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Frayed Knot Feb 13 2008 07:28 AM

I'm not really sure what the purpose of this current dog-and-pont show is. At least last time Congress could claim that they were trying to push MLB into a stronger testing policy (and could claim some influence there). But this one seems to be totally a hearing to determine which among Clemens or MacNamee is lying about the other and I don't understand why they care all that much. That said, this should be fun theatre - especially since the guest list is essentially down to the two protagonists. The best part is that not only is someone lying here but one of them is doing so SPECTACULARLY !! No nuanced difference in interpretation here, it's a choice between labeling Rajah as a hard-working, milk-drinking jock or a raging, 'roiding, bullying asshole. And, this time, the revolution will be televised.

Gwreck Feb 13 2008 07:32 AM

Apparently the building where he was to testify was evacuated this morning due to an unclaimed bag.

AG/DC Feb 13 2008 08:18 AM

Shit. That's where I left my bag.

AG/DC Feb 13 2008 08:40 AM

Meanwhile, the substance of Pettitte's affadavit is leaking like the roof of a beach house. In an affidavit for the committee, Pettitte said that Clemens told him nearly 10 years ago that he used HGH, a person familiar with the affidavit told The AP. The person spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity Tuesday because the document had not been made public. BAM! According to the person familiar with the affidavit, who said it was signed Friday night, Pettitte also said Clemens backtracked when the subject of HGH came up again in conversation in 2005, before the same House committee held the first hearing on steroids in baseball. Pettitte said in the affidavit that he asked Clemens in 2005 what he would do if asked about performance-enhancing substances, given his admission years earlier. According to the account told to the AP, the affidavit said Clemens responded by saying Pettitte misunderstood the previous exchange in 1999 or 2000 and that, in fact, Clemens had been talking about HGH use by his wife in the original conversation. Great. He's tossing the missus over to save his skin. This can get ugly. Check that. This will get ugly.

metirish Feb 13 2008 08:48 AM

Clemens tells panel " I did not use performance-enhancing drugs "... Clemens rolls out all time chestnut - " "If I am guilty of anything, it is of being too trusting of others"

metsguyinmichigan Feb 13 2008 08:50 AM

Debbie Clemens: "So, THAT'S what the underside of a Greyhound looks like."

Benjamin Grimm Feb 13 2008 09:16 AM

McNamee looks a bit like Andy Dick, doesn't he?

metirish Feb 13 2008 09:22 AM

From a Newsday blog. ] 11:23 a.m. Davis' line of questioning reads as if it's coming from a script from Rusty Hardin.

AG/DC Feb 13 2008 09:22 AM

"Mr. MacNamee injected me three times with B-12 in Toronto, twice in New York." "Mr. MacNamee, do you concur." "The first I ever heard of Roger taking him B-12 was on 60 Minutes. I have never injected Roger Clemens with B-12."

Benjamin Grimm Feb 13 2008 09:25 AM

Mr. McNamee "injected Mrs. Clemens in her bedroom."

AG/DC Feb 13 2008 09:28 AM

Caught in a lie, cover the mic, speak to the lawyer. Nice.

AG/DC Feb 13 2008 09:36 AM

Con. Burthon grilling MacNamee on why he kept the syringes. "Gee whiz, are you kidding me?!" I think it's a viable explanation.

AG/DC Feb 13 2008 09:39 AM

Burton is being a dick. He's adding up MacNamee's lies, but those lies are clearly all the ones he told when he was trying to protect the players.

AG/DC Feb 13 2008 09:42 AM

Burton is a complete ASSHOLE! He's ripping MacNamee because his lies are destroying Clemens, but the only lies he's catching MacNamee in are the lies he told defending Clemens.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 13 2008 09:43 AM

AG/DC wrote: Burton is a complete ASSHOLE! He's ripping MacNamee because his lies are destroying Clemens, but the only lies he's catching MacNamee in are the lies he told defending Clemens. He also pretends not to understand the distinction between things said under oath to Congress and to reporters from the Daily News and Newsday.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 13 2008 09:46 AM

I just hope they don't break out photos of the "palpable mass on Mr. Clemens' buttocks."

Centerfield Feb 13 2008 09:49 AM

Someone ask him about throwing at Piazza while he's under oath.

AG/DC Feb 13 2008 09:52 AM

Benjamin Grimm wrote: ="AG/DC"]Burton is a complete ASSHOLE! He's ripping MacNamee because his lies are destroying Clemens, but the only lies he's catching MacNamee in are the lies he told defending Clemens. He also pretends not to understand the distinction between things said under oath to Congress and to reporters from the Daily News and Newsday. And MacNamee is too humilated and/or unsophisticated enough to spell these distinctions out for him.

Frayed Knot Feb 13 2008 10:00 AM

Dr. Ron Taylor gets cited

AG/DC Feb 13 2008 10:00 AM

I object. Davis is calling for speculatoin.

metirish Feb 13 2008 10:02 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 13 2008 10:03 AM

Interesting , from Newsday blog. ] 11:53 a.m. Rep. Stephen F. Lynch (D-Mass) just revealed that, based on the testimony of a leading expert in MRIs, an abscess that was on Clemens' buttocks in 1998 is "more capatible with Winstrol injections" and not a B-12 shot, as Clemens insists. McNamee states he injected Clemens with steroids, which led to the abscess. (The Blue Jays handed over medical records to the committee, and Clemens' attorney on Monday handed over an MRI of that abscess after pressure from the committee, Lynch said.) Rep. Tom Davis came to Clemens' defense, saying Lynch's question was out of line. Davis' defense of Clemens is interesting; it's seems he is taking Clemens' side. 11:36 a.m. Now Rep. Dan Burton (R-Indiana) is pushing McNamee on the Canseco party, why he kept the syringes, vials, etc. Burton really went after McNamee and his history of lies. "He is a titan in baseball, and you, all these lies, are destroying him," Burton said to McNamee. There is a theme here. The Democrats are going after Clemens. The Republicans are going after McNamee. Make your own conclusions.

AG/DC Feb 13 2008 10:03 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 13 2008 10:16 AM

How many of these guys did Clemens seduce?

Frayed Knot Feb 13 2008 10:03 AM

Benjamin Grimm wrote: McNamee looks a bit like Andy Dick, doesn't he? Not as much as Henry Waxman looks like Porky Pig

Benjamin Grimm Feb 13 2008 10:06 AM

That's kind of a dis on Porky Pig, isn't it?

soupcan Feb 13 2008 10:13 AM

AG/DC wrote: ="Benjamin Grimm"] AG/DC wrote: Burton is a complete ASSHOLE! He's ripping MacNamee because his lies are destroying Clemens, but the only lies he's catching MacNamee in are the lies he told defending Clemens. He also pretends not to understand the distinction between things said under oath to Congress and to reporters from the Daily News and Newsday. And MacNamee is too humilated and/or unsophisticated enough to spell these distinctions out for him. Absolutely correct. This is great radio by the way.

Frayed Knot Feb 13 2008 10:17 AM

Benjamin Grimm wrote: That's kind of a dis on Porky Pig, isn't it? Oh absolutely. Porky's much cuter.

AG/DC Feb 13 2008 10:17 AM

Here comes Carolyn Maloney.

AG/DC Feb 13 2008 10:25 AM

David Cone brought into it.

metirish Feb 13 2008 10:26 AM

AG/DC wrote: Here comes Carolyn Maloney. Who thanks Clemens for his professional accomplishments....barf.

AG/DC Feb 13 2008 10:31 AM

Rep. Souder is a Republican who defended MacNamee's testimony. And he spits at MLB to boot. Bully, Rep. Souder.

A Boy Named Seo Feb 13 2008 10:38 AM

="metirish"] ="AG/DC"]Here comes Carolyn Maloney. Who thanks Clemens for his professional accomplishments....barf. But then she hit him with some very hard, very basic questions. Asked him why he repeatedly told peeps he never knew Mitchell wanted to talk to him when on 60 Minutes, he told Wallace he opted not to based on his lawyer's advice. Clemens then threw his agent under the bus saying he was never properly notified. She then asked him if he'd agree that his agent did him a great disservice, to which he of course, responded yes. She asked him next if he fired any of these people who kept this damaging information from him and fumbled a bit and said no. Did that next guy just ask him what hat he'll be wearing in the HOF???

AG/DC Feb 13 2008 10:40 AM

BAM, the chair just accused him of witness tampering!

metirish Feb 13 2008 10:43 AM

="A Boy Named Seo"] ="metirish"] ="AG/DC"]Here comes Carolyn Maloney. Who thanks Clemens for his professional accomplishments....barf. But then she hit him with some very hard, very basic questions. Asked him why he repeatedly told peeps he never knew Mitchell wanted to talk to him when on 60 Minutes, he told Wallace he opted not to based on his lawyer's advice. Clemens then threw his agent under the bus saying he was never properly notified. She then asked him if he'd agree that his agent did him a great disservice, to which he of course, responded yes. She asked him next if he fired any of these people who kept this damaging information from him and fumbled a bit and said no. Did that next guy just ask him what hat he'll be wearing in the HOF??? Jim Baumbach doing the blog on Newsday says Maloney " just caught Clemens in another potential perjury moment" with that line of questioning.... ] She got Clemens to agree that he told Mike Wallace on 60 Minutes that he did not speak to former Senator George Mitchell because he was advised by his lawyers not to. But in his deposition with the committee investigators, Clemens said six times that he did not know Mitchell wanted to speak to him. "I had no idea Senator Mitchell wanted to speak to me," he said in his deposition.

A Boy Named Seo Feb 13 2008 10:44 AM

Rog: "I'm hurt by that statement. I was just doin' ya'll a favor."

AG/DC Feb 13 2008 10:45 AM

His lawyers freak out. Nice.

A Boy Named Seo Feb 13 2008 10:50 AM

Roger's having a hell of a time trying to answer why he continually employed this guy who is supposedly a real scum bag. He's stammering and stumbling his way through this one...

Mr. Zero Feb 13 2008 10:53 AM

"Mr, Clemens, I'm sure you are going to heaven" I couldn't tell, was that supposed to be sarcastic?

AG/DC Feb 13 2008 10:54 AM

Eleanor is a tough nut to crack, but I think so.

Rockin' Doc Feb 13 2008 11:16 AM

metsguyinmichigan - Debbie Clemens: "So, THAT'S what the underside of a Greyhound looks like." Thanks for the laugh. The longer Clemens is questioned the more crowded it's going to be under that bus. He's already tossed his agent under the wheels and I won't be surprised if former teammates and some of his legal team eventually end up keeping Debbie company.

AG/DC Feb 13 2008 11:18 AM

Sports Illustrated's Richard Deitsch from his blog: Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-NY) thanks Clemens for "all he has done for New York." Gee, I didn't know Suzyn Waldman was in Congress.

AG/DC Feb 13 2008 11:24 AM

Not only has Pettite's affadavit dug Roger in deeper. But Pettitte's wife has also backed that up with an affadavit of her own. Sign Pettitte NOW!!!!

themetfairy Feb 13 2008 11:28 AM

Roger is selling out Debbie on the stand? This is one Valentine's Day when flowers and chocolate just aren't going to do the trick.

AG/DC Feb 13 2008 11:29 AM

Hello Fitness Friends! I have always been reluctant to tell others what I think would be best for them. I only know what works for me and I stay disciplined to that plan of action. I am happy to share what I have learned over the years with you in hopes that you will take this information and insight and develop a plan of “what works” that suits your lifestyle. As a wife and mother, keeping in shape is difficult with all the commitments, distractions and schedules that require nurturing and time. It’s easy to put yourself on a back burner. Work with these things, not against them. Find ways to mix your kids activities with your workouts and find other mothers that want to do the same. I have always been the type of person that never allowed myself to be more than 5 lbs overweight, knowing that 10 lbs was really hard to lose. I use my workouts to release stress and improve my focus and thinking. Because I love to eat, I have always worked out. I never wanted to deprive myself of something I wanted to eat, therefore, that determined how much I worked out. I would be eating something and it will be so good that I would have ” just one more bite”. I still do that today. The difference is that I have found a way to eat everyday to keep my energy up and not gain weight that fits my lifestyle. Believe me, it’s not easy. Everything worth doing is worth doing well. Effort must be put into it. You can have hope and expectation, but you must put the energy into it to reap the rewards. I believe you have to challenge yourself by setting goals. I have always participated in the goals that my children and husband have for themselves. I always talk to my husband and children about their goals, listened and supported them in their dreams. What I did not realize was that my children were growing up fast and that I was not setting goals for myself. I thought about the seasons of my own life. Roger came to me one day and told me that we had been asked to do a photo shoot for Sports Illustrated. I had major anxiety! I was a 39-year-old mother of 4! Once I realized that this WAS going to be a reality, I decided I had to give it everything I had. My mind was set. I am not a risk taker, but have since learned that with great risk, sometimes comes great reward. The responses from that experience have been wonderful and I feel it was a turning point in my life. It’s nice to have a goal for yourself and to see it through. The goal kept me motivated and focused. Using common sense and my ability to balance my life, I achieved that goal. You can look forward to frequent updates so make sure that you continue to check back! Best Wishes, Debbie Clemens

86-Dreamer Feb 13 2008 11:35 AM

Centerfield wrote: Someone ask him about throwing at Piazza while he's under oath. I watched about 15 minutes while eating lunch. With all the talk about nannies, parties, illicit drug use, rape, perjury, yadda yadda, all I really wanted to here was Clemens sworn testimony about why he threw that damn bat at Piazza.

metirish Feb 13 2008 11:37 AM

themetfairy wrote: Roger is selling out Debbie on the stand? This is one Valentine's Day when flowers and chocolate just aren't going to do the trick. Oh damn that's brilliant

A Boy Named Seo Feb 13 2008 11:38 AM

USA! USA! America! Fuck Yeah! I love you, Roger!

AG/DC Feb 13 2008 11:38 AM

Oh, damn, he's citing his willingness to pitch for Team USA.

metirish Feb 13 2008 11:47 AM

Newsday..... ] So the most interesting aspects of this so far, off the top of my head, in no particular order ... Clemens' nanny says Clemens was at the Canseco house, while Clemens says he wasn't ... The nanny also says Clemens contacted her prior to handing over her name and number to the committee, giving the appearance of "impropriety" ... Backs up McNamee there.... ]1:45 p.m. Rep. Bruce L. Braley (D-Iowa) just basically gave a shoutout to his son who's sick at home watching the hearing on ESPN.

A Boy Named Seo Feb 13 2008 11:52 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 13 2008 12:03 PM

McNamee looks like Eminem in 20 years.

AG/DC Feb 13 2008 12:01 PM

SI's Tom Verducci: "Stephen F. Lynch (D-Ma) was a star of the last congressional hearing when he pushed baseball on therapeutic use exemptions. And the congressman came up big again when he showed that rather than get involved in grandstanding, he went out and did his homework to be prepared for the hearing. Lynch and his staff studied an MRI report from Clemens' days in Toronto, regarding an abscess, and consulted with medical experts. In one case Lynch redacted Clemens' name and had a medical expert examine the MRI report. The doctor's findings show that Clemens' buttocks problem appeared not to have anything to do with B-12 shots or a strain, but were more consistent with steroid injections. 'Given the physical evidence, [it] seems consistent with what Mr. McNamee is saying,' Lynch told Clemens. Dr. Ron Taylor, the Toronto physician, told Lynch that he gave 'close to one thousand B-12 shots' and never had such a complication. Asked about it, Clemens basically called out Taylor as either being wrong or incompetent. 'If he gave me a bad shot he gave me a bad shot,' Clemens said."

Mr. Zero Feb 13 2008 12:07 PM

looks like Debs through herself under the bus. what a gal!

AG/DC Feb 13 2008 12:08 PM

Must do work.

metirish Feb 13 2008 12:16 PM

Un-fucking-real . from Stark's blog. ] 2:09 p.m. ET Could the Rocket be investigated for illegal B-12 use, too? Sounds like it isn't out of the question, after Rep. Bruce Braley asked him whether he had been diagnosed with anemia, senile dementia or Alzheimer's. Or whether he was a vegetarian or a vegan. They were moving along nicely till the vegan stuff came up. "I don't know what that is," Clemens replied. "I'm sorry." Sheez, and we had him pegged as a closet vegan, too. Turns out, Braley informed him, those are the only approved medical reasons for anyone to get a B-12 injection. Really? Then blame Roger's mother. "My mother in 1988 suggested I take B-12," Clemens said. "I always assumed it was a good thing, not a bad thing." Fortunately, Rep. Darrell Issa jumped in to defend both Clemens' mother and B-12 -- and not a moment too soon. Issa said his own mother had taken B-12 shots, and that it couldn't hurt you and might help you. If that's the case, it's surprising no one has ever injected chicken soup on the advice of their mother.

A Boy Named Seo Feb 13 2008 12:26 PM

Rep. Cummings to Clemens: "You're one of my heroes, but it's hard to believe you."

soupcan Feb 13 2008 12:27 PM

Hey Congressman Shays (R-CT)! My Congressman! Make me proud Chris.

AG/DC Feb 13 2008 12:31 PM

I like Shays. He dudn't do so hot last time, though.

soupcan Feb 13 2008 12:32 PM

Borrrrring Chris - thanks for nothing. Don't bother asking for my vote at the next first grade girls soccer game.

Methead Feb 13 2008 12:41 PM

Shays = dick. I have a funny story I can share another time, in another thread. Carry on.

AG/DC Feb 13 2008 12:48 PM

Elijah Cummins = American hero

Willets Point Feb 13 2008 12:55 PM

="AG/DC"]SI's Tom Verducci: "Stephen F. Lynch (D-Ma) was a star of the last congressional hearing when he pushed baseball on therapeutic use exemptions. My rep. I've been asking to work on ending war and torture. I'll have to give his office a call.

metirish Feb 13 2008 01:39 PM

Is that it for today?, impressions on who made out best.

metsguyinmichigan Feb 13 2008 02:26 PM

AG/DC wrote: Gee, I didn't know Suzyn Waldman was in Congress. OH MY GAWD! WOGER CLEMENS IS AT THE WITNESS TABLE! You know Suzy is curled up in the fetal position today, "Why, Woger, Why?"

AG/DC Feb 13 2008 02:28 PM

Mel Blanc is all over this thread.

Rockin' Doc Feb 13 2008 04:25 PM

Steve Phillips on ESPN's Baseball Tonight - "....based on my years around Major League Baseball and what we saw and heard in the hearing today, I believe Brian McNamee and not Roger Clemens."

Rockin' Doc Feb 13 2008 05:02 PM

After Day one of the Congressional hearings Clemens appears to be losing the battle for public opinion. According to a poll by ESPN, respondents have voted by better than a 2 to 1 margin that they believe Roger Clemens did take PEDs. Broken down by states, the majority of respondents in all 50 states and the District of Columbia have all voted that Clemens took PEDs.

SteveJRogers Feb 13 2008 05:14 PM

metsguyinmichigan wrote: ="AG/DC"]Gee, I didn't know Suzyn Waldman was in Congress. OH MY GAWD! WOGER CLEMENS IS AT THE WITNESS TABLE! You know Suzy is curled up in the fetal position today, "Why, Woger, Why?" Heh, not only did she come off as a bad shill when she made her infamous "OH MY GOODNESS GRACIOUS" call, but she then took all the criticism of her and made it seem that everyone was attacking women in the sports media in general (as well as her breaking down because it appeared that Torre was speaking as Yankee skipper for the final time). So, not only did Clemens not deliver a performance worthy of her over-the-top, almost pro-wrestler announcer-esque delivery of the return moment and failed to finish in his final start, but he turns out to be a complete cheat and a liar. In other words, THIS is whom Suyzn pretty much gave up a huge part of her credibility as a reporter for?

A Boy Named Seo Feb 13 2008 05:44 PM

Awesome.

Nymr83 Feb 13 2008 06:19 PM

nice chart. fat fucks.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 14 2008 12:26 PM

Ewwww, I hadn't thought of this... The following is pasted from MSNBC.com's home page: One of Brian McNamee’s lawyers predicts Roger Clemens will be pardoned by President Bush, saying some Republicans treated his client harshly because of the pitcher’s friendship with the Bush family. I guess, since Roger Clemens has, strangely, become another partisan issue, it's reasonable to speculate that Bush would take the pro-Roger anti-Brian stance.

AG/DC Feb 14 2008 12:28 PM

I'll say no way.

sharpie Feb 14 2008 12:30 PM

Read somewhere today that Roger built a horseshoe court (court?) at GHW Bush's ranch.

Nymr83 Feb 14 2008 03:50 PM

what a load of crap. there isnt a scintilla of evidence that Bush has or intends to have anything to do with this.

metsmarathon Feb 14 2008 05:45 PM

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2008-02-14-clemens-pardon_N.htm ]Roger Clemens can expect a pardon from President Bush if the seven-time Cy Young Award winner is ever pursued for lying to federal officials, a lawyer involved in Wednesday's hearing told USA TODAY. "It would be a prospective pardon," Richard Emery, one of the lawyers for Clemens accuser Brian McNamee said Thursday. "They're perfectly legal and it would be typical of the George Bush White House. We'd expect Bush to call Clemens a 'historic figure' who has done so much for this country and then let him off." Clemens is a close friend of the first President Bush, even building a horseshoe pit at his Texas home at the suggestion of the former president. But even if he has a relationship with the family, that doesn't guarantee Clemens would get off the hook. and yes, it is just silly to think that bush would grant him a pardon... but not to wonder why it was such a painfully partisan affair. but, if it was less split down party lines, and especially if hte party lines didnt split the way they had, then it wouldn't even be necessary to wonder why the split split the way it did.

metirish Feb 14 2008 07:00 PM

Well Bush can't pardon him into the HOF and as much as Clemens says he doesn't care about the HOF that is just bullshit, remember when he retired one of those times he remarked that with his Mom being so sick he wanted her to see him enter into the HOF and that five years for her was a long time.

Nymr83 Feb 14 2008 07:06 PM

Russo made a great point about the hall today, if Clemens and Bonds both don't play this year they'll be up for election the first time together. both were locks to receive 100% of the vote absent steroid issues, so we get to ansewr some questions by comparing what happens to the two of them.

metirish Feb 14 2008 07:11 PM

I doubt one goes on and the other doesn't, what if Piazza retires and out of the three only he gets in, that would be cool.

Nymr83 Feb 14 2008 09:15 PM

even if they both get in the percentages will still be telling. When Clemens gets 85% and Bonds 75% or the other way around that when you have to ask what 10% of the writers were smoking

metsguyinmichigan Feb 14 2008 09:32 PM

Nymr83 wrote: both were locks to receive 100% of the vote absent steroid issues, so we get to ansewr some questions by comparing what happens to the two of them. There will never be a 100 percent vote. There will always be some writer who likes the attention, and will trot out some lame excuse. I remember one of the morons who didn't vote for Seaver said he just never votes for someone in their first year. I thought Ripken had an outside shot only because everyone loved the guy.

AG/DC Feb 14 2008 10:44 PM

How can anybody be a lock to receive 100% when that's never been done?

Centerfield Feb 15 2008 06:58 AM

metsguyinmichigan wrote: ="Nymr83"] both were locks to receive 100% of the vote absent steroid issues, so we get to ansewr some questions by comparing what happens to the two of them. There will never be a 100 percent vote. There will always be some writer who likes the attention, and will trot out some lame excuse. I remember one of the morons who didn't vote for Seaver said he just never votes for someone in their first year. I thought Ripken had an outside shot only because everyone loved the guy. Those writers should be immediately stripped of their vote.

AG/DC Feb 15 2008 07:19 AM

That doesn't bother me. There's always outliers and we shouldn't worry about them. Replace them and there will be others. The important thing is that the system is strong enough to absorb and sublimate them. And it more or less is. It's like this guy I know who thinks the hat dot is a greater concern than the black jerseys and hats.

themetfairy Feb 15 2008 08:19 AM

Jon Stewart was great on last night's The Daily Show. This is a little long, but worth it -

Benjamin Grimm Feb 22 2008 11:37 AM

According to this morning's Daily News, apparently somebody has a photo of Roger Clemens at that 1998 Jose Canseco barbecue that he's denied having attended. The photo was taken by a kid who was 11 at the time.

AG/DC Feb 22 2008 11:47 AM

Please tell me the photo was time- and date-stamped

Benjamin Grimm Feb 22 2008 11:50 AM

Not that I know of. But if it was one of a bunch of photos taken that day, then combined with the others it could establish that it was that party. It could be recognizable as Canseco's house, and the presence of others in the photos could narrow it down to that date. Maybe.

AG/DC Feb 22 2008 12:14 PM

"If I am guilty of anything, it is of being too trusting of everyone, wanting to see the best in everyone and being too nice to everyone."

Nymr83 Feb 22 2008 12:21 PM

I'd love to see the guy with the photos called before Congress so Clemens can call an 11 year old kid who was just happy to take pictures of ball players a liar.

MFS62 Feb 22 2008 12:36 PM

I'm still amazed that not one member of the committee has tried to associate the (shard of) bat throwing incident with "'roid rage". Later

Benjamin Grimm Feb 22 2008 12:39 PM

That would be showing disrespect to a titan.

Nymr83 Feb 22 2008 12:47 PM

they should bring it up just as an example of his inability to tell the truth.

metirish Feb 22 2008 12:53 PM

I wonder what Dan Duquette thinks about all this , would he feel vindicated in any way, should he. The guy was creamed for not signing Clemens, especially with the Cy Young awards that came.

Triple Dee Feb 22 2008 08:29 PM

Nymr83 wrote: I'd love to see the guy with the photos called before Congress so Clemens can call an 11 year old kid who was just happy to take pictures of ball players a liar. No, he'll say: "I think the 11 year old kid misremembers taking the photo."

86-Dreamer Feb 22 2008 08:37 PM

It was a family party during the daytime. Even McNamee does not even claim to have overheard the conversation. Why dig himself such a hole by saying he was never there? It is comical how poorly he and his attorney have handled this whole situation.

SteveJRogers Feb 22 2008 08:51 PM

86-Dreamer wrote: It was a family party during the daytime. Even McNamee does not even claim to have overheard the conversation. Why dig himself such a hole by saying he was never there? It is comical how poorly he and his attorney have handled this whole situation. I do love how, before the hearing, the ardent Clemens supporters were going on and on about how that was exactly HOW one should react in this situation, rather than what Bonds has done, when in fact it really isn't the best way to go about claiming your innocence at all!

AG/DC Feb 22 2008 10:10 PM

I haven't met any ardent Clemens supporters.

Frayed Knot Feb 23 2008 06:41 AM

I think Steve's roundabout point is that Bonds was seen as guilty by many due to the fact that he theatened to, but never did sue, the authors for spreading those "lies" about him in their book and never really sought out the media to deny his use. Clemens, on the other hand, did exactly what Bonds was critisized for NOT doing yet is still seen as guilty. The problem with Roger's strategy is that if you're going to take that road you have to have the truth on your side in order for it to work -- especially when the news comes out this morning that lawyer Hardin now admits that ... well, maybe Roger WAS at that party.

metirish Feb 23 2008 07:43 AM

SteveJRogers Feb 23 2008 07:49 AM

AG/DC wrote: I haven't met any ardent Clemens supporters. That's mostly because you can't hear the blather on NYC sports radio. Specifically Michael Kay, though he changed his tune after the hearing, but some callers are actually still supporting Clemens! Sad but true.

themetfairy Feb 23 2008 07:55 AM

Roger Clemens - the gift that keeps on giving....

Centerfield Feb 23 2008 09:04 AM

"You see, Roger was a bit confused. At the time he was there, he believed that the party was the ball..."

AG/DC Feb 23 2008 10:46 AM

SteveJRogers wrote: ="AG/DC"]I haven't met any ardent Clemens supporters. That's mostly because you can't hear the blather on NYC sports radio. Specifically Michael Kay, though he changed his tune after the hearing, but some callers are actually still supporting Clemens! Sad but true. I can. I choose not to.

Nymr83 Feb 23 2008 12:00 PM

]That's mostly because you can't hear the blather on NYC sports radio ]I can. I choose not to. "Always a good decision"

Rockin' Doc Feb 23 2008 06:10 PM

I'm surprised that Hardin didn't simply say that Rager had "misremembered".

SteveJRogers Feb 24 2008 08:28 AM

Nymr83 wrote: ]That's mostly because you can't hear the blather on NYC sports radio ]I can. I choose not to. "Always a good decision" What can I say, I like a good laugh during the day. BTW, according to the Snooze's Raissman, [url=http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/columnists/raissman/index.html]Al Leiter is still among the Clemens apologists. [/url]

AG/DC Feb 24 2008 12:20 PM

Those comments after the article --- is that what it's like listening to the radio?

Frayed Knot Feb 25 2008 08:39 PM

[url=http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/26/sports/baseball/26clemens.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin]NYTimes[/url]: A Congressional committee has taken the first steps toward asking the Department of Justice to start a criminal investigation into whether Roger Clemens committed perjury during testimony about performance-enhancing drugs, according to three lawyers with knowledge of the matter. So Rog, how's that scorched earth strategy working out for ya so far?

metirish Feb 26 2008 12:48 PM

Benjamin Grimm Feb 26 2008 12:59 PM

It amuses me that he might go to jail because he talked about a boob job at a barbecue ten years ago!

MFS62 Feb 26 2008 04:22 PM

Birds of a Feather: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2008/02/26/2008-02-26_bruce_hurst_still_a_rocket_booster.html That guy, like Clemens, were drafted by the Mets, but chose not to sign and return to school. Supply your own punchlines . Later