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Castillo Blues (split from OoTS)

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 07 2008 11:27 AM

I'm not all encouraged by what I've seen so far. I know it's early but Castillo just sucks.

metirish Apr 07 2008 11:30 AM

And he's here through 2015....WTF was Minaya thinking?

AG/DC Apr 07 2008 11:34 AM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I'm not all encouraged by what I've seen so far. I know it's early but Castillo just sucks. He might be hitting eighth by may.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 07 2008 11:36 AM

For Mexico City

TransMonk Apr 07 2008 11:38 AM

AG/DC wrote: He might be hitting eighth by may. I would advocate for that.

soupcan Apr 07 2008 11:41 AM

Was Castillo the reason they lost 2 games to the Braves? Nope.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 07 2008 11:45 AM

4 for 21 (with two walks) is a slow start, but it's too early to condemn his entire season. I really doubt that his four-year contract is going to turn out to have been a good decision, but there's also no reason to think he's going to hit .190 the rest of the way. It's only been five games so far.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 07 2008 11:49 AM

I'm not nearly as granualar as batting average or "who's fault it is" in my assessment. It's more basic: He cannot be counted on to get the ball out of the infield.

Frayed Knot Apr 07 2008 11:51 AM

I'd take what he gave us for the half-season last year - but I'm not all that confident we'll get that often enough for long enough to justify the contract.

AG/DC Apr 07 2008 11:57 AM

Nobody's condemning his season. As for "was he the reason?" I think it's fair to say he was the Most Counterprocutive Batsman for the team in the series, going 0-9 with no walks, and stranding six runners. He did plate a runner with an out and start a double play. Honors for Most Counterproductive Pitcher go to Sosa.

m.e.t.b.o.t. Apr 07 2008 12:44 PM

m.e.t.b.o.t. considers matt wise to be the most counterproductive pitcher to date. m.e.t.b.o.t. does concur that luis castillo is the most counterproductive hitter.

soupcan Apr 07 2008 01:08 PM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I'm not nearly as granualar as batting average or "who's fault it is" in my assessment. It's more basic: He cannot be counted on to get the ball out of the infield. My point was more - if the Mets had a good weekend in Atlanta, Castillo's slow start would not be as pronounced. ="AG/DC"]Nobody's condemning his season. As for "was he the reason?" I think it's fair to say he was the Most Counterprocutive Batsman for the team in the series, going 0-9 with no walks, and stranding six runners. He did plate a runner with an out and start a double play. I wouldn't anoint him MCB so quickly. His 1 RBI was one more than Wright had that series. Castillo and Wright also had the same number of hits (0) and strikeouts (2). Wright also stranded at least 5 runners in scoring position (couldn't find a stat for total LOB in that series, just RISP with 2 out in, so it could've been more).

AG/DC Apr 07 2008 01:16 PM

I wasn't quick but quite deliberate and analytical. m.e.t.b.o.t. came to the same conclusion. I was quick about pitchers. I just assumed, really.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 07 2008 01:32 PM

Wright can get the ball out of the infield. Whether he did or not in 2 games this weekend is not the point. And I don't care how evident the results of any few games make it: It's plain to see.

m.e.t.b.o.t. Apr 07 2008 02:43 PM

m.e.t.b.o.t. has calculated that jorge sosa is the 8th most productive met, and the 5th most productive met pitcher, per win percentage added data. m.e.t.b.o.t. calculates the current ten most productive mets to be as follows: johan santana - 0.423 oliver perez - 0.185 carlos beltran - 0.167 aaron heilman - 0.159 brian schneider - 0.119 ryan church - 0.106 joe smith - 0.081 jorge sosa - 0.067 angel pagan - 0.055 brady clark - 0.024 m.e.t.b.o.t. acknowledges that this ranking is based on an extremely small sample size of only 5 games, and is subject to significant changes. m.e.t.b.o.t. cannot predict the magnitude of these changes and cannot offer any opinion as to the likelihood of brady clark remaining among the ten most productive mets at the end of the season.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 07 2008 02:46 PM

I would have thought that that two-run homer Heilman gave up yesterday would have knocked him off the list.

AG/DC Apr 07 2008 02:50 PM

m.e.t.b.o.t. wrote: m.e.t.b.o.t. has calculated that jorge sosa is the 8th most productive met, and the 5th most productive met pitcher, per win percentage added data. m.e.t.b.o.t. calculates the current ten most productive mets to be as follows: johan santana - 0.423 oliver perez - 0.185 carlos beltran - 0.167 aaron heilman - 0.159 brian schneider - 0.119 ryan church - 0.106 joe smith - 0.081 jorge sosa - 0.067 angel pagan - 0.055 brady clark - 0.024 m.e.t.b.o.t. acknowledges that this ranking is based on an extremely small sample size of only 5 games, and is subject to significant changes. m.e.t.b.o.t. cannot predict the magnitude of these changes and cannot offer any opinion as to the likelihood of brady clark remaining among the ten most productive mets at the end of the season. m.e.t.b.o.t., I was referring to only the Braves series.

m.e.t.b.o.t. Apr 07 2008 03:12 PM

m.e.t.b.o.t. requires improved reading comprehension programming. m.e.t.b.o.t. has retabulated the leading candidates for least- and most- productive hitters and pitchers for this series. john maine has been the least productive pitcher with -0.249 WPA jorge sosa has been the least productive reliever with -0.106 WPA luis castillo has been the least productive hitter with -0.267 WPA, ahead of david wright at -0.223 wpa only johan santana 0.279, joe smith 0.031, endy chavez 0.093, and brady clark 0.024 have had net positive contributions in this series.

Nymr83 Apr 07 2008 04:28 PM

his inability to hit the ball very far is clearly a concern, and the major reason i would never have resigned him long-term (because he looks like exactly the kind of guy who will turn useless when his ability to frequently get infield hits diminishes.) But in the here an now, with him already on the team, it makes no difference to me how far his hits go as long as he gets them (or just sees plenty of ball fours.) The observations on his hitting ability (or weight gain, or losing his speed, etc) are all very relevant when deciding whether or not to sign him, but it shouldn't be the measure of his performance, if his obp/slg are where they have historically been i'm happy.

Frayed Knot Apr 07 2008 08:24 PM

The problem with Castillo is that he's standing on a very narrow ledge since, more than virtually any other player, his entire worth as a player rests on one statistic: OBA With a decent one he's useful, but if/when it falls he becomes an anchor in the lineup and no amount of defense at 2B will be enough to save him. And betting that he'll keep that one skill through the next 648 games is a risky proposition.

AG/DC Apr 07 2008 08:57 PM

Worth adding is that his current physical condition make that even more risky.

Triple Dee Apr 07 2008 08:58 PM

The best hope for Castillo is he maintains a respectable OBP for the next two years; then somebody steps up within the organization to be the everyday 2nd baseman, thus relegating Castillo to back-up role for the remaining two years, albeit a very expensive one. Otherwise, it's going the worst place the organization has parked $6M/year since The Shortstop We Don't Speak Of™ .

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 07 2008 08:59 PM

I want to pinch hit for him when we need a sac fly. I mean, I know he can ground to second with the best of 'em. But my goodness.

Fman99 Apr 08 2008 05:26 AM

It the mentality of getting "proven" (read: old) guys like Castillo at the expense of younger guys with upside, from within the system, and giving them a chance to play. Not 1-2 times per week, the Willie way, but a full-time slot. It just kills me to see Jeff Keppinger raking in Cincy at 1/10th the cost of Castillo. It's typical. There must be 10-12 teams enjoying the fruits of the Mets farm system while we trot out the Schoewenweisses of the world. But hey, they're Proven! Urgh. (Don't mind me, I've been up since 3:30 AM).

AG/DC Apr 08 2008 06:23 AM

To be fair, Keppinger was flipped for a guy a year and a half younger, and was long gone when Castillo got here.

Grote15 Apr 08 2008 07:01 PM

Luis Castillo..we hardly knew ya...good riddance..

metsmarathon Apr 09 2008 07:22 AM

huh...?

Benjamin Grimm Apr 09 2008 07:31 AM

metsmarathon wrote: huh...? I "huh" as well. He's day to day. He hasn't been released. We still have as many as 642 games with Castillo at second base.

AG/DC Apr 09 2008 07:37 AM

That was a terrible Steve Bieser Post.