your run, be sweating bullets, and have to peel off (and carry) three layers, finishing your run in your sweat-drenched under-layers. of course, it also sucks to be five mile into your long run, and realize your fingers are really starting to go numb, and your meager gloves just aren't doing the trick.

i must say that each year, it does take me a while to figure out what to wear when, as i tend to lose that sardonic memory each summer. plus, i get really warm when i run. i may have mentioned that. so for shorter runs, i'm likely to just wear a long sleeve t-shirt, shorts, and a pair of gloves down to 40 degrees or so.

and no winter-running advice would be complete without a mention of reflectivity and blinky lights. both are good.

metsmarathon
Oct 12 2010 08:43 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

so, a pair of examples of running gloves:

men's nike thermal run glove

i have an older pair of these as my cold weather glove. they're comfy, cozy, and have a fleecy thumb for nose-wiping. that is a key, critical feature for cold weather running. they're also reasonable wind-proof. but if its not cold enough outside, they can get really warm in there. which is why i also have a pair of these, or similar:

asics reflective knit gloves

they keep the chill off until it gets to freezing or below, then the wind can rip through them. but if all you need to do is fight chilly fingertips, these are great. they're also fairly soft, and won't shred your nose.

if its really cold, windy, and snowy out, you might need something more hardcore than these, but this should get you through much of your winter running needs, and at least give you a starting point. you can always buy more gloves, but these are cheap enough, and certainly useful enough, that you probably wouldn't kick yourself for buying them first.

...

here's a quick primer on cold weather wear from rw

themetfairy
Oct 12 2010 08:59 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

I have gloves where the fingers fold back, so they're really warm in the beginning but not as warm once I heat up internally and open them up.

themetfairy
Oct 12 2010 10:07 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

mm - I've seen the elevation chart for the Marathon, but what are the grades of the inclines? Specifically, the 59th St. Bridge and miles 23-26.2?

Thanks!

metsmarathon
Oct 12 2010 12:40 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

i'll have to look into it. offhand, i'd say that the bridge is probably 3% up, 4% down. the park, there could be a brief 5% tucked in there.

and having looked into it, i've gotta say, i'm a freakin' genius.

i looked at the elevation chart, going mostly in quarter mile increments. going over the bridge, you've got the following:

[table:1c34l95g][tr:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]mile[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]elevation[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]climb[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]grade[/td:1c34l95g][/tr:1c34l95g][tr:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]15[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]25[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]10[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]0.8%[/td:1c34l95g][/tr:1c34l95g][tr:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]15.25[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]70[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]45[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]3.4%[/td:1c34l95g][/tr:1c34l95g][tr:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]15.5[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]110[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]40[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]3.0%[/td:1c34l95g][/tr:1c34l95g][tr:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]15.75[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]130[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]20[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]1.5%[/td:1c34l95g][/tr:1c34l95g][tr:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]16[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]115[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]-15[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]-1.1%[/td:1c34l95g][/tr:1c34l95g][tr:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]16.25[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]85[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]-30[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]-2.3%[/td:1c34l95g][/tr:1c34l95g][tr:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]16.5[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]45[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]-40[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]-3.0%[/td:1c34l95g][/tr:1c34l95g][/table:1c34l95g]

so the peak of the bridge is at 15.75 miles. over the prior quarter mile, you will have climbed 20', attaining an elevation of 130'. that quarter mile had an average grade of 1.5%.

my analysis really isn't fine enough to capture it, but coming back down the bridge on the manhattan side, it gets steeper right at the end, if only briefly; looks like it might be a brief 4% or greater, for maybe a tenth of a mile, if that. its not much, but it'll really burn your quads out if you let it!

the course is pretty much flat until you get to mile 23. there's a little drop at 18:

[table:1c34l95g][tr:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]mile[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]elevation[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]climb[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]grade[/td:1c34l95g][/tr:1c34l95g][tr:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]18[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]15[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]-35[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]-2.7%[/td:1c34l95g][/tr:1c34l95g][/table:1c34l95g]

but otherwise nothing of note.

then you get to mile 23. sneaky mile 23. dastardly mile 23. confidence-wrecking mile 23. i don't like mile 23, if you hadn't noticed.

running through to the end:

[table:1c34l95g][tr:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]mile[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]elevation[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]climb[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]grade[/td:1c34l95g][/tr:1c34l95g][tr:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]23[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]35[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]15[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]1.1%[/td:1c34l95g][/tr:1c34l95g][tr:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]23.25[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]65[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]30[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]2.3%[/td:1c34l95g][/tr:1c34l95g][tr:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]23.5[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]90[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]25[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]1.9%[/td:1c34l95g][/tr:1c34l95g][tr:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]23.75[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]105[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]15[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]1.1%[/td:1c34l95g][/tr:1c34l95g][tr:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]24[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]105[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]0[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]0.0%[/td:1c34l95g][/tr:1c34l95g][tr:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]24.25[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]100[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]-5[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]-0.4%[/td:1c34l95g][/tr:1c34l95g][tr:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]24.375[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]100[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]0[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]0.0%[/td:1c34l95g][/tr:1c34l95g][tr:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]24.5[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]75[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]-25[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]-3.8%[/td:1c34l95g][/tr:1c34l95g][tr:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]24.625[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]45[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]-30[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]-4.5%[/td:1c34l95g][/tr:1c34l95g][tr:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]24.75[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]75[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]30[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]4.5%[/td:1c34l95g][/tr:1c34l95g][tr:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]25[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]70[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]-5[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]-0.4%[/td:1c34l95g][/tr:1c34l95g][tr:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]25.25[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]65[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]-5[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]-0.4%[/td:1c34l95g][/tr:1c34l95g][tr:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]25.5[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]50[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]-15[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]-1.1%[/td:1c34l95g][/tr:1c34l95g][tr:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]25.6[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]40[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]-10[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]-1.9%[/td:1c34l95g][/tr:1c34l95g][tr:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]25.75[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]75[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]35[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]4.4%[/td:1c34l95g][/tr:1c34l95g][tr:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]26[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]70[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]-5[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]-0.4%[/td:1c34l95g][/tr:1c34l95g][tr:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]26.25[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]90[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]20[/td:1c34l95g][td:1c34l95g]1.5%[/td:1c34l95g][/tr:1c34l95g][/table:1c34l95g]

you'll note that i broke out the roller coaster between 24.375 and 24.75. its sharp, and would get lost in my typical quarter mile resolution. i believe that's the hill with the kitty cat looking down on you, ready to pounce at the first sign of weakness. then the steep little thing from 25.6 to 25.75. (honestly, i cannot remember this being there. the elevation chart and top map suggest that it is real, a 35' climb from 5th ave to 7th ave, but i never noticed it. i notice the slight downhill from 7th on to columbus circle, but not the uphill. going off memory, i would never have given it a mention) those are your near 5% grades. there might be some smaller rollercoasters tucked in there, but nothing of note.

themetfairy
Oct 12 2010 12:48 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

I love you man!

Thank you - this is invaluable.

Rockin' Doc
Oct 12 2010 07:40 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Inspired by the recent personal best times of both Fman and Metsguy, I decided to go on a shorter run and try pushing the pace a little bit this evening. I ran a personal best of 23:36 for 5K and did 3.94 miles in 30 minutes. Not exactly pushing Fman and Metsguy, but a good time for me. I'm pretty sure I can go a little faster, but I am trying to increase speed in small increments to keep from burning out or pulling something.

I like to keep setting new goals to work towards. I'm working toward getting myself ready to actually run a race or two next spring if I can hopefully get my 5K time down around 23:00. I'm also working toward a new goal of running 7.5 miles in 60 minutes or less since I recently reached my goal of 10K in under 50 minutes. Having recently done 10K in under 50 minutes I have decided to work toward a target of 7.50 miles in 60 minutes.

I appreciate all the comraderie and support in this thread. Most of my buddies think I'm crazy for running like I do. Keep on running ladies and gentleman, your accomplishments inspire me to keep going.

themetfairy
Oct 12 2010 07:47 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

WTG RD - you are definitely ready to race!

We HAVE to find a CPF 5k to run in 2011!

metsmarathon
Oct 12 2010 08:20 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

in a race, you'll probably run faster. especially since you'd only be running the 3.1 miles. should get darned close to 23:00.

Fman99
Oct 12 2010 09:01 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Rockin' Doc wrote:
Inspired by the recent personal best times of both Fman and Metsguy, I decided to go on a shorter run and try pushing the pace a little bit this evening. I ran a personal best of 23:36 for 5K and did 3.94 miles in 30 minutes. Not exactly pushing Fman and Metsguy, but a good time for me. I'm pretty sure I can go a little faster, but I am trying to increase speed in small increments to keep from burning out or pulling something.

I like to keep setting new goals to work towards. I'm working toward getting myself ready to actually run a race or two next spring if I can hopefully get my 5K time down around 23:00. I'm also working toward a new goal of running 7.5 miles in 60 minutes or less since I recently reached my goal of 10K in under 50 minutes. Having recently done 10K in under 50 minutes I have decided to work toward a target of 7.50 miles in 60 minutes.

I appreciate all the comraderie and support in this thread. Most of my buddies think I'm crazy for running like I do. Keep on running ladies and gentleman, your accomplishments inspire me to keep going.


Nicely done! You're a speed demon, you are.

And, for the record, I love the idea of a CPF 5k somewhere that we could all participate in. I'd be willing to trek down to New Jersey for that. But only if we have our shirts done by then.

themetfairy
Oct 13 2010 10:36 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

We definitely need the running shirts for our team!

Meanwhile, I'm feeling the first pangs of taper madness. So far the taper is going according to plan - I got my 20 miler in last week, and 13.1 miles in on Monday. It's T-Minus 25 days until the Marathon. In my head, between now and then, I want to put in long runs of 10 miles, 8 miles and 6 miles, leading up to a very light week before the Marathon (3 miles on Monday, 3 miles on Wednesday and 2 miles on Friday).

mm - if I did 13.1 on Monday, is Friday too early for the 10-miler? Or should I make myself wait until Sunday to run that one? Then a week or so later I'll do the 8-miler, and a week or so after that the 6-miler. Does that sound reasonable?

metsmarathon
Oct 13 2010 10:46 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

taper always drives me batty. not as batty as time off, but close.

friday is fine for the 10-miler, provided you're feeling fresh enough. if you don't need hte extra two days to recover from the 13 (you most likely don't), then go for it. better to squeeze hte runs into your schedule than to squeeze them out!

themetfairy
Oct 13 2010 10:48 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Thanks mm :)

I've actually been feeling surprisingly good after the long runs. I needed some ibuprofen to get through the day after the 13.1, but not a lot, and by the next day I was really feeling fine.

By this point I just want to get to the Marathon and get it done with

themetfairy
Oct 13 2010 12:33 PM
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themetfairy
Oct 13 2010 01:14 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

What I'm loving about the taper is the decline in the amount of time I have to dedicate to my long runs. Part of what scared me to death about the 20-milers was the concept of devoting over four and a half hours to a run. With my upcoming 10-miler, I only have to block out half that amount of time.

I won't love the days off at the end. But being able to get away with shorter and shorter long runs each week is making me really happy.

metsmarathon
Oct 13 2010 04:48 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

themetfairy wrote:


i have that shirt. love it.

themetfairy
Oct 14 2010 09:54 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

I looked at the weather forecast and decided to get the 10 mile run over with today. 10.2 miles, to be exact. That leaves me with an 8 miler next week and a 6 miler the week after - I'm loving the fact that my upcoming long runs aren't going to be the kind of time sucks that the 15-20 mile runs have been.

I'm up to 901 miles for the year. I figure I'll hit the coveted 1,000 mile mark some time near Thanksgiving. It's just a number, but it's something I never expected to be able to achieve. Whatever I do or don't do running-wise after the Marathon, I am really proud of myself for what I have done this year.

metsmarathon
Oct 14 2010 11:06 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

i'm hoping to hit the 1,000 mile mark by thanksgiving too. i seem to've stalled out at 979...

themetfairy
Oct 14 2010 11:14 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

feel better mm!

metsmarathon
Oct 14 2010 12:42 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

sigh. had i run, i could've taken first place age group awards in both races that i missed this weekend.

in the one, trail 5k, there were no runners in my age group.

in the other, trail 8 mile, the leader in my age group finished behind runners who i've beaten in other races. and even if i failed to take first, i would've easily taken second or third.

i knew i shouldn't've looked.

but next year...

themetfairy
Oct 14 2010 12:43 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Wait 'til next year!

Will you be running again in December? Any interest in the Big Chill 5K at Freakin' Rutgers on December 11th?

metsmarathon
Oct 14 2010 12:54 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

i'm hoping to run again this weekend - take it easy, see how it goes. i would be very surprised if i'm not running in november. in fact, i would be rather alarmed. big chill is definitely a possibility.

themetfairy
Oct 14 2010 01:21 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Cool! I've done Big Chill a couple of times. It's a nice little race :)

themetfairy
Oct 17 2010 09:40 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

I couldn't be in DC today to join Jen for the ALS Walk, so I wore the Meet the Jens shirt during today's training run in order to be with her in cyberunity -



I actually dedicated my run to plural Jens. Team McGraw's Jen McDevitt has been an inspiration to those who are battling brain cancer, and she's a wonderful person to boot.

FWIW, I felt really good out there today; this was my best run since the 5K I ran last month!

Here's to the Jens! Let's Go Jens!

metsmarathon
Oct 17 2010 09:24 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

i ran today.

4.4 miles at a shade under 9 minutes per. in my defense, it was not a flat course...

i felt rather out of shape. by the end, i was a little gassed. i'll blame it on a lung that's recovering from what some might consider to be a significant injury.

but the important thing is, i ran today. it didn't hurt, i felt fine afterward, and i may run tomorrow.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 17 2010 09:47 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Thanks for supporting the Jens!

I did the 2-bridge, 10.6 mile run again on Saturday amid some very strong winds but hung in pretty well.

metsguyinmichigan
Oct 18 2010 04:37 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Rockin' Doc wrote:
Inspired by the recent personal best times of both Fman and Metsguy, I decided to go on a shorter run and try pushing the pace a little bit this evening. I ran a personal best of 23:36 for 5K and did 3.94 miles in 30 minutes. Not exactly pushing Fman and Metsguy, but a good time for me. I'm pretty sure I can go a little faster, but I am trying to increase speed in small increments to keep from burning out or pulling something.

I like to keep setting new goals to work towards. I'm working toward getting myself ready to actually run a race or two next spring if I can hopefully get my 5K time down around 23:00. I'm also working toward a new goal of running 7.5 miles in 60 minutes or less since I recently reached my goal of 10K in under 50 minutes. Having recently done 10K in under 50 minutes I have decided to work toward a target of 7.50 miles in 60 minutes.

I appreciate all the comraderie and support in this thread. Most of my buddies think I'm crazy for running like I do. Keep on running ladies and gentleman, your accomplishments inspire me to keep going.



Just catching up. Way to go!, Doc!


I've started bringing my running gear to work when I pull a Saturday shift. Downtown Grand Rapids has a bit of a riverwalk, so I start there, passing the Ford Museum -- paying respects to the President through his little burial area - and crossing a number of the bridges before heading through some of the streets.

It's not a good place for timing, as there are some stairs, tunnels, inclines, pedestrians and somewhat busy streets to cross that slow me down. But on a nice sunny afternoon, the views are great and it's a fun way to spend my lunch or dinner break.

Plus, I have the iPhone with me because of the RunKeeper app and music, so if something happens in the newsroom, they can always get a hold of me and I'm never that far.

themetfairy
Oct 18 2010 05:57 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

mm - I'd kill for your bad runs. Welcome back!

Lunchie - it was my honor.

Lunchie and michigan - nice routes. Whether the courses are fast or not, I think the main thing is that they hold your interest, and yours sound like inherently fun ones.

Chad Ochoseis
Oct 18 2010 07:48 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

themetfairy wrote:
Will you be running again in December? Any interest in the Big Chill 5K at Freakin' Rutgers on December 11th?


This has the potential to be the first-ever CPF run.

themetfairy
Oct 18 2010 08:11 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Chad Ochoseis wrote:
themetfairy wrote:
Will you be running again in December? Any interest in the Big Chill 5K at Freakin' Rutgers on December 11th?


This has the potential to be the first-ever CPF run.


Get those shirts made NOW!!!!!!!

themetfairy
Oct 19 2010 11:53 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

I'm loving the part of the taper that says I'm done with the super long distances between now and the Marathon.

I'm not loving the concept of rest days. I know I have to take it very easy the week of the Marathon. But this week I may only take one day off instead of two.

Rockin' Doc
Oct 19 2010 09:16 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Did a short run going for speed after work this evening. Did a new personal best of 23:20 for 5K and then was able to keep pushing to finish with 4.00 miles in 30 minutes. I had to really kick it in the final minute to reach the 4 mile mark, but when I saw it was within reach I opened it up a little.

Fman99
Oct 20 2010 05:20 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Rockin' Doc wrote:
Did a short run going for speed after work this evening. Did a new personal best of 23:20 for 5K and then was able to keep pushing to finish with 4.00 miles in 30 minutes. I had to really kick it in the final minute to reach the 4 mile mark, but when I saw it was within reach I opened it up a little.


I ran Monday, did 3.92 miles in 31:30 or so. But I think it was more like 4.05-4.10 miles, my GPS regularly short-changes me on distance in that part of the park. The roads are trails, not driving roads, and there's lots of tree cover, and I think that's what throws the GPS off.

I was sore yesterday, felt it up and down my quads. Today is better, I may or may not run.

themetfairy
Oct 20 2010 05:49 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Nice work gentlemen!

metsmarathon
Oct 21 2010 01:14 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

i decided to push myself today. i was originally planning 6 miles, but had to run shorter due to a late lunch and early afternoon meeting, so i ended up running 4 miles. i clocked the first mile in at 7:11, which surprised me a little. i didn't think i was going quite that fast, despite my increased level of effort. it was a happy surprise. i always lose the second and third mile, but there's a measured mile near those points so i just use them. i think the second mile came in about 7:30, and the "3rd" mile, which was the measured one, hit 7:22. i struggled a bit in the final mile, but apparently not much, coming in with a time of 29:39 for 3.98 miles.

my 5k time was about 23:20

this should be a comfortably hard pace, but instead it was a little harder than that. but not quite race pace hard. i'm not yet ready to try and push myself to race pace hard yet. its good, rapid progress, and i'm happy about it. especially since i'm fighting off some nasty congestion and a brutally annoying throat-tickling cough, but i doubt that was a big factor today.

a big test comes tonight, as i have a volleyball game tonight, and i shall most likely toss my body around like a 200 lb rag doll in my characteristic fashion.

themetfairy
Oct 21 2010 01:27 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

As always, I'd kill for your disappointing times.

Awesome as always mm!

Fman99
Oct 21 2010 07:29 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Glad you're on the mend MM. I ran a nearly identical 5k time, at 23:19 today, but stopped at exactly 5k because I was a little underdressed for the temperature, and I had to pick up the kids at day care. Felt good, and yet I'm wistful too at each run as the weather gets steadily worse.

I really need to get to Fleet Feet to get another 1-2 long sleeved tops and some gloves, at a minimum.

themetfairy
Oct 22 2010 09:39 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

mm - I need you to talk me off the ledge.

I know I've done my work. I know I've gotten my 20-milers in. I know I need to trust the taper.

But I'm starting to freak out about the last 10K of the Marathon. Just how bad are those hills?

I worry that I'll be fine for 20 and then fall apart at the end....

metsmarathon
Oct 22 2010 10:07 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

longer post coming later.

right now, i'm just fixated on the thought that i really should've opted to bring the long sleeve t-shirt to work today.

themetfairy
Oct 22 2010 10:24 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Yes - it's a bit chilly out there today.

metsmarathon
Oct 22 2010 12:24 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

well, i got 6 miles in. it was chilly to start, and throughout hte run, the wind was in my face. i'm really not sure how that happens. the long sleeves would've been nice, and while i probably would've been too warm at times, it would've been nice to block some more of the wind.

i think the chilliness led to some difficulty drawing a fully deep breath, but i think that happens to me anyways, so i'm not overly concerned. i'm still not running at full lung capacity, i think, and i hope it comes along. my legs seem to be entering into anaerobic mode way too easily, which confirms my feelings about lung capacity. i've gotta believe that it'll come back most if not all the way, though, and the crisp autumn weather cannot help.

regardless, i maintained a nice even 8:09 pace throughout the run. so it was a good day.

...

as far as the last 10k goes, in my experience, it's just plain awful. but then, i've never run new york terribly smart.

the part of the final 10k that'll kill you (if you let it) is the long slog up 5th avenue. the little hills in central park, while they can be steep, are so short that they're really not going to kill you. you can walk up them if you're so inclined and they won't blow up your time. but 5th ave can. it's just a long sneaky hill that sucks bhmc.

but you're not going to run the race like i would!

you're going to be smart enough to realize that you can't make up time in the first half. this is my all-too-common mistake. i run too hard early, and crash and burn. don't do that! if you conserve your energy in brooklyn, you'll have it ready and available once you leave the bronx.

trust me, you'll be fine.

themetfairy
Oct 22 2010 12:30 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Thanks mm :)

Yes, I have no pride in my time (although I would like to finish in under 6 hours, if possible), so I'm planning on taking it slowly through Brooklyn.

I keep telling myself that none of these inclines is as bad as Bermuda, and I had 19 miles of inclines in 2 days there back in January.

Most of the time I'm fine. But occasionally the thought of those inclines at the end just scare me. And they won't if I get away from the concept of running throughout the entire course. But since this is going to be my first (and likely only) marathon, I'd like to run (or trudge) it the entire way.

I'm likely going to have these kinds of mood swings for the next 16 days. One of the things I read online yesterday specifically advised against going to DMV during the taper period ;)

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 22 2010 12:37 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

No getting out of Brooklyn without stopping by our party. Our friends who host this shindig usually do it up sweet with bagels and lox, cheese plates, bacon out the wingwang, poached eggs, and of course mimosas and beer. So if you have such requests, or could use a powerbar distributor around mile 12, let me know.

I can also provide an escort over the Pulaski Bridge if you'd like one. Also, feel free to send friends/fam to our spot if they want a look there.

The gig is just past the corner of Manhattan Ave & Norman, that's one block after you turn onto Manhattan Ave (look for us on the left, by Greenpoint's Finest Deli and a florist).

themetfairy
Oct 22 2010 12:47 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Thanks Lunchie - I'll try to keep an eye out for you guys.

I'll be the slowpoke in the Team McGraw jersey and the Mets cap :)

themetfairy
Oct 24 2010 08:09 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

I ran 6.2 miles today, in my Marathon shoes. They felt good, and I pronounce them broken in. They next time they hit pavement will be two weeks from today.

I have now run 102.1 miles in the month of October, for my fourth consecutive 100 mile month. I'm pretty impressed with myself - I didn't think I'd get that far this month because of the taper. But I guess it says a lot for the pre-taper training I did during the early part of the month.

I've run 931 miles for the year so far. I should hit 1,000 somewhere around Thanksgiving. I thought I'd get there by the end of the year, but I'm happy to be this much ahead of schedule.

The last few days my legs and feet have felt a little funny. Not achy, but they kind of radiate/vibrate. I'm assuming that's part of the rebuilding that goes on during the taper period. Either that or I have a weird tropical disease....

themetfairy
Oct 24 2010 07:07 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

mm - talk me through the mood swings during the taper period.

Normal stuff?

metsmarathon
Oct 25 2010 08:32 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

probably. i'm always wracking my brain with things like "what's that twinge?" "are my legs fresh enough?" "god, that's a long way to run!" "can i really stand to be out there for 4 or 5 or 6 hours?" "what if X happens?" "should i run another 22 miles for practice?" "am i eating enough?" "am i eating too much" and when i'm not, i'm thinking about how awesome i'm going to do, and how i'll probably just run a BQ without really trying.

you're spent months building up to the race, and with it looming large on the horizon, suddenly you have more time to think about it because you have so much less running to do. its totally natural. just remind yourself that you're done all the hard work, and in the right way, and that, hell, if subway jared can run the marathon on mediocre sandwiches and only 500 miles of training, then you've got nothing to worry about!

metsmarathon
Oct 25 2010 08:39 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

despite the awesome weather this weekend, i did not run a step. boo.

i'm fighting a bit of congestion lately, and, whereas i'll usually try to run off any cold or flu or whatever, i felt like that wouldn't work this time, and would only leave me more run down. plus, the congestion has had me coughing too much, and i figure maybe i'll give them lungs a rest...

today, i'm going to go for a run, though. prolly 6 miles. if i only can make it 2, i'll have finally hit 1,000 miles for the year.

from here on out, i'd need to average about 6.7 miles per day to make it to my year-long goal of key west, 1451 miles distant, or manitoba, 17 miles farther. but i can probably make it to oklahoma, a mere 1220.

themetfairy
Oct 25 2010 08:49 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

metsmarathon wrote:
hell, if subway jared can run the marathon on mediocre sandwiches and only 500 miles of training, then you've got nothing to worry about!


I know, right? Every time I see that commercial I mumble that I've done over 900 miles - suck on that Jared!

Thanks for the reassurances mm - they're helpful.

Feel better, and go get to that 1,000 mile mark!

(BTW, it's not bad out there today, but prepare for some humidity. This was the first day in a couple of weeks that I really noticed it)

metsmarathon
Oct 25 2010 12:01 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

and so, i have reached a thousand miles. i only ran 2 miles today instead of 6. mrs.mm expressed a desire to go out to starbucks during lunch, and that sounded like a better idea. now that i've blown any realistic chance of reaching 1450 miles, my inherent laziness is starting to creep back in.

themetfairy
Oct 25 2010 12:34 PM
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Lazy bum - a mere 1,000! That's only double Jared.

I think the 2 miles and Starbucks date was the better decision anyway.

themetfairy
Oct 25 2010 07:44 PM
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2011 NYC Half Marathon Lottery

The lottery deadline for this race is November 15th, so get your entry in now if you're interested!

A Boy Named Seo
Oct 25 2010 11:53 PM
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Ran my charity 5K again this past weekend. Clocked in at 23:30 and finished somewhere around 20th (?) out of 200. Got beat at the finish by a co-worker of mine who signed up solely to beat my ass and he did (i led him the whole way, but he out-kicked me the last couple hundred yards) and sheila's awesome cuz who dusted us both by a full minute and finished 3rd/ladies. I spammed a few of you prior to, and offer my heartiest of thanks for sponsoring me & chipping some dough the org's way. Truly appreciate it. <3 u, guys.

themetfairy
Oct 26 2010 06:39 AM
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WTG Seo - it's a wonderful thing that you do, and it's awesome how well you do it :)

themetfairy
Oct 26 2010 09:20 AM
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Here is an Interactive Map of the New York City Marathon.

Farmer Ted
Oct 26 2010 09:46 AM
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Deferred NYC to next year.

themetfairy
Oct 26 2010 09:48 AM
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Farmer Ted wrote:
Deferred NYC to next year.


Damn! I was hoping to see you there :(

I'll just have to hang out on the sidelines with Mrs. Ted next year. I plan on being there with the other Team McGraw folks, and she can join our group :)

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 26 2010 09:54 AM
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metsmarathon wrote:
and so, i have reached a thousand miles. i only ran 2 miles today instead of 6. mrs.mm expressed a desire to go out to starbucks during lunch, and that sounded like a better idea. now that i've blown any realistic chance of reaching 1450 miles, my inherent laziness is starting to creep back in.


I surpassed 500 for the year last night.

themetfairy
Oct 26 2010 09:55 AM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
metsmarathon wrote:
and so, i have reached a thousand miles. i only ran 2 miles today instead of 6. mrs.mm expressed a desire to go out to starbucks during lunch, and that sounded like a better idea. now that i've blown any realistic chance of reaching 1450 miles, my inherent laziness is starting to creep back in.


I surpassed 500 for the year last night.


Nice job Lunchie!

Fman99
Oct 26 2010 10:26 AM
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Wow, it's perfect out. I think I'm going to run 5 miles today.

themetfairy
Oct 26 2010 10:27 AM
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Go for it Fman!

Fman99
Oct 26 2010 08:05 PM
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I did it... I hoped to keep my 8 minute mile pace and clock in under 40 minutes and I just missed it, finished 5 miles in 40:15. Felt great, too. The weather was perfect and they're calling for more of the same tomorrow.

As tempted as I am to bang out five more tomorrow I really need to mow my lawn and rake leaves. I still may blow those tasks off though.

themetfairy
Oct 26 2010 08:22 PM
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Nice job Fman!

metsmarathon
Oct 26 2010 09:29 PM
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i think i now own possibly the worst pair of running shorts ever.

they have no redeeming feature that i can think of. i guess i should be happy that they appear to be opaque.

they have what is purported to be built-in compression shorts, which i like because they pretty much eliminiate chafing. problem is, they really don't do all that much in teh way of compression, as the material has no meaningful elastic properties. and while the waist feels rather ample for a large, the leg openings are comically narrow. as i've mentioned, there's no stretch. so its like i've got two thick bands of fabric digging into my legs. super. i feel like i could practically pop the stitching by flexing my quad. i mean, i guess i'm built a bit more thickly that the typical runner, but a pair of large shorts should account for some body type other than rail-thin with a big gut. i mean, the waist would easily fit 40"!

on top of that, there's a pocket stitched into the back of them, and it just has an awful feel to it. the zipper is too stiff, i guess, it lies very flat across the back, and it manages to pull the fabric down slightly dead-center. i felt like i was rocking plumber-crack during my run. and because the compression shorts were constricting my legs, i couldn't even pull the shorts up any higher.

also, there's a key pocket that's kindof in the wrong place. i mean, it's better than some, where if you do have a key in there, or any sort of rectangular plastic card, it interferes with lifting your leg by digging a corner into the hollow at the top of the thigh right where there's no muscle. no, this one is placed just off dead center, and holds the card vertically. major junk interaction. not cool. if you're gonna have the key pocket in the middle, have it horizontal. otherwise, have it centered on the thigh. or just realize that the ill-executed rear pocket makes it redundant.

and finally, the fabric drapes in exactly the way that you just know that after a long run, its all just going to bunch up in the middle, give you that awful inverted V and make you look like a big dork in your race day photos.

and naturally i discover all of this after ripping off the tags. sigh. at least they have a nice color and pattern to them.

i should know better, too. i have an older pair of running shorts from road runner sports that are also pretty bad. in fact, those had held the title of "worst shorts i own"

but no more. road runner sports has outdone themselves. they're just so awful.

themetfairy
Oct 27 2010 05:17 AM
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That's a shame mm.

I actually like my Road Runner Sports shorts, because they have much better pockets than most women's shorts. But the trade-off is that the waist doesn't give as much as would be ideal, which can be a bit of a hassle during pit stops. These sound like the opposite of yours - made for someone with reasonably large legs but a Barbie doll waist.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 27 2010 07:49 AM
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Funny, I was coming on here to complain about thigh chafe suffered last night with my shorts... unusual since I wear 'em fairly often without this happening, but ow.

Ow.

I think the thick humidity last night, plus a pretty strong headwind blowing my clothes against me, was to blame.

My best runners btw are a pair of super thin ones from Asics. They are no good for holding much in the pockets beyond a key, a $5 bill and a Metrocard (my usual stuff). Have to strap radio to my arm.

themetfairy
Oct 27 2010 08:02 AM
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For the Marathon pockets are essential, because I don't want to run with a waist pack. Even with the iPod on my arm, I carry a ton of crap - gel packs, jelly beans, caffeine pills. I won't have keys or money with me, but I'll want to have a small tube of Vaseline (in case of chafing) and some hand sanitizer with me (I figure by the time the slow runners make it to the port-a-sans, they're not going to be very pretty....).

I need cargo running pants....

themetfairy
Oct 28 2010 12:55 PM
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marathon - I'm studying the Interactive Marathon Map. When they say "Aid Stations," what does that specifically mean? Medical aid and port-a-potties? Anything else?

Fman99
Oct 28 2010 07:47 PM
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Ran a wonderful 3.5 miles today in 26 minutes and change... what seemed like a nasty day, high 40's, cloudy, and windy, when I got out there, turned out to be wonderful running weather in the park once I got warmed up (especially with a decent amount of wind being blocked by tree cover).

Clinging to autumn as long as humanly possible.

themetfairy
Oct 28 2010 07:56 PM
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Nice work Fman!

High 40s can be very good running weather :)

Ceetar
Oct 28 2010 07:57 PM
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themetfairy wrote:
Nice work Fman!

High 40s can be very good running weather :)


I know warm and stretched out muscles and what not, but I much prefer the cool air, keeps me from overheating, as I seem to be prone to doing.

themetfairy
Oct 28 2010 08:12 PM
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Ceetar wrote:
Nice work Fman!

High 40s can be very good running weather :)


I know warm and stretched out muscles and what not, but I much prefer the cool air, keeps me from overheating, as I seem to be prone to doing.


I'm fine until it's below something like 25 degrees. I used to be ok until about 20, but I've become more of a wimp about the cold than I used to be.

I'll layer in the cold, because getting out the door is hard when it's freezing. But after that first mile I heat up pretty nicely.

I used to hate the treadmill so much that I'd even go out in colder weather. At the end of one run I couldn't drink from my water bottle any more because the nozzle had frozen solid while I was out there!

Ceetar
Oct 28 2010 08:20 PM
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themetfairy wrote:
At the end of one run I couldn't drink from my water bottle any more because the nozzle had frozen solid while I was out there!


Hardcore.

mix in a little vodka to lower the freezing point.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 28 2010 08:21 PM
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whatver temp it is in Brooklyn right now is good running weather.

(checks) 61 degrees, 29% humidity, NW winds at 12 mph.

It's been terribly humid and windy for my last 2 runs, what a difference tonight, even though the winds were a little much.

themetfairy
Oct 28 2010 08:43 PM
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I never thought to add vodka before ;)

Humidity is a bitch. I can take it for a few miles, but after five or so it's just sapping. Training this summer was absolutely miserable at times - I am so happy that for the most part things are drier now.

Fman99
Oct 28 2010 08:50 PM
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I'm starting to get more hopeful, that running outdoors even in cold/wintry conditions will be tolerable and even maybe fun.

They do keep a good swath of the park plowed all winter, though it'll be really windy as it's right along the lake without a lot of cover.

Still beats the treadmill.

themetfairy
Oct 28 2010 09:01 PM
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Everything except ice and single digit temperatures beat the treadmill.

themetfairy
Oct 30 2010 08:35 AM
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I put in 6.2 chilly miles this morning, for my final long run before the Marathon.

It put me up to 117.3 miles for the month of October, which is my new monthly record.

As an aside, former major leaguer Steve Rogers passed me during my final mile. I interpret that as a good omen for the Marathon :)

Ashie62
Oct 30 2010 09:43 AM
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Fman99 wrote:
I'm starting to get more hopeful, that running outdoors even in cold/wintry conditions will be tolerable and even maybe fun.

They do keep a good swath of the park plowed all winter, though it'll be really windy as it's right along the lake without a lot of cover.

Still beats the treadmill.


Once your motor gets going the cold of winter will not both you.

themetfairy
Oct 30 2010 10:08 AM
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Ashie62 wrote:
Fman99 wrote:
I'm starting to get more hopeful, that running outdoors even in cold/wintry conditions will be tolerable and even maybe fun.

They do keep a good swath of the park plowed all winter, though it'll be really windy as it's right along the lake without a lot of cover.

Still beats the treadmill.


Once your motor gets going the cold of winter will not both you.



Ashie speaks the truth. Once you get past that first mile, your internal warming starts kicking in and the winter running feels good.

Fman99
Nov 02 2010 03:54 PM
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My hip was pounding all day. I slept on it wrong, methinks. I took four Advil when I got to work and again at 3:30. I spent the day hoping I could run and it would loosen up, which is just what happened.

My phone went wonky, GPS-wise, as it said I ran a 21:01 5k and a 24 minute 3.5 miles. I was going at a good clip but I was not nearly that fast. Weather was nice, sunny, high 40s, light breeze, and is supposed to be the same tomorrow before it turns back into central NY around here.

Ceetar
Nov 02 2010 04:09 PM
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Fman99 wrote:
My hip was pounding all day. I slept on it wrong, methinks. I took four Advil when I got to work and again at 3:30. I spent the day hoping I could run and it would loosen up, which is just what happened.

My phone went wonky, GPS-wise, as it said I ran a 21:01 5k and a 24 minute 3.5 miles. I was going at a good clip but I was not nearly that fast. Weather was nice, sunny, high 40s, light breeze, and is supposed to be the same tomorrow before it turns back into central NY around here.


I'll offer some techie insight/guessing, since all I did was buy gym shorts today (my old ones had worn a hole in a rather conspicuous area). My experience is that phone's sometimes 'guess' at your gps location based on cell signal while they get a better fix. It probably guessed a quarter mile or so off, and when it caught up you were already well on your way.

metsmarathon
Nov 02 2010 05:53 PM
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Fman99 wrote:
My hip was pounding all day. I slept on it wrong, methinks. I took four Advil when I got to work and again at 3:30. I spent the day hoping I could run and it would loosen up, which is just what happened.

My phone went wonky, GPS-wise, as it said I ran a 21:01 5k and a 24 minute 3.5 miles. I was going at a good clip but I was not nearly that fast. Weather was nice, sunny, high 40s, light breeze, and is supposed to be the same tomorrow before it turns back into central NY around here.


no offense, but i'm rooting for the gps glitch. that beats my official pr by 13 seconds...

themetfairy
Nov 02 2010 06:32 PM
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Feel better Fman!

Fman99
Nov 02 2010 07:58 PM
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metsmarathon wrote:
My hip was pounding all day. I slept on it wrong, methinks. I took four Advil when I got to work and again at 3:30. I spent the day hoping I could run and it would loosen up, which is just what happened.

My phone went wonky, GPS-wise, as it said I ran a 21:01 5k and a 24 minute 3.5 miles. I was going at a good clip but I was not nearly that fast. Weather was nice, sunny, high 40s, light breeze, and is supposed to be the same tomorrow before it turns back into central NY around here.


no offense, but i'm rooting for the gps glitch. that beats my official pr by 13 seconds...


Almost certainly that seems to be the case. Following the pavement markers it ran like 3.25, not 3.5, which would have made it closer to a 23:20 or so 5k. If you look at the RunKeeper map it's got these weird tangents around the time I turned around, that I didn't actually run, which I think is the reason for the discrepancy.

metsmarathon
Nov 02 2010 08:27 PM
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nice work, regardless. you beat my 5k time today, and i was pushing myself for it.

Fman99
Nov 03 2010 06:16 AM
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metsmarathon wrote:
nice work, regardless. you beat my 5k time today, and i was pushing myself for it.


Going to go back out there again today, supposed to be sunny and near 50. Gift weather in upstate NY this time of year. Hip is still a little tender but better than yesterday.

Ceetar
Nov 03 2010 06:45 AM
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I'll be doing some running myself today (if I don't wuss out and not go to the gym anyway) I'm thinking I'll try to get my first mile in under 10 minutes and then walk/jog for the remainder of 30 minutes and see if I can prevent myself from overheating/developing a massive migraine when I get home.

themetfairy
Nov 03 2010 06:50 AM
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Hey Ceetar,

If I may offer a variation on that - why don't you walk the first half mile or so to warm up your muscles a bit, then run the mile, and then walk the rest of the way?

In any event, good luck!

metsmarathon
Nov 03 2010 07:04 AM
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themetfairy is wise.

Ceetar
Nov 03 2010 07:16 AM
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metsmarathon wrote:
themetfairy is wise.


Definitely.

It's mainly because I'm lazy. The sooner I get the 'hard' part of the exercise out of the way, the more likely I am to actually complete it.

I could probably walk around and do some weights first too.

themetfairy
Nov 03 2010 08:20 AM
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Ceetar wrote:
metsmarathon wrote:
themetfairy is wise.




I could probably walk around and do some weights first too.


That would work also.

I just don't want to see you running at a fast pace without adequately loosening up your muscles first. That never ends well.

You also might want to look into the Galloway walk/run plans. I know people who swear by that method.

Ceetar
Nov 03 2010 08:29 AM
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themetfairy wrote:
Ceetar wrote:
metsmarathon wrote:
themetfairy is wise.




I could probably walk around and do some weights first too.


That would work also.

I just don't want to see you running at a fast pace without adequately loosening up your muscles first. That never ends well.

You also might want to look into the Galloway walk/run plans. I know people who swear by that method.


Well, I usually stretch before hand and then jog lightly for the first 45 seconds. I'm not planning to do anything different except stop pushing after the first mile.

The run/walk thing seems reasonable. I haven't achieved a consistant pace that i can run a full mile without stopping anyway, so it makes sense to me, and the 3-1 run-walk ratio is pretty similiar to what I fall into anyway, at least in the beginning before I lose all semblence of endurance and usually fall into more of a 1-3 ratio.

Fman99
Nov 03 2010 08:42 AM
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Good luck Ceetar.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 03 2010 09:11 AM
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Just a suggestion, but drink more water.

themetfairy
Nov 03 2010 09:34 AM
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Yes - hydration is very important, especially since you have an issue with heating.

Fman99
Nov 03 2010 05:00 PM
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Ran my first ever six mile run tonight after work and clocked in at 48:05. I was well under 40 minutes at 5 miles, which is an improvement from the time I ran last week, and would have been under 8 minutes/mile for all six tonight if not for a real headwind the last couple of miles.

Feels good.

Ceetar
Nov 03 2010 05:16 PM
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Fman99 wrote:
Ran my first ever six mile run tonight after work and clocked in at 48:05. I was well under 40 minutes at 5 miles, which is an improvement from the time I ran last week, and would have been under 8 minutes/mile for all six tonight if not for a real headwind the last couple of miles.

Feels good.


congrats. I ran a bit after work. (The Mets distracted me from actually going to the gym, so outside) played around the GPS thing on the phone. It was odd though, didn't pick up the GPS for about 10 minutes, probably .8 miles or so. basically didn't realize i was running or something. Hopefully now that it knows where I am (was using Buddy Runner for the first time, so defaulted to oklahoma or something..) it'll pick it up quicker and actually be a reasonable tool.

I generally hydrate pretty well, although last time the coffee before hand may have played a dehydration factor, and bloodp ressure/constriction whatever in overheating. I think i calculated i lose about a pint of water at the gym.

themetfairy
Nov 03 2010 05:17 PM
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Nice job gentlemen!

I don't use Buddy Runner often, but most of the time I have found it to be a helpful tool.

metsmarathon
Nov 05 2010 12:11 PM
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i had a pretty good run today. did a 5.5 mile tempo run, where the first mile was a warmup, then the next 4 miles were pretty hard, then the last half mile was cooldown. in the middle of the thing, i got about a mile and a half of 7:20 pace. not sure about any of my other splits because i really hadn't scouted them out terribly well before hand, but that 1.5 miles is marked quarterly. it felt pretty good, but i'm still only slowly recovering i think.

i'm remembering more and more how my winter and early spring of my senior year in college was a fitful, frustrating affair, following my second pneumothorax, another minor one. while i felt fine almost immediately, it took me until almost all the way through my spring track season to finally feel good. or at least ot believe i felt good.

right now, i'm struggling with motivation, confidence and doubt.

so what better way to tackle all of the above than by signing up for a race? well, after putting it off for far too long, i've finally signed up for the walt disney world half marathon. it'd gotten up to about 94% full, so we figured it's now or never. we'll be down there anyways for a much-needed vacation, and will be cheering on the mmil's in the full marathon, their third.

my tentative goal is 2 hours. at 15 minutes off my pr, it should be doable. i guess we'll see. i have 9 weeks to train for it.

themetfairy
Nov 05 2010 12:16 PM
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Best of luck mm - I'm sure you're going to rock the mouse ears!

Rockin' Doc
Nov 05 2010 03:16 PM
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I took advantage of having today off. I slept in until 7:45, then ran a few errands. I headed to the gym around 12:30 to lift weights and get in a run. Things have been pretty hectic around here lately so it was my first opportunity to work out in the past week. I struggled through 5.74 miles in 45 minutes on the treadmill. My hamstrings are a little tight and sore right now, but hopefully I will be able to hit the gym again tomorrow morning.

Best of luck with your training marathon. It's good to see that you are able to run again.

themetfairy
Nov 05 2010 05:14 PM
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Nice work RD!

Ashie62
Nov 06 2010 07:02 AM
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GOOD LUCK TO MF AND ALL!!!!!!!

themetfairy
Nov 06 2010 07:13 AM
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Thanks Ashie :)

Ceetar
Nov 06 2010 07:29 AM
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Ashie62 wrote:
GOOD LUCK TO MF AND ALL!!!!!!!



seconded. remember, one foot in front of the other, or something likethat.

themetfairy
Nov 06 2010 07:44 AM
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Thanks Ceetar :)

metsmarathon
Nov 06 2010 09:40 AM
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[bigpurple:3ox81l2y]kick some ass tomorrow![/bigpurple:3ox81l2y]

Chad Ochoseis
Nov 06 2010 11:37 AM
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...and make sure that the ass you kick is soft. We wouldn't want you running 26.2 miles on broken toes.

How good is the chip technology now? Will those of us who aren't in view of the marathon (I think that's everyone who isn't JCL) be able to follow your progress on the web if we have your race number?

themetfairy
Nov 06 2010 01:23 PM
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Thanks guys!

In theory, the technology is good, although I won't guarantee it's glitch free. My bib number is 59295.

Here's how you can track me

Rockin' Doc
Nov 06 2010 03:07 PM
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Best of luck tomorrow. You have worked hard and put in the time preparing so I have confidence you will do fine.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 06 2010 04:08 PM
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See ya at mile 12

(10.6 miles today myself, still had gas in the tank, hmmmm...)

metirish
Nov 06 2010 05:41 PM
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All the best tomorrow Sharon. I saw on the news tonight that the old Tavern on the Green was dishing out pasta all day to the participants, load up was the message.

themetfairy
Nov 06 2010 09:02 PM
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Thanks everyone :)

irish - I had my pasta at the Team McGraw dinner this evening )

metsmarathon
Nov 06 2010 10:36 PM
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themetfairy wrote:
Thanks guys!

In theory, the technology is good, although I won't guarantee it's glitch free. My bib number is 59295.

Here's how you can track me


the chips work great. for timing at least. for sending out the messages as tehy're supposed to, i've had mostly good luck, with some glitchiness experienced several years ago. can't recall anything not really working as advertised recently though, so we should be able to follow along with the marathon as you hit each 5k mark, as well as the half and the finish.

i'm following metfairy, one of my assistant xc coaches, jared, and the chilean miner. in my mind, y'all are racing each other.

themetfairy
Nov 07 2010 02:36 AM
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metsmarathon wrote:
themetfairy wrote:
Thanks guys!

In theory, the technology is good, although I won't guarantee it's glitch free. My bib number is 59295.

Here's how you can track me


the chips work great. for timing at least. for sending out the messages as tehy're supposed to, i've had mostly good luck, with some glitchiness experienced several years ago. can't recall anything not really working as advertised recently though, so we should be able to follow along with the marathon as you hit each 5k mark, as well as the half and the finish.

i'm following metfairy, one of my assistant xc coaches, jared, and the chilean miner. in my mind, y'all are racing each other.


LOL mm. I want to finish alongside the miner, singing Elvis songs as we cross the finish line

MFS62
Nov 07 2010 08:43 AM
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Your TIMES??
With the telemetry that's available these days, we should be able to keep track of your heartbeat.
Just keep it steady, all you runners out there. Your best is all you can do.

Later

themetfairy
Nov 08 2010 12:49 PM
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Fman99
Nov 09 2010 03:59 PM
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TMF's comments in the marathon thread got me thinking about 2011.

My 2010 resolution was to run 10 5k races,which I've now done (in fact, much like Nigel, I've gone up to 11!).

I was trying to come up with 11 running-related resolutions to make for 2011. Longer races, different places, more challenges, etc. Any suggestions from the CPF Running Club are welcome...

themetfairy
Nov 09 2010 04:15 PM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 15 2010 03:14 PM

Very cool Fman!

Here's a thought - are there any New Year's Eve/Day races you can do to start and/or end the year?

Ashie62
Nov 09 2010 05:19 PM
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themetfairy wrote:
Very cool Fman!

Here's a thought - are there any New Year's Eve/Day races you can do to start the year and again to end it?


Submarine races?

bmfc1
Nov 10 2010 03:21 AM
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Question for the floor (don't forget about Fman's question, too):

I'm running the Richmond Half-Marathon this Saturday. It's my first long race and I'm looking forward to it. I always hold a water bottle in my right hand so I don't get dehydrated (the Quickdraw, as recommended by metsmararthon). There are plenty of water stations so I can get a drink if I want but I'm used to holding the water bottle. Do I take it out of habit, thereby saving time, or do I utilize the water stations?

Thanks.

themetfairy
Nov 10 2010 05:39 AM
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Use the water stations. You don't want to be holding something in your hand for 13 miles.

Another option - you can have a family member give you a disposable bottle at set locations on the course, and drop it when you're done. But don't carry a bottle in your hand for 13 miles - it'll make you nuts.

What are you doing for in-race nutrition? Gel packs?

bmfc1
Nov 10 2010 05:40 AM
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Thanks TMF. They're giving out gel packs at mile 8.

themetfairy
Nov 10 2010 05:45 AM
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Have you used gel packs before? Do you know how you digest them?

Don't use anything in the race that you haven't used before. But for that kind of distance, you're going to want to fuel up on something during the race (preferably every 45 minutes or so).

You are in the taper period, so it's hard to really test these things out, so you might want something more tried and true than gel packs.

What brand are they giving out at Mile 8? Maybe you can buy one today and try it out before the race?

Fman99
Nov 10 2010 06:51 AM
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Here are some of the ideas I had for 2011 running resolutions:

1. Run a 10k
2. Run a 15k
3. Run a half marathon
4. Run 5k races on back to back days, some Saturday/Sunday combo
5. Run a 5k outside of New York state
6. Run a 5k with some CPF folks
7. Run 11 races in 2011
8. Improve on my 5k PR of 22:44
9. Keep track of my miles and top 500 miles in 2011

Need to come up with a few more resolutions...

bmfc1
Nov 10 2010 07:28 AM
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Fman--how about running in different states (not mental states)? You can keep a list and try to add to it as you travel.

metsmarathon
Nov 10 2010 07:38 AM
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richmond has accel gel, available at rei sports, road runner sports, gnc's and vitamin world's, and might also be available at your local running or biking shop. i don't think i've ever had 'em.

if you can, you definitely want to try and buy one before hand, and maybe a sampling of their competitors. if you've never had gel before, it can take some getting used to, and you don't want to gag on what seems like a mouthful of mintless toothpaste with 5 miles left to run.

my first foray into mid-run nutrition was powergel. or powershot. whatever the heck it's called. the one made by powerbar. it was awful. had the consistency of toothpaste. i had it in the middle of my first 12 mile run, and it ruined the latter half of it. i've since settled on gu, namely the tri-berry, which goes down easy but can be overly sweet for some. the gu rocktaneblueberry pomegranate is my other go-to. slightly different flavor, little more tart, less sweet. perhaps more balanced? other flavors of gu are awful. lime. not good imo.

mrs.mm likes the tri-berry and blueberry pomegranate as well. the mmil's love the gu espresso love. and iirc metfairy is a fan of the powergel, but i can't recall the flavor. possibly vanilla?

bottom line is, what works for one, may not work for the other. so try a few out and see what you can get down. maybe get to a gnc and pick up one each of the four flavors (vanilla, strawberry kiwi, chocolate, and citrus orange) they'll be offering at the race and see which is the best. if they have gu and powergel too, maybe pick up one random flavor of each.

ideally, you'd want to try these out as you're running to see if you can get 'em down, and to see how they work for you, but they should all be about the same with the main difference being caffeination. some are. some aren't. they'll say on the box. so if you've got a shorter run today or tomorrow, you could bring one along and give it a practice run downing one. or, as a mid morning/afternoon snack, rip one open and see if you can get it down. you don't have to take it all in one gulp (dirty!) but just for the sake of time, you don't want to linger either. and it helps to have a cup of water at the ready, which they should have at the race as well.

as far as the race goes, if you find that you hate the accel gel, but like some other brand, bring two along with you in a pocket in your running shorts. if your running shorts have a little pocket in the back, this is a great place for them. otherwise, i'd probably have one on each side just so i don't feel asymmetrical. if you do like the accel gel, bring one of your favorite flavor with you.

the standard usage scheme for racing fuel is 15 before and every 45 minutes during. i always screw up the 15 before and end up sucking one down just before the start. but try for 15 before. i stick to the 45 during as well as i can, but tie it to mileage. i typically go for every 6 miles in a long run, but for a half marathon, i'd probably go 5 and 10 so i have full energy for the finish. if you bring your own accel gel, i'd say have it at 5, and with the gel station at 8, pick one up and stash it until mile 10.



or you could wing it.

honestly, it's only a half marathon. :p i'm being facetious, but not really. if you've run, say, 10 miles before without any gel or mid-run nutrition, then get to 8, pick one up. give it a try. if it's awful, spit it out or rinse it out, and you should be able to continue along unfazed, running those new 3 miles perfectly fine.

you don't want to try anything new in a race because it could derail a perfectly good race. you especially don't want to do it in a marathon because it a long way to go once you've derailed. half marathon is only twice as far, and you'd only be trying something new for the last 5 miles. and really, for the most part, the gels are innocuous aside from their gulpability. so the chances of being derailed aren't too great.

actually, i should say one more thing about them. for a while i was trying out amino-vital sports drink. it has amino acids in with it, to help replenish and refuel the muscles. ultimately, i noticed that after i had some, i would become a little sluggish for the next mile. most likely because i was trying to digest the amino acids. the gu rocktane also has amino acids, and i guess because of the caffeine, i don't get the same sluggishness. the regular gu has neither protein nor amino acids (the building blocks of protein, natch), and is basically just carbohydrates with some sodium, postassium, and a few vitamins. accel gel does have protein and no caffeine. i only point this out because there is a chance that while it is trying to refuel your body, you may feel a little sluggish immediately after taking it during the run. if that does happen, just be aware of the cause, roll with it, and trust that your body will bounce back and its not that you're at your physical limit. it never caused any cramps, stomach aches, "tummy troubles" or anything like that, just some slight sluggishness that went away. i don't know if the amino-vital ultimately helped once i finished digesting it, only that it diverted some of my body's attention after i ingested them. and it may have been some other component besides the amino vital, too.

imo the safer tack would be to go for a gel that has neither caffeine nor proteins/amino acids, since you don't really have the time to see how they work for you when you'd need them to.

so, that's a lot of stuff to think about, and i've probably not presented it terribly coherently.

ultimately, my recommendations can be parsed thusly:

a) wing it if you've come close to running the half marathon distance without any mid-run nutrition, and won't need anything to help get you to 8 still feeling fresh
or
b) go to a running store, pick up some gu's or powergels in a few flavors, suck 'em down for practice, and bring two along for the run, with a third for 15 minutes before the start of the race. it really does help so much.

...

as far as the water goes, i've altogether stopped bringing my own water with me in races. the water stops are frequent enough that i've never really found myself wanting to have some between water stations. ok that's a lie. as i was overheating in the disastrous long branch half marathon this spring, i would've liked to have my water bottle with me to splash myself down more frequently. but that's really an exception. with water at 2,4,6, and every mile starting at 8, and race conditions sure to be more favorable than 80 degrees & sunny, there's plenty of hydration available that it's not worth expending the physical and mental effort of carrying around a water bottle with you for 13 miles.

when i ran the hamptons marathon two years ago, i made the mistake of having a gatorade bottle in my had for the first 5 or 8 miles. i meant to gulp it down prior to the start, but it was a big bottle, so i only had half of it. i thought i would get around to gulping the rest of it along the way, but never really felt the need, since at teh start of the race, i wanted the water more than the gatorade. anyways, after carrying it for those 5 or 8 miles, my arm started getting tired, and that contributed to a general sense of fatigue that ultimately sabotaged my confidence and led to me giving up a little too early on breaking the 4 hour barrier. i missed by 2 minutes, and actually felt pretty good towards the end.

so the more you can do to unencumber your mind and body during the race, the better you will do.

metsmarathon
Nov 10 2010 07:59 AM
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Fman99 wrote:
Here are some of the ideas I had for 2011 running resolutions:

1. Run a 10k
2. Run a 15k
3. Run a half marathon
4. Run 5k races on back to back days, some Saturday/Sunday combo
5. Run a 5k outside of New York state
6. Run a 5k with some CPF folks
7. Run 11 races in 2011
8. Improve on my 5k PR of 22:44
9. Keep track of my miles and top 500 miles in 2011

Need to come up with a few more resolutions...


how about:
run under water
chase an airplane on a runway
run around the world
run on a one-time record-holding suspension bridge

yeah, i've done it all.

under water - lincoln tunnel challenge
airplane - teterboro airport 5k. they towed a cessna along the tarmac. honestly, it was kindof lame, but cool at the same time. wicked fast course, but also boring, straight and flat, as you would expect an airport to be.
around the world - disney world marathon
bridge - both the george washington bridge and the verrazano narrows bridge were once the longest suspension bridges in the world. other notables include the bear mountain, brooklyn, and williamsburg bridges in new york, the ben franklin bridge in philly, the ambassador bridge in detroit, and the golden gate bridge in cali.

why isn't run a marathon on the list? :p

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 10 2010 08:07 AM
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Tentatively putting the NYC Marathon on the 2011 to-do list. But as always, much depends on my left foot.

I found out the ALS association fielded a team for the first time this year and would have a spot were I not to get in by lottery. Seems like a good idea to me.

themetfairy
Nov 10 2010 08:24 AM
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mm is right - I hate Powershot gels (or whatever they are called) and I passed them up at the Marathon because they are vile. I've settled on GU vanilla, although the just plain isn't bad. I advocate caffeine, and I actually took caffeine pills during my Marathon training (and one during the Marathon, along with some iced lattes that D-Dad gave me in old water bottles that we were willing to trash on the course). But don't try anything new on race day if you can avoid it.

JCL - I look forward to cheering for you on the Marathon course next year :)

bmfc1
Nov 10 2010 08:32 AM
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This is great advice and thank you. My mistake was not asking earlier. I planned on not doing my norms: listening to my iPod, so I could enjoy the live bands, and not holding my water bottle, because of the water and Powerade stations, and also trying a gel pac that I've never tried before. Instead, I'll take the iPod and put a gel pac that I've tried in my pocket. I'll do my final taper runs sans bottle. Many, many thanks.

themetfairy
Nov 10 2010 12:23 PM
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bmfc1 wrote:
This is great advice and thank you. My mistake was not asking earlier. I planned on not doing my norms: listening to my iPod, so I could enjoy the live bands, and not holding my water bottle, because of the water and Powerade stations, and also trying a gel pac that I've never tried before. Instead, I'll take the iPod and put a gel pac that I've tried in my pocket. I'll do my final taper runs sans bottle. Many, many thanks.


No problemo - that's what we're here for.

Have a great time Saturday :)

themetfairy
Nov 10 2010 12:25 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

The Big Chill 5K

I just registered for the Big Chill at Rutgers on December 11th.

How many CPF Running Club members would like to join me there?

Fman99
Nov 10 2010 03:12 PM
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themetfairy wrote:
The Big Chill 5K

I just registered for the Big Chill at Rutgers on December 11th.

How many CPF Running Club members would like to join me there?


Sorry, that's the day of my company's holiday party. Free booze and whatnot.

themetfairy
Nov 10 2010 03:36 PM
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Sorry Fman - we'll miss you :(

themetfairy
Nov 10 2010 03:49 PM
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My Marathon progress -



My splits -

Fman99
Nov 10 2010 07:30 PM
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It's official. I just registered for the 2011 inaugural Empire State Half Marathon. They are having a full marathon, two laps around Onondaga Lake, and a half marathon which I am doing which is one lap.

It's the perfect scenario -- I have 11 months to prepare for it, it's right down the street from my house, several miles of it covers roads I already run on, and they are expecting to draw a good sized crowd of people. I'm very excited about it, in fact.

themetfairy
Nov 10 2010 08:06 PM
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Very cool Fman - enjoy the training!

themetfairy
Nov 11 2010 08:02 AM
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A friend of mine talked me into running the Beauty and the Beach 5-miler on Saturday. It's a very flat course, and the weather is supposed to be lovely.

This is the location where I was supposed to run the NJ Marathon last May, but pulled out because of my glute injury. I'm excited about being able to finally get to run in Long Branch, and to do the best part of the course (i.e., the part where you see the ocean ).

Fman99
Nov 11 2010 05:21 PM
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Ran my first ever seven mile run today, clocked in at 56:49 or an 8:07 mile pace. Feel great tonight.

themetfairy
Nov 11 2010 06:04 PM
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Nice work Fman!

Chad Ochoseis
Nov 12 2010 10:28 AM
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themetfairy wrote:
I just registered for the Big Chill at Rutgers on December 11th.

How many CPF Running Club members would like to join me there?





Some website wrote:
Registration Activation
Congratulations! You have finished your registration.


Thank you for registering for the 2010 Big Chill.

We look forward to seeing you on Dec. 11th!



See you there!

themetfairy
Nov 12 2010 11:03 AM
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Chad Ochoseis wrote:
themetfairy wrote:
I just registered for the Big Chill at Rutgers on December 11th.

How many CPF Running Club members would like to join me there?





Some website wrote:
Registration Activation
Congratulations! You have finished your registration.


Thank you for registering for the 2010 Big Chill.

We look forward to seeing you on Dec. 11th!



See you there!


Excellent!

metsmarathon
Nov 12 2010 11:52 AM
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boo. i was all set to say that we're going to try to be there for that race, but we're probably having minimm's first birthday party that day. sigh...

Chad Ochoseis
Nov 12 2010 12:29 PM
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Won't he be running by then? He's a cinch to win the 0-5 age group.

themetfairy
Nov 12 2010 12:39 PM
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metsmarathon wrote:
boo. i was all set to say that we're going to try to be there for that race, but we're probably having minimm's first birthday party that day. sigh...


Drat!

themetfairy
Nov 13 2010 10:36 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

themetfairy wrote:
themetfairy wrote:
I just registered for the Big Chill at Rutgers on December 11th.

How many CPF Running Club members would like to join me there?





Some website wrote:
Registration Activation
Congratulations! You have finished your registration.


Thank you for registering for the 2010 Big Chill.

We look forward to seeing you on Dec. 11th!



See you there!


Excellent!


Chad - feel free to amend your registration to join the Racey Women team. Yes, I know you're a guy, but we're looking to have as large a team as we can manage (and we're a fun group to hang out with at races ).

themetfairy
Nov 13 2010 10:39 AM
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I signed up for the Beauty and the Beach 5-miler at the shore. It was a nice, flat course, and it covered a lot of the same ground as the NJ Marathon (which I had to pull out of last spring due to my glute injury). My legs were very tired today, but I finished in 56:12, which was faster than I expected.

I dislike that there were no clocks along the course to time my progress. But I liked the course - it was flat, and I love running with the sea air and the beach in sight. Plus I went to the race with one of my Racey Women friends, so we had a nice time on the drive and hanging out together. It was an absolutely gorgeous morning for a run, and I'm glad that I made myself wake up early to do it :)

bmfc1
Nov 13 2010 02:19 PM
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I successfully completed by first half-marathon this morning, the Richmond Half-Marathon. Many thanks for the advice: I didn't change my routine, as suggested, carrying my iPod Touch, with the Nike+, and my water bottle.

The race seemed to be very organized. You veterans might say that this is how it's always done, but I was impressed with the UPS truck, taking our bags from the starting line to the finish line, and that we got underway exactly as scheduled.

The weather was ideal, in the 40s at the start. I quickly learned that my Nike+ had been calibrating my mileage wrong. As the device said "2 mi", I was only little past the first marker. After awhile, I realized that it was exaggerating my mileage by about 40% which meant that I had been living a running lie and that I had never run the distance that I was attempting to run. I didn't panic, telling myself that I could get to what I was used to and then make it the rest of the way on adrenaline. Besides, I told myself, the Chilean miner had never run more than 6 before and he finished NYC.

I then gave a guy the finger: shortly into the race, a guy was on the side of the road with a sign saying that "homosexuals are going to hell." I was going to ignore it but the guy in front of me gave him a thumbs up so I felt an obligation to counteract it.

Better signs seen along the way (all anonymous): "Toenails are overrated", "You've Done Much Worse For Far Longer" and "You Are Soooo Getting Laid Tonight."

I kept up a good pace, only tiring on unexpected hills in a very nice part of town. I was glad that I had my water bottle as getting the water or Powerade seemed to slow people down. I was surprised that runners would sometimes merely drop the cups, placing them into the path of the other runners. I was also surprised to see people stop to walk but not move to the side. I didn't like the groups of woman who ran astride and talked, making it hard to pass them.

Nice moment: to distract myself, I would focus on my songs. When the obligatory "Born to Run" came on, I sang aloud "Tramps like us, baby we were born to run." Two women near me, smiled and started singing, too.

Then my iPod ran out of juice (again, it had never been used for such a distance). I focused on the bands playing on the side of the road, looked at people (OK, the women), and tried not to tell myself that I had never run this far before. My legs felt fine but I wondered if I would "hit the wall." I never did.

At 11, I noticed another hill and tried to ignore it... until a spectator yelled out "you're almost at the top of the hill." I wish I had my songs to drown her out. I still felt good and started talking with a female runner. I said "I'm sorry if I'm distracting you" and she said it was OK, she liked to talk.

At 12, I started to feel better than I had in miles. The music and the crowds started to get much louder. The finish line is down hill and I started to sprint. I felt proud and happy. It was the greatest participatory sports moment of my life. I pumped my fists as I crossed the line and accepted the medal. I finished at 2:16:28, beyond my goal of under 2 but not too shabby.

The normally mediocre Papa John's pizza may have been the best pizza I ever had.

Thank for reading and the support.

According to a local news article "The winners are George Towett (1:03:44) from Kenya and Maria Elena Calle (1:16:05) from Richmond. This was the very first half marathon Calle ever entered." (She'd never run before? Are you kidding?)

Fman99
Nov 13 2010 02:43 PM
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Congrats on a race well run!

Chad Ochoseis
Nov 13 2010 02:54 PM
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themetfairy wrote:
Chad - feel free to amend your registration to join the Racey Women team. Yes, I know you're a guy, but we're looking to have as large a team as we can manage (and we're a fun group to hang out with at races ).



Done. Hanging out with racey women is fun. I'm assuming I don't need to wear pink.

Speaking of racey women, my MFY lovin', winter hatin', not-a-morning-person girlfriend has shocked me by saying that she may come along to New Brunswick and cheer us on, so there's a good chance you'll get to meet her. I mentioned the magic phrase "lunch at Makeda", and that might just do the trick.

Any tips on parking (besides the garages off George Street)?

bmfc1 wrote:
I successfully completed by first half-marathon this morning, the Richmond Half-Marathon.


Congratulations!

metsmarathon
Nov 13 2010 03:03 PM
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is that chip time or clock time?

regardless, its faster than my average half marathon time! nice work!

bmfc1
Nov 13 2010 03:17 PM
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Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Nov 13 2010 07:16 PM

metsmarathon wrote:
is that chip time or clock time?

regardless, its faster than my average half marathon time! nice work!


Thanks. The Results page says that my Net Time was 2:16:28.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 13 2010 06:34 PM
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bmfc1 wrote:
As the device said "2 mi", I was only little past the first marker. After awhile, I realized that it was exaggerating my mileage by about 40% which meant that I had been living a running lie and that I had never run the distance that I was attempting to run.


I'd have stabbed myself right there.

themetfairy
Nov 13 2010 10:20 PM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 14 2010 11:55 AM

WTG bmfc! - that's fabulous!

And never take a well run race for granted ; there are way too many poorly run ones.

Thanks Chad! No need to wear pink :) You can park behind the College Avenue Gym for the race. And I love Makeda :)

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 13 2010 10:23 PM
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I went for my long weekend run today but in a rotten mood. I was physically okay, but tired and a bit cranky, and even though I thought I was having a good run (no pains of any kind, good weather, OK pace etc) I couldn't get into a good frame of mind.

My route ( [url]http://beta.mapmyrun.com/routes/view/run-jog-map/new-york/new-york/23794372 )takes me south around the Brooklyn Navy Yard to the Manhattan Bridge, quick shot through Chinatown to the East River path, then north to Grand street, over the Williamsburg bridge and back into Brooklyn.

The Williamsburg is a nice run for the most part: Kinda gross and fume-y on the Manhattan side, but its big and wide. Once you make the initial ascent, the Bridge path splits to North (bikes) and South (peds/runners) paths. The North path remains wide with a long, gradual decline on the Brooklyn side; the South walking/running path gets narrow and steep on the descent, since it lets you off 1 block sooner.

I get onto the Williamsburg Bridge and I'm getting fatigued and thirsty, it's about 8 miles at this point and I've been running for more than an hour. An obviously fresher runner passes me, but then stops to walk; I regain a lead but only momentarily, she whips by again on the ascent. This does nothing for my mood and by the time I get to the descent, I'm only looking forward to being done and seeing if I can beat my best time at this route.

The route at this point as I said, becomes narrow (not much more than a city sidewalk, 12 feet?) and quite steep, and I'm taking it quick even though I know I won't catch the girl, I just wanna get the run over with quick as I can. Further ahead of me, near the bottom of the hill, I can see a guy and a girl walking up the bridge, then stop. He's on the left side of the walk, she's in the center, and they're looking at something. I'm barreling down on the right, as fast as I've gone all day, maybe 9-10 mph at that moment.

Even though I've been approaching for a quarter mile, I don't know for sure that they've noticed me coming, and suddenly it's one of those NASCAR moments when there's a wreck ahead and the driver just has to hope they choose the right groove and not get collected. If I go middle I have to aim right for the chick, and it's just plain dumb to cross to the left and invite contact with the guy (not to mention anyone who might be behind me), so I stick it on the outside. Sure enough, chicky chooses that very moment to take a step to the right side and BAM! I slam right the fuck into her on with my left shoulder trying to get by, the hit so hard it detaches my radio/timer thingy from the armstrap and headphone jack, crashes to the pavement, battery pops out, etc.

I hear the girl say "OW!" and myself say "FUCK!!!" even louder. It's a mean kinda delivery, as if I'm simultaneously asking them WTF? and cursing my own shitty run. I am not at all concerned about her, I'm mad that this incident has further fucked up my already fucked-up run, and the battery ejection means that I won't even know for sure whether my time was any good. Oh, and watch where you're going, you stupid cunt. I just wanna keep going, but it takes a moment to collect up my shit off the ground. Finally I muster an insincere "are you all right?" but don't wait around for an answer.

The last mile and a half sucks, and I spend the rest of the day wondering whether there was something to be learned from all this. I don't think there is.

themetfairy
Nov 13 2010 11:09 PM
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Sometimes you need the crappy runs in order to truly appreciate the good ones. But sorry that your run was so lousy :(

metsmarathon
Nov 14 2010 05:43 AM
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i think the obvious lesson to be learned is, next time aim for the center of mass, and drop your shoulder. you'll get right through her.

themetfairy
Nov 14 2010 10:07 AM
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So here's a funny Garmin story. My friend's GPS watch is wonky in a different way than mine - at times it won't show her the time or the distance, but only the number of calories burned. But she has learned over time that 100 calories equals approximately one mile, so when she got to the 500 calorie mark she knew that the end of the 5-mile course was near.

themetfairy
Nov 14 2010 11:53 AM
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bmfc1 wrote:

Better signs seen along the way (all anonymous): "Toenails are overrated"


There were several of these signs on the Marathon route :)

metsmarathon
Nov 15 2010 01:10 PM
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blerg.

i've been having a fitful time of running lately. i mean, blah blah the lung thing. whatever.

i've been dealing with a bit of a glute/hammy thing, that's probably related to chasing the kid around the house, backpedaling before him to help steer him around obstacles as he careens along with his walking toys.

it started acting up a few weeks ago, but was on low burn for a while. then last week i played some basketball, and that got it all agitated again. on friday, though, i got in a good tempo run of 5 miles at a decent pace. the mistake i made was that i didn't stretch afterwards, even though i knew i needed to. saturday, i had a long run to do, 9 miles, and i started out on the run. it was tight and gimpy from the get-go. i had hoped that it would loosen up, but that wasn't to be the case. the first mile was all downhill. then i had the slightest little bit of incline. needing slightly more leg lift, it got more of a stretch, and i knew that if i tried to finish my run, i'd end up having to walk the last 3 miles, all of them uphill, and possibly would have more walking to do. so i cut that run down to only 2.5 miles.

after i got home, i stretched pretty good. felt fine for most of the day, but the end of the day, it was tight again. the next day i had hoped to take minimm for a run alongside mrs.mm. i got a quarter of a mile in and decided to call it quits. it wasn't worth it getting the muscles all unhappy with me on what was supposed to be a rest day / easy run.

today is my regularly scheduled off day, and i'm hoping the rest does me good. tomorrow i've got speedwork that i won't get in due to a lunchtime pizza party. so that gives me until wednesday to feel right enough. i don't want to miss too many more workouts here, but i've gotta do what i've gotta do.



on a generally unrelated note, tonight i'll be throwing my name into the nyc half marathon hopper. i should also put in for the real marathon as well. why not, right?

themetfairy
Nov 15 2010 01:16 PM
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Feel better mm - I know how annoying glute/hammy injuries can be.

Yeah, throw your name into the half - hopefully we'll both get in :)

As to the Marathon - it's up to you. Only enter if you actually want to run the thing :)

Fman99
Nov 15 2010 03:06 PM
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My hip thing is just hanging around. Fortunately it only really bothers me when I'm sitting for long stretches. Now, since I sit at a desk all day at work, well, that's less fortunate. But it's not impacting my running in any way that I can discern.

Knocked out 3.5 miles today in 27:19 without really pushing myself. Just enjoying the weather and trying to maintain good form. I find that I can keep a sub-8 minute pace if I pay more attention to what my arms are doing and keeping my stride long, as opposed to spacing out and flailing around like a windblown newspaper out there. Busted out the sweatpants tonight and the long sleeve shirt and was quite comfortable out there at dusk with temps in the high 40s.

I am really close to resolving to not touch a treadmill again. I can't stand to bring myself to going to the gym after these glorious outdoor runs I've been doing since springtime. Of course, see what I'm saying in February when it's -10 out there.

themetfairy
Nov 15 2010 03:11 PM
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Never say never about the treadmill - in the winter, there will be times when that's your best option.

But yeah - outdoor running is way more pleasant than the treadmill under most weather conditions.

After my 5-miler on Saturday I put in 4.1 miles on Sunday and 3.8 this morning. I guess the reverse taper is over.

Next year I will likely run without a watch - I want to just go back to running for relaxation. But I'll keep track of my mileage for the rest of 2010. As of this morning, I'm up to 989 miles :)

themetfairy
Nov 18 2010 09:08 AM
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After putting in 8.1 miles this morning, I'm up to 1,000.4 for the year so far!

Rockin' Doc
Nov 19 2010 11:48 AM
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I took advantage of having the today off. So I slept in (to 7:45 AM), enjoyed a leisurely cup of coffee while doing a little reading and eventually headed to the gym for a workout. Zipped through my weight lifting routine pretty easily and then hopped on the treadmill. I set the incline to 2% and took off running. I felt really good so I knocked out a rather comfortable 5.11 miles in 40 minutes.
It amazes me how some days the running seems so much easier than it is on other days. I generally find it is easier running in the morning than it is in the evening after working all day. Hopefully I'll be able to get a run in tomorrow morning.

themetfairy
Nov 19 2010 12:24 PM
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Nice job RD!

metsmarathon
Nov 19 2010 12:27 PM
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i'm cranky.

stinkin' glute.

themetfairy
Nov 19 2010 01:42 PM
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I hear ya mm. Feel better!

Ceetar
Nov 19 2010 01:52 PM
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It's 3:49, I get off in 71 minutes and It's about 50/50 right now that I actually go to the gym and run and lift weights. Odds are dropping pretty fast in favor of pizza and fall asleep on the coach.

I have been twice this week at least, so it's not full-on laziness. In fact, I've gone 4.5 times in the last week and a half, all without a migraine, which has been nice.

I have been having a reoccuring pain in my left foot, spanning the bottom of it though. I think I pulled something getting out of the car a month ago or so, and sometimes when I bend it weird it hurts. more walking than running though, and only at the gym.

themetfairy
Nov 19 2010 01:56 PM
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That's good progress Ceetar - especially the no migraines part!

If the foot pain persists, I think you should see your doctor. You don't want to make a small problem into a larger one....

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 19 2010 02:02 PM
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Yeah, when your foot hurts you are liable to hurt other things compensating ... I gave myself tendonitis as a result of a sprain, I think.

Ceetar
Nov 19 2010 02:15 PM
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themetfairy wrote:
That's good progress Ceetar - especially the no migraines part!

If the foot pain persists, I think you should see your doctor. You don't want to make a small problem into a larger one....


Doctors..heh..

The foot pain persists only when I'm walking/powerwalking after jogging/running. I generally try to calm it down before I run again (which I did by lifting myself up a little with my arms to reduce the pressure on my feet. Of course, this overcompensation has led to my wrist hurting, so that I couldn't actually put any pressure on it yesterday). I am/was attributing to the lack of exercise and running I did over the previous 6 weeks, and figured it was just one of those muscles I needed to toughen up and fight off the atrophy for.

It almost feels like I'm stretching my foot and the skin gets pulled too tight on the bottom and hurts.

metsmarathon
Nov 19 2010 02:24 PM
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sounds like it could be plantar fasciitis...

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 19 2010 02:26 PM
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I'm no podiatrist but you have plantar fasciitis

Ceetar
Nov 19 2010 02:33 PM
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Risk factors for plantar fasciitis include:

•Foot arch problems (both flat foot and high arches)
•Obesity
•Running
•Sudden weight gain
•Tight Achilles tendon (the tendon connecting the calf muscles to the heel)
A typical patient is an active man age 40-70.



Well, I'm overweight, I started running again, and I gained 10 pounds in 6 weeks..hmm.. I wouldn't quite classify myself as active, or anywhere near 40 though.

but the symptoms don't really match. talks about heel pain, worse when walking, worse upon waking. Mine only hurts, and not my heel, when i'm power walking, and the only time my heal hurts is slow walking (shopping) and standing around for long periods of time. (I blame posture)

Guess I'll see how I feel today. I usually do try to stretch my feet. Any good stretches to do so besides calf raises?

metsmarathon
Nov 19 2010 02:54 PM
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i only trigger the "flat feet" and "running" indicators, but i've battled plantar fasciitis. under my arch is where it's got me in teh past, never the heel.

typically plantar fasciitis manifests itself in the heel area, but can also strike under the arch. just under the skin on the bottom of the foot is the plantar fascia. its a big tough mass of connective tissue like tendons and stuff. when it gets pissed off, it hurts. when it gets really pissed off, it really hurts. it likes rest, massage, ice, and stretching.

i've got a good stretch for it where i lean up against a wall like i'm going to stretch my calf, but instead of keeping my back foot flat on the ground, i rise up on my toes, and lean into the wall. the front foot, i hover just off hte ground at the base of the wall to get the most amount of stretch into the arch of the back foot. the only part of me touching the ground is the toes and ball of my back foot. i do this for a 30 second hold, each foot, before i run, and usually after. seems to've mostly licked the problem for a few years now, but when i get lazy with my stretching, it threatens a return.

a good way to ice it is to freeze a water bottle (crack it open and sip a little out first, otherwise it may burst when it freezes, as water tends to expand as it solidifies), and roll your foot over it once it's frozen. when you're done, toss it back into the fridge, and never ever again drink from your foot bottle. that's just gross. the frozen water bottles also double as a massage tool. as you're icing, you're also massaging if you put enough pressure on it.

golf balls make for good massagers, too. they also make dedicated foot-massaging balls that have little spikes on em, and other implements are available too, but golf balls work pretty good. tennis balls are also adequate to the task, and a baseball would likely work as well. but don't use any balls that you would want to ever put into your mouth. nobody likes the taste of sweaty foot balls. again, gross. and why are you putting balls in your mouth anyways? uh, forget i asked.

Ceetar
Nov 19 2010 03:00 PM
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metsmarathon wrote:
i've got a good stretch for it where i lean up against a wall like i'm going to stretch my calf, but instead of keeping my back foot flat on the ground, i rise up on my toes, and lean into the wall. the front foot, i hover just off hte ground at the base of the wall to get the most amount of stretch into the arch of the back foot. the only part of me touching the ground is the toes and ball of my back foot. i do this for a 30 second hold, each foot, before i run, and usually after. seems to've mostly licked the problem for a few years now, but when i get lazy with my stretching, it threatens a return.


Thanks, this sounds like a good one. 5oclock..time to hit the gym I guess. Certainly better than staying here and writing Paradox code anyway.

Fman99
Nov 19 2010 06:19 PM
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POWERFUL back spasms yesterday morning, so I'm doing the Frankenstein thing. I did get on the elliptical today for 30 minutes as I can do it without moving my upper body much.

After the kids go to bed I will medicate courtesy of the good folks at Seagrams. I have a 5k Sunday morning at 10 AM which gives me another 36 hours to loosen up.

Ceetar
Nov 19 2010 06:34 PM
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Fman99 wrote:
POWERFUL back spasms yesterday morning, so I'm doing the Frankenstein thing. I did get on the elliptical today for 30 minutes as I can do it without moving my upper body much.

After the kids go to bed I will medicate courtesy of the good folks at Seagrams. I have a 5k Sunday morning at 10 AM which gives me another 36 hours to loosen up.


I dunno, seagrams always makes me feel tighter. I assume you mean whiskey and not those fruity malt drinks?

themetfairy
Nov 19 2010 06:37 PM
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Try the Therma Care heat patches - I find them to be very helpful for back pain.

Feel better!

Ceetar
Nov 19 2010 07:08 PM
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themetfairy wrote:
Try the Therma Care heat patches - I find them to be very helpful for back pain.

Feel better!


and other pain as well I hear, but hopefully he doesn't need those.

I like your new user icon.

Fman99
Nov 19 2010 07:32 PM
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Ceetar wrote:
Fman99 wrote:
POWERFUL back spasms yesterday morning, so I'm doing the Frankenstein thing. I did get on the elliptical today for 30 minutes as I can do it without moving my upper body much.

After the kids go to bed I will medicate courtesy of the good folks at Seagrams. I have a 5k Sunday morning at 10 AM which gives me another 36 hours to loosen up.


I dunno, seagrams always makes me feel tighter. I assume you mean whiskey and not those fruity malt drinks?


I actually meant the gin.

Also rocking the electric heating pad.

themetfairy
Nov 19 2010 07:37 PM
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Ceetar wrote:

I like your new user icon.


Thanks. It seemed like the thing to do :)

themetfairy
Nov 19 2010 07:39 PM
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Fman99 wrote:

Also rocking the electric heating pad.


What's nice about the Therma Care patches is that they are comforting like a heating pad but you're not constrained by the power cord.

Ceetar
Nov 19 2010 07:42 PM
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Fman99 wrote:
Fman99 wrote:


I actually meant the gin.

Also rocking the electric heating pad.


ahh..gin's good. it's juniper berries. that means it's a fruit and good for you.

Worst case, you keep drinking to dull the pain for the run.

themetfairy
Nov 22 2010 03:15 PM
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That's just showing off!

Bermudian Runner Wins 8K While Pushing Baby Stroller

themetfairy
Nov 22 2010 03:54 PM
Re:

themetfairy wrote:
This weekend D-Dad and I went to Bermuda so I could run the 10K there. It was a rough course - much hillier than any course I've ever done before (including four miles in Cincinnati in 2003). I wound up walking up the hills in order to complete the course - that sucked, but I still had a good time. The scenery was gorgeous, and when I entered the stadium at the end of the run, my name was announced, and that was very cool. Plus I got this medal, which is the same medal the marathoners and half marathoners received in today's races -



Note to metsmarathon - they have a Bermuda Triangle Challenge that you might like - 1 mile Friday night, 10K Saturday and either the marathon or half marathon on Sunday. Yes, it's hilly, but you're never going to find more beautiful scenery anywhere.



I just noticed this post for the first time in forever.

In a lot of ways, my failure in this race led to my Marathon. I wanted to go back to get the 10K right, and in the midst of planning for that my inspiration to run my first half marathon came upon me. If I hadn't already committed to this race in my mind, I might not have been thinking about attempting longer distances at all.

I've come a long way in the past two-and-a-half years....

metsmarathon
Nov 22 2010 06:53 PM
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nice!

speaking of making progress...


yeah, minimm'll be running in no time.

themetfairy
Nov 22 2010 07:32 PM
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He'll be winning his age divisions too!

themetfairy
Nov 24 2010 07:59 AM
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I just applied for a race. It's only a quarter mile. But there's a catch.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 24 2010 08:16 AM
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metsmarathon wrote:
nice!

speaking of making progress...


yeah, minimm'll be running in no time.


I think your kid might be depressed.

My ankle shenanigans returned again last week. Minor discomfort, but ran on it anyway, not real good since, so I'm taking at least a week off.

themetfairy
Nov 24 2010 08:38 AM
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Feel better Lunchie!

Benjamin Grimm
Nov 24 2010 08:41 AM
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I just wanna give some advance warning that this very large thread will be closed at the end of next month so that it can drift to the archives. It can be replaced with a Running Thread 2011 (or something like that).

metsmarathon
Nov 24 2010 09:27 AM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:


I think your kid might be depressed.

My ankle shenanigans returned again last week. Minor discomfort, but ran on it anyway, not real good since, so I'm taking at least a week off.


yeah, he doesn't smile much does he?

i think i have a decent chance of getting healthy one of these days. minimm walking will be a major contributor here. i think what broke my butt was backpedaling through the house helping him steer his dinosaur.



he discovered right away that instead of holding the handles, he could move a hell of a lot faster if he drops down and pushes from the back seat area (it folds closed so that it can become a ride-on toy). with a good lean, he's wicked fast, and can just about outpace us. unfortunately, our hallway isn't exactly a straight shot, so he's needed help getting around the kitchen and stairways, and not getting hung up in any doors. so we'd be backpedaling in front of him, guiding him along as needed, and turning him around at one end of the house or the other for the return trip.

but, now that he's walking and that we've decided to hid the dinosaur except for as a special treat, there's so much less backpedaling needed. so my backpedal muscle gets a needed rest.

stretching it more and running less is also helping a lot. playing volleyball last night, not so much.

metsmarathon
Nov 24 2010 09:31 AM
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Benjamin Grimm wrote:
I just wanna give some advance warning that this very large thread will be closed at the end of next month so that it can drift to the archives. It can be replaced with a Running Thread 2011 (or something like that).


gah! i was hoping to make it to 2000 posts! lets get cracking, people!

Fman99
Nov 24 2010 10:20 AM
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Anyone running in a Turkey Trot race tomorrow? I'm doing a 5k that will likely be my last race of 2010... a big one, last year they had nearly a thousand participants.

themetfairy
Nov 24 2010 10:27 AM
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Fman99 wrote:
Anyone running in a Turkey Trot race tomorrow? I'm doing a 5k that will likely be my last race of 2010... a big one, last year they had nearly a thousand participants.


No - there wasn't one close enough for my taste. The Big Chill on December 11th will likely be my last race of the year.

soupcan
Nov 24 2010 10:40 AM
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Fman99 wrote:
Anyone running in a Turkey Trot race tomorrow? I'm doing a 5k that will likely be my last race of 2010... a big one, last year they had nearly a thousand participants.


Believe it or not, I am.

A 5-miler in my town. I've got 4 nieces and nephews and my 13 year-old son doing it so I decided to give it a go.


themetfairy wrote:
I just applied for a race. It's only a quarter mile. But there's a catch.


Ooof. Good luck. I hear that is a brutal endeavor.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 24 2010 10:50 AM
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I bailed on the 5 miler at prospect park due to my shitty left foot

themetfairy
Nov 24 2010 11:17 AM
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Anyone running in a Turkey Trot race tomorrow? I'm doing a 5k that will likely be my last race of 2010... a big one, last year they had nearly a thousand participants.


Believe it or not, I am.

A 5-miler in my town. I've got 4 nieces and nephews and my 13 year-old son doing it so I decided to give it a go.


I just applied for a race. It's only a quarter mile. But there's a catch.


Ooof. Good luck. I hear that is a brutal endeavor.


Good luck Soup!

And thanks - I guess I'd better start getting in some stair machine work.

At least I'll be there in a charity singlet (from the NYRR's Team for Kids), so it won't shock anyone when I'm the last one up :)

metsmarathon
Nov 24 2010 11:34 AM
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i've run the local turkey trot each of its first three years. each year its been my fastest 5k. this year i'm skipping it for a few reasons.

one: i'm not going to be able to pr, and that has me in a moody place, and i don't want a bad race on my permanent record. i mean, i guess there's a decent chance that i could probably run and challenge 22:, but
two: i haven't been able to run enough lately to prepare for a 5k, due to the glute thing. moreso,
three: its still not recovering enough, and i'm fairly certain that pushing myself in a 5k would be bad. very bad. and besides,
four: with minimm toddling about, there's plenty of work left to do around the house that i don't think taking well over an hour break in the action will lead to positive results, especially given the above, and that mrs.mm would be devoting that same hour to the boy instead of the house.

it's tempting to run with him in the stroller, mitigating some of the impact of four, and have that as a primary excuse for one above, but i know me, and i don't know how to hold back enough in a race to avoid trouble on two and three, and pushing over 40 lbs of extra weight, no matter how easy freely the stroller wheels, would be a further stressor, even if i just ran it as an easy run.

it is a race that allows strollers, but the start is pretty narrow, and crowded, so i'd want to start out either in the back or in the front, and neither of them would be good for me.

i do love the race, but the rest, sadly, is more important than the run. also, i'm having trouble getting past one. i was really looking forward all year to busting up a pr, just killing it, and i'm not happy that its not going to happen tomorrow. so to avoid being extra-super-duper whiny, i'm just avoiding the race.

metsmarathon
Nov 24 2010 11:52 AM
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by the way, tmf, did you get any of the finishers apparel from the marathon? i was just browsing around on the nyrr site and happened through the marathon store. the bridges logo is fantastic, and the graphic little runner guy dashing along the path through the circles is just swell. i like them way better that the stuff they had at any of my new yorks. especially the bridges. i'm very jealous here.

also, i suck. i never did sign up for the half marathon lottery. boo, me. i meant to, but it was my anniversary that night. got distracted by wife and baby. i've gotta sign up for the full, damnit! luckily, i have until april to put that one off until...

themetfairy
Nov 24 2010 12:26 PM
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Feel better mm!

I ordered the finisher sweatshirt, but it's on back order. I can't wait for it to arrive.

Otherwise, most of the finisher garb didn't grab me. Part of the reason is that in my relatively new body, I'm only looking for good women's cuts, and within those constraints the pickings were slim. I don't love the scoop neck women's finishers shirt enough to plunk down $30 for it (especially since I wasn't shy about spending D-Dad's money at the race expo. Aside from the shirt that came with my bib number, I bought five others....).

Rockin' Doc
Nov 24 2010 07:57 PM
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I ran a personal best of 23:13 for 5K this evening after work. I was hoping for 23:00, but couldn't quite do it. I'll get there someday (I hope). I ended up doing an even 4 miles in 30 minutes.

I'm hoping to run a 5K sometime next year. I'll likely make it a resolution to run at least one 5K race in 2011.

metsmarathon
Nov 24 2010 08:17 PM
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themetfairy wrote:
Otherwise, most of the finisher garb didn't grab me. Part of the reason is that in my relatively new body, I'm only looking for good women's cuts, and within those constraints the pickings were slim.


men have it easy. they don't try to sell shirts to us in a women's cut

Fman99
Nov 24 2010 09:08 PM
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Rockin' Doc wrote:
I ran a personal best of 23:13 for 5K this evening after work. I was hoping for 23:00, but couldn't quite do it. I'll get there someday (I hope). I ended up doing an even 4 miles in 30 minutes.

I'm hoping to run a 5K sometime next year. I'll likely make it a resolution to run at least one 5K race in 2011.


Good for you Doc!

Tomorrow's 5k will be my 13th of 2010. I'm proud to say I've finished all of them in under 26 minutes, and had fun in all of them also.

themetfairy
Nov 24 2010 10:12 PM
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WTG RD!

And since I was never blessed with speed, I'm with Fman about the importance of having fun during races (while at the same time I'm envious of his speed, as well as almost everyone else's....).

soupcan
Nov 25 2010 06:48 PM
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Ran the 5 miler this morning with a lot of the extended family home for Turkey.


(that's soupy, jr. & me on the far right)


Finished in either 48:20 or 48:39 or 48:49 depending on whether you want to believe my watch, my niece's watch or the 'official' timer.

That's fine with me, up until this past Tuesday I hadn't run as far as 5 miles in at least a year. I ran this course early Tuesday morning just to make sure I could and clocked a 52:40 then, so whatever my time was this morning, I'm happy about it.


Looking good, huh?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 25 2010 07:14 PM
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Nice job Soup. Your total lack of arm action indicates your exhaustion.

PS, nice junk.

PPS, your kitchen is bigger than my whole apt.

soupcan
Nov 25 2010 07:21 PM
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Gracias.

Wish it was but it's not my kitchen. It's my bro and sis-in-law's and yes it is quite large.

themetfairy
Nov 25 2010 07:29 PM
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Nice job soup!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 25 2010 07:30 PM
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What kinda kicks are you wearing?

soupcan
Nov 25 2010 07:44 PM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
What kinda kicks are you wearing?


Last year's Nike Free 5.0 V.4. Awesomely comfortable and very light.


Fman99
Nov 25 2010 08:21 PM
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Ran a 23:39 5k this morning, finishing 203rd out of 1337 (!) runners, and 10th out of 51 in the M35-39 age bracket. Weather was chilly but not precipitous, so I was happy with it.

The only race anywhere near here in December is the same day as my company holiday party, so I believe my 2010 race season is done. I resolved at New Years' Day to run 10 5k's and I ended up doing 13 of them this year.

themetfairy
Nov 25 2010 08:25 PM
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Nice job Fman!

Fman99
Nov 25 2010 09:05 PM
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In case you were wondering what 1300 people look like lined up for a 5k and freezing their asses off...

From our local news site, I can be seen in the two-tone grey/green wool Jets hat, about 4-5 heads in from the left edge of the photo. My friend John is in front of me and to my right, wearing the turkey hat.

Frayed Knot
Nov 25 2010 09:13 PM
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soupcan wrote:
John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
What kinda kicks are you wearing?


Last year's Nike Free 5.0 V.4. Awesomely comfortable and very light.




Does OchoCinco want them back after you're done with them?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 26 2010 06:30 AM
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That's what I thought they were.

I am still considering a non-correcting pair of shoes when I get on the road again. Still haven't given up the Asics 2140s yet, even with about 1K miles on them.

soupcan
Nov 26 2010 06:56 AM
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As I said - they are super comfy but they are not very supportive at all. I wore them yesterday only because I've been wearing them but in retrospect my 46 year-old ankles probably would've preferred a sturdier shoe.

soupcan
Nov 26 2010 08:00 AM
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Fman99 wrote:
In case you were wondering what 1300 people look like lined up for a 5k and freezing their asses off...

From our local news site, I can be seen in the two-tone grey/green wool Jets hat, about 4-5 heads in from the left edge of the photo. My friend John is in front of me and to my right, wearing the turkey hat.



Dude - you are one scary looking mofo in that get-up. Congrats though, nice pace.

themetfairy
Nov 28 2010 08:19 AM
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I ran 10K yesterday with some Team McGraw peeps in memory of our departed teammate, Jen McDevitt. We ran the streets of Somerdale and Voorhees, NJ. We had to stop for red lights and at intersections, but overall it was a good run.

Today, though, I craved something more continuous, so I ran 4.1 miles locally. I finished in 48:46, which isn't all that impressive, but two weeks ago the same course took me 51:03. So I'm pleased about that.

Fman99
Nov 28 2010 05:32 PM
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I'm a big puss. After all my bluster I'm just not able to get amped up about running outside in 30 degree weather. It's not helping that it's totally dark by the time I get back to Syracuse from work, and I'm not really a "run during lunch break" guy because then I have to be a "takes a shower at work" guy who also "sees a lot of other men's cocks."

I'm back on the treadmill for now. It's also to help my sister in law who wants to meet me at the gym, and seems disinclined to go unless she has someone to join her.

themetfairy
Nov 28 2010 06:43 PM
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You gotta do what you gotta do.

Keep in mind that you can always play it by ear. If there's a particularly nice day, you can always decide to go out.

But so long as you stay active, it's all good.

Tomorrow I'm going to re-up and get a 3-month at the fancy gym nearby (a year ago I had won a 3-month membership there, but let it lapse after the free period was over). They have some really great stair machines, which I can use for ESB Run Up training. After that, I'll decide whether to keep the membership (it's not cheap, but D-Dad has been encouraging me to do it because this place has great machines and classes). If I do stay, I plan on doing a lot of cross-training for cardio. In the long run that's better for my aging body than it is to run as much as I have over the last couple of years.

BTW, three weeks after the Marathon, I find it hard to believe that I actually completed 26.2 miles. It seems like an impossibly long distance, and I have no idea how I was able to keep trudging along for 6:12:20....

Rockin' Doc
Nov 29 2010 02:44 PM
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I had this afternoon off. After 2 hours of "honey do" chores that my wife had lined up for me, I headed to the gym for a work out. Lifted weights for 30 minutes, stretched, then ran 6.50 miles in 50 minutes. Did the first 5K in 23:48 and the next 5K in 24:00. I kicked it as hard as I thought I could for the final 2 minutes in order to make it to my goal of 6.50 miles. I think my last remaining target for the year (7.5 miles in 1 hour) is easily within my sights once I decide to make a push for it and increase my time. I also would like to make it to 23:00 flat for 5K, which I haven't quite been able to do yet. Then come January 1st, it appears that I'm going to have to tackle the hardest part of this journey and go on a diet. All this exercise and running has helped me lose some weight and I'm definitely in far better shape than I have been in 20-25 years, but I would like to lose another 8-10 pounds. It is becoming obvious that exercise alone isn't going to get me there.

themetfairy
Nov 29 2010 03:29 PM
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Good work RD!

And I guarantee that if you lose those pounds, you'll get that speed that you're seeking.

TransMonk
Dec 01 2010 08:18 PM
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For the first time (in my life, I think), I ran 5K without walking any part of it today. 5.5 mph throughout on the treadmill for a 33:58 time.

I started on the treadmill at the beginning of November and plan on spending December building up a bit more speed before working toward 8K. I've signed up for an 8K run on April 30th and I've got my eye on a quarter marathon for the end of May.

My body has had no problem with working up to 5K. My big hurdle is the mental part of keeping on keeping on through the entire run. Either way, I'm psyched!

Fman99
Dec 01 2010 08:26 PM
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TransMonk wrote:
For the first time (in my life, I think), I ran 5K without walking any part of it today. 5.5 mph throughout on the treadmill for a 33:58 time.

I started on the treadmill at the beginning of November and plan on spending December building up a bit more speed before working toward 8K. I've signed up for an 8K run on April 30th and I've got my eye on a quarter marathon for the end of May.

My body has had no problem with working up to 5K. My big hurdle is the mental part of keeping on keeping on through the entire run. Either way, I'm psyched!


Good for you TM! You're almost exactly where I was a year ago, started indoors on a treadmill and ran all winter on one. By spring you'll be ready for racing...

themetfairy
Dec 01 2010 09:02 PM
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WTG TM - that's great!

I find the iPod to be essential for long runs. It goes a long way towards staving off the mental fatigue.

TransMonk
Dec 02 2010 01:59 PM
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I've got the Ipod rocking, though I need to find some new earphones as the buds I have tend to want to slip after 2 miles due to sweat.

The last week has been better as I have been hiding the treadmill stats with a towel and gauging my distance based on how many songs I've heard. Watching the distance inch by on a digital display was making me crazy.

I'm looking forward to spring where I can actually gauge my distance by physical landmarks.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 02 2010 02:08 PM
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We've done the headphone discussion in this thread somewhere (?) ... I finally went and got "sport" Sony ones that sorta go around the whole ear. Sweat and stuff will eventually ruin them but at prolly not a terrible investment at $30 a year or whatever.

Ceetar
Dec 02 2010 02:21 PM
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TransMonk wrote:
I've got the Ipod rocking, though I need to find some new earphones as the buds I have tend to want to slip after 2 miles due to sweat.

The last week has been better as I have been hiding the treadmill stats with a towel and gauging my distance based on how many songs I've heard. Watching the distance inch by on a digital display was making me crazy.

I'm looking forward to spring where I can actually gauge my distance by physical landmarks.


I tend to stop and start, so I always end up calculating the treadmill stats and rates while I'm running/walking and use them dipping towards low numbers to motivate me to move my feet more. I start making deals with myself "Okay, if you run at this speed for 75 seconds, you'll be able to walk for 2 more minutes"

my iPod headphones stay in fine, although I can't imagine what sort of germs are on them from sweating on them constantly. I really need to make up a more upbeat workout type mix, as I suck at music and have a lot of mellow stuff, and video game stuff, on their that's too slow. I could probably use Pandora on my phone if I didn't kill the battery checking email and twitter all day at work.

Good luck and keep at it :-D That 5k is probably better than I can do, which is just an example of how I need to stick to working at it and stop taking weeks at a time off.

TransMonk
Dec 02 2010 02:22 PM
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Yeah cheap, around the ear models seem to be the way to go. I keep forgetting to pick them up when I'm out and about doing Xmas shopping.

metsmarathon
Dec 02 2010 02:29 PM
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i vote for the ~$20 phillips 'surround sound' earphones. the current model appears to be the SHE6000. they have a good enough fit in my ears that they don't routinely bounce out, and the surround sound design actually permits some ambient noise in while also somehow enhancing the bass, which prevents the cocoony claustrophoby feeling of just about any other in-ear earphone.

http://www.jr.com/philips/pe/PHI_SHE600 ... TabDetails

they're also common at target. probably walmart. and, i'm sure, just about anywhere else headphones are sold.

themetfairy
Dec 02 2010 02:30 PM
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I use ear buds that look something like this -



They got me through Marathon training and the race itself, and were really reliable. I tend to run with one in my ear and the other tucked down the back of my shirt, so that I can hear oncoming traffic, etc.

TransMonk
Dec 02 2010 03:31 PM
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Thanks, guys. I'll have to go shopping this weekend.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 02 2010 09:25 PM
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I ran tonight for the first time in 2 weeks after resting my wonky foot and conveniently, getting a cold.

As you may know I'd been taping my ankle every time I go but still had an uncomfortable wobble, so tonight I also broke in one of those lace-up ankle sleeves.

Definitely stabilized any potential East-West shifts, but the up-down was harder than it shoulda been. The thing also dug into my flesh after awhile, looks lik I may need higher soxx to wear this comfortably.

It was the right amount of cold out there -- high 30s but dry and not too much wind, actually felt real good to be out in that with hat/glove/sleeves/long pants. Endurance and speed was okay considering the layoff too, but we'll see about the ankle tomorrow.

themetfairy
Dec 03 2010 05:39 AM
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Welcome back to the fold Lunchie. I hope the ankle is ok today.

Fman99
Dec 03 2010 10:40 AM
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TransMonk wrote:
Thanks, guys. I'll have to go shopping this weekend.


I like these cheap little babies, sold at K-Mart and Walmart also I believe.

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-MDR-J10-Head ... B00005V8GO

I buy a new pair of these every year or so when one of the wires start to slip and I get one-ear music instead of two. What I like is that when they are in your ears the speakers point towards the back of your head, instead of right at your ear canals. They seem to stay in better as a result of this.

Rockin' Doc
Dec 03 2010 06:26 PM
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I decided to take another crack at running a 23:00 5K. I lifted weights and stretched as usual, then set the treadmill for 3.10 miles. I was hopeful that I could run a little harder, if I didn't have continue running for an extended period after reaching the 5K mark. I did the first mile in 7:31 and the second mile in 7:28. A nice start, but I realized it wasn't going to be fast enough to reach my goal. I decided to kick it in and hope I could hold up for the final 8 minutes. I ended up running the third mile in 7:11 and I knew I had a shot. With the "finish line" in sight, I ran hard and made the 5K mark at 22:50. I really don't think I can wring much more speed out of my old body, but I have already accomplished more than I ever imagined when I began running after Christmas 2009.

themetfairy
Dec 03 2010 07:41 PM
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WTG RD - that's wonderful!

Fman99
Dec 03 2010 08:29 PM
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Rockin' Doc wrote:
I decided to take another crack at running a 23:00 5K. I lifted weights and stretched as usual, then set the treadmill for 3.10 miles. I was hopeful that I could run a little harder, if I didn't have continue running for an extended period after reaching the 5K mark. I did the first mile in 7:31 and the second mile in 7:28. A nice start, but I realized it wasn't going to be fast enough to reach my goal. I decided to kick it in and hope I could hold up for the final 8 minutes. I ended up running the third mile in 7:11 and I knew I had a shot. With the "finish line" in sight, I ran hard and made the 5K mark at 22:50. I really don't think I can wring much more speed out of my old body, but I have already accomplished more than I ever imagined when I began running after Christmas 2009.


Good for you Doc! That's a solid pace, just off the 22:44 5k I ran in October.

Ironically, I could never crank out a pace that fast on the treadmill, for whatever reason I'm just a faster runner on pavement than I am at the gym. I ran a 3.5 mile 30 minute run today and felt good, my main limitation is the amount of sweat pouring off of my body and in my eyes.

metsmarathon
Dec 03 2010 08:46 PM
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nice work! i, too, am much faster on the roads than the treadmill. its a sweat thing.

my butt is still sore. its really quite the pain in the ass.

i'm hoping to try running tomorrow. i've got a half marathon to get ready for...

themetfairy
Dec 03 2010 09:22 PM
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metsmarathon wrote:
i've got a half marathon to get ready for...


Which one?

metsmarathon
Dec 04 2010 12:11 PM
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walt disney world, jan 8th. my plan is to run it with mrs.mm, likely in an attempt to break 2:15.

when she signed up for diva's, i'd proposed to her a carrot of sorts. if she broke 2:30 in her return to the half marathon, then i'd wear a skirt in a race. this might be that race. but i still need to find a suitably cute running skirt. or a kilt. and no, i would not be going true-scotsman. one, i'm not a scot, and two, it's a family race, fer chrissakes!

themetfairy
Dec 04 2010 12:32 PM
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Right - I forgot.

Best of luck with the training, and have fun next month :)

Fman99
Dec 08 2010 07:52 PM
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Ran outside tonight in the wind and snow for the first time. It was great fun. Streets were quiet but well lit with streetlights. My glasses got pretty foggy and I got ice in my eyelashes by the end, but still. Quite entertaining.

Way better than the treadmill. I think I'll go back out there again tomorrow.

themetfairy
Dec 08 2010 08:07 PM
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Running in the fresh snow is fun.

Ice, not so much.....

Glad that you enjoyed it :)

themetfairy
Dec 09 2010 06:28 PM
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Run to Home Base at Fenway

Damn - the date is a bad one for me. I'll see whether I can make it work, but if they don't change it (which they might - I can't see how they're going to pull this off during a BoSox home stand) I may have to wait until 2012....

themetfairy
Dec 10 2010 03:08 PM
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My Marathon Finisher sweatshirt FINALLY arrived!



It'll be a nice layer to wear tomorrow for the Big Chill 5K at Rutgers :)

themetfairy
Dec 11 2010 09:43 AM
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Had a lot of fun at the Big Chill 5K at Freakin' Rutgers. Thanks Chad Ochoseis for joining our team - it was great seeing you there (and meeting your lovely gf!).

I finished in 35:28:95. All of the results are here.

Chad Ochoseis
Dec 11 2010 11:18 AM
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First ever race with two CPFers, I believe.

25:52.85, but it took me about a minute to get to the start line and pass up a bunch of big, chilly stragglers. First mile was 9:01, then a steady 8 minute pace the rest of the way.

Frayed Knot
Dec 12 2010 03:45 PM
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My niece recently turned in a 28:06 5K -- which is kind of impressive considering:
a) it was 7AM and in the upper 20s and windy at the time
b) she just turned 11 the day before
c) she's about the size of an 8 year old

themetfairy
Dec 12 2010 04:35 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
My niece recently turned in a 28:06 5K -- which is kind of impressive considering:
a) it was 7AM and in the upper 20s and windy at the time
b) she just turned 11 the day before
c) she's about the size of an 8 year old


NICE!

metsmarathon
Dec 12 2010 04:51 PM
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themetfairy wrote:
My niece recently turned in a 28:06 5K -- which is kind of impressive considering:
a) it was 7AM and in the upper 20s and windy at the time
b) she just turned 11 the day before
c) she's about the size of an 8 year old


NICE!


nice work!

and great job all y'all big chillin' cranepooplers.

i spent yesterday morning sleeping in. then we got a tree. today we had a birthday party. i might run tomorrow.

i did run on friday. i went 3 miles. mrs.mm was doing quarter repeats. i had a hard time keeping up with her on her last one...

themetfairy
Dec 12 2010 08:32 PM
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BTW, Chad Ochoseis opined that The Big Chill was the first race in which two CPFers participated. I've been wracking my brain, but I can't think of another instance so far where this has happened.

We need to do better than this next year. Let's make it our CPF Running Club New Year's Resolution to get together for a race in 2011.

metsmarathon
Dec 12 2010 08:41 PM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 12 2010 08:50 PM

i believe there was a run to home plate that we were both at, likely a lincoln tunnel run or two as well.

bam. 2003 lincoln tunnel run. you finished about two places ahead of my future mother in law.

Fman99
Dec 12 2010 08:49 PM
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themetfairy wrote:
BTW, Chad Ochoseis opined that The Big Chill was the first race in which two CPFers participated. I've been wracking my brain, but I can't think of another instance so far where this has happened.

We need to do better than this next year. Let's make it our CPF Running Club New Year's Resolution to get together for a race in 2011.


I'm in, it's one of the 11 running resolutions for 2011 that I am making. If it's in NJ then that'd knock out two of my running resolutions (*to run at least one race not in NY state).

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 12 2010 09:03 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
My niece recently turned in a 28:06 5K -- which is kind of impressive considering:
a) it was 7AM and in the upper 20s and windy at the time
b) she just turned 11 the day before
c) she's about the size of an 8 year old


d) She's like a 4th helping of Cuteypie.

Cold and Bizzyness with work n' stuff knocked me off my schedule. I got out to the gym the other night but could only take 20 minutes on the treadmill before I died of boredom. The good news I was made tracks on it, hot pace.

themetfairy
Dec 12 2010 09:09 PM
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metsmarathon wrote:
i believe there was a run to home plate that we were both at, likely a lincoln tunnel run or two as well.

bam. 2003 lincoln tunnel run. you finished about two places ahead of my future mother in law.


Good memory mm!

Although we can amend Chad's observation - the Big Chill was the first race where two CPF members actually hung out with each other before and after the run.

metsmarathon
Dec 12 2010 09:15 PM
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race results being readily available on the internet sure helps my memory. (i really wish the run to home plate was a scored race, instead of an unofficially timed fun run. i've no records of them aside from the t-shirts.)

themetfairy
Dec 12 2010 09:21 PM
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metsmarathon wrote:
race results being readily available on the internet sure helps my memory. (i really wish the run to home plate was a scored race, instead of an unofficially timed fun run. i've no records of them aside from the t-shirts.)


Here is my account of the 2003 Run to Home Plate, and it makes reference to the fact that I also ran it in 2001.

themetfairy
Dec 15 2010 05:57 AM
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The lottery results are out, and I'll be running the 2011 NYC Half Marathon.

Part of me would have been just as excited not to have gotten in. I'm definitely tiring of the distance training. On the other hand, there is something nice about the concept of finishing up my year and a half of half marathons back home in New York. And after last March's less than stellar run, featuring my sore glute, it'll be nice to run this race while healthy.

So I will make this my final half marathon, absent something unexpected. It'll be a fun way to finish up this unbelievable chapter of my life.

themetfairy
Dec 15 2010 07:34 AM
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In other running news, I'll be running the Broad Street Run in Philadelphia with Team McGraw on May 1st. Do any of you guys want to join me in running for Tug in enemy territory?

metsmarathon
Dec 15 2010 08:59 AM
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hmm... same day as nj marathon/long branch half marathon...

it might be time for a new race...

put me down as a strong possibility.

themetfairy
Dec 15 2010 09:40 AM
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metsmarathon wrote:
hmm... same day as nj marathon/long branch half marathon...

it might be time for a new race...

put me down as a strong possibility.


That would be so cool!

And the fundraising obligation for this would be minimal if you join up with Team McGraw. $50 to register, and only $150 beyond that. Definitely consider it - I could use a Blue and Orange compadre in the Sea of Red!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 15 2010 09:46 AM
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I was gonna pimp the Fiesta 5K in Baltimore the following week:

[url]http://support.alscenter.org/site/TR?fr_id=1080&pg=entry

metsmarathon
Dec 15 2010 11:57 AM
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grr. i'm starting to think maybe the best way for me to train for the disney world half (in three weeks) is not to train at all.

i'm pretty sure i'll have no problem with the distance just going off my baseline fitness and muscle memory, but i've barely run since the end of september, certainly relative to what i usually run. and my butt is not getting any happier.

maybe these next three weeks it'll finally heal itself. who knows.

i'm currently at 1081 miles for the year. i'm over 100 miles below last year's total, and probably won't even get to 1100 this year. heck, i probably wont even get the 12 miles i'd need for a 3-mile daily average.

i don't think i'd pull up lame in the half, but i don't really want to risk that. sure, i could just not run the race at all, but i'd rather give it a shot, and see if i can help mrs.mm crack 2:15. its already paid for and everything...

themetfairy
Dec 15 2010 12:39 PM
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metsmarathon wrote:
grr. i'm starting to think maybe the best way for me to train for the disney world half (in three weeks) is not to train at all.

i'm pretty sure i'll have no problem with the distance just going off my baseline fitness and muscle memory, but i've barely run since the end of september, certainly relative to what i usually run. and my butt is not getting any happier.

maybe these next three weeks it'll finally heal itself. who knows.

i'm currently at 1081 miles for the year. i'm over 100 miles below last year's total, and probably won't even get to 1100 this year. heck, i probably wont even get the 12 miles i'd need for a 3-mile daily average.

i don't think i'd pull up lame in the half, but i don't really want to risk that. sure, i could just not run the race at all, but i'd rather give it a shot, and see if i can help mrs.mm crack 2:15. its already paid for and everything...


Can you defer it?

Honestly, if the glute is bothering you enough that you're not going to be able to get in 19 miles in two weeks, I don't think that you're going to help mrs.mm much in a month....

metsmarathon
Dec 15 2010 02:23 PM
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they don't do deferments. if they did, i'd probably not bother, as i'm not really all that desperate to run the race. i'm doing it because i'm down there, and because mrs.mm could use a running partner to help her hit a goal time (before the lung thing and the butt thing, i might've been inclined to attempt a pr).

i'm not really worried about the distance, and the debilitating effects of not training sufficiently for a distance race. i've run the goofy's race and a half having taken the prior three weeks off due to plantar fasciitis. i can handle 3 low mileage months prior to a half marathon at a comfortable pace. (hello, hubris? metsmarathon calling...)

no, really. its not the steps or the distance or anything like that that seems to be bothering the glute. its leg lift and leg extension, particularly at anything faster than 9 minutes/mile. the slower relative pace that i'll be going in the half shouldn't exacerbate it, especially provided it heals up. i'm there to provide mental support and companionship. if i have to drop out, i drop out. no big. the second i start holding her back from her goal pace is the second i hop on the monorail.

it wouldn't be so bad if i could figure out how to sooth the damned thing. the offending/offended muscle is deep in there, and seems only to stretch if i cross one leg over the other, and pull my knee into my chest. otheriwse i can't get at it. it's also fantastically difficult to self massage, being both deep and at an awkward angle to get at. and being so deep, it's impervious to heat or cold, or at least i'm fairly certain. hot showers and cold weather seem to affect it none. its location also makes me remarkably hesitant to apply either icy hot or jr watkins' apothecary liniment, or any other such products, not that i think they'd be effective.

i'm also fairly convinced that not only does running piss it off, but that sitting probably is applying pressure in just the wrong way, too.

altogether, i'm flummoxed.

themetfairy
Dec 15 2010 02:48 PM
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Try iboprofen or naproxen sodium. And try the Therma Care heat patches (at worst, they couldn't hurt).

Best of luck healing!

Fman99
Dec 15 2010 08:10 PM
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themetfairy wrote:
metsmarathon wrote:
hmm... same day as nj marathon/long branch half marathon...

it might be time for a new race...

put me down as a strong possibility.


That would be so cool!

And the fundraising obligation for this would be minimal if you join up with Team McGraw. $50 to register, and only $150 beyond that. Definitely consider it - I could use a Blue and Orange compadre in the Sea of Red!


I'll pass... that's a bit pricey and I'm not really into raising money on top of my entrance fees.

Plus, Philly fans, bleh.

I am still interested in maybe getting down to NJ for a race at some point in 2011...

themetfairy
Dec 15 2010 08:20 PM
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Fman99 wrote:
themetfairy wrote:
metsmarathon wrote:
hmm... same day as nj marathon/long branch half marathon...

it might be time for a new race...

put me down as a strong possibility.


That would be so cool!

And the fundraising obligation for this would be minimal if you join up with Team McGraw. $50 to register, and only $150 beyond that. Definitely consider it - I could use a Blue and Orange compadre in the Sea of Red!


I'll pass... that's a bit pricey and I'm not really into raising money on top of my entrance fees.

Plus, Philly fans, bleh.

I am still interested in maybe getting down to NJ for a race at some point in 2011...


You can run the Broad Street Run without joining Team McGraw. I just chose to do it with the team.

And the Mets are in Philly that weekend....

Fman99
Dec 15 2010 08:56 PM
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That does up the temptation level a smidge, but a 10 miler with all of the logistics of long-distance travel, probably a bit optimistic.

More likely that I'd shoot down for a 5k, maybe sack out on someone's couch the night before, run a morning race, and then drive home solo (or maybe just Fboy and I, if there was a CPF family member to keep tabs on him during race time).

themetfairy
Dec 15 2010 09:01 PM
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I'll let you know as the 2011 race schedule is announced.

metsguyinmichigan
Dec 20 2010 11:46 AM
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Help! I need some advice.

My running shoes are shot and my parents gave me a generous gift card to get a new pair for Christmas. They're insisting that I not cheap out on this, and the last pair I bought was in the $60 range, so I can go higher this time.

I have a pair of Asics, and I think they've served me well other than odd blisters at the ends of my toes, which I've never had before.

I do a mixture of treadmill and outdoor running, about seven miles a day.

Is there a particular brand that you guys recommend, or even a particular style that you've had success with? What price range do you guys usually look in?

Thank you very much!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 20 2010 12:47 PM
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I've found Asics 2100 series (I've had 2120s and 2140s ... I think they've already released 2160s by now! have been durable and reliable, although when I go to change 'em out (soon) I might shop around some too.

They go for about 100 a pair.

themetfairy
Dec 20 2010 01:09 PM
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metsguyinmichigan wrote:
Help! I need some advice.

My running shoes are shot and my parents gave me a generous gift card to get a new pair for Christmas. They're insisting that I not cheap out on this, and the last pair I bought was in the $60 range, so I can go higher this time.

I have a pair of Asics, and I think they've served me well other than odd blisters at the ends of my toes, which I've never had before.

I do a mixture of treadmill and outdoor running, about seven miles a day.

Is there a particular brand that you guys recommend, or even a particular style that you've had success with? What price range do you guys usually look in?

Thank you very much!


michigan - I'll tell you what I always tell people. You need to go to a good running store that analyzes your particular stride. I did such an analysis at Road Runner Sports last year - after going through all of the computer analysis, they recommended a few different shoes for me, including the ones that I was currently using. There's value in that, because it confirmed that I was already in appropriate running shoes.

I personally love New Balance because I have a wide foot and they seem to be very well cut for me. But if anything in life is not one-size-fits-all, it's running shoes.

Fman99
Dec 20 2010 07:18 PM
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themetfairy wrote:
metsguyinmichigan wrote:
Help! I need some advice.

My running shoes are shot and my parents gave me a generous gift card to get a new pair for Christmas. They're insisting that I not cheap out on this, and the last pair I bought was in the $60 range, so I can go higher this time.

I have a pair of Asics, and I think they've served me well other than odd blisters at the ends of my toes, which I've never had before.

I do a mixture of treadmill and outdoor running, about seven miles a day.

Is there a particular brand that you guys recommend, or even a particular style that you've had success with? What price range do you guys usually look in?

Thank you very much!


michigan - I'll tell you what I always tell people. You need to go to a good running store that analyzes your particular stride. I did such an analysis at Road Runner Sports last year - after going through all of the computer analysis, they recommended a few different shoes for me, including the ones that I was currently using. There's value in that, because it confirmed that I was already in appropriate running shoes.


Agreed... I went to the local Fleet Feet and got tricked out with these bad boys (Brooks Ravenna Go-2 series). I swear by them.

Chad Ochoseis
Dec 20 2010 07:29 PM
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What TMF and Fman said.

Also, bring your old running shoes with you when you buy the new pair - a good store will be able to get a sense of your running style by looking at the wear patterns.

What price range do you guys usually look in?


$80-$100 is fairly standard. Much cheaper and quality suffers; much more expensive and I think the general consensus is that you're not getting much more value. As far as I know, quality doesn't vary much among the name brands, but fit and feel do vary.

My personal kicks...Nike Pegasus, around $95 (cheaper online, but I prefer buying running shoes from real live people).

themetfairy
Dec 20 2010 08:19 PM
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Once you do find a shoe you like, when you need a replacement I suggest going to Road Runner Sport's website. Join the VIP club for $1.99 - it'll more than pay for itself with your first order. Scope the site out for its semi-regular sales, and the VIP club gets you free shipping on online and telephone orders.

My New Balance 1225's are supposed to be something like $139, but I've gotten them for as low as $71 through Road Runner's sales.

metsmarathon
Dec 20 2010 08:32 PM
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ditto what everyone else is saying.

i live in the asics gel-1100 series. i started wearing them when they were called the gel-126, then all the gel 1000's, and finally they're up to 1160 (or maybe 1170). i've bounced around at times into other brands or models, but i keep coming back to these.

they're a step below the gt-2100's in terms of price and technology, but they just happen to be what works best for me.

will they be the best option for you? maybe. but maybe not.

you need to find out the type of shoe you should be wearing, be it neutral, stability, or motion control. it depends on how much you pronate - the inward rolling of the foot. if you over pronate, you'll be best served by a stability shoe, which uses stiffeners to prevent this rolling motion. if you under pronate, you'll be best off with a neutral shoe, which basically stays out of the way. if you really dramatically overpronate, you may need motion control shoes.

how can you tell?

if you have high arches, you'll probably be in a neutral shoe. if you have low arches, you'll probably be in stability shoes. if you have flat feet, chances are, you need motion control shoes. these are really just guidelines, though. my feet are flat as a board, and i'm running in shoes that offer some, but not much, stability.

a good running store should be able to match you up with a few options based on the above, as well as looking at how you run on a treadmill. they'll bring out a few shoes from different brands, and from there, it's a matter of feel.

some running stores may even allow you to use the shoes and if you don't like tehm, return them. others will not return a shoe once its seen pavement.

Fman99
Dec 20 2010 09:36 PM
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The place I go to has a nice little 20 yard stretch of asphalt track on which to test out the footwear. A nice perk.

themetfairy
Dec 25 2010 09:13 AM
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After the Marathon, I had given myself a goal of getting to 1,100 miles for the year. It was ambitious, and I wasn't sure I'd be able to get there.

But I'm stubborn and I'm tenacious. And, as of this morning's 4.5 mile run, I'm up to 1,100 miles for the year.

This is the only year I'm going to track my mileage this way. It's a tedious process, and a lot of times I felt that I was running for the numbers rather than for the joy of being out there. But in the year that I trained for and ran my one and only Marathon, I figured that I'd rack up some impressive numbers. I surprised myself by how many miles I accrued - I didn't think I had it in me.

themetfairy
Dec 27 2010 11:32 AM
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I wanted to re-shoot my Marathon medal in better light. Here's how it came out -

Rockin' Doc
Dec 27 2010 01:02 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Decided to tackle the last goal I had left for this year. I had set the goal of running 7.5 miles in 60 minutes or less. I had no0t run for more than 50 minutes until going for the hour run this afternoon. I decided to skip my usual weight lifting session prior to running in hopes of conserving a little energy. I had already shoveled our 2 car driveway earlier in the morning so I felt i had expended more energy than i wished. I took out fast and did the first mile in 7:37 and hit the 5K mark at 23:45. I felt like if I could run the second 5K in 24:00 I would be able to make my target of 7.5 miles without too much difficulty. I hit the 10K mark at 47.22 so I quickly realized I was ahead of my desired pace. I really started to tire at around the 52 minute mark. I was now in uncharted waters for me as I had never run so long or so far before. I gained encouragement when I hit the final 3 minutes and I realized i was almost through. I kicked it in and picked up the pace with the end so near in sight. I finished with 7.88 miles in 60 minutes.
I was really tired and vowed I would never run any longer than an hour in my life. By the time I got home and had time to think I found myself thinking that 8 miles was a nice round number and is a distance I should shoot for in the coming year. Though I believe I would likely have to run a little more than an hour to hit the 8 mile mark, but it may be possible to do it in an hour if I trained with that goal in mind. I'll need to think a while before I set my running goals for 2011.

themetfairy
Dec 27 2010 01:06 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Rockin' Doc wrote:
Decided to tackle the last goal I had left for this year. I had set the goal of running 7.5 miles in 60 minutes or less. I had no0t run for more than 50 minutes until going for the hour run this afternoon. I decided to skip my usual weight lifting session prior to running in hopes of conserving a little energy. I had already shoveled our 2 car driveway earlier in the morning so I felt i had expended more energy than i wished. I took out fast and did the first mile in 7:37 and hit the 5K mark at 23:45. I felt like if I could run the second 5K in 24:00 I would be able to make my target of 7.5 miles without too much difficulty. I hit the 10K mark at 47.22 so I quickly realized I was ahead of my desired pace. I really started to tire at around the 52 minute mark. I was now in uncharted waters for me as I had never run so long or so far before. I gained encouragement when I hit the final 3 minutes and I realized i was almost through. I kicked it in and picked up the pace with the end so near in sight. I finished with 7.88 miles in 60 minutes.
I was really tired and vowed I would never run any longer than an hour in my life. By the time I got home and had time to think I found myself thinking that 8 miles was a nice round number and is a distance I should shoot for in the coming year. Though I believe I would likely have to run a little more than an hour to hit the 8 mile mark, but it may be possible to do it in an hour if I trained with that goal in mind. I'll need to think a while before I set my running goals for 2011.


WTG RD! Many congrats on achieving your goal (and I'm in awe of anyone who can run that fast for that long a time)!

Keep this up and the Siren of the Half Marathon will be singing in your ear in no time ;)

Fman99
Dec 27 2010 01:34 PM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Rockin' Doc wrote:
Decided to tackle the last goal I had left for this year. I had set the goal of running 7.5 miles in 60 minutes or less. I had no0t run for more than 50 minutes until going for the hour run this afternoon. I decided to skip my usual weight lifting session prior to running in hopes of conserving a little energy. I had already shoveled our 2 car driveway earlier in the morning so I felt i had expended more energy than i wished. I took out fast and did the first mile in 7:37 and hit the 5K mark at 23:45. I felt like if I could run the second 5K in 24:00 I would be able to make my target of 7.5 miles without too much difficulty. I hit the 10K mark at 47.22 so I quickly realized I was ahead of my desired pace. I really started to tire at around the 52 minute mark. I was now in uncharted waters for me as I had never run so long or so far before. I gained encouragement when I hit the final 3 minutes and I realized i was almost through. I kicked it in and picked up the pace with the end so near in sight. I finished with 7.88 miles in 60 minutes.
I was really tired and vowed I would never run any longer than an hour in my life. By the time I got home and had time to think I found myself thinking that 8 miles was a nice round number and is a distance I should shoot for in the coming year. Though I believe I would likely have to run a little more than an hour to hit the 8 mile mark, but it may be possible to do it in an hour if I trained with that goal in mind. I'll need to think a while before I set my running goals for 2011.


Congrats Doc! I know how it feels, those numbers just get bigger and bigger in your head. I'm off to the gym myself in a bit.

themetfairy
Dec 30 2010 08:03 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

I put in 5K on the treadmill this morning, to get me to 1.107.2 miles to the year. I like the concept of ending the year at 1107, since 11/7 was the date of the Marathon :)

metsguyinmichigan
Dec 30 2010 08:23 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

Way to go, Doc and Fairy!!

I keep track of my miles each day, but I've never added them up. But I think the max this year was 8.5 -- only about a third of Fairy's big run!


I got my shoes! Mom and Dad gave me a gift card to Dick's. They had the Asics Kayana 16s for $139 on sale down to $99, and I had a $10 coupon. That's far more than I've ever paid for shoes, but, wow, do they feel great when I run.

Thanks for all the advice!

themetfairy
Dec 30 2010 08:31 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

metsguyinmichigan wrote:
Way to go, Doc and Fairy!!

I keep track of my miles each day, but I've never added them up. But I think the max this year was 8.5 -- only about a third of Fairy's big run!


I got my shoes! Mom and Dad gave me a gift card to Dick's. They had the Asics Kayana 16s for $139 on sale down to $99, and I had a $10 coupon. That's far more than I've ever paid for shoes, but, wow, do they feel great when I run.

Thanks for all the advice!



In all fairness, I took walking breaks during the Marathon (I counted that as 16 miles in terms of my running log. I probably ran more than that, but I wanted to err on the side of undercounting my running miles rather than overcounting them). My longest continuous runs were my 20-mile training runs.

Thanks for the kind words, and congrats on getting such a good deal on your new shoes - enjoy them!

Benjamin Grimm
Jan 01 2011 05:19 AM
Re: Running Thread Redux

And now, it's time to close this very large thread so that it can drift off into the archives.