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Mets, Livan "Close"
| AG/DC Jan 25 2008 08:48 PM |
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"Mmmm, Innnings..."
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| AG/DC Jan 25 2008 08:58 PM |
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Livan's a Type B, which i think means the D'Backs would get a sandwich pick but the Mets wouldn't lose any picks.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 25 2008 09:13 PM |
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Not buying it.
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| AG/DC Jan 25 2008 09:35 PM |
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I was wondering if they were leaking this to send a tacit message to Minnesota that their Santana offer wasn't getting any higher.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 25 2008 09:43 PM |
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And they chose the Rocky Mountain News to deliver that message?
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| AG/DC Jan 25 2008 09:49 PM |
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Well, the RMN is the paper that covers Hernandez's team. They may be in earnest negotiation as public alternative, but ready to pull out if they land Santana.
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| SteveJRogers Jan 25 2008 10:04 PM |
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When did Phoenix become part of the Rocky Mountains?
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 25 2008 10:19 PM |
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I just think the Mets are a likely suspect for any free-agent pitcher left out there and there are a few. And while I could definitely see them get Livan Hernandez, I don;t know also that they'd have a whole overthrow Pelfrey plan at th ready and other clear speculation from the linked article.
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| AG/DC Jan 25 2008 10:28 PM |
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Point taken. Bed awaits. Must walk dog. Bed. Dog. Bed. Dog. Livan. Dog.
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| Nymr83 Jan 26 2008 12:52 AM |
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i do NOT want livan.
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| seawolf17 Jan 26 2008 05:11 AM |
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He shall be a good man.
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| vtmet Jan 26 2008 08:05 AM |
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Livian, livian likes his money He makes a lot they say Spend his days counting In a garage by the motorway He was born a pauper to a pawn on a christmas day When the new york times said God is dead And the wars begun Alvin tostig has a son today And he shall be livian And he shall be a good man And he shall be livian In tradition with the family plan And he shall be livian And he shall be a good man He shall be livian
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| vtmet Jan 26 2008 08:23 AM |
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We have Pedro/Perez/Maine/El'Duque...and we also have Pelfrey/Humber that are getting up there in age/experience losing their "prospect" tags...Pelfrey has been out of college since '05, and has almost 300 innings under his belt SINCE college...Humber has been out of college since '04, and has almost 300 innings under his belt since colege...what is the point in making your 1st round draft pick a 3 year college pitcher, if you are going to keep them in the minors for years? Either find out that they are at least #5 starters or trade them, staying in the minors isn't helping them mature...(I didn't get the Mets philosophy of drafting college pitchers, and their use of Heilman/Pelfrey/Humber makes me question it even more...Yanks drafted Hughes at 18, and he's MLB ready by 21...Other teams that have drafted college pitchers in the first round have these pitchers pitching in the majors less than 300 innings later)...I'd rather give these guys a shot than to waste money/roster space on Livian or Lohse or another piece of junk veteran with little future...
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| MFS62 Jan 26 2008 09:20 AM |
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Tracy Ringolsbe(sp?) is an esteemed baseball writer. I've read his stuff for years in TSN. He covers the national baseball scene for that paper, and I heard he is the one who wrote the report. He is the mountain time zone equivalent of Peter Gammons. Later
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| metsmarathon Jan 26 2008 09:33 AM |
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i dunno. i like livan as an insurance policy which can readily be brushed to the side if and when both of pelfrey and humber prove capable of doing so.
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| RealityChuck Jan 26 2008 12:27 PM |
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Even if Livian is signed, Pelfrey and Humber will get innings this year. El Duque and Pedro are unlikely to stay off the DL all season.
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| Willets Point Jan 26 2008 07:35 PM |
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The Mets have been big on "innings eaters". It would be nice to acquire pitchers who get outs and win games.
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| smg58 Jan 26 2008 09:50 PM |
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Well, we hardly got enough innings out of the rotation last year, which combined with a pen that wasn't adequate even before it got overworked. Livan's ERA+ was better than Glavine's last year, for what it's worth, and the likely difference in innings pitched alone might actually make him an upgrade over his brother. As long as a) you don't commit multiple years, and b) you don't deny Pelfrey the opportunity to earn a spot in the rotation out of spring training, Livan could be a net plus. He's not my first choice, but he might be the best option that doesn't require a significant overpayment.
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| vtmet Jan 26 2008 10:18 PM |
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they are also big on guys that like to use up their 100 pitches by the 5th inning...I've never seen a staff that likes to get ahead in a count 0-2 or 1-2 and then work the count full again, like the Mets have done...They did it most of the time in the Piazza era, and they did it most of the time in the LoDUca era...Hopefully in the Schneider era, they'll focus a little more on getting quick outs and taking advantage of batters vulnerabilities when behind in the count, instead of letting batters off the hook and using up the starters pitches...That is what I like about guys like Pedro and dare I say, Greg Maddux; when they would get ahead in the count, they wouldn't waste a lot of pitches...
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| AG/DC Jan 26 2008 10:53 PM |
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I don't think the Mets have been big on innings eaters. Only Glavine cleared 200 innings in 2007 and that was only just, averaging 5.89 innings per start.
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| metirish Jan 27 2008 09:27 AM |
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I think Minaya talks alot about innings eaters, but probabaly GM does.
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