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Smiggy Scoops All --- Mets Nab Santana (split)

smg58 Jan 29 2008 02:17 PM

This just in from USA Today: [url]http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2008-01-29-twins-mets-santana_N.htm[/url]

metsmarathon Jan 29 2008 02:18 PM

any deal where the mets keep pelfrey, church and f-mart is a great one!

Willets Point Jan 29 2008 02:21 PM

Fuck Yeah!!!

Fman99 Jan 29 2008 02:23 PM

WOO HOO! That is a GREAT deal for the Mets!

metirish Jan 29 2008 02:24 PM

WOW, WOW, WOW....oh joy it is to be a Mets fan....

metsmarathon Jan 29 2008 02:25 PM

i'm personally trying to rein in my jubilation.. jic... but yippee.

Frayed Knot Jan 29 2008 02:30 PM

Still the negotiating part to go through - but a good deal if accurate as reported: Gomez Guerra Humber Mulvey

sharpie Jan 29 2008 02:32 PM

Me happy.

soupcan Jan 29 2008 02:32 PM

That is an EXCELLENT job by Omar!

metsguyinmichigan Jan 29 2008 02:36 PM

Sweet! Expected Klapisch headline: "Omar waits too long, gives up too much" Expected Verducci headline: "Santana's good, but he's no Jeter"

Nymr83 Jan 29 2008 02:36 PM

just heard this on the fan. assuming it is accurate and the Mets can come to terms i'm very happy.

G-Fafif Jan 29 2008 02:37 PM

Wally Matthews: Giving Up Guerra a White Flag for Blue Mets

metsguyinmichigan Jan 29 2008 02:38 PM

G-Fafif wrote: Wally Matthews: Giving Up Guerra a White Flag for Blue Mets Badass!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 29 2008 02:44 PM

where's the blood?

SteveJRogers Jan 29 2008 02:44 PM

G-Fafif wrote: Wally Matthews: Giving Up Guerra a White Flag for Blue Mets HA! You did forget to work in a reference to either Carlos Beltran being frozen by Adam Wainright's curveball or the impending removal of the Iron Triangle junkyards!

AG/DC Jan 29 2008 02:45 PM

I sure wish MLB had a mechanism where these contingent-on-an-extension trades could be kept on the down-low until the signing was complete.

Frayed Knot Jan 29 2008 02:49 PM

AG/DC wrote: I sure wish MLB had a mechanism where these contingent-on-an-extension trades could be kept on the down-low until the signing was complete. That's on the list of things to do right after making the White House & Congress leak-proof.

Elster88 Jan 29 2008 02:51 PM

I have a huge erection.

Zvon Jan 29 2008 02:51 PM

wooohooo, a late Christmas present.

AG/DC Jan 29 2008 02:51 PM

Frayed Knot wrote: ="AG/DC"]I sure wish MLB had a mechanism where these contingent-on-an-extension trades could be kept on the down-low until the signing was complete. That's on the list of things to do right after making the White House & Congress leak-proof. I have the jerk store on line one.

themetfairy Jan 29 2008 02:52 PM

This trade was worth waiting for.

metsmarathon Jan 29 2008 02:53 PM

jeez.. what's taking so long on the extension already? get it done, either way already! we need some NEWS!!!

Benjamin Grimm Jan 29 2008 02:59 PM

Very pleased! (Not as pleased as Elster, but very pleased nonetheless!)

DocTee Jan 29 2008 02:59 PM

Awesome. Simply awesome.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 29 2008 03:09 PM

This is about the only thing that would be able to knock the Giants off the back pages four days before the Super Bowl.

metsmarathon Jan 29 2008 03:12 PM

this is the happiest a mets fan has ever been with armando on the mound!

KC Jan 29 2008 03:19 PM

Mets don't have chips? We didn't even give up all the chips?

Valadius Jan 29 2008 03:34 PM

I guess I'm the only one who isn't thrilled about the deal. I have a horrible feeling about this. The only consolation is that we kept Fernando Martinez. I could care less about Humber, but I'm furious that we traded Mulvey.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 29 2008 03:36 PM

You felt the same way about Mike Jacobs. Would you really rather have Kevin Mulvey than Johan Santana?

soupcan Jan 29 2008 03:37 PM

In your wildest dreams Mulvey will not become Johan Santana - what's the problem?

Valadius Jan 29 2008 03:45 PM

My problem is I'm afraid of Santana ending up going down the same road as Bartolo Colon. If he were three years younger I'd be happy.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 29 2008 03:47 PM

He's 29. Barring injury (which is possible for anyone of any age) he should have at least five quality years in him. And if he doesn't, he doesn't. Any deal has some risk, but this was certainly one worth taking.

willpie Jan 29 2008 03:50 PM

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Expected Klapisch headline: "Omar waits too long, gives up too much" Expected Verducci headline: "Santana's good, but he's no Jeter" Zing!

SteveJRogers Jan 29 2008 03:53 PM

Valadius wrote: My problem is I'm afraid of Santana ending up going down the same road as Bartolo Colon. If he were three years younger I'd be happy. You see Santana blowing up to Sid Fernandez porportions once hitting the Big City?

86-Dreamer Jan 29 2008 03:54 PM

Love it. I am aware of all the risks, but think he is exactly the player you take a risk on. Great job, Omar.

soupcan Jan 29 2008 04:16 PM

Just listening to Buster Olney on ESPN News radio. "Everyone is baffled as to why the Twins made this deal." "It was the 4th best deal out there."

seawolf17 Jan 29 2008 04:37 PM

OutFUCKINGstanding.

bmfc1 Jan 29 2008 04:45 PM

YIPPEEE!!!

Centerfield Jan 29 2008 04:47 PM

Holy fucktarts.

bmfc1 Jan 29 2008 04:53 PM

Santana, Pedro, Maine, OPerez, O Hernandez. Damn good. I like Jason Stark but I don't agree when he said tonight that this makes the Mets and Phillies even, meaning the Phillies were better this morning. The Mets gave up NOBODY that would help them in '08 (maybe Gomez, a little bit) and added "THE BEST PITCHER OF THE 21ST CENTURY" (quoting Peter Gammons tonight). I would still add Livan to pitch the timeframe when his half-brother is on the DL... maybe OM could get them to share a uni to save money.

seawolf17 Jan 29 2008 04:56 PM

Of course, you know the only reason Omar made this deal is because Santana is Latino.

bmfc1 Jan 29 2008 04:59 PM

seawolf17 wrote: Of course, you know the only reason Omar made this deal is because Santana is Latino. HA! Well then, "VIVA, LOS METS!"

Frayed Knot Jan 29 2008 05:00 PM

="Benjamin Grimm"]Very pleased! (Not as pleased as Elster, but very pleased nonetheless!) Of course, it's not clear that Elster was talking about the trade when he made that announcement. He may have just been commenting for general purposes. ]This is about the only thing that would be able to knock the Giants off the back pages four days before the Super Bowl. It may even give sports talk radio listeners a brief reprieve over the next 24 hours from more in-depth anlysis of whether the Giants Monday arrival in Phoenix is an advantage or disadvantage as compared to the Patriots' Sunday touchdown.

bmfc1 Jan 29 2008 05:05 PM

And he can rake! http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=4280&context=batting

seawolf17 Jan 29 2008 05:08 PM

bmfc1 wrote: And he can rake! http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=4280&context=batting And his one career extra-base hit? At Shea Stadium. http://ultimatemets.com/gamedetail.php?gameno=7301

RealityChuck Jan 29 2008 05:16 PM

Great deal and worth the wait. The [url=http://www.mikesmets.com/2008/01/santana_network.html]Santana Network[/url] can close down. Finally. In any case, the Mets got an true ace at the height of his powers and still managed to keep Pelfrey and Martinez. The farm system will need restocking badly, but the parent team may not need any farmhands for the next year. The next step is to sign another starter to eat the innings when Martinez and Hernandez go down.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 29 2008 05:27 PM

Marty Noble wrote: In a development like few others in franchise history, the Mets have put themselves in position to change the dynamic of their team, their upcoming season, their place in the New York sports spectrum and their foreseeable future.

themetfairy Jan 29 2008 06:07 PM

Centerfield wrote: Holy fucktarts. Is that anything like Pop Tarts?

metirish Jan 29 2008 06:09 PM

SNY needs to find footage other than Wright dumping a cheap hit into RF against Santana last season.

seawolf17 Jan 29 2008 06:14 PM

themetfairy wrote: ="Centerfield"]Holy fucktarts. Is that anything like Pop Tarts? No Pop Tarts I've ever wanted to eat.

AG/DC Jan 29 2008 06:23 PM

bmfc1 wrote: The Mets gave up NOBODY that would help them in '08 (maybe Gomez, a little bit) and added "THE BEST PITCHER OF THE 21ST CENTURY" (quoting Peter Gammons tonight). I would still add Livan to pitch the timeframe when his half-brother is on the DL... maybe OM could get them to share a uni to save money. First things first. And that first thing --- signing the new guy --- is a big thing. ="seawolf17"]Of course, you know the only reason Omar made this deal is because Santana is Latino. I thought he was Dutch.

SteveJRogers Jan 29 2008 06:27 PM

Valadius wrote: My problem is I'm afraid of Santana ending up going down the same road as Bartolo Colon. If he were three years younger I'd be happy. How were you on the Martinez signing? Granted you knew going in that he was on the downside and the chances that the last few years would be injury filled would be great it was still a deal the Mets had to do. Even looking back and realizing that Pedro started 12 games since June of 2006, and no postseason games, you have to call the Pedro deal a success right?

Willets Point Jan 29 2008 06:40 PM

This is the first time the Mets have had a Cy Young Award caliber pitcher in his prime in the rotation since the days of Gooden and Cone.

DocTee Jan 29 2008 07:14 PM

Hey guys, I'd hate to be a wet blanket and cal you back to order, but there's a song parody contest going on now. Priorities, friends, priorities.

Elster88 Jan 29 2008 07:26 PM

Valadius wrote: I guess I'm the only one who isn't thrilled about the deal. I have a horrible feeling about this. The only consolation is that we kept Fernando Martinez. I could care less about Humber, but I'm furious that we traded Mulvey. Why? What are the odds Mulvey becomes even half as good as Santana?

Elster88 Jan 29 2008 07:27 PM

seawolf17 wrote: ="bmfc1"]And he can rake! http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=4280&context=batting And his one career extra-base hit? At Shea Stadium. http://ultimatemets.com/gamedetail.php?gameno=7301 Let's not even make him hit. Just to be safe.

metsmarathon Jan 29 2008 07:50 PM

Benjamin Grimm wrote: ="Marty Noble"]In a development like few others in franchise history, the Mets have put themselves in position to change the dynamic of their team, their upcoming season, their place in the New York sports spectrum and their foreseeable future. its, like, the first of these in three years, even!

Valadius Jan 29 2008 07:53 PM

I was ecstatic about the Martinez signing. The difference is that then, we weren't giving anything up.

SteveJRogers Jan 29 2008 08:11 PM

="Valadius"]I was ecstatic about the Martinez signing. The difference is that then, we weren't giving anything up. There is also a difference between the way you are reacting to this move, and the Kazmir for Zambrano trade. Even if Mulvey even reaches the level that Scott Kazmir is at today it still is a much, much better trade. Kazmir was a jewel, and he was traded for a used lemon. Here we are trading jewels for a Porsche. Sure it's a used Porsche, and you never know what is going to happen but that is the risk you take in making deals. Hell Oliver Perez could pull a Mike Vail tomorrow (knock on wood that he doesn't) and never is the same again you would still say getting Perez was a good deal right? Mike Piazza at the end of the 1998 season could have said "FU, I'm going to Chicago/Anaheim/Colorado/or whomever else had their name mixed in" and you know how catchers have a tendency to break down and aren't productive once they hit their mid-30s, does that mean you WOULDN'T have pulled the trigger on getting him for essentially just Preston Wilson, and then locking him up after the season?

Rockin' Doc Jan 29 2008 08:29 PM

What a pleasant surprise. I'm trying to contain my excitement for this wonderful trade until such time that a contract extension with Santana is formally agreed upon. I definitely like this deal as it is being reported, though.

AG/DC Jan 29 2008 09:10 PM

I'm trying to OHM my way to the point where I can enjoy this even if they fail to extend him.

Elster88 Jan 29 2008 09:43 PM

Stop it! I keep trying to forget that there is a possibility this won't happen.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 29 2008 09:48 PM

We'll sign him. It's all a matter of how stupid the money is.

Nymr83 Jan 29 2008 10:07 PM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: We'll sign him. It's all a matter of how stupid the money is. agreed. the mets don't make this deal and this disapoint the fan base by not getting it done. i know you're not allowed to talk to him beforehand but i have a strong feeling that they would have gotten a ballpark figure from his agent, perhaps it slipped out while discussing another client? Minaya: so what will it take to get Joe Shmoe on board? Agent: well, nothing like the 150 million over 7 years that Santana is gonna get, but about 1.5 mil each of the next 2 years should do it. Minaya: I see, i'll get back to you.

Gwreck Jan 29 2008 10:19 PM

Endy Chavez, who the Mets did recently negotiate a contract with, does have the same agent as Santana. --- I figure the extension to be an increased figure for 2008, plus 5 years at $125 million, plus some sort of option year in addition.

Rotblatt Jan 30 2008 05:48 AM

Aw-fucking-some. Minaya stuck to his guns, and got what he wanted. Brilliant. Regardless of how Santana does here or how good our former prospects become, Minaya pulled off a sweet bit of bargaining. Whether it's a net win for the franchise is still open to debate, but from where I sit, this is a no-brainer for us. Woo-hoo!

mario25 Jan 30 2008 06:14 AM

Omar did a great job on this one!!! This is an A+ job and the Mets faithful should be ecstatic today!!!!

AG/DC Jan 30 2008 07:18 AM

Five years at $125 million is A-Rod money. And if A-Rod can scarcely justify A-Rod money, it's going to be hard to see how a pitcher can. I mean, sure, we're all convinced that the Mets are lighting cigars with thousand dollar bills these days but that's a rich salad.

metirish Jan 30 2008 07:35 AM

Various NY area baseball writers say we can thank the yankees for Santana, they also heap praise on Minaya for playing his hand just about perfect.

soupcan Jan 30 2008 07:38 AM

="Gwreck"]Endy Chavez, who the Mets did recently negotiate a contract with, does have the same agent as Santana. I read in the Post this morning that he's Reyes' agent as well. "Well Omar considering you raped us on Jose's deal..."

AG/DC Jan 30 2008 07:42 AM

I don't know that it works that way. I think on 72-hour-negotiating-window trades, the team trading the player needing to be signed does some back and forth to make sure the acquiring team and the player are in the same ballpark, seeing how it's in their interest that the deal go through.

metsguyinmichigan Jan 30 2008 08:04 AM

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Sweet! Expected Klapisch headline: "Omar waits too long, gives up too much" Expected Verducci headline: "Santana's good, but he's no Jeter" And the actual Klapisch headline today: Yanks draw assist in giving Johan to rival See, it's all about the Yankees. Not "Omar brilliantly plays Twins, gets ace and still holds on to top propsect." No, the Mets succeeded because the Yankees allowed them to. These people are so predictable.

AG/DC Jan 30 2008 08:07 AM

Hey, wait, that's not what you predicted.

metsguyinmichigan Jan 30 2008 08:09 AM

AG/DC wrote: Hey, wait, that's not what you predicted. Well, um, I, ah, predicted that to people here in the office but forgot to type it here. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Willets Point Jan 30 2008 08:10 AM

I could have predicted the Boston headline today that read: "Red Sox strike out."

Centerfield Jan 30 2008 08:14 AM

I feel bad for the sports fans in Boston.

Willets Point Jan 30 2008 08:16 AM

Centerfield wrote: I feel bad for the sports fans in Boston. I think the 2 WS championships in four years and the upcoming clobbering of the Giants will soothe them. Oh wait, you were being sarcastic.

metirish Jan 30 2008 08:28 AM

A view from a local Twin City paper. [url=http://www.twincities.com/allheadlines/ci_8113766?source=rv]We get who? Twins' Santana deal falls flat[/url]

Fman99 Jan 30 2008 08:40 AM

metsguyinmichigan wrote: metsguyinmichigan wrote: Sweet! Expected Klapisch headline: "Omar waits too long, gives up too much" Expected Verducci headline: "Santana's good, but he's no Jeter" And the actual Klapisch headline today: Yanks draw assist in giving Johan to rival See, it's all about the Yankees. Not "Omar brilliantly plays Twins, gets ace and still holds on to top propsect." No, the Mets succeeded because the Yankees allowed them to. These people are so predictable. For the first time in months, given the enormity of the story, I thought I'd check the NY rags' sites to see what their take was on it. And of course, it's all about the MFYs. Just reinforces why I prefer to get my commentary from blogs these days.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 30 2008 09:15 AM

I read the print copy of the Daily News this morning, and it wasn't ALL about the Yankees at all. One writer did say that the Mets wouldn't have been able to do this deal if the Yankees had stepped up. It's really hard to dispute that point, though. The same is probably true of the signings of Pedro Martinez and Carlos Beltran. Hopefully some day soon we'll see a transaction where the Mets will get a player that both they and the Yankees desperately wanted. That is hasn't happened yet is a sign that the Yankees are still the power to be reckoned with in this town.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 30 2008 09:21 AM

I don't know. I think it will be very interesting to chart Ian Kennedy vs. Kevin Mulvey, Phil Humber vs. Phil Hughes; Deolis Guerra v. Joba Chamberlain and Carlos Gomez v. Melky Cabrera. I mean, I doin;t think either team woul;d make that trade only because they'd prefer to keep "their guys" but I don't think you can say that in the end the MFYs have all that great an advantage. One small but significant advantage the Mets 4 have is that I think we've seen all the good Cabrera can do and it's not all that much.

metirish Jan 30 2008 09:35 AM

I agree with whatever write said that we should at least take into account the Twins history of cultivating young talent, so it will be interesting to see what becomes of the young pitchers in the deal.

RealityChuck Jan 30 2008 09:41 AM

Fman99 wrote: For the first time in months, given the enormity of the story, I thought I'd check the NY rags' sites to see what their take was on it. And of course, it's all about the MFYs. Just reinforces why I prefer to get my commentary from blogs these days. You only think of the enormity of the story if you're a Twins fan; they have every reason to complain about its [url=http://www.answers.com/topic/enormity]the enormity[/url]. But there is no enormity at all if you're a Mets fan. However, it seems clear that if the MFY were willing yesterday to offer the same deal they did in December, Santana would be wearing pinstripes. But this doesn't take away from the great job Omar did in this situation -- he made an offer and judged that the other teams would drop out while the Twins became more and more desperate. Consider this: if the MFY had agreed to the trade they offered in December, it still would have been good work by Minyana -- he did everything he could. I could imagine the outrage, though.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 30 2008 09:58 AM

I'm going to argue here that it's very possible the pundits are overselling the Yankees alleged advantage seeing that Melky Cabrera sucks and the Twins wanted an everyday center fielder.

metsguyinmichigan Jan 30 2008 10:47 AM

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Hopefully some day soon we'll see a transaction where the Mets will get a player that both they and the Yankees desperately wanted. That is hasn't happened yet is a sign that the Yankees are still the power to be reckoned with in this town. Dude, are you kidding me? This happened during the fall and Verducci and his ilk just covered it up. Luckily, I can imagine the conversation. Hank: Dammit, the Mets got Church AND Schneider? How in the hell did this happen, Cashman? Cashman: The Nats, they were crazy, Boss. I offered them Melky Cabrera! How could they turn that down? Hank: Just great! Now were stuck with that chin-less fossil behind the plate. Now that Pettitte's off the juice we're gonna need someone to catch the crap he's throwing up there. Schneider's just the man. ANd he doesn't hate ARod like everyone else does, which is a plus. And Bobby Freaking Abreu in right? He has the range of a bolder! Oh, to think we could have had Ryan Church tredding the hallowed ground where DiMaggio and Mantle walked. Cashman: Actually, DiMaggio and Mantle played center, Boss. Hank: And they, in their current state, have more range than Damon! Oh, Church and Schneider. If only we had them. I'm telling you, it happened.