Master Index of Archived Threads


Mike Huckabee.

metirish Jan 10 2008 08:23 AM

If I was forced to vote Republican I would probably go for Huckabee, looks decidedly uncomfortable playing bass guitar ,which means nothing or it might. http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=147698148

sharpie Jan 10 2008 08:55 AM

He's a creationist. That's a deal-breaker for me.

Willets Point Jan 10 2008 09:04 AM

sharpie wrote: He's a creationist. That's a deal-breaker for me. I'm not going to vote for him either, but I've read that Huck's opinions on evolution are more nuanced than he's given credit for. I can't find the article right now, but it was along the lines that he believes God created everything, including evolution.

metirish Jan 10 2008 09:12 AM

I don't like that either but I don't think he'd be turning the White House into a Creationist Museum or telling us that God speaks to him. I don't know if this is the article Willets is talking about but it helps explain his position. [url=http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/05/05/huckabee_creation_evolution_beliefs_dont_matter_in_presidency/]Boston.Com Huckabee[/url]

Farmer Ted Jan 10 2008 09:28 AM

God told him to lose 200 pounds and he did. He's the campaign's Biggest Loser, literally.

metsguyinmichigan Jan 11 2008 10:48 AM

sharpie wrote: He's a creationist. That's a deal-breaker for me. I'm not advocating for him, but I'm going to suggest that his being a creationist isn't a reason to not vote for him. Evolution isn't an issue a president has to deal with. It's not like they federal government is going to mandate that it or creationism will be taught in schools. It kind of reminds me of when school board candidates here are asked about their position on abortion. It's just never an issue a school board is going to deal with, so why would that make a difference? (Steps off soapbox)

sharpie Jan 11 2008 11:02 AM

No, of course he doesn't rule on that. But it is an indication that he might hold less of a strict separation of church-and-state point-of-view than I do. That and the "Christian Leader" stuff. Some people also believe that, say, the Holocaust never happened or that blacks are genetically inferior to whites. While a President doesn't rule on either of those issues, the fact that someone felt that way would also be a dealbreaker for me.

AG/DC Jan 11 2008 11:20 AM

I had a good campaign going, until I let it slip that I thought George Washington discovered the moon. People killed me for that. Folks, I said, how does this affect my fitness to serve as president? It doesn't, that's how.

metsguyinmichigan Jan 11 2008 12:15 PM

AG/DC wrote: I had a good campaign going, until I let it slip that I thought George Washington discovered the moon. People killed me for that. Folks, I said, how does this affect my fitness to serve as president? It doesn't, that's how. Again, not advocating for Huckabee, but I think there's a big difference between saying something absolutely crazy -- and showing a defect that could impact his decision-making -- and saying that that he takes he takes the first book of the Bible literally, which millions -- if not billions -- do. Now, the argument about fearing that he would tear down the barrier between church and state is a different ball game. I'm interviewing Huckabee tomorrow (he has a rally in Grand Rapids) If I get the chance I'll throw a chruch/state question to him and see what he says. If there's a whole media gaggle there I might not have the chance to ask too many questions. But I'll give it a shot. Talking to Romney again tonight.

sharpie Jan 11 2008 12:24 PM

Not to get into a whole religious debate here -- but taking the first book of the Bible literally with it's talking snake and all is kinda nutty to me. I hope you do get a chance to talk to Huckabee about the separation of church and state and in particular does he think the current administration has gone too far in blurring the lines or maybe not far enough. I think he is an earnest guy and his concern for the poor is refreshing for a Republican candidate.

AG/DC Jan 11 2008 12:25 PM

Good luck. I think Christianity is absolutely reconcilable with evolution if you're of a mind. It's reconcileable with existentialism aslo. He's clarified his postiition and that's fine with me. Though I don't imagine I'll be voting for him.

Nymr83 Jan 11 2008 01:55 PM

i would never vote for someone who doesn't belive in god, i would also be pretty strongly against voting for someone who thinks religion should control public decision making (ie refusing to teach evolution in public schools)

Benjamin Grimm Jan 11 2008 01:56 PM

Nymr83 wrote: i would never vote for someone who doesn't belive in god Why not?

Nymr83 Jan 11 2008 02:00 PM

i think faith is just an extremely important quality in a leader. i guess "never" is a pretty strong term there, but its at leat a huge strike to me edit- and let me clarify that they need not believe in the judeo-christian god, an honest belief in hinduism or whatever else is fine too.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 11 2008 02:01 PM

I prefer "reason." If anyone ever ran openly as an agnostic, I'd have a great deal of respect for him or her.

Valadius Jan 11 2008 03:04 PM

There is one openly atheist member of Congress - Rep. Fortney "Pete" Stark (D-CA).

Vic Sage Jan 11 2008 03:24 PM

Nymr83 wrote: i think faith is just an extremely important quality in a leader. i guess "never" is a pretty strong term there, but its at leat a huge strike to me edit- and let me clarify that they need not believe in the judeo-christian god, an honest belief in hinduism or whatever else is fine too. if i have an honest belief that a little man lives in my asshole and offers me great wisdom in how to live a good life, and gives me faith in eternal life by blasting farts out of my rectum, could i qualify for your vote?

Willets Point Jan 11 2008 03:35 PM

All threads lead to Vic's ass.

metirish Jan 11 2008 03:39 PM

Vic is a pisser.....

martin Jan 11 2008 03:40 PM

AG/DC wrote: Good luck. I think Christianity is absolutely reconcilable with evolution if you're of a mind. It's reconcileable with existentialism aslo. He's clarified his postiition and that's fine with me. Though I don't imagine I'll be voting for him. you can reconcile it with anything, because it is made up. it isnt like you can reconcile it, and i can come along and prove you wrong. religion is what you say it is. if i say santa wears green, he does.

AG/DC Jan 11 2008 08:09 PM

No need in deliberately missing my point. I'm not asking you to believe anything. You believe in Santa?

martin Jan 11 2008 08:56 PM

AG/DC wrote: No need in deliberately missing my point. I'm not asking you to believe anything. You believe in Santa? my mistake i guess. i thought your point was that huckabee has a valid view if he claims that he can reconcile evolution with the bible. the bible is subject to infinite interpretation, so it is incompatible or compatible, it is whatever you want. it is ludicrous to make claims like this about folklore. the bible clearly knows nothing of evolution and was certainly written by folks who had no idea about evolution, and no intent to include it. to pretend that the bible is somehow allowing for evolution is silly. it is allowing for anything you say it is. if i say the bible cannot reconcile with evolution, and you disagree, how do we determine the truth? we don't. that is why these sorts of statements are pointless. it is like the muslim who says the koran justifies his terrorism. is he right? of course. everyone is right when you dont give a damn about reality.

AG/DC Jan 11 2008 08:59 PM

I think you need to stop.

martin Jan 11 2008 09:03 PM

AG/DC wrote: I think you need to stop. of course you do.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 17 2008 05:58 AM

Here's a quote from Mike Huckabee, as reported in this morning's Daily News: "South Carolina's a great place for me. I mean, I know how to eat grits and speak the language... We're on the same wavelength... When I was in college, we used to take a popcorn popper -- because it was the only thing they would let us use in the dorm -- and we would fry squirrels in a popcorn popper in the dorm room."

Farmer Ted Jan 17 2008 06:25 AM

Mike attended Ouachita Baptist University. Remind me to scratch that off the list of Baby Ted's potential future college choices.

AG/DC Jan 17 2008 06:36 AM

Oh, you a Cheata?

sharpie Jan 17 2008 06:46 AM

Something else Huckabee said the other day: ]“I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution. But I believe it’s a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living god. And that’s what we need to do — is to amend the Constitution so it’s in God’s standards rather than try to change God’s standards so it lines up with some contemporary view of how we treat each other and how we treat the family.” I think my church-and-state concerns from an earlier post are pretty valid with this guy.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 17 2008 07:05 AM

Yowtch! That's even worse than the thing about frying squirrels.

seawolf17 Jan 17 2008 07:08 AM

If this guy is nominated by the Red Team, I sense lots of celebrities threatening to leave the country again, which is always a big ol' waste of time.

AG/DC Jan 17 2008 07:21 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 26 2008 03:03 PM

Well, I guess that could happen over anybody, but --- squirrels aside --- Romney seems the more divisive figure. The idea of an anti-gay marriage amendment --- like the flag burning amendment before it --- is a complete non-starter. It's a canard that families-values guys like to dangle in front of family-values audiences and they completely forget when they become accountable to the general population. Not that I blame folks for a minute for running away from guys who bring it up. Didn't Hillbilly do his graduate zoology work by climbing trees to study the southern squirrel?

MFS62 Jan 17 2008 08:09 AM

AG/DC wrote: Didn't Hillbilly do his graduate zoology work by climbing trees to study the southern squirrel? Sounds like he was into animal husbandry - until they caught him at it. Later

Nymr83 Jan 17 2008 01:52 PM

i like that Huckabee statement- it means that he recognizes present law is "against him" on this issue and that constitutional amendment is the proper means by which to change things about the constitution that you don't like (similiar to Alan Dershowitz who hates guns and calls for the repeal of the 2nd amendment rather than unconstitutional laws.)

MFS62 Jan 26 2008 09:16 AM

Huckabee held a fund raiser this past week at the home of Mel Gibson's father. There aren't enough words to convey my comments about that. Later

metsmarathon Jan 26 2008 10:14 AM

sharpie wrote: Something else Huckabee said the other day: ]“I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution. But I believe it’s a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living god. And that’s what we need to do — is to amend the Constitution so it’s in God’s standards rather than try to change God’s standards so it lines up with some contemporary view of how we treat each other and how we treat the family.” I think my church-and-state concerns from an earlier post are pretty valid with this guy. clearly huckabee is oblivious to all of the various translations, variations, and interpretations of the bible that float around out there.

metsmarathon Jan 26 2008 10:31 AM

i think i've said it before, and i'll say it again. the thing that bothers me the most about the thought of a us president who does not believe and/or cannot comprehend the scientific validity of the theory of evolution is not that evolution itself will ever become an issue that crosses his desk, but that in today's world, technology and science have increasing influence over not only every day life but over policy decisions. how should the us deal with biotech? gene doping? climate change? conservation of natural resources? cloning? genetic modification of food sources? alternative energy? artificial intelligence? to make the best policy decisions, should not a president be at least conversant in the basics? if a president cannot make the distinction between theory and hypothesis, or verifiable and unverifiable, would he even be capable of knowing what to look for in a science advisor, let alone be capable of understanding what his science advisor might be talking about?

Benjamin Grimm Jan 26 2008 10:39 AM

I don't want to elect another president that thinks science is "faulty."

AG/DC Jan 26 2008 03:40 PM

MFS62 wrote: Huckabee held a fund raiser this past week at the home of Mel Gibson's father. Is there a source for this? Last I heard, Hutton Gibson was a supporter of Paul. And... other stuff.

MFS62 Jan 27 2008 09:30 AM

AG/DC wrote: ="MFS62"]Huckabee held a fund raiser this past week at the home of Mel Gibson's father. Is there a source for this? Last I heard, Hutton Gibson was a supporter of Paul. And... other stuff. I think I read it in the Daily News. Maybe on the Rush and Malloy celebrity doings page. Later

AG/DC Jan 27 2008 01:27 PM

="The Daily News"]Mike Huckabee is going Hollywood! The GOP presidential hopeful is hosting a fund-raiser at the California home of Steve McEveety, producer of Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ." The $1,000 ticket gets you face time with Huck.

MFS62 Jan 27 2008 01:30 PM

Thanks, I knew there was a Mel Gibson connection. Later

AG/DC Jan 27 2008 02:07 PM

You completely disparaged Huckabee based on nothing.

Nymr83 Jan 27 2008 04:26 PM

whats the big deal about Gibson's father? i've never really heard anything about him i guess i missed something stupid he did from the tone of these posts?

AG/DC Jan 27 2008 04:32 PM

He's an 85-ish reactionary Catholic who thinks the popes since Vatican II are actually anti-popes, and that the See of St. Peter is actually vacant. More importantly, evidence is out there (judge for yourself) that he kind of hates you and thinks your stupid Holocaust has been blown out of proportion. (He was in the Pacific Theater during World War II.) Whatever anti-Semitism Mel has seems to be a pale shadow of what he was taught by his schismatic-break-away-church-startin', paranoid-newsletter-writin' father. Check the internet and judge for yourself. What's undisputed is that he's pretty damn smart, having been a Jeopardy! grand champion (back when that show was really challenging) and made a killing on a personal injury lawsuit (in 1968, at the dawn of the golden era of personal injury lawsuits), and then moved to Australia and made a killing on game shows there.