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HahnSolo Nov 30 2007 10:58 AM

Milledge for Schneider and Church? That's what they're saying on the FAN.

Edgy DC Nov 30 2007 10:59 AM

Nuh-uh.

soupcan Nov 30 2007 11:00 AM

If true - that will come back and bite the Mets right in the ass.

iramets Nov 30 2007 11:00 AM

Edgy DC wrote: Nuh-uh. Beningo and Roberts say "Yup." Also, "This sucks."

HahnSolo Nov 30 2007 11:00 AM

I can't find confirmation, but they're talking like it's already happened.

Edgy DC Nov 30 2007 11:01 AM

So does edginigno. My word.

soupcan Nov 30 2007 11:03 AM

Omar's got to have something else in the hopper - he's got three catchers now and Milledge as part a package could've brought a starter. Please let there be another deal coming.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 30 2007 11:03 AM

oh fuck

Centerfield Nov 30 2007 11:04 AM

This makes no sense. Ryan Church is a decent player. Brian Schneider hits worse than LoDuca. That's not enough for Milledge.

Edgy DC Nov 30 2007 11:05 AM

Did Church take the time to legally change his name to Zambrano?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 30 2007 11:05 AM

what the fuck

Centerfield Nov 30 2007 11:07 AM

soupcan wrote: Omar's got to have something else in the hopper - he's got three catchers now and Milledge as part a package could've brought a starter. Please let there be another deal coming. I remember thinking Omar had something in the hopper and no way he'd let the Mets start the 2007 season with Perez, Maine, Pelfrey and two guys over forty as the starting rotation.

Valadius Nov 30 2007 11:08 AM

Can't find this in print. I refuse to believe this.

Edgy DC Nov 30 2007 11:08 AM

Yeah, denial is one of the stages.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 30 2007 11:09 AM

I don't get it at all. Church is a more established player, but we've seen what he can do and Milledge offers much more potential. And is Schneider all that better than Estrada? And how does this help us get a starting pitcher? (Maybe the A's really like Ryan Church?)

Edgy DC Nov 30 2007 11:11 AM

Well, we get worse here, but we also add salary. The upside is... I don't know. We clear a roster spot?

bmfc1 Nov 30 2007 11:11 AM

For background on Ryan Church, Vlad and Edgy know this, Church is either a dumb guy, a country bumpkin', or an anti-Semite. I prefer to think he's just ignorant: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/20/AR2005092002093.html

Edgy DC Nov 30 2007 11:12 AM

Yeah, I was thinking that this deal is a racist's dream.

soupcan Nov 30 2007 11:13 AM

According to FAN this deal is done. Supposedly The A's and the O's were not interested in Milledge as part of any package and the Red Sox are now interested in Haren. So dealing Milledge doesn't hurt in terms of being included for a SP and the price for Haren has gone up.

bmfc1 Nov 30 2007 11:13 AM

As a Mets fan in DC, I've come to like Brian Schneider. You'll like the way he gives signals to the infield. Church--feh. I'm not a fan. I think it was Frank Robinson that sent him to AAA two seasons ago when he slept through spring training.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 30 2007 11:17 AM

The collapse continues

Valadius Nov 30 2007 11:19 AM

Church is a schmuck. Schneider is all right defensively, but he's not great offensively. It seems we're more collecting players to package later than making a team.

Fman99 Nov 30 2007 11:20 AM

Gay.

Edgy DC Nov 30 2007 11:20 AM

The Nats seem to hate the guy. He performs well for them, but they've given everybody and his brother a chance to beat him out. He always shows up without a job, and only gets thrown in there after some other guy struggles. Milledge has a better scouting sheet than Kevin Mitchell ever had as a Mets prospect, and Ryan Church is no Kevin McReynolds. My penis is all shriveled up.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 30 2007 11:21 AM

="Newsday.com"] Mets trade Milledge to Nats FROM NEWSDAY.COM 1:10 PM EST, November 30, 2007 According a report by WFAN, the Mets have traded outfielder Lastings Milledge to the Washington Nationals in return for catcher Brian Schneider and outfielder Ryan Church. The move would cost the Mets one of their prized trading chips, and they now have a logjam at catcher after acquiring Johnny Estrada two weeks ago. The trade was reported by WFAN's Chris Russo, who said that he and partner Mike Francesa were informed of the trade by Mets ownership during a tour of Citi Field construction.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 30 2007 11:22 AM

Well, if it's based on something Chris Russo heard then maybe there's a slim hope that this isn't for real. It wouldn't be the first time that Mike and Chris reached an incorrect conclusion.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 30 2007 11:22 AM

blow me omar ]newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/ny-spmilledge1201,0,1176471.story Newsday.com Mets trade Milledge to Nats BY DAVID LENNON david.lennon@newsday.com 1:20 PM EST, November 30, 2007 The Mets have traded Lastings Milledge to the Nationals for catcher Brian Schneider and outfielder Ryan Church, a baseball official confirmed this afternoon. Milledge was believed to be a major chip in the Mets' pursuit of an elite starting pitcher this offseason, but that apparently was not the case. Schneider, 31, will now take over in the catching tandem with Ramon Castro, only a week after the Mets traded for Johnny Estrada. Schneider is expected to be a defensive upgrade to Estrada, who is now almost certain to be released. Schneider hit .235 with six homers and 54 RBI last season. Church, 29, will be added to the mix in rightfield. He batted .272 with 15 home runs and 70 RBI in 144 games for the Nationals. Milledge showed flashes of his highly-touted potential in the past two seasons. He batted .272 (50-for-184) with seven homers and 29 RBI last year. Evidently, the Mets value Carlos Gomez, a superior defensive player, over Milledge. But Gomez could be moved in a deal for a starting pitcher at next week's winter meetings. WFAN was the first to report the trade earlier this afternoon. Copyright © 2007, Newsday Inc.

Valadius Nov 30 2007 11:28 AM

So what the hell did we get Estrada for? Do we just cut him now?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 30 2007 11:29 AM

Mota. Yes.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 30 2007 11:29 AM

Estrada was a fallback. And also a way to unload Mota's salary.

Centerfield Nov 30 2007 11:35 AM

I wish we had signed Yorvit Torrealba.

sharpie Nov 30 2007 11:36 AM

I might be wrong but Schneider and Church were, I think, the last two ExpoNats who aren't pitchers (Cordero and Patterson at least are ExpoNats). Oh, and, I hate this trade.

Valadius Nov 30 2007 11:36 AM

Jayson Stark is insinuating that Milledge's value has taken a big fall this offseason.

HahnSolo Nov 30 2007 11:40 AM

Valadius wrote: Jayson Stark is insinuating that Milledge's value has taken a big fall this offseason. But they didn't have to trade him.

Valadius Nov 30 2007 11:44 AM

I tuned in briefly via streaming webcast earlier to the FAN where Russo went off on how Omar is obsessed with Miguel Cabrera and wants to put him in right field. How the hell does this help, Chris?

Gwreck Nov 30 2007 11:45 AM

Did we not think we were going to get 15-70-.272 out of Milledge in 2007? 'Cause that's what Church did. Oh, and Milledge is also 6 years younger.

Edgy DC Nov 30 2007 11:50 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 30 2007 11:50 AM

Who did Milledge rape? Are their dogfighting issues we're going to hear about?

bmfc1 Nov 30 2007 11:50 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 30 2007 11:51 AM

I checked three Nationals message boards (Capitol Punishment, Ballpark Guys, [u:c9adb7863d]Washington Post[/u:c9adb7863d])... most dopey Nationals fans (redundant) are ecstatic. E.g., "Nice salary dump by the Nats with Schneider due to pull in $5 mil and Church expected to pull in over a mil when he goes to arbitration this winter for a young stud making around the league minimum." A few say they will miss Schneider. E.g, "I understand the trade and don't really doubt it was probably a good one. But man, I'm crushed. Of all the players, Schneider deserves most to experience the new park and to experience a winning Nationals team. I love that guy. He's so smart, so classy. I so wanted him to be the one guy from the Expos who made it all the way through. Sob....hold me." Press conference at 3. Omar on FAN at 4.

Kid Carsey Nov 30 2007 11:51 AM

Omar will be on at four with the bozos. Ya know what I'm sayin'?

Vic Sage Nov 30 2007 11:59 AM

Schneider is a significant defensive upgrade over Estrada, and, frankly, there's little to distinguish them offensively (Schneider's career OPS+ = 82; Estrada = 86) -- they both suck. As a LHed hitter, he's probably a better option to platoon with Castro than Estrada. As for Church, he's a surprisingly productive LHed hitter, when given the chance. But do you give up Milledge's potential to get a slight upgrade in one of your platoon catchers? I don't think so. And whatever Milledge's clubhouse issues are (and they must be profound to have plummeted to this point), Church is no "choir boy" either... or maybe he is, in this case. If we couldn't do more than this with Milledge, we should have just let him play, and lived with Estrada. Now that's one less chip with which to pursue Haren or Bedard.

seawolf17 Nov 30 2007 12:02 PM

Wow. Awful. Either Milledge's stock has dropped that low, in which case, let him play this year -- even in AAA -- to see if he can get that stock back, or he ate Willie's dog. Effin A.

Edgy DC Nov 30 2007 12:02 PM

Milledge Upside: Jim Rice Downside: Alex Ochoa Median Outcome: Bernard Gilkey Church Upside: Paul O'Neill Downside: Wes Chamberlain Median Outcome: Steve Henderson? Schneider Overpaid punchless catcher of which the league abounds. Yeah, I made all that up. Trying to understand here. I went out for lunch looking for canvansers to be nice to, hoping to put forth a cosmic offering that would make this go away.

seawolf17 Nov 30 2007 12:08 PM

Did you kick any of them in the gonads? I can think of at least one guy I'd like to kick in the gonads right now.

holychicken Nov 30 2007 12:08 PM

I still don't believe it. It seems way too stupid to be true.

Rotblatt Nov 30 2007 12:11 PM

Hate it. If it were just a little more retarded (Schneider for Milledge straight up, say), I wouldn't believe it.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 30 2007 12:16 PM

If you think about it, it IS Milledge for Schneider, since Milledge is already as good as Church is (only cheaper). Stoopit

Fman99 Nov 30 2007 12:16 PM

Ladies and gentlemen, meet your new #7/8 hitters! Ugh. Basically we're swapping Milledge and Estrada for Church and Schneider. Which to me is a stupid idea.

martin Nov 30 2007 12:27 PM

i am still literally in denial. this cant be true, it makes no sense. a high ceiling player like milledge for the regular joes you can find anywhere? omar will come on the fan in a few mins and set us straight.

Centerfield Nov 30 2007 12:28 PM

="martin"] omar will come on the fan in a few mins and set us straight. Just kidding! Ha! Gotcha.

metsmarathon Nov 30 2007 12:34 PM

the only hope i can see in this is that somehow, brian schneider is a player that can be sent to baltimore along with some actually good players, in exchange for ramon hernandez and eric bedard. or that the a's might also be interested in some sort of catcher to help their team, along with those same good players, in echange for dan haren. elsewise, this is dumb dumb dumb.

A Boy Named Seo Nov 30 2007 12:35 PM

Noble echoes the[url=http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071130&content_id=2314337&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym] Milledge decreased value[/url] talk, but sez his value had diminished not to other teams, but to us. ]In dealing Milledge, the Mets lose a 22-year-old outfielder who has had issues on and off the field in two partial seasons with the big league team but still is a highly regarded offensive talent. Milledge's batting right-handed and his occasional defensive shortcomings in left and right field diminished his value to the Mets, who now can have three switch-hitters, three right-handed hitters and -- when Church plays right field -- two left-handed hitters in their most regular lineup. Add me to the mob that thinks this deal sucks BHMC.

martin Nov 30 2007 12:36 PM

son of a dangit is on the official site now, i thought it was still just bouncing around talk radio. no more denial, just sadness.

Edgy DC Nov 30 2007 12:38 PM

He's trying hard to see both sides like a good reporter, that Marty Noble. He knows this stinks to high Heaven. The headline at mets.com is: Mets gain roster flexibility in deal with Nationals. I actually joked earlier in this thread that this was the only obvious benefit. What kind of headline is that?

seawolf17 Nov 30 2007 12:45 PM

Wait! Maybe the Twins really wanted Church in a Santana deal, but couldn't match up with Washington!

seawolf17 Nov 30 2007 12:49 PM

Brian and Jordan Schneider with Chris Young in Japan.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 30 2007 12:49 PM

I am hoping that this is a precursor to something else.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 30 2007 12:50 PM

Go Jordan!

Mendoza Line Nov 30 2007 12:51 PM

bmfc1 wrote: For background on Ryan Church, Vlad and Edgy know this, Church is either a dumb guy, a country bumpkin', or an anti-Semite. I prefer to think he's just ignorant: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/20/AR2005092002093.html Great. So I log on to the CPF just to see what's going on, and I find out that we traded Lastings Milledge AND I'm doomed?!?!? I don't get this deal at all.

Valadius Nov 30 2007 12:52 PM

What Schneider brings to Wifey Watch has made up for 20% of my dislike of this trade.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 30 2007 12:54 PM

Mrs. Schneider is cute. She'll be an asset to the Wifey Watch.

sharpie Nov 30 2007 12:55 PM

Is there a Mrs. Church?

HahnSolo Nov 30 2007 01:00 PM

Ehhh, Mrs. Schneider would be a fourth outfielder on a really good Wifey Watch team.

Edgy DC Nov 30 2007 01:10 PM

Shawn Green, on learning of his replacement: "I may be going to Hell, but Ryan Church is going to the Mets."

Benjamin Grimm Nov 30 2007 01:18 PM

Washington Post in 2005 wrote: The Washington Nationals suspended a volunteer chaplain and distributed an apology from outfielder Ryan Church yesterday, two days after Church was quoted in a front-page Post article as suggesting that Jews are headed for eternal damnation. I have a brother-in-law who said the same thing about Catholics. (Fortunately, for family harmony, he didn't say it in my presence. I don't believe in heaven or hell, but I know hate when I see it.)

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 30 2007 01:19 PM

sharpie wrote: Is there a Mrs. Church? Yes. I'm sending out an APB for photos of Tina Church.

Edgy DC Nov 30 2007 01:20 PM

Has Omar begun speaking yet?

iramets Nov 30 2007 01:28 PM

If you mean, in semi-coherent street English, the answer is a big "No."

metsguyinmichigan Nov 30 2007 02:21 PM

There must be another shoe dropping at some point that would make this deal make sense. Because right now, it doesn't.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 30 2007 02:22 PM

I have YES on my TV and Omar is about to come on to talk to Mike and Chris after the commercial break.

iramets Nov 30 2007 02:27 PM

metsguyinmichigan wrote: There must be another shoe dropping at some point that would make this deal make sense. Because right now, it doesn't. You know, I heard an awful lot of this wishful thinking with Kazmir-for Zambrano. "It's sooooo dumb, it MUST be part of something awully smart. It's just gotta be..."

seawolf17 Nov 30 2007 02:32 PM

Omar must have been blinded by Church's Burrelllike line against the Mets last year: 13-41, 5 2B, 4 HR, 12 RBI, far and away his best numbers against any team last year. He was 10 for 25 at Shea.

Valadius Nov 30 2007 02:36 PM

Omar at the very least was familiar with both of them by virtue of his stint with the Expos. Hopefully this means that we hold on tighter to Gomez and Martinez. But Omar probably got too desperate to trade Milledge.

HahnSolo Nov 30 2007 02:36 PM

Per Omar: Ryan Church, your starting right fielder.

willpie Nov 30 2007 02:38 PM

Huh. Maybe I am as irrationally optimistic as my wife says, but I don't hate (or even especially dislike) the trade. It's not what I had in mind for Milledge, but in the absence of better offers, they essentially turned Mota (ugh) and Milledge into Church (meh) and an honest-to-god platoon at catcher. Hell, they had me at "Mota's gone." Now, there had better be some pitching on the way from somewhere (or else they're really in for it; I may even de-lurk for a real bitch-fest! That'll show 'em!), but I think Milledge's potential was overstated, he got hurt every season, and he had a real gift for alienating teammates and employers alike. I'll miss the kid, but I don't feel like a chunk of the sky just hit me in the head.

soupcan Nov 30 2007 02:40 PM

Omar's on now. Geez he's hard to listen to. Wants Church to play everyday... Didn't want LoDuca back solely for defensive reasons (yeah, uh-huh)... Torrealba's agent and the Mets agreed not to comment on why the Yorvit deal fell through. Not concerned now that Yorvit's agent is making noise about legal action ("Dese thins happen in my biznezz, youknowhateyemzayin...?")

Edgy DC Nov 30 2007 02:40 PM

Who do you think overstated Milledge's potential?

Benjamin Grimm Nov 30 2007 02:41 PM

Mota's departure had nothing to do with this trade.

Valadius Nov 30 2007 02:46 PM

Oh good lord. Way to aim low, Omar. Ryan Church as the starting right fielder? How are you going to replace Lo Duca's offense? I'm hoping this is some kind of David Justice flip.

soupcan Nov 30 2007 02:46 PM

"Lasting's value didn't decrease, Church and Schneider are established productive MLers. Good trade for both sides, blah, blah, blah, blah....."

Centerfield Nov 30 2007 02:50 PM

The more I think about it, the less sense this makes. Schneider stinks. He's not any better than Estrada, who the Mets already had, so trading for him is no benefit at all. Which essentially makes this Milledge for Church. If Milledge were given the starting job, he would most likely put up at least Church's numbers. In fact, it would probably be a disappointment if he only produced at that level. I can understand trading away a player with upside for known entity, but when that known is mediocre, it makes no sense at all.

Nymr83 Nov 30 2007 02:50 PM

from the other thred: ]MINAYA ON WFAN. (i'm paraphrasing here and there but not distorting the content) Mike: what is church's role? Minaya: everyday player. (cites counting stats) Mad dog: he only did that once Minaya:exciting to give him the chance Minaya:i think those numbers could improve, remember this was in a big ballpark in washington minaya: good numbers, (admits difference in age) but says church will produce better numbers with the opportunity to drive in runs Mike: why make mota deal if you're gonna do this? Minaya: fair to say it was a salary dump, gave us an option going forward Mike: why no loduca, any worries about torrealba lawsuit against you which was rumored? Minaya: no worries about that, we agreed with agent not to discuss the reason why it didnt work out. Dog: anything to do with the mitchell report? Minaya: no. Mike: loduca? Minaya: its about how we are building our team going forward...yadayada...about speed, defense, loduca did a good job, loduca better offensively than schnieder but schneider's defense is what we need. had nothing to do with loduca's off the field conduct. Minaya: we hadda change things up with how the season ended last year Minaya: the way the team is setup now i'm a big believer in being strong (defensively) up the middle Dog: get a big pitcher in trade? do you have enough prospects? Minaya: there are pitchers being shopped i cant named them, we're talking, clubs have interest in our players. pitchers like defense so they'll want to come here Mike: any problem with wagner's comments Minaya: talked to him, told him to watch what he says, says wagner was then pleased with omar's explanations Dog: do yank moves put pressure on you? Minaya: no. Minaya: we should have won more games last yeat, trade "changes things up some." "i like our team the way it is right now" only difference is we lost glavine and added pedro martinez (for a full year- haha) and church, we will hopefully work in the winter meetings, i do believe there'll be other pieces of this team. Mike: reyes untouchable? Minaya: reyes part of nucleus/core, one of best young players in game, not trading reyes. Dog: (question about milledge's stock) Minaya: hes been considered a big prospect, we have other big prospects, a couple of years ago if you told me we'd make this trade i'd be happy to get an outfielder who will produce and who we control for 4 years. "tough deal for me to make" "good baseball trade for both sides" -end interview-

DocTee Nov 30 2007 03:17 PM

the only way this gets worse is if the other shoe reduces the catching log jam by dealing Castro and not Estrada/Schneider

iramets Nov 30 2007 04:03 PM

Centerfield wrote: I can understand trading away a player with upside for known entity, but when that known is mediocre, it makes no sense at all. Yes. Milledge has limitless upside. He could be Hank Aaron, he could be Hank Allen, but you know that Ryan Church is Ryan Church, and it's hard to see a championship team that has him as its everyday RFer. Of course, we could be believing hype in all our man-love for Milledge, but we did see him out on the field, showing flashes of brilliance, a quick bat, flashes of power. It ain't all hype, and if other GMs were saying that it was, well, you need to hang on to him. If you gave him Church's at bats last year, don't you think he'd have matched 15 HRs and a .270 BA?

willpie Nov 30 2007 04:09 PM

="Benjamin Grimm"]Mota's departure had nothing to do with this trade. Well, it had at least a little to do with it. The Mota/Estrada trade was 1 part salary dump, 1 part Mota dump, and 1 part acquisition of a question mark of a defensive liability catcher who could be the other part of your two-headed catching monster in a pinch, but could just as easily be non-tendered if a better deal came along. A better deal came along. Not a full-on good deal (and, indeed, taking a longer look at Milledge's stats now that I'm home from work, I feel less good about this, but still mostly in the realm of alright-to-on the fence. Assuming there's still a deal for pitching in the works.) So, sure, Mota wasn't part of this trade, but there have been many, many less related transactions than this one and the Mota trade.

willpie Nov 30 2007 04:24 PM

Yeah, actually, I'm starting to hate this. Thanks for ruining my rosy outlook.

seawolf17 Nov 30 2007 05:29 PM

Green <Church> Schneider/Estrada plus we no longer have Milledge. I don't see how this improves the team at all.

HahnSolo Dec 01 2007 07:43 AM

Credit to a caller on FAN who pointed out that one reason the Nats could let Schneider go is that they had Flores in their system, the same Flores they claimed from the Mets last year. So you could look at it like Milledge and Flores for Schneider & Church, which makes it look even worse.

Edgy DC Dec 01 2007 07:49 AM

Nah, there's no logical point in framing that way, unless you love salt in your wound.

iramets Dec 01 2007 07:55 AM

Anyone with a link the 40 man roster a year ago, when the Mets made Jesus Flores avalable to the Nats? I'd be curious to see some of the illustrious names the Mets felt were more valuable properties at the time than their #1 catching prospect (according to Baseball America).

bmfc1 Dec 01 2007 08:54 AM Edited 3 time(s), most recently on Dec 01 2007 09:01 AM

I was stunned to read that Omar thinks that Church will be in the everyday RF. He wasn't good enough to start on the lousy Nationals, so how can he start on a team that wants to win the WS next season? The excellent [url]www.mlbfleecefactor.com[/url] agrees--Omar got fleeced! "In essence, the Mets traded away a young, cheap and promising major trading chip for a 31-year old, light-hitting catcher (their third catcher technically, meaning Johnny Estrada will be non-tendered next month), and a 29-year old OF with minimal upside. Now I know Milledge has had his run-ins with management, but the New York Mets could have done better then Church/Schneider, right? On SNY this evening, Ken Rosenthal appeared as a guest. He said rival baseball executives were shocked at this deal, primarily because the Mets dealt Milledge away without getting ANY pitching in return. You would think they would have pushed harder for Jon Rauch, Chad Cordero, or even Luis Ayala to help their bullpen. Omar baffles us all yet again. Schneider is a fine defensive catcher, and Church is a useful player as well, but is he an everyday rightfielder on a competing team? I don’t think so. And it seems that espn.com writer Keith Law agrees that the Nationals won out on this deal (Insider article). It was a pretty cold in NY today… maybe Omar felt like purchasing himself a warm FLEECE?! Between the Torrealba situation, purchasing Brian Stokes from Tampa Bay, letting Lo Duca walk without even trying to re-sign him (a fan favorite in NY), giving Luis Castillo a multi-year deal, and now trading Milledge for two “decent” players (neither pitchers), Omar Minaya is in the midst of a horrific off-season. This, of course, coming after a horrific collapse. The Mets do not have the chips to deal for a Johan Santana, Danny Haren, Jake Peavy, Erik Bedard, or even a Joe Blanton for that matter (it would appear). If Minaya decides to sign Livan Hernandez at next week’s winter meetings, he deserves a stern talking to from Mets’ management at the very least. Bad job, Omar. WAKE UP!"

smg58 Dec 01 2007 08:54 AM

Did anybody know who Flores was when he was claimed? The Mets obviously assumed that nobody would Rule 5 a guy who hadn't yet played above A-ball. But somebody for the Nationals saw something in Flores that the Mets overlooked. A crucial mistake in hindsight, but I don't know if anybody recognized it as such at the time.

bmfc1 Dec 01 2007 08:56 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 01 2007 09:00 AM

"But somebody for the Nationals...." The story is that "somebody" was Davey Johnson who was under contract to the Nationals as a consultant.

iramets Dec 01 2007 08:58 AM

bmfc1 wrote: "But somebody for the National...." The story is that "somebody" was Davey Johnson who was under contract to the Nationals as a consultant. I read somewhere thast Acta is getting credited for this one.

bmfc1 Dec 01 2007 09:00 AM

"Success has many fathers...."

Valadius Dec 01 2007 09:20 AM

From the Daily News: ]Milledge, 22, reportedly was offered with Aaron Heilman and Phillip Humber to the Orioles in a proposal that was rejected. Including Milledge did not make it more desirable to Baltimore, but one baseball official said, "You put Church or Gomez in place of Milledge in an offer and it might be a more attractive offer." It speaks to how Milledge's tumultuous time with the Mets has damaged his status as a top prospect. In 2006, Milledge irritated the Mets after hitting his first career home run, sharing high-fives with fans en route to taking his position in right field. And he irked teammates enough that one hung an anonymous note in his locker that read, "Know your place, Rook!" Earlier this year, the franchise was embarrassed by his performance on a rap song that had offensive language and was seen as derogatory to women.

iramets Dec 01 2007 09:24 AM

Valadius wrote: From the Daily News: ]Milledge, 22, reportedly was offered with Aaron Heilman and Phillip Humber to the Orioles in a proposal that was rejected. Including Milledge did not make it more desirable to Baltimore, but one baseball official said, "You put Church or Gomez in place of Milledge in an offer and it might be a more attractive offer." It speaks to how Milledge's tumultuous time with the Mets has damaged his status as a top prospect. In 2006, Milledge irritated the Mets after hitting his first career home run, sharing high-fives with fans en route to taking his position in right field. And he irked teammates enough that one hung an anonymous note in his locker that read, "Know your place, Rook!" Earlier this year, the franchise was embarrassed by his performance on a rap song that had offensive language and was seen as derogatory to women. Which Orioles did they say a Heilman-Humber-Church package would fetch? Bedard? How does that deal seem to you folks, essentially Milledge-Heilman-Humber for Bedard-Schneider?

Valadius Dec 01 2007 09:39 AM

The assumption is it's Bedard. And I'd feel better about it.

Rockin' Doc Dec 01 2007 12:13 PM

If the idea was to get a player to package in a deal with the Orioles for Bedard, then I would hope that the deal was pretty well set pending the first deal. Therte is no indication that such a deal is in the offing, particularly since Omar is insisteing that Church will be the Mets starting right fielder. If a deal for Bedard was indeed offered if the Mets would package Heilman, Humber and Gomez, then I would have preferred they pull the trigger on that deal and held on to Milledge to play right filed with Endy serving as the fourth outfielder. Personally, I'm starting to think that Omar is still trying to rebuild the Nationals towards respectability.

iramets Dec 01 2007 12:23 PM

Rockin' Doc wrote: If the idea was to get a player to package in a deal with the Orioles for Bedard, then I would hope that the deal was pretty well set pending the first deal. Therte is no indication that such a deal is in the offing, particularly since Omar is insisteing that Church will be the Mets starting right fielder. If a deal for Bedard was indeed offered if the Mets would package Heilman, Humber and Gomez, then I would have preferred they pull the trigger on that deal and held on to Milledge to play right filed with Endy serving as the fourth outfielder. Personally, I'm starting to think that Omar is still trying to rebuild the Nationals towards respectability. Well, of course Omar is known to tell some huge whoppers in the interests of spinning things that put the Mets in a good light. So you can't really say that he's lying, even if he has no desire at to keep and to play Church, because he'll get more for Church if he acts as if he's perfectly satisfied to have him as his regular RFer. No other GM in baseball is smart enough to view that line as obvious BS, so he's cleverly pulling the wool over all their eyes. Your thesis that he's running for GM of the year, and is still on the Nats' payroll, is intriguing. I would like to subscribe to your newsletter on the subject.

seawolf17 Dec 01 2007 12:56 PM

Every GM is going to say that; he can't go on M&MD last night and say, "Well, we're not even fitting Church for a uni, because we're just going to dump him on the Orioles."

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 01 2007 01:15 PM

]I was stunned to read that Omar thinks that Church will be in the everyday RF He would seem to call for a RH-hitting platoonmate. I would think we go get one of those if we really wind up with him.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 01 2007 01:16 PM

]I was stunned to read that Omar thinks that Church will be in the everyday RF He would seem to call for a RH-hitting platoonmate. I would think we go get one of those if we really wind up with him.

Zvon Dec 01 2007 02:24 PM

As far as the immediate future goes, I like this deal. Some of my fav kabooms go out the window, but I still think we got 2 more things we needed, esp a good man behind the plate defensively. Church swings half a mean bat. Lastings may live up to his potential in part or in whole, but looks like the Mets were not ready to give him the chance any time soon. Better to get what we need now while we can.

TheOldMole Dec 01 2007 02:45 PM

I can handle trading Lastings, though I hate it, because they have the depth behind him, but I'm not impressed with the trade.

Edgy DC Dec 01 2007 04:09 PM

smg58 wrote: Did anybody know who Flores was when he was claimed? Yes, he was their best catching prospect, even after he had a terrible and injurious year at Hagerstown in 2005. He rebounded furiously at St. Lucie in 2006. It was a great move by the Nats the day they made it.

DocTee Dec 03 2007 05:38 PM

La-Sting has a new partner in crime, as the Gnats add troubled OF Elijah Dukes to the roster.

smg58 Dec 03 2007 07:23 PM

With Pena and Kearns already in the corners, and the possibility of Dmitri Young moving to leftfield when/if Nick Johnson is ready, I'll wager they're not done dealing either.

Edgy DC Dec 03 2007 07:29 PM

That's another trademark of Bowden's Reds: more players than they need in the outfield and at first.

metsmarathon Dec 04 2007 07:09 AM

why does it say "no post exists for this topic" if i click on the last page of the thread, currently on #6?

Johnny Dickshot Dec 04 2007 07:12 AM

It appears that all posts JC Lunchbucket has made have been removed. Why did that asshole get banned?

Edgy DC Dec 04 2007 07:27 AM

We have the technology to fix this.