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Memories of Tom Glavine

Elster88 Nov 19 2007 02:05 PM

I woulda liked to have him and his 200 innings of league average pitching back.

Edgy DC Nov 19 2007 02:13 PM

Mrs. G. brought no shame to Wifey Watch.

metirish Nov 19 2007 02:23 PM

His first season start against the Cubs and his last season start against the Marlins, I had expected so much in both. The road to 300 and the fact that he was a decent guy.

Frayed Knot Nov 19 2007 02:28 PM

I think that Glavine, like a lot of imported players who came over to mixed (at best) reactions, was not nearly as good as we hoped but overall wasn't as bad as many will portray. The bad first and last impressions don't help either.

metirish Nov 19 2007 02:31 PM

The fist pump, I think against the Yankees, anyone remember what I am talking about?

Kid Carsey Nov 19 2007 02:32 PM

That last start as a Met still makes me ill to think about. Doesn't really feel like he was a Met for five whole years, where does the time go? I'm glad my team ain't paying him 8 million guaranteed and hope he gets a good pasting his first visit to Shea.

Nymr83 Nov 19 2007 02:32 PM

Glavine blew the biggest game of the year, and he didn't even give the team a shot to win it. I know you all remember that now, but let anyone who stumbles onto "memories of tom glavine" in the archives ten years from now and reads nice rosie things about him remember that in the biggest game the mets played he couldnt get out of the 1st inning.

Valadius Nov 19 2007 02:35 PM

The first player ever to reach one of the three elite clubs - 3,000 hits, 500 home runs, 300 wins - in a Mets uniform.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 19 2007 02:36 PM

His signing was like receiving a pair pf sdocks at Christmas. I mean, sure you could always use 'em but you didn't really ask for 'em. I mean, a veteran pitcher with a HoF career in another organizartion was about the last thing the 2003 Mets needed to be spending money on. He of course went out and ruined opening day, then had, it seemed like, dozens of games where the offense or the bullpen couldn't support him. All of this was foreseeable. The Mets for whatever reason, seemed acutely reverential around Glavine, again, almost unnecessarily so, culminating in that nice but creepy over the top Showcase giveaway honoring the 20some percent of Glavine's 300 wins that came as a Met. Hooray for Tom and his round numbers. At least until that big studid celebration, Glavine seemed to have grown more comfortable as a Met and without a doubt was a strong contributor to their recent success. Then he went and peed so much of it all away again, humiliatingly losing the one game he wasn't under any circumstances allowed to lose, shrugging his shoulders, and taking off again for Atlanta. I wouldn't doubt that 300 golf ball art project is sold at the Glavine's garage sale when they finally pull out of Rye.

Farmer Ted Nov 19 2007 02:44 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 19 2007 02:52 PM

A fantastic #3 pitcher thrust into a #1 role and couldn't do it. Back to Atlanta to hide behind Smoltz, Hudson, and maybe Dolphin Face.

Edgy DC Nov 19 2007 02:49 PM

He and Hampton occupy a similar psychic space by showing up, crapping out in their very first game, and never being fully trusted by Mets fans whether they did well or ill.

Centerfield Nov 19 2007 02:52 PM

I'm thankful for two performances, Game 1 of the NLCS last year, and his gem on Ralph Kiner night, my son's first trip to Shea. He was fantastic. But during his entire time in NY, you never got the feeling he was completely sold on being here. And there were many times he made it clear how much he missed Atlanta. If Tom Glavine were a girlfriend, he is the girlfriend you would find googling an ex-boyfriend online. The ex-boyfriend who is also your sworn enemy. And now that Tom has gone back to his ex-boyfriend, it confirms all of those suspicions. Sucked in the beginning, sucked in the end, sucked a lot of times in-between making him a minor disappointment overall.

Elster88 Nov 19 2007 02:56 PM

LOL CF

soupcan Nov 19 2007 03:00 PM

Getting his faced smashed in when his taxi crashed. Oh, well. Sorry about that. Buh-bye.

G-Fafif Nov 19 2007 04:05 PM

Despite my massive distaste for him, I will remember that he got screwed out of not a few winning decisions by his bullpen, which must have been agonizing for him seeing as how his whole purpose in pitching was wrapped up in the individual glory of 300. A two-time Met All-Star, though probably the most hollow two-time Met All-Star in team history. That near no-hitter against the Rockies in '04 when I actually debated whether I wanted it to be him.

G-Fafif Nov 19 2007 04:09 PM

Edgy DC wrote: He and Hampton occupy a similar psychic space by showing up, crapping out in their very first game, and never being fully trusted by Mets fans whether they did well or ill. Pretty true, but Hampton was burdened by no particular anti-Met history as Glavine had developed as cold-eyed Brave. Plus Hampton clinched us a pennant, which should probably get him off the hook a little more than it does for the school system remark, which was so insipid that I'm surprised A-Rod didn't come up with it first (unless the Arlington Department of Education failed to impress Mr. Rodriguez). At least Hampton's shaky debut came in Japan at five in the morning and no Mets fan had to shiver to witness it.

Iubitul Nov 19 2007 04:51 PM

Two words, thanks to Greg: Manchurian Brave

SteveJRogers Nov 19 2007 08:00 PM

Probably 2nd behind Carter (if you want to consider Carter more an Expo since that is what he's in the Hall as) in terms of productive future HOFers who aren't in as Mets. Ryan was too ineffective to be considered better than what Glavine gave the Mets, and Eddie Murray, Rickey Henderson and Richie Ashburn just plain weren't around for that long despite soild numbers. Though there isn't much of a list with Snider, Mays, Spahn and Berra rounding it out.

metirish Nov 19 2007 08:46 PM

If Glavine is second behind Carter then that would be far, far behind him I would think.

Frayed Knot Nov 19 2007 09:00 PM

Not really. Carter, like Glavine, spent five seasons w/the Mets, but only 3 of his were any good and in his final one he contributed virtually nothing. So if you want to measure the comparitive Met-ness of their careers by the CPF rankings system (and really, why would one use anything else?) Glavine looks like he'll nudge ahead of Carter by several slots.

Edgy DC Nov 19 2007 09:07 PM

Steve meets Tommy the Carter-Eclipser: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7037&view=next&sid=ad18b19d2f96aecda5f1bb0d72e9c9d8

Frayed Knot Nov 19 2007 09:23 PM

HoF players - or probable *future members - ranked by their contributions to NYM baseball as per their status in the CPF Rankings project: Tom Seaver * Tom Glavine (est finish depending on final 2007 results) Gary Carter * Pedro Martinez - will likely pass Ryan w/his 2007 points ... with potential to rise further in coming year(s) Nolan Ryan Eddie Murray * (?) Joe Torre * Rickey Henderson Willie Mays Richie Ashburn Warren Spahn Yogi Berra's 8 NYM ABs did not earn him a place on the list

metirish Nov 19 2007 09:24 PM

Glavine speaks. [url=http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/ny-spmside1120,0,6269796.story]I wanted to keep family in Atlanta[/url]

Elster88 Nov 19 2007 09:57 PM

G-Fafif wrote: his whole purpose in pitching was wrapped up in the individual glory of 300. Of course that's not even remotely true.

Valadius Nov 19 2007 10:31 PM

I know I have a different perspective on Glavine because I wasn't paying attention to baseball until 1997, but seriously, give the guy a break. I hold no ill feelings towards him. He pitched well, for the most part, his last four seasons here minus the last week. He did pitch pretty well in the playoffs for us. Blaming him for what happened this season is foolish. It had far more to do with our joke of a bullpen.

G-Fafif Nov 20 2007 08:12 AM

Elster88 wrote: ="G-Fafif"]his whole purpose in pitching was wrapped up in the individual glory of 300. Of course that's not even remotely true. No, I think it is at least remotely true. Glavine himself wouldn't have argued the point last year at this time as he dithered among retirement, the Mets and the Brave offer he hoped he'd get. He kept pitching to get to 300, which doesn't make him unique among veterans nearing a milestone. He kept pitching so he could get wins for Glavine, not out of some fantastic altruistic desire to help the Mets. Of course the Mets benefited from his work when it was good, but let's not pretend that a pitcher who has reached 290 wins isn't very much wrapped up in the quest for 300.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 20 2007 08:15 AM

The part that's not true is the "whole purpose" part.

Edgy DC Nov 20 2007 08:16 AM

I think he was motivated by that eight-figure salary.

seawolf17 Nov 20 2007 11:10 AM

Tom who? Wasn't he that guy who used to pitch for the Braves? I have no memories of him at all. Must have blocked them.

A Boy Named Seo Nov 20 2007 03:56 PM

I thought his [url=http://mlb.mlb.com/media/player/mp_tpl.jsp?w_id=607829&w=mms%3A//a1503.v108692.c10869.g.vm.akamaistream.net/7/1503/10869/v0001/mlb.download.akamai.com/10869/2007/open/teams07/cle/video/112007_cle_kobayashi_presser_400.wmv&pid=false&vid=7761&mid=200711202305057&cid=mlb&fid=400&v=2&mType=w&urlstr=&mUrl=&type=v_free&_mp=1]press conference [/url]would bug me, but it didn't. Only watched the first 15 minutes or so, but he didn't say anything cheesy at all, nothing overly gushy about his homecoming, or anything remotely negative about his time with the Mets. Strictly professional. Interestingly enough, around 9:30 he says he told the Mets straight away at the end of the season that he was not going to pick up his option because 1) he didn't know if he wanted to retire and that 5 days wasn't enough time for him to decide, and 2) he felt he wasn't worth the $13 mils his contract would've called for. He went on to say he didn't feel like he was a "#1 guy anymore".

Elster88 Nov 20 2007 04:13 PM

What a prick. Fuck him.

Willets Point Nov 20 2007 09:18 PM

I remember all the new assholes I was torn whenever I criticized Glavine in this forum. At least my surfeit of assholes can begin healing now.

SteveJRogers Nov 20 2007 09:35 PM

I remember me being soundly ridiculed for hating on Glavine early on on another forum, probably not as bad as WP, but I was some good rips.