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When will Willie be fired?

May

2 votes

June

8 votes

July

6 votes

August

1 votes

September

0 votes

After the season

8 votes

None of the above, he'll be in St. Lucie next April

14 votes

Benjamin Grimm Apr 30 2008 02:57 PM

When will Willie be fired?

Benjamin Grimm Apr 30 2008 02:58 PM

Put me down for June.

MFS62 Apr 30 2008 03:06 PM

I voted for July. But the option I would have voted for is "not soon enough". Later

metirish Apr 30 2008 04:31 PM

July , right before the All-Star break.

Batty31 Apr 30 2008 04:46 PM

Irish, I was thinking the same thing before I even saw your post. I say if not before the All Star break, then right after.

G-Fafif Apr 30 2008 05:20 PM

I voted June since I figure the Mets will give him, in the spirit of Joe Frazier, through Memorial Day, but will then be sensitive/paranoid enough to let Joe Torre get out of town on June 1. I'm with MFS62, however, on when I want him fired.

d'Kong76 Apr 30 2008 05:41 PM

I took 'after the season' -- I'm the only one so far -- and it assumes that the Mets will not be successful in 2008. I don't assume that. a) I don't think the Mets will fall out of contention by June or July. C'mon -- you Marlin lovers step away from the empty paint thinner cans. b) I think the Mets are so conscientious of making it look like they know what they're doing (even when they may not) that firing Willie in mid-season would be an admission of a mistake to some (not saying he was). c) If the last game at Shea is indeed a regular season game, then cutting bait with Willie in November and bringing in a marquee manager to usher in the new era of CitiField (or some Mets oriented historical figure) will be easier than doing it during the season and having him waddle through the rest of 2008 and taking all the heat after last year. They'll let Willie take it, and I don't think they'd saddle Hojo or someone with it to hold us over. All that being said, I think ya'll need a major injection of LETS GO METS!!!

metirish Apr 30 2008 06:01 PM

We're fucked if KC is the optomistic one ...........lets go mets...:)

MFS62 Apr 30 2008 06:20 PM

Oh, .... OK. Lets Go Mets! Later

d'Kong76 Apr 30 2008 06:23 PM

I'm historically more optimistic than your average bear, you've only been around during more down times than up times I think. I've just voiced it less and less after realizing the fodder it gives to some types and I've also tried to be more objective. I'll never think a season is over on May 1st. Nine unearned runs ain't Willie's fault nor is when the whole lineup takes the day off from bringing the wood.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 30 2008 06:46 PM

I think the Mets really want Willie to succeed and KC makes a good point... they prolly won't whack him until they're safely out of it so my vote of June is optimistically pessimistic.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 30 2008 06:49 PM

I'm gonna do a lot of agreeing here .... with MFS62 and G-Fafif on the not soon enough comments. And with KC on his observation that maybe, the Mets have to fall out of contention for the axe to fall on Willie in mid-season. Does anyone think Willie gets fired during this season with the Mets reasonably in contention? I'd like to hope it can happen. But what has to happen for that to happen?

metirish Apr 30 2008 07:03 PM

You know I was only having fun KC , is it enough for the Mets to be in contention in a weak division? , keep playing the way they are and stay a few games out or even be a game ahead , of course it is and I don't think Jeff and Fred are that way inclined to dump a guy when the team are in it , still they are playing some terrible baseball.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 30 2008 07:05 PM

In starting this poll, I wasn't saying that Willie should be fired because of today's blowout. But everyone here knows that there are better managers to be had. Sooner or later the Mets will realize that too. I'm just trying to get a temperature check on when we think that might happen.

G-Fafif Apr 30 2008 07:10 PM

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Does anyone think Willie gets fired during this season with the Mets reasonably in contention? I'd like to hope it can happen. But what has to happen for that to happen? Ownership seems uberconscious of image. Until lately I thought they'd never consider offing Willie or Omar en route to Citi Field because they'd like to be stable or at least take on the appearance of stability. But if the first month is indicative of the team's performance, a little over .500, hanging in there in a so-so division, and if the play is lethargic (injuries notwithstanding), I can't see them hearing the FAN and reading the back pages and not getting itchy. Willie, right or wrong, will be judged as much on last year as this year. If he's doing his zen master thing and the Mets aren't producing any more than they did in the last four months of '07 (I think returning him was his get-out-of-jail-free card, as in "hey, collapses happen, he won a division last year"), there will be consequences. Since the one-third mark of 2007, the Mets are a .500 ballclub, exactly: 67-67. That's five-sixths of a season, a pretty large sample. They have not lived up to their payroll at all. They have a new toy and he can only pitch every five days and he's not rubbing off on anybody else or sparking anybody or doing more than, well, pitching every five days. Santana's fine, but he didn't raise the offense or the hustle or the general competence of his teammates. That's not his fault. The miasma that has overtaken the team more days and nights than not may not be anybody's fault except those who might be judged to have underperformed. And who generally receives the blame for circumstances like those? The manager. The manager is supposed to be the team leader (isn't that what David always says when asked about being the captain of the future?). The manager is supposed to set the tone. Whatever tone is being set isn't really sounding a great note. Perhaps it will in May. Perhaps a little calm and a little patience is what this team needs. I have a hunch it isn't and I have a hunch that Willie will be the fall guy...before fall.

d'Kong76 Apr 30 2008 07:11 PM

20 votes in a poll here in four hours is pretty good otherwise I'd apologize for hijacking it a little, BG.

Frayed Knot Apr 30 2008 07:54 PM

"But everyone here knows that there are better managers to be had" And available in mid-season? Who leaps to mind?

El Segundo Escupidor Apr 30 2008 11:57 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 01 2008 08:37 AM

Frayed Knot wrote: "But everyone here knows that there are better managers to be had" And available in mid-season? Who leaps to mind? Not only is there nobody else available mid-season, there is nobody coming off contract in the next year that would warrant serious consideration (and I'm sure most people here would prefer Willie to Grady Little or Larry Bowa) This, and the fact the NL East looks weak this year, leads me to believe, the Mets will perserve with Willie. However, without looking at his current minor league management record, John Stearns is the type of guy that could light a fire under this team. Failing that, what about Howard Johnson? Admittedly both these guys are rookies at the ML level, but no more than Willie was when he took over.

Frayed Knot May 01 2008 06:51 AM

Not only is there nobody else available mid-season, there is nobody coming off contract in the next year that would warrant serious consideration ... John Stearns is the type of guy that could lit a fire under this team. Failing that, what about Howard Johnson? Admittedly both these guys are rookies at the ML level, but no more than Willie was when he took over. Which was pretty much my point. I'm certainly not in love with Willie and would be willing to consider almost any angle. But at times I think the focus on the mgr simply as an outlet for frustration takes over to the point where I wonder if we'd making a change with a definite upgrade in mind or just changing for change sake and hoping for a boost in a wishful 'backup QB/Grass-is-Greener' kind of way.

AG/DC May 01 2008 06:54 AM

Stearns has headed minor league teams. HoJo hasn't. (Not that Willie ever did.) Consensus seems to be that, if he survives July, he survives the season. After the season, there's always the chance that Bobby Valentine or Davey Johnson get an offer they can't refuse (however ill-advised) from a desperate Wilpon family, or a desperate Minaya, if he survives Willlie.

Benjamin Grimm May 01 2008 07:19 AM

I acknowledge that finding an in-season replacement can be difficult, unless you promote from within the organization. (Jerry Manuel and Nick Leyva are two that I can think of who have managerial experience, but I'm not advocating for either of them.) Bobby Valentine, for both of his big league jobs, was an in-season replacement. With the Mets, he was promoted from Tidewater to replace Dallas Green. He was also hired away from the Mets (where he was their third base coach) in 1985 by Texas. I don't remember how they pulled that off. Did they ask the Mets for permission, and interview Bobby, before they fired Doug Rader? Generally speaking, I would think that if Willie were fired during the season, he'd either be replaced by a permanent or interim manager from within the organization, or an interim would be appointed to hold the fort while the Mets looked both inside and outside for a replacement. And while I don't think this has happened yet, if Willie were to convincingly "lose" the club, like Bud Harrelson even admitted doing as revealed by Marty Noble in his MBTN interview, then I think he has to go right away. Even if the Mets are still within reach of a playoff spot at that point. Especially if the Mets are still within reach. I don't know what's going to happen, but I do suspect that Willie's days are numbered. I don't think Citi Field is much of a consideration either. I think what the Mets want more than anything for the Citi Field opener is the chance to raise a championship flag on Opening Day. And if they think they have a better shot at that with someone other than Willie Randolph in the dugout, then they'll make a move.

AG/DC May 01 2008 07:26 AM

Being promoted from Tidewater (as Johnson and Valentine were) is a different situation. They were both managers in waiting and were both familiar with the personnel they wanted to build their team on. Do you want Ken Oberkfell? There's certainly an argument for him.

TheOldMole May 01 2008 07:44 AM

I would assume Oberkfell, by all accounts a strong managerial prospect, would be the replacement, but I'm for keeping Willie.

Benjamin Grimm May 01 2008 07:49 AM

I might be okay with Oberkfell. I don't know much about him. As I've said before, I want a smart guy to be the manager. (I consider the Mets to have had two smart managers, and they're my two favorites: Davey Johnson and Bobby Valentine. Is Oberkfell smart? I have no idea. Are there many smart guys to choose from? Again, I really don't know.) Some possible candidates from within the Mets organization: Ken Oberkfell Manager in New Orleans. In his fourth year as a AAA manager. Has also managed one year a AA (Binghamton) in 2004. Managed St. Lucie in 2002 and 2003, Capital City in 2001. Managed at Single A in the Phillies organization from 1997 through 2000. Tim Teufel Managing the St. Lucie Mets, and losing a lot of games. Managed in Savannah last year, St. Lucie in 2004 and 2005, Brooklyn in 2003. (I don't know where he was in 2006.) Edgar Alfonzo Managed Brooklyn in 2007 and will be there again in 2008. Also managed the Cylones in 2001. In between he was coaching in St. Lucie and Binghamton. Also managed Kingsport, in 2000. Nick Leyva Manager of the Kingsport Mets this year. Had a losing record as the Phillies manager from 1989 through 1991. Tom Nieto Named Baseball America's best managerial prospect (1997). Has seven years of managing experience at the Single A level in various organizations. (None with the Mets.) Jerry Manuel Managed the White Sox from 1998 through 2003. (Record of 500-471.) Al Manager of the Year in 2000. Bench coach for the 1997 Marlins. Six years as a third base coach in Montreal. Howard Johnson Managed the Cyclones in 2002. Four seasons as a minor league hitting instructor in the Mets organization. (St. Lucie, Binghamton, Norfolk.) Sandy Alomar Sr. Many years as a major league coach. Interim manager for Iowa (AAA) in 1991 and Williamsport (A) in 1994. Has also served as a manager in the Puerto Rican winter leagues. (Manager of the Year in 1986 and 1993.)

El Segundo Escupidor May 01 2008 08:52 AM

AG/DC wrote: After the season, there's always the chance that Bobby Valentine or Davey Johnson get an offer they can't refuse (however ill-advised) from a desperate Wilpon family, or a desperate Minaya, if he survives Willlie. I like Davey Johnson, and I'd welcome him back with open arms. The Genius is a different proposition. While I don't dispute he can be a sound baseball manager, there is a view the Mets missed out on FAs during his reign because players didn't want to deal with his personality.

batmagadanleadoff May 01 2008 09:00 AM

Triple Dee wrote: The Genius is a different proposition. While I don't dispute he can be a sound baseball manager, there is a view the Mets missed out on FAs during his reign because players didn't want to deal with his personality. Yeah. Re-hiring Valentine means the Mets can never re-sign Cliff Floyd.

AG/DC May 01 2008 09:06 AM

Triple Dee wrote: AG/DC wrote: After the season, there's always the chance that Bobby Valentine or Davey Johnson get an offer they can't refuse (however ill-advised) from a desperate Wilpon family, or a desperate Minaya, if he survives Willlie. I like Davey Johnson, and I'd welcome him back with open arms. The Genius is a different proposition. While I don't dispute he can be a sound baseball manager, there is a view the Mets missed out on FAs during his reign because players didn't want to deal with his personality. There is a view? To whom are you referring? And who calls him "the Genius"?

metirish May 01 2008 09:07 AM

Yeah IIRC some of those players when pressed took back comments made about not coming here if Bobby was still manager.....I think Floyd said it then changed his mind and Glavine hinted at it but then said he had no problem with V. Did I forget Mike Stanton said it also?

El Segundo Escupidor May 01 2008 09:19 AM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on May 01 2008 09:31 AM

AG/DC wrote: And who calls him "the Genius"? My apologies, it's an epithet used on another Mets forum I posted to once upon a time. I wasn't aware it wasn't universal. (The other epithet that was used was "Wile E.").

Benjamin Grimm May 01 2008 09:21 AM

With 30 votes in, half of us think that Willie will be fired before the season ends, and two thirds of us think that he'll be gone before Opening Day 2009.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 01 2008 09:25 AM

I know the question is "when will" but I think the results reflect "when should"

Benjamin Grimm May 01 2008 09:43 AM

Our previous discussion of this hot topic: Willie's Seat ... and How Hot it Might Be

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 01 2008 10:01 AM

Really interesting look back. I'd forgotten all that backroom Bernazard stuff and wonder how much still is out there.

Willets Point May 01 2008 10:04 AM

Willie brings Yankee class and a winning tradition to the organization.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 01 2008 10:05 AM

answering my own question: From Newsday 4/20: Once again, Mets vice president Tony Bernazard treated Nationals manager Manny Acta like a long-lost brother this past week at Shea Stadium, talking with Acta at length during batting practice. Given the tensions surrounding Willie Randolph's job security, Bernazard should cease and desist.

HahnSolo May 01 2008 10:16 AM

Wally Backman might be a candidate to appease the fans who are looking for a manager who shows a little fire. Or at least displays a pulse. I think a team will give Backman a chance one day and will get results.

Benjamin Grimm May 01 2008 10:21 AM

Hiring a candidate to appease the fans is not a good idea. Hire someone who'll make the team win. Then the fans will be happy. But the goal should be winning; the fans shouldn't be a factor. Oh, and here's my prediction from that other thread, made on October 3: If, in May, the Mets find themselves around .500 and in third place (which is not at all far-fetched) Willie will probably be fired anyway.

Frayed Knot May 01 2008 10:26 AM

Bernazard should certainly "ceast and desist" if for no other reason than simply for the image it portrays. But extrapolating from his personal affection for Acta to thinking there's something afoot is probably stretching a bit. Besides, I saw more goofy in-game moves from Acta in just the few games we played them this year than I've seen watching Willie every night. Plus it's not like Acta's got an unexpectedly good record to fall back on at the moment.

Benjamin Grimm May 01 2008 10:29 AM

Nor is he available. Acta currently has a managing job, and I doubt the Nationals would grant the Mets permission to steal him away.

MFS62 May 02 2008 04:00 PM

Here's a sportswriter who thinks it should be now: http://www2.nysun.com/article/75689 Later

batmagadanleadoff May 02 2008 04:58 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on May 02 2008 05:25 PM

MFS62 wrote: Here's a sportswriter who thinks it should be now: http://www2.nysun.com/article/75689Later I suppose that Marchman would join the "not soon enough" camp from this thread. Marchman continues: TimMarchman wrote: "Unless a manager is a genius, all one can ask him to do is not actively harm his team's chances. Randolph doesn't pass this test." I've always believed this, myself. A manager, except maybe a great one, couldn't coax more than a tiny number of wins from a team, over and above its' potential. Instead, a manager excels by not harming the team's chances. And this is where I think Randolph has failed. Willie debuted in 2005 ... the New Mets ... Willie's Kids ... Willie's Mets. Yet Randolph's first year legacy, now that it's all over is that the 2005 Mets, from a tactical standpoint, were probably the most mismanaged Mets team in franchise history, accounting of course for the team's ability to contend because who cares whether Salty Parker batted this guy fourth instead of that guy. It would've been more palatable, as just one example, to see Reyes hack away without a clue more than 700 times in 2005 from the leadoff spot if that team was hopeless and going nowhere. But the 2005 Mets contended. Despite Willie Randolph. And if Randolph says he was surprised by his team's competitiveness, well it was his job to know otherwise. We'll never know if the 2005 Mets would've made it to the post-season with a different manager, but they weren't better off with Randolph. In 2006, the Mets obliterated the competition, again in spite of rather than because of Randolph. One can argue that the Mets should have clinched the division even earlier than they did. And then there is last year's embarrassement where in the end, the difference between a historic collapse that will never be forgotten for the rest of all of our lives and the post-season was just one game. Willie Randolph can't get fired soon enough.

metirish May 02 2008 05:08 PM

Hard for me to disagree with Marchman here , excellent article.

AG/DC May 02 2008 06:40 PM

I think we're declaring a lot of things without supporting them adequately. The most mismanaged Mets team in franchise history?

batmagadanleadoff May 02 2008 07:02 PM

AG/DC wrote: I think we're declaring a lot of things without supporting them adequately. The most mismanaged Mets team in franchise history? We? It's only my opinion and I respect your right to disagree with it, just as you can disagree with anyone else's opinions, including those that belong to persons far more knowledgeable than me. Although I don't know how far off from worst you'd improve the 2005 Mets. Again, I'm only talking tactics here. I wouldn't , for example, call Stengel's Mets tactically mismanaged; Casey was simply stuck with too many bad players. (Although he did bat McMillan second in his last season - an ineffective strategy that Westrum followed through to the end of '65).

metirish May 02 2008 07:21 PM

Yeah I should say I agree with the general theme of the article..

AG/DC May 02 2008 07:57 PM

batmagadanleadoff wrote: AG/DC wrote: I think we're declaring a lot of things without supporting them adequately. The most mismanaged Mets team in franchise history? We? It's only my opinion and I respect your right to disagree with it, just as you can disagree with anyone else's opinions, including those that belong to persons far more knowledgeable than me. I'm talking about that article also. Mostly actually. I'm not talking about rights.

AG/DC May 02 2008 08:25 PM

Oh, man, infield in with a three run lead in the second? Maybe this is the most mismanaged team.

batmagadanleadoff May 02 2008 08:57 PM

AG/DC wrote: I'm not talking about rights. Fine. So then you don't have the right to question my opinions. Have it your way.

AG/DC May 02 2008 09:01 PM

Don't be that way. I'm just trying to get these things supported.

batmagadanleadoff May 02 2008 09:04 PM

AG/DC wrote: Don't be that way. That was a joke. Obviously an ineffective one, but a joke nevertheless.

AG/DC May 02 2008 09:06 PM

Well, I'm clearly not impressed by Willie. Can anybody explain infield in, in Arizona, in the second inning, with a three-run lead?

G-Fafif May 13 2008 09:57 AM

Department of useless qualified predictions colored by frostbite and frustration from last night: June 10 vs Arizona sees a new Met manager (Manuel's my guess, followed by Oberkfell, dark horse is Jose Valentin). As mentioned upthread, I believe Willie gets May out of fairness and gets the Dodger series so as not to make Torre's return to NY extremely circuslike. That sends him on the West Coast trip. And then he gets it IF the Mets are a sub-.500 team by then and IF they slip let's say seven out of first. The record is a distinct possibility, the margin maybe not as much since it would take a hot streak by Philly or Atlanta to distance themselves from a floundering Mets team that much...or it would take the Marlins, three up at the moment, being for real. This season is beginning to feel very 1991ish.

Willets Point May 13 2008 10:29 AM

I think Willie is going to get a fired, hot and toasty sammich from Subway.

Mets Guy in Michigan May 13 2008 11:28 AM

Once the sharks start circling, they don't seem to swim away. And they're certainly starting to circle. The team would have to go on a massive tear and create a fat division lead for them to go away at this point. The danger with lopping him mid-season is that you're throwing someone right into the fire, and it's tough to pull someone away from another system -- unless it is from within you own -- in mid-season, so we'd get something like Jerry Manuel taking a looooong interim post through the end of the season. Unless you have a real firebrand who can turn things around ASAP, it's like you're waving the white flag on the season.

Benjamin Grimm May 23 2008 12:29 PM

Thought I'd bump this, since the vultures are circling. This surprised me: The thread had drifted all the way back to Page 4, and it had its last post only ten days ago. We've really been churning out the threads lately, haven't we?

metirish May 23 2008 12:41 PM

Fred and Jeff are acting like spurned lovers and not returning Willie's calls , instead letting Minaya act as the go between . I feel like I'm thirteen again.

batmagadanleadoff May 23 2008 09:59 PM

I posted this in the new managerial candidates thread, temporarily forgetting that this (more appropriate for my post) thread exists. I have one theory (among others) that Willie's already done and that the Wilpons just need the time to finalize whatever contingency needs to put in place to replace the manager. The Wilpons strike me as very conservative people that would be deeply bothered by the idea that Randolph might have played the race card, even more so than others. If the Wilpons believe that Willie did in fact play the race card, than that might've been the last straw, barring some miracle. Under this theory, he's done. It's official. But it hasn't been disclosed yet. Under this theory, Willie would need SteveJRogers' 20 out of 25 game run to wriggle out of this one -- only he'd need to get these 20 wins over this weekend because he no longer has 25 games to fix (t)his mess. Under this theory, Willie needs to win 20 out of the next four games to save his job.

metirish May 24 2008 07:41 AM

Minaya gave Willlie the dreaded vote of confidence last night.

Grote15 May 25 2008 06:55 PM

I'm one of the two May voters and my birthday is 5/31..Think Willie will be gone by then if not overnight..

Willets Point May 25 2008 07:21 PM

Randolph doesn't need to be fired. He just needs to get ejected from a game and return to the dugout in disguise.

batmagadanleadoff May 25 2008 10:05 PM

SI.com is reporting that Willie won't get fired tomorrow. ____________ Jon Heyman INSIDE BASEBALL Mets' Randolph safe ... for now Willie Randolph is set to meet with the Mets owners on Monday to decide the manager's fate. Mets manager Willie Randolph is not going to be enjoying himself at Monday's meeting with the team's top brass. He's not going to feel very comfortable at the confab. But he's not going to be fired, either. Not yet, he isn't. It isn't the Mets-owning Wilpons' habit to make a change this early in a manager's contract. Nor is their style to blow things up this early in the season. Randolph's contract runs through 2009. And his tenure will run at least another week, and perhaps longer than that, if he get can the team's fortunes turned around. No way Randolph gets the ax at this meeting. But that doesn't mean he should feel anything close to secure, either. The Wilpons are not thrilled with the foolhardy comments from Randolph that appeared a week ago today in the Record of Hackensack (N.J.), the ones where Randolph suggested that the team-owned SNY TV network was purposely painting him in an unflattering light. But the Wilpons especially aren't happy about the way the team has played early this season. And it is the team's play that will ultimately determine his fate. It isn't known whether Randolph will get the homestand, or longer, to prove he can turn the team around. But he will be given some time. It could be a week. It could be two weeks. Or it could be into July. That probably depends on how the team looks, and whether it's showing improvement. But the message will be clear at Monday's meeting: the improvement had better come sooner than later. The very first series back home after the Mets' discouraging 3-6 trip ended with a 4-1 defeat at Colorado on Sunday could be a pivotal one for Randolph. The first-place Marlins are in town starting Monday. And the Wilpons can't be pleased to be 5½ games behind that Florida team with a $20 million payroll. Which happens to be exactly one-seventh the Mets' $140 million payroll. While the Marlins are playing like they have nothing to lose, the Mets have been merely playing to lose in recent days. To club officials, the Mets appear to be pressing. And as we all know from last year's collapse, this isn't a group that plays well when it's pressing. While Randolph surely will have to explain what possessed him to blame SNY for any image problem he may have (fans and management both generally seem to view him as too laid back), the focus will be on the team on the field. From the start this spring, Fred and Jeff Wilpon made clear to every Met official how imperative it was that they get off to a strong start in the year after their epic collapse. And, as one club official put it, "We've done just about the opposite of that.'' The Wilpons committed the dollars and expect to contend. They can't be happy that the team is 23-25 and outplaying only Washington in the underwhelming NL East division. And they especially can't be pleased that the team has showed this little fire coming off its epic collapse from a year ago. Following that debacle and heading into a new ballpark, the Mets needed to start strong. That message will be sent again to Randolph in their meeting Monday, to the point where he knows the turnaround better start soon.

AG/DC May 25 2008 11:32 PM

Surprising to see Heyman stick his neck out on a hunch, but I kind of like the idea of Willie getting a reaming instead of a canning. On the other hand, that could serve to only weaken his profile with the players.

Benjamin Grimm May 26 2008 06:49 AM

SNY isn't televising the Randolph-Wilpon meeting, are they? That would be worth tuning in to!

Nymr83 May 26 2008 07:48 PM

After holding a meeting and saying willie won't be fired, I'd have to think it will be awhile before the ownership considers firing him again (even if they were actually considering at all.) He probably has until the all-star break, at least.

Elster88 May 26 2008 08:36 PM

Why hold a press conference announcing someone won't be fired? Is it just to to shut up the media? I guess it's a good thing to stand up for your employee.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 26 2008 08:39 PM

Every time this happens it demeans Willie more. I mean, are the Wilpons so upset over a few dumb comments in the paper to have put WWSB through all this? Geez, I wish for Willie's sake they'd just whack him now... you know it's coming.

batmagadanleadoff May 27 2008 08:51 AM

Front Page Willie:

metirish May 27 2008 10:39 AM

Embattled Seattle manager has this to say. "It's not a real good feeling knowing there's a target on our back," McLaren said Monday in a telephone interview. "I don't even read the computer anymore. Those blogs will eat you up, no matter what. "My God, we know we're better than this (18-33). But I don't make excuses. I accept it. I've always been a fighter, and I will keep on fighting." Funny that he should mention blogs , obviously he doesn't have a bunch of beat writers over there.

AG/DC May 27 2008 10:44 AM

I dunno. They might have Japanese media in the regular corps, as well as Seattle and Tacoma outlets.

metirish May 27 2008 10:49 AM

AG/DC wrote: I dunno. They might have Japanese media in the regular corps, as well as Seattle and Tacoma outlets. Yeah I forgot about the Japanese media.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 08 2008 08:01 AM

Is it almost time to crank up the deathwatch again?

Elster88 Jun 08 2008 08:02 AM

I don't feel it's his fault that the starting lineup on Friday featured Easley, Tatis, Schneider, Chavez. But it is his fault that Cancel saw action. I'm stumped at this point.

seawolf17 Jun 08 2008 12:12 PM

I didn't realize that I'd ever turned off the deathwatch.

bmfc1 Jun 08 2008 05:25 PM

Not a minute too soon.

Zvon Jun 08 2008 05:34 PM

June 16th if the Mets are over 6 games out at that time

Benjamin Grimm Jun 08 2008 05:37 PM

I know Willie's not entirely to blame for all this, but I'd like to see a new manager in place by Tuesday's game, just so we can get on with our lives. Name Oberkfell as an interim manager, and let him audition for the 2009 job.

d'Kong76 Jun 08 2008 05:40 PM

Just do it tomorrow. Half of us want it. Half of us expect it. The other half of us will come around when it goes down.

Grote15 Jun 08 2008 05:51 PM

KC wrote: Just do it tomorrow. Half of us want it. Half of us expect it. The other half of us will come around when it goes down. 100% percent agree..I'd can Omar also but the Wilpons are weak in my opinion sitting on a potential white elephant sucking uptheir real estate cash.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 08 2008 07:50 PM

7-7 since the vote of CAHNfidence

metirish Jun 08 2008 07:55 PM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: 7-7 since the vote of CAHNfidence A .500 team if ever there was one.

Frayed Knot Jun 08 2008 08:09 PM

KC wrote: Half of us want it. Half of us expect it. The other half of us will come around when it goes down. It's that third half that's usually the critical swing vote. In fact, Hillary still thinks they're gonna come around to her side before the convention settles things.

d'Kong76 Jun 09 2008 04:28 AM

Maybe Willie should just suspend his managerial campaign and hope against hope that the things change in the National League East.

seawolf17 Jun 09 2008 07:08 AM

Old skool avatar, Kase! Love it.

themetfairy Jun 09 2008 08:16 AM

My kids always loved that avatar also.

G-Fafif Jun 17 2008 06:40 AM

It was June.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 17 2008 07:03 AM

I win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Benjamin Grimm Jun 17 2008 08:25 AM

Me too!

Zvon Jun 22 2008 04:29 PM

Zvon wrote: June 16th if the Mets are over 6 games out at that time I hate to blow my own horn but WOOT^ there it was. Your all trumped. Forgive me for bringing this to the forefront but I just had to. Now Ill tie a rock to the thread and let it sink to the darkest fathoms of the deep.