Apr 10 2008 09:46 AM
And then, of course, you get lucky sometimes with your baseball card photos:
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None More Black (split from IGT Game Seven)
| batmagadanleadoff Apr 10 2008 07:18 AM Rant! |
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Rant!
If the Mets are planning a uniform change for next season, we will soon find out. I think that teams have until sometime next month to notify the league if they intend to change their uniforms for next season. While I would certainly welcome a change, (and I've been hoping for one ever since I first saw the new black unis before the '98 season started) especially one that eliminates the color black from every single element of the Mets uniform, I'm not so confident that the Mets will do the right thing, the tasteful thing. I think that the Mets have no boundaries here and are capable of doing just about anything to their uniforms. Maybe they'll bring back the tail from 1993-94 and make their front uniform number the color red. Maybe Wilpon will petition the league to have the word "Dodgers' on the front. The New York Dodgers. Or the word Dodgers after the word Mets. The New York Mets hyphen Dodgers. Hey - is Tom Seaver getting a statute in front of Citi Field? Or is it not enough to be the greatest player ever in the history of the franchise and the best pitcher of your generation?
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| metsmarathon Apr 10 2008 07:34 AM |
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i need to start my own exclusive club just for people who actually don't hate the black...
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| Benjamin Grimm Apr 10 2008 07:34 AM Re: Rant! |
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I fear that the new uniform will be brick red and teal. (Or whatever the currently hip colors may be.)
The statue won't be of Seaver, but of Johnny Podres.
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| metirish Apr 10 2008 07:36 AM |
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I'm in , I have various black Mets hats and jerseys.
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| metsmarathon Apr 10 2008 07:37 AM |
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maybe to increase our team's popularity with girls, we'll go with pink alternate jerseys.
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| Triple Dee Apr 10 2008 07:42 AM Re: Rant! |
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Isn't the black jersey the second-best selling after the Pinstripes? If so, no chance they'll be ditched. I could never understand why people are so repulsed by the black uniforms (and I'm fairly certain they don't understand themselves). Black is a neutral color, and looks for more respectable on a baseball jersey, than say, the solid blue effort of the early 80s. Maybe the Mets should introduce a powder blue jersey (like many teams are this year) to pay homage to the powder blue jersey they never had.
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| Valadius Apr 10 2008 07:45 AM |
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We could use a split.
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| Triple Dee Apr 10 2008 07:47 AM |
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On the subject of uniforms, does anybody know whether the Mets will make their "Negro League" jersey available for sale to fans.
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| AG/DC Apr 10 2008 07:52 AM Re: Rant! |
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The Yankees have proven that you don't need to don apparel to sell apparel.
Because it wa cheap pander as part of an ugly trend from the nineties. The Mets find greatness is in leading, not following.
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| Triple Dee Apr 10 2008 07:58 AM Re: Rant! |
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You know, I'm sure many ex-Dodger and Giant fans were repulsed at the idea of the Mets wearing pinstripes in 1962.
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| AG/DC Apr 10 2008 08:03 AM |
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Picking up a traditon from lost teams that acknowledge a tragic severing of a relationship and playing "Sweet Caroline" because it works in Boston and we can't think of our own act are two different things.
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| seawolf17 Apr 10 2008 08:10 AM |
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Splitted.
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 10 2008 08:11 AM Re: Rant! |
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What do you mean by "pinstripes"? Mets pinstripes? Yankees pinstripes? Something else?
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| Triple Dee Apr 10 2008 08:14 AM Re: Rant! |
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We are talking about Mets jerseys, yeah?
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 10 2008 08:29 AM Re: Rant! |
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Just making sure. And when you say black jerseys, are you talking about the Mets roads, Mets homes or all blacks combined? The Mets black may be the 2nd best selling Mets jersey but don't forget that the Mets also have two styles of the black jersey - a home and a road version that in combination, allows the Mets to wear black shirts on any given day. - and that the Mets have by far, worn their black shirts more often than any other shirt since 1998. This is also free publicity, free advertising. And then there's the domino effect. Every time the Mets appear in black just increases the number of publicity shots, internet photos, baseball cards you name it that will eventually appear depicting a Met in black. Given all of this, one could argue that sales of black jerseys are disappointing, maybe not in the raw # of sales, but when looking at the relation between sales figures and the # of times the black jersey was worn. It says more that the pinstripes remain the best seller even though that shirt is by far the least worn Mets shirt since the black unis were introduced. Unfortunately, pinstriped Mets are a rare sighting these days.
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| soupcan Apr 10 2008 08:31 AM |
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Mark me down as a hater.
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 10 2008 08:35 AM Re: Rant! |
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Maybe the Mets could have a Lindsey Nelson day and wear psychedelic plaids.
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| Benjamin Grimm Apr 10 2008 08:38 AM |
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I have a black and blue cap (as well as an all-blue one) and I like it well enough. I hate the all-black caps, though, and the black jerseys.
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 10 2008 08:51 AM |
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Good point. I agree with you there. Dark, or even alternate home jerseys are sacrilegious to me. Unfortunately, dark home jerseys isn't just a Met thing.
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| Triple Dee Apr 10 2008 09:41 AM Re: Rant! |
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I believe it is the black home jersey that is the second best selling. I was told the black road is the worst selling Mets jersey, but that may be because it's $35 more expensive than all the others because it's the only Mets jersey that uses Coolmax. The manufacturers wanted to issue a road grey jersey in Coolmax too, but apparently the Mets refused because it was two shades lighter than the grey road trousers, and presumably made them look like dorks playing in two-tone grey.
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| Triple Dee Apr 10 2008 09:43 AM |
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A hater and an evildoer.
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| seawolf17 Apr 10 2008 09:46 AM |
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And then, of course, you get lucky sometimes with your baseball card photos:
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 10 2008 09:48 AM Re: Rant! |
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Here's something else to consider: Do black Mets jerseys sell well because the particular style is popular? Or do successful sales figure merely reflect the fact that fans will buy whatever jersey the team happens to wear, in part because the Mets have one of the larger fan bases and because the team is located in New York City? And if it's more of the latter, wouldn't fans then purchase in large numbers whatever new Mets jersey ultimately and hopefully replaces the blacks? Doesn't Met merchandise generally sell more than that of most other MLB teams? Is it the black or is it the Mets?
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| seawolf17 Apr 10 2008 09:50 AM |
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I think black has (had?) the "cool" factor for a while, which is why so many teams went that way, as opposed to going back to baby blues, for example. If flannel uniforms had a cool factor that would sell, they'd wear 'em. Teams have tried stupid things before (camouflage, the Mercury Mets), and sometimes they catch on, sometimes they don't. Black worked, so they stuck with it.
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| Benjamin Grimm Apr 10 2008 09:50 AM |
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Coolmax?
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 10 2008 09:51 AM Re: Rant! |
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Yeah. As opposed to the Mets looking like dorks in black tops and white pants. Hey! - I'm not calling for black tops and black pants.
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| metsmarathon Apr 10 2008 09:55 AM |
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only one of the greatest inventions ever. tis fabric that doesn't get wet. it wicks moisture away from the body, maintaining cool, comfy skin temperatures in toasty weather. it also works well in cold weather to take away the chilling cold sweat from the toasty body, helping again to maintain temperature. i haven't worn cotton t-shirts to run in in about ten years. http://coolmax.invista.com/
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| Triple Dee Apr 10 2008 09:57 AM |
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Yes, except they can't make trousers out of it because it rips like tissue paper.
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| Triple Dee Apr 10 2008 10:07 AM |
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I would be all for the Mets adopting a baby blue jersey, provided they have the matching pants, too. And I'm dead serious.
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| Triple Dee Apr 10 2008 10:23 AM |
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Nothing looks cooler than pinstripes. One of my favorite movies quotes is from Catch Me if You Can about the MFY wearing pinstripes;
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| soupcan Apr 10 2008 10:29 AM |
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Whatever works.
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 10 2008 10:34 AM Re: Rant! |
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Didn't the Mets wear Coolmax road grays in their season opener against the Marlins? I'm pretty sure I saw pictures of Johan Santana in a coolmax circulating on the web.
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| Frayed Knot Apr 10 2008 11:15 AM |
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I've heard a number of fans say they bought the black because ... it was the only one available. IOW, it's as much a case of push-marketing as consumer choice. I tend to not get as worked up over this issue compared to many fans who'll go ballistic merely at the mention of the words; 'Orange Dot' But if the black disappeared tomorrow I wouldn't miss it. At worst I'd like to see it cut down to a once in a while option and a road-only thing.
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| Benjamin Grimm Apr 10 2008 11:20 AM |
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That's pretty much where I'm at as well.
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| Valadius Apr 10 2008 02:08 PM |
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I have a black hat. I like it well enough. I'd like a blue hat though.
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| Rockin' Doc Apr 11 2008 06:00 PM |
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I have an all black hat. I would prefer the blue, but I just can't seem to get past that orange button on the top.
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| AG/DC Apr 11 2008 08:26 PM |
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No offense, but that's nose-to-spite-your-face terriitory there.
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| Triple Dee Apr 11 2008 09:50 PM Re: Rant! |
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The way to tell whether the jersey uses "Coolbase" (not "Coolmax" my mistake, I know, same difference, anyway), is to look for the vented armpit sections; 
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| metsmarathon Apr 11 2008 10:07 PM |
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i'd like to get in on that action, too. the, uh, owners of black hats action receiving free orange-buttonless blue hats, that is, not the buying a blue hat for a guy who owns a black hat action
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| AG/DC Apr 11 2008 10:44 PM |
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Sorry, it was a one man offer.
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| G-Fafif Apr 11 2008 10:44 PM |
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In the black home uniform...
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| AG/DC Apr 11 2008 10:47 PM |
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I've got no praise for the piping either.
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 11 2008 10:59 PM Re: Rant! Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 11 2008 11:37 PM |
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Here's a shot of Santana on opening day against the Marlins. His road gray jersey does have vents, but I'm not sure if these are Coolbase vents. I could've sworn that Paul Lukas' Uni Watch blog reported that the Mets were wearing Coolbase road grays but now I can't find the quote. Also my image doesn't show up when I preview this post like the way your image does. So this post is a mess. But I'll send it along, just the same. Is that a Coolbase? You tell me.
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 11 2008 11:12 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 11 2008 11:38 PM |
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Edit: I took out that URL that used to be here so that the page of this thread wouldn't extend all the way like to the Atlantic Ocean or something.
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 11 2008 11:12 PM |
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Still no image. Whatever.
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| AG/DC Apr 11 2008 11:20 PM |
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You have the URL of the page there, but not the photo.
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 11 2008 11:30 PM |
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This is an interesting quote because there is a powerful association between all of those pleasant Met memories you retain as a fan of the team and the referable uniform. On the other hand, those events would have occured even if the Mets wore their Mercury uniforms every single day for the last 11 years. Let a team wear a uniform long enough, any uniform, and memorable things are -inevitably- bound to happen. I suppose that ultimately, it's a matter of choice, a balancing act between many factors, most of which are personal and unique to each individual fan. Me, I can't wait for those black uniforms to disappear, just like I couldn't wait for the Mets to get somebody else, anybody else to take Ordonez's 550 plate appearances a year away from him. That took a few years longer than I would have liked, but at least it happened.
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| batmagadanleadoff Apr 11 2008 11:33 PM |
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Yeah! I know. What am I doing wrong and also, is that a Coolbase? I'm not claiming that it is a Coolbase, BTW. Or that it isn't. I don't know. And you know what else? That stupid URL I posted that doesn't even bring up the image which is what I wanted to show in the first place instead of that stupid Url, well that stupid URl just extended the width of this thread beyond the boundaries of my computer screen and maybe everybody else's too and now I can't even read this page without having to scroll left and right like every two seconds. So there's that, too.
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| Triple Dee Apr 12 2008 04:00 AM |
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Honestly, it's too hard to tell. It could be but the gray is almost identical to the trousers and it's meant to be [url=http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=lukas/080325]different[/url], unless Majestic used the Mets road gray as the sample for its Coolbase gray. I read on a Mets blog that the Mets did not want a coolbase gray unless it matched.
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| Gwreck Apr 12 2008 07:26 AM |
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Sorry, but just because the Mets were negligent in not getting rid of the black faster (and therefore allowing more great moments to happen while they were wearing those insufferable, ugly uniforms) doesn't somehow legitimize them.
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| AG/DC Apr 12 2008 11:47 AM |
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While members of his family wore and displayed replica Figueroa-27 home jerseys in white the way it should be. They were the most handsomely outfitted folks in the park.
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| Rockin' Doc Apr 13 2008 07:36 AM |
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AG/DC -"No offense, but that's nose-to-spite-your-face terriitory there.
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