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Triple Dee Apr 06 2008 03:31 AM

The team I support led the league for 3/4 of the season, before collapsing with about 8 games remaining, and is effectively out of contention and currently third. When things like this happen to you twice in the space of about 5 months, you start to wonder about the choices you've made in life. Does anybody else here follow EPL? Metirish, you certainly must.

metirish Apr 06 2008 04:46 AM

Yep , Man Utd fan, have been since 81. We have a soccer thread here somewhere, Seo and a few others follow the game. Recently I subscribed to Setanta Broadband because cablevision don't carry it, gotta say it's worth the $14 a month, they show a load of games and other sports I like, Rugby and GAA games. I take it your a Gooners fan , my brother is an Arsenal fan, the other is Liverpool and the oldest is a Spurs fan.

Frayed Knot Apr 06 2008 06:05 AM

"When things like this happen to you twice in the space of about 5 months, you start to wonder about the choices you've made in life." Either that or the whole concept of cause-and-effect.

Kong76 Apr 06 2008 06:31 AM

TD: >>>you start to wonder about the choices you've made in life<<< Damn, I was gonna go out for an omelet this morning but maybe I should hold out for lunch.

metirish Apr 06 2008 08:29 AM

Well fuck, Middlesbrough who only play good against the "big" teams did it again today forcing Man Utd to come back form 2 - 1 down to tie it at 2 at the Riverside, cracking last half hour as Utd chased the game with chances at both ends. Man Utd's lead at the top now three points over Chelsea with five games to go and Utd still have to play both Chelsea and the Arsenal.

A Boy Named Seo Apr 06 2008 08:30 AM

I read an article somewhere (after the 2-1 defeat to Chelsea, I think) that compared Arsenal's collapse to the Mets, and that's kind of a kick square in the adlers if you support both. Buck up, 3D. There's still Champions League and if that chance for silverware gets lost Tuesday, well you could still do worse than Arsenal and the Mets. You could be a Pirates fan and love Bolton or something. Irish - you have Man U., Liverpool, Arsenal, and Spurs under one roof? I bet me and my brothers didn't fight at all compared to you guys.

A Boy Named Seo Apr 06 2008 08:34 AM

metirish wrote: Well fuck, Middlesbrough who only play good against the "big" teams did it again today forcing Man Utd to come back form 2 - 1 down to tie it at 2 at the Riverside, cracking last half hour as Utd chased the game with chances at both ends. Man Utd's lead at the top now three points over Chelsea with five games to go and Utd still have to play both Chelsea and the Arsenal. Who would've thought that after all the injuries and the drama with Jose, that Chelsea would have a legit shot at this point to win the thing? And if they did, the fans would still hate Avram Grant.

metirish Apr 06 2008 08:52 AM

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Irish - you have Man U., Liverpool, Arsenal, and Spurs under one roof? I bet me and my brothers didn't fight at all compared to you guys. It was a blast in our house on match day , and yeah the Chelski fans want rid of Grant and they are three points of the top and still in Europe, arrogant wankers.

Triple Dee Apr 06 2008 09:03 AM

metirish wrote: Yep , Man Utd fan, have been since 81. Most Irish lads who started following football around that time are Gooners, because of Chippy obviously, and most Irish I've met in London still do. metirish wrote: We have a soccer thread here somewhere, Seo and a few others follow the game. Recently I subscribed to Setanta Broadband because cablevision don't carry it, gotta say it's worth the $14 a month, they show a load of games and other sports I like, Rugby and GAA games. Good, we can talk Six Nations when the time comes round again. metirish wrote: I take it your a Gooners fan , my brother is an Arsenal fan, the other is Liverpool and the oldest is a Spurs fan.. I've been following the Arsenal since the late 80's when we lived in London for 2 years. Incidentally, I was at the 2-2 draw with MU last November.

Triple Dee Apr 06 2008 09:07 AM

metirish wrote: ="A Boy Named Seo"] Irish - you have Man U., Liverpool, Arsenal, and Spurs under one roof? I bet me and my brothers didn't fight at all compared to you guys. It was a blast in our house on match day , and yeah the Chelski fans want rid of Grant and they are three points of the top and still in Europe, arrogant wankers. They're pathetic. They were singing "You don't have a f*cking clue" to him during the Arsenal game. Clearly this is where Mets fans got it wrong with Art Howe.

Triple Dee Apr 06 2008 09:14 AM

A Boy Named Seo wrote: I read an article somewhere (after the 2-1 defeat to Chelsea, I think) that compared Arsenal's collapse to the Mets, and that's kind of a kick square in the adlers if you support both. It wasn't that long ago when both teams had a Jose Reyes in their line-up. A Boy Named Seo wrote: Buck up, 3D. There's still Champions League and if that chance for silverware gets lost Tuesday, well you could still do worse than Arsenal and the Mets. You could be a Pirates fan and love Bolton or something. Ha Ha. Very true. A Boy Named Seo wrote: Irish - you have Man U., Liverpool, Arsenal, and Spurs under one roof? I bet me and my brothers didn't fight at all compared to you guys. My father supports Sp*rs. Arsenal fans actually have a song about having a Sp*rs supporting father.

metirish Apr 06 2008 09:21 AM

Chippy is a legend and no doubt will be a help when he becomes an assistant coach under Trappatoni in the Republic team. My earliest true memory of rooting hard for Utd was at age nine when they played the 1983 FA Cup Final, that Utd team featured several Irish players among them Frank Stapleton, Kevin Moran and of course Norman Whiteside. I was up very early this morning feeding my son, I tuned into Setanta and they were showing Aussie Rules Football - Adelaide vs. Port Adelaide , boy it was a savage tough game. Yesterday I watch Munster play Gloucester in the Heineken Cup Quarter Final, Munster won , they would be the Rugby team at home from where I come form and my Brother goes to watch them a lot. Yeah we can talk about the Six-Nations , Ireland's so called "Golden generation" weren't so Golden after all.

Triple Dee Apr 06 2008 09:47 AM

Big Frank is not a particularly well-liked fellow amongst Gooners. Yes, there's much hatred between the two Adelaide team. Aussie Rules doesn't really have a strong following in Sydney. It's more of a rugby league town, but I don't follow it. To me, the start of rugby league season means it's the start of baseball season. I support Les Bleus in 6N (as I do in international football) owing to my heritage from my father's side. However, since Euro 2004 I've started to embrace my mother's heritage in football too. This is my all-time favorite Chippy moment, just sublime;

MFS62 Apr 06 2008 11:27 AM

I read a few weeks ago that my fave team, Tottenham Hotspur, won their group (or was it league?) for the first time in 7 or 8 years. Is that a different league than this one? Can one team play in more than one league? Wassup with that? Later

Triple Dee Apr 06 2008 12:19 PM

Firstly, you may want to rethink your decision to support Sp*rs. Secondly, every season, each team competes in 3-4 distinct and unrelated competitions. In England, there's the; 1. Premier League (EPL) - is league where the top 20 teams play home/away, no play-offs. The team that has the best record wins it. 2. FA Cup; is a knock-out cup competition, involving every single professional and amateur club in England (ie over 700 teams). You can think of this as playoffs without a regular season. If you win you progress, if you lose you're out 3. Carling (League) Cup - which is what Sp*rs won. It's almost identical to the FA Cup except amateur teams don't compete (which brings the number down to about 92 teams). The big clubs actually believe this competition is a farce, and therefore usually field prospects/ non-regular players. PLUS 4. UEFA Champions League - The top 4 teams from the previous year's EPL, compete in this league against the top teams from other European leagues. The format of this competition is probably the closest to regular season/playoff seen in US sports. OR 5. UEFA Cup - teams that finish 5th-7th in the previous year's EPL plus the FA Cup winners compete in this competition, against similar teams from other European countries. Similar format to the UCL. Hope that helps.

MFS62 Apr 07 2008 06:37 PM

Wow! That FA cup must be a real donnybrook. How do they seed all those teams? And, yes, that helped. Thanks. As for loving those 'Spurs, I began following them when I watched a soccer match on TV about 40-50 years ago. I just liked the name. Two years ago, my daughter went to England on business and brought me back a 'Spurs hat and scarf. Yes, she is my favorite daughter. :) Later

Valadius Apr 07 2008 06:54 PM

I've been a Newcastle United fan ever since I had a counselor at summer camp from England who was a huge Newcastle fan.

AG/DC Apr 07 2008 07:44 PM

The FA Cup is awesome. Baseball should so have it.

Triple Dee Apr 07 2008 09:25 PM

MFS62 wrote: Wow! That FA cup must be a real donnybrook. How do they seed all those teams? THere is no individual seeding, however teams enter the competition progressively according to the Division they playing in, ie the teams in the top 2 divisions enter the competition in the 3rd round proper(which is really the 9th round) see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FA_Cup_2007-08#Calendar MFS62 wrote: As for loving those 'Spurs[...] I am very sorry to hear.

Willets Point Apr 08 2008 10:13 AM

I support Everton, mainly because a guy I met in a bar in Liverpool named Uncle Ian told me I should. He also said that Man U are a bunch of wankers.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 08 2008 10:21 AM

West Ham!

metirish Apr 08 2008 10:36 AM

Valadius wrote: I've been a Newcastle United fan ever since I had a counselor at summer camp from England who was a huge Newcastle fan. That explains a lot. If anyone ever wanted to watch a game then the place to go is Nevada Smiths, soccer central in the city. http://www.nevadasmiths.net/

Triple Dee Apr 12 2008 04:30 AM

This weekend metirish and I temporarily put our friendship on hold as Arsenal visit Man U. Manure has a lousy record in the EPL after they play mid-week in the Champions League , but Arsenal will be feeling deflated after being raped by the refereeeliminated in the same competition. Prediction : 2-0 to the Manx. Chelsea with an extra day's rest, entertain Wigan at home, who are relatively safe from relegation and therefore have nothing to play for. Prediction: 3-0 Chelski.

A Boy Named Seo Apr 12 2008 09:02 AM

If Hleb getting rodeo tackled in the first leg was not a penalty, there's just no way Kolo's bump on Babel and Babel's subsequent splash in the box was either. Just a ridiculous way to lose that match. TripD- you see this piece on Lehmann's hatred for Almunia in this morning's [url=http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2273086,00.html]Guardian[/url]? Unreal. Makes Adebayor and Bendtner look like gay lovers.

metirish Apr 12 2008 09:11 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 12 2008 09:26 AM

Arsenal need to win if they still entertain any chance of winning the league , a draw I think would not be the worst result for United but they are playing at home so I expect an open game with a 3 - 2 win for Man U. Fuck Chelsea. Watching SunderIreland against Man City on Setanta. The rather strange Stephen Ireland is in the news again, apparently he is leaning towards not playing for the Republic of Ireland again even though all his coaches want him too and Trappatoni wants him too , he doesn't like the attention , remember this is the guy who made up the excuse that his grandmother died when he needed to get home form international duty, his girlfriend had a miscarriage , when it was found out his granny was alive he said no it was his other granny that died, she hadn't....he doesn't like the attention yet he drives this.. and he dropped his shorts this season after scoring a goal , he was wearing superman underwear.

Triple Dee Apr 12 2008 09:22 AM

A Boy Named Seo wrote: If Hleb getting rodeo tackled in the first leg was not a penalty, there's just no way Kolo's bump on Babel and Babel's subsequent splash in the box was either. Just a ridiculous way to lose that match. It's been a long time since I felt so devastated after a loss. You're right, just a horrible way to lose. Metirish and I were having a private IGT(while the Mets were losing to the Phillies). I think my comment at the time was: I'm going to be sick. A Boy Named Seo wrote: TripD- you see this piece on Lehmann's hatred for Almunia in this morning's [url=http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2273086,00.html]Guardian[/url]? Unreal. Makes Adebayor and Bendtner look like gay lovers. Lemon is a nutjob, so it doesn't really surprising -- didn't he once receive a red card for punching a teammate while playing for Dortmund ? He'll be gone soon, anyway.

A Boy Named Seo Apr 12 2008 09:23 AM

Chelsea and Wigan were postponed today?

Triple Dee Apr 12 2008 09:25 AM

Yeah they're playing Monday UK time.

Triple Dee Apr 12 2008 09:43 AM

If Ireland doesn't want to play for Eire, he should just call Steve Staunton a "fucking wanker". It worked wonders for Roy Keane. Hey guys, listen to the last 2 minutes of this webcast(You may need to let it load before you can FF); http://arseblog.com/podcasts/arsecast_episode51.mp3 An Arsenal fan (an Irish one, at that) calls up Gary Neville (yes, it's really him) and starts winding-up him. It's hysterical.

metirish Apr 12 2008 09:52 AM

Steve Staunton is not the manager anymore, Giovanni Trapattoni is the new boss. Staunton is a nice guy but should never have been appointed as manager.

Triple Dee Apr 12 2008 10:03 AM

Yes, of course. Bad move, IMO -- Trapattoni is a fossil (but from what I hear, so are most of the people running the FAI). His coaching style is about 20 years out of date.

themetfairy Apr 12 2008 10:40 AM

3D - What local sports do you follow Down Under?

Triple Dee Apr 12 2008 11:20 AM

themetfairy wrote: 3D - What local sports do you follow Down Under? Very few -- In summer, the choices are cricket or soccer. The standard of the soccer league is too poor to watch, and cricket is only remotely interesting for me, because it incorporates many skills found in baseball. In winter, there's a choice of Aussie Rules, Rugby League and Rugby Union -- I only really like RU but it's the least popular of the three. Baseball is played fall-to-winter in Australia (so cricketers can hone their skills in the off-season) but there's no professional league here anymore. There was one in the late 80's, early 90's but I wasn't living here at the time. Incidently, the Sydney team were called the Metros and played in orange, blue and teal, and from what i've been told, they were absolutely terrible.

themetfairy Apr 12 2008 11:22 AM

Well, I'm a recent Rutgers grad, so RU sounds good to me. You'll have to verse us on the league in the offseason :)

Valadius Apr 12 2008 11:22 AM

Here's a question I've had for a while - what the heck is the difference between rugby league and rugby union?

Triple Dee Apr 12 2008 08:18 PM

- RU has 15 players on the field v 13 in RL - Differences in points award. - Many rule differences. - General differences in style of play; RU revolves more around scrimmaging whereas is RL is more open, say like lacrosse. Metfairy -- The US actual has more rugby clubs than any other country in the world. The best RU competitions are the one's held at international level, whether between countries or clubs. Btw, congratulations on your graduation.

themetfairy Apr 12 2008 08:35 PM

Thanks 3D :) It's been a process - I've been done with classes since August, but I'm finally going to have my graduation ceremony next month.

metirish Apr 12 2008 08:39 PM

There is a good argument that RL is a better game but where I am from Union is the game, in fact Union is the code that's pushed more on TV in Europe but RL has been professional forever while Union has been only pro for little over ten years. But all that is for a different thread.

metirish Apr 12 2008 08:46 PM

Aston Villa hammered Derby County 6 - 0 today, the stadium announcer at Pride Park must be a very optimistic person because even as thousands of people were leaving and the home team down 6 he reminded the fans that the ticket shop would remain open late so season tickets could be renewed.

Triple Dee Apr 13 2008 03:33 AM

Derby County are on-course to exceed the futility of their 90-91 season, where they only managed 3 wins in the top-flight. That's quite an impressive achievement.

Triple Dee Apr 14 2008 03:12 AM

Collapse is complete. Congrats, metirish.

A Boy Named Seo Apr 14 2008 04:56 PM

Alex Song? Jens Lehmann?? WTF?

Triple Dee Apr 15 2008 05:03 AM

I have no idea. Supporting this team was such an emotional rollercoaster this season, I don't want to think about them anymore. Oh, and I'm sure we'll lose Flim-Flam, too. Btw, who do you support?

metirish Apr 15 2008 06:38 AM

Wigan stun Chelsea with a 90 minute equalizer , Utd now five clear with four games to go. Look Arsenal are paying the price of Wenger not buying any players either after last season or in the January transfer window , what is it with him and not spending the money , while it is admirable to nature all these young players his squad is clearly not big enough.

Triple Dee Apr 15 2008 07:16 AM

metirish wrote: Look Arsenal are paying the price of Wenger not buying any players either after last season or in the January transfer window , They bought Eduardo, Sagna, Fabianski, and Diarrhoea (who left in January). They also got Bendtner back from a year on-loan at Brum. It was the injury to Van Persie that killed them. metirish wrote: what is it with him and not spending the money He's an economist.

metirish Apr 15 2008 07:21 AM

Triple Dee wrote: ="metirish"]Look Arsenal are paying the price of Wenger not buying any players either after last season or in the January transfer window , They bought Eduardo, Sagna, Fabianski, and Diarrhoea (who left in January). They also got Bendtner back from a year on-loan at Brum. It was the injury to Van Persie that killed them. ="metirish"]what is it with him and not spending the money He's an economist. Like I said he bought no one.

A Boy Named Seo Apr 15 2008 11:05 AM

metirish wrote: ="Triple Dee"] metirish wrote: Look Arsenal are paying the price of Wenger not buying any players either after last season or in the January transfer window , They bought Eduardo, Sagna, Fabianski, and Diarrhoea (who left in January). They also got Bendtner back from a year on-loan at Brum. It was the injury to Van Persie that killed them. metirish wrote: what is it with him and not spending the money He's an economist. Like I said he bought no one. Arsenal were doomed by prolonged slumps, injuries, and lack of depth to sustain those injuries, all which snowballed before crashing horrifically at the bottom of the mountain this past weekend. Hard to really blame AW him for standing pat. Fabregas shot out of the gates and looked for two months to be the best player in the world. Then he stopped scoring. Just stopped. Adebayor turned into one of the most dangerous players in the league. I think if Togo would've qualified for ACN, Arsenal would've tanked a bit earlier, though, and maybe forced his hand. But even then, ACN was late January and he would've had to act fast. Really fast to bring someone in. Eduardo adapted well and became a legit scorer, but got in hurt in February. Hard to replace a guy then. They just got screwed by bad luck and bad timing. Bad fucking luck, man. Lehmann's flub against Blackburn was 2 points. Big Phil's OG against Aston was 2 more points. Clichy's penalty against Birmingham was 2 points. There's more, but my stomach hurts. The combination of all the injuries to Eduardo, Rosicky, van Persie, Flamini and Sagna at the end, was just too much when your top guys stop scoring. I was bummed Diarra didn't work out and think they'll miss him if Flamini doensn't return, and I bet he'll take some huge ransom from Juventus or wherever and bolt. He's got to look to replace van Persie and Rosicky both. I love those dudes, but you can't count on them to be on the pitch. Fabianski got torched in his only first team action, IIRC. Not sure he's a suitable #2. Of his striker options after Ade, he can't really count on any of them to be 100% healthy or capable. I think he's got more shopping to do than he lets on. Oh yeah, I like Arsenal. Bah.

metirish Apr 15 2008 12:50 PM

I think Wenger is a brilliant manager/coach , Arsenal play some beautiful football and over the years he has built some great sides, with the resources Arsenal have they should not have to worry about not having a big enough squad.

Triple Dee Apr 15 2008 10:09 PM

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Hard to really blame AW him for standing pat. I blame AW for not bringing in a winger when the club was crying out for one. He tried to bring in Ribéry but they were outbid by Bayern. His Plan B was to get Sagna who turned out to be a fantastic player but it meant pushing Ebouseless up to the wing. And then Arsène persevered with Ebouseless, and persevered and preserved until it was impossible for anybody to justify his selection anymore. If you consider the type of season Ribéry just had for BM, I’m certain if they had signed him, we would have won the league and we’d still be in with a shot of the Champion’s League. You can arguably blame Arsène for having a small squad that was vulnerable to injury, and not creating competition for places. Too many players became complacent this season, and only played when they felt like it. The worst culprits were Hleb, Ebouseless, Rosicknote (on the rare occasion he was actually fit) and to a lesser extent Cesc. A Boy Named Seo wrote: Clichy's penalty against Birmingham was 2 points. Never in the course of all the seasons that I have followed football, have I seen a season turn so drastically on one incident, although it may well have been Gallas' reaction to it that triggered the collapse. It was just so surreal. A Boy Named Seo wrote: Fabianski got torched in his only first team action, IIRC. Fab had some solid performances in the CC. They are some football writers (eg Amy Lawrence of the Guardian) who think he's Arsenal's best keeper.

A Boy Named Seo Apr 15 2008 11:15 PM

Triple Dee wrote: ="A Boy Named Seo"] Hard to really blame AW him for standing pat. I blame AW for not bringing in a winger when the club was crying out for one. He tried to bring in Ribéry but they were outbid by Bayern. His Plan B was to get Sagna who turned out to be a fantastic player but it meant pushing Ebouseless up to the wing. And then Arsène persevered with Ebouseless, and persevered and preserved until it was impossible for anybody to justify his selection anymore. If you consider the type of season Ribéry just had for BM, I’m certain if they had signed him, we would have won the league and we’d still be in with a shot of the Champion’s League. You can arguably blame Arsène for having a small squad that was vulnerable to injury, and not creating competition for places. Too many players became complacent this season, and only played when they felt like it. The worst culprits were Hleb, Ebouseless, Rosicknote (on the rare occasion he was actually fit) and to a lesser extent Cesc. ="A Boy Named Seo"] Clichy's penalty against Birmingham was 2 points. Never in the course of all the seasons that I have followed football, have I seen a season turn so drastically on one incident, although it may well have been Gallas' reaction to it that triggered the collapse. It was just so surreal. ="A Boy Named Seo"] Fabianski got torched in his only first team action, IIRC. Fab had some solid performances in the CC. They are some football writers (eg Amy Lawrence of the Guardian) who think he's Arsenal's best keeper. I meant standing pat in January. No doubt Ribery would've been a nice addition last summer. I do like Hleb and Rosicky a lot, but neither score enough (or ever) and Rosciky just can't stay healthy. Theo's time has come. Eboue's antics and flopping are a complete embarrassment, but I kinda like his ability. Off to Barca or somewhere anyway is the rumor. OK, I say. I've never actually seen Fabianski. Alumnia says he's better than Lehmann. Does that mean anything?

Triple Dee Apr 16 2008 07:20 AM

I respectfully disagree about Ebouseless - his rare moments of skill are outweighed by poor pass selection, constant loss of possession, non-existent shooting ability and volatile conduct and other related histrionics. If you critique Hleb and Rosicky for not scoring enough, well, Ebouseless has never scored. Fabianski is a very good keeper -- it's rare for a European keeper to be capped 6 times before his 23rd birthday, and Poland has some very good keepers to choose from. The CC semi-final 2nd leg v Sp*rs was an aberration. Oh, btw, Jens says he [url=http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2273837,00.html]doesn't hate Almunia[/url] -- lol, can you feel the love?! Btw, I don't believe Ben Arfa is the solution-- I've seen him play enough times this season to believe he won't be a success at Arsenal. Rafael van der Vaart (HSV) is more the type of winger they need -- one who scores goals, like Pires. Also I very much doubt Eduardo will ever fully recover (ref [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Ventura#Post-career_rehabilitation]Robin Ventura's problems[/url] to an injury which was almost identical) so I think another striker is an absolute necessity; since Benzema is a pipe dream, I think Diego of Werder Bremen is a more realistic possibility. He's more of a support striker like Bergkamp, and scores regularly.

metirish Apr 16 2008 10:32 AM

Can't say I blame him for looking.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 16 2008 10:47 AM

That's the grossest picture I've ever seen, I think.

A Boy Named Seo Apr 28 2008 06:23 PM

3D, I would've had to go to a bar with Setanta to catch the match today, so I skipped it and the eventual lofty bar tab for surfing instead. Did you see it? I know Fab gave up a couple, but how'd he look? Flamster's apparently gone, eh?

Triple Dee Apr 28 2008 07:29 PM

I watched a bit as I was getting ready for work. I don't know why. Fab had a good game, and was faultless for their goals. Flim-Flam is gone barring a miracle. I wonder how many times they're going to repeat the line "there's money to spend" this summer, when everybody knows there isn't. (Btw, you know there are places on the WWW to watch live streaming of games for free).

A Boy Named Seo Apr 28 2008 08:05 PM

Yeah, I do. Those sites seem seedy, though, and I've stayed away. There's a bar about a 15-minute walk away I go to when they're on Setanta. One tab is always more than one month of Setanta, but I'm OK with having a few, hopefully seeing a win, and walking home. Looks like Hleb's gone, too. I know you're not too broken about him, but that decimates the midfield pretty well. A little worried here.

metirish Apr 28 2008 08:20 PM

I've checked out those sites and frankly I would rather pay the $14 a month for Setanta Braodbrand .

Triple Dee Apr 28 2008 10:52 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Apr 28 2008 10:56 PM

metirish wrote: I've checked out those sites and frankly I would rather pay the $14 a month for Setanta Braodbrand . As part of the basic cable package, we get "Viewer's Choice" which allows you to pick which EPL game to watch when there's more than one live at the same time.

Triple Dee Apr 28 2008 10:53 PM

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Looks like Hleb's gone, too. I know you're not too broken about him, but that decimates the midfield pretty well. A little worried here. You and me both, kid.

metirish Apr 29 2008 12:47 PM

Here is the Professional Footballers' Association all-star XI. Votes were cast over a month ago. PFA Premier team of the season James (Portsmouth) Sagna (Arsenal), Ferdinand (Manchester United), Vidic (Manchester United), Clichy (Arsenal) Ronaldo (Manchester United), Gerrard (Liverpool), Fabregas (Arsenal), Young (Aston Villa) Adebayor (Arsenal), Torres (Liverpool) Ronaldo retains the PFA Player of the Year.

metirish Apr 29 2008 02:25 PM

Past PFA winners since 1974. There is a mistake in here , can you spot it? [url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2008/04/27/sfnpas127.xml]Winners 1974 - [/url]

MFS62 Apr 30 2008 07:55 AM

metirish wrote: Past PFA winners since 1974. There is a mistake in here , can you spot it? [url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2008/04/27/sfnpas127.xml]Winners 1974 - [/url] The major mistake to me is that the list does not show the teams for which each of them won the award. Since the bios say that some of them have played for multiple teams, I would think fans reading the list in the future would like to know that information. EDIT: Now that I read it more closely, it also includes players who had since retired. So I guess it isn't strictly an "MVP" type of list. But in some cases it seems to be. Later

A Boy Named Seo May 21 2008 12:45 PM

I'm rooting for Chelsea today. It feels gross, but just a bit less disgusting than rooting for United. Ashley Cole's in the lineup today, though, so that's not helping any.

A Boy Named Seo May 21 2008 03:39 PM

Fucking gag. Congrats Irish. Again.

metirish May 21 2008 07:52 PM

WOW , I actually couldn't take of work today but managed to not see the score , watched the replay on espn2...fucking wow , United I thought just about edged the game , certainly had the better players in the likes of Tevez , yeah he missed two sitters but never stopped working. Fifty years after the Munich tragedy Manchester United are Champions of Europe , and that's fitting.

Willets Point May 21 2008 07:57 PM

They're still a bunch of wankers.

A Boy Named Seo May 22 2008 01:33 AM

metirish wrote: WOW , I actually couldn't take of work today but managed to not see the score , watched the replay on espn2...fucking wow , United I thought just about edged the game , certainly had the better players in the likes of Tevez , yeah he missed two sitters but never stopped working. Fifty years after the Munich tragedy Manchester United are Champions of Europe , and that's fitting. I was wondering if you were taping it or anything. That's how I live everyday in baseball season. Lots of 4PM starts and avoiding TV's, computers, and telephones. Lonely existence.

A Boy Named Seo Nov 05 2008 11:08 AM

Irish, what's the deal with this guy? I missed the Stoke game last week thankfully.

Willets Point Nov 05 2008 11:15 AM

That's legal?

metirish Nov 06 2008 08:49 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 06 2008 08:57 AM

I can't see that video here at work , but I am guessing it's Rory Delap and his howitzer style throw ins? It's perfectly legal and teams are having a hell of a time trying to defend it , something like 8 of Stokes 13 gaols have come from Delap throws causing havoc in the area. Rory was capped 11 times for Ireland. Rory was a javelin thrower in school and he credits that with giving him arm strength. Managers liken his throw ins to fee kicks , they are that flat and he generates great power in them.

Willets Point Nov 06 2008 08:55 AM

For some reason I thought it was against the rules to throw in to the box around the goal, but I guess I'm wrong.

Frayed Knot Nov 06 2008 09:04 AM

I remember a highlight film from a bunch of years ago of a U.S. college game where the thrower took a running start into a headstand (ball-stand?) and then continued the flip back onto his feet at which point he let the ball go where it traveled about 1/2 the length of the field like it was shot out of a cannon and led directly to a goal. Not sure if they outlawed that move afterward or not. I assume that a throw going directly into the goal isn't legal?

metirish Nov 06 2008 09:09 AM

Frayed Knot wrote: I remember a highlight film from a bunch of years ago of a U.S. college game where the thrower took a running start into a headstand (ball-stand?) and then continued the flip back onto his feet at which point he let the ball go where it traveled about 1/2 the length of the field like it was shot out of a cannon and led directly to a goal. Not sure if they outlawed that move afterward or not. I assume that a throw going directly into the goal isn't legal? I've seen guys do the flip and throw , I don't see why a goal direct from a throw would not be legal , one form a corner kick is, having said that I cannot remember ever seeing it happen.

Edgy DC Nov 06 2008 09:13 AM

Kim Pickup of WUSA did the flip all the time. It was gorgeous.

Willets Point Nov 06 2008 09:19 AM

Edgy DC wrote: Kim Pickup of WUSA did the flip all the time. It was gorgeous. That reminds me. Women's Professional Soccer begins play in April. Yay! http://www.womensprosoccer.com/