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Barack Obama

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 09 2008 10:52 AM

What the hell is it with this guy. Grew up overseas and in Hawaii. Gives good speeches. How about a prez who interrupts policy meetings to go have a smoke out back.

metirish Jan 09 2008 10:57 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 09 2008 10:57 AM

I remember when he gave the speech at the DNC a few years ago and I thought "WOW" this guy sure can give a blinding speech, I do like him alot but worry about his lack of experience and am sceptical about the whole change thing. Has a great, great granny from Ireland so he's down with me. Does he smoke?

Benjamin Grimm Jan 09 2008 10:57 AM

Right after Iowa some of the pundits were saying he was a force that couldn't be stopped; that the tides of history would sweep him to the White House. A big win in New Hampshire would have reinforced that. I hope he enjoyed his five days of inevitability. He may not get it back.

soupcan Jan 09 2008 11:00 AM

Barak Hussein Obama. Could a presidential candidate have a worse name? Would do better if people started to refer to him as Barry H. O'Bama

AG/DC Jan 09 2008 11:06 AM

="metirish"]Has a great, great granny from Ireland so he's down with me. Him and every president ever. I'd like to get my hands on the adviser who tells him to put the word change twice into every sentence. It's a race without an incumbernt for the first time since forever. They're all candidates of change, even if Romney doesn't want to be.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 09 2008 11:08 AM

So he's not "black enough" but he is "Irish enough?"

soupcan Jan 09 2008 11:11 AM

="AG/DC"]It's a race without an incumbernt for the first time since forever. They're all candidates of change, even if Romney doesn't want to be. Yup.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 09 2008 11:14 AM

I thought the genius of "change" was Bill Clinton in 92. That was basically his whole platform as I recall it.

metirish Jan 09 2008 11:22 AM

I think they all talk about change which I take with a pinch of salt.

AG/DC Jan 09 2008 11:23 AM

Then Obama is a pretty salty dish, is all I'm saying. And I'm getting high blood pressure.

sharpie Jan 09 2008 11:51 AM

His speeches are good, nice cadences but when he isn't speechifying he seems kind of uncomfortable. Lenny thinks he's the greatest as do all of his 15-year-old friends. I think he's an interesting force but I'm not sure he's got the goods this time around.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 09 2008 11:56 AM

I think he might eventually make a good president, but if he's elected in 2008 he's going to make some rookie mistakes that will leave him with egg on his face. That's much less likely with a veteran like McCain or Clinton, which is why they're touting experience and readiness. Hillary can (but won't) argue that she already made her rookie mistake with the health care plan she proposed in 1993.

soupcan Jan 09 2008 11:58 AM

sharpie wrote: Lenny thinks he's the greatest as do all of his 15-year-old friends. I think the popular candidate among the high school set when I was 15 was John Anderson. Who, I think, turned out to be a Nazi or something.

Nymr83 Jan 09 2008 12:02 PM

how does being the president's wife make you "experienced"? her experience amounts to being a two-term senator, only one more term than Obama. Obama however was in a state legislature for 7 years.

Farmer Ted Jan 09 2008 12:03 PM

I lived in Chicago when he won the Senate seat. He was no better than fourth in the dem. primary polls before everyone else's dirty laundry was hung out. Jack Ryan won the GOP primary and had to bow out when someone went snooting around his divorce records and found out he tried to get his wife to go to a sex club (Jeri Ryan...who wouldn't!). Alan Keyes filled in for Ryan and got squashed in a carpetbagger role. I heard a guy on the train after election talking with his buddy..."who the fuck is this Arab", pointing to the Sun-Times. He's coming across as hollow to me. Lot of "we can do it" but not sure "what" is. Not sure if the momentum will follow after NH.

Edgy DC Jan 09 2008 12:06 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 09 2008 12:10 PM

Well, she's not my candidate, but it's clear that she was an active policymaker as first lady. First lady of Arkasas also. And a Senate staffer back when. Her Senate tenure is entering its eighth year; Obama's its fourth. So seven to three is 133% more experience.

soupcan Jan 09 2008 12:07 PM

Nymr83 wrote: how does being the president's wife make you "experienced"? I think some first ladies are more experienced than others (rim shot). As opposed to some like Barbara Bush, Hilary injected herself into her husband's administration. She may have failed at her health care reform but there is no doubt she was in there with her sleeves rolled up. Again - you may not like her but to say her acting as first lady for 8 years gives her no experience is just not a fair assessment.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 09 2008 12:08 PM

Nymr83 wrote: how does being the president's wife make you "experienced"? her experience amounts to being a two-term senator, only one more term than Obama. Obama however was in a state legislature for 7 years. Being in the Senate for seven years makes her "experienced." She's been dealing with issues on a much higher level than if she was in the Illinois state legislature.

soupcan Jan 09 2008 12:08 PM

Farmer Ted wrote: ..."who the fuck is this Arab?" Great campaign slogan.

themetfairy Jan 09 2008 12:27 PM

FWIW, Obama graduated from Columbia College in 1983. He was a transfer student - he completed his first two years of college at Occidental.

metirish Jan 09 2008 12:34 PM

Just to set straight my mistake above in regards to Obama's ancestry. http://genealogy.about.com/od/aframertrees/p/obama_four.htm number 50.

AG/DC Jan 09 2008 08:33 PM

Lead Story on Yahoo: • Obama says N.H. loss shows change not easy You're killing me, Barry.

Nymr83 Jan 09 2008 09:03 PM

the lead story on my yahoo page is Richardson calling it quits, odd.

Farmer Ted Jan 10 2008 08:55 AM

John Kerry officially endorsed Obama today. I don't know if that's a good thing. Thanks for nothing, Edwards.

sharpie Jan 10 2008 09:00 AM

Edwards did nothing but damage to Kerry's run for the White House. Kerry owes him nothing. Also, precedent here is Gore endorsing Dean instead of Lieberman in '04.

AG/DC Jan 10 2008 09:05 AM

Yeah, that was useful.

Frayed Knot Jan 10 2008 09:12 AM

What most of this shows is that Veep candidates are chosen for their perceived help to the ticket at that moment and not neccesarily because the two are kindered spirits. I remember a quickie interview with Spiro Agnew at Nixon's funeral where Agnew was asked when he last spoke with RMN. 'The day I resigned' was his answer, something I found a bit sad even though both obviously deserved the holes they dug themselves into.

metirish Feb 20 2008 09:29 AM

I really find this comment by Michelle Obama distasteful, you can't find anything to be proud about America in the last few decades? ] "What we've learned over this year is that hope is making a comeback. It is making a comeback and let me tell you something, for the first time in my adult lifetime, I'm really proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change. And I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction and just not feeling so alone in my frustration and disappointment. I've seen people who are hungry to be unified around some basic common issues, and it's made me proud. And I feel privileged to be a part of even witnessing this, traveling around states all over this country and being reminded that there is more that unites us than divides us..." Am I taking her words out of context ?.

AG/DC Feb 20 2008 09:34 AM

Well, taking you literally, you're certainly including context.

Valadius Feb 20 2008 09:35 AM

I think it's taken out of context. But think about it. There are different levels of pride. You can love being an American and not be happy with some of the things going on in our society. And it's been a long while since someone came along and inspired us the way Barack has. There's a difference between loving your country and feeling proud of something your country is doing.

metirish Feb 20 2008 09:37 AM

AG/DC wrote: Well, taking you literally, you're certainly including context. True.

AG/DC Feb 20 2008 09:43 AM

Valadius wrote: I think it's taken out of context. But think about it. There are different levels of pride. You can love being an American and not be happy with some of the things going on in our society. And it's been a long while since someone came along and inspired us the way Barack has. There's a difference between loving your country and feeling proud of something your country is doing. You're mollifying here. She didn't say the's not happy with some of the things going on in our society. She's saying for the first time since 1982, she's really proud of her country. That's some real countercultural stuff. Which is fine. Folks just need to acknowledge what they're aligning with. Bush isn't the only one making appeals to the fringes, while still trying to remain palatable to the mainstream. They pretty much all do it, and it's good to call them on it.

AG/DC Feb 20 2008 09:46 AM

I've been voting since 1985 and never had a candidate that gave me the fuzzies at the local or national level. Rarly felt anyone spoke for me. I nonetheless can think of 100 times in that period that I was proud of my country without even trying. Context: http://www.breitbart.tv/html/49244.html

Willets Point Feb 22 2008 06:20 AM

Barack Obama is your new bicycle.

metsmarathon Feb 22 2008 08:08 AM

ooh, barack obama made me a mix tape! how swell of him!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 22 2008 08:13 AM

dude built me a robot.

AG/DC Feb 22 2008 08:16 AM

Barack Obama skated here all the way from the beach just to see me.

metsmarathon Feb 22 2008 08:21 AM

also, what michelle obama is saying is that, basically, since 1982, she has been, each and every day, for every instant, ashamed of america and ashamed to be an american. at least it leaves her the option to declare pride when we beat the soviet union in ice hockey in 1980.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 22 2008 08:34 AM

Well, not feeling "really proud" doesn't mean you're ashamed. Until I started responding to this post I wasn't really thinking about my status as an American or how I felt about it. I wasn't puffing our my chest and I wasn't hanging my head in shame.

metsmarathon Feb 22 2008 08:36 AM

yeah, true, i'm considering it to be entirely too black and white. i've just gotta think that she shoulda felt a little proud in '89 with the fall of the wall, and perhaps again when we returned to space after challenger. but that's just me.

Frayed Knot Feb 22 2008 08:48 AM

It's certianly not a major crime, but it does give off the same-old "It's all about Me" vibe that permeates too much of politics. Nothing in the country was worth being proud of ... until someone on my side was the front-runner in an election.

cooby Mar 30 2008 03:37 PM

My son and his girlfriend left at 10:30 to go see Obama in State College, not home yet. They must be having a good time!

Benjamin Grimm Apr 02 2008 11:35 AM

Obama went bowling yesterday and rolled a 37! He was outscored by a ten-year-old girl.

AG/DC Apr 02 2008 11:41 AM

I'm not sure I can vote for a 37 bowler.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 02 2008 11:44 AM

I know! How pathetic is that? I think I'll vote for the ten-year-old girl instead.

themetfairy Apr 02 2008 11:45 AM

I'd vote for anyone I can outbowl. He may be the only one....

AG/DC Apr 02 2008 11:46 AM

He supposedly is very competitive --- basketball, poker, and Scrabble have been cited. I'd like to play him in Scrabble. With the clean dictionary, of course.

Nymr83 Apr 02 2008 12:05 PM

37?? how is that even possible? i'm righthanded, not a good bowler, and have thrown higher than a 37 while bowling an entire game with my left hand (its fun, you should try it... the bumpers are fun too)

AG/DC Apr 02 2008 12:15 PM

Yeah, but you're ambidextrous because you're Lee Mazzilli.

sharpie Apr 02 2008 12:23 PM

His 37 came in 7 frames. At that rate in 10 frames he would've bowled a 54.

AG/DC Apr 02 2008 12:30 PM

Oh, well, then, that's fine. I think the White House still has a pair of lanes, so I'm sure he'll polish up if elected.

AG/DC Apr 02 2008 12:32 PM

http://www.whitehousemuseum.org/floor0/bowling-alley.htm

Nymr83 Apr 02 2008 12:41 PM

54 is still bad, but it doesnt provoke that same "are you kidding"? reaction as 37

Frayed Knot Apr 02 2008 01:09 PM

I saw one roll on the low-light films. It was in the gutter before it was halfway down the alley.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 02 2008 01:27 PM

I don;t know why but just thought I'd add:

MFS62 Apr 02 2008 01:31 PM

Frayed Knot wrote: I saw one roll on the low-light films. It was in the gutter before it was halfway down the alley. Did he go to the left or to the right? I guess bowling is like politics, generally better if you aim for the center. Later

Valadius Apr 02 2008 01:35 PM

Here's some old footage of Obama playing basketball in high school: And here's a clip of Obama making a 3-pointer at a school in South Carolina:

Frayed Knot Apr 02 2008 01:46 PM

]Did he go to the left or to the right? I guess bowling is like politics, generally better if you aim for the center. He's lefthanded but rolled it into the righthand gutter. A bunch of years back my golfing buddies and I used various political terms to describe errant shots. - Way left was a 'Ted Kennedy' - hitting one 'Fat' (golfing term for taking too much dirt with your shot) and to the right was a 'Rush Limbaugh' ... and so on.

Farmer Ted Apr 02 2008 02:23 PM

My assistant has gone all Barack all the time. Clearly annoying and she doesn't realize that if I don't vote for him, it's solely her fault. It's like I'm dealing with a Phillies fan who slept through last season until September 20th and woke up yelling "YEAH, WE'RE THE BEST EVER! I TOLD YOU ALL ALONG!" I just may fire her.

metirish Apr 02 2008 02:27 PM

Farmer Ted wrote: My assistant has gone all Barack all the time. Clearly annoying and she doesn't realize that if I don't vote for him, it's solely her fault. It's like I'm dealing with a Phillies fan who slept through last season until September 20th and woke up yelling "YEAH, WE'RE THE BEST EVER! I TOLD YOU ALL ALONG!" I just may fire her. Is she like a farm hand?

Farmer Ted Apr 02 2008 02:43 PM

A farm hand?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 02 2008 02:50 PM

You're a farmer, remember?

Valadius Apr 02 2008 04:07 PM

Goddamn that cracks me up.

Farmer Ted Apr 02 2008 07:31 PM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jmf_sT_IcMc

Valadius Apr 17 2008 05:34 PM

Obama on Real Sports talking about basketball.

Number 6 Apr 18 2008 02:22 PM

I heard this morning that the LA Times is blogging about Barack Obama supposedly "flipping the bird" when mentioning Hillary Clinton in a recent speech. If you'd like, you can look at one angle here. I watched the video, and chuckled; it's pretty clear from the look on his face at the moment that he's not doing it intentionally. His supporters start to cheer, and maybe it's because of the finger, or maybe it's because he's just gotten off a bit of a dig on Clinton. At any rate, he smiles in response to their cheering, perhaps aware at this point, and perhaps not. At this point, I'm thinking to myself, nobody could possibly take this seriously. Even with the "debate" earlier this week in which both candidates, IMO, were asked distracting, insulting and frankly slummy questions, we've gotta be better than this, right? At least Fox News doesn't think so. They're running with this on the front page of their website. They also penned a pretty weasel-ly article about it. The other outlets haven't yet picked it up, and maybe they won't, but it wouldn't be out of character to "report on the controversy." I just dropped in to say, preemptively, if I have to hear about this for the next few weeks, my disappointment with the media will have reached epic proportions. Venting over.

AG/DC Apr 18 2008 02:25 PM

OK, he's starting to scare me.

Number 6 Apr 18 2008 02:29 PM

Who, me or Obama?

AG/DC Apr 18 2008 02:34 PM

Him. Yee. That bullet-proof smile he comes up with just before the end (after "twist the knife a li'l bit") seems to come right out of Louis Farrakahn's bag.

Number 6 Apr 18 2008 02:43 PM

I honestly can't tell if you're serious or not. I'm not an Obama supporter, and I can certainly understand not liking the guy's politics, or just not having a good feeling about how genuine he seems to be... but the manufactured insinuations with Farrakhan and this finger silliness are no reason to react, IMO.

AG/DC Apr 18 2008 02:47 PM

It's just a loose observation about that last smile. It's certainly not a parallel I've ever made (or wanted to make) before. Besides, Nymr has said he's never seen me advocate anything but "liberal positions" on this board.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 18 2008 02:52 PM

I see. So you're countering that by expressing a fear of black people! Very canny!

AG/DC Apr 18 2008 02:56 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 18 2008 05:01 PM

Just don't tell anybody. Seriously, I wouldn't know anything about the "finger silliness" if it hadn't been posted here.

Number 6 Apr 18 2008 03:05 PM

Yeah, it also occurred to me that I'm probably exacerbating the concept of "controversy" by even mentioning it... but it's not the finger that I'm annoyed about, it's the silliness.

Willets Point Apr 18 2008 09:51 PM

Willets Point May 07 2008 08:18 AM

Benjamin Grimm May 07 2008 11:16 AM

This is snipped from an article in today's Daily News: ] "I'm kind of still up in the air between McCain and Hillary," said Jason Jenkins, 32, who cited information from a hoax e-mail as a reason to spurn Obama. "I'll be honest with you. Barack scares the hell out of me,"he said. "He swore on the Koran." Obama did manage to pull in many white voters, but still encountered similar sentiments from a man who refused to shake his hand at a diner in Greenwood, Ind. "I can't stand him," the man said. "He's a Muslim. He's not even pro-American as far as I'm concerned."

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 07 2008 11:18 AM

Not that Hil should back out now (as the DN had suggested now for months) but when/if she does I hope she gives it to those numbskulls and/or asks they support the right candidate

Willets Point May 07 2008 11:20 AM

There's a damn lot of ignorance in our world.

Benjamin Grimm May 07 2008 11:27 AM

She'd have to do a better job denouncing those rumors than she has so far, with a coy, "as far as I know..." If she ends up as Obama's running mate, will she campaign by saying, "You know, I really don't think he's a covert Muslim terrorist..." I wouldn't be at all surprised if McCain offered a more unequivocal denunciation of these rumors in the general than Hillary did in the primaries.

AG/DC May 07 2008 11:41 AM

Hilary's fielded her share of bullshit e-mail's as well. McCain too, for that matter.

Benjamin Grimm May 07 2008 11:46 AM

I'm sure they have. But this one seems to have legs. And it's also implying that Muslims are inherently dangerous and can't love America, so it's more deserving of denunciation. (I don't know if it's a direct or indirect implication; I haven't read any of those e-mails. I don't even know that I've received them. I'm more in the Viagra/penile enhancement demographic, it seems.)

AG/DC May 07 2008 12:09 PM

Well, nonsense about Hilary being a lesbian could be read to imply that they are unworthy of public service. Push-polling about John McCain's "black child" were meant to imply that white men with a thing for black women were unfit.

Benjamin Grimm May 07 2008 12:23 PM

But is anybody saying, "I won't vote for Hillary because she's a lesbian" or "I won't shake McCain's hand because he has a black child?" Hey, Obama has a female partner and TWO black children! Why aren't those rumors being used against HIM?

AG/DC May 07 2008 12:24 PM

I have no doubt that she has lost votes to rumors of sweet sapphic love.

Benjamin Grimm May 07 2008 12:31 PM

We can go back and forth on this all day. The Muslim thing is far more widely believed than any of the other rumors. My point was that I think it would have been more to her credit if Hillary hadn't said "...as far as I know..." when she put down those rumors. And I'd give credit to McCain if he were to eventually firmly denounce those rumors. And I'd expect no less of Obama. If someone asked him, "Is Hillary a lesbian?" I'd want to hear him say, "No, of course not." Not, "Well, I've never seen her going down on Rosie O'Donnell..."

AG/DC May 07 2008 12:39 PM

="Benjamin Grimm"]The Muslim thing is far more widely believed than any of the other rumors. I don't know why that has to be true. The Daily News ran with Clinton denying her sweet sweet Sapphic love on page one, which only fueled the fire, as they knew it would. As far as the power of her renunciation of that nonsense, she sounds pretty clear. By the time she gets to "as far as I know," she's clearly underscoring that it's ridiculous, and silly that she's being asked a third time, and there's no insinuation of a secret that she's not privy to. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/02/clinton-as-far-as-i-kno_n_89488.html

AG/DC May 07 2008 12:49 PM

For clarity sake: I've got a future brother-in-law that has gotten Hillary Clinton books as gag gifts from friends. He's taken them out back and shot them (he owns an arsenal that Charlton Heston would've been proud of) and displayed the results on his bookshelf like trophies. He certainly believes the rumor, though he's certainly not what you'd call a swing voter. If asked, I imagine he'd say it's an issue not because she's gay, but because she's cynically misrepresenting who she really is in order to be electable.

Frayed Knot May 07 2008 12:58 PM

]Not that Hil should back out now (as the DN had suggested now for months) but when/if she does I hope she gives it to those numbskulls and/or asks they support the right candidate I usually try to steer away from conspiracy stuff, but I wonder if Hillary will even want Obama to win if he's the candidate. She may count on McCain being a 1-term guy leaving the race open again in 2012 while she's still young enough to run.

metirish May 07 2008 12:59 PM

I think there are a whole lot of people in this country that think it's a great thing that a man named Barack Hussein Obama is in the race for President , clearly that can be seen as progress and I can't think of any other western country where it would happen right now at this time.

Benjamin Grimm May 07 2008 01:00 PM

Yeah, but she'll still be young enough to run again in 2016. At 68, she'll still be younger than McCain is now. And for women, 68 is the new 64.

Number 6 May 07 2008 09:58 PM

="AG/DC"] I don't know why that has to be true. The Daily News ran with Clinton denying her sweet sweet Sapphic love on page one, which only fueled the fire, as they knew it would. I feel like I've heard and seen the Obama/Muslim rumors taken seriously as a part of this campaign's mainstream dialogue. It's been on network news, in the dailies, and in the comic strips. It's lampooned repeatedly by satirists, and spun by prominent lowbrow mouthpieces. In many of these instances, it's being debunked, but the very fact that it needs to be addressed at all despite its blatant falseness is indicative of its impact. I've heard the "Clinton is a lesbian" innuendo spit by haters, but to my knowledge neither Obama nor Clinton have been directly and seriously asked about it. It's never been an issue important to the undecided, and its influence has never been enough to merit serious coverage, satire, or discussion in a volume even approaching that of Barack "Hussein" Obama. I am speaking only out of my experience, but if Clinton's rumor is anywhere near as impactful as Obama's, then my perspective is really skewed. Then again, your argument may be about prevalence, as opposed to impact; I'd still disagree with that, but not as strongly.

Willets Point May 08 2008 05:56 AM

I've heard that Clinton has sweet Sapphic love with Michelle Obama and they adopted a Muslim baby together and are sending him to a madrassa.

AG/DC May 08 2008 07:00 AM

It made the front page of the Daily News, and, as you describe, the denial only gave the rumor more exposure. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2007/09/21/2007-09-21_hillary_clinton_im_not_a_lesbian.html

MFS62 May 08 2008 07:15 AM

Willets Point wrote: I've heard that Clinton has sweet Sapphic love with Michelle Obama and they adopted a Muslim baby together and are sending him to a madrassa. And I heard that they are now in a custody battle for the child with Angelina Jolie. Later

Frayed Knot May 08 2008 07:30 AM

The only time I've heard the 'Obama is a Muslim' stuff is from dopey man on the street type interviews. Most recently some NBA player was spouting off about how Obama can't win because "they" will never let a Muslim be President. When told he was a Christian and regular church-goer the genius asks, "when did he convert?" Anyone is the media is bringing up this topic - unless it's in the context of 'how should his campaign handle this type of street-level misinformation' - should be horse-whipped.

Number 6 May 08 2008 07:32 AM

AG/DC wrote: It made the front page of the Daily News, and, as you describe, the denial only gave the rumor more exposure. I didn't realize that. So I guess it has more exposure than I thought. In my experience, though, it hasn't been nearly as overdone as the Obama counterpart, and I think I've been pretty plugged in to the arcs of both campaigns. Maybe we're looking at different sources.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 10 2008 01:30 PM

Well, I'm no longer a Barack Obama virgin. (No! That doesn't mean I had sex with him! Jeez! You people!) What I meant was, I finally got one of those e-mails we've been hearing about. I probably would have deleted it unopened, but it came from a family member and the subject heading wasn't clear what it was about. The gist of it was that Obama's concept of "family" is dangerously un-American. He has black family members in Africa with whom he has stayed in contact. He has expressed sympathy with the plight on Kenyans. He has a cousin or uncle or something who was an atheist. He has other cousins who are Muslim! His black father abandoned him, but his white family stuck by him! (Because that's what families do! At least, that's what white families do!) ]Abandoned by his father and shipped off by his mother to his white grandparents, Barry Sotero becomes Barack Hussein Obama. Obama would describe his grandparents as 'white folk.' (Yeah, 'white folk' that would NOT abandon you, their grandchild. Shame on you Obama.) Just awful stuff. Makes me want to vote for Obama a thousand times.

Farmer Ted Aug 06 2008 08:31 AM

All this stupid fucker needed to do is say, YES--drill but only 50 miles out to sea and, YES--the surge did work. Instead the dumb ass is tripping over his big freaking ears. He's going to blow this thing and I don't think Nancy Pelosi very much cares.

AG/DC Aug 06 2008 08:43 AM

Politics, my boy. By the end of this thing, their Iraq positions and their energy policies will be pretty indistinguishable. Our current electoral system and our electorate haven't allowed this country to have anything like a sane energy policy for decades. Even now, with energy policy at the top of "concerns" lists, it's about short-term concerns over the price of a tank o' gas, rather than long-term vision --- even as gas prices have dropped every day for three weeks.

MFS62 Aug 06 2008 10:56 AM

Here's an interesting energy policy, from a very unexpected source. http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/64ad536a6d Who woulda' thunk it? I wonder what this candidate's solution to the Middle East is? Later

AG/DC Aug 06 2008 11:41 AM

I'm going to guess that this is Paris Hilton-related. I'm going to promise, as a model to our candidates, to keep my content Paris-free.