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John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 31 2008 05:50 PM

Little too cutesey with relief pitching in the 8th there. If we hadn't tacked on one in the top of the 9th I'm sure they'd have trotted out Wagner in the 9th. Great job by Soso, no doubt, but that inning lurched closer to disaster than a walk/seeing eye single might have warranted. Enough already with the poor decisions on the basepaths. Wright was caught stealing 3rd with plenty of room to spare. Shoulda scored in a few other innings than one -- that was a frequent complaint of mine last year. Otherwise, pretty satisfying win -- just wanted to establish a place for after-the-fact nitpicking.

Valadius Mar 31 2008 05:52 PM

I'll give them a pass for a season-opening win.

AG/DC Mar 31 2008 05:54 PM

No pass on lazy or stupid baserunning. That shit spreads like ebola.

SteveJRogers Mar 31 2008 05:56 PM Re: Postgame Cornflake Whizz

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Little too cutesey with relief pitching in the 8th there. If we hadn't tacked on one in the top of the 9th I'm sure they'd have trotted out Wagner in the 9th. Great job by Soso, no doubt, but that inning lurched closer to disaster than a walk/seeing eye single might have warranted. Enough already with the poor decisions on the basepaths. Wright was caught stealing 3rd with plenty of room to spare. Shoulda scored in a few other innings than one -- that was a frequent complaint of mine last year. Otherwise, pretty satisfying win -- just wanted to establish a place for after-the-fact nitpicking. Good points. While not looking like the zombies that they were for most of last summer, this game does have some of the same attributes that many 2007 wins did. Scoring the runs in one fell swoop despite a much more inferior team, and lack of defined roles causing the pen to be mismanged. Great win, but some things that I hope aren't trends again.

metirish Mar 31 2008 05:58 PM

I thought it was a good move getting Sosa in, Heilman was ready I guess if any trouble occurred.

metirish Mar 31 2008 06:01 PM

Probably not the place to complain about the post-game show but Matt Yaloff and Mazzilli are brutal.

AG/DC Mar 31 2008 06:03 PM

I think it's hard to complain about penners' not having roles after one game. It takes more than one to establish a pattern. I thought they were used in situations I'd like to see them in again. Sosa's spot would have been Duaner's in a better world, but this is the one we live in.

metirish Mar 31 2008 06:11 PM

I suppose one could wonder about Wise being brought in in the bottom of the eighth inning, but in a a four run game would Heilman be wasted to start the eighth inning?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 31 2008 06:14 PM

Yeah just read what I said not what J Rogers thought I said.

TransMonk Mar 31 2008 06:18 PM

metirish wrote: Probably not the place to complain about the post-game show but Matt Yaloff and Mazzilli are brutal. As good a place as any. I'll take my shots at Gary Cohen here as well, who was engaging in colorful conversation with the color guys so much that he missed whether pitches were called balls or strikes and mis-gave the count more than a few times today. Play-by-play, Gary, play-by-play. I wanna know what Keith's favorite opening day memory was too, but more importantly I want to know why you're calling the ball low when the ump is pointing to his right. I only mention this because I believe that SNY has one of the premiere booths in the league. With my week long trial of Extra Innings, I'm now flipping between some god-awful booths and only want to see the best from my guys. Atlanta's Peachtree network is as pompous and oblivious as TBS ever was.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 31 2008 06:25 PM

Keith needs that baby blue SNY shirt one size up by the way. That 48 can't handle the junk anymore.

metirish Mar 31 2008 06:37 PM

Good call on Cohen there Monk, he messed up a few times. I think I prefer Rose when he did TV.

DocTee Mar 31 2008 06:43 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 31 2008 06:46 PM

I think SJR was saying that too many games last year had runs coming in one fell swoop and featured a role-less bullpen. I think.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 31 2008 06:45 PM

Yeah but I wouldn't agree that the run-scoring issue had anything to do the quality of the opposition, and I wouldn't say that a lack or roles "causes" mismanagement.

Frayed Knot Mar 31 2008 08:09 PM

"Little too cutesey with relief pitching in the 8th there" Except that if Willie had left Schoeneweis in there against a RHB with 2 on (even w/a a 4 run lead) and the worst happened we'd be ripping him several new ones right about now. I had no problem bringing in Wise - who got a bit unlucky with that infield single. At that point, Schoeneweis for the lefty and Sosa for the righty all made sense. And yeah, it wound up being a LaRussa-like 5 pitchers over an 7 batter span, but it kinda had to be done.

metirish Mar 31 2008 08:12 PM

Yeah it was all OK, I guess if he went by the book(he doesn't believe in it) then he brings in Heilman to start the inning then Feliciano for the lefty, but if the inning played out the very same way as it did using those two pitchers who goes in the ninth? Randolph probably would have ended up using Sosa anyway, unless he brought in Wagner of course and pissed him off on day one.

Frayed Knot Mar 31 2008 08:16 PM

But I was fine with NOT jumping immediately to Feliciano & Heilman (and later Wagner) when you've got a 4-run lead. The only real problem was Wise giving up the 2 hits (1 deserved, 1 not) to his 3 batters. Without those runners you don't have to wear out a path to the mound and do the whole LaRussa dance.

Triple Dee Mar 31 2008 09:49 PM

Did anybody else have a problem with Willie bringing in Heilman for the 9th? Sosa could have easily pitched through the 9th and that leaves you with your best middle reliever available to pitch tomorrow (I know Marlon's pinch hit led to a run, big whoop).

Frayed Knot Mar 31 2008 10:08 PM

Considering that the pitchers spot led off the inning (Marlon's PH) and that Heilman had already warmed up earlier ya might as well bring him in. IOW, no, I had no problem with it.

AG/DC Mar 31 2008 10:14 PM

Marlon getting a hit and coming around to score kind of bullet-proof's Willie there, don't you think? The main alternative would have been to double-switch Endy in for Church when they went to Sosa.

Triple Dee Mar 31 2008 11:05 PM

AG/DC wrote: Marlon getting a hit and coming around to score kind of bullet-proof's Willie there, don't you think? The main alternative would have been to double-switch Endy in for Church when they went to Sosa. Well, if the Mets have a one run lead going into the 8th tomorrow, Willie will go to Heilman, which means he needlessly pitches two days in a row. Yes, I know it's early in the season, but it's also likely to be a long season. Conserving the bullpen= Good I bet if Green was still in RF, he'd have made the double-switch. So why not make it anyway?

AG/DC Apr 01 2008 06:33 AM

Well, Heilman had already warmed up. So there's one factor. And the difference with Church is that he's a better hitter and fielder than Green. You want Endy replacing Green's glove under any circumstances. But if they double switch and Sosa gets taken downtown, you've burned a good hitter in what is now a tie game.