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Hilary Clinton

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 09 2008 10:34 AM

As I've said before her staff snapped to action when I complained about Cablevision, moreso than anyone. Wifey who does some gov't work sez much of the same -- gets stuff done. After 200+ years, I think we should let the chix have a go too. But her unfavorable ratings are through the roof, and I sense there's nothing that will bring that down. What's the deal with HRC?

metirish Jan 09 2008 10:42 AM

In my job I get to meet a lot city workers that worked at Ground Zero and to a man they all say that Hillary came through for them , and most of these guys would tell you that it changed their perception of her. I think she's coming across as to scripted but maybe that has changed now, all in all I do like her although she represents the past, even though it was a good past.

soupcan Jan 09 2008 10:42 AM

The vitriol that this woman has hurled at her simply amazes me. I just do not get why so many people seem to hate her with such passion. Dislike her, dislike her policies, fine. but the hate confounds me. Other politicians that are not popular don't get the kind of reactions that Hilary does. People dislike Cheney but I don't get spammy emails with horns coming out of his head on a regular basis. When I come across them, I've asked the haters why and I never get an acceptable answer. I can only conclude that this is a sexist thing.

AG/DC Jan 09 2008 10:48 AM

soupcan wrote: People dislike Cheney but I don't get spammy emails with horns coming out of his head on a regular basis. I don't think I can go a day without seeing Cheney=Satan imagery/literature.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 09 2008 10:54 AM

People are so cynical that they even thought that her tears were faked. I doubt she's that good an actress. I also find it hard to believe that people think she's incapable of emotion. Then, on the other hand, there are those who said that her emotion makes her unsuitable to be commander in chief. I was going to say that she just can't win, but the thing is, she might.

AG/DC Jan 09 2008 11:02 AM

I don't think her tears --- and I saw her as shakey, but not teary --- were faked. She was probably exhausted and not a little terrified that she was about to eat a big Obama shitburger. I saw her husband's indignatiion that the press was giving Obama a pass faked. And I saw his chokey emotion over her victory faked. "People bought Hillary's emotioon? Watch me squeeze a few out."

sharpie Jan 09 2008 11:53 AM

I echo what others have said here: I just can't understand whatsoever what makes some people go all apoplectic about her. Maybe because I'm used to working with smart, tough women she doesn't faze me at all. Sometimes a bit calculating, in the manner of her husband, but I find her fairly impressive on the stump, especially in debates.

OlerudOwned Jan 09 2008 05:56 PM

She's certainly being stuck with a brutal double standard right now. Not fit because she's too calculating, not fit because she's showing emotion. I don't know how that affects where I am on the Dem primaries. Still entirely lukewarm toward all of them, even if Obama's speeches do make me all warm and bubbly. Then again, I'm still chasing the ghost that is a Bloomberg campaign.

metsmarathon Jan 09 2008 07:00 PM

the thing i hate about hillary clinton is the whole "its a woman's turn" argument for why you should vote for her. i feel that her gender is neither a qualifying feature of hers, nor a disqualifying feature of hers. i dislike that she makes it an issue, but pretends she doesn't want it to be one. i dislike that she, and her husband, are the very model of political expediency, and will say or do whatever they feel is the most popular thing for them to say or do on that given day. and i do not feel that we should be led by popular opinion polls, but rather by people of conviction, whose convictions we agree with.

Rockin' Doc Jan 09 2008 07:29 PM

I whole heartedly agree with marathon. I coudn't have articulated my thoughts as well as he did, so I'm glad that he did it for me.

Nymr83 Jan 09 2008 07:53 PM

]People dislike Cheney but I don't get spammy emails with horns coming out of his head on a regular basis. When I come across them, I've asked the haters why and I never get an acceptable answer. I can only conclude that this is a sexist thing. ever see those storage space ads on the subway? the ones that say "your closet is scarier than bush's agenda" or "your closet is so narrow it makes cheney look liberal"? and thats not just some joke email, thats an actual company disparaging the president in its advertising.

Gwreck Jan 09 2008 08:45 PM

1. "Disparaging" is quite a strech there. It's no secret that it's taken tongue in cheek. 2. Making fun of the current president/vice-president is an apolitical thing. See Live, Saturday Night; Leno, Jay; Letterman, Dave; etc. 3. Even if we agree that Cheney, or Bush, or whomever also gets some pretty nasty attacks that doesn't answer the question at hand, which is why people *hate* Hillary so much.

Nymr83 Jan 09 2008 09:02 PM

ok fine, then whats wrong with horns on hillary?

AG/DC Jan 09 2008 09:09 PM

Nymr83 Jan 09 2008 11:20 PM

lol, i love how the pitchfork is shaped like a "W"

metsmarathon Jan 09 2008 11:37 PM

what other pitchfork-letter-shapes have you seen? A? O? Z?

Valadius Jan 10 2008 12:01 AM

Let me sum up why I cannot vote for her: If she wins and is elected to two terms, that would mean that a father and son and a husband and wife will have held the White House for 28 consecutive years. In my view, that puts us on a path to hereditary democracy (see Benazir Bhutto's 19-year-old son) and KILLS the American Dream. KILLS it. You want your child to go to sleep at night and dream of becoming the President of the United States, right? That's what America is all about - that your kids can grow up to be whatever they want to be. Electing Hillary Clinton would take American democracy a step BACKWARD. I pray to God that she doesn't get the nomination, or I'll end up voting for Bloomberg.

Nymr83 Jan 10 2008 12:25 AM

how about G.Bush - B.Clinton - Dubya - Hillary - Jeb - Chelsea? lol

Nymr83 Jan 10 2008 12:29 AM

="metsmarathon"]what other pitchfork-letter-shapes have you seen? A? O? Z? these are the same general shape but don't evoke the thought of a "W" quite as much

martin Jan 10 2008 06:14 AM

Valadius wrote: Let me sum up why I cannot vote for her: If she wins and is elected to two terms, that would mean that a father and son and a husband and wife will have held the White House for 28 consecutive years. In my view, that puts us on a path to hereditary democracy (see Benazir Bhutto's 19-year-old son) and KILLS the American Dream. KILLS it. You want your child to go to sleep at night and dream of becoming the President of the United States, right? That's what America is all about - that your kids can grow up to be whatever they want to be. your kids are opposed to marrying into the presidency?

martin Jan 10 2008 06:18 AM

soupcan wrote: The vitriol that this woman has hurled at her simply amazes me. I just do not get why so many people seem to hate her with such passion. Dislike her, dislike her policies, fine. but the hate confounds me. Other politicians that are not popular don't get the kind of reactions that Hilary does. People dislike Cheney but I don't get spammy emails with horns coming out of his head on a regular basis. When I come across them, I've asked the haters why and I never get an acceptable answer. I can only conclude that this is a sexist thing. it isnt a sexist thing. it is about hillary being a phony, and not nearly as effective an actor as her husband. she is too obviously a demagogue.

metirish Jan 10 2008 07:02 AM

So the woman that asked the question that made Hilary tear up ends up voting for Obama, I'm sure he'll thank her for the vote.

AG/DC Jan 10 2008 07:31 AM

Valadius wrote: Let me sum up why I cannot vote for her: If she wins and is elected to two terms, that would mean that a father and son and a husband and wife will have held the White House for 28 consecutive years. In my view, that puts us on a path to hereditary democracy (see Benazir Bhutto's 19-year-old son) and KILLS the American Dream. KILLS it. You want your child to go to sleep at night and dream of becoming the President of the United States, right? That's what America is all about - that your kids can grow up to be whatever they want to be. Electing Hillary Clinton would take American democracy a step BACKWARD. I pray to God that she doesn't get the nomination, or I'll end up voting for Bloomberg. You already did this rant. Two of us answered it, and you ignored us. http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?start=240&t=5561

Willets Point Jan 10 2008 08:55 AM

Listening to an interview with the woman who asked the question that prompted Clinton's emotional moment. She says she voted for Obama.

AG/DC Apr 09 2008 08:09 AM

"I am very dependent upon the work that Al Gore has done for so many years on behalf of climate change." I understand that this is praise, but parse that one and it either doesn't make sense or makes comical sense.

Nymr83 Apr 09 2008 08:20 PM

A recent WNBC/Marist poll says that New Yorkers vote for a McCain-Rice ticket over an Hillary-Obama ticket 49-46 or or a Obama-Hillary tickey 49-44. The same poll has either democratic ticket slightly edging out McCain-Lieberman. Kinda shocking to me that a) hillary does so poorly in new york at all and b) rice has more drawing power in a liberal stronghold than liberman. obviously we're nowhere near election day, but i for one am heartened that mccain can compete even in NY.

sharpie Apr 10 2008 07:27 AM

Putting hypothetical VP candidates (espcially in all these cases, veep prospects who have unequivocally ruled out running for VP) is a ridiculous poll tactic. Electoral-vote.com synthesizes various polling numbers. Both Clinton and Obama beat McCain 51-40% there.

Farmer Ted Apr 10 2008 08:18 AM

Chelsea Clinton is in town today. Praising her virtuous mother and prolly answering more stupid questins about Monica. A vaguely recall an old Clinton joke...What do you get when you cross a crooked politician and an bad lawyer? Chelsea Clinton.

AG/DC Apr 11 2008 08:40 AM

So, Hill's headquarters in Terre Haute burned down ( http://www.wthitv.com/global/story.asp?s=8151421 ) and that's interesting, but what got me was this goofy paragraph: Despite former President Bill Cinton's visit to the Wabash Valley, investigators said they aren't jumping to any conclusions just yet as to what may have caused the fire at the Clinton Headquarters. Are they insinuationg that Bill started the fire?

Benjamin Grimm Apr 11 2008 08:55 AM

I think Vince Foster did it.

Nymr83 Apr 11 2008 09:25 AM

AG/DC wrote: So, Hill's headquarters in Terre Haute burned down ( http://www.wthitv.com/global/story.asp?s=8151421 ) and that's interesting, but what got me was this goofy paragraph: Despite former President Bill Cinton's visit to the Wabash Valley, investigators said they aren't jumping to any conclusions just yet as to what may have caused the fire at the Clinton Headquarters. Are they insinuationg that Bill started the fire? It wouldn't be the first "fire" he's lit to Hillary's detriment.

cooby Apr 17 2008 07:34 PM

Kids seeing Bill Clinton at LHU tonight. Last week they went to see Barack at PSU. They are getting to be quite the little campaigners. Very proud of them !

themetfairy Apr 17 2008 09:03 PM

I saw her tape her segment for The Colbert Report this evening.

Frayed Knot Apr 18 2008 02:55 PM

Robert B. Reich (he always introduced himself with the middle initial), the former Labor Secretary in the Clinton administration and a friend of Bill's since their days at Oxford and a friend of Hillary's since not long after that, is coming out and endorsing .... Barack.

cooby Apr 19 2008 06:50 PM

Hilary left four messages on my answering machine while I was out working in my garden today.

Nymr83 Apr 20 2008 12:25 AM

cooby wrote: Hilary left four messages on my answering machine while I was out working in my garden today. i love that when the scumbags in washington created the "do not call list" legislation they conveniently made an exception for political calls.

Willets Point Apr 20 2008 10:06 AM

Frayed Knot wrote: Robert B. Reich (he always introduced himself with the middle initial), the former Labor Secretary in the Clinton administration and a friend of Bill's since their days at Oxford and a friend of Hillary's since not long after that, is coming out and endorsing .... Barack. Not surprising as Reich has been pretty open about how he felt like he was frozen out and ignored when he was in the Clinton administration. He even wrote a book about it called Locked in the Cabinet. Basically he was a traditional liberal among the DLC corporatists and Republican suck-ups who helped Clinton move the Democratic Party right of center.

Frayed Knot Apr 20 2008 12:27 PM

Reich was once described as being the one in the Clinton adminstration who was 'closest to the ground and furthest to the left' ... so, no, it's not all that surprising - although the fact that he's known the Clintons for a long time and is the 2nd (at least) former cabinet member to publicly "stray" can't be a good sign for camp Clinton

cooby Apr 20 2008 05:29 PM

Bill just called me. I feel so nasty! Grrrrwowlll!

Benjamin Grimm Apr 20 2008 05:41 PM

He probably heard about your orange pants.

cooby Apr 20 2008 07:16 PM

No, they're Edgys!

Number 6 Apr 20 2008 10:11 PM

="themetfairy"]I saw her tape her segment for The Colbert Report this evening. Last Thursday's Colbert Report may have been the best 30 minutes of television I've ever seen.

themetfairy Apr 21 2008 05:00 AM

LOL - and that was despite a ton of technical difficulties <g> But it was a pretty cool show.

Willets Point Jun 03 2008 11:33 AM

Clinton may concede to Obama tonight effectively ending the Democratic party primary. I'll believe it when I see it.

Valadius Jun 03 2008 02:13 PM

It's all over, finally.

Willets Point Jun 03 2008 08:08 PM

Clinton does not concede Tenacity of a cockroach has this one.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 03 2008 08:58 PM

Does she still have an opening here? Did they settle the Fla and Mich thing to everyones satisfaction?

Elster88 Jun 03 2008 09:25 PM

I don't get it. How come she's not conceding if the nomination has been clinched? Could Willie have come out after the Mets were mathematically eliminated last year and said they're still not conceding? It doesn't work that way does it?

Willets Point Jun 03 2008 09:29 PM

Elster88 wrote: Could Willie have come out after the Mets were mathematically eliminated last year and said they're still not conceding? It doesn't work that way does it? There wasn't any place for Willie to make the Mets a vice-division winner.

themetfairy Jun 03 2008 09:43 PM

Terry McAuliffe was on The Daily Show tonight. Jon Stewart said to him, "I'm a big Mets fan. As you know they collapsed last season. Convince me they won the World Series."

Elster88 Jun 03 2008 10:09 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 03 2008 10:26 PM

Willets Point wrote: ="Elster88"] Could Willie have come out after the Mets were mathematically eliminated last year and said they're still not conceding? It doesn't work that way does it? There wasn't any place for Willie to make the Mets a vice-division winner. So when she says she's not conceding the presidential nomination she means she's considering becoming the vice-president nominee? Gimme a break please.

Frayed Knot Jun 03 2008 10:17 PM

I'm still rooting for fist-fights on the convention floor.

G-Fafif Jun 03 2008 10:21 PM

Elster88 wrote: Could Willie have come out after the Mets were mathematically eliminated last year and said they're still not conceding? It doesn't work that way does it? You'd think one of New York's senators could have used a little influence on behalf of the home state team.

AG/DC Jun 03 2008 10:46 PM

The commitments of the delegates --- pledged ones and Super- ones --- don't count until the votes are cast. It's unike baseball that way.

Elster88 Jun 03 2008 10:56 PM

So technically Obama hasn't clinched yet?

AG/DC Jun 03 2008 10:59 PM

Technically, no. That role call at the convention that is typically just pageantry has real meaning. Or at least it could this year. I doubt it, but...

Nymr83 Jun 03 2008 11:36 PM

from a Newsweek article thats a few months old... ] "A delegate goes to the convention with a signed pledge of support for a particular presidential candidate. At the convention, while it is assumed that the delegate will cast their vote for the candidate they are publicly pledged to, it is not required." The party's rules ask delegates to "in good conscience reflect the sentiments of those who elected them." and Edwards had 26 delegates ]According to the DNC: "As a sign of good faith, most former candidates will 'release' their delegates from voting for them; however, this is not required, and only has a symbolic meaning to it. Delegates can vote for another presidential candidate without being 'released.'" ]Super Delegate pledges are just public commitments. They can change their minds at any point And despite the 'compromise' over the FL/MI delegates theres nothing stopping the full delegations from showing up and demanding a full vote, that would then be decided by the credentials committee So Hillary can decide that party unity and focussing on November are less important than her personally becoming president, and she can drag this out for as long as she wants and try to beg, borrow, and bribe (not literally i hope) superdelegates and others committed to Obama. She could also encourage the FL/MI delegations to stage an embarassing and attention-grabbing stunt at the convention.

Vic Sage Jun 05 2008 08:58 AM

sorry to disappoint you Nymr, but she's throwing in the towel on Saturday.

Nymr83 Jun 05 2008 04:35 PM

ok. now they can fight over whether or she becomes his VP candidate, that should entertain us for awhile.