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Mex17
Nov 18 2007 07:23 PM

4 years/$25 million as per Ken Rosenthal, Rotoworld, and some Spanish website.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 18 2007 07:28 PM

With the Mets?

Um.

metirish
Nov 18 2007 07:38 PM

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Sources: Mets close to re-signing Castillo

Ken Rosenthal
FOXSports.com, Updated 31 minutes ago


The Mets, overcoming stiff competition, are close to re-signing free-agent second baseman Luis Castillo to a four-year, $25 million contract, according to major-league sources.

The deal, the Mets' first major move of the off-season, would resolve the team's opening at second base at a time when they are unsettled at catcher and on the verge of losing left-hander Tom Glavine to the Braves.
The Astros, Nationals and Cubs all had expressed interest in Castillo, whom the Mets acquired from the Twins for two minor leaguers last July 30.

Mets officials last week met with free-agent shortstop David Eckstein, who played second base in the minors with the Red Sox's organization. But Castillo, 32, was their first choice.

A four-year contract for Castillo amounts to a risk, considering that he has battled leg problems over the past several seasons. But when healthy, Castillo is a dynamic top-of-the-order presence.

The Mets are not oblivious to medical concerns — they ended negotiations with free-agent catcher Yorvit Torrealba over the weekend, apparently because of questions about the condition of his right shoulder.

The Rockies are considering re-signing Torrealba to a two-year deal. The Mets likely will revisit other options at catcher, including a possible trade for the Orioles' Ramon Hernandez and Rangers' Gerald Laird.


Castillo had a .296 batting average and .371 on-base percentage in 50 games with the Mets last season. A three-time All-Star, he began his career with the Marlins before getting traded to the Twins after the 2005 season and the Mets last summer.



Nymr83
Nov 18 2007 07:40 PM

i dont like it. this guy is rapidly degenerating, by the end of this contract he'll be a huge liability. a contract like this also takes ABs away from Easley and Gotay, because lets face it, they arent benching the guy with a 4 year deal no matter who is hitting better.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 18 2007 08:02 PM

Well, it's not like Easley had expectations of starts to begin with. He's there to hit the other team's lefthanded relievers and fill in whhen needed.

Gotay as long as the Mets don't believe in his glove is either a nice spot starter or, better, trade bait.

Four years is prolly four times what I'd like to have Castillo locked up for. The money ain't great but not like there's going to be takers by year 2.5.

Eh.

Valadius
Nov 18 2007 08:06 PM

I would have liked this before I found out that Castillo was a bad influence on Reyes. My dad has a good source who told him that Castillo parties way too much, and stays out really late, and that Reyes went out with him nearly every night after Castillo was traded here.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 18 2007 08:07 PM

Perhaps he can get Johan Santana laid.

Frayed Knot
Nov 18 2007 08:19 PM

At least twice as long as I would have preferred - but whatyagointodo?

Edgy DC
Nov 18 2007 08:56 PM

Here in the post-Torrealba era, I'd like to see a thread title in the same tense as the article being referenced.

A Boy Named Seo
Nov 18 2007 10:23 PM

I kinda grew fond of Castillo. He looked like he absolutely hated losing and that's sadly not based on a small sample size. I kept waiting for his broken body to just go poof and for him to implode into a pile of dust, but writhing in pain, or just kinda hurting, he always busted down the line and hung in on DP's and made some nice plays in the field. His legs scare me, because if they go for good, there's not much left. 4 years is a long time.

Woulda been neat to see Hudson, Weeks, Barfield, or some other younger, less decrepit second baseman be imported. But if it's Luis, then rest your legs, man. Please.

Elster88
Nov 19 2007 05:42 AM

Valadius wrote:
My dad has a good source

His hairdresser's cousin?

] who told him that Castillo parties way too much, and stays out really late, and that Reyes went out with him nearly every night after Castillo was traded here


Now there's a real shocker. Professional athletes out partying, who could've figured?

Elster88
Nov 19 2007 05:43 AM

="A Boy Named Seo"]I kinda grew fond of Castillo. He looked like he absolutely hated losing and that's sadly not based on a small sample size. I kept waiting for his broken body to just go poof and for him to implode into a pile of dust, but writhing in pain, or just kinda hurting, he always busted down the line and hung in on DP's and made some nice plays in the field. His legs scare me, because if they go for good, there's not much left. 4 years is a long time.


Me too. It hurt just to watch him hobble around last year. The four years scares me too. Hopefully when he becomes ineffective we can buy him out or something. Or just cut him and take the hit.

seawolf17
Nov 19 2007 07:51 AM

Four years, $25 million is reasonable enough that he'll be cuttable in two years if they don't get what they need out of him. I like the deal.

Welcome back, Luis.

smg58
Nov 19 2007 08:00 AM

Don't like the years, but that's not a bad amount of money per year. Hopefully he can stay healthy.

Frayed Knot
Nov 19 2007 08:15 AM

Health is part of it - although he already had a procedure to fix whatever was bothering him with his knees and maybe getting off the Minny turf helps too - but I'm at least as worried about the fact that he really isn't all that good. The per/year money is probably about what he deserves, but he's still essentially the worst slugger in the league and has only decent (tho hardly great) BA/OBA numbers in recent seasons. If his singles/on base skills dip down just another few clicks toward mediocre then he becomes decidedly sub-par, heading for mid-30s, MI-er w/NO power and declining speed with several years left on a contract that probably can't be traded for much.

Granted that some of the above is worst-case scenario - but I don't think it's all that far-fetched.
Met fans & media types seem to be mostly A-OK with this deal while downright giddy about the one for Torreabla falling through (even before the shoulder questions) but there are also fewer other options at catcher than there are at 2B.

Elster88
Nov 19 2007 12:05 PM

seawolf17 wrote:
Four years, $25 million is reasonable enough that he'll be cuttable in two years if they don't get what they need out of him.



Can they cut him in two years with no penalty? I thought the contract was guaranteed even if they cut him.

Benjamin Grimm
Nov 19 2007 12:09 PM

It sounds to me like the contract is guaranteed. (Most are, unless they include the term "option year.") If they cut him after two years, they'd have to eat years three and four.

More likely if the Mets decide to go with someone else, they'd trade Castillo and eat a portion of his salary.

Frayed Knot
Nov 19 2007 12:14 PM

I think what he means is that two years of the contract will be eat-able if he sucks half way through - although $12+ mil is a helluva big lunch.

btw, Mets are still saying that this is NOT a done deal.

Benjamin Grimm
Nov 19 2007 12:21 PM

Well, yeah, but they also said the same thing about Yorvit...

Valadius
Nov 19 2007 12:54 PM

I can't remember who the source was. My dad can't remember either, other than he thinks it was someone close to Willie. However, I faintly recall him saying something about a bouncer at some club. So I dunno. All I know is, he's certain that it was somebody in the know.

smg58
Nov 19 2007 01:01 PM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Well, it's not like Easley had expectations of starts to begin with. He's there to hit the other team's lefthanded relievers and fill in whhen needed.

Gotay as long as the Mets don't believe in his glove is either a nice spot starter or, better, trade bait.


Anderson could fill Gotay's role in the infield, and reserve outfielders who can hit decently aren't terribly hard to come by. I'd be curious to see what Gotay's market value is. Somebody looking for a cheap plug-in against righties would find him useful.

metirish
Nov 19 2007 01:03 PM

Valadius wrote:
I can't remember who the source was. My dad can't remember either, other than he thinks it was someone close to Willie. However, I faintly recall him saying something about a bouncer at some club. So I dunno. All I know is, he's certain that it was somebody in the know.


Must be the bouncer that told about his hard partying ways.

Nymr83
Nov 19 2007 01:05 PM

even though i hate giving him 4 years there is a plus side to this- no david eckstein.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 19 2007 01:24 PM

Yeah, right or wrong I kinda prefer Castillo to Eckstein. I would be thrilled to se Castillo arrive at camp without a spare tire. I mean, that's my goal too.

Benjamin Grimm
Nov 19 2007 05:50 PM

It's official:

Mets press release wrote:
The New York Mets announced today that they have re-signed free agent infielder Luis Castillo to a four-year contract. Castillo will team up with the Mets Foundation to donate a portion of the contract to charities.

Edgy DC
Nov 19 2007 07:54 PM

HE BETTER!

SteveJRogers
Nov 19 2007 08:07 PM

Valadius wrote:
I would have liked this before I found out that Castillo was a bad influence on Reyes. My dad has a good source who told him that Castillo parties way too much, and stays out really late, and that Reyes went out with him nearly every night after Castillo was traded here.


Just to corroborate, remeber he missed Glavine's 300th game, a NIGHT game after a DAY game due to "exhaustion."

Well...I can tell you I saw him the night before the Glavine game, and he certaintly was still up around 2-3am.

seawolf17
Nov 19 2007 08:08 PM

Is Steve Rogers Valadius' dad? Weird.

Edgy DC
Nov 19 2007 08:38 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 19 2007 09:02 PM

Well, first of all, Stevey Scoops, it was Glavine's 300th win, not his 300th game. Second of all, who gives a fig? If he needed a night off, it was as good as any. Third of all, it was clear to anybody watching that his legs needed rest.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 19 2007 08:38 PM

Weird, too that Valadius J. Rogers' dad is out so late partying himself.

Valadius
Nov 19 2007 08:50 PM

Steve, where were you that you saw Castillo?

seawolf17
Nov 19 2007 08:52 PM

You might think that SteveJ is not the partying-with-Luis-Castillo type. But you would be very, very wrong.

Willets Point
Nov 19 2007 08:53 PM

Pity. I had Arod penciled in at 2B.

metirish
Nov 19 2007 08:54 PM

This is hilarious, between watching "talk soup " and reading this I am laughing so hard.

Edgy DC
Nov 19 2007 09:03 PM

If I remember correctly, Steve got his ass bounced that night.

Elster88
Nov 19 2007 10:01 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 19 2007 10:05 PM

Valadius wrote:
I can't remember who the source was. My dad can't remember either, other than he thinks it was someone close to Willie. However, I faintly recall him saying something about a bouncer at some club. So I dunno. All I know is, he's certain that it was somebody in the know.


A bouncer at a club is someone in the know? If so, it is hard to take seriously anything you credit to "inside sources".

Elster88
Nov 19 2007 10:02 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
If I remember correctly, Steve got his ass bounced that night.


NTTAWWT

Elster88
Nov 19 2007 10:25 PM

SteveJRogers wrote:
="Valadius"]I would have liked this before I found out that Castillo was a bad influence on Reyes. My dad has a good source who told him that Castillo parties way too much, and stays out really late, and that Reyes went out with him nearly every night after Castillo was traded here.


Just to corroborate, remeber he missed Glavine's 300th game, a NIGHT game after a DAY game due to "exhaustion."

Well...I can tell you I saw him the night before the Glavine game, and he certaintly was still up around 2-3am.


This is not corroborrating. Reyes was being overworked and needed a day off.

SteveJRogers
Nov 20 2007 09:36 AM

Elster88 wrote:
="SteveJRogers"]
="Valadius"]I would have liked this before I found out that Castillo was a bad influence on Reyes. My dad has a good source who told him that Castillo parties way too much, and stays out really late, and that Reyes went out with him nearly every night after Castillo was traded here.


Just to corroborate, remeber he missed Glavine's 300th game, a NIGHT game after a DAY game due to "exhaustion."

Well...I can tell you I saw him the night before the Glavine game, and he certaintly was still up around 2-3am.


This is not corroborrating. Reyes was being overworked and needed a day off.


You mean Castillo.

Elster88
Nov 20 2007 04:15 PM

No I mean Reyes. Try to keep up.

SteveJRogers
Nov 20 2007 04:23 PM

Castillo was the one who it looked like would miss the start due to "exhaustion", not Reyes, my cousin and I saw him and Ruben Gotay that night at the Mets hotel bar. According to my cousin Castillo left circa 3 with Gotay and Oliver Perez to go back out into the early morning Chicago nightlife.

Elster88
Nov 20 2007 04:28 PM

Either way, it does nothing to corroborate the theory that Castillo corrupted Reyes.

SteveJRogers
Nov 20 2007 04:35 PM

Okay, I see that point.

Edgy DC
Nov 20 2007 06:02 PM

So, Steve, you get your ass bounced, get a Met to stick up for you, and you rat him out, and dog him online?

A Boy Named Seo
Nov 20 2007 06:13 PM

I need to read about Steve's ass getting bounced. Where can I find that thread?

SteveJRogers
Nov 20 2007 07:19 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
So, Steve, you get your ass bounced, get a Met to stick up for you, and you rat him out, and dog him online?


Agreeing that he is a party animal is not "rating him out and dogging" him!

Edgy DC
Nov 20 2007 07:27 PM

Yeah, I'm going to guess that if somebody was suggesting that I wasn't game-ready because of my social life, or that I was corrupting younger players, I was being insulted.

SteveJRogers
Nov 20 2007 07:58 PM

Okay, from the top.

My cousin and I find out what hotel in downtown Chicago the Mets are staying in. We show up about 7:30-8ish, and there isn't a big crowd but Luis Castillo is at the bar nursing a drink. My cousin and I hang with him for a while, and actually end up buying him a beer! I don't know, a welcome to New York kind of thing, funny since the guy still hadn't played a home game yet at Shea!

Anyway he had this hanger on that was pretty much running crowd control and when Luis left momentarily this oily slick fellow told both me and my cousin, well essentially not to be morons and respect the privacy of the players.

Both me and my cousin though are among the LAST people you need to tell that speech though as we've both had multiple professional brushes with greatnesses, so we act normal and treat those with fame like, I don't know, like if we saw KC and Edgy walking by (first two posters that came to mind, sorry guys)

Well anyway, we're hanging around the bar, talking with other fans, we see Ruben Gotay and Mota chill with Castillo and eventually other Mets came rolling in as Saturday turned into Sunday. I noticed the entire Glavine party in the hotel lobby and had to say hello and that I've been a fan of his work since the 1991 World Series!

I got a pic of my cousin with Glavine, sadly I have to convert a 1 second movie clip because apparently Glavine's (I think) brother-in-law can't keep the camera setting on AUTO and moved it to the video setting



Well, anyway, we head back to the bar and Paul Lo Duca was holding court. I ask politely for a photo during the conversation Edgy references up thread, unfortunately my cousin is only slightly better behind a camera than Glavine's in-law (though my cousin was bombed) and this resulted


Great shot of Paul, but horrible shot of the moron in the Blues Brothers shirt. Could there BE any more flash used? And does my cousin know how to use the W/T mechanism?

Anyway, that could be what tipped off the aforementioned Castillo Entourage member because as soon as I got my camera back from my cousin a hotel employee actually escorted me out of the hotel! Didn't even let me tell my cousin I was kicked out! Just tossed me out into the Chicago streets.

So anyway, I wasn't able to plead my case as all I was told was that "The baseball manager said you were harassing the players." Something that could hardly be anywhere near the truth, especially since crowds were starting to gather in the bar and photos were being taken, and as I said, I did ask if they minded having pics taken.

Clearly I was steamed, I didn't act it though, but I calmly said that I wasn't doing a single thing out of line (i.e. interrupting meals and/or conversations, actually being that annoying prick that causes such meetings to be arduous for the famous, ect) and that there were plenty of people in that bar who were doing the same thing. Not to mention I had a friend in there that still didn't know I'd been forcibly removed.

Anyway my cousin finally hears about this, goes outside and asks me what happened. At this point I really just wanted to leave the premises anyway, I had a case, but it was falling on deaf ears, so I hail a cab. This is 1:30 now in Chicago, I get one, my cousin tackles me and tries to get me to calm down since I did not have my cell and I was leaving him alone. I think at that point I was just too wasted, pissed (plus the Mets lost that day) and just wanted to get to the hotel because we had a 4:00 wakeup call to get our plane.

I brush my cousin off and proceed to have a 45 dollar (or whatever it was) cab ride from mid-town Chicago to Rosemont, IL where our hotel was.

Anyway my cousin, understandably pissed at both me and the hotel roars back in, starts to tell off the employees, the Mets (Castillo, Gotay and I think Oliver Perez was there at this point) overhear this, and it was the Entourage wannabe that kicked me out, with zero actual authority!

Interestingly enough in my mind when the hotel employee was telling me that a "baseball manager" kicked me out I wanted to run down names such as Willie, Omar, Charlie Samuels and Jay Horowitz (Does Jay even travel with the team I wonder?), essentially people who actually would probably be in that position, but I figured she wouldn't know those names or people from the average Joe off the street.

Well anyway turns out the guy was trying to become Castillo's publicist and get back into the Mets after the two Carloses had fired him, and this caused Castillo to have it out with him right there! My cousin almost ended up with a free room at the hotel for his trouble, and Castillo invited him to go out into the early morning Chicago night life.

But since he had to find out that I made it safely back to the hotel, he took n 8 buck ride on the L all the way to where we were staying (45 dollars...8 dollars, boy am I wasteful when I'm drunk and pissed) his night was done.

Well thats the story. The lesson I guess is that A) I need to stand up for myself a little better and B) I shouldn't make snap judgments, it would have saved me about 35 freaking dollars!

SteveJRogers
Nov 20 2007 08:09 PM

Probably best shot my cousin took


Me and Gotay, not bad but I still look retarted,


so here is for comparison of camera skills, my cousin and Gotay

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 20 2007 08:12 PM

nobody parties like rogers.

Edgy DC
Nov 20 2007 08:12 PM

"Hi, I'm Annie."
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SteveJRogers
Nov 20 2007 08:17 PM

Interestingly enough, as I was walking towards the Glavine crew my cousin was trying to get my attention because Lastings Milledge was in the area, but once he noticed who I was going towards he realized that I would rather say hello to a future HOFer than someone who still hasn't played a full season in the bigs!

A Boy Named Seo
Nov 21 2007 12:34 AM

The guy in the yellow shirt looks pissed, Rogers. Bet he's the one that got you run.



BTW- your Gotay doesn't look like the one I remember. Who is that guy?

Valadius
Nov 21 2007 12:47 AM

Yeah - that's not Gotay. Whoever that is is too young and his nose is smaller.

Kid Carsey
Nov 21 2007 05:04 AM

This thread has taken a turn to giving me the heebeegeebees.

HahnSolo
Nov 21 2007 06:52 AM

That looks like a younger Rickey Ledee.

Was your cousin standing 8 inches from you when he took his photos?

seawolf17
Nov 21 2007 07:07 AM

Every couple of weeks, we get one of these 'best thread ever' moments. This is indubitably one of those moments.

Edgy DC
Nov 21 2007 07:26 AM

Gotay has been going hard on the botox.

Valadius
Nov 21 2007 08:04 AM

I think it's Carlos Gomez.

seawolf17
Nov 21 2007 08:14 AM

I think Val's right. In Seo's post, top is Gomez, bottom is Gotay.

HahnSolo
Nov 21 2007 09:36 AM

Doesn't look like Gomez to me.
Wasn't he on the DL at this point? Would he have even been traveling with the Mets?

Benjamin Grimm
Nov 21 2007 09:46 AM

I don't even know where to begin!

Somebody's had so many brushes with greatness that he's unaffected by them is seeking out the place where the players hang out.

He's feels he's being totally cool, but someone complains about him and he's singled out for ejection.

After he's ejected, his cousin tackles him on a Chicago sidewalk.

I guess you "had to be there" but I'm glad I wasn't!

sharpie
Nov 21 2007 09:52 AM

Greatness, in this case, equals Ruben Gotay and Carlos Gomez.

soupcan
Nov 21 2007 09:53 AM

SteveJStalker.

Centerfield
Nov 21 2007 09:58 AM

seawolf17 wrote:
Every couple of weeks, we get one of these 'best thread ever' moments. This is indubitably one of those moments.


Absolutely. It's going to be hard to top "Rogers Parties with the Mets in Chicago and Then Gets Thrown Out and Tackled by his Cousin."

seawolf17
Nov 21 2007 10:03 AM

Centerfield wrote:
="seawolf17"]Every couple of weeks, we get one of these 'best thread ever' moments. This is indubitably one of those moments.


Absolutely. It's going to be hard to top "Rogers Parties with the Mets in Chicago and Then Gets Thrown Out and Tackled by his Cousin."


Which would be a great title for an old Waylon Jennings tune.

Benjamin Grimm
Nov 21 2007 11:16 AM

I like how the lesson that Steve draws from this is, essentially, that it's cheaper to take a subway than to take a cab.