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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Feb 11 2008 09:05 AM

So you may have heard 101.9 last Tuesday at 4pm abruptly switched from the mindnumbing smooth jazz sounds of cd101.9 to WRXP, "New York's rock experience."

I listened at the gym this weekend and was, if not excited or anything, happy to know someone had the sense to see the gaping chasm between the oldies Hits (CBS) and boring "Classic Rock" (104.3) formats, and lay tracks through it. I don't even consider 92.3 to be in the discussion anymore for my purposes: I'm too old, and that station is so busy contorting itself to be whatever they think is hip they barely realize their demographic don't even own radios.

Yeah so 101.9 seems to be supplement its predictable classic/oldie crap by mixing in "Radio Free Europe" and "Radio Nowhere" which is good when you're on the tredmill and can't stand to hear "Light My Fire" one more time. And I realize this like all radio formats is destined to go stale, I thought it weas cool that their promos consisted of "man on the street" interview snippets discussing the rock-radio graveyard of NY (99X, PLJ, PLR, NEW, etc etc)

[url:3iixm6jf]http://www.1019rxp.com/[/url:3iixm6jf]

AG/DC
Feb 11 2008 09:22 AM

Sounds like you have a version of what in DC is called 94.3, The Globe, discussed in anonther thread.

While the additon of fine 80s acts hip-checking Lynyrd Skynyrd and Bad Company off the playlist is refreshing, they still dip way to shallowly into the catalogs. And I wouldn't blink if nobody ever played the Doors or Floyd ever again. "Light My Fire" can just ruin my day.

metirish
Feb 11 2008 09:25 AM

I'll give it a listen later when I'm down in the garage, had the tuner set to 92.3 lately and for the first time in years and realised that it's the same music they are playing when I first tuned in in 1994/95.

101.9 doesn't have a listen live online feature yet.

soupcan
Feb 11 2008 10:07 AM

Thanks for the tip Lunchables, I'll tune it in.


="AG/DC":12an8n9a]"Light My Fire" can just ruin my day.[/quote:12an8n9a]

'L.A. Woman' different story though.

themetfairy
Feb 11 2008 10:38 AM

D-Dad isn't going to be happy about this - he was a big fan of CD101.9.

The Philly smooth jazz station was off the air for a while, but it's come back as 97.5 (after buying out the bandwidth from a Trenton/West Windsor NJ station).

sharpie
Feb 11 2008 11:03 AM

Doctor's waiting rooms throughout the tri-state area are panicking.

Rockin' Doc
Feb 11 2008 11:10 AM

Tell the docs it's okay to rock.

AG/DC
Feb 11 2008 11:26 AM

="soupcan":85a1yk5j]Thanks for the tip Lunchables, I'll tune it in.
="AG/DC":85a1yk5j]"Light My Fire" can just ruin my day.[/quote:85a1yk5j] 'L.A. Woman' different story though.[/quote:85a1yk5j]

Only a little.

Gwreck
Feb 11 2008 02:53 PM

Thanks for the heads-up, will give it a try.

The best NY-area radio station is, IMO, 107.1 "The Peak" which is out of Westchester. Not a strong signal, can't really get it in Brooklyn but if you're in the Bronx/Westchester it should be doable. Sort of a deep-cuts of "classic artists" with mix of new artists station.

HahnSolo
Feb 12 2008 09:43 AM

Listened to 101.9 on the way home last night for a little while channel surfing.

Heard:
The Cars Just What I Needed
New Eddie Vedder solo song (can't remember the title)
AC DC
U2 deep cut (One Tree Hill)

That's a pretty good mix. I've added to my programmed stations in the car, and will give it another shot

AG/DC
Feb 12 2008 09:52 AM

Cool thing about The Globe, who may well be getting their programming from the same computer as this outlet, is that they're big on the first two Cars records, and rightfully ignore their video-era disposables.

AG/DC
Feb 12 2008 09:53 AM
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soupcan
Feb 12 2008 09:58 AM

I listened to it last night as well and heard Talking Heads' 'Life During Wartime' and something else I can't remember.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Feb 12 2008 10:10 AM

I read up on the Globe. If you can belieeve it, it's a "green radio" format owned by CBS radio that tries to hook onto the whole "green" lifestyle as exhibited by Whole Foods (meaning, being envirnmentally aware = lots of $$ to spend // or, spending lots of $$ = exhibiting "green" behavior. CVery clever.

101.9 is owned by Emmis.

My guess would be that beaten-up 92.3 K-rock tries the "globe" formula in NYC. It's also owned by CBS, and never recovered from Howard Stern's departure. Though I also heard they might go "country."

AG/DC
Feb 12 2008 10:19 AM

Yeah, the Green shit is ridiculous. The newsreaders include a segment of "green news" every morning, as well as green tips, and attempt to sound earnest when they have no idea what the source or credibility of their information is.

Frayed Knot
Feb 12 2008 10:37 AM

="AG/DC":1dgkscwf]The newsreaders include a segment of "green news" every morning, as well as green tips, and attempt to sound earnest when they have no idea what the source or credibility of their information is.[/quote:1dgkscwf]

Sorta like NBC

Vic Sage
Feb 12 2008 01:20 PM

="Gwreck":3k1v1v1l]Thanks for the heads-up, will give it a try. The best NY-area radio station is, IMO, 107.1 "The Peak" which is out of Westchester. Not a strong signal, can't really get it in Brooklyn but if you're in the Bronx/Westchester it should be doable. Sort of a deep-cuts of "classic artists" with mix of new artists station.[/quote:3k1v1v1l]

So 101.9 is rock, but not "oldies or classic rock". Since "classic" stations now incorporate alot of 80s, that basically leaves rock from the 1990s - present, right?

"The Peak" mixes that in with "classic" and "oldies", too. And not just the usual suspects... as Gwreck accurately stated, they'll play deep cuts, and then play modern stuff that is clearly influenced by the older stuff. Its like a college radio station, without the pretension, amateurishness and ocasional hours of chinese gongs and sitar music.

The Peak is the only station i listen to, other than FAN. I just wish it had a stronger signal.

p.s. - oh, and I'll listen to THE DOORS and FLOYD happily, til the day i die.

AG/DC
Feb 12 2008 01:26 PM

Yeah, I know.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Feb 12 2008 01:40 PM

The 2 stations you described are actually quite alike.

101.09 does play some "classic" -- uh... from their web page here's their first 10 songs and the messages they are sending you, the listener:

1, Rock n Roll -- Velvet Underground
message: We have New York integrity and underground cred; we know our place in history

2. Supernatural Superserious (new single from forthcoming REM album)
messsage: We play what critics love; we play new music; wee play crap you might not have even heard before

3. Pump it Up -- Elvis Costello
message: If were CBS 101, we'd have played "Veronica"; if we were 104.3, we'd have played "Alison"

4. Mary Jane's Last Dance -- Tom Petty
message: We can also bore you with standard fare. We're versatile that way!

5. Call Me -- Blondie
message: We're beyond the does-liking-this-disco-song-make-me-gay?-OK-better-not-just-in-case phobias of your classic rock station.

6. Believe -- The Bravery
message: We shamelessly play new bands that shamelessly reference the old bands we shamelessly play

7. Blinded by the Light -- Springsteen
message: We agree with you, Mr. Listener, that the first two Springsteen albums are under-represented on radio

8. Do You Realize -- Flaming Lips
message: We can be "alternative" with integrity

9. Angel of Harlem -- U2
message: We can be mainstream with integrity

10. Rockstar -- Nickelback
message: We suck

AG/DC
Feb 12 2008 01:48 PM

Choosing a song from the first two Springsteen alba (that's right, i said "alba") that didn't go to number one as a Manfred Mann cover would have been a more reasonable response to Mr. Listener.

Question: Is "Call Me" disco? That bass line is used in a lot of songs, though the only one coming to mind is "Let the Day Begin" by the Call.

Did your band play "Call Me" at Shea? Bet they did.

sharpie
Feb 12 2008 02:43 PM

104.3 plays "Pump It Up" in fairly heavy rotation. Playing "Watching the Detectives" or "Accidents Will Happen" would achieve the same point better. Songs 11-13 (the final 3 listed songs are):
11.Red Hot Chili Peppers - Zephyr Song
12.The Black Crowes - Hard To Handle
13.The Killers - Somebody Told Me

I would've turned it off after the U2 song. That being said, I have a free button or so on my car radio and it'll join the pantheon.

AG/DC
Feb 13 2008 08:31 PM

You know the radio is being programmed by a robot when they have a chance to play one of the 200 good Tom Petty songs and instead play "Mary Jane's Last Dance."

To paraphrase Del Spooner in <i>I, Robot</i>, A human being picks "Listen to Her Heart" every time.

AG/DC
Sep 08 2008 05:12 PM

Just when I'm thinking, "You know, I've been waking up to way too much 'Feel Like Making Love' and 'Cold as Ice' for my open-hearted tastes," I reailize the 94.7 (The Globe) DJ has been saying "Classic Rock" in place of "World-Class Rock" for a few weeks now. Jerkweeds did a bait-and-switch and the Classic-Progressive hybrid is dead in DC.

Gwreck
Sep 08 2008 11:31 PM

101.9 seems to be still going strong. The morning DJ is now Matt Pinfield (former MTV guy from when they still played music) and apparently has the cred to get lots of interviews of fairly important people in the morning. They still play a good mix of new and old. They do special features on unsigned bands from the tri-state area and a bunch of other stuff. He's a huge Springsteen fan to boot which of course earns him a couple of bonus points from me.

Disclaimer:
101.9 has become my shower-station. I turn on the radio and get in the shower. The station is so un-sucky that it remains on for shave and getting dressed, so my opinion is based on about 20 minutes of listening every day for the past 6 months.

AG/DC
Sep 23 2008 09:49 PM

Not one but two oldies stations in New Mexico, playing with a classic WCBS-FM breadth. Cha said they don't go deep into catalogs, but I pontificated about breadth, not depth being the point. That CBS would be the ones so celebratory of the history of top 40 that they'd be the only ones not to bury "Moonlight Feels Right" by Starbuck, which I heard on one of the New Mexico stations, perhaps for the first time since 1976.

I wonder if it made the G-FaFiF Top 500.

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Anyhow, that cardinal virtue was offset by that same station (or maybe the other) the next day commiting a cardinal sin by playing "Just What I Needed" by the Cars:

<blockquote>"I dont mind you comin' here
And wasting all my time
'Cause when youre standin' oh so near
I kinda lose my mind, yeah
Its not the perfume that you wear
Its not the ribbons in your hair
And I dont mind you hangin' out!
And talkin in your sleep!"</blockquote>Did you pick up on it? I sure did! In order, likley, to meet their quota of songs per hour, or just their nu wave quota, they edited the song between lines six and seven to cut from verse one to verse two, shitcanning 45 seconds and a Greg Hawkes synth interlude and ruining the dramatic pacing of the song. It felt awful to hear, wondering if I was the only one in the Albuquerque listening area to know or care. It was like Benjamin Orr dying all over again.

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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Mar 10 2009 01:02 PM

K-Rock dead. ... Almost.

They go to 92.3 Now! (thank god! A hit music station!) starting at 5 pm Wednesday, completing the nosedive it began when they lost the nerve to fight for Howard Stern's right to make me laugh five years ago or so.

Opie & Anthony have been whacked.

The station veered back and forth between rock, "classic rock" and "new rock" so frequently I'm not sure what they're doing currently but being an old-school dork who runs with a portable terrestrial radio it will suck not to have another option (and will give Q-104.3 every reason to stay as boring as ever).

G-Fafif
Mar 10 2009 01:16 PM

="AG/DC":1p5iwk4f]..."Moonlight Feels Right" by Starbuck, which I heard on one of the new Mexico stations, perhaps for the first time since 1976. I wonder if it made the G-FaFiF Top 500.[/quote:1p5iwk4f]

No. 240.

Full list always available [url=http://faithandfear.blogharbor.com/blog/_archives/2006/12/31/2608790.html:1p5iwk4f]here[/url:1p5iwk4f].

Edgy DC
Mar 10 2009 01:33 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 10 2009 07:05 PM

"Moonlight Feels Right" was like the soundtrack of our family ski trip in 1975. By 1976, I never heard it again. I asked my brother what the song was and he didn't know what I was talking about. He asked me to quote some lyrics, but all I remembered was "I'll take you on a trip inside the ocean" and something about something being "great!" He insisted I was talking about "Rock the Boat." I insisted he was an idiot.

As the years passed, the song continued to hold a solid chunk of real estate in my mind. Every few years, I would ask a group of folks about a song from 1975. "You break! Dada-da-da, dadadada-da / So great! Dada-da-da, dadadada-da!" They'd look at me like I was insane and reconsider our friendship as I babbled about "I'll take you on a trip inside the ocean."

I eventually figured I had imagined the song, and stopped bringing it up in the interest of preserving social relations. But it would not die. In later years I would post those lyrical snippets to the internet and come up empty. It wasn't until my honeymoon that the mystery was solved and my mind could rest after over 30 years of searching. It may be my favorite wedding present.

G-Fafif
Mar 10 2009 01:50 PM

And here I am, between the '70s channels of Music Choice and XM, hearing "Moonlight Feels Right" about three times per week the last five years -- and being quite giddy about it every time.

It was a hit in the late spring and early summer of '76, making your ski trip either very long or slightly futuristic (or perhaps in the company of A&R people).

Make the tide rise again.

Edgy DC
Mar 10 2009 01:52 PM

Might have my long car trips conflated.

G-Fafif
Mar 10 2009 01:57 PM

I still conflate Mike Bruhert and Mardie Cornejo.

themetfairy
Mar 10 2009 02:21 PM

It's better than our family trip of 2000, when the kids were into Radio Disney and we heard The Hampster Dance constantly.

Edgy DC
Mar 10 2009 02:35 PM

I think I'm going to author a wikipedia article about Starbuck. Here's the official version from www.moonlightfeelsright.com. Very yachty rocky.

<blockquote><table align="right"><tr><td align="center"><font size="1"><img src="http://www.moonlightfeelsright.com/images/bruce-small.jpg"><br>Bruce Blackman</td></tr></table>Formed in Atlanta in 1974, Starbuck was the brainchild of Bruce Blackman and Bo Wagner. A native of Greenville, Mississippi, Blackman’s musical career dated back to the mid-60s when he formed Eternity’s Children, a group that included future Starbuck members Bo Wagner and Johnny Walker. After scoring a top 100 hit with “Mrs. Bluebird” in 1968 and appearances on American Bandstand, Bruce left the group and moved to Atlanta in 1969.

Blackman, Wagner and Walker teamed up again in 1972 in Atlanta and assembled the group, “Mississippi” that also included Jerome Olds on vocals, Ricky Keller on bass and Chris Seymour on drums. After recording an album with producer Gary Paxton in Nashville (the album was never released), the group once again morphed into Blackman and Wagner. Wagner spent 1973 serving as musical director for Liberace while Blackman worked on his songwriting skills.

<table align="left"><tr><td align="center"><font size="1"><img src="http://www.moonlightfeelsright.com/images/cashbox-small.jpg"><br><i>Cashbox</i> magazine, 1976</td></tr></table>In March of 1974, Wagner returned to Atlanta and recruited vocalist Elgin Wells, keyboardist Sloan Hayes, drummer David Snavely and bassist Jimmy Cobb into a group called “Extravanganza.” Blackman “officially” joined this lineup a few weeks later, although he had been working with Bo while the group was assembled.

Bo and Bruce rented a 7-bedroom house in Marietta, GA and used the great room as a rehearsal hall and recording studio. In April of 1974, the band recorded a demo of “Moonlight Feels Right” written by Bruce Blackman. After Atlanta music mogul Bill Lowery heard the song, he offered to sign the band to record “Moonlight Feels Right” and 3 other songs written by Blackman. Elgin Wells then decided to leave the group because Lowery did not want the group to record any of the songs written by Elgin. He was replaced with Tommy Strain on guitar and Ron Norris on vocals and the group began playing around the Atlanta area using the name Starbuck while continuing to record for Lowery at Studio 1 in Doraville.

<table align="right"><tr><td align="center"><font size="1"><img src="http://www.moonlightfeelsright.com/images/bruce_douglas-small.jpg"><br>Mike Douglas Show, 1977</td></tr></table>In July 1975, Private Stock Records, a NYC company, signed the group to a single deal for “Moonlight Feels Right.” The song was released in September of 1975 and failed to garner any airplay. Then, in the spring of 1976, Mike St. John at WERC in Birmingham, Alabama started playing “Moonlight” and the song soon vaulted to the top of the national and international charts, selling over 3 million copies.

Just as “Moonlight Feels Right” was re-released in 1976, Tommy Strain, Ron Norris and David Snavely left the group and were replaced with David Shaver, keyboards, Ken Crysler, drums and Daryl Kutz, guitar. Later Kutz was replaced by Johnny Walker on guitar.

Starbuck toured from 1976 to 1980 with some of the great names of the era. (KC & the Sunshine Band, ELO, Hall & Oates, Seals & Croft, Boston). They hit the top 40 with 2 songs, “Moonlight Feels Right” and “Everybody Be Dancin,” cracked the top 100 with 5 songs, recorded 3 albums and appeared on numerous TV shows including American Bandstand, Merv Griffin, Dinah Shore, Mike Douglas, Peter Marshall, and Solid Gold. The band broke up in 1980 but Bo Wagner and Bruce Blackman continued recording together until 1984 when the two long-time partners decided to pursue other business interests.

Today Blackman serves as CEO of his own music publishing and production companies. He is producing an album project on his daughter Sarah along with writing and producing for several other artists. He is affiliated with Sony/ATV and is busy working on several movie soundtrack projects. Wagner’s whereabouts are unknown. The other members of Starbuck continue to perform at various venues in the Atlanta area.
<table align="center"><tr><td><img src="http://www.moonlightfeelsright.com/images/sb_grey2-small.jpg"></td></tr></table></blockquote>That's the story they want you to believe.

G-Fafif
Mar 10 2009 02:49 PM

Bruce Blackman has a bit of a Chris Rea thing going on vocally.

"Everybody Be Dancing" shows up, like "Moonlight Feels Right" (the original, not the "incredible dance remix"), on the "Have a Nice Day" series from Rhino, the 25-volume CD set that forms the foundation of my iTunes library.

And my conflation of the big hit is actually with [url=http://www.amazon.com/Edward-Kennedy-Camelot-Legacy-MacGregor/dp/0393331849:32h8hga5]this book[/url:32h8hga5] that I clearly remember reading, from the Long Beach Public Library (special ordered for me), as Starbuck played on WPIX-FM in the summer of '76.

Me and James MacGregor Burns, not down by the schoolyard.

batmagadanleadoff
Mar 10 2009 05:02 PM

Now I remember conflating Mike Bruhert and Mardie Cornejo, too. I had forgotten that I used to conflate Mike Bruhert and Mardie Cornejo because, well, I had forgotten about Mike Bruhert and Mardie Cornejo.

Also, I don't get tired of listening to Light My Fire. Last night, by coincidence, I listened to The Doors' first two albums.

I also just recently discovered Aretha Franklin's sister - Erma Franklin. Her soulful version of Light My Fire is worth a listen.

Not that anyone asked ...

G-Fafif
Mar 10 2009 05:15 PM

You are Columbus and I am Vasco da Gama or whichever explorer came later. That is to say thank you for discovering Erma Franklin.

Edgy DC
Mar 10 2009 05:40 PM

Erma singing the original version of "Piece of My Heart" and Valerie Simpson singing "I Don't Need No Help" were my two favorite discoveries when I listened to the Rhythm Review with Felix Hernandez back in the day.

batmagadanleadoff
Mar 10 2009 06:29 PM

="G-Fafif":3j6su6za]You are Columbus and I am Vasco da Gama or whichever explorer came later. That is to say thank you for discovering Erma Franklin.[/quote:3j6su6za]

And thank you for reminding me that I used to forget to remember Mike Bruhert and Mardie Cornejo.

G-Fafif
Mar 11 2009 05:12 AM

="Edgy DC":2ipwo5jy]Erma singing the original version of "Piece of My Heart" and Valerie Simpson singing "I Don't Need No Help" were my two favorite discoveries when I listened to the Rhythm Review with Felix Hernandez back in the day.[/quote:2ipwo5jy]

2002 was the year of "Rhythm Review" for me. Mrs. Fafif had begun working Saturdays and I got up early to drive her to the station. Still up, I'd turn on WBGO and was intoxicated. Eventually I'd learn to fall asleep and got out of the habit (I think a pledge drive did me in), but not before I "discovered" about a dozen tracks that proved vital to me, including, appropriately enough, "Piece of My Heart" by Dusty Springfield. (And just last week, I mined a Melissa Etheridge greatest hits CD that was lying around for her cover of the same number.)

Felix is still doing his thing Saturday mornings on [url=http://www.wbgo.org/listennow/:2ipwo5jy]'BGO (88.3 FM)[/url:2ipwo5jy], to which you can listen [url=http://www.classicsoul.com/internetshow.html:2ipwo5jy]here[/url:2ipwo5jy] right now. He's also on Kiss-FM (98.7 FM) Sundays.

G-Fafif
Mar 12 2009 11:36 AM

I listened briefly to 92.3 NOW FM last night. While the music was unremarkable, I was charmed in that way dumbass radio can charm you with this promo bit:

<i>Things that suck:

Getting mugged...

Getting stabbed by the point of some MORON'S umbrella...

And Z-100!</i>

Perfect, the competition sucks because the new player says it does. God, radio is stupid.

metirish
Mar 12 2009 11:39 AM

I shouldn't be surprised that you bring up Chris Rea but I am....a real blast from the past , when I was growing up in Ireland in the late 80's he was all over the place...sweet sounding guitar.