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J-E-T-S (2008)

Nymr83 Feb 26 2008 08:27 PM

Underperforming WR Justin McCareins, who cost the Jets a 2nd round pick back in 2004, has been cut. He never did shit for this team. Adrien Clarke and Andre Dyson also gone.

MFS62 Feb 27 2008 06:04 PM

Addition by subtraction. Good riddance. Can't wait to see what they might get for the actively shopped Vilma. Later

Frayed Knot Feb 27 2008 06:22 PM

Re: Vilma -- How does this stuff work anyway where the team tells the player that they'll allow him to try to work out a trade? Does Vilma talk to teams in order to see if he & they can work out a contract and then that team and the Jets work out some kind of swap? If that's the case it's kind of backwards, no?

Vic Sage Feb 28 2008 11:41 AM

So, they want to dump Vilma and Robertson because they are less effective in the 3-4 scheme. How about, instead of dumping talented players, we employ a scheme that utliizes their skills more effectively? That's what good coaches do, Mangenius.

Nymr83 Feb 28 2008 01:32 PM

That would make too much sense.

Willets Point Feb 28 2008 02:06 PM

You people are not talking about football in February, you're just not.

Kong76 Feb 28 2008 02:35 PM

Beats politics. FA signing season opens tonight at midnight and all the po- tential draftees are interviewing and stuff and this is when teams are busy building up to the draft. I don't follow it super close, but the NFL like MLB is a year long thing now- adays to some especially with the internet.

Nymr83 Feb 28 2008 04:14 PM

It'll never be on baseball's level for me, but its always worth a brief mention.

MFS62 Feb 28 2008 05:19 PM

Vic Sage wrote: So, they want to dump Vilma and Robertson because they are less effective in the 3-4 scheme. How about, instead of dumping talented players, we employ a scheme that utliizes their skills more effectively? That's what good coaches do, Mangenius. Please don't try to dazzle us with logic. Just because that's what they should be doing doesn't mean that's what the Jets will do. As a fan of theirs since they were the New York Titans in the old AFL, I'm sure they will change the players (yet again) rathher than using them in a system in which they can succeed. Later

Vic Sage Feb 29 2008 08:55 AM

oh i have no doubt, `62, that our same ole Jets will continue to shoot themselves in the foot. It's what they do. It's who they are. In fact, i'd like to have the tourniquet concession in the new stadium.

Vic Sage Feb 29 2008 09:17 AM

Carolina's Jenkins headed to Jets? Friday, Feb 29, 2008 9:02 am EST ]This could be the day the Carolina Panthers part ways with Kris Jenkins, their three-time Pro Bowl defensive tackle according to the Charlotte Observer. Sources said Thursday he might be dealt to the New York Jets, probably for draft pick compensation. Carolina likely would prefer either the Jets' second- or third-round picks in this year's draft. Both choices are in the top five of those rounds. Source: Charlotte Observer

Vic Sage Feb 29 2008 09:21 AM

NEW YORK (TICKER) — Linebacker Jonathan Vilma might be departing the New York Jets but guard Alan Faneca may just be arriving. ]The Jets are expected to offer Alan Faneca a four-year, $32 million deal, according to a report by the New York Daily News on Friday. Faneca, an unrestricted free agent, has appeared in seven Pro Bowls during his 10-year career with the Pittsburgh Steelers and would become the richest free-agent signing in Jets history. The 31-year-old guard would help solidify a shaky offensive line for the Jets, who went 4-12 last season. ]FOXSports.com reported early Friday morning that the New Orleans Saints have acquired Vilma, who played in nine games - collecting 43 tackles and an interception - for the Jets before knee surgery cut his 2007 season short. The web site reported that the Jets will receive a conditional draft pick from New Orleans based on Vilma’s playing time. The Daily News is also reporting that the conditional pick may be used to acquire defensive tackle Kris Jenkins from the Carolina Panthers. The three-time Pro Bowler would improve a defensive line which finished 29th against the run last season.

Nymr83 Feb 29 2008 11:54 AM

As best I can tell, Espn is reporting the Jets get s4th, possibhly 3rd based on playing time, pick for Jonathan Vilma. Thats bad. the Daily News is reporting the Jets get Jenkins for a 3rd and a 5th. thats good. Faneca signing would be great. Dwayne Robertson almost has to be a goner, they better not get rippe off trading him away too.

metirish Mar 03 2008 02:34 PM

Jets spending the money this off season. ] Free-agent linebacker Calvin Pace apparently prefers Times Square to South Beach. That could be one of the reasons the former Cardinals linebacker turned down the Dolphins' overtures, agreeing to a contract with the Jets on Monday. Or maybe it was the money. The NFL Network is reporting that Pace, a converted defensive end who blossomed when the Cardinals switched to a 3-4 scheme, will sign a 6-year deal that will pay him $42 million, $22 million of it guaranteed. That's the richest contract a linebacker has signed this offseason, trumping the deal Lance Briggs got last week to re-sign with the Bears. Pace, 27, the 18th pick in the 2003 draft, enjoyed a breakout season last year with 98 tackles and 6 1/2 sacks.

Vic Sage Mar 03 2008 04:22 PM

Wow. Pace. Jenkins. Fanica. Gang Green is living up to its name, laying down alot of green for alot of guys they really needed. They just dealt with 3 major needs, and picked up extra picks by moving Robertson and Vilma. Lets just hope they use those picks more wisely than they did when they picked... Robertson and Vilma.

Nymr83 Mar 03 2008 05:40 PM

The pick of Vilma was VERY wise, the pick of Robertson arguably less so. It was the decision to move from the 4-3 to 3-4, a system that neither player was suited for, that lowered their value considerably.

Vic Sage Mar 04 2008 10:37 AM

]The pick of Vilma was VERY wise, the pick of Robertson arguably less so. It was the decision to move from the 4-3 to 3-4, a system that neither player was suited for, that lowered their value considerably. Agreed. And they weren't Tannenbaum's picks, in any case. I was just being a smartass. New Jets: Kris Jenkins Postion: Nose Tackle Height: 6-4 / Weight: 335 Born: Aug 3, 1979 Draft: 2001 - 2nd round (13th pick) by the Carolina Panthers Acquired: Trade (3rd & 5th round picks) Fatboy will replace undersized DeWayne Robertson as the appropriate type of NT for the 3-4 defense. He's closer to 400 lbs than he is to 335, so there are alot of weight clauses in his new 5-year/$35m contract. He'll either be the key that makes the defense click, or he'll eat himself out of the league. Robertson was almost traded to Cinncy for 2 picks (4th & 5th), but he wouldn't agree to renegotiate his big contract, so the deal fell thru. He'll get moved before the June roster bonus ($3m) comes due. Fortunately, backup NT Simone Pouha signed an extension after showing some development last year. Alan Faneca Position: Left Guard Height: 6-5 / Weight: 307 Born: Dec 7, 1976 Draft: 1998 - 1st round (26th pick) by the Pittsburgh Steelers Acquired: FA, 5-years/$40m This veteran pro bowler fits right in at LG, between Mangold and Brick, to fix the fuck-up of letting Kendall walk in the first place, and then giving 16 starts to Adrian Clarke last year (who has since been released). They've made Faneca the highest paid lineman ever, but how much is left in the tank? I don't know, but even at half his average level of performance, he's a huge upgrade that could make this key unit work. Calvin Pace Position: Defensive End / Linebacker Height: 6-4 / Weight: 272 Born: Oct 28, 1980 Draft: 2003 - 1st round (18th pick) by the Arizona Cardinals Acquired: FA, 6-year/$42m This 27-year old former 1st round pick finally broke thru last year when moved from DE to OLB. This signing not only fills an immediate need for an outside rush, the deal could have future upside as well, given Pace's age. Of course, we thought the same thing about the similar Bryan Thomas 2 years ago, before giving him a big contract and watching him revert to form last year. His signing will probably result in letting UFA Victor Hobson sign elsewhere. Damien Woody Position: Guard / Tackle Height: 6-3 Weight: 325 Born: Nov 3, 1977 Draft: 1999 - 1st round (17th pick) by the New England Patriots Acquired: FA, 5-year/$25m This veteran OL-man was the starting Center for 2 Pats championship teams. He was a bust in Detroit as a RG but showed a little bit more at then end of last season at RT. He'll likely bump Anthony Clement out of the RT slot. If not, he's versatile enough to be useful on the bench. other moves: Jonathan Vilma Linebacker Height: 6-1 Weight: 230 Born: Apr 16, 1982 Draft: 2004 - 1st round (12th pick) by the New York Jets - TRADED to NO Saints for 4th round pick (conditional, could become 2nd or 3rd round pick in `09) Vilma was a top player for the Jets before Mangini switched to the 3-4, a scheme that nullified Vilma's strengths (and Robertson's, too, for that matter). Due to injury, he was supplanted last year by David Harris, who came on strong and has replaced Vilma in the Jets plans. It's disappointing, however, that, even after his knee injury, all we could get was a 4th round pick for a 26-year old linebacker who, according to FOXSports, "was tremendous sideline to sideline. More crafty than physical at the point of attack, he's not built to hammer gaps, he's built to be one of the better Cover 2 middle linebackers of his era." He was also an articulate, smart, tough leader. Bye, Jonny. We hardly knew ye.

Nymr83 Mar 04 2008 12:32 PM

Good Analysis. I suspect Woody WILL start at RT considering the size of his contract. Clarke started 14 games last year, the other 2 were eithe Jacob Bender or that Montgomery guy.

Nymr83 Mar 18 2008 02:50 PM

Bubba Franks on board as another TE. it can't hurt and i seem to remember him as a good blocker.

Willets Point Mar 19 2008 10:09 AM

Two weeks to opening day and peeps are still talking football. What a world...what a world.

Nymr83 Mar 19 2008 11:07 AM

My enthusiasm for baseball from April- October rarely wanes, but I've found myself very uninterested in spring training this year

Methead Mar 19 2008 11:59 AM

"Vilma was a top player for the Jets before Mangini switched to the 3-4, a scheme that nullified Vilma's strengths (and Robertson's, too, for that matter)." I've always wondered, if a coach has players well suited for a particular kind of defense, why would they change to something that doesn't suit the players he has?

MFS62 Mar 19 2008 06:36 PM

Jets fans are scratching their collective heads about that one, too. Later

Nymr83 Mar 28 2008 09:52 AM

Coles, still under contract for this year and next, was loudly looking for an extension. the jets said no, but agreed to gaurantee the remaining 11 million on his current deal.

Nymr83 Apr 26 2008 12:45 PM

NFL Draft in 10 minutes... (jets 6th pick about an hour later the way these things go)

Nymr83 Apr 26 2008 01:45 PM

The jets take DE Verno Gholston from Ohio State... eh.

Nymr83 Apr 26 2008 06:00 PM

The jets dealt their 2nd round pick, along with one of their 2 4th round selections, to move back up to the 1st round with the 30th pick. they selected a TE who everyone projected would still have been available at the top of the 2nd round for the Jets, so they likely threw a 4th rounder away. they already had no 3rd round pick.

Triple Dee Apr 27 2008 03:50 AM

Mismanagement of draft picks is not a novel concept for the New York Jets organization. Are most people on this forum Jets fans?

MFS62 Apr 27 2008 06:54 AM

Triple Dee wrote: Are most people on this forum Jets fans? I resemble that remark. Later

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 27 2008 07:04 AM

same here. it's the way nature intended.

metirish Apr 27 2008 09:05 AM

Shaun Powell on the Draft. [url=http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/jets/ny-sppow0427,0,6428434.column]With 6th pick, Jets put us to sleep![/url]

Fman99 Apr 27 2008 11:00 AM

Jets fan here.

SteveJRogers Apr 27 2008 11:12 AM

Triple Dee wrote: Mismanagement of draft picks is not a novel concept for the New York Jets organization. Are most people on this forum Jets fans? Yup. Big Blue talk gets regulated to the NFL Talk thread. More so than fellow LI based expansion franchises (and new leagues as well) from the same general era, the ABA Nets and NHL Islanders, the Mets and Jets, for obvious reasons, have quite a strong crossover in their fan bases. Though I'm pretty sure since the move to Jersey in 1985 the Yankee-Jet combo has grown more so than new Met-Jet fans since 1985.

themetfairy Apr 27 2008 06:22 PM

Jets, but I'm only a casual football fan.

Nymr83 Apr 27 2008 07:35 PM

SteveJRogers wrote: Yup. Big Blue talk gets regulated to the NFL Talk thread. get out of our thread yankee-giant guy! Jets finish up the 2nd day of the draft by taking CB Dwight Lowery, Tennessee QB Erik Ainge, a WR in the 6th and an extra o-lone guy in the 7th and this just in: ]OMAHA, Neb. -- Chadron State running back Danny Woodhead, the NCAA's career rushing leader, signed a free-agent deal with the New York Jets on Sunday night, according to the player and his agent. Agent Chris Gittings said he and Woodhead thought the Jets were a good fit after teams passed on the 5-foot-7˝ running back during the draft, mostly because of his size. Woodhead ran for 7,962 yards in four seasons for the Division II school in western Nebraska.

Frayed Knot Apr 27 2008 08:24 PM

So I wonder how many of the self-proclaimed "draft experts" had their 1st round predictions even remotely accurate? And then I wonder what pct of those whose picks resembled a blind man throwing darts at a list of names are going to come out and admit that the hundreds of hours of programming devoted to these ridiculous predictions were a total waste of time.

Nymr83 Apr 27 2008 10:23 PM

a WR wasn't even taken in the 1st round, a testament to the depth at that position in the draft, everyone who wanted one knew they could get one in the 2nd round that they'd be happy with. none of the draft predictions i saw predicted anything like that. i dont know that these predictions are any less accurate than the standings, statistics, etc that get predicted in every sport all the time, but the NFL has managed to turn the whole thing into a media circus, pretty good job by them if you ask me.

Triple Dee Apr 28 2008 04:08 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 28 2008 06:15 AM

="SteveJRogers"] More so than fellow LI based expansion franchises (and new leagues as well) from the same general era, the ABA Nets and NHL Islanders, the Mets and Jets, for obvious reasons, have quite a strong crossover in their fan bases. It's funny, because before I moved to NY I only followed the Mets and the Habs in NA sports, yet when I arrived there, I was attracted to the teams you list, even though I was oblivious to the connection. Btw, there was a pro-tennis team in NY in the 70's called the New York Sets.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 28 2008 05:39 AM

Don't forget the New York Bets (the OTB jingle)

G-Fafif Apr 28 2008 06:17 AM

Our sector of seventh grade (or Sector 7G, if you will) was divided by track into four groups: Sets, Jets, Mets and Bets. If you were a Bet, the teachers were wagering you didn't have much of a future. Yet no Nets, even though they were en route that very school year to their second ABA championship not too many miles up the road from us. I'm guessing it was thought that if a quarter of the kids were Mets and a quarter of the kids were Nets, about an eighth of the kids on any given day would mishear their assignments and wind up going to the wrong classes. Later, in real life, the Sets became the Apples. So much for symmetry, so much for World Team Tennis.

Triple Dee Apr 28 2008 06:37 AM

G-Fafif wrote: Later, in real life, the Sets became the Apples. So much for symmetry, so much for World Team Tennis. More symmetry will be lost, as the Nets are thinking of changing their name to the Brooklyn Knights when they move back to NY. I don't know who owns this [url=http://www.brooklynknights.com/]domain[/url], but it looks like it incorporates part of the Nets current logo. As for WTT, I thought it was still around?

Frayed Knot Apr 28 2008 07:44 AM

Nymr83 wrote: i dont know that these predictions are any less accurate than the standings, statistics, etc that get predicted in every sport all the time, but the NFL has managed to turn the whole thing into a media circus, pretty good job by them if you ask me. I'm not really knocking these clowns for getting it wrong since there's no way they can get it right. Their predictions are going to be wrong more often than not simply because drafting is an imperfect science determined by a variety of opinions and viewpoints. But what cracks me up about this whole dog-and-pony show is that these draft gurus act like this thing CAN be predicted and that there are flat-out right/wrong choices which they have the foresight to know in advance as they spend weeks analyzing the whole process to within an inch of its life. And it doesn't matter how off their pronouncements were this year because the same crew will be back pontificating next year to the same flock of sheep who AGAIN are going to treat their pronouncements as if carved in stone. Dan Patrick had a few good lines about it all in SI a few weeks back (even though I'm sure Patrick would have been too chicken-shit to say the same thing if he were still working at ESPN seeing as how they get about 500 hours worth of programming out of it). Patrick's point was that all these lists are flawed from the start because they're based on info and/or opinions from; 1) NFL writers - whose beat is NOT college football and their main exposure to it is watching whatever game of the week (usually Notre Dame) is on while they're sitting at the bar in the airport Ramada on their way to whatever Sunday game they're covering. 2) Team GMs - who have ZERO incentive to tell the truth 3) Player Agents - who have EVERY incentive to lie 4) Each Other! - once one guru (based most likely on info from one of the above sources) declares that 'Player X' is "moving up the list" every other guru then runs with it until it's treated as fact simply from the repetition.

MFS62 May 28 2008 05:50 PM

I know its baseball season, but check out this recap of the last draft. Well actually, check out who is doing it. (wink) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F57Byyi96-M Later

Nymr83 May 28 2008 06:26 PM

was she talking about sports? all i saw was her cleavage