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Benjamin Grimm
Mar 31 2008 09:19 AM

Just a reminder, Schaefer POTG voting will resume today, after the conclusion of this afternoon's game.

I may or may not be near my PC when the game ends, so if someone else wants to start the voting thread, that would be appreciated. (Just include Schaefer POTG in the subject, followed by the date and the final score, and include a link to an online box score.)

Voting procedures, for those who are newbies or those who need a refresher, can be found here: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6278


Since discussion in the voting threads complicates my magic spreadsheet, this thread should be used for any comments on your own voting choices, or those of others. (Comments on the votes of others don't seem to be appreciated all that much, however.)

I'll also use this thread to post reminders of games that are about to be closed out. As noted in the procedures thread linked above, I let two full business days pass before tallying votes.

For example, today's game, played on a Monday, will close on Thursday morning.

A game played on a Thursday will typically close the following Tuesday. (That way we'll have Friday and Monday to vote. If the Monday is a holiday, the voting would likely be extended until Wednesday morning.)

When voting closes in the morning, it's often "first thing," meaning shortly after I log in for the first time. So if I say voting will close on Thursday morning, don't assume you can post your votes just before you head to lunch. It might very well be closed by 7:30 or 8 a.m.

So let the Schaefering begin! I'm hoping to be able to type "Santana 6" some time before I go to bed tonight.

SteveJRogers
Mar 31 2008 06:51 PM

Santana is running away with both the Player and Pitcher of The Month award!

Okay that was bad...

DocTee
Mar 31 2008 06:54 PM

I gave some love to Schneider for a few reasons. His handling of Santana and his hustle down the line, preventing a wild throw from careening into the Marlins dugout, thereby saving a base and setting an early example of what I hope will be a season-long gritty attitude. (Wow, that's a run-on sentnece, but I can't help it I all hopped up over our win, I feel like Kramer when he wins free lattes for life, and...)

Benjamin Grimm
Mar 31 2008 07:02 PM

Sosa's strikeout was big. I gave him a half point.

themetfairy
Mar 31 2008 07:03 PM

So many deserving Mets, so few suds....

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Mar 31 2008 07:12 PM

Pagan's lidlifter RBI 2B underschaefered thus far. Give the man his beer.

KC
Mar 31 2008 07:21 PM

You're right, I totally mailed in my first game.

We have a few days to edit.

metsguyinmichigan
Mar 31 2008 07:50 PM

I think what Santana did was huge because of the day. We expect stellar performances from him and I probably wouldn't give 5 points for a game like this in July.

But he came out today and made a statement. Lots of symbolism today. All of it good for us.

themetfairy
Mar 31 2008 08:02 PM

I disagree. I'd give five points to a dominant 7-inning start later in the season. Maybe even 6, depending on the other performances.

Triple Dee
Apr 01 2008 06:00 AM

My apologies for starting the thread for yesterday's game. I wasn't sure if I was coming back to CPF anytime soon, but now realize I have more time to enter my votes.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 01 2008 06:37 AM

Triple Dee wrote:
My apologies for starting the thread for yesterday's game. I wasn't sure if I was coming back to CPF anytime soon, but now realize I have more time to enter my votes.


No need to apologize. The practice around here is the first one who has a chance to start the thread once the game ends should start the thread, so the voting can commence.

themetfairy
Apr 01 2008 07:01 AM

It's helpful if that starting post has a link to the game's box score.

Centerfield
Apr 01 2008 09:53 AM

SteveJRogers wrote:
Santana is running away with both the Player and Pitcher of The Month award!


Which is amazing considering he has the highest ERA of the whole staff.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 02 2008 07:34 AM

With 22 votes, the Mets Monday opener is probably fully voted, but the thread will remain open until early Thursday morning.

If you want to cast a vote, or edit your existing vote, do it before then:

http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=8554

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 02 2008 08:08 AM

Valadius, you voted for Church twice in the Tuesday thread:

http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=8572

Valadius
Apr 02 2008 08:31 AM

Sorry. It's been edited. I honestly have no idea how that happened.

Rockin' Doc
Apr 02 2008 10:42 AM

I plan to start my voting this evening. I don't want to deprive Johan (and others) of their well deserved Schaefer.

metsmarathon
Apr 02 2008 10:53 AM

what was the schneider play in game 1? i must've missed it when i got up for beer, or unwiseley opted to purchase stadium nachos (they were stale. they're always stale. i know they're always stale. yet i bought them anyways. why!?)

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Apr 02 2008 11:34 AM

He ran along the line backing up the play on what was a bad throw to first by Castillo (I think?) diving to save the ball from going into the dugout and giving the runner an xtra base. Neat hustle play.

m.e.t.b.o.t.
Apr 02 2008 11:39 AM

m.e.t.b.o.t. also did not see the play in question.

metsmarathon
Apr 02 2008 11:41 AM

what inning was that? not that it'll affect my voting much (if at all) i'm just curious, as it wasn't mentioned in the igt.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Apr 02 2008 12:35 PM

I don't remember. One thing that was funny was that it sort of happened "off-camera" -- not much in baseball does anymore, but it was to a weird spot and the director/cameramen obviously weren't expecting it.

In the shot they showed of the play as it happened, you can see Schneider appear as a blur on the far right of the screen, moving up behind the play. There is another shot from a still camera looking up the line from home where you can see him sprawled out on the edge of the dugout but again Schneider isn't really the focus.

It was a nice play and all but I don't know how pointworthy in a 5-run win.

MFS62
Apr 03 2008 07:41 AM

I gave Figueroa his 1/4 point for being called up in the morning, then showing up to pitch effectively in the game.

Later

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 03 2008 07:48 AM

Voting for the Mets' Tuesday night loss in Miami will close early Friday morning.

http://cranepoolforum.qwknetllc.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=8572

Get your votes in! It's easier (and safer) than throwing rocks!

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 04 2008 09:19 AM

Voting for Wednesday night's 13-0 win over the Marlins will close early on Monday morning.

http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=8584

metsmarathon
Apr 04 2008 11:35 AM

does beltran get any credit for the home run that was wrongfully taken away from him by the umpires?

does wright get any debit for getting thrown out at home in the third? (and why no mention in the IGT? was it a close play? should he not have run? etc. inquiring minds want to know!)

themetfairy
Apr 04 2008 11:49 AM

Most days they'd get more recognition. But on a day that the starter throws 7 shutout innings and there's offense aplenty, nobody is going to get his fair share of beer.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Apr 04 2008 12:21 PM

metsmarathon wrote:
does beltran get any credit for the home run that was wrongfully taken away from him by the umpires?

does wright get any debit for getting thrown out at home in the third? (and why no mention in the IGT? was it a close play? should he not have run? etc. inquiring minds want to know!)


I believe FK remarked that was a bad send for Alomar Sr. -- first of many if last year is any indication.

By the way, not to deliberately court controversy here, but I guarantee Wright wins yet another SPOY if the voters continue to overschaefer him at the expense of thirstier mates the rest of the year.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 04 2008 12:27 PM

Yeah, David has to be the odds-on favorite to get a fourth consecutive win.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Apr 04 2008 12:32 PM

And my remark was not to suggest he won;t deserve one when its all over. Just that he seems to absorb more glory for similar and/or arguably inferior accomplishments than his teammates so far this season.

metirish
Apr 04 2008 12:34 PM

Maybe Beltran will have a monster year and beat Wright out, that of course would be great for the team.(assuming Wright has a great year)

themetfairy
Apr 04 2008 01:05 PM

We should have such things to worry about ;)

AG/DC
Apr 04 2008 01:11 PM

metirish wrote:
Maybe Beltran will have a monster year and beat Wright out, that of course would be great for the team.(assuming Wright has a great year)


If 2006 is any indication, having a monster year will not Wright-proof your Schaefer.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 04 2008 01:16 PM

In 2006, it was Beltran's idleness for the last two weeks or so that let David get by him.

Schaefer is a mix of quality and quantity, and Wright won it that year on quantity.

AG/DC
Apr 04 2008 01:19 PM

Balderdash.

Willets Point
Apr 04 2008 01:26 PM

AG/DC wrote:
Balderdash.


Agreed. Quantity is due to consistency.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 04 2008 01:41 PM

On September 23 Beltran was ahead of Wright.

Beltran sat out a whole week in September. Wright didn't. Wright pulled ahead. He won by fewer than two points.

So how is that balderdash?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Apr 04 2008 01:48 PM

I don't remember specifically but I would think that Beltran's lead on Wright may have been too slim going into the last week, based on my suspicion that Wright for whatever reason tends to mop up credit with a bigger sponge than his teammates.

metirish
Apr 04 2008 01:49 PM

2006 was a great year , hopefully this September Beltran won't have to sit out a week and can fight Wright all the way....

AG/DC
Apr 04 2008 01:53 PM

Sorry, I'm really trying to save time in my life by making one-word arguments.

Beltran had the clearly superior year. even as he played in 14 fewer games.

Going by my favorite quick-'n'-dirty measure, Plate Apperances x (OPS+ - 60) we get

Wright: 661 x (133 - 60) = 661 x 73 = 48,253

Beltran: 617 x (150 - 60) = 617 x 90 = 55,530

They played positions in similar spots on the defensive spectrum and Beltran won a gilded gauntlet at his, and may have even deserved it.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 04 2008 02:02 PM

Oh, I know Beltran had the superior year, and deserved the Schaefer award that year. I'm not disputing that.

My point was that he would have won had he not skipped an entire week. It's that extra playing time that put Wright over the top. Hence my point that he won on quantity, which you termed "balderdash."

I do agree with Johnny's point that Wright was probably closer to Beltran than he should have been, and that Beltran's lead should have been large enough that he could have held it even with a week off.

AG/DC
Apr 04 2008 02:11 PM

Well, if I was Jim Backus, a one-word argument would have been sufficient.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 04 2008 02:13 PM

Are you referring to Thurston Howell, or Mister Magoo?

AG/DC
Apr 04 2008 02:27 PM

Mostly Howell, but even moreso Tyler Fitzgerald.

Fman99
Apr 07 2008 06:35 AM

Is there a specific number of total points that should be given out in Mets losses? I notice that people are giving out anywhere between four and six points depending on what I am not sure.

metirish
Apr 07 2008 06:45 AM

No there is not, it's at your discretion.

Triple Dee
Apr 07 2008 06:55 AM

Fman99 wrote:
Is there a specific number of total points that should be given out in Mets losses? I notice that people are giving out anywhere between four and six points depending on what I am not sure.


No, I think that just reflects the general antipathy directed at the team.

Fman99
Apr 07 2008 08:54 AM

Thanks.

metirish
Apr 07 2008 09:06 AM

Fman99 wrote:
Thanks.



I always thought you were Willets.

metsmarathon
Apr 07 2008 11:54 AM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 07 2008 12:38 PM

ok, i need help with yesterday's game...

did church have a realistic chance at snagging teixeira's home run, that he looked to me to have misplayed, or was that going to go out no matter what approach church took to the ball?

currently, i've got church as one of three beer-sipping mets, yet my feelings on that play may leave him a bit thirsty. is it unfair to hold that home run against him, or is it a realistic expectation that he make a successful play on that ball - a ball i thought for sure was catchable until it wasn't?

OE: i'm also holding the double over pagan's head against him. i think that's a bit more fair, as he should have gotten that ball easily.

Fman99
Apr 07 2008 12:34 PM

metirish wrote:
="Fman99"]Thanks.



I always thought you were Willets.


No actually I am Fman99.

themetfairy
Apr 07 2008 12:56 PM

Every time this thread pops up I get anxious that I've made a mistake in my voting.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 07 2008 01:01 PM

I have to say, the voting so far has been just about perfect. My spreadsheet is sucking up the votes and spitting out the results with almost no intervention on my part.

There have been no misspellings. Nobody's awarded more than ten points. There's been good participation, even in the losses.

Great work everybody!


In other business, I'll be posting the official reminder, with links, tomorrow, but voting for both Atlanta games will close on Wednesday morning.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 08 2008 07:00 AM

And here's the official notice that voting for both of these games will close on Wednesday morning:

Schaefer POTG 04/05/08 Atlanta 11, Mets 5 (9 votes so far)

Schaefer POTG 04/06/08 Atlanta 3, Mets 1 (10 votes so far)

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 08 2008 07:29 AM

metsmarathon wrote:
Santana 6.8
Wright 1.8
Church 0.2


Oops, metsmarathon.

You've gone over the 6-point maximum on Santana. Please edit.

metsmarathon
Apr 08 2008 08:26 AM

my bad.

last year, i only gave out one 6-point performance, to tom glavine on 27 july (he earned 6.4). five games into this year, i'm already giving out 6 points in a loss!

metsmarathon
Apr 09 2008 12:49 PM

my schaeffering is upside down from everybody else! i'm giving almost 4 beers to delgado, and only a single beer to perez!

delgado gets credit for the go ahead home run, another single, and turning a dp all by his lonesome, with demerits for two unproductive at bats including one lob, and the error.

perez gets gredit for 5.2 ip, 2ks, and leaving in line for the win, with demerits for 3 hits, 3 walks, 2 hbp, a balk, failing to turn in a quality start, and bequeathing two runners.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 09 2008 12:52 PM

I figure Delgado's error did more harm than the benefit provided by his home run, but I didn't think he deserved a zero. So I gave him a half point.

Perez did very well. The only flaw was that he couldn't go deep enough into the game. I gave him 3.5. If he had finished the sixth, I probably would have given him a 4.

metsmarathon
Apr 09 2008 01:07 PM

yeah, if perez is left in to finish the 6th, and gets a nice, easy, uneventful ground ball out, he leaves the game with a health 4 beers, and knocks delgado down to 3 beers. his thirstiness, then, falls on willie's head, presuming oliver would've gotten that lone uneventful out, of course.

but i've long been holding it against pitchers who cannot start a game without getting a quality start out of the affair, and there's a reason (aside from just managerial incompetence) that willie took him out when he did. failing to get that quality start can really hurt a pitcher when i vote. also, this year, i started tracking bequeathed runners, and having bequeathed runners, perez gets the hit there.

delgado is helped, of course, by the fact that nobody else was doing much schaefer-earning.

OE. does any blame for the error go to reyes? i mean, i just looked at the relay, and honetly, i'm not sure where delgado could've thrown the ball to get around utley, to reyes. should reyes have given more of an inside target, albeit forcing delgado into a more unnatural throw more across the basepath and his body? perhaps delgado should've recognized that and gone to first for the sure force instead?

Frayed Knot
Apr 09 2008 09:12 PM

Must .. resist .. temptation.. to give Scheffer points to Eric Bruntlett

Rockin' Doc
Apr 09 2008 09:42 PM

Can't we at least send a beer over to the visitors locker room as a thank you?

Fman99
Apr 10 2008 06:55 AM

Frayed Knot wrote:
Must .. resist .. temptation.. to give Scheffer points to Eric Bruntlett


He must be quite the soccer player. Kicking the ball around like Beckham out there.

AG/DC
Apr 10 2008 07:45 AM

Maybe Rollins is the MVP after all.

metsmarathon
Apr 10 2008 07:57 AM

somebody's gonna get yelled at in today's voting thread...

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 10 2008 08:21 AM

I figure you're either referring to the comments by *62, which are okay, since they're within the same post that contains the votes and they don't contain any numeric characters, or to Johnny Lunchbucket awarding 10.2 points. I won't "yell" over that one either; my magic spreadsheet will automatically pro-rate the points.

I'm glad to see the levels of participation have been pretty good so far, even in games that the Mets have lost.

Meanwhile, voting for Tuesday afternoon's home opening loss to the Phillies will close early on Friday morning:

http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=8637

metsmarathon
Apr 10 2008 09:06 AM

oh. well. fine.

soupcan misspelled pelfrey, too. does that merit a yelling?

soupcan
Apr 10 2008 09:15 AM

Hey, e.e. marathon - glass houses, pal.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 10 2008 09:17 AM

="metsmarathon"]soupcan misspelled pelfrey, too. does that merit a yelling?


HE DID WHAT???

soupcan
Apr 10 2008 09:25 AM

Har-har-har-de-har-har.

I'll edit if you want, but doesn't that add numbers to the body of the post?

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 10 2008 09:48 AM

No, the spreadsheet knows how to avoid those editing comments.

It will also point out the misspelling, which will remind me to fix it. So it's no big deal either way.

seawolf17
Apr 10 2008 09:53 AM

This mystery spreadsheet is fancy as hell.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 10 2008 09:55 AM

It is indeed. When it's time for me to close out and tally a game, start to finish takes no more than a couple of minutes.

If not for the magic spreadsheet, I wouldn't be doing this stuff! It would be work!

metsmarathon
Apr 10 2008 11:51 AM

="Benjamin Grimm"]
="metsmarathon"]soupcan misspelled pelfrey, too. does that merit a yelling?


HE DID WHAT???


much better. thank you.

*62
Apr 10 2008 07:30 PM

Benjamin Grimm wrote:
I figure you're either referring to the comments by *62, which are okay, since they're within the same post that contains the votes and they don't contain any numeric characters, or to Johnny Lunchbucket awarding 10.2 points. I won't "yell" over that one either; my magic spreadsheet will automatically pro-rate the points.

I'm glad to see the levels of participation have been pretty good so far, even in games that the Mets have lost.

Meanwhile, voting for Tuesday afternoon's home opening loss to the Phillies will close early on Friday morning:

http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=8637

Sorry for 'posting' in the thread before reading the guideline ... deleted the comments

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Benjamin Grimm
Apr 10 2008 07:33 PM

As I said above, it's okay to post a comment along with your vote. (It's also mentioned in the guidelines.) I just don't want non-vote posts in the thread. (At least not until after the voting has closed.)

So no need to have apologized *62! Sorry if I led you to think otherwise.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Apr 11 2008 07:24 AM

Soso will probably set a new record for most refreshment per pitch today.

*62
Apr 11 2008 07:59 AM

How can a starter, in this day and age, not get a minimum of three or four 'points' for a "quality start"?

Maine may have been mediocore last night but he still - with Feliciano's help - kept the Mets up front.

Just my $0.02.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 11 2008 08:06 AM

When a game runs into extra innings, the points tend to get pinched. I would have normally given Maine a 4 for his effort, but so many relievers also made important contributions that some of their rewards had to come at Maine's expense.

He did pitch 6 innings, but it was only half the game, so it's, in a way, sort of like he only pitched 4-plus.

Not his fault, of course, that the game went into extras, but that's how Schaefer works, with its ten-point limit.

Triple Dee
Apr 11 2008 08:07 AM

While I agree with you, in principle, in last night's win 4-5 different personnel made key contributions. However, the people who gave Maine < 2 should go shoot themselves!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Apr 11 2008 08:11 AM

bang.

ow.

*62
Apr 11 2008 08:56 AM

No, I get it ... I'd have ordinarily given him at least five if the game had ended 3-1 in nine .....

Still, every reliever doesn't necessarily need a bump for an innings work - necessarily. It's good to see the different values placed on contributions; that's what makes the world go 'round. By the same token, a four-run performance by the offense (over 12 innings) doesn't necessitate giving out too many points to the lineup.

I tend to look at the score, how the game progressed, and decide ahead of time the pitching/hitting split ... then I make it fit.

Vive le difference.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 11 2008 09:02 AM

I try to always reward a reliever who pitches a scoreless inning in a tie game.

Anyway, here's the latest notice about thread closing:

Voting for the Mets Wednesday night 8-2 win over the Phillies will close some time over the weekend, perhaps as early as Saturday morning:

http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=8652


There's still plenty of time to vote on last night's 12-inning game. The two-workday rule means that voting will be open until Tuesday morning of next week.

Rockin' Doc
Apr 13 2008 07:44 AM

It seems that Wright is receiving a lot of love and beer for someone that committed two errors in the game. Such miscues, whether they directly lead to runs or not, make the pitcher have to throw more pitches and work harder to make up for the lost outs. Granted he did drive in two of the Mets three runs (solo HR and sac fly), but how many additional pitches did Santana have to throw due to his errors? He also stranded more men on base than any other Mets hitter. Maybe I'm being a little too hard on Wright, but I'm curious how others view such a game.

*62
Apr 13 2008 08:12 AM

I agree 100%; and Johan pitched well enough to earn more than most people are giving credit for, IMO.

Gwreck
Apr 13 2008 04:09 PM

I don't think so. If you can't pitch a "quality start," you can't get more than 2 points.

*62
Apr 13 2008 04:31 PM

He had two earned runs through six .... he should have never been trotted out for the seventh, IMO, already near 100 pitches, no velocity, and not anywhere near his best stuff.

He .... battled.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 14 2008 08:54 AM

Voting for Thursday's 12-inning win over the Phillies will close early on Tuesday morning:

http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=8665

Fman99
Apr 14 2008 12:53 PM

*62 wrote:
He had two earned runs through six .... he should have never been trotted out for the seventh, IMO, already near 100 pitches, no velocity, and not anywhere near his best stuff.

He .... battled.


Ugh. I threw up in my mouth when I read that phrase.

Godspeed Mr. Howe.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 15 2008 07:41 AM

Tomorrow is "Wacky Wednesday" when three (count 'em!) three Schaefer voting threads will close.

If you haven't voted for all three games from the weekend's series against the Brewers at Shea, you'll have until early tomorrow morning to do so.

Schaefer POTG 4/11/08 - Mets 4, Brewers 2

Schaefer POTG 04/12/08 Milwaukee 5, Mets 3

Schaefer POTG 4/13/08 - Brewers 9, Mets 7

m.e.t.b.o.t.
Apr 16 2008 07:47 AM

m.e.t.b.o.t. has uncovered a potential flaw in the core algorithm m.e.t.b.o.t. utilizes to calculate schaefer points, as it pertains to the new york metropolitan loss on 13 april. in the win expectancy data presented on www.fangraphs.com, the sole responsibility of a double play is laid upon the feet of the batter. metropolitan second baseman luis castillo is held responsible for the entire decrease in win expectancy (-0.287) while brady clark receives none, despite the fact that clark was not forced into a double play.

m.e.t.b.o.t. has been programmed with fairness indicators, which better enable m.e.t.b.o.t. to socially interact with humans. while these indicators are not intended to be applied towards schaefer voting, the parameters of this instance do present enough of a trigger that m.e.t.b.o.t. cannot ignore the feedback.

m.e.t.b.o.t. has elected to share the responsibility for the play evenly between both the metropolitan batter and the metropolitan baserunner. as a result, brady clark is reduced from +0.108 to -0.036 win percentage added and luis castillo is increased from -0.143 to 0.000 win percentage added.

as a consequence of this decision, brady clark does not receive 1.85 schaefer points, which are redistributed proportionally to the remainder of metropolitans which contributed positively towards the win. metropolitan left fielder angel pagan receives the greatest share of these points, increasing angel pagan's total from 3.13 to 3.66.

m.e.t.b.o.t. understands that there is a liklihood that this effect could average itself out across an entire season, in that a baserunner scoring from first base on a single is attributed to the batter as well, despite being a choice made by the runner. however, this case is of such a relatively uncommon nature that m.e.t.b.o.t. could not ignore it.

m.e.t.b.o.t. is now concerned that this action may be a direct contradiction of m.e.t.b.o.t.'s core mission - to provide input to the schaefer voting based solely upon win expectancy data. if additional human input is such that m.e.t.b.o.t. should not deviate from this purpose, m.e.t.b.o.t. will amend the vote to credit metropolitan brady clark 1.87 schaeffer votes, with appropriate proportional reductions to the remaining positively contributing metropolitans.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 16 2008 08:01 AM

If m.e.t.b.o.t. is thinking of amending its April 13 Schaefer voting, it had better do so very quickly, as the thread is due to be closed at my first opportunity this morning.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 16 2008 08:28 AM

April's Schaefer standings, through Sunday's game, show some interesting leaders.

If you want to mentally update the numbers through last night's game, figure a four-point increase for both Pelfrey and Wright. That would put Pelfrey into the lead for Pitcher of the Month, and Wright very close to Pagan for Player of the Month. (Keep in mind that Santana's March 31 game isn't included. For the full season totals, including that one game, Johan is the overall leading point getter, ahead of Pagan 11.09 to 10.76.)

Month-to-date totals for April 2008
Through game of April 13, 2008
RankNamePoints
1Angel Pagan10.25
2Ryan Church7.59
3Johan Santana6.68
4Oliver Perez6.32
5David Wright5.63
6Carlos Delgado5.54
7Brian Schneider5.13
8Carlos Beltran4.74
9Nelson Figueroa3.62
10Jorge Sosa3.55
11Aaron Heilman3.44
12Damion Easley3.04
13Mike Pelfrey3.01
14José Reyes2.85
15John Maine2.26
16Joe Smith2.23
17Carlos Muniz1.86
18Billy Wagner1.46
19Scott Schoeneweis1.38
20Pedro Feliciano1.24
21Raul Casanova0.80
22Luis Castillo0.50
23Endy Chavez0.30
24Brady Clark0.12
25Pedro Martinez0.04

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 17 2008 06:30 AM

Voting for Wednesday's Mets 6-0 win over Washington will close early on Friday morning.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 18 2008 06:58 AM

Voting for the long-awaited Chico and the Maine matchup will close over the weekend.

This was Wednesday night's 5-2 victory over the Nationals. Only 12 votes so far, which is a little light for a Mets win. If you still intend to vote, please do so today. Voting may close as early as Saturday morning.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 21 2008 08:36 AM

Voting for Thursday night's 14-inning win over the Nationals at Shea will close on Tuesday morning.

http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=8734

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 22 2008 06:50 AM

Tomorrow is another Wacky Wednesday, as we close all three games from the weekend series in Philadelphia.

Voting for Saturday's and Sunday's games are still a little bit light; it looks like some regular voters may not have voted yet. If that means you, please be sure to vote some time today.


Schaefer POTG 04/18/08 Mets 6, Philadelphia 4

Schaefer POTG 04/19/08 Mets 4, Philadelphia 2

Schaefer POTG 4/20/08 - Phillies 5, Mets 4

Fman99
Apr 23 2008 04:32 AM

Mets 0

There. I wanted to put that in the last two POTG votes but I don't want to fuck anything up.

Triple Dee
Apr 23 2008 05:43 AM

Fman99 wrote:
Mets 0


The natives are growing restless.

Fman99
Apr 23 2008 05:57 AM

Triple Dee wrote:
="Fman99"]Mets 0


The natives are growing restless.


Perhaps.

I still think of the former NL East teams as real rivals. I hate losing to the stupid Cubs and the stupid Pirates. Damn this unbalanced schedule... do we really need 38 games against Florida and Washington?

Plus they played some lifeless ball the last two days. Aside from the starting pitching, which was steady, what was there to get excited about?

ARGH.

AG/DC
Apr 23 2008 06:13 AM

Count me in favor of playing 72 games in division.

Triple Dee
Apr 23 2008 06:20 AM

There's ~90% of the season left -- it's a cliché but it's true.


Fman99 - "what was there to get excited about?"

The return of Pedro.

Seriously -- next month, there's 7 games straight of MFY and Braves. If that doesn't get the pulse racing, I don't know what will.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 23 2008 07:29 AM

I also like the unbalanced schedule.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 23 2008 07:35 AM

Early on Thursday morning we'll be closing the voting for the first of the two ugly Mets losses in Chicago.

The second ugly loss will close on Friday. I'll post another reminder for that game on Thursday.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 24 2008 06:10 AM

Voting for Tuesday afternoon's disaster at Wrigley Field will close early on Friday.

themetfairy
Apr 24 2008 09:30 AM

In the 4/23 win over the Nationals, Church should get some love for that great run-saving catch he made (in addition to his offense). If he missed that ball, the whole complexion of the game would have changed dramatically.

themetfairy
Apr 24 2008 08:39 PM

If it wouldn't violate CPF rules and lots of laws, I'd give all of the Schaefer tonight to Junya Yokoyama. Sure, he's only 12, but the kid gave up one run in four innings and hit two 3-run home runs tonight.

Yeah, he's a Little Leaguer. But he could have outplayed every Met tonight!

SteveJRogers
Apr 24 2008 09:04 PM

I guess you are disqualified from giving MK points?

themetfairy
Apr 24 2008 09:10 PM

He battled, but this wasn't his strongest performance on the diamond.

He should have been hitting off of Heilman instead of that 11-year-old.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 25 2008 06:25 AM

Voting for Wednesday night's 7-2 win over the Nationals has been surprisingly light so far. Nevertheless, voting for this game will close some time over the weekend.

If your name isn't *62, Benjamin Grimm, Fman99, Frayed Knot, John Cougar Lunchbucket, TransMonk, Triple Dee, metirish or themetfairy, and you plan to vote, please try to do so today.

themetfairy
Apr 27 2008 06:29 PM

Don't forget to give Church some Schaefer for his catch today. Like I said the other day about that game in DC, if he missed that ball the entire complexion of the game would have changed dramatically.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 28 2008 08:49 AM

Voting for Thursday night's 10-5 loss in Washington will close on Tuesday morning.

So far, only seven votes have been entered, which, I think, is a low for the season. If you plan to vote, and your name isn't *62, Benjamin Grimm, Fman99, Frayed Knot, KC, themetfairy, or Triple Dee, please try to do so today.

All three games from the weekend series against the Braves at Shea will close on Wednesday morning. (I'll post another reminder, with links, tomorrow.)

Finally, April is drawing to a close this week, so we can expect to see the first Player of the Month and Pitcher of the Month annoucment of 2008 by the weekend, or Monday at the latest.

metsmarathon
Apr 28 2008 08:58 AM

i'm playing catchup, as i've been a slacker of late. shall vote in all available games by the close of today.

*62
Apr 28 2008 02:06 PM

Season tally?

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 28 2008 02:08 PM

Always available at http://potg.ultimatemets.com/

*62
Apr 28 2008 02:14 PM

Gracias!

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 29 2008 06:10 AM

Tomorrow is another Wacky Wednesday, with three games closing. (The Mets weekend series at Shea against the Braves.)

If you haven't voted yet for these games (and the voting has been rather light considering that the Mets won two of the games) then please do so today.

Schaefer POTG 04/25/08 - Braves 6, Mets 3
Schaefer PotG 04/26/08; Mets 4, Braves 3
Schaefer POTG 04/27/08 Mets 6, Atlanta 3

Benjamin Grimm
May 01 2008 06:07 AM

Tuesday night's Mets win at Shea against the Pirates will close on Friday morning.

Benjamin Grimm
May 02 2008 06:52 AM

It's just about time to close out the month of April.

Voting for Wednesday's 13-1 loss to the Pirates will close some time over the weekend.

There will also be an announcement of April's Player of the Month and Pitcher of the Month.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 05 2008 07:30 AM

I went back and added some beer for Church's throw. If he doesn't make that perfect you know they go on to score a half-dozen that inning, so do the right thing. Most of you could probably "afford" it by subracting from Santana, who despite allowing just 2 runs blew a lead, didn't have a single clean inning and made the bullpen work extra hard.

AG/DC
May 05 2008 07:37 AM

Nice tag by WRightthere, too.

Churchie also made a nice running catch with two out and three snakes on the plane in the bottom of the sixth.

Benjamin Grimm
May 06 2008 08:13 AM

The April Player of the Month results met with a resounding thud of disapproval, but we'll continue nonetheless.

Tomorrow is, once again, Wacky Wednesday, and all three games from the weekend series in Phoenix will be closed and tallied tomorrow morning. If you plan to vote but haven't yet, please try to do so today.


Schaefer POTG 5/2/08 - Mets 7, Diamondbacks 2
Schaefer POTG 05/03/08 D'backs 10, Mets 4
Schaefer POTG 5/4/08 - Mets 5, Diamondbacks 2

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 07 2008 08:11 AM

re: 5/5-5/6 voting -- I don't see where Figueroa gets Schaefer Tuesday and Perez not on Monday. Here are the lines:

Figueroa 5 8 5 5 4 3
Perez 6 6 5 5 2 3

The only major difference between the outings is that Figueroa blew a lead whereas Perez never had one to protect. Check your biases!

Benjamin Grimm
May 07 2008 08:24 AM

I gave a point to Perez for going 6 innings. (My policy is to always give something to a pitcher who goes 6.)

I'm giving nothing to Figueroa. My line in the sand is six innings. Nothing for 5 bad innings, a sip for 6.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 07 2008 08:27 AM

You're the exception. I'd like to hear from those who can argue Figgy is deserving where Perez was not.

AG/DC
May 07 2008 08:33 AM

Churchie is coming up short this morning. He may have fallen down on the job, but he got six of the Mets' 15 total bases.

themetfairy
May 07 2008 08:40 AM

I gave Figgy half a point. Not for his pitching, but for getting on base during the big (but not big enough) inning.

And Mr. Wright should be getting some more love for his glovework last night, IMO.

Benjamin Grimm
May 07 2008 11:13 AM

I meant to give this notice this morning, but didn't. So, in the interest of 24-hour notice, I'll wait until afternoon to close the voting, instead of the usual morning deadline.

Voting for Monday night's series-opening loss in Los Angeles will close some time after 1 p.m. on Thursday afternoon.

KC
May 07 2008 05:19 PM

This was a lost series for me, and I hate voting from boxes alone.

Glad the boys are coming east.

Rockin' Doc
May 07 2008 08:00 PM

It was a lost series for the team too.

Benjamin Grimm
May 08 2008 07:27 AM

Voting for Tuesday night's 5-4 loss in Los Angeles will close on Friday morning.

soupcan
May 08 2008 07:51 AM

I only vote if I'm able to see/hear most of the game in question. I was out of town during the last home series' against the Braves and Bucs. Didn't get to see much of those so I abstained.

That's really my only hard and fast rule.

While I was away though, I did personally witness a Brandon Webb - Jake Peavey 2-1 pitchers duel that was quite entertaining.

Too bad I couldn't vote on that one.

Benjamin Grimm
May 09 2008 07:11 AM

Voting for Wednesday afternoon's 12-1 win over the Dodgers will close some time over the weekend.

Benjamin Grimm
May 09 2008 07:13 AM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
re: 5/5-5/6 voting -- I don't see where Figueroa gets Schaefer Tuesday and Perez not on Monday. Here are the lines:

Figueroa 5 8 5 5 4 3
Perez 6 6 5 5 2 3

The only major difference between the outings is that Figueroa blew a lead whereas Perez never had one to protect. Check your biases!


Now that both games have been tallied, Perez has earned 0.41 points for his start, while Figueroa earned 0.20 for his.

So Perez ended up outscoring Figueroa, which seems correct to me.

Benjamin Grimm
May 10 2008 01:31 PM

Because of the consecutive off-days, we're actually in a rare situation where all games have been tallied. (Except, of course, for the one that's currently underway.)

Here are the current month-to-date and year-to-date Schaefer standings. A compelling three-way battle for the number one slot:

Month-to-date totals for May 2008
Through game of May 7, 2008
RankNamePoints
1John Maine8.11
2Ryan Church6.09
3José Reyes4.43
4David Wright3.56
5Johan Santana3.54
6Carlos Delgado3.28
7Moises Alou2.46
8Carlos Beltran2.25
9Marlon Anderson2.23
10Jorge Sosa2.19
11Aaron Heilman1.95
12Luis Castillo1.62
13Raul Casanova1.40
14Angel Pagan1.20
15Brian Schneider0.84
16Scott Schoeneweis0.71
17Pedro Feliciano0.66
18Billy Wagner0.63
19Joe Smith0.52
20Oliver Perez0.41
21Nelson Figueroa0.20
22Duaner Sanchez0.19
23Mike Pelfrey0.17



Season-to-date totals for 2008
Through game of May 7, 2008
RankNamePoints
1Johan Santana25.26
2David Wright24.65
3Ryan Church23.92
4John Maine19.20
5José Reyes17.34
6Carlos Beltran16.14
7Angel Pagan13.44
8Carlos Delgado13.22
9Nelson Figueroa10.95
10Oliver Perez10.18
11Jorge Sosa8.84
12Aaron Heilman8.70
13Billy Wagner8.26
14Mike Pelfrey7.86
15Luis Castillo7.81
16Brian Schneider6.87
17Joe Smith5.94
18Raul Casanova5.84
19Damion Easley4.63
20Pedro Feliciano4.45
21Scott Schoeneweis4.37
22Duaner Sanchez4.21
23Marlon Anderson3.40
24Moises Alou2.46
25Carlos Muniz1.86
25Endy Chavez1.86
27Brady Clark0.70
28Pedro Martinez0.04
29Gustavo Molina0.02

Benjamin Grimm
May 11 2008 05:56 PM

Metfairy, you voted for Heilman in Sunday's game, but he didn't play.

Can you please edit? Thanks!

http://cranepoolforum.qwknetllc.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=8955

themetfairy
May 11 2008 06:07 PM

Done - I caught that after I saw your Schaefer points.

At a glance, I thought it was Heilman rather than Schoenweis in the 7th. I've since given the sip to the right reliever.

Benjamin Grimm
May 13 2008 07:03 AM

Schaefer participation is at record lows. I'm beginning to think that I may not bother doing this in 2009, but we'll see how the rest of the season goes.


Anyway, all three games from the weekend series against the Reds at Shea will close tomorrow morning.

Saturday afternoon
Saturday night
Sunday afternoon

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 13 2008 07:36 AM

My fault. Had a bizzy weekend and fell way behind

Benjamin Grimm
May 14 2008 11:09 AM

Voting for Monday's loss to the Nationals at Shea will close on Thursday afternoon.

Only six voters so far, so if you've yet to vote, please do so.

http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=8966

Willets Point
May 14 2008 11:39 AM

Benjamin Grimm wrote:
Schaefer participation is at record lows. I'm beginning to think that I may not bother doing this in 2009, but we'll see how the rest of the season goes.


Grump, grump, grump. I haven't had time to even watch a game in two weeks much less vote on one.

Benjamin Grimm
May 14 2008 11:45 AM

Willets Point wrote:
="Benjamin Grimm"]Schaefer participation is at record lows. I'm beginning to think that I may not bother doing this in 2009, but we'll see how the rest of the season goes.


Grump, grump, grump. I haven't had time to even watch a game in two weeks much less vote on one.


I'm just saying...

I don't mind doing the Schaefer stuff because, as I've said, it's not a whole lot of work. But if I'm only doing it for five people, then maybe even the little effort it takes is too much.

Willets Point
May 14 2008 11:47 AM

I'm just jealous really.

metirish
May 14 2008 11:51 AM

I can't post here at the board from my home PC , getting an " invalid session please resubmit " error for the past week and we can't seem to figure out why , admin are working on it though.

With marriage and the baby I am not seeing as many games as before either , that's not a complaint although it's something for Edgy to think about with his upcoming nuptials.

Gwreck
May 14 2008 12:09 PM

Benjamin Grimm wrote:
Schaefer participation is at record lows. I'm beginning to think that I may not bother doing this in 2009, but we'll see how the rest of the season goes.


I think this is the point where I again say that I think the voting threads are closed too quickly.

Benjamin Grimm
May 15 2008 08:20 AM

Benjamin Grimm wrote:
Metfairy, you voted for Heilman in Sunday's game, but he didn't play.

Can you please edit? Thanks!

http://cranepoolforum.qwknetllc.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=8955


You did it again, Fairy!

You gave a half point to Sanchez for Wednesday's game, and he didn't pitch:

themetfairy
May 15 2008 08:41 AM

Sorry about that. I thought I saw Duaner warming up, and I didn't realize it wasn't him in the 9th.

seawolf17
May 15 2008 08:43 AM

I haven't actually watched a game in two weeks.

*62
May 15 2008 09:05 AM

Benjamin Grimm wrote:
I don't mind doing the Schaefer stuff because, as I've said, it's not a whole lot of work. But if I'm only doing it for five people, then maybe even the little effort it takes is too much.

I hope you keep it going ..... I'd have the feature at F.U. if it wouldn't be such a shameless ripoff. But it would.

I come for the vote; I hope you can keep it up. Good job.

Benjamin Grimm
May 15 2008 09:12 AM

Thank you, *62! I'll definitely keep it going through the end of 2008. We'll see how I feel about it next spring.

Benjamin Grimm
May 15 2008 10:33 AM

Voting for Tuesday night's win over the Nationals at Shea will close some time on Friday afternoon.

Seven voters so far. If your name isn't themetfairy, *62, John Cougar Lunchbucket, Gwreck, Frayed Knot, Benjamin Grimm, or Fman99 then you haven't voted yet.

Fman99
May 15 2008 10:36 AM

C'mon people. Even if you didn't watch the game, you can look at the box score and see who might rate.

themetfairy
May 15 2008 11:20 AM

Never mind....

*62
May 15 2008 03:43 PM

Benjamin Grimm wrote:
Thank you, *62! I'll definitely keep it going through the end of 2008. We'll see how I feel about it next spring.

Well, not only for the vote ..... y'all are a decent group, good discussion .... and this is the only place I haven't been banned, aside from my own playground, of course.

Benjamin Grimm
May 16 2008 08:15 AM

Last call for votes for Tuesday night's win over Washington. (John Maine's game.) Voting will close in a few hours. (9 voters so far.)

Voting for Claudio Vargas' game (Wednesday night's loss to the Nationals) will close some time over the weekend.

We're getting really good turnout for yesterday's 1-0 loss. Voting for that game will continue until Tuesday. (I'll post a final reminder on Monday.)

themetfairy
May 18 2008 09:20 PM

For purposes of Schaefer voting in the Mets/MFY Sunday night game, I'm treating Delgado as if the umps got the call right on the 3-run homer.

AG/DC
May 19 2008 07:46 AM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 19 2008 10:21 AM

62* wrote:
Some of you guys are WHACK! Pitching gives up two runs at Yanqui Stadium and the offense gets 7 of 10 points for unnecessary run production??

WHACK!, I tell 'ya. Howz' about some run production when the pitching gives up FIVE?! Then I'll be impressed, personally.


A team that scores 13 runs is going to win 88.2% of the time. A team that gives up two is going to win 84.2% of the time.

I dould have given the pitchers more than the three poings, but I'm OK with my vote.

Benjamin Grimm
May 19 2008 08:25 AM

Voting for Mike Pelfrey's 1-0 loss to the Nationals on Thursday afternoon will close on Tuesday morning.

I'll post another reminder tomorrow, but both games at Yankee Stadium this weekend will close on Wednesday.

*62
May 19 2008 10:15 AM

Except that they scored eleven, not thirteen.

Check the newspapers.

And the percentages say.........

AG/DC
May 19 2008 10:22 AM

I don't think it's too much of a stretch to give Delgado beer credit here for what was taken away unjustly by the umps.

Benjamin Grimm
May 20 2008 08:41 AM

Saturday: Mets 7, Yankees 4
Sunday: Mets 11, Yankees 2


Voting for both games played in the Bronx this weekend will close on Wednesday morning.

Benjamin Grimm
May 21 2008 08:56 AM

Season-to-date totals for 2008
Through game of May 18, 2008
RankNamePoints
1Johan Santana31.35
2David Wright30.08
3Ryan Church29.62
4Carlos Beltran24.94
5John Maine22.53
6José Reyes22.17
7Oliver Perez17.12
8Mike Pelfrey16.24
9Carlos Delgado16.13
10Angel Pagan13.44
11Brian Schneider11.24
12Nelson Figueroa10.95
13Billy Wagner10.23
14Luis Castillo9.92
15Aaron Heilman9.59
16Jorge Sosa9.06
17Joe Smith7.12
18Moises Alou6.62
19Damion Easley6.25
20Raul Casanova5.84
21Scott Schoeneweis5.26
22Pedro Feliciano5.23
23Duaner Sanchez5.02
24Marlon Anderson3.59
25Claudio Vargas3.47
26Endy Chavez1.95
27Carlos Muniz1.86
28Matt Wise1.08
29Brady Clark0.70
30Fernando Tatis0.11
31Pedro Martinez0.04
32Gustavo Molina0.02

themetfairy
May 22 2008 05:40 AM

I think that last night's game is the first one where I could not find one pitcher deserving of even a sip of Schaefer :(

Benjamin Grimm
May 22 2008 06:44 AM

Voting for both ends of Tuesday's day-night doubleheader in Atlanta will close on Friday morning.

Afternoon game
Nightcap

Voting for the second game is particularly light. So far, we only have votes from themetfairy, Benjamin Grimm, Fman99, John Cougar Lunchbucket, AG/DC, and soupcan.

Benjamin Grimm
May 23 2008 07:14 AM

Voting for Wednesday night's 11-4 loss in Atlanta will close some time over the Memorial Day weekend:

http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=9051

seawolf17
May 23 2008 10:20 AM

I'm not saying the Mets win the game, but Beltran misplaying Kelly Johnson's hit into a double in the seventh negated his home run for me.

Best case, Johnson gets cut down at second for the first out, or medium case, he's held to a single, which might change the whole context of the inning.

Benjamin Grimm
May 23 2008 10:29 AM

I gave Beltran and Delgado equal points, but Beltran would have had more (the extra hit and the stolen base) if not for the misplay in center field.

soupcan
May 23 2008 10:55 AM

I would've given the Mets more points if they won.

Benjamin Grimm
May 27 2008 05:53 AM

Voting for Thursday's 4-2 loss in Atlanta will close on Wednesday morning.

AG/DC
May 27 2008 07:16 AM

That link no workie for me. Try this: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=9066

Fman99
May 27 2008 08:12 PM

I hope it's OK that I started tonight's POTG thread. Makes me feel like part of the family, you know?

Elster88
May 27 2008 08:23 PM

Why are peeps giving Wags more beer than Sanchez for the Tuesday 5/27 game?

Frayed Knot
May 27 2008 08:37 PM

Perfect 9th vs a lead-off double 8th

TransMonk
May 27 2008 08:38 PM

Elster88 wrote:
Why are peeps giving Wags more beer than Sanchez for the Tuesday 5/27 game?


1. Wags didn't allow a leadoff double.
2. Wags had 2 Ks to Duaner's 1
3. I feel our system undervalues him and I believe he deserves a little more recognition for being one of the better players on this mediocre team.

The top of this page shows him earning a little more beer than Luis Castillo and a little less than Nelson Figueroa this month, which is bullshit...and that was before he blew the save.

If peeps are going to give middle relievers points in losses where they did little to effect the outcome of the game, other than not put the final score more in the favor of the opposition, than I have no problem giving Wags 2 points when he does his job emphatically in a win (which is the only time he can possibly earn points anyway).

Elster88
May 27 2008 08:47 PM

I can see the one double to no hits argument. I don't agree that K's are more valuable than other outs, provided no runners are scored or advanced. I definitely don't agree with changing your vote because of what someone else votes.

The last is essentially using your vote to cancel out someone else's. It'd be like if I gave Sanchez a lot of extra beer b/c I think you guys are shortchanging him. Not right.

Just my two cents.

themetfairy
May 27 2008 08:51 PM

Elster88 wrote:
I can see the one double to no hits argument. I don't agree that K's are more valuable than other outs, provided no runners are scored or advanced. I definitely don't agree with changing your vote because of what someone else votes.

The last is essentially using your vote to cancel out someone else's. It'd be like if I gave Sanchez a lot of extra beer b/c I think you guys are shortchanging him. Not right.

Just my two cents.


I agree with Elster. Duaner working himself out of the jam made his scoreless inning as valuable as Wagner's scoreless inning in my book. And I believe that middle relievers who keep the team in the game deserve some suds for the effort.

Frayed Knot
May 27 2008 08:54 PM

Shouldn't get extra credit for working out of a jam that you yourself created.

And if we, as fans, are going to five closers extra grief for blowing 9th inning leads we can't then give the equivelent of 'no big deal' when he does close one out - and perfectly no less.

themetfairy
May 27 2008 09:01 PM

Frayed Knot wrote:
Shouldn't get extra credit for working out of a jam that you yourself created.

And if we, as fans, are going to five closers extra grief for blowing 9th inning leads we can't then give the equivelent of 'no big deal' when he does close one out - and perfectly no less.


It wasn't extra credit. I valued Duaner's scoreless 8th equally with Wagner's scoreless 9th. Each scoreless inning was equally valuable in my evaluation.

Frayed Knot
May 27 2008 09:11 PM

You implied otherwise:

"[u:8fb6e44240]Duaner working himself out of the jam[/u:8fb6e44240] made his scoreless inning as valuable as Wagner's scoreless inning in my book"

TransMonk
May 27 2008 09:15 PM

] I don't agree

]Just my two cents

]I agree

]I believe

]In my evaluation


That's what makes the democratic process work. And isn't that what Schaefer is all about? If not, just tell me who the player of the game is and I'll stop voting.

I wasn't trying to be a dick about it...not like if I gave him 6 points.

Gwreck
May 27 2008 09:21 PM

The bigger mystery to me in the 5/27 game is how a couple of voters thought that Tatis was 2 or 1.2 points more valuable than Castro.

Elster88
May 27 2008 09:23 PM

I took away .5 from Castro for not blocking just ONE of the wild pitches from Santana. Tatis has 3 two out RBI.

Gwreck
May 27 2008 09:26 PM

Tatis and Castro both had 2 2-out RBI.

Elster88
May 27 2008 09:30 PM

Well done. I will adjust.

themetfairy
May 28 2008 06:03 AM

Frayed Knot wrote:
You implied otherwise:

"Duaner working himself out of the jam made his scoreless inning as valuable as Wagner's scoreless inning in my book"


What about "as valuable" implies otherwise?

If he hadn't worked out of the jam, he wouldn't have gotten suds from me. But the one runner was stranded, and I gave both pitchers the same number of points for their scoreless innings.

themetfairy
May 28 2008 06:27 AM

TransMonk wrote:
] I don't agree

]Just my two cents

]I agree

]I believe

]In my evaluation


That's what makes the democratic process work. And isn't that what Schaefer is all about? If not, just tell me who the player of the game is and I'll stop voting.

I wasn't trying to be a dick about it...not like if I gave him 6 points.


You're not being a dick. Some of us are just debating voting criteria.

It's all good. Please don't stop voting!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 28 2008 07:51 AM

Gwreck wrote:
The bigger mystery to me in the 5/27 game is how a couple of voters thought that Tatis was 2 or 1.2 points more valuable than Castro.


That was me, I guess. I gave Tats a big bonus for the 1st inning Icebreaker. I know there was already 1 run in, but his was a sexy 2-out drive that made Castro's sexiness possible. He also got credit for taking one for the team, singling to drive in the 4th run, and stealing a base.

If we were naming only a single POTG from the lineup it would be Tatis.

Gwreck
May 28 2008 08:07 AM

Fair enough. Really, I was just curious, if it was a win expectancy thing or some other formula for awarding the points.

The Mets PA announcer announced Tatis as the player of the game and I thought that was curious but the 3x on base I can see putting him over the top.

seawolf17
May 28 2008 08:34 AM

I gave Tatis an extra nudge point for the faux HBP, which led to the insurance run.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 28 2008 08:38 AM

I'd like to hear from those who valued Castro above Tatis.

AG/DC
May 28 2008 08:44 AM

Castro had a walk, and he caught. I usually throw one point to the catchers for every 19 I throw the pitchers.

Benjamin Grimm
May 28 2008 09:09 AM

Four (count 'em!) four games will be closing tomorrow. All three weekend games against the Rockies in Denver, as well as Monday night's homestand opener against the Marlins at Shea:

AG/DC
May 28 2008 09:15 PM

Oliver Perez as the co-leader on one of tonight's ballots?

Willets Point
May 28 2008 09:18 PM

AG/DC wrote:
Oliver Perez as the co-leader on one of tonight's ballots?


Sounds like something I'd do since I'm an Oliver fanboi. But it wasn't me.

Gwreck
May 28 2008 09:18 PM

I know that in extra inning games the awarding of points can be tough, but Perez gets more points than one voter gave to Heilman, Schoeneweis and Wagner combined?

AG/DC
May 28 2008 09:23 PM

Reyes is also consistently getting fewer points than Castillo. I'd like to hear about that.

Gwreck
May 28 2008 09:29 PM

Both were 2-5 with a homer and a walk; Castillo's 2-run homer might've given him a slight edge.

AG/DC
May 28 2008 09:32 PM

One scored two runs, another had two RBI.

Reyes had six total bases to Castillo's five, a steal of third and big play from deep in the hole, throwing without having time to plant his foot.

Benjamin Grimm
May 29 2008 07:29 AM

Voting for Tuesday night's 5-3 win over the Marlins at Shea will close on Friday morning:

http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=9110

soupcan
May 29 2008 08:16 AM

Score last night was 7-6 not 6-5.

Benjamin Grimm
May 30 2008 08:26 AM

Voting for Wednesday night's 12-inning 7-6 (not 6-5) win over the Marlins will close over the weekend.

We've had good voter turnout for that game, but if you're among those who haven't voted, and still intend to, please try to vote today.

http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=9122

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 02 2008 05:01 AM

Voting for the Mets Thursday night win over the Dodgers will close on Tuesday morning:

http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=9133

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 03 2008 06:31 AM

Voting for the remaining three games against the Dodgers will close on Wednesday morning:

Friday: Schaefer POTG 05/30/08 Los Angeles 9, Mets 5
Saturday: Schaefer POTG 05/31/08 Mets 3, Los Angeles 2
Sunday: Schaefer POTG 6/1/08 - Mets 6, Dodgers 1

It's VITALLY IMPORTANT (I'm overstating, of course) for us to get at least one more vote for Friday's game. I'd rather not say why, lest it influence your voting. BUT IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. (I'm overstating again.)

The following people have already voted for Friday's game:
Benjamin Grimm, themetfairy, Frayed Knot, *62, Gwreck, Fman99, DocTee, Rockin' Doc, metirish, John Cougar Lunchbucket

If your name isn't on the list, please consider voting. It's your duty as an American!

themetfairy
Jun 03 2008 06:44 AM

Benjamin Grimm wrote:
Voting for the remaining three games against the Dodgers will close on Wednesday morning:

Friday: Schaefer POTG 05/30/08 Los Angeles 9, Mets 5
Saturday: Schaefer POTG 05/31/08 Mets 3, Los Angeles 2
Sunday: Schaefer POTG 6/1/08 - Mets 6, Dodgers 1

It's VITALLY IMPORTANT (I'm overstating, of course) for us to get at least one more vote for Friday's game. I'd rather not say why, lest it influence your voting. BUT IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. (I'm overstating again.)

The following people have already voted for Friday's game:
Benjamin Grimm, themetfairy, Frayed Knot, *62, Gwreck, Fman99, DocTee, Rockin' Doc, metirish, John Cougar Lunchbucket

If your name isn't on the list, please consider voting. It's your duty as an American!


Someone vote already so we can hear what the big secret is!

Willets Point
Jun 03 2008 07:06 AM

I want to know what the secret is too.

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 03 2008 07:12 AM

It will be revealed tomorrow!

Fman99
Jun 03 2008 08:14 AM

(cough cough) cocktease (cough cough)

Gwreck
Jun 03 2008 08:35 AM

It's the end of the month, I imagine it will affect who is named player of the month. Or pitcher of the month.

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 03 2008 08:47 AM

For one who has lived but one lifetime, Gwreck is very wise.

Yes, a tie-breaker was needed for a coveted award. Willets' vote has tilted the balance.

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 03 2008 09:00 AM

Actually, I think my math was faulty. I just ran the current numbers through my magic spreadsheet, and it turns out that there wasn't, and isn't, a tie that needed to be broken.

Still, we had a very close race in May. Results will be announced tomorrow when the last two May games are tallied.

AG/DC
Jun 03 2008 09:35 AM

I'm in with my swing vote.

Folks round these parts call me The Swinger.

soupcan
Jun 04 2008 07:59 AM

Don't close the remaing Dodger games yet - I'm gonna vote within the next 20 minutes!

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 04 2008 08:02 AM

Okay, I'll hold off for a little bit.

AG/DC
Jun 04 2008 08:08 AM

="soupcan"]Don't close the remaing Dodger games yet - I'm gonna vote within the next 20 minutes!


Hey, he wants to be The Swinger!

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 04 2008 08:11 AM

Meanwhile, the Mets 10-2 Monday night loss to the Giants will close some time on Thursday morning:

http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=9170

soupcan
Jun 04 2008 08:26 AM

Benjamin Grimm wrote:
Okay, I'll hold off for a little bit.


Thanks! Done.

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 05 2008 08:34 AM

Voting for Tuesday night's win over the Giants (the Pedro game) will close some time on Friday morning.

http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=9178

themetfairy
Jun 06 2008 05:51 AM

I gave Church and Endy a little beer for their defense last night.

Elster88
Jun 07 2008 11:36 PM

LOL at the thread title:

Schaefer POTG 6/7/08 - Padres 2, Mets 1 (the Saturday Game)

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 08 2008 08:15 AM

Voting for the Mets 5-3 Wednesday afternoon win in San Francisco will close on Monday.

http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=9189

themetfairy
Jun 08 2008 08:26 AM

="Elster88"]LOL at the thread title:

Schaefer POTG 6/7/08 - Padres 2, Mets 1 (the Saturday Game)


It does seem a bit like Groundhog Day, doesn't it?

Gwreck
Jun 08 2008 06:43 PM

I think Yancy forgot Chavez in the voting for the June 8 game (2-4; the drag bunt RBI; the outfield assist in the 1st inning that saved a run, etc.).

Both Easley and Chavez got some extra consideration for good "D" in my voting.

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 09 2008 07:12 AM

Voting for Thursday's 2-1 loss to the Padres in San Diego will close on Tuesday morning:

http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=9202

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 10 2008 05:51 AM

Voting for the final three games of the San Diego sweep will close on Wednesday morning:

Friday, 2-1 loss: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=9208
Saturday, 2-1 loss: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=9220
Sunday, 8-6 loss: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=9229

Sunday's game is still a little short of votes. We've heard so far from Benjamin Grimm, themetfairy, Gwreck, *62, John Cougar Lunchbucket, metirish, Frayed Knot, Fman99, and Rockin' Doc.

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 12 2008 07:50 AM

Voting for Tuesday night's 9-5 loss to the Diamondbacks will close on Friday morning:

http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=9244

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 13 2008 06:27 AM

Voting for Wednesday night's strangely unsatisfying 13-inning walk-off win vs. Arizona will close some time over the weekend:

http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=9257

themetfairy
Jun 14 2008 07:13 AM

I gave Ollie Perez 6 points last night not just for his pitching, but for his two RBIs as well.

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 14 2008 09:40 AM

Nice three-way battle brewing for the Player of the Year honor:

Season-to-date totals for 2008
Through game of June 11, 2008
RankNamePoints
1Johan Santana44.61
2Carlos Beltran42.59
3David Wright42.11
4José Reyes35.47
5Ryan Church32.77
6John Maine30.79
7Mike Pelfrey28.46
8Carlos Delgado27.06
9Luis Castillo20.58
10Oliver Perez20.22
11Billy Wagner14.62
12Aaron Heilman14.10
13Scott Schoeneweis13.58
14Angel Pagan13.44
15Claudio Vargas13.32
16Brian Schneider11.85
17Nelson Figueroa10.95
18Damion Easley10.62
19Duaner Sanchez10.16
20Joe Smith9.76
21Pedro Feliciano9.15
22Jorge Sosa9.06
23Moises Alou8.69
24Endy Chavez8.14
25Fernando Tatis6.59
26Raul Casanova5.88
27Pedro Martinez4.30
28Ramon Castro4.10
29Marlon Anderson3.68
30Carlos Muniz2.65
31Matt Wise2.25
32Nick Evans2.05
33Brady Clark0.70
34Gustavo Molina0.02

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 16 2008 08:35 AM

Only FIVE people (themetfairy, Benjamin Grimm, *62, Frayed Knot and John Cougar Lunchbucket) have voted for the Mets Thursday afternoon meltdown against Arizona at Shea:

http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=9267

(This is the game where Santana pitched 7 scoreless innings, Wagner blew the save in the ninth, and the Mets lost in ten. Perhaps the thought of voting for this game is too painful for those of us who are more sensitive.)

Nevertheless, voting for this game will close sometime early Tuesday morning.

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 17 2008 11:06 AM

Voting for all three games from the past weekend at Shea against Texas will close on Wednesday morning.

The vote count for Sunday's second-game victory is still a little light.

Schaefer POTG 6/13/08 - Mets 7, Rangers 1
Schaefer POTG 6/15/08, Game 1 - Rangers 8, Mets 7
Schaefer POTG 6/15/08, Game 2 - Mets 4, Rangers 2

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 18 2008 09:56 AM

Only four people have voted for Monday night's win in Anaheim of Los Angeles. (They are metfairy, Benjamin Grimm, John Cougar Lunchbucket, and Frayed Knot.)

Voting will close tomorrow morning regardless.

http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=9316

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 19 2008 09:39 AM

I guess a late night West Coast loss is bound to be lightly voted, and Tuesday night's 6-1 Angels victory is an example of this.

Six voters so far. Voting will close on Friday morning:

http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=9336

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 20 2008 05:49 AM

Voting for Wednesday night's ten-inning Mets win in Anaheim will close some time over the weekend:

http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=9349

Seven voters so far: themetfairy, Frayed Knot, soupcan, John Cougar Lunchbucket, Benjamin Grimm, seawolf17, and Centerfield.

metirish
Jun 20 2008 07:07 AM

Sorry I've missed several votes , with all the recent upheaval I've been in a state of shock.

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 24 2008 06:58 AM

Voting for all three games from this past weekend's series in Denver against the Rockies will close some time on Wednesday morning:

Schaefer POTG 6/20/08 - Mets 7, Rockies 2
Schaefer POTG 6/21/08 - Rockies 7, Mets 1
Schaefer POTG 6/22/08 - Mets 3, Rockies 1


Saturday's loss is still rather light on votes. So far we've heard from themetfairy, Frayed Knot, Benjamin Grimm, metirish, Rockin' Doc, and KC.

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 26 2008 08:44 AM

Voting for Monday and Tuesday nights' losses to the Mariners at Shea will close on Friday morning:

Schaefer POTG 6/23/08 - Mariners 5, Mets 2

Schaefer POTG 06/24/08 Seattle 11, Mets 0

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 27 2008 07:06 AM

Voting for Wednesday night's 8-2 over Seattle at Shea will close some time over the weekend.

Schaefer POTG 6/25/08 - Mets 8, Mariners 2

Gwreck
Jun 27 2008 10:34 PM

I don't necessarily agree with the idea that we can't vote "0" in the polls, but rules are the rules. Accordingly, I am putting my vote of "0" here for the Mets-MFYs Friday night debacle. I didn't forget to vote; I just am voting 0 points.

Rockin' Doc
Jun 30 2008 11:27 AM

I'm back from the left coast and will vote on all the Yankee games later tonight if that won't be too late.

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 30 2008 11:31 AM

Rockin' Doc wrote:
I'm back from the left coast and will vote on all the Yankee games later tonight if that won't be too late.


It won't be. Tomorrow I'll be putting up the announcement that all four games against the Yankees will close on Wednesday morning.

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 01 2008 07:21 AM

All four games from this past weekend's series against the Yankees will close on Wednesday morning:

Schaefer POTG 6/27/08, Game 1 - Mets 15, MFYs 6!
Schaefer POTG 6/27/08, Game 2 - MFYs 9, Mets 0
Schaefer POTG 06/28/08 Yankees 3, Mets 2
Schaefer POTG 6/29/08 - Mets 3, MFYs 1


Look for the announcement of June's Players of the Month sometime later this week!

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 02 2008 07:04 AM

Voting for the Mets 7-1 loss to the Cardinals in St. Louis Monday night will close on Thursday morning:

http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=9461

That will close out the month of June.

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 03 2008 07:17 AM

Voting for Tuesday night's game in St. Louis will close some time over the Independence Day weekend.

Schaefer POTG 7/1/08 - Mets 7, Cardinals 4

Only six votes so far. If you plan to vote, and your name isn't themetfairy, Gwreck, Benjamin Grimm, Elster88, Fman99, or Frayed Knot, please try to vote soon.

Rockin' Doc
Jul 04 2008 09:18 AM

I slept in and then a liesurely breakfast on the patio with the family. When I came in to vote the remainder of the St. Louis series, it was too late for the July 1st win. Oh well, I'll try to be more prompt in the future.

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 07 2008 07:21 AM

Voting for the July 2 loss to the Cardinals will close on Tuesday morning.

Schaefer POTG 7/2/08 - Cardinals 8, Mets 7

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 08 2008 07:32 AM

Four games will close on Wednesday morning:

Schaefer POTG 7/3/08 - Mets 11, Cardinals 1

Schaefer POTG 7/4/08 - Phillies 3, Mets 2

Schaefer POTG 7/5/08 - Mets 9, Phillies 4

Schaefer POTG 7/6/08 - Mets 4, Phillies 2 (12)

Elster88
Jul 09 2008 05:37 AM

Beltran is getting robbed in the 7/6 game.

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 09 2008 07:21 AM

I'm really surprised that three people neglected to give him points.

He was their entire offense for the first nine innings.

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 09 2008 07:28 AM

Voting for Monday night's game, where they won the damn thing by a score of 10 to 9, will close on Thursday morning.

Schaefer POTG 7/7/08 - Mets 10, Phillies 9

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 10 2008 07:03 AM

Look who's July's Player of the Month (so far):

Month-to-date totals for July 2008
Through game of July 7, 2008
RankNamePoints
1Damion Easley6.87
2David Wright6.33
3José Reyes5.15
4Carlos Delgado4.93
5Mike Pelfrey4.64
6Johan Santana4.31
7Fernando Tatis3.68
8Oliver Perez3.44
9Ramon Castro3.22
10Endy Chavez2.76
11Carlos Beltran2.56
12Pedro Martinez2.49
13John Maine2.48
14Joe Smith2.35
15Brian Schneider2.00
16Tony Armas1.88
17Duaner Sanchez1.53
18Ryan Church1.26
19Aaron Heilman1.08
20Billy Wagner0.75
21Marlon Anderson0.54
22Pedro Feliciano0.42
23Scott Schoeneweis0.10

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 10 2008 07:05 AM

Voting for Tuesday night's Freak-defeating 7-0 shutout of the Giants will close on Friday morning:

Schaefer POTG 7/8/08 - Mets 7, Giants 0

themetfairy
Jul 10 2008 09:05 AM

BG - does it matter for purposes of voting whether we write AReyes or Areyes?

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 10 2008 09:35 AM

themetfairy wrote:
BG - does it matter for purposes of voting whether we write AReyes or Areyes?


No, the spreadsheet converts everything to lower case.

For the record, though, we're sticking with "Reyes" for Jose, but AReyes for Argenis. (I think most of us have been correctly voting that way.)

themetfairy
Jul 10 2008 09:35 AM

Thanks BG.

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 11 2008 08:57 AM

Voting for Wednesday night's win over the Giants at Shea will close some time over the weekend:

Schaefer POTG 7/9/08 - Mets 5, Giants 0

seawolf17
Jul 11 2008 08:57 AM

Does it catch JReyes or should I change one of my votes?

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 11 2008 09:02 AM

No, it won't catch JReyes. I'd have to edit that in the spreadsheet. If you want to edit your vote and save me the trouble, it would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 14 2008 08:18 AM

Voting for Thursday afternoon's win over the Giants at Shea will close on Tuesday morning:

Schaefer POTG 7-10-08 - Mets 7, Giants 3

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 17 2008 07:24 AM

Oops! I realized this morning that I've been neglecting my Schaefer duties. (I suppose I got derailed a bit by the All-Star break.)

The Mets' three wins against the Rockies at Shea last weekend, which should have closed yesterday, will instead close tomorrow (Friday) morning:

Schaefer POTG 7/11/08 - Mets 2, Rockies 1
Schaefer POTG 7/12/08 - Mets 3, Rockies sniffle
Schaefer POTG 7/13/08 - Mets 7, Rockies 0

And while I'm here, how about a special shout-out to metfairy, who's been quite reliably starting most of the voting threads shortly after the end of each game. I suspect she's started more threads than anyone this year. Thanks, Scarlett!

themetfairy
Jul 17 2008 08:19 AM

You're very welcome BG :)

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 21 2008 08:41 AM

Voting for Thursday night's win over the Reds in Cincinnati will close on Tuesday morning:

Schaefer POTG 7/17/08 - Mets 10, Reds 8

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 22 2008 07:53 AM

Voting for the remaining three games of this past weekend's series in Cincinnati will close on Wednesday morning:

Schaefer POTG 7/18/08 - Mets 2, Reds 5
Schaefer POTG 7/19/08 - Reds 7, Mets 2
Schaefer POTG 07/20/08 Mets 7, Cincinnati 5 (10 innings)

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 24 2008 09:48 AM

Voting for the Mets miserable loss to the Phillies on Tuesday will close on Friday morning:

Schaefer POTG 7/22/08 - Phillies 8, Mets 6

Seven voters so far:
themetfairy, Rockin' Doc, Benjamin Grimm, John Cougar Lunchbucket, Gwreck, soupcan and metirish.

soupcan
Jul 24 2008 10:48 AM

It took me a day and a win to be able to even look at that voting thread.

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 24 2008 12:39 PM

sharpie in the 7/24 Schaefer thread wrote:
That boxscore gave the Phillies 2 runs in the 9th. Boxscore guys are Phillies fans.

themetfairy
Jul 24 2008 01:01 PM

Benjamin Grimm wrote:
="sharpie in the 7/24 Schaefer thread"]That boxscore gave the Phillies 2 runs in the 9th. Boxscore guys are Phillies fans.


They finally fixed it.

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 25 2008 11:18 AM

Voting for the Wednesday night's win over the Phillies at Shea will close some time over the weekend.

Schaefer POTG 7/23/08 - Mets 6, Phillies 3

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 28 2008 07:39 AM

Voting for the Thursday afternoon's win over the Phillies at Shea will close on Tuesday morning.

Schaefer POTG 7/24/08 - Mets 3, Phillies 1

I'll post the official announcement tomorrow, but all three games against the Cardinals will close on Wednesday. Saturday's and Sunday's games, at the moment, are pretty light on votes.

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 29 2008 07:09 AM

Voting for all three games of this past weekend's series against the Cardinals will close on Wednesday morning:

Schaefer POTG 7/25/08 - Mets 7, Cardinals 2
Schaefer POTG 7/26/08 - Cardinals 10, Mets 8 (14 Innings)
Schaefer POTG 7/27/08 - Mets 9, Cardinals 1

Saturday night's game, the 14-inning loss, is still lightly voted. So far we've heard from themetfairy, Benjamin Grimm, soupcan, Frayed Knot, Gwreck, and The Hot Corner.

Fman99
Jul 29 2008 11:11 AM

Wow, you know a tough loss when it's 8:30 AM the next day and no one has set up the POTG voting for that game.

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 30 2008 11:50 AM

Voting for Monday night's nasty loss to the Marlins in Florida will close on Thursday.

Schaefer POTG 7/28/08 - Marlins 7, Mets 3

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 31 2008 11:22 AM

Voting for Oliver Perez' Tuesday night win over Florida will close on Friday.

Schaefer POTG 7/29/08 - Mets 4, Marlins 1

Only 8 voters so far: themetfairy, Benjamin Grimm, Frayed Knot, Fman99, soupcan, PiazzaFan411, John Cougar Lunchbucket, and Vic Sage.

If you're planning to vote and haven't done so yet, please try to do so today.

Benjamin Grimm
Aug 01 2008 11:30 AM

Only five people have voted for the Mets' Wednesday night loss in Florida. Nevertheless, voting will close some time over the weekend. (And there will be a Schaefer Player of the Month announcement for July.)

Voters so far for Wednesday's game are: themetfairy, Benjamin Grimm, Fman99, Frayed Knot, and soupcan.


Schaefer POTG 7/30/08 - Marlins 7, Mets 5

Benjamin Grimm
Aug 05 2008 07:37 AM

Time to start tallying the first games of August, the month that threatens to kill the Mets playoff hopes.

All three games from the demoralizing sweep in Houston this past weekend will close on Wednesday morning:

Schaefer POTG 8/1/08 - Astros 7, Mets 3
Schaefer POTG 8/2/08 - Astros 5, Mets 4 (10 Innings)
Schaefer POTG 08/03/08 Houston 4, Mets 0

Benjamin Grimm
Aug 07 2008 07:27 AM

Voting for Tuesday night's win over the Padres will close on Friday morning.

Schaefer POTG 08/05/08 Mets 6, Padres 5

This San Diego series will be the last to be tallied for a while. I'll be leaving for two weeks in Hawaii late in the day on Monday. I may pop in here from time to time to vote and maybe even comment, but no tallying will occur.

Please continue to initiate the threads and vote in them. (I haven't been doing a whole lot of initiating anyway.) I'll get all caught up after I return on August 26.

Benjamin Grimm
Aug 08 2008 09:51 AM

Voting for Wednesday night's loss to the Padres will close some time over the weekend:
Schaefer POTG 8/6/08 - Padres 4, Mets 2

And voting for yesterday afternoon's walk-off win will close on Monday afternoon. (That's just a little earlier than usual, but I want to get the series closed out before I go away.)
Schaefer POTG 8/7/08 - Mets 5, Padres 3

Elster88
Aug 09 2008 09:35 AM

Wright getting a lot more love than Delgado in the 8/8 game. Unless I missed some plays in the field, they did the exact same thing, except Wright's big swing happened with a runner on base.

themetfairy
Aug 09 2008 09:39 AM

Plus it was in the first inning, which gave the Mets an edge (sorry - I can't think of a better word) from the start.

Benjamin Grimm
Aug 11 2008 07:56 AM

Final reminder: Voting for Thursday's win over the Padres will close this afternoon. If you haven't voted yet, stop by during today's IGT.

Schaefer POTG 8/7/08 - Mets 5, Padres 3

Benjamin Grimm
Aug 11 2008 02:28 PM

Well, that's it.

No more tallying for another two weeks or so.

Keep voting, and I'll start getting caught up on August 27 or 28.

KC
Aug 11 2008 02:30 PM

Have a great vacation!

themetfairy
Aug 11 2008 09:01 PM

Have a fabulous time!

Frayed Knot
Aug 20 2008 06:52 AM

Just a reminder that we shouldn't fall too far behind in our Scheafer voting just because Grimm isn't here to keep on our butts about it and set deadlines. Voting has been pretty light on the games since last weekend so if you're a regular or even occasional participant don't let those games fade from your memory.

Rockin' Doc
Aug 20 2008 10:49 AM

I plan on playing catch up tonight. I generally vote based on boxscores, highlight clips, and IGTs since I seldom get to actually watch the Mets play.

Gwreck
Aug 20 2008 10:45 PM

I think Maine got too many points for his 5 innings on Monday. Shutout or not, I don't think only going 5 innings is worth much more than 2 points.

Also, Pelfrey got the perfect 6 on Wednesday not exclusively for his pitching. 1-3 with an RBI was worth about .5 to .75 to go with a ~5.25-5.5 pitching performance.

themetfairy
Aug 21 2008 06:11 AM

It's not as if anyone else did anything particularly beer-worthy in the Maine game.

Sometimes guys get screwed out of earned beer when the entire team performs well. Other days guys get a few extra sips when they're the only shining performance of the game. It's just the way things go under the constraints of the system.

Benjamin Grimm
Aug 27 2008 01:19 PM

Sorry to have flooded the forum with Schaefer, but I'm pretty much caught up now.

All four games from this past weekend's series with the Astros will close on Thursday afternoon.


Schaefer POTG 8/22/08 - Mets 3, Astros 0
Schaefer POTG 8/23/08 - Mets 3, Astros 8
Schaefer POTG 8/24/08 - Mets 4, Astros 6
Schaefer PotG: 8/25/08: Mets 9 - Astros 1

Voting is still a little light for the first three games of the series, especially the first one, which was a Mets win.


Voting for last night's loss in Philadelphia will close on Friday. It's too early to give notice, but I wanted to point it out so it wouldn't get lost or forgotten:

Schaefer POTG 08/26/08 Philadelphia 8, Mets 7, 13 innings

Only two voters so far: Me and Johnny Lunchbucket.

Centerfield
Aug 27 2008 09:04 PM

Tonight's game really should be worth 20 points.

Benjamin Grimm
Aug 28 2008 01:13 PM

We're now at eight voters for Tuesday's loss to the Phillies, which is a more reasonable number.

Voting will remain open for another 24 hours (give or take an hour or two) and will close on Friday afternoon.

Schaefer POTG 08/26/08 Philadelphia 8, Mets 7, 13 innings

Look for the Players of the Month announcement some time in the middle of next week.

Benjamin Grimm
Aug 29 2008 12:50 PM

Voting for Wednesday night's win in Philadelphia will close some time over the weekend:

Schaefer POTG 08/27/08 Mets 6, Philadelphia 3

AG/DC
Aug 30 2008 03:08 PM

In scoring last night's game, let's remember please remember to consider Dan Murphy's win preserving cutoff play in the ninth on Cantu's double.

http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?mid=200808293387957&c_id=fla

AG/DC
Aug 31 2008 03:16 PM

Evans is getting hosed so far.

Benjamin Grimm
Aug 31 2008 04:11 PM

Pedro too.

AG/DC
Aug 31 2008 04:41 PM

it was a team win, perhaps one of their teamiest, but Pedro is disproportinately kicking Evans butt.

I --- sainted I who have stood by Pedro lo these weeks --- scored it 2.32 for Evans to 1.25 to Martinez. The rest of the miserly voting public is averaging 2.625 for Pedro to 1.00 to his young leftfielder.

Hittin' game-tying homers ain't easy!

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 02 2008 08:18 PM

If Al Reyes should happen to get into the game and earn some Schaefer, please vote for him as AlReyes.

Thank you!

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 03 2008 09:41 AM

Voting for the entire series against the Marlins in Miami, plus the Labor Day game in Milwaukee, will close on Thursday morning.

The win over the Brewers looks like it's still lacking a few votes.

If you're planning to vote and haven't yet, please try to get your numbers in today.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 04 2008 10:23 AM

Voting for Tuesday night's 10-inning win in Milwaukee will close on Friday.

Schaefer POTG 9/2/08 - Mets 6, Brewers 5 (10 Innings)

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 05 2008 11:49 AM

Voting for Wednesday afternoon's comfortable win over the Brewers will close some time over the weekend.

Schaefer POTG 9/3/08 - Mets 9, Brewers 2

AG/DC
Sep 05 2008 11:55 AM

Look after Schneider! He looked after you!

Gwreck
Sep 05 2008 12:30 PM

AG/DC wrote:
Look after Schneider! He looked after you!


Interesting philosophical question. Do we adjust Schaefer for luck?

Church clearly was getting the love for the 'slam, but Schneider was 2-for-3 (with the same number of homers as Church) while Church was only 1-4.

AG/DC
Sep 05 2008 12:33 PM

Well, the extra Ribbies count at one level or another for Churchie, be they luck or pluck, but he also made four murderous outs to one for the Schneid.

themetfairy
Sep 05 2008 12:41 PM

It's a tough game to score. Not enough beer to go around.

AG/DC
Sep 05 2008 12:53 PM

Fractions baby. Infinitely divisible fractions.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 05 2008 01:08 PM

Well, fractions are infinitely divisible, but as a practical matter, anything beyond the second decimal point will end up getting ignored because of rounding. Schaefer is a two-decimal stat.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 05 2008 01:09 PM

Benjamin Grimm wrote:
Voting for Wednesday afternoon's comfortable win over the Brewers will close some time over the weekend.

Schaefer POTG 9/3/08 - Mets 9, Brewers 2


I just wanted to keep this on the current page.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 10 2008 09:17 AM

These games actually should have closed today, but I neglected (forgot) to post a reminder yesterday.

So one more day of voting remains for the past weekend's series against the Phillies at Shea. Voting will close on Thursday morning some time.

Sunday afternoon's loss looks like it could use another few votes.

Schaefer POTG 9/5/08 - Phillies 3, Mets 0
Schaefer POTG 09/07/08 Philadelphia 6, Mets 2
Schaefer POTG 09/07/08 Mets 6, Philadelphia 3

Rockin' Doc
Sep 10 2008 10:55 AM

I try to get to the voting booth this evening. I would hate to deprive a deserving soul of their hard earned beer.

soupcan
Sep 10 2008 11:08 AM

Ahem.

="Benjamin Grimm"]BOX SCORE

Delgado 5
Santana 5

Nuff said!


Sir,

We ask that you refrain from making 'comments' in the POTG threads.

Thank you.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 10 2008 11:14 AM

Actually, that's within the rules!

Check it: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6278

soupcan
Sep 10 2008 11:17 AM

My apologies, I stand corrected.

Rockin' Doc
Sep 10 2008 06:06 PM

Damn, I had thought that all comments and commentary were taboo.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 10 2008 07:02 PM

I just don't want conversation. The only posts should be the ones that contain votes. (At least, until after the game is tallied.)

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 11 2008 07:59 AM

Voting for the first of the two slugfests against the Nationals at Shea, Tuesday night's 10-8 win, will close on Friday morning.

Schaefer POTG 9/9/08 - Mets 10, Nationals 8

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 12 2008 08:10 AM

Voting for Wednesday night's win over Washington will close some time over the weekend.

Schaefer POTG 9/10/08 - Mets 13, Nationals 10

Rockin' Doc
Sep 14 2008 05:47 PM

I went ahead and voted for all the Braves games because I want to put them behind me and bury their memory as quickly as possible.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 16 2008 07:01 AM

Vote totals for the weekend's series against the Braves are understandably low. I can understand the waning enthusiasm for this stuff, but hopefully the Mets will revive over the next couple of weeks, and we'll also see a revival of Schaefer participation.

Anyway, the three games vs. Atlanta will all close on Wednesday. Vote, if you're so inclined:

Schaefer POTG 09/13/08 Game 1, Atlanta 3, Mets 2
Schaefer POTG 9/13/08, Game 2 - Mets 5, Braves 0
Schaefer POTG 09/14/08 Atlanta 7, Mets 4

cooby
Sep 16 2008 11:34 AM

If I were to vote, I'd give 'em all zeros.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 17 2008 08:59 AM

Voting for Monday night's loss to the Nationals will close on Thursday morning.

So far we've heard from themetfairy, Elster88, John Cougar Lunchbucket, Gwreck, Frayed Knot, Benjamin Grimm, and metirish. If you haven't voted and intend to, please do so today.

Schaefer POTG 9/15/08 - Nationals 7, Mets 2

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 18 2008 10:33 AM

Voting for Tuesday night's 1-0 loss in Washington will close on Friday afternoon.

Schaefer POTG 9/16/08 - Nationals 1, Mets 0

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 19 2008 06:25 AM

Voting for Wednesday night's tension-packed 9-7 win over the Nationals will close on some time over the weekend.

Please be sure to vote! Participation is beginning to lag a little bit, but with only a few more games to go let's all try to hang in there! There's a pretty tight race for Player of the Year honors, with four different players still in the running for the ultimate honor.

Schaefer POTG 9/17/08 - Mets 9, Nationals 7

themetfairy
Sep 20 2008 07:44 AM

Someone should have told me to change the link for last night's box score.

I thought I fixed it last night, but obviously I goofed. Sorry about that :(

Gwreck
Sep 21 2008 09:09 AM

4 points for Pedro for the 9/20 game? What am I missing?

Frayed Knot
Sep 21 2008 09:10 AM

That he knocked in all our runs.

Gwreck
Sep 21 2008 10:22 AM

Nobody gets 4 points for a 2-rbi double.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 21 2008 10:23 AM

He also pitched 6 innings. I always give points for a guy who goes 6.

His pitching was worth 2 and his hitting worth 2.

themetfairy
Sep 21 2008 11:15 AM

Gwreck wrote:
4 points for Pedro for the 9/20 game? What am I missing?


Like Grimm said, he pitched six innings and knocked in the Mets' only two RBIs. And it's not like anyone else did anything to earn much beer (it wasn't one of those nights when there wasn't enough beer to go around).

On a different topic, I'll be at a block party this afternoon. So anyone who wants to start a Schaefer thread after the game should feel free to do so (otherwise I'll start one early this evening).

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 22 2008 09:31 AM

Voting for Thursday night's win over the Nationals in the season series finale will close on Tuesday morning.

Schaefer POTG 9/18/08 - Mets 7, Nationals 2

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 23 2008 09:14 AM

Voting for all three games played in Atlanta this past weekend will close on Wednesday morning.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 24 2008 01:30 PM

Voting for Monday night's series-opening loss to the Cubs at Shea will close on Thursday afternoon.

Schaefer POTG 9/22/08 - Cubs 9, Mets 5

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 24 2008 02:03 PM

The Schaefer Mets Player of the Year competition, by the way, is rather fierce this year. With only a few days to go, there are four players who have a decent shot at taking the prize.

There's one player who's led all year, but his lead is not all that secure. (After the current tallying, he's only up by 3.40 points.)

1 Player A 110.65
2 Player B 107.25
3 Player C 105.41
4 Player D 100.31

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 25 2008 12:47 PM

Voting for Monday night's win over the Cubs at Shea will close on Friday afternoon.

Schaefer POTG 9/23/08 - Mets 6, Cubs 2

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 26 2008 11:32 AM

Voting for Wednesday night's "cockpunch" loss to the Cubs at Shea will close over the weekend.

Schafer POTG 9/24/08 - Cubs 9, Mets 6

Only five voters so far: metfairy, Frayed Knot, AG/DC, Ben Grimm, and Rockin' Doc.

If you haven't voted yet and intend to, please try to do so today.

KC
Sep 27 2008 07:01 PM

I'd like to vote in the remaining unclosed games. I like to vote in clusters
and sometimes the games close too early for when I can give my attention
to them and then I think I'll get back to remaining ones and then they're
gone.

Can we keep soon to be closed games at least open until Tues?

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 27 2008 07:03 PM

All of the games vs. the Marlins will be open until Wednesday.

Thursday night's game will close on Tuesday.

Gwreck
Sep 27 2008 07:32 PM

I second KC's thoughts. I need more time to take care of voting. It's not that I don't want to; it's that I don't want to do so carelessly. I would've voted on Tuesday's game -- it just closed too early.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 27 2008 08:11 PM

Every game has two full "business days" elapse before it closes.

A game played on Monday will close on Thursday. A Thursday game will close the following Tuesday, Wednesday if Monday is a holiday.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 29 2008 09:15 AM

Only five voters so far for Thursday night's nice win over the Cubs. (themetfairy, AG/DC, Benjamin Grimm, Elster88, Rockin' Doc)

Nevertheless, voting will close on Tuesday afternoon.

Those who want to vote for this game but haven't yet, please do so soon.

Schaefer POTG 9/25/08 - Mets 7, Cubs 6

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 30 2008 01:22 PM

Voting for the final three games of the season, all from this past weekend against the Marlins at William A. Shea Municipal Stadium, will close on Wednesday.



I have no idea what "Gabba Gabba" means, by the way. I don't suppose it matters.

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 01 2008 09:40 AM

LAST CALL FOR SCHAEFER VOTING FOR 2008!

All remaining games will be closed this afternoon.