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Quiz: Taking it on the chin for the team.

AG/DC Mar 05 2008 08:34 AM

Thirteen times in history, a Met has given up over 100 runs in a season*, having the combination of being bad enough to get lit up, but good enough that you don't want to blow the bullpen when they are needed to relieve lesser starters the rest of the week. So they keep going out there and taking their lumps. Who are these cats and what season did they give up their centuries. * Fully six guys have packed it in at 99 earnies on the season. Wimps.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 05 2008 08:37 AM

Are these 13 distinct pitchers, or are there some repeaters in the list? I don't know why, but something tells me Walt Terrell in 1984 is one of the guys. This guess seems wrong but I'm going to make it anyway.

sharpie Mar 05 2008 08:38 AM

Jack Fisher.

AG/DC Mar 05 2008 08:40 AM

There are repeaters. The same guy may appear more than once, and the same season may appear more than once. So give me both when you answer. Terrell '84 is incorrect. That's -1 for you. Sharpie, get with the program.

DocTee Mar 05 2008 08:41 AM

Roger Craig, 62.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 05 2008 08:44 AM

Yeah, gotta go with the 62ers. How about Hook and Jackson?

AG/DC Mar 05 2008 08:44 AM

1. Roger Craig, 1962: 117 Runs (Doc Tee) 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. 13.

AG/DC Mar 05 2008 08:46 AM

1. Roger Craig, 1962: 117 Runs (Doc Tee) 2. 3. Jay Hook, 1962: 115 (Ben Grimm) 4. Al Jackson, 1962: 113 (Ben Grimm) 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. 13.

AG/DC Mar 05 2008 08:46 AM

I'm reallly hating my avatar.

Gwreck Mar 05 2008 08:50 AM

Gotta figure someone from '93 was in there. Frank Tanana?

Gwreck Mar 05 2008 08:51 AM

Also -- Glavine, '03?

sharpie Mar 05 2008 08:51 AM

Jack Fisher --- 1964.

AG/DC Mar 05 2008 08:56 AM

1. Roger Craig, 1962: 117 Runs (Doc Tee) T2. T2. Jay Hook, 1962: 115 (Ben Grimm) 4. Al Jackson, 1962: 113 (Ben Grimm) 5. 6. T7. T7. T9. T9. 11. Fisher, 1964: 101 T12. T12. Tanana '93 and Glavine '03 are incorrect.

sharpie Mar 05 2008 09:00 AM

I'm going to stay with Fisher for '65. I remember the ugly backs of his baseball cards.

AG/DC Mar 05 2008 09:03 AM

1. Roger Craig, 1962: 117 Runs (Doc Tee) T2. T2. Jay Hook, 1962: 115 (Ben Grimm) 4. Al Jackson, 1962: 113 (Ben Grimm) 5. Jack Fisher, 1965: 111 (sharpie) 6. T7. T7. T9. T9. 11. Jack Fisher, 1964: 101 T12. T12.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 05 2008 09:04 AM

You know, a Google image search on "ugly backs" yields surprisingly little. I thought I'd find a gross hairy image to paste here, but no luck!

sharpie Mar 05 2008 09:30 AM

Staying with the early Mets I'll say Roger Craig repeated in '63.

AG/DC Mar 05 2008 09:32 AM

Craig packed it in at 99 in 1963.

metsguyinmichigan Mar 05 2008 09:38 AM

Tracy Stallard?

AG/DC Mar 05 2008 09:43 AM

We need years, my friend.

HahnSolo Mar 05 2008 10:05 AM

Not that I have any idea, but are we talking runs or earned runs?

metsguyinmichigan Mar 05 2008 10:12 AM

AG/DC wrote: We need years, my friend. My bad. Tracy Stallard, 1964. His putridness was well documented in the MBTM book, bringing shame to his number!

seawolf17 Mar 05 2008 10:25 AM

Craig Swan? He pitched on bad teams. I'll guess 1980.

Fman99 Mar 05 2008 10:27 AM

The Amazing 1996 Mets had four guys give up 100 runs - Izzy, Pulse, Pete Harnisch and Bobby J. Jones. Though in their defense, they all gave up less than 100 earned runs.

Valadius Mar 05 2008 10:52 AM

The '63 Mets had to have SOMEBODY give up at least 100 earned runs. How about Al Jackson?

AG/DC Mar 05 2008 12:19 PM

1. Roger Craig, 1962: 117 Runs (Doc Tee) T2. T2. Jay Hook, 1962: 115 (Ben Grimm) 4. Al Jackson, 1962: 113 (Ben Grimm) 5. Jack Fisher, 1965: 111 (sharpie) 6. T7. T7. T9. T9. 11. Jack Fisher, 1964: 101 T12. T12. Al Jackson, 1963 (Valadius) Stallard 1964 pulled out at 95. Swannie didn't pitch enough to qualify in 1980. That was the year he tore his rotator cuff. Hahn, we're talking earnies. Fman, close the book. No peeking.

seawolf17 Mar 05 2008 12:39 PM

How about 79 for Swan? I'll keep guessing.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 05 2008 12:41 PM

Jerry Koosman, 1978?

Benjamin Grimm Mar 05 2008 12:42 PM

seawolf17 wrote: How about 79 for Swan? I'll keep guessing. Isn't that the year Swan won the ERA title? Or was that 1978?

AG/DC Mar 05 2008 12:46 PM

Swannie '79 and Koos '78 are in the clear. The current score: Grimm sharpie DocTee Gwreck metsguy seawolf valadius 4 2 3 -2 -1 -2 3

sharpie Mar 05 2008 12:58 PM

How does Grimm have 4 and I have 2? We each had 2 correct picks and one wrong one.

AG/DC Mar 05 2008 01:00 PM

Three for a correct guess and minus one for an incorrectie. I forgot to give you points for Fischer 1964. Sorry, I'll get those out to you in 7-10 business days.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 05 2008 01:01 PM

I get extra points for having blue eyes.

AG/DC Mar 05 2008 01:01 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 05 2008 01:22 PM

Grimm sharpie DocTee Gwreck metsguy seawolf valadius 4 5 6 -2 -1 -2 3

AG/DC Mar 05 2008 01:01 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 05 2008 01:22 PM

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metsguyinmichigan Mar 05 2008 01:10 PM

I know Pete Harnisch got dragged out a lot in 1996. Viola seemed to get smashed around a lot in 1991 despite being Frank Freaking Viola. Some of those Torborg and Green teams still curl my toes.

metirish Mar 05 2008 01:11 PM

Pedro Astacio - 2002

metsguyinmichigan Mar 05 2008 01:16 PM

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Jerry Koosman, 1978? I bet you're off a little. Kooz in 1977 went 8-20, and you don't get 20 losses unless you're pretty good -- if that makes sense. At the risk of adding to my negative total, I'll poach from Grimmy and bump back a year to 1977.

metirish Mar 05 2008 01:17 PM

Leiter - 1999

AG/DC Mar 05 2008 01:30 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 05 2008 02:02 PM

Harnisch 1996 had 91, a shelling short of the leader board. Viola '91 is correct. He and Astacio 2002 each gave up 102. Koosman 1977 is also in the clear. 1. Roger Craig, 1962: 117 Runs (Doc Tee) T2. T2. Jay Hook, 1962: 115 (Ben Grimm) 4. Al Jackson, 1962: 113 (Ben Grimm) 5. Jack Fisher, 1965: 111 (sharpie) 6. T7. T7. T9. Frank Viola, 1991: 102 (Metsguy) T9. Pedro Astacio, 2002: 102 (metirish) 11. Jack Fisher, 1964: 101 (sharpie) T12. T12. Al Jackson, 1963 (Valadius) Grimm sharpie DocTee Gwreck metsguy seawolf valadius metirish 4 5 3 -2 -1 -1 3 3 3

sharpie Mar 05 2008 02:00 PM

How does Doc Tee have six points? I only see him on the list one time. Or do you get double for the mostest runs?

AG/DC Mar 05 2008 02:02 PM

He also has blue eyes. No, I must've given him three that were rightfully yours. Fixed.

metsguyinmichigan Mar 05 2008 02:03 PM

Must. Get. In. Positive. Territory. Mike Torrez sucked rocks in 1983. I fear that my hero Tom wasn't far behind or even exceeded, but I won't make that a guess. I'll stick with Torrez

metirish Mar 05 2008 02:05 PM

metirish wrote: Leiter - 1999 Yes?

AG/DC Mar 05 2008 02:08 PM

Torrez is correct. As is Leiter. 1. Roger Craig, 1962: 117 Runs (Doc Tee) T2. T2. Jay Hook, 1962: 115 (Ben Grimm) 4. Al Jackson, 1962: 113 (Ben Grimm) 5. Jack Fisher, 1965: 111 (sharpie) 6. Mike Torrez, 1983: 108 (metsguy) T7. T7. T9. Frank Viola, 1991: 102 (Metsguy) T9. Pedro Astacio, 2002: 102 (metirish) 11. Jack Fisher, 1964: 101 (sharpie) T12. Al Leiter, 1999: 100 (metirish) T12. Al Jackson, 1963:100 (Valadius) Grimm sharpie DocTee Gwreck metsguy seawolf valadius metirish 4 5 3 -2 2 -2 3 6

metsguyinmichigan Mar 05 2008 02:12 PM

Sweet! I'm on a roll. I'm gonna mix it up and go recent. Trachsel seems to fit the Torrez model and staying in games deep (unless its the playoffs), yet still managing to suck. The Art Howe era demands insertion! 2004?

metsguyinmichigan Mar 05 2008 02:13 PM

Oh, and happy birthday, AG! Hoisting a Rheingold in your honor! (Well, it's really a Diet Coke. Work with me here)

AG/DC Mar 05 2008 02:17 PM

Thank you. Happy drinking. But no to Trachsel 2004.

metirish Mar 05 2008 02:18 PM

Nino Espinosa - 1978

sharpie Mar 05 2008 02:23 PM

Irish, how did you come up with Nino freakin' Espinosa in 1978 without peeking at sources?

metirish Mar 05 2008 02:26 PM

What , just because I was age 5 and living in Ireland doesn't mean I don't know that.......

Benjamin Grimm Mar 05 2008 02:27 PM

="sharpie"]Irish, how did you come up with Nino freakin' Espinosa in 1978 without peeking at sources? I was suspicious when he came up with Pedro Astacio in 2002!

metirish Mar 05 2008 02:29 PM

="Benjamin Grimm"] ="sharpie"]Irish, how did you come up with Nino freakin' Espinosa in 1978 without peeking at sources? I was suspicious when he came up with Pedro Astacio in 2002! Ahh come on , pick on the fucking foreigner here, I'm taking educated guesses here.....jeez

metsguyinmichigan Mar 05 2008 02:29 PM

OK, If Jack Fisher was that bad in 1964 and 1965, I don't see him getting much better in 1966 and 1967. In a bold move, I'll take both of those years and cross my fingers.

sharpie Mar 05 2008 02:32 PM

]Benjamin Grimm wrote: sharpie wrote: Irish, how did you come up with Nino freakin' Espinosa in 1978 without peeking at sources? I was suspicious when he came up with Pedro Astacio in 2002! Ahh come on , pick on the fucking foreigner here, I'm taking educated guesses here.....jeez Astacio I could imagine (though I certainly wouldn't have come up with it). I was a domestic adult (just) in 1978 and I couldn't remember that by 1979.

AG/DC Mar 05 2008 02:33 PM

Ooh, snap. You got #7. I'm out this evening. I'll update later.

metirish Mar 05 2008 02:37 PM

] Astacio I could imagine (though I certainly wouldn't have come up with it). I remember Pedro giving up a shit load of home runs as a Met, so because you wouldn't have come up with that it's inconceivable that I would?.... Nino I checked on but the others are guesses.....

Benjamin Grimm Mar 05 2008 02:39 PM

="metirish"] Nino I checked on but the others are guesses..... Ah HA!

AG/DC Mar 05 2008 02:41 PM

I'm glad I checked back. Points being lost all over the place. Nanny O'Neill told me a thousand times. Never trust a broadback from Tiperrary.

HahnSolo Mar 05 2008 02:53 PM

Let me go against conventional wisdom for two picks: Matlack 1973 Darling 1984 More conventional choices: edit: I see these two were already guessed.

Vic Sage Mar 06 2008 09:08 AM

what about good ole A.Y.? anthony young set a record for consecutive losses, or something, right?

86-Dreamer Mar 06 2008 04:41 PM

Livan Hernandez has done it 9 out of the past 10 seasons.