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| Fman99 Apr 03 2008 07:24 AM |
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God do I loathe Steve Phillips' commentary and general smugness. He's a big dumb cunt.
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| metirish Apr 03 2008 07:26 AM |
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Unfortuantly it's not just Phillips or ESPN , last night after the game SNY had some baseball "experts" on( no idea who but nearly anyone that has a show or does updates on the FAN gets to be on SNY now) and one called it without doubt the worst trade ever by Minaya yyybbb...
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| soupcan Apr 03 2008 07:34 AM |
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Phillips IS a huge bag of douche.
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| AG/DC Apr 03 2008 07:39 AM |
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Maybe we can get a few more innings out of Bartolome Fortunato to make up some ground on that one.
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| Benjamin Grimm Apr 03 2008 07:45 AM |
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That was a Jim Duquette trade, wasn't it?
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| soupcan Apr 03 2008 07:47 AM |
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Not blaming that on Phillips just making a point about these blowhards in general.
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| Triple Dee Apr 03 2008 07:50 AM |
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And we got Joselo Diaz back!
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| metsmarathon Apr 03 2008 08:01 AM |
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i don't mind phillips so much. not sure why, actually, but i don't. i disagree with him a lot and all, but he doesn't grate me too much. very weird...
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| Gwreck Apr 03 2008 09:09 AM |
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Maybe in August/September. He's recovering from TJ surgery, I believe.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 03 2008 09:13 AM |
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I don't think Phillips is anywhere near the worst TV Jock out there. He's capable of insight at times too. He was also maybe not the worst GM ever.
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| Centerfield Apr 03 2008 09:14 AM |
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Phillips doesn't bother me. But if he bothers you, send him an email reminding him that the Mets are still paying Bobby Bonilla.
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| Benjamin Grimm Apr 03 2008 09:26 AM |
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That 1999 team he put together was pretty darn good.
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| Triple Dee Apr 03 2008 09:55 AM |
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Phillips drafted significantly better than Omar has up until this point.
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| Gwreck Apr 03 2008 10:31 AM |
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Little premature to judge that, no?
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| AG/DC Apr 03 2008 10:48 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 04 2008 05:59 AM |
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Yeah, the jury is probably still be out on that. To look at it, Phillips draft status rests largely on the selection of Wright.
* This ranking system is banjaxed, and I'm honestly unsure if a ranking of 30 is best or a ranking of 1. This year, due to an apparent database error, they are crediting the Mets with picking a 52-year-old Tom Paciorek in round 43 this year. Maybe it was his son, but Paciorek retired after 1987.
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| Frayed Knot Apr 03 2008 11:00 AM |
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[MFS62}The choice of Corey Ragsdale in the 2nd round negates all the other
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| Benjamin Grimm Apr 03 2008 11:06 AM |
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Baseball Cube gets players mixed up sometimes.
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| AG/DC Apr 03 2008 11:09 AM |
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Check out all the unsigned late-round gold from McIllvaine's last draft. I wonder if Phillis (1) had a hand in selecting those guys, or (2) had a hand in not signing those guys.
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| AG/DC Apr 03 2008 11:10 AM |
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Also know Brian Cole was chosen in round 18 of the 1998 draft. Make of that what you will.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 03 2008 11:28 AM |
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Difficult to compare GMs in recent Met because each year it was if they operated under different set of rules and permissions. Omar seems to be agitating to break free of slot-drafting; I'd be surprised if that doesn't make him a better drafter in the eyes of some. Compare that to the pursestrings pulled tight on Duke in 2004. His second-round guy, Durkin, was released this spring.
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| Fman99 Apr 03 2008 01:48 PM |
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I know he drafted Wright... he also tried, unsuccessfully, to trade him to Toronto for Jose Cruz Jr. at one point, IIRC.
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| Benjamin Grimm Apr 03 2008 01:51 PM |
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Well, that's a different subject.
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| OlerudOwned Apr 03 2008 02:30 PM |
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http://torontosun.com/Sports/Columnists/Elliott_Bob/2006/07/16/1686900.html
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| Triple Dee Apr 04 2008 04:28 AM |
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If you're judging Phillips purely on drafting alone, you also have to consider Kazmir, Milledge and Heilman all of whom turned out to be above-average big leaguers. He also signed Jose Reyes which is arguably analogous to drafting him. However, I'm prepared to cut Omar some slack because the organization (stupidly) refused to pay over the slot for drafted players in recent years, and that cannot be considered his fault.
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| metirish Apr 04 2008 04:47 AM |
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We could have had Jose Cruz Jr.
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| AG/DC Apr 04 2008 05:57 AM |
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They're all on that table. And I'm not judging Phillips on drafting alone, I'm just responding to your assertion.
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| Triple Dee Apr 04 2008 07:14 AM |
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The way it came across, it sounded like you were reducing judgment of Phillips' drafting legacy to David Wright.
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| AG/DC Apr 04 2008 07:54 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 05 2008 10:30 AM |
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No, sorry, I only meant to say that he's the difference maker. Certainly Heilman and Kazmir have shown tangible positive big-league value, but that's something of a wash against Phillips netting very little from 1998-2000, Minaya having a relative paucity of early-round picks, and Minaya's draftees being largely still in development. You may want to also consider that Minaya has been drafting under an apparent agreeement by the Mets to keep bonuses pinned to draft slots. I don't know whether or not the Mets were being such good little anti-trusting citizens during Phillips' era.
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| Triple Dee Apr 04 2008 08:24 AM |
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During the Phillips era, Kazmir and Milledge were paid over the slot, and if memory serves correctly, so was Heilman. I'm not sure about DW5. I seem to recall Phillips once saying that Wilpon had a veto over such matters. But by the same token Pelfrey and Humber were both paid over the slot during the Omar era. However, it's a practise they've refrained from in recent years. At least, all this will change from this year's draft.
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| AG/DC Apr 04 2008 08:31 AM |
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Thaks for the background.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 04 2008 08:33 AM |
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Maybe I don't undserstand it totally but where the whole "slot" thing seems to matter most is in the later rounds, where the team meeting slot would not for example, incentivize a prospect to skip college, or whatever. The name that comes to mind there is Pedro Beato.
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| Triple Dee Apr 04 2008 08:43 AM |
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Yes, of course -- probably the result of a suppressed memory of a traumatic period.
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| Triple Dee Apr 04 2008 09:00 AM |
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My understanding is that teams are less likely to pay over the slot in later rounds. If you take Humber as a case study; he was drafted by the MFY in 2001 as a 29th round pick but he didn't sign because they only offered him a nominal signing bonus. However, after dominating at Rice, it was highly probable that he'd get paid over the slot as an early round pick.
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| AG/DC Apr 04 2008 09:24 AM |
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I think the slot issue is with guys bound for college with early round talent. Poorer teams pass over them, because they don't want to bid against a kid's opportunity to go to college (or return to college) and re-enter the draft in a hopefully better position. Richer teams have the resources to draft these kids in the middle rounds and blow them away with early-round money.
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| metsguyinmichigan Apr 04 2008 08:22 PM |
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I interviewed Phillips for a story once. I was impressed because I was doing a story on a minor league coach who was from the Flint area, and put in a call thinking he'd never return it. But he did, and was really nice.
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| metirish Apr 04 2008 08:47 PM |
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Phillips is certainly one of the better talking heads on ESPN regarding baseball , I especially find him informative when talking contracts and what a GM might do around the trading dead line.
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| Rockin' Doc Apr 05 2008 08:34 AM |
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metgguy - "Just saying he was nice to me."
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