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Frayed Knot Apr 18 2008 10:55 AM |
A fugly beginning (4 starts each) from some high-rent hurlers:
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Centerfield Apr 18 2008 10:56 AM |
You have a mistake in there.
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Benjamin Grimm Apr 18 2008 10:56 AM |
And also, to think that had a few things broken differently, Zito and/or Oswalt would be Mets right now.
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metirish Apr 18 2008 11:04 AM |
Sabathia in his contract year with the bad start , his agent must be pissed , I'd think he would turn things around as will Verlander and Oswalt but Zito looks terrible and the Giants are terrible , they have no offense at all.
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AG/DC Apr 24 2008 09:04 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 24 2008 10:20 AM |
Brutal:
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Valadius Apr 24 2008 09:07 AM |
Barry Zito = Brian Lawrence.
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metirish Apr 24 2008 09:26 AM |
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Not fair on Lawrence that , he had one decent year and never signed a huge contract.
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Fman99 Apr 24 2008 09:46 AM |
Finally a thread that makes me feel better about Castillo's 4 yr./$19 million deal.
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Triple Dee Apr 24 2008 09:49 AM |
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I'll make you feel sick again; it's 4 years/$25M
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Fman99 Apr 24 2008 09:58 AM |
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FUCK!
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Benjamin Grimm Apr 24 2008 10:00 AM |
The objectionable part is the four years.
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AG/DC Apr 24 2008 10:14 AM |
It's six million a year after the signing bonus. I think the Mets'll mostly be OK, even if he isn't.
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Benjamin Grimm Apr 24 2008 10:19 AM |
Between SNY and Citi Field, the Mets will be raking in a lot of dough.
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Triple Dee Apr 24 2008 10:26 AM |
The Mets are currently ~$16M below the luxury tax threshold.
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Frayed Knot Apr 24 2008 10:31 AM |
And while I'm not the biggest fan of either Luis Castillo or (especially of) the contract he signed, let's not go overboard and treat this season's small and injury-recovering sample of him as the standard of what he's been all along.
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Triple Dee Apr 28 2008 07:00 PM |
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metirish Apr 28 2008 07:15 PM |
WOW , I'm stunned.
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TransMonk Apr 28 2008 07:40 PM |
That's the stupidest thing ever. This is beyond an ace being down.
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KC Apr 28 2008 07:55 PM |
Giving him that contract was the stupidest thing ever.
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smg58 Apr 28 2008 08:01 PM |
The DL would have made more sense. Something isn't right with his arm, and you might as well find him a decent doctor and free up a roster spot.
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AG/DC Apr 28 2008 08:06 PM |
I don't know that we have any reason to suppose they haven't been consulting with decent doctors.
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KC Apr 28 2008 08:13 PM |
Yeah, an investment like that has plenty of good docs so I don't quite
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TransMonk Apr 28 2008 08:14 PM |
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No one knew he would have such an Ankielian reversal. His contract was big but not out of comprehension. There's no way he still doesn't have top half of the rotation talent. Whoever their pitching coach is (Righetti?) must be a moron. But now that he is what he is, I have no clue how going to the bullpen is going to remotely help the situation. If he's hurt, then DL him. If his head's not right, get a shrink. The fans in the bay area seem to hate him anyway and even with Zito at ace strength they are a sub .500 team, IMO.
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KC Apr 28 2008 08:17 PM |
The number of years was ridiculous.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 28 2008 08:23 PM |
So what's the story with Zito anyway? You know, I see very little of him and don't watch ESPN. He's a curveball/flyball guy, so what happened? Are his flyballs now HRs and curve not curving?
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metirish Apr 28 2008 08:31 PM |
As I mentioned somewhere else here I've read that his fastball is only in the mid-eighties and his curve is like 82 , not going to work that.
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seawolf17 Apr 28 2008 08:35 PM |
I think he came down with a bad case of the suck.
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KC Apr 28 2008 08:37 PM |
Maybe he had to quit using something that gave him more kahnfidence too.
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AG/DC Apr 28 2008 08:45 PM |
I'm going to guess that his arm, while not disabled per se, snapped off the curve too much and can't snap like it did.
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holychicken Apr 29 2008 05:25 AM |
Is there anything else to say other than "ouch?"
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DocTee Apr 29 2008 07:28 AM |
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How about: "WHEW!"
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Frayed Knot Apr 29 2008 07:40 AM |
The problem with Zito's contract is that he was merely an above average pitcher already showing signs of decline 4 seasons removed from his CY year by the time of the signing, but still getting paid like the ace he had briefly been. And it was too long.
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Triple Dee Apr 29 2008 07:46 AM |
John Kruk says putting him in the bullpen will allow him to scuff up or vaseline the ball. WTF?
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AG/DC Apr 29 2008 08:07 AM |
It's the sort of situation that makes 'bucket refer to some guys as Brand Name aces or Brand Name releivers or such. They won a big award a few years back and they have a honeymoon period when, despite receding from that level (in some cases sharply) their names still evoke quality, and high pay.
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Rockin' Doc Apr 30 2008 06:28 PM |
I recently saw a segment discussing Zito on Baseball Tonight. They said the problem is that he has lost arm strength to the point that his fastball was consistently in the 82-84 range this season. His change up is being clocked at almost the same speed. Without a decent fastball to work off of, his curve has lost it's effectiveness.
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