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Edgy DC Nov 13 2007 01:17 PM

Identify a Mets need, pick a team that can fill that need, find an active forum for that team and offer that deal to the fans of that team. Can you find a fan to take that deal? Can you get the majority of any forum to take that deal? (Doubt it.) Would a Twins fan like that Santana/Reyes thingie? What would Ronny Paulino cost us a Pirate forum? How many young outfielders does it take to buy us a Roy Halladay at BlueJayWay.com? Go.

metirish Nov 13 2007 01:27 PM

I'm in like Flynn.

sharpie Nov 13 2007 01:32 PM

I'm waiting for a Twins fan to come here and argue it the other way.

Edgy DC Nov 13 2007 01:40 PM

You've got to be aggressive and take it to them. Report back your findings.

MFS62 Nov 13 2007 05:29 PM

I posted Shoppach (C) and Barfield (2B) to the Mets for Heilman or Pelfrey to the Indians. I'll let you know the reaction. Later

metirish Nov 13 2007 06:11 PM

I did my duty on an A's board regarding Haren and Blanton.

Edgy DC Nov 13 2007 06:28 PM

What are you offering, Omar Minirish?

metirish Nov 13 2007 07:10 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 15 2007 08:04 PM

Here is the thread, don't laugh. [url=http://www.thescoreboards.com/forums/oakland-athletics/49054-possible-tradhtml#post441608]Know What I Mean?[/url]

Edgy DC Nov 13 2007 09:07 PM

Look at you fishing around. Put somebody on the table.

metirish Nov 13 2007 09:11 PM

Problem is I don't think they know the players that might be in any deal, I did get a Mets fan from that board wanting to join here.

Edgy DC Nov 13 2007 09:22 PM

Make your pitch. If they don't know the Mets' players, good. Offer them Scott Schoeneweis.

Nymr83 Nov 13 2007 09:22 PM

metirish wrote: I did get a Mets fan from that board wanting to join here. bonus points.

DocTee Nov 13 2007 09:47 PM

Cool, another Californian. Me, Seo and Spaceman's Bong are taking over.

A Boy Named Seo Nov 14 2007 01:16 AM

w00t.

Edgy DC Nov 14 2007 07:11 AM

Some of our best work comes at 4:16 AM.

metirish Nov 14 2007 07:27 AM

Getting some feedback here, offer made from me. from a mod on that board. ] A lot of people fail to realize that the A's had a 5.04 ERA post all star break. They think pitching is a strength (And it has been for a long time) and assume that trading one or both of these guys is no big deal. Which is why I don't see those trades happening unless it is for high quality prospects that are a couple of years away from the majors. The A's are a Blanton and Haren trade away from a 90+loss season.

Edgy DC Nov 14 2007 07:54 AM

They're playing you hard. But you've got to close a deal. I'm heading out into the Twinsophere, working on a Gomez and Ollie Perez for Santana dealio. I'm willing to switch in Maine for Perez if they prefer. I'm guessing they'll tell me to stick it. But where do I go from there? Other guys I've looked at --- Mark Buerle, Gil Meche --- have no-trade clauses going. Aaron Harang, who has annoying facial hair issues, has one of those backloaded contracts that teams love to try to dump on the Mets, so I'm going after him next. I think the Mets need to stockpile Aarons, but I may end up crawling back to the Twins fans trying to sweeten the deal with an Eddie Kunz or something.

metirish Nov 14 2007 08:28 AM

There certainly is concern about having star players for when they move into the new ball park, seems to be a line of thinking when it comes to trades, I might mention Art Howe very soon.

Fman99 Nov 14 2007 01:41 PM

metirish wrote: There certainly is concern about having star players for when they move into the new ball park, seems to be a line of thinking when it comes to trades, I might mention Art Howe very soon. At least you're battling.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 14 2007 01:56 PM

OK, my dyslexic alter ego has intro'd a Hudson/Montero discussion on a dbagg blog. We shall see what comes of it.

metirish Nov 14 2007 01:58 PM

Excellent, good sport, see if we can get Tony Clark back to sort out the club house.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 14 2007 02:08 PM

I think I can get Montero and Hudson for John Maine. Whaddaya think?

Valadius Nov 14 2007 02:30 PM

Pass. Oh, and ask them what they'd want for Micah Owings. I would LOVE to get Micah Owings.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 14 2007 02:32 PM

F that. I think I'm getting Hudson, Montero and a longshot Class A reliver for Maine and Anderson Hernandez. Fair is fair.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 14 2007 02:35 PM

If we give up Maine we're now looking for two starting pitchers.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 14 2007 02:43 PM

Yeah, well, I didn't trade Pelfrey, Humber Milledge or Gomez, so Edgy can still trade them for Santana, and we can still buy a free agent with the money we're not giving to LoDuca, Castillo and/or Torreabla. I expect to be named Executive of the Year any minute now.

Edgy DC Nov 14 2007 02:47 PM

Dickshot solves second and catcher, then there's worse ideas than opening the season --- again --- with Pelfrey in the rotation, and maybe Humber in the pen.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 14 2007 02:48 PM

Wham. [url]http://mvn.com/mlb-diamondbacks/2007/11/14/bob-melvin-is-honored-too/[/url]

Valadius Nov 14 2007 03:55 PM

I really am jealous of the D-Backs for having Owings. As I've remarked before, he changes the dynamic of every game he pitches. He's like Brooks Kieschnick, except much better and a starting pitcher. He can be a pinch-hitter on his off days.

MFS62 Nov 14 2007 05:26 PM

MFS62 wrote: I posted Shoppach (C) and Barfield (2B) to the Mets for Heilman or Pelfrey to the Indians. I'll let you know the reaction. Later Here's the only response so far. Not a bad analysis. ]Interesting trade suggestion. Mark Shapiro has said he can't imagine an 2008 Indians team without Asdrubal Cabrera a major part, and he's also said Jhonny Peralta is the team's shortstop next year, sp Barfie;d is expendable to the Tribe and good trade bait. Shoppach is the back-up catcher and Victor Martinez's improvement behind the plate this past year means Shoppach will continue to be a back-up as long as he's with the Tribe. But he could very well start for other teams and is quite capable of hitting 20+ homers a season if he starts. So, from the Indians standpoint, both players should be trade bait. However, I'm not sure if Heilman and Pelfrey address any of the Tribe's needs. The Indians already have a log jam at starting pitcher. By picking up Byrd's option recently, the Tribe only has one spot for Cliff Lee, Sowers and Aaron Laffey to fill. Acquiring Pelfrey only complicates that situation, unless of course the Indians could (as suggested) package Lee and Sowers in deal for Miguel Cabrera. Or maybe Pelfrey would be part of that deal. Heilman would be a help in the bullpen, but he's not someone they desparately need. Perhaps acquiring Pelfrey to be used in another trade makes the most sense for the Indians. Later

metirish Nov 14 2007 06:18 PM

Val , please tell me all about Owings and why you are so enamored with him.

Valadius Nov 14 2007 07:33 PM

[url=http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owingmi01.shtml]Micah Owings[/url] is unlike probably any pitcher in baseball in that he hits so well that you'd consider batting him in the heart of the order. He's 24 years old, and he's only going to get better. He went 8-8 with a 4.30 ERA, 106 K against 50 BB in 152 2/3 innings. It wouldn't be a stretch to think that he might achieve a 3.80 ERA or something next season, possibly win 13 or 14 games. He also threw 2 complete games, including a shutout. We could use more of those. Then we come to his hitting. As a freaking rookie, he won the NL Silver Slugger for pitchers. He batted .333 with 4 homers in only 60 at-bats. He also had 7 doubles and a triple. He had 15 RBI. His OPS was 1.033! It's hard to believe that he's a pitcher! He has the offensive credentials to pinch-hit on his off-days and DH when we play interleague. Because he fills all these roles, it allows us to essentially carry an extra player. And again - he's only 24, and he'll only get better!

seawolf17 Nov 15 2007 01:39 PM

Which is exactly why the D'Backs have very little reason to give him up. I can't get excited over a pitchers' hitting stats; you're talking about such a small sample size. I know Owings has certainly shown you something in his limited time, but to quote the Mad Dog, "let's not get crazy here, huh?"

Centerfield Nov 15 2007 02:38 PM

Sign me up for package #2 right now: http://www.twinkietown.com/story/2007/11/15/05511/474

Valadius Nov 15 2007 02:44 PM

Seriously, are they absolutely insane? The best third baseman in the NL and possible MVP AND the best prospect in the system? Wright > Santana. Sorry, Twins fans. And there's no way we'd ever trade Pedro, even if it made sense.

Rockin' Doc Nov 15 2007 05:37 PM

I'm with CF. If the Mets were pretty confident in signing Santana to a longterm extension, I would readily give them Milledge, Gomez, and their choice of either Pelfrey or Humber.

TransMonk Nov 15 2007 06:36 PM

I'm getting ready to tackle the Brewer's board over the weekend. I'm planning on inquiring about Sheets. Any of their other [url=http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/MIL/2007_orgbat.shtml] batters[/url] or [url=http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/MIL/2007_orgpit.shtml] pitchers[/url] intrigue anyone?

DocTee Nov 15 2007 06:41 PM

Richie Weeks.

smg58 Nov 15 2007 07:02 PM

Centerfield wrote: Sign me up for package #2 right now: http://www.twinkietown.com/story/2007/11/15/05511/474 I'd haggle to Deolis Guerra in place of Milledge. They're already taking two of our young outfielders. But I'm impressed that we're in the same ballpark to start with (no pun intended).

Valadius Nov 15 2007 07:42 PM

Yovani Gallardo.

TransMonk Nov 15 2007 08:05 PM

DocTee wrote: Richie Weeks. Really? ="Valadius"]Yovani Gallardo. I'd bet he's quite untouchable. The way I see the problem is a lot of what we have to offer is very similar to what Milwaukee already has. I figured I could pry away Sheets because he is in his walk year and may look for more money than the Brewers are willing to pay in '09.

DocTee Nov 15 2007 08:45 PM

Weeks was farmed out last year if I remember, and may just need a change of scenery. Maybe he just needs to be around a winner like WWSB. If Castillo cannot be resigned, he'd be as good a target as any other, I would imagine, and is preferable to Josh Barfield, IMHO.

Valadius Nov 15 2007 08:49 PM

We really need to figure out what we're doing at second base, as Castillo's already been offered a deal by Houston, as reported by the Houston Chronicle.

seawolf17 Nov 15 2007 09:24 PM

Valadius! Stop trying to get "future ace" minor league pitchers from other teams. It's not happening.

Valadius Nov 16 2007 12:39 AM

LOL. It has been speculated that we may be in the running for Erik Bedard, should the Orioles fail to sign him to an extension. Looks like they could use an outfielder - maybe offer Milledge and Humber as a starting point?

smg58 Nov 16 2007 06:38 AM

Sheets I think is a good bet to be on the market; given his injury record and all the young talent the Brewers have, they have valid reasons to save their money for other guys on the team. The Orioles have money, and Bedard is two years away from free agency. I would think the O's would give themselves at least a year to tie him down, and I just can't see a pitcher turning down a fair contract offer more than a year before he could talk with anybody else. I'd be surprised and a little bit puzzled if they offer him up, but duh I'd be interested if they do. Likewise I think the Padres would give themselves at least a year to sign Peavy before putting him on the market, and they have the added disincentive of being legit contenders.

TransMonk Nov 18 2007 10:44 AM

Contact with the Brewers has been made. http://brewersfandemonium.yuku.com/topic/9357

Frayed Knot Nov 18 2007 11:39 AM

]The way I see the problem is a lot of what we have to offer is very similar to what Milwaukee already has. I figured I could pry away Sheets because he is in his walk year and may look for more money than the Brewers are willing to pay in '09. Milwaukee could use a real CFer IMO. They used Bill Hall out there last year after Hardy moved him off of SS. He's one of those good all-around athletes they hoped could man the position while keeping his bat in the lineup, but that's a tough position to fake and I think most Brew-fans would admit he was lacking out there at times. What that implies is that maybe they could be tempted with either Gomez or Milledge (not that either of them are proven gloves either - but they're at least promising) for either pitching, or maybe Weeks, or even Hall himself. Hall played SS for a while so shirley he could give 2B a go. Gallardo is, of course, not someone they're even going to discuss.

A Boy Named Seo Nov 18 2007 11:55 AM

I love Weeks, but he was kicking all kinds off ass at the end of the year when he came back from the minors. He's too young and too talented for them to let go of, I'd bet. What about Bill Hall? Reasons why we might: -He's played some second base (though not particularly well) and can play the OF/SS/3B in a pinch. -He's in the second year of 4-year/$24M deal, with the expensive years coming up (08:$4.8M, 09:$6.8M, 10:$8.4M, 11:$9.25M club option/$0.5M buyout). -He'll be 28 this year. Reasons why they might: -Sub-par year in '07 offensively, might not be worth the money remaining. -Struggled defensively in CF and they're good at 3B, 2B, and SS, with Braun, Weeks, and Hardy.

Valadius Nov 18 2007 01:48 PM

Contact made with an Orioles forum: [url]http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=251&f=2023#s=251&f=2023&t=1417745&p=3[/url] I'm trying to see if we can get Erik Bedard.

A Boy Named Seo Nov 18 2007 02:15 PM

I took Vic's Shoppach/Barfield deal to an [url=http://indians247.com/index.php?topic=1246.0]Indians site[/url] and peddled it. There was already some Cliff Lee and Kelly Shoppach to the Mets talk there, so I foresee some hot and fast action.

MFS62 Nov 18 2007 02:34 PM

A Boy Named Seo wrote: I took Vic's Shoppach/Barfield deal to an [url=http://indians247.com/index.php?topic=1246.0]Indians site[/url] and peddled it. There was already some Cliff Lee and Kelly Shoppach to the Mets talk there, so I foresee some hot and fast action. Ahem. Later

A Boy Named Seo Nov 18 2007 02:48 PM

Two things. First, you got just one response and it was luke-warm at best. This trade needs life breathed into it NOW!!! And second, I forgot you already did it.

smg58 Nov 18 2007 06:14 PM

I know Ryan Garko hasn't caught for two years, but why don't you ask about him while you're at it? I was really impressed with the at-bats of his I saw in the ALCS.

smg58 Nov 18 2007 06:38 PM

I found a Mariners forum to ask about Ken Johjima or prospect Jeff Clement. The link is [url]http://www.lookoutlanding.com/story/2007/11/18/20373/560[/url].

smg58 Nov 18 2007 07:51 PM

The Mariners' biggest need appears to be major league starting pitching. Johjima for Maine or Perez might be reasonable if we had pitching to spare.

TransMonk Nov 19 2007 02:12 PM

Well, in Milwaukee I offered: Milledge/Humber for Sheets Pelfrey/Gomez for Sheets Humber/Gomez for Sheets The early response is Sheets/Turnbow for Milledge/Heilman. Any thoughts?

Edgy DC Nov 19 2007 02:16 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 20 2007 08:56 AM

Has opionion soured on Turnbow? He seems pretty comparable to Heilman --- in terms of service as well as ability. He puts up low BAAs, but could stand to walk fewer guys. He looks like he's stoned 100% of the time.

Edgy DC Nov 19 2007 02:17 PM

I just like to look at the ball and just say, "Hey Bud, let's party!"

Valadius Nov 19 2007 02:26 PM

He was the first major leaguer ever to test positive for steroids. He's also had major control issues for the last season and a half or so.

Nymr83 Nov 19 2007 02:29 PM

]The early response is Sheets/Turnbow for Milledge/Heilman. in a heartbeat.

TransMonk Nov 19 2007 02:30 PM

My impression of Turnbow is that when he's on he's money. But when he's not, he is downright unwatchable. They usually come in streaks and he is definitely more on than he's not. From a Mets point of view if he were to hit one of those streaks of 6 - 10 appearances in a row where he struggles it could get ugly...especially if Mota and Shoeneweis weren't able to pick up the slack. A move like this would increase my desire to move Pelfrey to the pen for a year where I think he would be pretty good one inning at a time.

HahnSolo Nov 20 2007 08:48 AM

Edgy DC wrote: I just like to look at the ball and just say, "Hey Bud, let's party!" Move over, Duaner. Here's a prime candidate for the Tug McGraw Memorial Goofy Reliever roster spot.

smg58 Nov 20 2007 10:18 AM

Turnbow is trouble. The Mets can't afford another implosion waiting to happen in the pen. Especially if 140 IP is the most Sheets can give you.

Valadius Nov 20 2007 10:20 AM

I can think of a couple of reasons to avoid Turnbow at all costs - Guillermo Mota and Danny Graves.

Edgy DC Nov 20 2007 10:21 AM

Well, all relievers can be compared to all other relievers, but life is fraught with peril. I don't want him either, but nobody's risk-free.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 20 2007 10:23 AM

Has anybody closed a deal yet?

Valadius Nov 20 2007 10:32 AM

The Orioles board seems more entranced by the Dodgers, but I did get this reply: ]Bedard would probably cost the Mets Fernando Martinez, Carlos Gomez and Philip Humber (or Mike Pelfrey), or any combination of 3 of those 4 guys. Or if the Mets didn't want to give up that much in the way of Major League ready players, then perhaps the O's could send Bedard and Daniel Cabrera to the Mets for Fernando Martinez, Humber (or Pelfrey), Deolis Guerra (or Dylan Owen) and John Maine. The second proposal seems way more outlandish than the first. Cabrera's a nut case.

Edgy DC Nov 20 2007 10:33 AM

Any deal closed at TrueBrew.com or AstroPlace.net needs to be put to a vote by the 'Pool to be closed.

A Boy Named Seo Nov 20 2007 12:35 PM

I've got one dude into Kelly Shoppach/Cliff Lee for Milledge/Humber, but I think Milledge has been traded like 11 times in this thread alone and we might need him in right/left field. Maybe Shin-Soo Choo can be had.

attgig Nov 20 2007 01:32 PM

supposedly, Brewers are thinking about signing kendall and trading estrada.

Valadius Nov 20 2007 01:39 PM

I'd consider Estrada, but I'd be cautious.

Edgy DC Nov 20 2007 01:41 PM

Lefty catchers rule.

metirish Nov 20 2007 01:44 PM

Valadium wrote: I'd consider Estrada, but I'd be cautious. Did you hear some gossip on him or what?

Benjamin Grimm Nov 20 2007 01:45 PM

He likes to cavort with Steve Rogers at 2 a.m.

Valadius Nov 20 2007 01:49 PM

It's just that he's apparently forgotten how to draw a walk. He had only 12 walks last season, and 13 the year before that. His OBP last year was .296, despite a .278 BA. And he's gonna be 32 next year.

A Boy Named Seo Nov 20 2007 02:16 PM

JD ([url=http://mvn.com/mlb-diamondbacks/2007/11/14/bob-melvin-is-honored-too/]Dbags[/url]): Hudson, Montero, Craig Pfautz // Maine, Andy Handy ACCEPTED MFS (Indians): Shoppach (C), Barfield (2B) // Heilman or Pelfrey Irish ([url=http://www.thescoreboards.com/forums/oakland-athletics/49054-possible-tradhtml#post441608]A's[/url], link isn't working): ??? Edgy (Twins): ??? Monk ([url=http://brewersfandemonium.yuku.com/topic/9357]Brewers[/url]): Sheets (SP), Turnbow (RP) // Milledge, Heilman Valadius ([url=http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=251&f=2023#s=251&f=2023&t=1417745&p=3]Orioles[/url]): Bedard (SP) // Fernando Martinez, Carlos Gomez, Humber Seo ([url=http://indians247.com/index.php?topic=1246.0]Indians [/url]again): Shoppach (C), Cliff Lee (SP) // Milledge, Pelfrey smg ([url=http://www.lookoutlanding.com/story/2007/11/18/20373/560]Mariners[/url]): Jojima (C) for ??? (that board has a strange, hard-to-read layout and devolved into Larry Craig jokes, WATP's involving David Wright, and beer and pizza talk). --- The best one on the table, I think, is Monk's. Sheets would replace John Maine from Dickshot's deal and Turnbow replaces Heilman. I think we're short an outfielder still and we kind of have two second baseman now.

Edgy DC Nov 20 2007 02:23 PM

Is there a consensus of Diamondbackers accepting JD's offer or did he just find a rogue? I thought he was making a counter-offer. If it's really on the table, we should poll on it.

metirish Nov 20 2007 02:25 PM

I broke the link to that board and thread , I was accused of spamming so I said feck it they can keep it.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 20 2007 02:27 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Is there a consensus of Diamondbackers accepting JD's offer or did he just find a rogue? I thought he was making a counter-offer. If it's really on the table, we should poll on it. It's a little late now that we have a 2b and C. But it was a brilliant deal nonetheless.

Edgy DC Nov 20 2007 02:36 PM

Well, we can poll on it from the pre-Castrotillo point of view.

A Boy Named Seo Nov 20 2007 03:28 PM

I'd hate to yank Lunchbucket's GM of the Year trophy before he even had a place for it on the mantle, but I'd vote no on his Maine for Hudson, Montero deal. Nice to have those guys, but Martinez, El Duque, Perez, and Pelfrey, Sosa, Humber, whoever doesn't look so hot. And Milledge seems to be offered alot, but with no Green, half an Alou, and the lefty Endy, I think we'll really need Lastings this year.

Valadius Nov 20 2007 03:39 PM

Yeah, I'd really prefer to keep both Maine and Perez. If we were to add someone like Bedard or Santana, a 1-2-3 of those three in the long term would be really formidable. Then assume that two of Generation K 2.0 (Pelfrey/Humber/Mulvey) pan out, and we've got a sweet rotation, long term.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 21 2007 01:05 PM

Endy Chavez for Laird getting a lukewarn reception in Ranger Nation. Yet they want Coco Crisp They're under the impression Phil Humber is a fair exchange.

willpie Nov 21 2007 01:37 PM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: They're under the impression Phil Humber is a fair exchange. Heh.

soupcan Nov 21 2007 03:09 PM

Valadius wrote: Then assume that two of Generation K 2.0 (Pelfrey/Humber/Mulvey) pan out, and we've got a sweet rotation, long term. Nice plan, but it never works out that way.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 21 2007 03:09 PM

I think it's been established that Guillermo Mota would have been a fair exchange for Laird. (Unless someone can make a convincing argument that Laird is considerably better than Estrada.)