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IGT 4/12/08 Santana vs Sheets!
| Nymr83 Apr 12 2008 11:04 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 12 2008 11:08 AM |
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Come on guys, nobody posted this yet?
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| Valadius Apr 12 2008 11:06 AM |
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I was waiting on Edgy. He's been on a roll.
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| Valadius Apr 12 2008 11:10 AM |
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Edit: Nymr posted the lineup on edit.
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| Valadius Apr 12 2008 11:19 AM |
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Why the hell can't I get the Met game on wfan.com?
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| Valadius Apr 12 2008 11:19 AM |
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Come on Johan, double play ball right here!
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| Nymr83 Apr 12 2008 11:22 AM |
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Santana K's Braun and gets a weak grounder from Hall to get out of the jam!
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 12 2008 11:22 AM |
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That was pretty sexy. He destroyed Braun.
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| Valadius Apr 12 2008 11:25 AM |
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Angel is on a roll. Meanwhile, Castillo... not so much.
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| Nymr83 Apr 12 2008 11:27 AM |
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Castillo hits it to the wrong side of the field with a man on 2nd and nobody out but gets Pagan over anyway.
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| Nymr83 Apr 12 2008 11:30 AM |
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Pagan scores on a sac fly in foul territory by Wright.
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| Valadius Apr 12 2008 11:30 AM |
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David brings Angel home with a sac fly. Mets lead 1-0.
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| Nymr83 Apr 12 2008 11:31 AM |
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Delgado hits one off the wall!! its 2-0 Mets!
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| Valadius Apr 12 2008 11:31 AM |
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Beltran singles. Delgado up.
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| Nymr83 Apr 12 2008 11:31 AM |
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val, how are you so far behind?
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| Valadius Apr 12 2008 11:33 AM |
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I hate being out of market. I have no radio and no TV for this game. I'm relying on the internet.
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| Valadius Apr 12 2008 11:34 AM |
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We scored the first earned runs off Sheets this season!
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| themetfairy Apr 12 2008 11:34 AM |
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Vamos Carloses!
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| TransMonk Apr 12 2008 11:35 AM |
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Schneider's goalie mask is awful. It kinda ruins the pinstripes for me.
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| Valadius Apr 12 2008 11:39 AM |
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Remember that Gold Glove at home, David! Do you want another one?
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| Nymr83 Apr 12 2008 11:42 AM |
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$14.95 for the season you get every radio broadcast in the league from mlb.com, its a good deal imo and a necesity when out of market.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 12 2008 11:42 AM |
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Great lineup strategy Ned. This is just the man you want batting with 2 on and none out.
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| Nymr83 Apr 12 2008 11:44 AM |
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Sheets gets Hart home on the bunt, I don't like that nobody covered 3rd and that let hart walk home, put the wheel on!
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| Valadius Apr 12 2008 11:45 AM |
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What's with the wild pitches, Johan?
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| Grote15 Apr 12 2008 11:50 AM |
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Just how did David Wright win that gold glove?
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| Valadius Apr 12 2008 11:51 AM |
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He'll probably be out for two games.
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| Valadius Apr 12 2008 11:54 AM |
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Hall equals Wright with an error of his own. Schneider singles, and now it's 1st and 2nd with no outs.
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| Nymr83 Apr 12 2008 11:55 AM |
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he has range, makes spectacular plays, and plays the bunt well. the occassional throwing error is easy to remember, the ball that a guy doesnt get to because he isn't quick enough isn't.
its minor. you have extreme negativity issues.
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| Grote15 Apr 12 2008 11:56 AM |
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Damien Easley I know you're pushing 40 but pleez hold up for 300-400 AB's..we may really, really, need pal!
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| Valadius Apr 12 2008 11:57 AM |
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Oh no, Mr. Party Hard is up.
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| Grote15 Apr 12 2008 11:59 AM |
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Just not a big Reyes fan after last september and the first three years of Reyes hell..as for Wright..I love him but he is not a gold glove thirdbaseman. Christ the guy has a double hitch in his throw..cmon!
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| Valadius Apr 12 2008 12:00 PM |
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Dammit David, we needed a freaking hit there!
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| TransMonk Apr 12 2008 12:01 PM |
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Anytime David wants to start driving in RISP w/ 2 out is fine by me.
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| Valadius Apr 12 2008 12:08 PM |
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That was a quick inning by Santana.
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| TransMonk Apr 12 2008 12:14 PM |
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Hall ties it up with a long ball.
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| TransMonk Apr 12 2008 12:32 PM |
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Or two. 3-2 Milwaukee after a Weeks bomb. Let's go offense.
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| Nymr83 Apr 12 2008 12:44 PM |
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Wright lets a doubleplay ball get through his legs...thats not like him, and the met D has been a slopfest today behind Santana.
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| Valadius Apr 12 2008 12:45 PM |
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DAVID!!!
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| TheOldMole Apr 12 2008 12:45 PM |
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I don't care what Schneider hits.
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| Nymr83 Apr 12 2008 12:48 PM |
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A great throw by Schneider, I'll keep ripping on his weak stick but he does more than get the job done on defense.
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| Valadius Apr 12 2008 12:51 PM |
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Schneider's hitting .300 so far though.
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| Nymr83 Apr 12 2008 12:53 PM |
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And Jason Kendall is hitting .452 while Prince Fielder is homerless...
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| Valadius Apr 12 2008 01:02 PM |
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Oh Jesus Christ...
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| Nymr83 Apr 12 2008 01:02 PM |
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Gabe Kapler whacks Santana's 113th pitch out of the ballpark. fuck. its 5-2 brewers
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| TransMonk Apr 12 2008 01:14 PM |
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Sheets mowing down the Mets...15 straight or something.
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| Valadius Apr 12 2008 01:16 PM |
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Muniz relieves Schoeneweis.
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| Valadius Apr 12 2008 01:23 PM |
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Muniz gets a good 1-2-3 inning.
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| Valadius Apr 12 2008 01:26 PM |
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Fucking Castillo.
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| Valadius Apr 12 2008 01:27 PM |
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| Valadius Apr 12 2008 01:29 PM |
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Come on Delgado! We need a homer here!
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| TransMonk Apr 12 2008 01:29 PM |
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Wright gets the big hit with no one on. Carlos walks and that's it for Ben.
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| AG/DC Apr 12 2008 01:39 PM |
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Chance gone.
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| Valadius Apr 12 2008 01:40 PM |
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Who the hell is Iribarren?
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| Nymr83 Apr 12 2008 01:41 PM |
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nice pickoff, nice catch, inning over
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| AG/DC Apr 12 2008 01:42 PM |
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Who is wearing Jason Kendall's uniform?
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| Valadius Apr 12 2008 01:43 PM |
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Let's beat the cheat!
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| Frayed Knot Apr 12 2008 01:43 PM |
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Well, Gagne has given up runs in two of his three outings so far this year.
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| TransMonk Apr 12 2008 01:48 PM |
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Ugh.
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| Valadius Apr 12 2008 01:49 PM |
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Fuckshit.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 12 2008 02:01 PM |
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Look I'm not pointing any fingers here but to make a big deal of your Game Thread Mojo then fail to answer the bell while giving golf updates isn't a good sign.
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| Gwreck Apr 12 2008 03:44 PM |
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Pretty much. The guys behind us basically spent the entire game talking about how we've got 3 and 7/8 more years of his crap. I guess I can accept getting beat by another team's ace...Sheets was pretty good. The sloppy defense by Wright though was pretty bad. Not mentioned in this thread: Santana and Easley messing up Sheets' bunt which allowed the Brewers first run to score. Santana fielded it down the third base line, at which time Corey Hart (coming towards home from third) couldn't have been more than 20 feet away from him. Santana should've tagged Hart, or run him back to third and thrown to Easley (who was not covering third).
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| AG/DC Apr 12 2008 03:59 PM |
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I was out. I should have launched last night. But I wasn't giving golf updates.
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| Frayed Knot Apr 12 2008 04:05 PM |
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Easley's probably covering 2nd during that bunt (Willie almost never "wheels" it).
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| Valadius Apr 12 2008 04:42 PM |
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I would love to find out if Castillo is still going to lots of clubs late at night, because that would explain a lot.
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| Fman99 Apr 12 2008 05:26 PM |
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I'd find him more agreeable hitting 7th or 8th and not 2nd. That should be Pagan's spot, once Reyes is back in the lineup.
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 12 2008 09:15 PM |
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Yeah, but Willie Randolph's managing this team. And every Met fan should know by now that the role of the #2 hitter in a Willie Randolph created lineup is to make an out. This is Willie's way; how Willie likes to do it and that's that. What - You're gonna talk Willie out of a harebrained scheme? And so what Willie usually does to increase the odds that the #2 hitter will make outs at an even greater rate than just about anybody else is to stick just about the crappiest starter that's only slightly less crappier than the #8 hitter and stick that almost the crappiest guy in the starting lineup into the #2 slot. Then when Willie really wants to show off just how much in charge he is of everything, he has the #2 guy sac bunt to practically guarantee the out. Get it? He just about demands that the #2 guy make an out. You know why? Because he can, that's why. Because he's blessed with one of the best middle of the orders in all of baseball and so he can spare outs like he was Bill Gates burning million dollar bills. Why should Wright or Beltran ever get the chance to come up in the first inning with two men on base? They can homer just the same with one guy on base, or even with the bases empty. Why once, Willie even had the #2 guy sac bunting with a runner on second and two outs. It worked too. Willie said it wasn't a problem because when the Mets would come to bat in the next inning, they'd start off with a man on third and nobody out. Castillo? Pagan? That's a no-brainer. Just be thankful that second base doesn't consist of the splendid Matsui-Cairo platoon from Willie's rookie manager year. (And isn't Willie a rookie manager every year?). Those guys made more outs than even Ordonez.
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| AG/DC Apr 12 2008 10:50 PM |
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Come on. I defended Pagan when he was considered the hair-brained scheme, a few mere weeks ago. When he batted before Church on opening day, that was mocked. Castillo has a lifetime of experience buiding up high OBPs. Let's not let on like Castillo's failures and Pagan's successes are self-evidently the only rational expectation going forward.
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 12 2008 11:29 PM |
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You're right. And more to your point, I won't blame Willie for being stuck with two crappy second baseman for that entire season. But Matsui and Cairo should never have been batting second. Every single game. And that's on Willie. If you remember, the Mets were in contention for most of that season. It also didn't help that Reyes batted leadoff all season even though he was just about the worst everyday player in all of baseball that season (and the writer who gave Reyes a 2005 MVP vote should forfeit his priveleges but that's for another post) or that Wright was buried in the #7 slot for half the season even though it was apparent that he was already the Mets best or second best player. That's all on Willie, too. P.S. If the first paragraph of your post was addressed to me, I'm not sure that I understand it. I was only commenting on the #2 hole.
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 13 2008 12:07 AM |
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Actually, I'm gonna somewhat change my mind on this. I'll presume that it was Willie who campaigned the Mets to acquire Cairo, probably based on Cairo's surprisingly average 2004 season with the Yankees. I'll bet that Randolph really really really liked Cairo what with Cairo being both a Yankee and a second baseman. So now Cairo's on Willie as well.
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| Triple Dee Apr 13 2008 04:39 AM |
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Does it make a difference whether Cairo was acquired for Willie's benefit (which I doubt anyway)? When you start looking at back-up infielders to find excuses, then you reallly are clutching at straws.
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| Frayed Knot Apr 13 2008 06:27 AM |
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As horrible as Castillo's been so far this season let's not go overboard on account of the current small sample (what is it, 6 games?) and start killing Willie as if he's been purposely steering some proven low-OBA guy to the 2-hole.
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 13 2008 06:40 AM |
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I agree. No. But the point I really wanted to make is that Cairo and Matsui should never have been batting second. And if Castillo's gonna suck like Matsui/Cairo, then the same goes for Castillo. Seriously, the jury's out on Castillo and nobody knows for sure how his 2008 season's gonna go. (Of course, you can say that about anyone) But it looks a little bit like he's not the player he was two years ago. He seems to be breaking down physically and at the point where his performance curve is at the downward slope part. If Willie goes with Castillo as the #2 guy, so be it, but I have little confidence in Willie getting Castillo the hell out of there in timely fashion should it become obvious that Castillo is in career decline mode. We shall see. Still, the jury's out. Perhaps this all got lost in the whimsy, but here are my points: 1. Don't put crappy guys in the #2 hole. 2. Can Willie ever resist his temptation to sac bunt the #2 guy? If the #2 guy's not that good of a hitter, then he shouldn't be batting second in the first place, the hell with "bat control". This isn't 1908 anymore. 3. The #2 slot isn't some repository for the leftover guy who's just a tad better than the #8 hitter. The slot gets more plate appearances over the season than every other slot but leadoff. 4. Ordonez still sucks.
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| Triple Dee Apr 13 2008 07:28 AM |
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BML -- relax, take it easy
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 13 2008 07:31 AM |
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Hey: Nice avatar. Whered'ja get it?
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 13 2008 07:36 AM |
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I notice that I 'm assigned a new Met every 10th post (Like everybody else, I suppose). So now I'm Steve Bieser. Ten minutes ago I was Mike Pelfrey. This doesn't look like no upgrade. Bieser's still not pictured on the UMDB, and he was a Met even before they went to ugly black.
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| Frayed Knot Apr 13 2008 08:11 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 13 2008 08:23 AM |
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For an explanation (or at least a partial one) go to the 'Rankings Forum' and read the opening post in the 'Rankings for Dummies' thread.
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 13 2008 08:22 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 13 2008 08:26 AM |
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Aha. So in a few posts, I won't be Mike Pelfrey anymore. But then Pelfrey might have a decent year or stick around with the Mets for awhile. Or both. And move up in the rankings. Maybe even pass ol' not pictured Steve Bieser. And then I might get to be Mike Pelfrey all over again. That's what Yogi once said: "It's Mike Pelfrey all over again."
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| Frayed Knot Apr 13 2008 08:25 AM |
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Yup!
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| *62 Apr 13 2008 08:37 AM |
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I wanna be Jerry Koosman.
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| Rockin' Doc Apr 13 2008 11:28 AM |
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*62 - "I wanna be Jerry Koosman.
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