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metirish Jan 10 2008 07:46 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 10 2008 08:17 AM

I used to like him a long time ago, anyway after his win we'll have to endure " mac is back " chants and headlines for a while. http://www.myspace.com/johnmccain

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 10 2008 07:55 AM

My late uncle's freshman roommate at the Naval Academy. (or plebe, or whatever they call first-year students at Annapolis). Said he was a wildman and prolly would have flunked out were it not for he and his other roomies helping McCain with homework. Unkie was a McCain 4 Prez supporter too.

Vic Sage Jan 10 2008 11:59 AM

i like him better already. Also, anybody that pisses off the evangelical right is ok with me. His willingness to legislate from principle rather than political expediency is also attractive. Frankly, if a Republican were to elected, I'd hope it were McCain and not any of the other merry pranksters.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 10 2008 12:02 PM

Vic Sage wrote: Frankly, if a Republican were to elected, I'd hope it were McCain and not any of the other merry pranksters. Me too. I'm hoping he wins the nomination. It will allow me to face the November election with a minimum amount of dread.

Farmer Ted Jan 10 2008 01:58 PM

I think McCain would win the "first to say 'fuck you''" during a Presidential Q/A with the media.

OlerudOwned Jan 10 2008 02:02 PM

Benjamin Grimm wrote: ="Vic Sage"]Frankly, if a Republican were to elected, I'd hope it were McCain and not any of the other merry pranksters. Me too. I'm hoping he wins the nomination. It will allow me to face the November election with a minimum amount of dread. Agreed.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 10 2008 02:05 PM

Here's what I'd like to hear in a debate, either during the primaries or, if it comes to that, in the general election: "Holy crap, Rudy, when are you going to stop tying 9/11 to every fucking thing you say about every fucking subject?" You can even replace the f-words with something more printable and it would still be the sound bite of the year. Maybe McCain's the guy to do it, but I don't think anyone will.

OlerudOwned Jan 10 2008 02:18 PM

="Benjamin Grimm"]Here's what I'd like to hear in a debate, either during the primaries or, if it comes to that, in the general election: "Holy crap, Rudy, when are you going to stop tying 9/11 to every fucking thing you say about every fucking subject?" You can even replace the f-words with something more printable and it would still be the sound bite of the year. Maybe McCain's the guy to do it, but I don't think anyone will. Joe Biden came close. http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters?pid=247311

metirish Jan 10 2008 02:28 PM

Interesting that McCain scored better than the others in exit polling in regards to terrorism and the Iraq war, it's probably not that interesting but he killed Guiliani in that regard. What is McCain's stance on the Iraq war nowadays?, he talks up the " surge" a lot and that seems to have helped him in recent months.

Willets Point Jan 10 2008 02:29 PM

Santorum slams McCain.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 10 2008 02:34 PM

Willets Point wrote: Santorum slams McCain. If Santorum doesn't like a guy, then he must be okay.

AG/DC Jan 10 2008 02:40 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jan 10 2008 05:57 PM

Santorum is a former senator. It's nice that he knows what Americans want, but he was defeated 59% to 41% by Bob Casey, Jr. --- the largest margin of defeat for an incumbent Senator since 1980. Trounced. He was number three in the leadership of Senate Republicans and it couldn't save him from an old-school asskicking by a pro-life Democrat.

Willets Point Jan 10 2008 02:41 PM

Benjamin Grimm wrote: ="Willets Point"]Santorum slams McCain. If Santorum doesn't like a guy, then he must be okay. Exactly what I was thinking.

sharpie Jan 10 2008 02:48 PM

McCain on getting out of Iraq in about 100-1,000 years. http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/McCain_100_years_in_Iraq

Benjamin Grimm Jan 10 2008 02:51 PM

A thousand years??? Okay, McCain is nuts. There probably won't even be a United States of America 1,000 years from now. To think that a particular political situation could last that long doesn't show much of a grasp of history. I still like him better than Romney or Huckabee or Rudy, though.

sharpie Jan 10 2008 03:09 PM

Me too. That is a low, low bar however.

AG/DC Jan 10 2008 05:59 PM

I think he is unlikely to have meant that literally. Which is kind of part of what sucks in campaigns --- the deliberate misuse of opponents' meanings to play gotcha.

Nymr83 Jan 10 2008 09:26 PM

]His willingness to legislate from principle rather than political expediency is also attractive agreed, who else do you think shares that value in this race? Obama?

Benjamin Grimm Jan 11 2008 08:53 AM

From Tuesday's Late Show With David Letterman, a new feature called "Late Show 2008 Candidate Spotlight." John McCain, sitting at a desk with an American flag, on a pole, behind him. "My fellow Americans. A buddy of mine once dared me to drink a quart of motor oil. I drank two, and made forty bucks." Playing along with Dave is often a good way to win a few points from me.

Nymr83 Jan 11 2008 01:47 PM

is it on youtube?

AG/DC Jan 11 2008 01:50 PM

They have this:

Nymr83 Jan 11 2008 01:58 PM

imo thats not an unusual way of speaking (answering your own questions) and attaching a laugh track to it doesnt make it "funny", i guess letterman did this during the writers strike? :) come back guys!

AG/DC Jan 11 2008 02:15 PM

Is it a common way of speaking? Of course it is. Is it fun to edit together? Sure, sometimes. To present as a feature with its own name? Kind of. Was it laugh-tracked? I don't think it was.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 11 2008 02:21 PM

AG/DC wrote: Is it a common way of speaking? Of course it is. Is it fun to edit together? Sure, sometimes. To present as a feature with its own name? Kind of. Was it laugh-tracked? I don't think it was. No, that was the studio audience laughing along.

Nymr83 Jan 11 2008 02:24 PM

don't the studio audiences at shows like that have a big "laugh" sign held up for them at appropriate intervals?

Willets Point Jan 11 2008 02:24 PM

Nymr83 wrote: imo thats not an unusual way of speaking (answering your own questions) and attaching a laugh track to it doesnt make it "funny", i guess letterman did this during the writers strike? :) come back guys! The writers can't come back until they get a fair contract, and for that to happen the AMPTP needs to come back to the table.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 11 2008 02:28 PM

Nymr83 wrote: don't the studio audiences at shows like that have a big "laugh" sign held up for them at appropriate intervals? They have APPLAUSE signs, but not LAUGH signs. When a joke on the Letterman show doesn't amuse the audience, you can hear the silence.

AG/DC Jan 11 2008 02:36 PM

Nor would being encouraged to laugh by a sign be the same thing as a laugh track.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 11 2008 02:38 PM

Willets Point wrote: ="Nymr83"]imo thats not an unusual way of speaking (answering your own questions) and attaching a laugh track to it doesnt make it "funny", i guess letterman did this during the writers strike? :) come back guys! The writers can't come back until they get a fair contract, and for that to happen the AMPTP needs to come back to the table. Letterman's writers are union and they came back under a special contract.

Nymr83 Jan 11 2008 02:46 PM

letterman did in fact get his writers back, his company "worldwide pants?" made its own deal. as for everyone else i'm not familiar enough with the situation to comment on which side is being unreasonable, though experience says that its usually all of them.

AG/DC Feb 21 2008 09:28 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 21 2008 09:34 AM

The buzz around the office here, where folks love dirty politics as long as Republicans are the ones getting hit, is that there's another shoe to drop on this morning's McCain story. "Another shoe" usually refers to somebody else getting hit, but I think they mean that that more is to come on McCain, which kind of explains why he and the lobbyist are denying a romantic relationship when that wasn't the accusation in the article. That she looks like a younger version of Cindy McCain is making my co-workers drool.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 21 2008 09:32 AM

I dunno. I hear "we didn't have a romantic relationship" and think, "See, we were just fuck buddies! There was no emotion involved!" I thought it was a weird story for the Times to run with the way they did, you sorta could tell there was a lot that they couldn't say.

AG/DC Feb 21 2008 09:53 AM

If this story breaks open, it could be the coronation of Barack Obama, which would be the second time the guy benefited from a marital scandal.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 21 2008 11:46 AM

U.S. Embassy in Belgrade, Serbia has been overrun in protest of U.S. recognition of Kosovo. This will blow John McCain and his alleged affair off the front page tomorrow morning.

AG/DC Feb 21 2008 11:51 AM

Republican dirty tricks in action again.

seawolf17 Feb 21 2008 12:05 PM

Yeah, I'm going to guess that the media cares a lot more about McCain cheating on his scary robot wife than an embassy in a country that most folks don't actually care about.

Kong76 Feb 21 2008 12:20 PM

Dude's in his 70's, god-freakin' bless him if he's running around with thirty-something year olds.

metirish Feb 21 2008 02:14 PM

seawolf17 wrote: Yeah, I'm going to guess that the media cares a lot more about McCain cheating on his scary robot wife than an embassy in a country that most folks don't actually care about. Dude she is so fucking scary looking it's freaky.

AG/DC Feb 21 2008 02:28 PM

Well, to be kind, she's recovering from a stroke. To be somewhat less kind, she's also a recoveirng painkiller addict.

metirish Feb 21 2008 02:30 PM

AG/DC wrote: Well, to be kind, she's recovering from a stroke. To be somewhat less kind, she's also a recoveirng painkiller addict. I didn't know any of that.......fuck but I am a bollox......

AG/DC Feb 21 2008 02:33 PM

Not at all. I imagine there are also preservation issues at work there.

seawolf17 Feb 21 2008 05:23 PM

She's a scary robot.

Nymr83 Feb 21 2008 07:46 PM

conflicting reports say there is/is not a burnt body in the u.s. embassy in serbia, if this pans out overnight mccain wont be on any front pages tommorow

Benjamin Grimm Feb 21 2008 08:14 PM

This is a much bigger story than John McCain.

seawolf17 Feb 21 2008 08:49 PM

I know that, and you know that, but Fox 5 News and the New York Post don't necessarily know that.

Nymr83 Feb 21 2008 10:11 PM

="seawolf17"]I know that, and you know that, but Fox 5 News and the New York Post don't necessarily know that. The New York Post doesn't know how to run a story about an attack on an embassy over embarrasing the Republican candidate?

AG/DC Feb 21 2008 10:44 PM

I wondered about that one too. Of course, we won't know the lead until tomorrow morning, but I went to the Post website to see how today's stories are churning tonight. Their three leads: BELGRADE IS BURNING Charred body found inside LONE STAR DEBATE ASHTON’S HEP-A B-DAY SCARE John who?

AG/DC Feb 21 2008 10:47 PM

WNYW Fox 5 leads with New York Area Snow Storm Arriving; Freezing Rain, ... Lindsay Lohan Poses Nude, Internet Goes Haywire Hepatitis Scare at Ashton Kutcher's Birthday Party... Fox 5 Investigates: Baseball's Other Drug Secret? Serbia Shmerbia.

seawolf17 Feb 22 2008 04:44 AM

Snow trumps all.

metirish Feb 22 2008 04:47 AM

Burnt body is one of the rioters, all staff are safe.

AG/DC Feb 22 2008 07:29 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 22 2008 08:39 AM

seawolf17 wins the morning though. The Post however managed to turn the story into a triumphant tale of how the slimey Times attack has actually produced a backlash in his defense that has shored up his support among conservatives and led to a windfall of campaign donations.

Nymr83 Feb 22 2008 08:37 AM

nice spin job. horrible weather

AG/DC Feb 22 2008 08:40 AM

Cindy McCain is looking at you, seawolf. And she knows what you said.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 22 2008 08:41 AM

No mention of Serbia on either the Post or the News covers this morning. The Philadelphia Inquirer gave it some prominent space. But tabloids have more pressure, it seems, to JUMP out at you at the newsstand.

Frayed Knot Feb 22 2008 08:44 AM

The NYPost is used to devoting a lot of space and energy to trashing what's going on at other papers -- although usually the venom is directed towards the Daily News

seawolf17 Feb 22 2008 08:45 AM

AG/DC wrote: Cindy McCain is looking at you, seawolf. And she knows what you said. Great. I'm going to have nightmares now.

Nymr83 Feb 22 2008 08:46 AM

Frayed Knot wrote: The NYPost is used to devoting a lot of space and energy to trashing what's going on at other papers -- although usually the venom is directed towards the Daily News well the News is far more directly their competitor for paper sales than the Times.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 25 2008 01:17 PM

Nymr83 Feb 25 2008 01:40 PM

thats classic.

Willets Point Feb 25 2008 05:54 PM

Not born in US but still eligible.

Nymr83 Feb 25 2008 07:44 PM

That would make for a fun Supreme Court case.

Willets Point Feb 25 2008 09:02 PM

Nymr83 wrote: That would make for a fun Supreme Court case. I'm sure that Clinton would be up for it.

Nymr83 Feb 25 2008 09:11 PM

it'll be fun.

Frayed Knot Feb 25 2008 09:18 PM

I can't believe she'd dare argue that he's ineligible. That doesn't mean someone might not try it ... someone far enough removed from the inner circle so as to give anyone within the campaign the old "plausible deniability" alibi. But even she doesn't have big enough balls to take that issue on herself. Especially since it likely doesn't have a prayer of succeeding.

AG/DC Feb 25 2008 09:23 PM

John McCain is as American as apple pie, and she'd be excoriated for attempting to block his ascension on a technicality. MoveOn.org may not give a shit, though. What would be telling is how quietly the Democratic candidate would stand by and watch.

Nymr83 Feb 25 2008 10:01 PM

if this were to happen would the democratic candidate necessarily be the "winner" or would it be john mccain's running mate?

Benjamin Grimm Feb 26 2008 05:00 AM

I don't think the running mate would necessarily ascend to the top of the ticket. There would probably be a smoke-filled room that would pick the new nominee. This is all academic, anyway. John McCain has been a citizen since his birth, which makes him a natural born citizen. Didn't we have this discussion already, by the way?

Benjamin Grimm Feb 26 2008 05:02 AM

Here we go... ="Benjamin Grimm"]I got curious. This is from usconstitution.net: http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html ] Natural-born citizen Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday? The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps. Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:" * Anyone born inside the United States * Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe * Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S. * Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national * Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year * Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21 * Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time) * A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S. Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example. Many parts of the world have law to provide them with special status, to allow children born in those places to be considered natural-born. This allows families with a long history of working in these areas without ever returning to the U.S. to be considered natural-born. For example, the Panama Canal Zone had been in U.S. possession for a full century, and some families lived there for generations. 8 USC 1403 handles the Zone specifically, stating that anyone born in the Zone on or after 2/26/1904, to at least one citizen-parent, is a natural-born citizen. Similar law is in place to handle the acquisition of territories, such as Puerto Rico, Alaska, and Hawaii.

AG/DC Sep 26 2008 11:08 AM

It seems that, if this PotUS thing doesn't work out, the McCains have a good future as Starbucks pitchcouple: