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Embryonic Stem Cells (Split from 2008 Presidential race)
| Edgy DC Jan 28 2008 09:43 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 28 2008 11:56 AM |
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Stem cell research isn't actaully an issue anymore, is it?
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| Benjamin Grimm Jan 28 2008 09:44 AM |
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Not as much, no.
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| seawolf17 Jan 28 2008 09:46 AM |
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Since when? As long as there are right-wing nutjobs, stem cell research is an issue.
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| Benjamin Grimm Jan 28 2008 09:51 AM |
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Apparently you don't need embryos anymore (or at least, you don't need to destroy them) to get the stem cells that the scientists want.
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| Edgy DC Jan 28 2008 10:14 AM |
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Nice. Although George Bush may hope time will vindicate all his policies, his stem cell policy is one that has actually been vindicated within his tenure, as science has advanced to the point where we can generate them without creating or destroying embryos from which to harvest them.
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| Benjamin Grimm Jan 28 2008 11:17 AM |
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I wouldn't say that Bush was vindicated. He stood in the way of progress. He was just lucky that he only delayed progress by years and not by decades.
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| Nymr83 Jan 28 2008 11:37 AM |
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as long as there are left-wing nut jobs who wish to find a reason to have lots of abortions its an issue. fortunately, scientists have now come up with a way to turn cells other than those from aborted embryos into what they need.
if lead hadn't been considered harmful would they ever have bothered looking for other ways to make paint?
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| Edgy DC Jan 28 2008 11:43 AM |
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Give the devil his due. He also stood for something, and saw to it that the progress was funded. "If human embryonic stem cell research does not make you at least a little bit uncomfortable, you have not thought about it enough."That's not Bush, that's the man who first found a way to isolate human embryonic stem cells that started this controversy. He's also the man --- along with Japanese scientist Shinya Yamanaka --- who produced the breakthrough that ended the debate. We may decry policymakers with their borgeois ethical concerns, as if it scientific progeress was the ethic that trumped all ethics. But scientists have their own concerns --- Einstein, for another example --- and turn to policymakers for guidance.
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| Willets Point Jan 28 2008 11:52 AM |
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You're kidding yourself if you think only left-wingers have abortions. There's plenty of evidence of people even with hardcore anti-abortion beliefs suddenly reversing ideology when they find themselves with an unintended pregnancy.
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| Benjamin Grimm Jan 28 2008 12:01 PM |
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It's not like they were killing fetuses in order to do research on them. I would have been opposed to that. But these were embryos that were going to be destroyed anyway, because they were never going to be implanted. I don't see why fiddling with their cells is any more disturbing than whatever other means of disposal they generally use. And what's learned from those embryos could end up saving countless lives.
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| AG/DC Jan 28 2008 12:11 PM |
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The available sources of stem cells never dried up under the Bush policy.
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| metirish Jan 28 2008 12:27 PM |
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Am I wrong in thinking that G.W. Bush is in favour of stem cell research, at least in some form.
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| AG/DC Jan 28 2008 12:38 PM |
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When I went searching for that quote, I found it in Charles Krauthamer's opinion piece, summing up the debate, including a link to Bush's national speech laying out the policy.
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| seawolf17 Jan 28 2008 01:01 PM |
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I just like saying "right-wing nut job."
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| AG/DC Jan 28 2008 01:12 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 28 2008 01:20 PM |
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I could use a nut job about now.
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| metirish Jan 28 2008 01:16 PM |
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Thanks for the link, I thought I had remembered correctly. His stance caused some controversy I remember, not an easy issue at all.
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| Vic Sage Jan 28 2008 01:17 PM |
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so, if you're in the wing nut business and your looking for work, will you take the first gig that comes your way, or do you hold out for the right wing nut job?
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